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Hey King ! Can you do a video of diplomacy of Byzantine and ottomans? I was the one who requested from you to make a video for Chandax modern day Heraklion Crete
I'm from Bulgaria, the valley of the Thracian rulers, and I'm impressed with how many details you got right. Fun fact: the capital of Seuthes III, named Seuthopolis, is submerged under the Koprinka dam. It was attacked and burned by the Celts. The treasures left by the Thracians are incredible. Some of the most notable include: Valchitran Treasure: This treasure consists of gold and weighs about 12.5 kg. The most impressive fact is that it dates back to around 1300 BC. Having so much gold back then is truly spectacular. Rogozen Treasure: Weighing about 20 kg, this treasure includes incredibly beautiful silver items, some with gold plating, dating to around 400 BC. Panagiurishte Treasure: This is definitely the most beautiful and spectacular Thracian treasure. It consists of about 6 kg of 24-karat gold and dates to around 300-400 BC. Seeing it in person is incredible; I've visited many museums around the world, but this treasure is something different.
@@everettduncan7543 I'd reckon it was perhaps related to Dacian as well, about which we know equally little despite what some Romanian historians would like to claim. As for Proto-Albanian, I like to think it was a mixed Illyro-Thracian language, or perhaps Illyrian with a Thracian and later Latin adstratum to it.
@@nikolakorbuc3286 For what it's worth, an Illyrian tribe called the Albanoi by the Greeks was present in the territory of modern Albania, and the Messapic language, a known descendant or dialect of Illyrian, looks an awful lot like Albanian. Interestingly, Dacia like Thrace did come to follow Zalmoxism, suggesting their languages were related. Known Dacian words include botanical terms, none of which were borrowed into Romanian
@@westsidermetalhead4997 The communists in this occasion, the capitalists in others. It's just human greed. A short list of sad examples: - During the last decades soldiers from UN mission at Western Sahara have destroyed prehistoric remains of local cultures. - The government of Egypt did the same than the Bulgarian government when they built the Aswan damn on the Nile more than half a century ago. As the Egyptians requested technical assistance from other countries, they paid back with some of the ancient buildings about to be covered by the new artificial lake. That's the reason to have ancient Egyptian temples at New York, Madrid, Leiden and Turin. But these were just a few of the buildings. Another temples, forts and cemeteries are now under the water of lake Nasser. - The first Neanderthal fossils were discovered just by chance when some workers were digging out many tons of earth to extract some mineral. Do you know how many times mining companies, builders and farmers have destroyed prehistoric and historic sites all over the world? - And, of course, remember all the ancient objects, including writings, that were destroyed by the Christians in Europe, Africa, Asia and even America since the Roman emperors decided to use Christianity as a political tool until the US invaded Iraq, when some Sumerian records were stolen at Baghdad by burglars contracted by US religious extremists that wanted some original stories banished. Stories that are several millennia earlier than the book of Genesis, which repeats that same stories, adapted from the rich Sumerian urban polytheistic culture to the not so brilliant people living during king Solomon's time in his lands.
Not sure how mach there is to tell about the Dacians, since the Romans ceased them off existence in such a stunning and effective way, though depressing!
@@ΑλέξανδροςΠαρθένης-φ2μ Wrong mate, only few of more 50 tribes of dacians were subdue ( with tracians and getae is more 200 tribes with average army of 2-5000 warriors of each tribe ,bigest ones number over 10 000.fighters)
The Geto-Dacian chieftain Dromichaetes (or Dromihete) is a semi-legendary character of ancient history. Attested in ancient sources, he is considered by historians to be a warrior king and a brilliant diplomat who led a powerful union of tribes north of the Danube and who managed to defeat the king of Macedonia, a superpower of the ancient world. He also ruled south of the Danube where his tomb is located. The Getae and the Dacians, the Romanian ancestors, were the most numerous of the great family of the European Thracians. over 100 tribes with different names but the same language and customs.
Thrace is the most underrated tribal and geographic region of antiquity. What do you get when you combine Hellenic, Balkan, and Dacian intermingling? The fact Alexander the Great wouldn’t invade Lydia/Asia Minor without some in his army shows just how valuable they were.
Especially if one imagines that on a whole the Bulgarian civilizations are older that those of Egypt and Sumer. Thank you for the appreciation. I am joking. People ,it is 21 C , you can do better than that !
Finally the Thracians! Did you know? That the Eastern Roman emperor Justinian the Great and his general Flavius Belisarius were probably of Thracian origins!
In fact if you look at the magisters militum and generals it seems to have been a time where Thracians made up a large part of the army and prominent in court (promoting their own companions). Much like Germans were in the west (and Illyrians earlier), but a lot less talked about. Looking at the story of the rise of Justin I (like Leo he's also known as the Thracian) we can postulate that the region of Thrace/Dacia/Moesia/Dardania fell on hard times because of raiding by ostrogoths and huns and this poverty pushed the citizens to the capital to seek their fortune, where they found themselves suited to imperial bodyguard and military roles. This is also the last group of emperors that spoke Latin day to day instead of Greek, because those provinces were Latin speaking Maybe it's covered in the video, I haven't watched yet
I feel like I hear about the Thracians in about every video regarding Roman and Greek history, but hardly ever any details of their culture.... until now! Thanks @KingsAndGenerals
I would encourage you to make a video about the Dacians. They left a deep mark on the Roman Empire... They were the only ones that had an entire forum built to celebrate the roman victory over them (during Trajan).
They were pretty much exterminated by the Romans . Their religion disappeared in the conquered territories - so the males where wiped out, province being heavily colonised The "free" ones where defeated definitively by Constantine, and the remaining individuals where moved in Pannonia in 318 - their culture completely disappeared after that date . End of their short history - sec 1 BC- sec 4 AD .
The two roman towns fortrests to selebrate the "victory" over dacians were build Nord from Danube river - Nicopolis ad Istrum and Nicopolis ad Neztum..so???
Man, one of my favorite topics of history. Thank you so much for putting this out! When I was a kid I remember always being so curious about what was going on in all the regions while the teacher and textbooks would only follow one cultures journey through time
Hey guys, I am Bulgarian and I've been looking for a video like this for a very long time, thanks so much for making it and it was super informative and unbiased. Having a look at the bibliography - there are definitely a lot of sources to go on and read about. Keep smashing it!
@GrimKnight12 The Greeks and the Turks (who are living in the territory of Turkey) are mixed - non homogeneous. The bulgarian genes are so homogeneous that you can say bulgarian are cousins to eachouther. It takes some thousands of years a nation to be so homogeneous.
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@@opushead the bulgarians are as mixed as everybody else in the area. They are a mix of the people who were living there when the Turkics Bulgars conquered the place. DacoThracians , Greeks , Romans, Bulgars , Ottoman Turks , Gypsies and of course Slavs. There is nothing homogeneus whatsoever. Bulgarians , Greeks and Anatolian Turks are propably the most mixed people in the European continent.
@@SA2004YGit is, just search up any random Illyrian tribe or peoples and you will find under the name that the Albanian language is always compared with the name.
@@SA2004YGapart from the language (those few words that we know today are explained through albanian) the dna proves it. Just check the latest studies on the dna and you have the prove
@@SA2004YGthe name Albania itself derives from the Illyrian tribe of Albanoi, which were mentioned by Ptolemy in the 2nd century AD, along with their central settlement Albanopolis.
idea : the history of the achaemenid empire from it's foundation, the events before and after the greek persian wars, the conquest of egypt, the delian league's campaigns into it, and the it's final days before its conquest by alexander the great.
I've been a regular viewer of the channel since the Skanderbeg video in 2018. Your videos never fail to amaze me. Thank you for the great content! P.S.: Hopefully Illyrians next. 😁
@@vasarelly37 By “Daco-Roman”, I mean a Romanized Dacian. Same as there were Romanized Gauls, Thracians, Iberians, etc. Licinus and Galerius aren’t the only examples either. Aureolus and the usurper Regelianus are other examples of this type. Beyond that, idek the point of your comment. I’m not pushing some Romanian-Dacian historical continuity, which you seem extremely concerned about for some reason given your other comments. *edit: after seeing your name it all makes sense lmao.
I live in Bulgaria... Bang in its centre! A part of the country that people still call Trakia... There are several thracian tombs not far from where i am. I should go visit them soon!
Thank you for this! Often, when listening to ancient history content, I see Thrace and hear it mentioned, but I haven't really known much about it beyond the name and general cultural area. Have you guys done an episode on the Lydians? God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
So many fascinating cultures that are overshadowed by the more dominant ones. Really glad to see this video and more about the lesser known peoples of the ancient world.
Stoked! My fave ancient peoples. Hardly anybody does work on the Thracians. Actually anything north of Greece and East of Illyria in the Classical period seem to be an academic Bermuda Triangle of sorts. High 5! Cheers.
On the contrary there are many Bulgarian historians and archeologists, who specialize in Thracology. We owe to them the discoveries and the studies and much of the information that was in this video.
@@Ntopios😀There we go. Thracians were THRACIANS. You really need to stop trying to put a Greek label on everything that happened in the area. Of course, they had a lot of Greek and later Roman influence to the point where they were integrated into the Roman population. Yet, you can not erase these people's unique identity and culture, simply because they were assimilated in the later stages of the Roman empire.
Didn't expect to hear "high frequency trade" in an ancient-culture video essay. I guess, as a wise man said, everything is relative. Ty for the excellent content to everyone involved.
A number of Roman Emperors and Emperors of Byzantium of the 2nd-9th century (193 - 867) were of Thracian ethnic descent: 1. Septimius Severus Thracian (193 - 211) - disputed 2. Geta Thracian (February 211 - December 211) - disputed 3. Caracalla Thracian (211 - 217) - disputed 4. Maximinus Thrax (235-238), 5. Aurelius Thracian, also known as Claudius II (268-270), 6. Aurelian Thracian (270 - 275) 7. Constantius I Thracian Chlorus (305-306) 8. Galerius Thracian (305-311) 9. Konstantin I Thracian the Great (306-337) 10. Licinius Thracian (308 - 324) 11. Maximin Daza Thracian (308/310-313) 12. Constantius II Thracian (337-361) 13. Julian Thracian (361-363) 14. Jovian Thracian (363-364) 15. Marcian Thracian (450-457) 16. Leo I Thracian (457-474) 17. Leo II Thracian (474) 18. Justin I Thracian (518-527) 19. Justinian I Thracian the Great (527-565) 20. Justin II Thracian (565-578) 21. Tiberius II Constantine Thracian (578-582) 22. Michael II Thracian* (820 - 829); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia 23. Theophil Thracian* (829 - 842); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia 24. Michael III Thracian* (842 - 867); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia
you lost your mind ! All of them Dardania ,Illyria Thracians Refused to join Illyrians against Roman invaders then Thracians mixed with Slavs and today thracians speak Slavic
This video is 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 watching the Spartwcus series, so now Im here! The thracians are very fascinating. I wish the thracians wrote more about themselves. The dacians, too. I find them mysterious as well. 😢
The location of the Thracian mounds in many places in Bulgaria are an exact copy of the starry sky, with the size of each corresponding to the brightness of the star it depicts.
I would encourage you to make a video about the Dacians. They left a deep mark on the Roman Empire... They were the only ones that had an entire forum built to celebrate the roman victory over them (during Trajan).
@@georgechristman6920 they cant be all "greeks" there was , Mycenaean Greeks, there was illyrians , there was Thracians , there was Dacians ! you guys always think that Ballkan was only Greeks and only greeks fought each other common man we are talking based on Facts , based on Greek philosophers writings and pls pls go and do your Haplo DNA test its cheap these days
Two serious mistakes guys. Xerxes was not at the battle of Marathon. Datis, Hippias and Artaphernes was the Persian generals at Marathon. Xerxes wasn't even king, his father Darius was. And Mardonios was killed at the battle of Platea in 479 BCE. Xerxes then king left with approx half the army and did retreat through Thace in 480 BCE. Also why pronounce Herakles and then show the spelling "Hercules"?
Where did they do that ? I'm not an Albanian, but they might be older in the area than the Thracians , which are considered Indo-Europeans (genetically speaking) .
@@seaman5705 All the time. The albanian thing is somewhat complicated. That’s why it is “maybe” since there aren’t many sources. Austria-hungary is mainly responsible for creating the albanian nation to have an enemy against the serbs. Before the 1900’s the albanians barely knew who they even are. You’ll have to investigate a bit.
@@timurbayram1274 Yeah I think he means a video solely on them as opposed to being a short mention here and there. The same way Thracians were covered in various Alexander videos but never had their own video about them.
Empire of Byzantium (330-1204) Founder: Konstantin I Thracian the Great * 1st Thracian Imperial dynasty of Byzantium (330-364): Konstantin I Thracian the Great (330-337) Constantius II Thracian (337-361) Julian Thracian (361-363) Jovian Thracian (363-364) * 2nd Thracian Imperial dynasty of Byzantium (450-474): Marcian Thracian (450-457) Leo I Thracian (457-474) Leo II Thracian (474) * 3rd Thracian Imperial dynasty of Byzantium (518-582): Justin I Thracian (518-527) Justinian I Thracian the Great (527-565) Justin II Thracian (565-578) Tiberius II Constantine Thracian (578-582) * 4th Thracian (Thracian-Phrygian) Imperial dynasty of Byzantium (820-867): Michael II Thracian* (820 - 829); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia Theophil Thracian* (829 - 842); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia Michael III Thracian* (842 - 867); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia
The official mtDNA data about taken DNA samples from "Bulgarians", "Proto-Bulgarians", "Thracians": a) 13 "Proto-Bulgarian" mtDNA haplogroups, 8-10 centuries, Silistra region (Nozharevo necropolis), Shumen region (Mostich monastery), Satovcha region (Tukhovishte necropolis); Nesheva 2015, p. 18: H1t1a1, U3, J, H1r1, J1b1a1, HV1, T2, H2a2a1, H13a2c, H5, H2a2a1, T, H1a2 b) 25 Thracian mtDNA haplogroups, 2nd-3rd millennium BC, Sliven region (Shekerdzha + Gabrova mogilas/mounds), Starozagorska region (Bereket mogila/mound); Nesheva 2019, table 2: - Table 2 Sequencing and mapping summary. J1c, U5a1a2b, HV1a'b'c, K1c1, U5b2a1a1, N1b1a1, H3ak, H5a1a, H7a1a, H7, U4c2a, T2b, I2, J1c9, N1, T2e2a, HV0, K1c1, K1c1, T2b, J1c6, K1c1, H5b, H76a, H4a1 The leading geneticist Desislava Nesheva, gives details in an interview from 2018: "the Thracian samples are from the 3rd millennium BC, we even had 2-3 samples that we further dated with carbon 14, which we found to be from the 5th millennium BC. The Proto-Bulgarian samples are from the 8th-10th century." / in Tabl. 2 of her 2019 Nature publication, the 5th millennium probes were not published, included / c) 2018 Iain Mathieson, "The genomic history of Southeastern Europe", DNA from 204 individuals from Southeastern Europe, from which I tabulated more than 44 mtDNA samples, for comparison with others. (*I can not attach a screenshot or link here) d) In the official study led by Sena Karachanak-Yankova from 2013, on page 75, where the mtDNA haplogroups of 855 tested present-day Bulgarians are presented in a table, almost all the mtDNAs described for the Thracians above are present: J1c at 49 out of 855 Bulgarians U5a1a2b branch no, but U5a is in 37 out of 855 Bulgarians HV1a'b'c branch no, but HV1 is at 2 of 855 Bulgarians K1c1 branch no, but K1 is in 45 out of 855 Bulgarians U5b2a1a1 branch no, but U5b is at 20 of 855 Bulgarians N1b1a1 branch no, but N1b1 is in 6 out of 855 Bulgarians H3ak branch no, but H3 is in 8 out of 855 Bulgarians H5a1a and H5b branches no, but H5 is present in 29 out of 855 Bulgarians U4c2a branch no, but U4 is in 33 out of 855 Bulgarians T2b branch no, but T2 is in 54 out of 855 Bulgarians I2 branch no, but I is in 10 out of 855 Bulgarians J1c6 and J1c9 branches no, but J1c is in 49 out of 855 Bulgarians N1 is at 22 out of 855 Bulgarians T2e2a branch no, but T2 is in 54 out of 855 Bulgarians HV0 is at 32 out of 855 Bulgarians Conclusion: The "Proto-Bulgarian" samples are half the number of the Thracian ones and about 4 times less than those chosen from Mathieson, and yet: 1). 4 "proto-Bulgarians" are totally identical to 9 Thracians. 👍 2). 11 out of 13 "proto-Bulgarians" are identical to 35 of Mathieson's samples from the Balkans (17 Bulgaria + 1 Macedonia + 6 Greece + 3 Serbia + 4 Croatia) + 3 Romania + 1 Germany, out of more than 44 mtDNA samples. 👍 3). If the samples from the early medieval Bulgarians and the ancient Thracians had been more numerous, even more haplogroups and, accordingly, even more matches would have been found, but even from the small, meager number that the geneticists have presented, it can be seen that the "proto-Bulgarians" in the female line are originating from this region (Balkans) and are identical to the Thracians, only that these specific details are spared from the media appearances, but are available in the scientific publications themselves. 👍 4). However, it can be seen that with the meager number of 13 people, 4 of them match 9 Thracians from D. Nesheva's own samples + even more matches between Bulgarians 8-10c. and the ancient Mathieson samples + even more matches between the 855 present-day Bulgarians from 2013 with all 25 Thracian samples, which is completely indicative that we are the same people, from a different time range. 👍🙂
The Pomaks are not a separate ethnic group, they're just muslim Bulgarians. Some of them identify as Turks due to their religion and religious customs.
@@ireofdesire7269 we have Pomaks in Greece too. They are local people who adopted the islamic religion and as a result they have intermixed a lot with the Turks.
I wouldn’t call Thrace “where east meets west”. Asia Minor is more like that believe. When you consider that place replaced multiple times by eastern and western civilizations throughout history, thus resembles cultural features from both worlds. Perhaps you thought that’s the case in some time period in history for Thrace and stated that in the context of that period, I’m not sure.
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@KingsandGenerals how do you make your maps? The one in the recent Caesar video seems really well made.
@@Autconscipatheonive Photoshop and After Effects
@@KingsandGenerals What do you think about making a video about the tocharian people?
Hey King ! Can you do a video of diplomacy of Byzantine and ottomans?
I was the one who requested from you to make a video for Chandax modern day Heraklion Crete
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I'm from Bulgaria, the valley of the Thracian rulers, and I'm impressed with how many details you got right. Fun fact: the capital of Seuthes III, named Seuthopolis, is submerged under the Koprinka dam. It was attacked and burned by the Celts.
The treasures left by the Thracians are incredible. Some of the most notable include:
Valchitran Treasure: This treasure consists of gold and weighs about 12.5 kg. The most impressive fact is that it dates back to around 1300 BC. Having so much gold back then is truly spectacular.
Rogozen Treasure: Weighing about 20 kg, this treasure includes incredibly beautiful silver items, some with gold plating, dating to around 400 BC.
Panagiurishte Treasure: This is definitely the most beautiful and spectacular Thracian treasure. It consists of about 6 kg of 24-karat gold and dates to around 300-400 BC. Seeing it in person is incredible; I've visited many museums around the world, but this treasure is something different.
Unfortunately their language is almost unknown, but is thought to have been related to Albanian
@@everettduncan7543 I'd reckon it was perhaps related to Dacian as well, about which we know equally little despite what some Romanian historians would like to claim. As for Proto-Albanian, I like to think it was a mixed Illyro-Thracian language, or perhaps Illyrian with a Thracian and later Latin adstratum to it.
@@sramanakarya The communists, it's always the communists. Didn't knew this but not surprised.
@@nikolakorbuc3286 For what it's worth, an Illyrian tribe called the Albanoi by the Greeks was present in the territory of modern Albania, and the Messapic language, a known descendant or dialect of Illyrian, looks an awful lot like Albanian. Interestingly, Dacia like Thrace did come to follow Zalmoxism, suggesting their languages were related. Known Dacian words include botanical terms, none of which were borrowed into Romanian
@@westsidermetalhead4997 The communists in this occasion, the capitalists in others. It's just human greed.
A short list of sad examples:
- During the last decades soldiers from UN mission at Western Sahara have destroyed prehistoric remains of local cultures.
- The government of Egypt did the same than the Bulgarian government when they built the Aswan damn on the Nile more than half a century ago. As the Egyptians requested technical assistance from other countries, they paid back with some of the ancient buildings about to be covered by the new artificial lake. That's the reason to have ancient Egyptian temples at New York, Madrid, Leiden and Turin. But these were just a few of the buildings. Another temples, forts and cemeteries are now under the water of lake Nasser.
- The first Neanderthal fossils were discovered just by chance when some workers were digging out many tons of earth to extract some mineral. Do you know how many times mining companies, builders and farmers have destroyed prehistoric and historic sites all over the world?
- And, of course, remember all the ancient objects, including writings, that were destroyed by the Christians in Europe, Africa, Asia and even America since the Roman emperors decided to use Christianity as a political tool until the US invaded Iraq, when some Sumerian records were stolen at Baghdad by burglars contracted by US religious extremists that wanted some original stories banished. Stories that are several millennia earlier than the book of Genesis, which repeats that same stories, adapted from the rich Sumerian urban polytheistic culture to the not so brilliant people living during king Solomon's time in his lands.
All we need now is a video on the dacians.
Not sure how mach there is to tell about the Dacians, since the Romans ceased them off existence in such a stunning and effective way, though depressing!
@@ΑλέξανδροςΠαρθένης-φ2μ We go with what we have.
@@ΑλέξανδροςΠαρθένης-φ2μ Wrong mate, only few of more 50 tribes of dacians were subdue ( with tracians and getae is more 200 tribes with average army of 2-5000 warriors of each tribe ,bigest ones number over 10 000.fighters)
I can picture the comments from insane romanians now...
@@MrDomitian source?
I never actually knew how much I wanted to learn more about Thrace. You guys are the best. You’re in my top 3 history RUclips channels
Hi, mind sharing the other 2 channels?
@@harithmustaqim7758 of course, it’s historia militum and Epic History
Invicta!
And historymarche is good too
Bazbattles too
“Does your horses kick?” - Greek traveller.
“No, but they bite when hungry…”. - King Diomedes of Thracia.
GRECE ETHIOPIA 🇪🇹
The horses were domesticated in the Rodolphe's, Bulgaria the DNA tests said. The Greeks did not know what are these.
Drohimete was a Getae-Dacian king who ruled on both banks of the Danube. In Dacia and south of the Danube.
The Geto-Dacian chieftain Dromichaetes (or Dromihete) is a semi-legendary character of ancient history. Attested in ancient sources, he is considered by historians to be a warrior king and a brilliant diplomat who led a powerful union of tribes north of the Danube and who managed to defeat the king of Macedonia, a superpower of the ancient world. He also ruled south of the Danube where his tomb is located. The Getae and the Dacians, the Romanian ancestors, were the most numerous of the great family of the European Thracians. over 100 tribes with different names but the same language and customs.
Thrace is the most underrated tribal and geographic region of antiquity.
What do you get when you combine Hellenic, Balkan, and Dacian intermingling?
The fact Alexander the Great wouldn’t invade Lydia/Asia Minor without some in his army shows just how valuable they were.
Dacians were Thaciians themselves
Wtf is "Balkan"? Second sentence makes no sense lol
Especially if one imagines that on a whole the Bulgarian civilizations are older that those of Egypt and Sumer. Thank you for the appreciation. I am joking. People ,it is 21 C , you can do better than that !
Finally the Thracians! Did you know? That the Eastern Roman emperor Justinian the Great and his general Flavius Belisarius were probably of Thracian origins!
Half Thracians. They also probably be half Illyrian.
In fact if you look at the magisters militum and generals it seems to have been a time where Thracians made up a large part of the army and prominent in court (promoting their own companions). Much like Germans were in the west (and Illyrians earlier), but a lot less talked about. Looking at the story of the rise of Justin I (like Leo he's also known as the Thracian) we can postulate that the region of Thrace/Dacia/Moesia/Dardania fell on hard times because of raiding by ostrogoths and huns and this poverty pushed the citizens to the capital to seek their fortune, where they found themselves suited to imperial bodyguard and military roles. This is also the last group of emperors that spoke Latin day to day instead of Greek, because those provinces were Latin speaking
Maybe it's covered in the video, I haven't watched yet
Probably doesn't make certainly. His parents could be of any ethnic origin residing in those areas. Unless you have proof.
they were illyrian
@@ERMALARAPIYour proof being ...?
I feel like I hear about the Thracians in about every video regarding Roman and Greek history, but hardly ever any details of their culture.... until now! Thanks @KingsAndGenerals
Same.
Not once, not twice but Thrace.
Nope
Yes, Mr. Burns
@@KingsandGeneralsyes, dude.
XD
I laughed way too hard at this.
I would encourage you to make a video about the Dacians. They left a deep mark on the Roman Empire... They were the only ones that had an entire forum built to celebrate the roman victory over them (during Trajan).
They were pretty much exterminated by the Romans . Their religion disappeared in the conquered territories - so the males where wiped out, province being heavily colonised The "free" ones where defeated definitively by Constantine, and the remaining individuals where moved in Pannonia in 318 - their culture completely disappeared after that date . End of their short history - sec 1 BC- sec 4 AD .
@@seaman5705 vai vai sorine, djuvara te-a convins cu ale lui prostii
@@seaman5705 Yep, they are way too much romanticized nowdays.
The two roman towns fortrests to selebrate the "victory" over dacians were build Nord from Danube river - Nicopolis ad Istrum and Nicopolis ad Neztum..so???
@@luben3045 Isn't Nicopolis south of Danube ?
Man, one of my favorite topics of history. Thank you so much for putting this out! When I was a kid I remember always being so curious about what was going on in all the regions while the teacher and textbooks would only follow one cultures journey through time
Hey guys, I am Bulgarian and I've been looking for a video like this for a very long time, thanks so much for making it and it was super informative and unbiased.
Having a look at the bibliography - there are definitely a lot of sources to go on and read about.
Keep smashing it!
Bulgarians are mixed with native balkan people as other south slavs...they are Thracian as any other balkan nation..
@GrimKnight12 The Greeks and the Turks (who are living in the territory of Turkey) are mixed - non homogeneous. The bulgarian genes are so homogeneous that you can say bulgarian are cousins to eachouther. It takes some thousands of years a nation to be so homogeneous.
Следи Sparotok. Тонове информация предоставя за така наречените траки. Има канал в YT, а също и блог в интернет, с архив събиран повече от 10 години. Това тук са баналните wikipedia тъпотии, които всеки гъркоман блещи.
@@opushead the bulgarians are as mixed as everybody else in the area. They are a mix of the people who were living there when the Turkics Bulgars conquered the place. DacoThracians , Greeks , Romans, Bulgars , Ottoman Turks , Gypsies and of course Slavs. There is nothing homogeneus whatsoever. Bulgarians , Greeks and Anatolian Turks are propably the most mixed people in the European continent.
@@vonzuchter😊😅😂 BS
NOOO I just finished my dissertation on the Thracians and now you decide to release this. Can't wait to watch guys
It's OK. You probably couldn't have cited a RUclips video as a source on your dissertation anyway. 😅
Tell me one thracian word.
The art in this episode is outstanding! Thanks for continuing to present us with top notch content.
Thanks!
A video like this on the Illyrians would be awesome too
I just want to know if they're really related to the Albanians
@@SA2004YGit is, just search up any random Illyrian tribe or peoples and you will find under the name that the Albanian language is always compared with the name.
@@SA2004YGapart from the language (those few words that we know today are explained through albanian) the dna proves it. Just check the latest studies on the dna and you have the prove
@@SA2004YGthe name Albania itself derives from the Illyrian tribe of Albanoi, which were mentioned by Ptolemy in the 2nd century AD, along with their central settlement Albanopolis.
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and you would believe the upload?
DNA Haplo group proves it
not an RUclips upload
Finally 🎉 was expecting the Thracians since a long time
A bright light on the history of the mysterious Thracians, thank you very much!!
It is widely accepted that Dionysus was originally a Thracian god that got merged into Greek
Of course!!!
Love these videos on lesser talked about ancient civilizations
Thank you!!! So few videos about the Thracians on RUclips, hope you do more!
just finished it! Amazing as always!
Nice timing after the newest archeological findings about Plqto and his opinion on the thracians
idea : the history of the achaemenid empire from it's foundation, the events before and after the greek persian wars, the conquest of egypt, the delian league's campaigns into it, and the it's final days before its conquest by alexander the great.
seconded
Sounds like a whole series. Should be cool!
Love these videos on ancient peripheral civilizations that were overshadowed by thier well known contemporaries
Thank you for shining a light on one of the most fascinating European groups.
*You guys should do a part 2 to this explaining about the Bulgars and ending after Bulgaria gained independence from the Ottomans.*
Great vid! Love hearing about some of the lesser-known states and peoples of antiquity!
I've been a regular viewer of the channel since the Skanderbeg video in 2018. Your videos never fail to amaze me. Thank you for the great content!
P.S.: Hopefully Illyrians next. 😁
Thanks
part of my family is from northern romania thank you for making this
Licinus was a Daco-Roman and Galerius had a Thracian father and Dacian mother.
It has never existed such thing like Daco-Roman. This term is invented in the XIX-century by 4 Romanian scholars.
@@vasarelly37 By “Daco-Roman”, I mean a Romanized Dacian. Same as there were Romanized Gauls, Thracians, Iberians, etc. Licinus and Galerius aren’t the only examples either. Aureolus and the usurper Regelianus are other examples of this type. Beyond that, idek the point of your comment. I’m not pushing some Romanian-Dacian historical continuity, which you seem extremely concerned about for some reason given your other comments. *edit: after seeing your name it all makes sense lmao.
Great video, I'd love to see one on Dacians !
Thracians made for good gladiators and good rebels.
Spartacus among them
Also, good Roman Emperors. Thrace produced more Roman Emperors than Italy.
And very good warriors to! The problem was that they fought each other all the time!
I hope you do a video on Elam some day! It seems so interesting but it's incredibly hard for me to find much on it
Can you do a video on the Illyrians and a video on the Greco-Persian kingdom of commagene and its priest kings
working on the first one. second one is much more difficult, we'll see
Nice. The only thing I know about Commagene is this epic stone relief where the king is shaking hands with gigachad Herakles himself
The blu snek people from Rome Total War
PLEASE, a video about the tocharian people and the oasis state!!!!! Thanks you!!!
I live in Bulgaria... Bang in its centre! A part of the country that people still call Trakia... There are several thracian tombs not far from where i am. I should go visit them soon!
thx always for make videos for us ! love this way to teach history ! for many many more vids !!
Thanks for covering my favorite people of antiquity.
I love your videos that cover a historic people group. The Thracians were awesome!
Thank you for this! Often, when listening to ancient history content, I see Thrace and hear it mentioned, but I haven't really known much about it beyond the name and general cultural area. Have you guys done an episode on the Lydians?
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
So many fascinating cultures that are overshadowed by the more dominant ones. Really glad to see this video and more about the lesser known peoples of the ancient world.
Awesome! Love you are doing the people that part of tapestry of the ancient world but were not the most talked about. Keep it up!
Stoked! My fave ancient peoples. Hardly anybody does work on the Thracians. Actually anything north of Greece and East of Illyria in the Classical period seem to be an academic Bermuda Triangle of sorts. High 5! Cheers.
On the contrary there are many Bulgarian historians and archeologists, who specialize in Thracology. We owe to them the discoveries and the studies and much of the information that was in this video.
Excellent video on a topic that doesn't get nearly enough attention! Thanks!
Awesome 2 see a video about thrace such a interesting group in history
The historical content is so good and meaningful, please continue to promote your creativity to have more quality content
Thank you for another good video
Always excited to see a new video on Thrace.
Dude i love these people group/cultural videos
Fantastic stuff
Great video, lots of respect from Greek Thracian region of Evros
I am sure Greeks in the comment section will do their best to prove you wrong about Thracians. I am tired of explaining they were not Greek...
And what were they? Americans?
@@Ntopios😀There we go. Thracians were THRACIANS. You really need to stop trying to put a Greek label on everything that happened in the area. Of course, they had a lot of Greek and later Roman influence to the point where they were integrated into the Roman population. Yet, you can not erase these people's unique identity and culture, simply because they were assimilated in the later stages of the Roman empire.
i have literally never seen a greek claim the thracians as greeks.I guess you bulgarians like projection.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@NtopiosThey were a different indo-european group of people not related to neither Slavs or Hellenes but another old paleo-balkanic people.
Great video, now we need one on the Dacians please! :D
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Didn't expect to hear "high frequency trade" in an ancient-culture video essay. I guess, as a wise man said, everything is relative. Ty for the excellent content to everyone involved.
Thracian treasures deserve a video themselves.
When ever I watch one of your classical era or early/mid-medieval era, it puts me in the mood to play one of the many Total War games
Dacians next please
Amazing and well narrated video guys. Thanks so much for producing such amazing information
I always wondered where Spartacus was from
I can’t get enough of these… keep em coming!
A number of Roman Emperors and Emperors of Byzantium of the 2nd-9th century (193 - 867) were of Thracian ethnic descent:
1. Septimius Severus Thracian (193 - 211) - disputed
2. Geta Thracian (February 211 - December 211) - disputed
3. Caracalla Thracian (211 - 217) - disputed
4. Maximinus Thrax (235-238),
5. Aurelius Thracian, also known as Claudius II (268-270),
6. Aurelian Thracian (270 - 275)
7. Constantius I Thracian Chlorus (305-306)
8. Galerius Thracian (305-311)
9. Konstantin I Thracian the Great (306-337)
10. Licinius Thracian (308 - 324)
11. Maximin Daza Thracian (308/310-313)
12. Constantius II Thracian (337-361)
13. Julian Thracian (361-363)
14. Jovian Thracian (363-364)
15. Marcian Thracian (450-457)
16. Leo I Thracian (457-474)
17. Leo II Thracian (474)
18. Justin I Thracian (518-527)
19. Justinian I Thracian the Great (527-565)
20. Justin II Thracian (565-578)
21. Tiberius II Constantine Thracian (578-582)
22. Michael II Thracian* (820 - 829); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia
23. Theophil Thracian* (829 - 842); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia
24. Michael III Thracian* (842 - 867); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia
All of them born Daranians😊
Half of them illyrians (Dardani tribe)
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you lost your mind !
All of them Dardania ,Illyria
Thracians Refused to join
Illyrians against Roman invaders
then Thracians mixed with Slavs
and today thracians speak Slavic
@@ginaibisi777😊😅😂
Really good, thanks K&G Team
Love this. Can you also do a video about the entire history of the Illyrians and what happened to them?
This video is 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 watching the Spartwcus series, so now Im here! The thracians are very fascinating. I wish the thracians wrote more about themselves. The dacians, too. I find them mysterious as well. 😢
Our Phrygians were also Thracians. Greetings from Turkey to all history geeks.
Yes Dardanelles were Phrygians.
I had the impression Phrygians were located on the northern side of Anatolia (Turkish peninsula)
@@Klimbo93 They migrated from Thrace to Anatolia and became a mixture of Balkan and Anatolian cultures.
Indeed , before you genocide and them also
But turks are 1000 years later, in this time they weres in Central Asia! 😂
The location of the Thracian mounds in many places in Bulgaria are an exact copy of the starry sky, with the size of each corresponding to the brightness of the star it depicts.
Please make a video on Chola Empire (Imperial Cholas)
I think Balkan history is fascinating... So ancient a cross road of cultures and people's... Thanks for video
Based and Indo-European Pilled, keep up the excellent work!!!
One of the best history documentaries series on RUclips. Keep up the great research.
A video about the Illyrians would be great ❗️
I very thoroughly enjoyed this video.
Good video as always 👏👏.
Are you guys have plan to making video about Ancient Proto-Greek Civilization like Minoan and Mycenaean?
Yep yep. Although I am not sure Minoans are classified as the Proto-Greeks.
I would encourage you to make a video about the Dacians. They left a deep mark on the Roman Empire... They were the only ones that had an entire forum built to celebrate the roman victory over them (during Trajan).
@@KingsandGenerals
pls include , that todays "greeks"
have nothing in Common with old
Mycenaean Greeks
since todays "greeks" speak KOINE language
Albo detected, opinion on Greece rejected.
@@georgechristman6920
they cant be all "greeks"
there was , Mycenaean Greeks, there was illyrians , there was Thracians , there was Dacians !
you guys always think
that Ballkan was only Greeks
and only greeks fought each other
common man
we are talking based on
Facts , based on Greek philosophers writings
and pls pls
go and do your Haplo DNA test
its cheap these days
That was a great video, I give it two thumbs up 👍👍
Born on a village 25 km from today Skopje
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things
Two serious mistakes guys. Xerxes was not at the battle of Marathon. Datis, Hippias and Artaphernes was the Persian generals at Marathon. Xerxes wasn't even king, his father Darius was. And Mardonios was killed at the battle of Platea in 479 BCE. Xerxes then king left with approx half the army and did retreat through Thace in 480 BCE. Also why pronounce Herakles and then show the spelling "Hercules"?
Thank You, I love these types of videos
Great video I am Spartacus
I am Spartacus!
Great video! Can you make one about illyrians?
Spartacus was a Thracian 💪💪💪
great video! Pls do one on ancient Dacia as well!
Where are the Albanians in the comments that claim everything that streches from the adriatic cost to the black sea?
😂😂😂
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@@neamnervi😂😂😂😂😂
Where did they do that ? I'm not an Albanian, but they might be older in the area than the Thracians , which are considered Indo-Europeans (genetically speaking) .
@@seaman5705 All the time. The albanian thing is somewhat complicated. That’s why it is “maybe” since there aren’t many sources. Austria-hungary is mainly responsible for creating the albanian nation to have an enemy against the serbs. Before the 1900’s the albanians barely knew who they even are. You’ll have to investigate a bit.
You should consider to do a series about Illyrians and their battle with the Romans
I think he did it check roman conquest of Greece its almost 2.30/3 hour video
@@timurbayram1274 Yeah I think he means a video solely on them as opposed to being a short mention here and there. The same way Thracians were covered in various Alexander videos but never had their own video about them.
Empire of Byzantium (330-1204)
Founder: Konstantin I Thracian the Great
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1st Thracian Imperial dynasty of Byzantium (330-364):
Konstantin I Thracian the Great (330-337)
Constantius II Thracian (337-361)
Julian Thracian (361-363)
Jovian Thracian (363-364)
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2nd Thracian Imperial dynasty of Byzantium (450-474):
Marcian Thracian (450-457)
Leo I Thracian (457-474)
Leo II Thracian (474)
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3rd Thracian Imperial dynasty of Byzantium (518-582):
Justin I Thracian (518-527)
Justinian I Thracian the Great (527-565)
Justin II Thracian (565-578)
Tiberius II Constantine Thracian (578-582)
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4th Thracian (Thracian-Phrygian) Imperial dynasty of Byzantium (820-867):
Michael II Thracian* (820 - 829); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia
Theophil Thracian* (829 - 842); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia
Michael III Thracian* (842 - 867); *Ethnic Thracian born in Thracian Phrygia
so you forgot to take your medication
@@sotirismitzolis5171search and see for yourself.
@@sotirismitzolis5171 get out from forum if you are not able to discuss without minimal 'spirit'
constantine the great was from the western balkans (where illyrians used to live). so not thracian
constantie was illyrian by origin not thrac
Amazing show guys. Excellent
I would love a video about the Illirians
Wow. Great video. Great job!
Thracians are Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, Bosnians, N. Macedonians, Kosovars, Albanians, Croatians.
Exactly❤
Bon video! By the way Do your have any plan for made video about phrygia?
Thanks! At some point
Awesome to see. I'm very interested in East meets West among the Indo Europeans. Cheers.
Love how you gave them the same color theme as they have in Rome Total War lol
The official mtDNA data about taken DNA samples from "Bulgarians", "Proto-Bulgarians", "Thracians":
a) 13 "Proto-Bulgarian" mtDNA haplogroups, 8-10 centuries, Silistra region (Nozharevo necropolis), Shumen region (Mostich monastery), Satovcha region (Tukhovishte necropolis); Nesheva 2015, p. 18:
H1t1a1, U3, J, H1r1, J1b1a1, HV1, T2, H2a2a1, H13a2c, H5, H2a2a1, T, H1a2
b) 25 Thracian mtDNA haplogroups, 2nd-3rd millennium BC, Sliven region (Shekerdzha + Gabrova mogilas/mounds), Starozagorska region (Bereket mogila/mound); Nesheva 2019, table 2:
- Table 2 Sequencing and mapping summary.
J1c, U5a1a2b, HV1a'b'c, K1c1, U5b2a1a1, N1b1a1, H3ak, H5a1a, H7a1a, H7, U4c2a, T2b, I2, J1c9, N1, T2e2a, HV0, K1c1, K1c1, T2b, J1c6, K1c1, H5b, H76a, H4a1
The leading geneticist Desislava Nesheva, gives details in an interview from 2018:
"the Thracian samples are from the 3rd millennium BC, we even had 2-3 samples that we further dated with carbon 14, which we found to be from the 5th millennium BC. The Proto-Bulgarian samples are from the 8th-10th century."
/ in Tabl. 2 of her 2019 Nature publication, the 5th millennium probes were not published, included /
c) 2018 Iain Mathieson, "The genomic history of Southeastern Europe", DNA from 204 individuals from Southeastern Europe, from which I tabulated more than 44 mtDNA samples, for comparison with others. (*I can not attach a screenshot or link here)
d) In the official study led by Sena Karachanak-Yankova from 2013, on page 75, where the mtDNA haplogroups of 855 tested present-day Bulgarians are presented in a table, almost all the mtDNAs described for the Thracians above are present:
J1c at 49 out of 855 Bulgarians
U5a1a2b branch no, but U5a is in 37 out of 855 Bulgarians
HV1a'b'c branch no, but HV1 is at 2 of 855 Bulgarians
K1c1 branch no, but K1 is in 45 out of 855 Bulgarians
U5b2a1a1 branch no, but U5b is at 20 of 855 Bulgarians
N1b1a1 branch no, but N1b1 is in 6 out of 855 Bulgarians
H3ak branch no, but H3 is in 8 out of 855 Bulgarians
H5a1a and H5b branches no, but H5 is present in 29 out of 855 Bulgarians
U4c2a branch no, but U4 is in 33 out of 855 Bulgarians
T2b branch no, but T2 is in 54 out of 855 Bulgarians
I2 branch no, but I is in 10 out of 855 Bulgarians
J1c6 and J1c9 branches no, but J1c is in 49 out of 855 Bulgarians
N1 is at 22 out of 855 Bulgarians
T2e2a branch no, but T2 is in 54 out of 855 Bulgarians
HV0 is at 32 out of 855 Bulgarians
Conclusion:
The "Proto-Bulgarian" samples are half the number of the Thracian ones and about 4 times less than those chosen from Mathieson, and yet:
1). 4 "proto-Bulgarians" are totally identical to 9 Thracians. 👍
2). 11 out of 13 "proto-Bulgarians" are identical to 35 of Mathieson's samples from the Balkans (17 Bulgaria + 1 Macedonia + 6 Greece + 3 Serbia + 4 Croatia) + 3 Romania + 1 Germany, out of more than 44 mtDNA samples. 👍
3). If the samples from the early medieval Bulgarians and the ancient Thracians had been more numerous, even more haplogroups and, accordingly, even more matches would have been found, but even from the small, meager number that the geneticists have presented, it can be seen that the "proto-Bulgarians" in the female line are originating from this region (Balkans) and are identical to the Thracians, only that these specific details are spared from the media appearances, but are available in the scientific publications themselves. 👍
4). However, it can be seen that with the meager number of 13 people, 4 of them match 9 Thracians from D. Nesheva's own samples + even more matches between Bulgarians 8-10c. and the ancient Mathieson samples + even more matches between the 855 present-day Bulgarians from 2013 with all 25 Thracian samples, which is completely indicative that we are the same people, from a different time range. 👍🙂
Ok you convinced me to play as Odrysia in Imperator: Rome...
The Pomaks are not a separate ethnic group, they're just muslim Bulgarians. Some of them identify as Turks due to their religion and religious customs.
They are not simply Muslim Bulgarians. Muslims marry Muslims as a result heavily mixing with the Turks.
@@ireofdesire7269 we have Pomaks in Greece too. They are local people who adopted the islamic religion and as a result they have intermixed a lot with the Turks.
Please create a video about Champa* and the Cham-Khmer wars. Good video 📹 👍.
Please make a video about Illyrians too❤
Who the f... was ilirians?
Battle videos are very interesting. More, more battles needed, like for this video
I wouldn’t call Thrace “where east meets west”. Asia Minor is more like that believe. When you consider that place replaced multiple times by eastern and western civilizations throughout history, thus resembles cultural features from both worlds. Perhaps you thought that’s the case in some time period in history for Thrace and stated that in the context of that period, I’m not sure.
This is a metaphor. It doesn't really need some kind of scientific explanation.
@@KingsandGeneralslol right, I just gave my opinion, I get what you meant