"I am not a big fan of the game despite having a nostalgic fondness for it." The ability to say that sentence in that way is the mark of a specific type of self-awareness and maturity that many, many people out there lack, and should be admired in anyone who does display it - especially game design critics. Fantastic video, man. Your channel is one I'll be _damned_ to ever unsubscribe from.
@@skeetermania3202 Being able to differentiate one's personal feelings on something (his nostalgic fondness for SA1) from one's ability to rationally evaluate it (him not being a big fan of it based on how the game is, despite his personal fondness).
Glad to see you back and still doing in depth looks. As you old title said, "Quickies Don't Cut It". 6:16 Rhythm Badge. You already have the Jet Anklet by that point.
I miss you bro. Not only me, the guys. I hope one day you can come back and made a final video. Watching this one makes me feel sad, because you didn't got the attention you deserved. And seeing how passionate you were.
I honestly have no idea why people always say stuff like this in regards to youtubers whose videos are over 30 minutes long on average. Like writing and editing takes week, plus they probably want to take a break. Maybe I missed something and he said he was quitting but my point is never assume a youtuber who makes long videos is dead unless they haven’t posted in 2 years.
The main story interested me because I wanted to play through their stories to see how they got there or why they are there in the first place. I was satisfied with it back then and while it's age has shown I'm still okay with it. It's not great but I can still enjoy it. Plus I mainly come back for the Sonic stages and maybe some Knuckles stages. I almost feel like making a list of the things they could improve for a possible remake of the game... but sadly I'm away from my Dreamcast and Gamecube versions of the game for the time being.
Here’s a little list of mine: -I’d ditch the upgrade system as many of the abilities that it gives could either work as standard moves or hardly add much to the game. There’s already enough incentive to explore with the Emblems, hidden Chao eggs and general horseplay. -I’d give Sonic a proper roll instead of the “Spam Dash” and remap the Spin Dash to Jump+Action so Tails can have room to use it, too. (Knuckles would still dig, though, as his SA1 gameplay is about careful searching, plus the two-button controls would be preserved.) -Sonic would get a real wall jump instead of that “Jump on panel #1…” bullshit. Obviously, levels would have to be redesigned around it, but that’s OK as some, like Windy Valley part 1, could really use it. -The dash rings would be removed from Tails’s stages to give them some semblance of challenge. -Amy would obviously be sped up a decent bit and J+A would be the hammer jump. Fitting, really. -Big’s fishing controls would be shown whenever he has the line out and a prompt for setting the hook would show during a bite. Also, moving the lure sideways would be smooth instead of in sweeping all-or-nothing stuttersteps. Anything to make Big less of a pain to play without jettisoning him. :
I'm so grateful you're back, you are my favorite game reviewer! I watch game reviews on my breaks during work, at home when I'm working on stuff, or cleaning my room, anything really. I would listen to all your reviews multiple times throughout the years and now I'm sick of them, haha! Finally watching and hearing a new analysis is like... some of the strongest euphoria I've experienced in a while. This was a great video RZ! I love your work and I'll be sure to always support it!
Something I've always loved about your content is how differently we percieve these games, but you present your topic so well that I'm fully able to see and admire your perspective. Can't wait to see more, fam.
Honestly the ring system as it is is mostly fine Imo, just that the game does a poor job of scattering them and making them losable to clifs or rough terrain
honestly i don't even know why the ring system still exists in the 3d games,there is plenty of room to dodge and see obstacles,and cheap design isn't nearly as much of a issue.
So happy you’re back. I didn’t catch the link on Twitter but I got the notification on my phone and watched this. Was looking forward to it since you mentioned it on Twitter and the MMX streams a lot. This was awesome! I still really like your writing and analysis and I think you gave SA1 a very fair look, like you did with Sonic 1, 2 and 3D Blast. Loved the X7 and GG jabs btw
This must be living in dark times if rz is uploading a video on his channel. In any case, I'm glad to hear you come back with a game that really defined my childhood. Love your retrospects my dude.
Your review style and scripting was already excellent, but this certainly felt like another leap forward in quality. Looking forward to seeing what else you've got in store for us.
I always look forward to your reviews on popular titles that I also enjoy. The intricacies of each detail you cover is always spot on. It's so.... ahhh!! Welcome back
i could imagine if chaos got the 7th emerald on the egg carrier, he could take over the ship and replace the cockpit tower with perfect chaos, then having something similar to the sky chase boss mixed with the final boss, dodging attacks and reaching perfect chaos and damaging it, before being flung away
7:26 this is why I greatly appreciate when people who are actually COMPETENT at video games...review video games. I'm sick of ppl complaining about Sonic's gameplay when their deaths and fumblings are their own fault. Everything about Sonic's core physics/control & mechanics etc as you display is beautifully solid and I wanna pull my eyes out when I hear trolling "reviewers" and commenters crucify it nowadays. Sadly the rest of the game/story isn't structured well at all...but most importantly Sega nailed Sonic's gameplay on the 1st attempt (the same way Nintendo nailed Mario's 3D gameplay on the 1st attempt) and that alone deserves respect, his action stages are timeless fun.
@@danielbetancourt1483 by "reviewers" I'm also referring to other RUclipsrs, and plenty have bashed the game for the wrong reasons. Projared, Spawnwave, losers on whatculture gaming, all sorts of commenters from everywhere, do I really need to explain this to you? It's popular to hate on this series.
Great work, RZ. Loved the editing and the script was very concise, and presented a common take I've heard a lot with a different style so it feels fresh.
"...And may this mark a new era for the channel with more consistent uploads to come." Me: Oh man... So according to this, in 7 more months a new video will come, I didn't know what you meant by that beforehand. Leaving that aside, of course, I have no idea of what's happening, but take care anyways in the meantime. I loved this video and your channel as a whole, and you gave me a good chuckle when you mentioned X7.
Knuckles seeing Gamma at Red Mountain isn't an inconsistency since this takes place after his Emerald Coast, as Big follows him into the Egg Carrier. We aren't shown this because Gamma is having a vision in the meantime.
That doesn't really make sense, though? Gamma has no reason to be at Red Mountain after Emerald Coast. Why would he be there? You also don't see Froggy in Gamma's hands in Knuckles' campaign, neither do you see Big following Gamma.
@@RetropolisZone To be fair, both the Red Mountain entrance and Gamma's flashback after Emerald Coast are near the Emerald Altar. It's possible Gamma was teleported there by Tikal, since that happens to Knuckles after his Lost World stage...not sure where Big is during all this, though (would've been hilarious to see Big chasing after Gamma in Knuckles' story).
I just wanted to post and say wow, I am amazed that your look at Sonic Adventure is this long. This is amazing and I know this must have taken you a long time and a lot of work. Enjoying it! Thanks so much and wish you the best.
I have watched so many of your videos/reviews and I have to say it is great to see you back! Thank you for this video but thank you for this more in-depth look with both positives AND negatives! I hope all is well for you!!
I'm really enjoyed with your review of Wonder Boy / Monster World games, it make me think that you should cover them all if have any chance especially the recent game in the series Monster Boy & the Cursed Kingdom. But I'm more happy you came back after long time. Welcome back, Retropolis!
I have to agree and disagree with your assessment. Your retrospective definitely brings back memories of frustrations and jankiness that had me envisioning what a more fixed version of Adventure would look like. However, this game is greater than the sum of its parts. It was something truly special back in the time of its release, flaws and all. I say that as someone who is a harsh critic, even in the face of some of the harsh criticisms I saw Adventure get when it was originally released. And while it's absolutely a testament to a game's greatness if it holds up decades after its release, I don't think every game must meet that same criteria. Adventure merits its place in history and is important enough for what it did at that time not to need proving itself against 2020 standards.
Disappointing when a fondly remembered childhood game doesn't hold up as an adult. Then again, it makes the games that have stood the test of time even sweeter.
I love Sonic Adventure. I play the Dreamcast version, Gamecube version, Xbox version, and Steam version (with mods). This game isn't even among my favorite Sonic games, but I have a lot of respect for this game, and it's a lot of fun.
I played this For The First Time In 2016, I Really Enjoyed It ( No Nostalgia Involved ), My Only Problem Was Big's Campaign, The Fishing Worked Fine But It's Just So Much Different From The Rest Of The Game, It Feels Like a Minigame
It's funny, I just watched your Sonic Adventure review for the first time yesterday. Watching this one will be a great way to see how far you've come! Lol.
Holy shit I just found this channel so like 1. You definitely got me as a fan boy here but you deserve WAY more attention. Like may 100k subs here like how the hell ain't you getting views with these great ass reviews. I just don't understand
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy the review so much. I think the relatively low number of subscribers and views has to do with my lack of consistent uploads. I simply don't put out enough videos.
Anyone of the opinion that SA1's character animations aren't that bad, I urge you to stand up right now and perform an experiment: Look at Amy's idle standing animation loop, and try to physically imitate it as accurately as you can. Or maybe Sonic's action pose idle standing animation loop. Then come back and tell me how incredibly awkward that was, and that you understand now. x)
10:58 THIS, THIS, THIS. This is the main reason the Adventure series and Heroes will always be the pinnacle of 3D sonic. The worlds and levels felt so cohesive and alive, despite the massive difference in visual fidelity between them and modern titles. Boost was fun while it lasted, but there is simply no way to match that level of world building when your movement and controls are restricted. In the Adventure era titles, there was always some sort of unique twist and turn that shook up gameplay, but without changing anything about the controls. Air fans, Bridge rails, chase sequence, anything. This design philosophy carries over between literally every playstyle from every one of those games, BARRING Big the Cat sections from adventure 1. As for what I meant about cohesive, even though the general settings between Adventure 1, 2 and Heroes are very different, within each game is a self contained, cohesive world, i.e the level and area settings may change as the story progresses, but the general aesthetics and atmosphere remain. For example, you progress from City Escape to Final Rush in a logical, and meaningful way throughout the story of SA2. Same deal with Seaside Hill to Final Fortress. There's logical progression from place to place, and it all fits together. Can't say the same for modern 3D games, where you can go from (death machine factory > candy land mountain > Sky temple > Insert Mario world trope here) with zero rhyme or reason. You could get away with this in 2D titles back in the Genesis era, but even Mania managed to make some sort of cohesive progression. Unleashed is the only boost/modern title to not really run into many of the problems I mentioned, mostly because Unleashed felt like the last time Sonic Team really tried to make a believable world, and also for the fact that Unleashed is still the best boost game, and a massive landmark moment for video game visuals. On the other hand, titles like Colors, and ESPECIALLY Lost world are MASSIVE offenders in all of these regards.
SkyVR i mean i care but not as much to rate an entire 1 to 10 score out of an entire game out of it. If the gameplays solid that's what I consider top notch. Stories r just icing on the cake
Hey, man! Glad to see you have made a return, and with such an awesome video. I actually went through and re-watched all of your QDCI videos, finishing them all very recently. In my opinion, you have always put out high-quality content. In fact, I feel that even your earliest videos could be released today and stand among your more recent content. I will say, though, you significantly improved upon your original video with this one! Keep up the good work, and congrats on your channel's 5-Year Anniversary!
43:10 well Chaos 6 could only be harmed after being frozen. Something unlikely to be possible in the current Situation. But I do agree that it contains lots of BS since the cutscene implies Chaos Zero took down Knuckles and it’s never explained why Angel Island fell
45:55 Do you consider Megaman X a platformer ? I'd say Megaman X4 was pretty ambitious with it's story too, not that it was done well but it also came during the 90s
Yeah it wasn't long as those two nor did it have many perspectives as Adventure, but it was unexpected to see a platformer *trying* to deal with gray morality in war and sense of purpose
No problem man, not everyone is a Megaman fanatic and the gameplay is what truly ends up selling X4, arguably the same goes for Adventure, i wish i could skip the cutscenes in the Dreamcast version
Wow, you did such an amazing job here going through the game. I love it. You nailed why I enjoy Sonic's adventure specifically, and for some reason the studio completely forsook all of the good parts never to be seen again :/
Honestly it does kinda hurt that seeing the slight variations on the different PoVs of the same events is one of the things I like _most_ about this game's presentation, and that's exactly what you complain about a lot.
1:02:00 did you say.. BURN!? BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND! BUR- BURN BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND! BUR- BURN BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND! BUR- BURN BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND! BUR- BURN BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND!
One thing you forgot to mention is how Amy turns into Sonic whenever she goes specifically up specifically on stairs. The physics in this game deeefinitely work as intended... yes... xD
20:35 It's not *technically* exclusive to Tails...Sonic is also capable of getting into Sand Hill with an extremely well-timed and precise spindash from the minigame's cave entrance in Mystic Ruins. And while Knuckles is capable of reaching the ledge, the button that opens the minigame is not present for him or any other character - it's only there for Tails and also Sonic for some reason. I know this is completely beside the point though.
I love Sonic Adventure very much but you're comment really bummed me out thinking about the state of the Sonic franchise that this is one of the best ones.
@@TimAllen624 To be fair when it comes to story theming and level design (primarily Sonic’s) Adventure is one of the best. Still a very flawed game that you can’t call amazing because come on, but even then it has a lot of aspects to it that are on average more well executed or had more thought put into them than a lot of the newer games. Passion doesn’t make a glitchy game good of course but it’s still an important factor (and also it hurts more if it looks like the devs didn’t even try).
dude welcome back!!, hope your leave refreshed you and looking forward to anything you have planned in the future. by the way are you going to tackle sonic 3 and knuckles as you've covered all the other megadrive sonic games and i think your followers and subscribers would definitely dig that.
@@RetropolisZone well regardless we all love you and will support all your life decisions you make public, also your probably my favorite youtuber just thought you should know that :)
I’m halfway into the video..... and this video has opened my eyes to some of the game’s major flaws and i’m a bit sad Tails (my favorite sonic character) didn’t get better treatment in the stage design department, as much as i enjoy plainly playing and flying as Tails, but at least I have more to think about in relation to Sonic’s potential in this game.
Flash The Monkey It really is criminal that Adventure 1 and Heroes are the only 3D Sonic games TO THIS DAY to decently replicate Tails’s 2D gameplay because although flying in Adventure 1 is fun on its own, there’s not a Hell of a lot to do with it, and exploring/dicking around in the levels is inconvenient because of the racing gimmick, and you know what kind of game Heroes is. Tails is seriously the most gypped Sonic character ever.
The tiny chao garden is your friend if you have the GameCube SADX, a GBA/link cable and sonic advance or sonic advance 2 (after unlocking the garden, use tails). Raise your chao there, at lv99 a baby chao will beat everything.
Would you look forward to an adventure remake if it were announced? Or do you think that the issues with the game are great enough that a remake, even if it overhauled a lot of the worse parts of the game, wouldn't be able to fix it?
Sonic Adventure would be a hard game to remake: change too much and you'll piss off the fans of the original, but fail to change enough and I think it is guaranteed to get panned. I'd personally prefer them to reimagine it Resident Evil 2 style, because the game is too problematic and flawed to just give a few quality life of improvements and fixes and make it work again. Like, you can't just scrap characters, since that'd be losing a core aspect of what made Sonic Adventure. At the same time, could they really make all six characters feel much more substantial and worthwhile? If they do announce an SA1 remake, I honestly wouldn't be excited. I don't have the faith in current Sonic Team to pull it off in a satisfying way. Hopefully they can prove me wrong, though, if it is happening. I'd love a triple A remake of SA1 on the upcoming generation of hardware, that completely blows the original out of the water.
@@RetropolisZone Part of me is imagining a Metroid: Zero Mission-styled remake where the structure is largely kept but gaps in the game design are filled; for example, you could make Tails' and Gamma's levels be longer and play with their abilities more (it'd be pretty cool to see Tails' Windy Valley have some sort of wind gimmick). Whether or not the current Sonic Team could pull it off...I agree that I don't want to see the Sonic Team whose most recent game doesn't even give Sonic an idle animation remake a game where every character has a unique idle quote depending on their situation. On the other hand, I have heard that Sonic Team was restructured sometime in 2018, but I'm not certain.
@@RetropolisZone "change too much and you'll piss off the fans of the original" Not if the only changes are improvements of issues in the earlier versions with new levels to add.
Minor nitpick, but Sonic Adventure did not introduce the Homing Attack. Sonic 3D Blast did it first, albeit you needed the Blast Shield in order to use it.
47:06 Gotta love how even the closed captions say "Sonic Advenger"
Holy shit
@Speedy V. I know, but I still think it's funny regardless.
I've watched that movie. it's really famous. doesn't it have those colored rock things?
"I am not a big fan of the game despite having a nostalgic fondness for it."
The ability to say that sentence in that way is the mark of a specific type of self-awareness and maturity that many, many people out there lack, and should be admired in anyone who does display it - especially game design critics.
Fantastic video, man. Your channel is one I'll be _damned_ to ever unsubscribe from.
What maturity?
@@skeetermania3202 Being able to differentiate one's personal feelings on something (his nostalgic fondness for SA1) from one's ability to rationally evaluate it (him not being a big fan of it based on how the game is, despite his personal fondness).
Glad to see you back and still doing in depth looks. As you old title said, "Quickies Don't Cut It".
6:16
Rhythm Badge. You already have the Jet Anklet by that point.
Thanks! And I must've been brainfarted that I didn't notice the Jet Anklet mistake, haha.
@@RetropolisZone
These things happen :)
Hell yeah, welcome back.
You are not supposed to be here yet, but it was my own fault for not censoring the link in the Community tab image, lmao. Enjoy your early access. :')
Retropolis Zone Yeah I figured, and out of respect for you I have not and will not share the link...until March 25th at 7 AM. :)
Welcome back indeed. (April 2020)
About that...
I miss you bro.
Not only me, the guys. I hope one day you can come back and made a final video.
Watching this one makes me feel sad, because you didn't got the attention you deserved. And seeing how passionate you were.
Hes bacc
I honestly have no idea why people always say stuff like this in regards to youtubers whose videos are over 30 minutes long on average. Like writing and editing takes week, plus they probably want to take a break. Maybe I missed something and he said he was quitting but my point is never assume a youtuber who makes long videos is dead unless they haven’t posted in 2 years.
The main story interested me because I wanted to play through their stories to see how they got there or why they are there in the first place. I was satisfied with it back then and while it's age has shown I'm still okay with it. It's not great but I can still enjoy it. Plus I mainly come back for the Sonic stages and maybe some Knuckles stages. I almost feel like making a list of the things they could improve for a possible remake of the game... but sadly I'm away from my Dreamcast and Gamecube versions of the game for the time being.
Here’s a little list of mine:
-I’d ditch the upgrade system as many of the abilities that it gives could either work as standard moves or hardly add much to the game. There’s already enough incentive to explore with the Emblems, hidden Chao eggs and general horseplay.
-I’d give Sonic a proper roll instead of the “Spam Dash” and remap the Spin Dash to Jump+Action so Tails can have room to use it, too. (Knuckles would still dig, though, as his SA1 gameplay is about careful searching, plus the two-button controls would be preserved.)
-Sonic would get a real wall jump instead of that “Jump on panel #1…” bullshit. Obviously, levels would have to be redesigned around it, but that’s OK as some, like Windy Valley part 1, could really use it.
-The dash rings would be removed from Tails’s stages to give them some semblance of challenge.
-Amy would obviously be sped up a decent bit and J+A would be the hammer jump. Fitting, really.
-Big’s fishing controls would be shown whenever he has the line out and a prompt for setting the hook would show during a bite. Also, moving the lure sideways would be smooth instead of in sweeping all-or-nothing stuttersteps. Anything to make Big less of a pain to play without jettisoning him. :
Ayyy cj whens that Shadow the Hedgehog review coming you're like 4 years late
@@entertainer_ev2747 Not sure, I may have to do other Sonic games before I get around to it as there are some other things going on with it.
imma be honest jump pads are 100x better then shimmying across a ledge like games nowadays lol quick and to the point & shows his agility
Retropolise zone is back.
I've been waiting for this ever since I binged all of his videos in 2019.
I'm so grateful you're back, you are my favorite game reviewer!
I watch game reviews on my breaks during work, at home when I'm working on stuff, or cleaning my room, anything really. I would listen to all your reviews multiple times throughout the years and now I'm sick of them, haha! Finally watching and hearing a new analysis is like... some of the strongest euphoria I've experienced in a while.
This was a great video RZ! I love your work and I'll be sure to always support it!
same here I love the mega man x6 review. So much anger I love it
Hey, Retropolis Zone! Glad that you're back, you are my favorite game reviewer!
Keep up the awesome work, much thanks and respect from Brazil!
Thank you for the kind words, man!
16:49 i never realized how horribly animated this was
Something I've always loved about your content is how differently we percieve these games, but you present your topic so well that I'm fully able to see and admire your perspective. Can't wait to see more, fam.
"And may this mark a new era for the channel, with more consistent uploads to come"
Funniest joke you've ever made
Consistently spaced out
Honestly the ring system as it is is mostly fine Imo, just that the game does a poor job of scattering them and making them losable to clifs or rough terrain
Same for launching Sonic, but that's needed seeing as you could be unfairly punched off a cliff
honestly i don't even know why the ring system still exists in the 3d games,there is plenty of room to dodge and see obstacles,and cheap design isn't nearly as much of a issue.
@@luisjogos821 Rings still exist as currency in most 3D games, letting you purchase unlock angles when you reach a certain amount.
So happy you’re back. I didn’t catch the link on Twitter but I got the notification on my phone and watched this. Was looking forward to it since you mentioned it on Twitter and the MMX streams a lot. This was awesome! I still really like your writing and analysis and I think you gave SA1 a very fair look, like you did with Sonic 1, 2 and 3D Blast.
Loved the X7 and GG jabs btw
This must be living in dark times if rz is uploading a video on his channel.
In any case, I'm glad to hear you come back with a game that really defined my childhood. Love your retrospects my dude.
Your review style and scripting was already excellent, but this certainly felt like another leap forward in quality. Looking forward to seeing what else you've got in store for us.
I always look forward to your reviews on popular titles that I also enjoy. The intricacies of each detail you cover is always spot on. It's so.... ahhh!!
Welcome back
Thank you! Glad I could deliver. :)
i could imagine if chaos got the 7th emerald on the egg carrier, he could take over the ship and replace the cockpit tower with perfect chaos, then having something similar to the sky chase boss mixed with the final boss, dodging attacks and reaching perfect chaos and damaging it, before being flung away
Is it intentional that this review is the exact same length as JedTube’s SA review? 1:04:19 on the dot.
It is not, but we were both kinda shocked that was the case. It is a pure coincidence. You are the first one to catch that, though, so good eye!
When the world needed him most, he dissapeared.
Where did you go? We miss you.
He got lazy and doesn't want to put effort into content anymore.
7:26 this is why I greatly appreciate when people who are actually COMPETENT at video games...review video games. I'm sick of ppl complaining about Sonic's gameplay when their deaths and fumblings are their own fault. Everything about Sonic's core physics/control & mechanics etc as you display is beautifully solid and I wanna pull my eyes out when I hear trolling "reviewers" and commenters crucify it nowadays. Sadly the rest of the game/story isn't structured well at all...but most importantly Sega nailed Sonic's gameplay on the 1st attempt (the same way Nintendo nailed Mario's 3D gameplay on the 1st attempt) and that alone deserves respect, his action stages are timeless fun.
Would you kindly provide an example of one of the reviewers you're referring to?
@@danielbetancourt1483 by "reviewers" I'm also referring to other RUclipsrs, and plenty have bashed the game for the wrong reasons. Projared, Spawnwave, losers on whatculture gaming, all sorts of commenters from everywhere, do I really need to explain this to you? It's popular to hate on this series.
@@retrosoul8770 Yes you really have to.
@@retrosoul8770 what do you think of the runaway guys letsplay on it?
Knuckles and tails are done well
He's back you guys, haha....
forrealthopleaseohmygodareyoustillalive
Great work, RZ. Loved the editing and the script was very concise, and presented a common take I've heard a lot with a different style so it feels fresh.
It’s regurgitation
Yeah, even though I love this game I can't deny it's very flawed, and the critiques here I can't exactly defend. Also, welcome back king.
Hawk Boy so is Mario 64 as a first attempt at 3D like sonic adventure. I hope the remake is great
@@sagecentral1809 When did I say anything about SM64 again? I think that SA1 is better than SM64, but both have their positives and negatives.
@@hawk6901 hopefully with he remake the dont make it terrible
"...And may this mark a new era for the channel with more consistent uploads to come."
Me: Oh man... So according to this, in 7 more months a new video will come, I didn't know what you meant by that beforehand.
Leaving that aside, of course, I have no idea of what's happening, but take care anyways in the meantime.
I loved this video and your channel as a whole, and you gave me a good chuckle when you mentioned X7.
ngl, i really want a Knuckles collectathon where they flesh out his gameplay style into his own spin-off title
Knuckles seeing Gamma at Red Mountain isn't an inconsistency since this takes place after his Emerald Coast, as Big follows him into the Egg Carrier. We aren't shown this because Gamma is having a vision in the meantime.
That doesn't really make sense, though? Gamma has no reason to be at Red Mountain after Emerald Coast. Why would he be there? You also don't see Froggy in Gamma's hands in Knuckles' campaign, neither do you see Big following Gamma.
Actually, fair enough. I misremembered the layout of the field.
@@RetropolisZone To be fair, both the Red Mountain entrance and Gamma's flashback after Emerald Coast are near the Emerald Altar. It's possible Gamma was teleported there by Tikal, since that happens to Knuckles after his Lost World stage...not sure where Big is during all this, though (would've been hilarious to see Big chasing after Gamma in Knuckles' story).
If I recall correctly, after Gamma's flashback he spawns on the Egg Carrier. So there was never any time for him to be near Red Mountain.
I just wanted to post and say wow, I am amazed that your look at Sonic Adventure is this long. This is amazing and I know this must have taken you a long time and a lot of work. Enjoying it! Thanks so much and wish you the best.
That Halloween sounding egg carrier theme gives me intense nostalgia for late 99! It reminds me why I still game in my 30s
Don’t you dare touch my crack cocaine sa1 spin dash. I need it
WELCOME BACK!
I MISSED UR CONTENT < 3
I like the shift in your writing style, it's especially noticeable in comparision to the X7 or the Jak and Daxter video.
Glad you noticed it! I have been making an effort to improve the pacing of and streamline my scripts.
3 months late, but I'm so happy to see you back. :) Your reviews are excellent, regardless of length. Will definitely tune in to more in the future.
I have watched so many of your videos/reviews and I have to say it is great to see you back! Thank you for this video but thank you for this more in-depth look with both positives AND negatives! I hope all is well for you!!
Sonic Adventure is like that one Toy you played with so much that you broken it so many times, yet you still love it to this day.
I'm really enjoyed with your review of Wonder Boy / Monster World games, it make me think that you should cover them all if have any chance especially the recent game in the series Monster Boy & the Cursed Kingdom.
But I'm more happy you came back after long time. Welcome back, Retropolis!
I have to agree and disagree with your assessment. Your retrospective definitely brings back memories of frustrations and jankiness that had me envisioning what a more fixed version of Adventure would look like. However, this game is greater than the sum of its parts. It was something truly special back in the time of its release, flaws and all. I say that as someone who is a harsh critic, even in the face of some of the harsh criticisms I saw Adventure get when it was originally released.
And while it's absolutely a testament to a game's greatness if it holds up decades after its release, I don't think every game must meet that same criteria. Adventure merits its place in history and is important enough for what it did at that time not to need proving itself against 2020 standards.
True.
Glad you can disagree without being hostile about it. Much appreciated. :)
You nailed it bro
Disappointing when a fondly remembered childhood game doesn't hold up as an adult. Then again, it makes the games that have stood the test of time even sweeter.
Sonic youtubers need to see this
Hey, you kinda promised making a video about the sonic mobile remakes after you finished sonic 1, 2 and CD, that you have made already
I love Sonic Adventure. I play the Dreamcast version, Gamecube version, Xbox version, and Steam version (with mods). This game isn't even among my favorite Sonic games, but I have a lot of respect for this game, and it's a lot of fun.
The constant switching between the DX and DC versions just makes me notice that DX looks even worse then i already thought before, wow
I didn't click because of Sonic, I clicked because of Retropolis Zone!
Me too!
I played this For The First Time In 2016, I Really Enjoyed It ( No Nostalgia Involved ), My Only Problem Was Big's Campaign, The Fishing Worked Fine But It's Just So Much Different From The Rest Of The Game, It Feels Like a Minigame
Man, there is way too much extra effort here capitalizing the start of every word lmao
It's funny, I just watched your Sonic Adventure review for the first time yesterday. Watching this one will be a great way to see how far you've come! Lol.
This is probably the only SA1 Review that I can understand why someone wouldn't like the game. I look forward to your next Review, RZ.
Holy shit I just found this channel so like
1. You definitely got me as a fan boy here but you deserve WAY more attention. Like may 100k subs here like how the hell ain't you getting views with these great ass reviews. I just don't understand
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy the review so much. I think the relatively low number of subscribers and views has to do with my lack of consistent uploads. I simply don't put out enough videos.
36:27 That delivery makes me chuckle every time. x)
Anyone of the opinion that SA1's character animations aren't that bad, I urge you to stand up right now and perform an experiment: Look at Amy's idle standing animation loop, and try to physically imitate it as accurately as you can. Or maybe Sonic's action pose idle standing animation loop. Then come back and tell me how incredibly awkward that was, and that you understand now. x)
10:58 THIS, THIS, THIS. This is the main reason the Adventure series and Heroes will always be the pinnacle of 3D sonic. The worlds and levels felt so cohesive and alive, despite the massive difference in visual fidelity between them and modern titles. Boost was fun while it lasted, but there is simply no way to match that level of world building when your movement and controls are restricted. In the Adventure era titles, there was always some sort of unique twist and turn that shook up gameplay, but without changing anything about the controls. Air fans, Bridge rails, chase sequence, anything. This design philosophy carries over between literally every playstyle from every one of those games, BARRING Big the Cat sections from adventure 1. As for what I meant about cohesive, even though the general settings between Adventure 1, 2 and Heroes are very different, within each game is a self contained, cohesive world, i.e the level and area settings may change as the story progresses, but the general aesthetics and atmosphere remain. For example, you progress from City Escape to Final Rush in a logical, and meaningful way throughout the story of SA2. Same deal with Seaside Hill to Final Fortress. There's logical progression from place to place, and it all fits together. Can't say the same for modern 3D games, where you can go from (death machine factory > candy land mountain > Sky temple > Insert Mario world trope here) with zero rhyme or reason. You could get away with this in 2D titles back in the Genesis era, but even Mania managed to make some sort of cohesive progression.
Unleashed is the only boost/modern title to not really run into many of the problems I mentioned, mostly because Unleashed felt like the last time Sonic Team really tried to make a believable world, and also for the fact that Unleashed is still the best boost game, and a massive landmark moment for video game visuals. On the other hand, titles like Colors, and ESPECIALLY Lost world are MASSIVE offenders in all of these regards.
I feel like you focused way to much on story and themes than actual solid gameplay
@@jaxxxx1984 And I feel you're the kind of person who doesn't even care about Sonic games' story if its not Eggman bad, stahp him
SkyVR i mean i care but not as much to rate an entire 1 to 10 score out of an entire game out of it. If the gameplays solid that's what I consider top notch. Stories r just icing on the cake
@@jaxxxx1984 nailed it. A bad story can be skipped (hopefully), bad gameplay can't
@@Sukaiba69 Kind of a thinly veiled straw man, don’t you think?
YES!!!!!! FINALLY A SONIC ADVENTURE REVIEW!!!!!!!! AFTER SO LONG!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
A worthy return indeed. Welcome back!
Thanks!
at 6:17, you have to look for the "Rhythm Medallion", not the jet anklet. The jet anklet is found in the sewers of Station Square.
It may be flawed, but I love Sonic Adventure.
Hey, man! Glad to see you have made a return, and with such an awesome video. I actually went through and re-watched all of your QDCI videos, finishing them all very recently. In my opinion, you have always put out high-quality content. In fact, I feel that even your earliest videos could be released today and stand among your more recent content. I will say, though, you significantly improved upon your original video with this one! Keep up the good work, and congrats on your channel's 5-Year Anniversary!
43:10 well Chaos 6 could only be harmed after being frozen. Something unlikely to be possible in the current Situation.
But I do agree that it contains lots of BS since the cutscene implies Chaos Zero took down Knuckles and it’s never explained why Angel Island fell
Dooood, I have missed your reviews so much! Glad to have you back in action!
'... other times they put up no fight and are practically begging to be on your lap...'
So glad you’re back, Mike! Looking forward to SA2!
I’m happy you came
What the fuck? I didn't know Amy's theme was so...explicit.
Happy to see you back. I hope you don't disappear again!
P.S. R.I.P. Sonic Advenjure
Incredible video as always. Glad to see you back!
RZ is back! Awesome video!
13:12 if you get all the emblem you can get bonus games like the sonic 1 game gear and sonic blast
"Why fixed what wasn't broken"
Sonic Adventure 2 in a Nutshell
37:45 straight funny af welcome back
Up next: Sonic The Hedgehog 3 Review
Bet
Glad to see you back. X marathon was a ride and a half though.
All that and the entire game didn't even need more than 2 discs to contain all its contents
I guess DreamCast disks > PS1 discs. Maybe Square should've made FF7, 8, and 9 on the DreamCast instead.
45:55
Do you consider Megaman X a platformer ?
I'd say Megaman X4 was pretty ambitious with it's story too, not that it was done well but it also came during the 90s
I suppose Mega Man X4, as well, yeah. Although I wouldn't say it's as elaborate as Klonoa or Sonic Adventure.
Yeah it wasn't long as those two nor did it have many perspectives as Adventure, but it was unexpected to see a platformer *trying* to deal with gray morality in war and sense of purpose
I agree, it was clearly a little more involved than most other platformers. I could've included it here, but I guess it just didn't come to mind.
No problem man, not everyone is a Megaman fanatic and the gameplay is what truly ends up selling X4, arguably the same goes for Adventure, i wish i could skip the cutscenes in the Dreamcast version
Please come back.
Wow, you did such an amazing job here going through the game. I love it. You nailed why I enjoy Sonic's adventure specifically, and for some reason the studio completely forsook all of the good parts never to be seen again :/
Honestly it does kinda hurt that seeing the slight variations on the different PoVs of the same events is one of the things I like _most_ about this game's presentation, and that's exactly what you complain about a lot.
1:02:00 did you say.. BURN!? BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND! BUR- BURN BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND! BUR- BURN BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND! BUR- BURN BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND! BUR- BURN BURN TO THE GROUND! BURN TO THE- BURN TO THE GROUND!
One thing you forgot to mention is how Amy turns into Sonic whenever she goes specifically up specifically on stairs.
The physics in this game deeefinitely work as intended... yes... xD
You’re finally back!!!!!
What a nice surprise, welcome back!
Yeah, I had a pretty good challenge with knuckles stages, I feel like Tikal was made for the new guys.
FINALLY!!!!!! A VIDEO AFTER A MONTH!!!!!!!
20:35 It's not *technically* exclusive to Tails...Sonic is also capable of getting into Sand Hill with an extremely well-timed and precise spindash from the minigame's cave entrance in Mystic Ruins. And while Knuckles is capable of reaching the ledge, the button that opens the minigame is not present for him or any other character - it's only there for Tails and also Sonic for some reason. I know this is completely beside the point though.
I didn’t know you could get it with Sonic. I may have to give it a try now.
Sonic Adventure is a great game, even if it isn’t perfect, it’s still one of the best sonic games.
I love Sonic Adventure very much but you're comment really bummed me out thinking about the state of the Sonic franchise that this is one of the best ones.
@@TimAllen624 To be fair when it comes to story theming and level design (primarily Sonic’s) Adventure is one of the best. Still a very flawed game that you can’t call amazing because come on, but even then it has a lot of aspects to it that are on average more well executed or had more thought put into them than a lot of the newer games. Passion doesn’t make a glitchy game good of course but it’s still an important factor (and also it hurts more if it looks like the devs didn’t even try).
Happy to see you back
dude welcome back!!, hope your leave refreshed you and looking forward to anything you have planned in the future. by the way are you going to tackle
sonic 3 and knuckles as you've covered all the other megadrive sonic games and i think your followers and subscribers would definitely dig that.
I will probably do Sonic 3 someday, but that game is intimidating to me. There's a lot to cover there.
@@RetropolisZone well regardless we all love you and will support all your life decisions you
make public, also your probably my favorite youtuber just thought you should know that :)
Bravo, you're back!!!!👏👏👏
I’m halfway into the video..... and this video has opened my eyes to some of the game’s major flaws and i’m a bit sad Tails (my favorite sonic character) didn’t get better treatment in the stage design department, as much as i enjoy plainly playing and flying as Tails, but at least I have more to think about in relation to Sonic’s potential in this game.
Flash The Monkey It really is criminal that Adventure 1 and Heroes are the only 3D Sonic games TO THIS DAY to decently replicate Tails’s 2D gameplay because although flying in Adventure 1 is fun on its own, there’s not a Hell of a lot to do with it, and exploring/dicking around in the levels is inconvenient because of the racing gimmick, and you know what kind of game Heroes is. Tails is seriously the most gypped Sonic character ever.
I was just thinking about this game earlier today, and then this video shows up in my feed... I think RUclips is reading my thoughts
Missed you!!
Funny, I just finished SADX an hour ago
I'm surprised you didn't mention how Deem Bristow sounded like he was yelling into a toilet for his lines.
6:15
Correction: Tails' Rhythm Badge is in the ancient Echidna tribe area.
I would love to hear your opinion on the Resident Evil series "Quickies Don't Cut it" style. Thanks for popping up on my subscriptions feed again Sir!
The tiny chao garden is your friend if you have the GameCube SADX, a GBA/link cable and sonic advance or sonic advance 2 (after unlocking the garden, use tails). Raise your chao there, at lv99 a baby chao will beat everything.
3:16 EXCUSE ME?
Quickies Don't Cut It: Jak II.
Someday, for sure.
Retropolis Zone Rivaling godfather trilogy for the most in depth story
Taha Mohammad Uhh, how?
Beta 511ee I was making a joke about how long the jak 2 review would be considering how long his review of the first game was
Still waitin on that Ape Escape 3 review😔 Still, missed your videos welcome back man!
Would you look forward to an adventure remake if it were announced? Or do you think that the issues with the game are great enough that a remake, even if it overhauled a lot of the worse parts of the game, wouldn't be able to fix it?
Sonic Adventure would be a hard game to remake: change too much and you'll piss off the fans of the original, but fail to change enough and I think it is guaranteed to get panned. I'd personally prefer them to reimagine it Resident Evil 2 style, because the game is too problematic and flawed to just give a few quality life of improvements and fixes and make it work again. Like, you can't just scrap characters, since that'd be losing a core aspect of what made Sonic Adventure. At the same time, could they really make all six characters feel much more substantial and worthwhile?
If they do announce an SA1 remake, I honestly wouldn't be excited. I don't have the faith in current Sonic Team to pull it off in a satisfying way. Hopefully they can prove me wrong, though, if it is happening. I'd love a triple A remake of SA1 on the upcoming generation of hardware, that completely blows the original out of the water.
@@RetropolisZone Part of me is imagining a Metroid: Zero Mission-styled remake where the structure is largely kept but gaps in the game design are filled; for example, you could make Tails' and Gamma's levels be longer and play with their abilities more (it'd be pretty cool to see Tails' Windy Valley have some sort of wind gimmick).
Whether or not the current Sonic Team could pull it off...I agree that I don't want to see the Sonic Team whose most recent game doesn't even give Sonic an idle animation remake a game where every character has a unique idle quote depending on their situation. On the other hand, I have heard that Sonic Team was restructured sometime in 2018, but I'm not certain.
@@RetropolisZone
"change too much and you'll piss off the fans of the original"
Not if the only changes are improvements of issues in the earlier versions with new levels to add.
@@CarloNassarYeah, but this fanbase probably wouldn’t agree on what constitutes “improvements” or not
@@technicallyinept2120
Well, maybe it's best not to worry about the fanbase in this case.
Chaos needs Froggy's tail to be complete
love your vids
Minor nitpick, but Sonic Adventure did not introduce the Homing Attack. Sonic 3D Blast did it first, albeit you needed the Blast Shield in order to use it.