CLIP: Are Kibbutzim All They're Cracked Up To Be? (with Hadar Cohen)
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2024
- Full discussion is over at Hadar's channel (which you should def subscribe to): • Passover & Palestine w...
From a longer IG livestream between Daniel and Arab Jewish spiritual teacher and activist @hadarcohen32, who was born and raised in Jerusalem. The discussion took place on April 11 2024, on the subject of "Passover and Palestine".
Check out Daniel & Hadar's upcoming offerings: malchut.one/offerings
I can empathize, as a British person I know well how hard it is to realize that you were brought up thinking your people were 'the good guys' and then finding out that actually they were oppressors. I had to go through a whole process after being in a much more international environment where I married an Irish man and have Indian, Pakistani and Kenyan friends, and realised that being on the right side in WWII was really a historical blip after centuries of being the bad guys. I also grew up in North London, and had a jewish boyfriend whose best friend was Israeli, and I myself had this idea that kibbutz were really cool. It's sad, but great that you're leading the conversation to explore what Zionism really is. We know that the issue isn't just Netanyahu, and I think all our nations need to start exploring and owning our dark histories if we're ever to be able to move on. Sadly many people don't want to hear... the same with English people when I've tried to raise the issue of feeling shame for the history of the British empire.
Very well said, and fair play for “owning” Britain’s very dark history 👍. I’m not even sure they were 100% the good guys in WW2 ?
Zionism is the National Liberation Movement of Jewish people. Kibbutz is an agricultural community in Israel. What else you want to know?
Zionism is the National Liberation Movement of Jewish people. Kibbutz is an agricultural community in Israel. What else you want to know?
Zionism is the National Liberation Movement of Jewish people. Kibbutz is an agricultural community in Israel. What else you want to know?
I find nothing more cathartic than listening to Jews describe their journeys of self-discovery, how they realised that they had been brainwashed, how they broke free from the lies, and how they saw the truth. ❤
It's a cult mindset! It's very hard to break through.
Saw the truth… just like Nicolas Donin at his time.
@@ileanahernandez1709Are you talking about Islam?
You should try it yourself some time.
@samiel
“I find nothing more cathartic than listening to…
Muslims…like the son of Hamas co-founder, and that Palestinian rights activist , Bassem Eid, and many other Muslims…
…who they realized how brainwashed they had been…
… and now fully condemn Hamas for the suffering of Gazans ❤️
Just saw an interview with a woman who was taken hostage after 10/7. Horrid experience obviously. But some things struck me. She called her kibbutz a “slice of heaven” but I couldn’t understand how living next to imprisoned ppl right next door could seem heavenly. Cognitive dissonance? Also she spoke about being kept inside a door and having to knock or ask for “basics.” Made me think of what Gazans live through, being stuck there and having to get rations, even before 10/7. And finally, the ceasefire gave a chance for some hostages to be rescued… but ppl don’t seem to understand that a ceasefire is the only path to rescuing the rest… like after 6 months of bombs/ starvation/ no meds, etc. it will be a miracle if any hostages survive now. If bombing worked to rescue them then the hostages would all be back now.
75 year long apartheid, 16 year long blockade of Gaza and now committing genocide. Pure evil.
@PerceiveREALITY
To the Reader:
“Pure evil” [Israel]
This guy lacks credibility, is disingenuous, biased, and intellectually dishonest.
I guess when one is locked up in a psychiatric unit for an extended period of time, one then needs a scapegoat to avoid taking responsibility for their life.
In this guy’s case, it’s Israël.
He spends 24/7 on every Mate video making numerous anti Israel comments laced with disinformation and attacking Israel for war crimes, but says nothing about war crimes committed by Hamas.
He knows full well that the UN has charged Hamas with war crimes.
He could be an Iranian/Russian bot!!
Apartheid is genocide. I've asked you several times to take two minutes and read the definition...why do you refuse????
Greetings from Denmark. ❤
No... it's ignorance!
I love hearing Hadar speak.
So smart and incredibly wise.
Damn, I had the best summer of my life on a kibbutz. 😢
But we were young. I'm sure time will forgive us.
Wikipedia says the kibbutz I lived on is on the "depopulated" (interesting word) Palestinian village of al-Tira.
Yeah...Wikipedia is a cesspool.
Thanks Daniel for having that awareness with us in real time.
I can relate to the nostalgia if that’s the right word. Holding onto an idealized version of a reality that was not genuinely real.
More of an inflated reality to make the dysfunction and lies more pretty.
Inspiring conversation you two!! ❤
Exactly, very inspiring, especially when Daniel uses the foul language to describe his emotions, talking to a young woman.
@@user-zq7zb6ew8p emphasizing an awareness. 😁
I recently learned that the kibbutzim Hamas attacked on Oct. 7 were built over destroyed Palestinian villages. I imagine not all the people living in the kibbutzim knew that.
Same as every city in america. Built on stolen lands and genocide
Yes the Israelis have a carefully planned indoctrination on the history of Israel,
Complete and utter rubbish like 95% of the comments here.
Most of you have no idea what you're talking about.
These were left wing kibbutzim, their empathy to live in peace with Gazans didn't help, they were murdered anyway!
@@sh25098 Yeah...which one do you live atop?
@@sjsartanddesign Name one, or you're lying.
Hey my brother,please keep up the good work.
I swear to God, I thought that was Bisan for a hot minute!
Hope she is ok
Hadar does look like Bisan! ❤ both beautiful ❤❤
Such beautiful people
Thank you for sharing 😊
Rejecting zionism and condemning Israeli war crimes is not antisemitic.
@Perceived REALITY
To the Reader:
TOTALLY DISAGREE.!
The fact that Jews, who don’t live in Israel, who are not Zionists. are being attacked and harassed - because they’re Jewish - during, before, after antiZionist cum antiJewish demonstrations…and also attacked and vilified on social media, says otherwise.
In many, many, many communities around the world , Jews live in fear of antiJewish behavior.
Hate crimes against Jews outside of Israel have exponentially increased since 10/7.
Furthermore, this commenter seems to spend 24/7 of his time bashing Israel in every Mate video I’ve seen. but has never condemned Hamas massacre of innocent Jewish and non Jewish civilians on 10/7.
it is when you don't hold any other state responsible for atrocities in those countries.It also shows a complete misunderstanding of Zionism.
@@sjsartanddesign
Great comment.
Tell your friends to come on board
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@@aaronfarkas6890 Half the comments on this page are yours, so...
@@sjsartanddesignsettler genocide happened in the United States. Never again!
Thank You! 😢
I lived in Israel in the late 70’s and I would say back then there was a fairly thin veneer over the anti- Arab attitude.
Do you think it might have had something to do with the several wars of eradication Arabs had launched by 1973?
@@abcdefg2120it was not a war of eradication, it was a war against a colonial power that wants to murder and colonize indigenous people in Palestine.
If someone came to your house and told you you have to leave or be killed, what would you do?
@@abcdefg2120it was not a war of eradication. It was a reactionary war against colonial power who wants to occupy other peoples lands.
If someone asks you to evacuate your home or risk being killed, what would you do?
@@SuhaAmerThe Jews weren’t a “colonial power.” They were refugees, and some natives. who wanted to live in the land in peace. The moment the actual colonial power, the British, left, you tried to kill them all.
You also tried to kill all the Jews in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, and Algeria.
The majority of Jews living in Israel today aren’t white because they are those who fled from neighboring Arab countries, their children, and their grand children.
@@abcdefg2120Long before Palestinian resistance groups like Hamas picked up arms against the Israeli occupation, a plethora of Jewish militias were bombing and shooting dead British officials and Palestinian Arabs.Irgun, which for years was led by Menachem Begin, was named as a terror group by the UN, the US and the UK.
The Jewish groups including Haganah to Irgun, and the Stern Gang (Lehi) actively used terrorism against the British mandate over Palestine and to create fear among the Arab citizens. John Lois Peeke, an American military expert, also writes that Zionist terrorism was at the core of the idea of Israel. “Jewish terrorism against British and Arabs did contribute heavily to the removal of the British from Palestine, the abandonment of the League of Nations mandate and the creation of a Jewish state of Israel,” he wrote in his book Jewish-Zionist Terrorism and the Establishment of Israel.Zionist terrorist groups attacked with impunity not just military targets but also civilians in the 1940s.
I played in a reggae band and traveled all over the world. In Israel, in some places , racism isn't hidden. People are disturbingly open about it. On a tour crossing the Sea of Galilee, I left my group to talk to the tour guide who was talking to the boat pilot about how "they are animals", and "so dirty with no morals". I asked them who and they both looked at me simultaneously and said "Arabs!". They didn't know that I was half Syrian up until that moment. The were pretty quiet on the way back though.
Yea but you find much worse name calling in the west bank and gaza
@@2000av - I guess stop genociding the Arabs and they won't call you names, you poor little sweetie patootie. It must be SO hard to be called names while you're ethnically cleansing a people!
@@2000av, your justification doesn't make the behavior correct. It's like a child saying "well, I hit them *because* ...
@@ThisGuy76
Did I say it was correct?
Only that both entities hate each other
@@2000av, that's *not* what you said; but whatever.
BOYCOTTS work MIRACLES
WE SHOULD ALL TRy-IT.
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Hahaha Boycotts have never achieved anything and if you want to boycott Israel in the fields of high tech, agriculture,medicine, water desanition, computers, mobile phone technology,, please, be my guest!! 😂
ESPECIALLY THE MEDICINE!
Love this conversation, thank you for bringing your different points of view
Great conversation. I will just add that we all grew up with Seder narrative that also includes: "Shfoch chamatcha al hagoyim- pour out thy wrath on the nations." How do we come to terms with that aspect of the Jewish narrative?
YOU ALSO CONVENIENTLY FORGOT TO SAY THAT WE EMPTY SOME OF OUR WINE, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TO REJOICE IN THE SUFFERING OF OUR ENEMY!
THE POURING OUT THE WRATH IS NOT AGAINST OUR ENEMY BUT ENEMIES OF GOD.
TELL THE FULL STORY WHY DON'T YOU!!
@@sjsartanddesign YELLING DOESN'T MAKE YOUR TRASH ANY MORE COGENT! GROW UP!
In my opinion nobody had any rights partition Palestine for the new world order military industrial complex allowing a "government" to use military against civilians based on religious dogma and lies.
Exactly. One Palestine, for all Palestinians: Jews, Druze, Christians and Muslims!
Great conversation and reflection.
_See also: Bes D. Marx's latest video, third in a 4-part series on [the European settler-colonial project whose name magically makes comments disappear]._
You know what has been said at the end of the Passover seder for Millenia? "Next year in Jerusalem!"
You mean by people who lived elsewhere for millennia, right?
I knew an israeli in Thailand who told me he had arab ear collection when he was in the army and that he collected them from living people. This might have been false but just the fact that he told me that with honour and bravado shows a great deal about the state of young men of Israel.
F lisr
That leaves how many more young men in Israel??
If a Protestant hates a Catholic like in Northern Ireland where I grew up, do you think therefore then, all Protestants hate all Catholics ?
Hey, Daniel my answer is boycotting gas from Chevron and Esso I haven't bought gas in over 5 yrs, do they care? Probably not.
Every little bit helps.I haven't bought Goya products since it's CEO endorsed Donald Trump right after two hurricanes, Irma and Maria, hit my country Puerto Rico and Trump withheld food , water, medical supplies and electricity for months. Almost 5,000 people died because of Trump and his Republican friends. So I still don't touch any of their many products even if they are on sale! Boycotting works.
@@ileanahernandez1709 How did your boycott "work"? Trump is about to be elected dictator again, and Biden has been no better.
I'm not sure that allowing the pigs to overrun your comments with "engagement" will help with "the algo"...
There is no left in Israel since the beginning, they all agree on the settler colonial project that just shifted into a fascist apartheid state.
Seriously. These goombahs were literally to the right of the Austrian painter...how the hell???
Agree on " settler colonialism"?
The jews literally received the country from the league of nations and the UN.
The jews lived in israel for 3500 years. That's why israel was allocated to the jews by the international community and that is why they support it today.
@@sh25098 when you are less than 1/3 of the population and u take 55% of the land ( best half) it is stupid to accept. Now go spread lies somewhere else.
@@sh25098 When did the League of Nations and the UN take possession of Palestine? Take your time...
@fun_ghoul take possession?
You mean we should not be grateful that the allied powers won ww1 ? Would you have liked the Germans and the ottmans to have won the w@r?
And there was no Palestine under the ottman empire. It was an area that was part of the province of Syria.
It's easier to get out of a Sect than to get the Sect out of us
This was news to me too
Spread the word, or it'll take longer to save the Jews from the Zist Crusaders!
PLATOE'S CAVE MOMENT ?
THE SUN WILL STING AND YOU WILL SHED TEARS @Daniel Maté
❤
British politeness
The international is hard path but a good trip
interesting about the start of kibbutz. i read a book that said the beduins would travel around palestine and everytime they went to places that were fertile the jewish people were settling there. the beduins had to settle or have no place worth traveling. the palestinians. snap. i loved the kibbutz. meeting people from around the world.
People after WW2 didn't want to be critical of 🇮🇱 bc of their guilt over all the Jews of the Holocaust. Not knowing of the others who died. I was a zionist Christian got to go ,help 🇮🇱 as a volinteer for the UKM and Zar El. Thot I was doing good even spreading Zionist propoganda here. But in the between times I've met some I've meet some interesting Palestinians. They would never criticise 😮🇮🇱 and found them to be true friends, open, generous, supportive and understanding
7/10 taught me something . I was torn between my past. I felt for my kibbutz friends and my Palestinian ones. My kibbutz friends blanked and locked me. My Pali friends understand my dilema even care about my 🇮🇱 friends ,who were, and try to change the subject.
Zionism is the same poison as any other European settler-colonial project. End of.
انا لله وانا اليه راجعون
ظهر الحق وزهق الباطل
We are all will return to Allah .
This is hard time but allah is controlling that
SOS SOS SOS PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION FOR TOOMAJ SALEHI MUSICIAN !!! Jeune iranien qui écrit des textes puissants contre le régime des mollahs, il est la voix de la jeunesse iranienne qui veut vivre librement, en paix avec le reste du monde, la liberté pour les femmes...des millions d iraniens le suivent, il est une voix forte de la dissidence, c est pour ça qu il est condamné à mort !!!
What's "keepoteam"? (SP)
Kibbutzim. Google it. 👍
They are saying Kibbutzim, which sounds somewhat like ‘kee-boot-seem’ ~ the plural of kibbutz.
@@laurakazimir1712 Thank you.
Applied Communist ideology.
@@laurakazimir1712 The plural in English is "kibbutzes", which is how non-"Israeli" Jews said it until perhaps the Dubya era.
Hadar, you're so pretty. You remind me of an Egyptian friend, she also had a lovely very feminine energy like you.
What a weird comment to direct at a highly educated person on a very serious topic
@@LGrian - You're right, I'm sure she must be deeply offended. Shame on me. I'll probably be banned from all her videos from now on - serves me right. Tut tut.
@@danielaf1487 haha! It's OK to compliment someone's looks in this context -- according to me :-)
@ - Yeah, I think you'd have to be utterly joyless to see anything inappropriate about a... nice comment. I'm a woman (straight) and I love to compliment other women. And I apprciate Hadar for all sorts of other reasons, too.
@@danielaf1487 Whether you are really a woman or a man or whatever. That original comment was sexist and highly inappropriate in that context, IMO.
And by the way, if you really are a woman - which I doubt - there is a name for such a sexualised behaviour towards women.
It's called internalised misogyny - and if you are a man - well, then you should read Mary Daly - because you should learn why I would have been "deeply" offended and insulted, too, if I had been Hadar, because I agree with @LGrian "What a weird comment to direct at a highly educated person on a very serious topic"
It's like Daniel Maté talks about his great-grandparents demise and I answer him: "Oh, Daniel you have so beautiful curly hair, you're so cute! And you look so distinguished when you were glasses!"
Don't you find such a statement totally inappropriate? We're talking about ethnic cleansing, fascism, holocaust, genocide, the extermination of a entire people and its thousend-year old culture - these are all very gruesome topics.
Jewish culture is as beautiful as the Zionist culture is ugly. Zionism is a perversion of Judaism. Cults always look good until you take a closer look. Freedom is sweeter.
"Mizrahi are barbarians" is just racism not a real critique .
I mean, you could make an actual argument here if you teased it out. Thing is, if you did, you'd have to acknowledge that the only possible racism (whose synonym is "white supremacism") in that is a European man speaking ill of Africans and Asians. Go ahead now, Polack. Do it.
She wasn't even saying that, kid. She was mimicking the usual attitude among Ashkenazis about "the Aravim". Nobody forgot where Baghdad and Tangiers are.
@@PalOStein Duh, that's what I'm saying. Askenazim who say that, are being racist and not making a valuable argument.
@@PalOStein Aravim is a made up derogatory term you shouldn't use . Jews are Jews not Aravim .
@@emmanuelwood8702 Fair enough, but given the context and ambiguity of your comment, you can shove your "duh". 😙
Can you explain what you mean when you say that kibbutzim are violent places even today? I’ve been to many kibbutzim and never noticed violent elements ?
Also, as I understood things, I thought some land was legally purchased and some was stolen, wouldn’t this apply to kibbutzim as well? Surely not all are built on stolen land? I am asking as a genuine inquiry, because I am also seeking the truth.
Thank you.
In israel today ( borders of 67) only 3% of the land was owned by Palestinians before 48.
Most of the land was bought legally by the jews
All the land was stolen from those inhabitting and settling it. Some of it was legally purchased pre nakba, but the system in place all the way back to Ottoman rule, was one were vast swathes of land were legally owned by landowners or aristocracy, but actually settled by farmers who were legally entitled to farm it and live off their crops and labor. Zionism changed that and forced them out in oder to create their artificial ethnostate.
@@thomasmurdochduncan LOL.those farmers were Arab squatters. Recent immigrants that never owned the land. That's why they had no right to it after the jews bought the lands from the real owners.
@@sh25098 Shortly after a visit to PALESTINE in 1891, Asher Hirsch Ginsberg, the "founder of cultural Zionism" wrote the following about the Jewish settlers he observed there:
"They were slaves in their land of exile, and they suddenly find themselves with unlimited freedom, the kind of wild freedom to be found only in a country like Turkey. This sudden change has engendered in them an impulse to despotism, as always happens when "a slave becomes a king," and behold they walk with the Arabs in hostility and cruelty, unjustly encroaching on them, shamefully beating them for no good reason, and even bragging about what they do, and there is no one to stand in the breach and call a halt to this dangerous and despicable impulse."
So that was there even in the beginnings, as far back as 1891, described by one of the Jewish founders of Zionism, yet he could be talking about it also as if 2024. It only got worse of course - much worse.
@george00110 this is so funny. What a way to twist history. The jews prepared to have a country with an Arab minority. The Palestinians were the ones who started a gen@.^cidal w@r against the jews in 1947.
And not to mention the fact that the arabs lives improved dramatically when the jews brought in foreign mony and improved the whole region. Kinda like today. The Palestinians are living on america/ eu/ Arab countries foreign aid only because of the existence of the jews there. Without israel they would be just another unsuccessful poor Arab country in the middle east.
Are you like literally obsessed with Israel?
like totally yeah
Do you not understand that we believe genocidal acts are being carried out in our name? Most leftist Jews, particularly under a certain age, are rather “obsessed” at the moment.
They are bored in their colonial american privileged existence
@@LGrian@LGrian why aren't they "obsessed " about the lands they stole from the native Americans/ canda/ Australians?
Their comfortable lives are built on stolen lands and gen@.ide. Why don't they care about that?
@@Shie67 yep. They are Americans living on stolen lands
Huge disagreement here! You guys are so disingenuous
You mean 2 privileged americans living on stolen land are disingenuous? How can that be??😅
Wrong. One privileged Canadian living on stolen land, and one Arab Jewish woman who was born and raised in Jerusalem with family there for 10 generations
Shortly after a visit to PALESTINE in 1891, Asher Hirsch Ginsberg, the "founder of cultural Zionism" wrote the following about the Jewish settlers he observed there:
"They were slaves in their land of exile, and they suddenly find themselves with unlimited freedom, the kind of wild freedom to be found only in a country like Turkey. This sudden change has engendered in them an impulse to despotism, as always happens when "a slave becomes a king," and behold they walk with the Arabs in hostility and cruelty, unjustly encroaching on them, shamefully beating them for no good reason, and even bragging about what they do, and there is no one to stand in the breach and call a halt to this dangerous and despicable impulse."
So that was there even in the beginnings, as far back as 1891, described by one of the Jewish founders of Zionism, yet he could be talking about it also as if 2024. It only got worse of course - much worse.
@@george00110 Echad Ha'am was a huge critic of the political Zionist project and was in open conflict with Herzl.
@@Toichen You exaggerate the level of his criticism but why even mention it - is that suppose to discount what he personally observed in 1891? Maybe you should also describe him as a self-hating Jew.
These 2 Americans should be talking about how their own homes are built on stolen lands of the native Americans. Millions of native americans died so they can sitt in their comfortable colonial homes and have this discussion. Give all the land back to native Americans first!! Stop the hypocrisy 🙏
Dumbass. One is a Canadian who acknowledges that he was born on stolen land and doesn’t justify it. The other is an Arab Jew born and raised in Jerusalem.
@@danielmatemusic
LOL. Acknowledge the indian land theft ? Is that really enough? Sure israelis also 'Acknowledge' the land they took. But for some reason you keep on harassing the jews🤷♂️
I thought you were both living in America . Enjoying American life on stolen land. Enjoying a cozy life after bl##d thirsty America fought w@rs in the middle east so you can have your pleasen Internet conversions.
LEAVE ISRAEL ALONE . Concentrate on your own colonial lives 🙏
So... check your history. When Columbus sailed through he left behind diseases that devastated, wiped out entire nations. Like the Mandan. Horrific. When the European settlers came
To stay the land here had already been partially depopulated. Then came the 1800’s and the Indian wars. Many of us were not alive then and could not fight for the indigenous peoples then. We are here and fighting fir Palestinian’s now!
The difference between what happened to native Americans, Australian aborigines, native New Zealanders etc, is time, this all happened centuries ago, and cannot be undone. The 20th century was about decolonization, but the state in Israel was created in the 20th century, and the genocide and ethnic cleansing has been ongoing ever since, it never stopped. Western governments have the power to put an end to further death and destruction.
@shadowguard3578
@valeriewedel2775
These are just lame excuses.
If you believe in "decolonisation " you should fight to give back the lands taken by f@ rse frome the native American/ canda/ Australia ext. Fight for the white immigrants to leave those countries.....
But let's be real...NOBODY will ever do that because most of you ( anti zionist) are living in those countries and want to enjoy your cozy colonial lives.
You fight for decolonisation as long as your comfort is not h@rmed.
80% of Israelis were born after 1948. They had nothing to do with the NAKBA. they just want to live a normal life in their home , in the country they love, exactly like all of you .
“Land theft”? Please indicate exactly plats of lands stolen and names of the owners that land was stolen from.
I know right. This revisionism is nuts.
You can take a bus ride from Jerusalem to Eilat and pass nothing but emptiness for over 4 hours in a land of 14 million.
Yet people act like every square foot was already settled in 1948 when the population was under 2 million.
And everyone in the comments is eating it up.
There was more than enough land for everyone who was there in 1948 to cohabitate peacefully, and it was not Jews who rejected peace despite that they had been the sole victims of violence in the preceding decades.
@@abcdefg2120 If they were victims of violence, then go get revenge from Europeans who committed it and take land in Germany, and stop occupying other people’s land who have been living there for much more time than any european settler.
Wow what genocide apologists...
@@KahinaKhando46 “genocide” claim belongs to the same category as “land theft” - blood libel, incitement to violence against Jews.
Shame on you.
@@KahinaKhando46 “genocide” belongs to the same category as “land theft” - blood libel, incitement to violence against Jews.
Shame on you.
I have lived for a time on 3 different kibbutzim and the community spirit is amazing and foreign workers too have enjoyed their time there and come back time after time! Seems to me you are scraping the barrel of things to criticise in Israel. What is next the pros and cons of kosher food? MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL AND GO AND HELP THE STARVING MILLIONS IN SUDAN!
_"Where's my orange? Who took my orange???"_ 🟠
Hasbara tells you something, then slaps you in the face and then wants you to believe to what it has told you. 🍄🍄🍄
No, it's an odd concept. Why don't we have them elsewhere? Because it doesn't work?
Indeed. A house divided cannot stand. How can you build love for mankind while also dehumanizing your neighbours from literally in utero?
You've been very quiet the last few days hahahahaha
The conclusion is that Israelites to vet and revisit their birth to rights policy
Eastern Europeans /= "Israeliltes". Palestinian DNA will never be yours. Cope.
You look like Trotsky
You *sound* like Trotsky, tho. He was a Nazi collabo, too.