I remember the hype with 360p vídeos and then came the.... High Quality .... 480p XD, most video websites was still using 240p while youtube started offering the 480p
I watched it several years ago when it first came out. Then I took an operating systems class and watched it again. Now I can understand the whole process! :)
The PS3 is like a Lamborghini with a 1 gallon tank. 256Mb System RAM (a quarter of Gigabyte) + 256 Mb Video RAM. More or less the specs I had on my PC in 2003. Let's say it's an unbalanced system: the cell unit is powerful, the rest is very limited. This because RAM was quite expensive until 2007. Also, he said wrong. Cell is an 8 core (not 9), but its architecture is not comparable to normal PC processors architecture.
Unfortunately sony disabled this feature and it’s only available for the original ps3s after you revert the firmware. The newer ps3s wont work, i have a ps3 slim unfortunately :(
@@Ramzi1944 probably because the margins on the consoles themselves aren't very high. They make more money on games. So they don't want to sell to people who aren't gonna buy games.
Yes, I read KaKaRoTo's blog. I really like his explanation of the ECDSA algorithm. Currently I am doing a graduate research paper on the PS3 System Architecture. :)
This made me think of those CL ads that they "will buy your non-working consoles". Usually an older PS3 runs just fine, they just stop reading disks or it's a fixable heat related issue. I wonder if it would be financially reasonable to collect the older 1st and 2nd gen PS3 refuse now, Beowulf them together, and make Tobor the Great machine intelligence to fight off Skynet.
Such an amazingly impressive side of the Old Console. and gosh did he truly cover every single proper question. its odd hearing or seeing these older videos where people speak on Linux so casually. Whilst less than 7% of people during 2015-2024 are currently using Linux as their day to day Operating system. it just proves furthermore how we need to be swapping from windows to linux. for your privacy sake. and your computers sake.
@purewolfgod1 They are completely independent processors. The PPE doesn't tell them what to do, it doesn't even need to be there in order for them to function.
Brave Bear obviously you didnt watch the video. a ps3 can be turned into a desktop pc.. it runs yellowdog linux. running wine on linux allaws you to run windows applications on linux. so yes you could play halo on it easy. you sir are the dumb ass
+Sykotik are you sure about that? im pretty sure it would be imcompatible due to halo being built for x86 processors and the ps3 is cell based. unless you can emulate x86 in the cell which i highly doubt
@henryhenriquez Cache isn't the same as local store. Cache isn't read/written to by the programmer. Local store is. The PPE isn't involved in SPE-initated DMA transfers. Resolution and framerate are mostly GPU-bound. But Cell isn't a good choice for a game console, but that doesn't take anything away from its raw processing abilities.
If memory is a factor or it requires double-precision floating point math then x86 is the way to go. If it can run in parallel with very little or no branching, then GPU is probably the best choice.
Well we've already gained access to the RSX by compromising the hypervisor. Nowadays you can use the RSX's VRAM as swap space which speeds up the OS. As for homebrew applications take a look at RSXGL, which is a port of OpenGL for the RSX. ;)
@henryhenriquez All the PPE needs to do is load the SPE program. Everything else is done by the SPE. The PPE is there for general purpose tasks like running the OS, house-keeping, etc. PPE and SPE have different instruction sets. They are not instruction set extensions on the PPE which (I think?) you're implying. They are separate processors with their own registers, instruction pointer, memory controllers, and even their own memory.
I think it was cool for the time dad I never owned a ps3 because the price tag was crazy.I own a ps5 today the price tag was decently decent.wish I could have a ability to see fps numbers drip or temp of the and zen 2.I skipped ps3 went over to Xbox360 got fed up then went back to ps4 then ps5 and Xbox series x.
At its time, the PS3 was a jump to the future, there were few systems of original PC hardware that actually held 1080p capable video cards. Sure you could easily change the hardware but not many started with that hardware. Can your starting PC from 5 years ago play Blu-Ray, hold 100 frames per second without lag, show 1080p and hold 320 gigabytes, and cost less than 800 dollars? Didn't think so. It's why you say it's 5 years old and now 5 years new bro.
This is what made me love the ps3. And I still like it more than ps5. For your info. Playstation 3 is 30 laptops. #sony please bring this feature to ps5
@NewLynxS Please give your definition of 'core'. If we consider a cores to be an independent processor, then the SPE's definitely are cores. It doesn't matter that they use a SIMD instruction set, and use local-store memory. They are entirely independent of each other and the PPU.
@henryhenriquez you seem to fail to realize that ps3 is a gaming console. it doesn't need more than 256mb of ram because nothing is going to use it. also once you get to 6gb, you're actually slowing down your system (assuming you're using single or dual channel). also, you're comparing a vector based cpu to a gpu. they're not alike - they perform different types of equations, which is why they're different architectures and named differently. you didn't even specify how many flops you get
@Palmer640 ps3 gpu is clocked at 550MHz, its ram is clocked at 700MHz, and that doesnt compare to modern gpu's. it has very very few shaders, most gpu comes with 100 times more
@mathhenr They are not cores in the terms of general CPU processing, but they are able to preform calculations essentially to the supercomputer, thus, still making them cores, in some essence, at least. If you want to be technical, yes, that's correct. PS3 fanboys will come and argue that they are full cores anyway, just because they like to see their system as an 8 core machine, not a 1 core machine.
1. It does today. 2. It upscales, and today there is about 100 games that are actually rendered legitimately at 1080p. 3. It has 320gb now (which I realize isn't a lot but for 250 dollars, that's a steal.) 4. It was released in 2007, which was 2 years after the Xbox360. (not that we're talking about the Xbox360, just making a point) 5. I don't really care about that. So, the verdict of my statement is that the PCs of today equals the PS3s of today. :) imo.
@N00bizme its the processor that makes it powerful, the ram itself isnt normal ram it uses xdr which can handle more than your standard ddr3. if you use multiple machines then you got yourself a cheap super computer setup.
Hm that's cool, I can use my home built gaming machine as a super computer as well. I can have multiple applications open, movies running, songs playing, games running, all on multiple monitors. I guess I'll just use my PC for now...
@Palmer640 XDR transfer at max 28GB/s, while dual channel DDR3 at 23GB/s, now triple channel is at 32GB/s, while the speed is 1333MHz, now at 1666MHz or at 2100MHz the XDR stands no chance, the ps3 cpu produces 200Gflops at max in single precision and 15Gflops at double, my gpu does way WAY MORE, then that
@Quintasaki im not jealous i have both systems.bluray gives u the ability to put more data on the disc, it does not mean every game will have better graphics then a 360 game. i dont care about wifi cuz i hard wire both of my systems even though i have wireless in my house.online features on 360 are better then ps3, u cant even chat with ur friends on ps3 if ur not in the game with them. i play all the time while in a chat with other ppl playing other games, watching tv or even playing ps3 games.
@scartillery no it has 1 core 8 SIMD, and SIMD arent cores, research it my friend.. 1 SIMD is shutdown during production for better yields, 1 is resereved for OS. and 24 ram is reserved for OS too. you should research what cores are...
@NewLynxS It really depends on the task. Even by todays standards Cell has high throughput for integer and single-precision floating-point operations. Memory is definitely a limiting factor though. If its an inherently divergent task and requires little memory and can be spread across multiple processors, a cluster of sub-$300 PS3's might not be a bad idea.
@NewLynxS Not true. There are many classes of problems where GPUs will not do well. If there are branches and divergence in the code, it will not run well on the GPU. GPUs are essentially very large SIMD processors. Even if one thread branches, the rest of the threads must stall so that 1 thread can run. This is why it is so exciting to see Intel's new Knights Corner: 50 x86 cores on a single chip.
oh yea and about the gpu thing idk what its called but the gpu library would need re written to run for other things its one thing that was stoping homebrew applications from going any further as the gpu was limited in what power it was giving
In the video at 1:50 he says that ps3 has 9 cores, that's not true. Ps3 has 1 core and 8 spes (smaller cores) everything in one processor. And one of the spe is disabled. The ps3 processor works by sending the information trough the core to the 7 spes.
@purewolfgod1 They are cores, but that doesn't mean they should be compared directly with PC processors. They perform different types of processing on different types of data.
its upscaled. go read native resolution. what you are seeing is 720 STRETCH out to fit 1080p. not real 1080p. just cuase 2 is 720p or less if i remember right...
i heard that the cell processor the ps3 uses is made for calculations and not so much for rendering or games and i guess thats why game developers had such a hard time trying to make games to run on the processor
dude battlefield runs fast on the ps3 and it's graphics are maxed out and it also has AA with no frame rate issues and it doesn't need any more power because it can handle games alot stronger !! thanks to the cell processor and the blu ray drive
I lol'd when the guy said he was surprised a lot people had never heard of Linux. Of course lots of people have never heard of Linux, 70% of computer users don't even know there are other OSes out there. They think Windows is the end-all-be-all of PCs.
@Palmer640 ps3 has 256MB xdr ram, and 256MB GDDR3 ram(GPU), so its mutch slower then avarage ddr3 in gaming pc. it has 1 core and 6 programable SPE. 32MB of the XDR ram is reserved for OS. all those are facts.
actually the blu ray helps in alot of things because it's ability to store around 50 GB on one disc !! and by saying maxed out i was refering to the textures and detail and the AA and it has only 30 frame rates because the game works on 30!!! the pc version is the same dude go check it out..and as you said they didn't make use of the whole cells in the ps3 because if they did the game would look identical to the pc, shit it's now identical !!
@mathhenr The cell was never intended to be the most powerful processor in the world. It was just intended to be able to process a lot of data at a reasonable price. My PS3 sometimes tends to lag a bit more when doing tasks compared to my 360. Considering that the 360 is only a 3 core processor, that doesn't say much for the cell. It became apparent that Sony included the cell in their PS3 to give their games a graphical boost rather than raw processing power, which is good for games, at least
FOR EVERYONE ASKING ABOUT PS2 GAMES ON PS3. ONLY THE 60-80 GB OLD PS3 COULD DO IT. The 20 (I think) and 40 don't support it. You have to go to the PSN store to Download a comparability pack so you can play it.
@henryhenriquez you're still missing the point - it has sufficient sdram and vram. yes, 256 of vram is pretty low, i think 512 would have been a better choice but it still works. you proved that the ram in ps3 was faster than ddr3 unless its in triple channel. i'm not sure where you got the info that only 1 core has access to the ram, because a cpu isn't functional without some sort of memory resource. even if that is true, its not designed like a normal x86 cpu
I do not own a PS3, however the definition of a supercomputer has nothing to do with it's calculative power, it's about the way it is set up. And as an old-school Unix expert I assure you, the PS3 can be used as a supercomputer. In fact, so can the commodore 64.
@NewLynxS But now you're arguing capabilities, not whether or not SPE's on the same piece of silicon are cores. True, the SPU is less versatile than an x86 processor, but it can still do the same tasks, just inefficiently. Just because the Cell processor is an asymmetric design doesn't mean the SPE's are not cores.
@MrLivinitup123 no it doesnt give you memory, it will use memory more efficiently. Are you talking about storage space(harddrive space) or memory(like RAM), storage space is NOT memory. You can connect a 2TB harddrive to a PS3.. I havent heard of people having multi TB memory platforms, but if so, it will be some sort of computing cluster. Red Hat 5.x (64bit) only supports 256GB of memory
@henryhenriquez *sigh* Each SPE is a separate core.. SPE's work independently. The only difference between the Cell chips in Roadrunner and the Cell chips in the PS3 is that the ones in Roadrunner have all 8 SPE's (PS3 has 6), and it has improved double-precision floating point performance (PowerXCell 8i variant). In terms of performance, the Cells in Roadrunner are 25% faster for single-precision floating-point, and 80% faster for double-precision floating-point.
@NewLynxS But you're not defining what a 'complete core' is. Going with your Sandy Bridge example, each core has its own execution units, register set, and APIC. Is that what defines a core? That's basically how its defined in Intel's docs (Intel 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developers Manual Volume 1 section 2.2.9). Each SPE also has its own execution units, register set, APIC, memory controller and local store.
@schmidtbag it has ONE CORE get that first. the 6 spe arent cores since they cant do anything by themselves, dont acces to ram, cant do integrer operation, can only do post procesing. 256MB isnt enough since a single gras texture in crysis is 3MB big, so you really need allot of memory. OS takes about 700MB of my ram but a game takes 2GB of it.
and also it's official that the ps3 supports open gl and that the open gl is far more powerful than direct x if you don't believe me it's official, check it in wikipedia and you can google it and do a comparison yourself
@NerdInHisShoe therefore it makes them inaccesible the ps3's motherboard wasnt specifically designed for supercomputing. mostly graphics. so these cores might be there, but they wont work as lets say... a intel core 2 quad. when it comes to placing a linux OS on one of these, its like using a netbook. its got power, just not that much.
No not 5 times, likely 3 or 4 times but then again 99% of the people who invest in any sort of similar system do way more than just game. The ps3 is solely for gaming and movie watching. While on home pcs you can do an infinite amount of things. Not to mention the Pc version of BF3 likely requires 5 times more horsepower to run. Kinda works out if you ask me.
The PS3 is $300, thats a pretty cheap alternative to a PC, especially with the PS3 games, Blu-ray, linux, etc. A $300 PC will just enable you to use the operating system, and not too many games.
@NewLynxS That is irrelevant the XDR ram in the PS3 is FAST and core's and threads are different YES but the point still remains the more software threads you can run in parallel at the same time Weather thats in a CPU or GPU the BETTER, it means you can have higher quality textures more Polygons just more and better everything, and neither the xbox or PS3 have GDDR5 they both use GDDR3.
Consoles and PCs are fundamentally the same, both functioning as computers. You cannot compare gaming between them. If you think gaming is about graphical output or how well games run and pushing your limits, then you're wrong. Playing a game on a console and the PC will show you the gameplay remains the same, crappy or not. To me the only difference is the skillset. The controllers are different (but even that can be emulated.)
@henryhenriquez Oh yes, and lastly [comments are too short] it is 512 MB of XDR ram. This is information from Sony themselves, plus I've taken my PS3 apart and investigated it several times.
@chorinicpker Even then, the main problem with the cell is that the code has to be written specifically for it. It's not like the difference between a PPC and a x86_64, where all you need to do is recompile the code to have it work on the different architecture. You can recompile linux to work on the cell, but it will only take advantage of the PPE, the SPE will not be used by any application on linux, because they are not regular 'cores' like the PPE.
On March 28 2010, Sony announced it would be disabling the ability to run other operating system with the v3.21 update, due to security concerns about OtherOS.
With 500 TFLOPS its very decent. And if they had built it with off the shelf computer parts it would had cost 90% more. So I think it was a good choice.
@henryhenriquez Well that's innaccurate. The ram is 2x256 XDR RAM which = 512 XDR... I'm talking about MAIN RAM and the CPU, not VRAM, like you are. 2x256MB XDR Main RAM The GPU is locked out for when you have and "Other OS" installed on it, but it's still usable... It doesn't LET you use it when hooked up to another OS. Not to mention the GPU can access CPU RAM if needed.
@NewLynxS I am aware of this but the fact that i was trying to state in the first place still remains the Cell Broadband engine in the PS3 can still run 8 software threads in parallel but because the RSX chip isnt really that powerful 300+ core GPU, mid range amount of cores has 256MB of GDDR3 memory and another 256 in XDR memory, XDR is very quick but there isn't much of it so the GPU is still rather bad, so because not all threads are used in the CPU it also does some of the Vertex stitching.
For the fact that it's not a computer alone makes it a Supercomputer. Supercomputer = computer and more. computer = computer. Which one is the ps3 of those two choices?
@TheSyncImage dude, no one would wanna run an os on an xbox :') hardware coulnt kill a fly nevermind run a decent os , the ps3 was designed for this to be possible, witch is a great design feature and one which no other games console could manage.
@henryhenriquez So what you're saying is 256 XDR ram is less than 256 DDR2/DDR3? Yes it is. And yes 3.2 GHz. is true. Even IF it wasn't, say, compare it to one of my home PC's processor. This one only has 2.3 GHz Dual core, if the PS3 had 2.3 with 8 cores, it's still a pretty fast system... However, it's not only 2.3! it's a 128 bit 3.2 GHz octocore PPC processor. If it wasn't 3.2 octocore, it wouldn't be 128 bit. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about...
Don't get me wrong, I own PS3 and I Love it. I was referring to the RAM [256MB]. Comparing it to an average PC with 2GB or more... The HD is important, especially when we talk about paging intense scenarios; however, the speed of a drive RPM's is very significant factor in the overall performance of the system. PS3 rocks, but as a base for software development system and being called "super computer" is far out from the truth "in my opinion". Anyway, PS3 rocks as a gaming system :-)
@NewLynxChannel It does change much. You're not taking into account the SIMD capabilities of the SPU. MIPS alone is a poor measurement of performance, especially these days when things are going parallel.
@mathhenr the truth is, noone has seen a ps3 in use to its max potential, you see, developers arent programming games yet that take advantage of all the CORES on the processor. ill give you an example, its like having a dual core processor and only running single core apps on it. you see the apps arent taking advantage of that extra core cause they werent written to. i hope you can understand this simple analogy.
@fyiiamthetf2fan PS2 backwards compatibility was DISCONTINUED in the PS3 just like PS1 backwards compatibility was. The PS3 did have software for PS2 games(and PS1) but not the newer and better Models which also took away Multiple Operating Systems
Depends on what games you have in mind. If you want to play Freecell, then you can easily do that with a windows virtual machine (or Wine, if they have a PPC architecture release, which I think they do). But if you're trying to play Crysis and use your PS3 to the fullest that you can, you're not going to be able to due to the amount that Sony's locked it down. They don't allow you to use the graphics acceleration, meaning that you're not going to be able to play awesome looking games. :\
That is, if there's a VMWare binary for PPC Linux. Even then it'd be running in interpreted mode, not virtualized mode. It'll just be unusably slow, and you'd only be able to allocate maybe 400MB of RAM to it, which is well below Windows 7's recommended specs... you might be able to run windows 2000 reasonably wekk, though! :p
2020 Kids will Never Know what 240p was..
Proud Owner Of Original PS3 Piano Black
I’m 15 years late to this video
I remember the hype with 360p vídeos and then came the.... High Quality .... 480p XD, most video websites was still using 240p while youtube started offering the 480p
@@AlguienEnSuCasa Around what year was that?
@@AlguienEnSuCasa Aproximadamente en qué año fué eso?
Bruh its 2024 where you at ?
You might do belong to the another timeline
I watched it several years ago when it first came out. Then I took an operating systems class and watched it again. Now I can understand the whole process! :)
@Preston Ak 7 years ago. Goddamn I am getting old lol D:
Relys yeah :(
Wouldn't expect self answer after 7 YEARS!!!
Hi! As a self-study student, I hope that one day, I could understand this video
@@MrRelys 10 yrs ago. Everyone is getting old
The PS3 is like a Lamborghini with a 1 gallon tank. 256Mb System RAM (a quarter of Gigabyte) + 256 Mb Video RAM. More or less the specs I had on my PC in 2003. Let's say it's an unbalanced system: the cell unit is powerful, the rest is very limited. This because RAM was quite expensive until 2007. Also, he said wrong. Cell is an 8 core (not 9), but its architecture is not comparable to normal PC processors architecture.
yeahh ,lambo at that time
+Uomo Magnete Minus That's funny, because my Dell Dimension 2400 from '03 has more RAM than the PS3. (2GB)
+Isiah Folio (Asdfguy86) xdr ram is expensive af
Darrel Und Not really. 2gb of DDR ram was 2 dollars when I bought it. TWO. DOLLARS.
ps3 ram was sony total misprediction ,and i mean not a DDR but a XDR (Rambus)
Unfortunately sony disabled this feature and it’s only available for the original ps3s after you revert the firmware. The newer ps3s wont work, i have a ps3 slim unfortunately :(
Why do you think they did that?
to save money and they got sued for it. but I think there is a way to bring this feature back by installing custom firmware on ur ps3@@Ramzi1944
Just give it some dev mods and your good to go 😅
@@Ramzi1944 probably because the margins on the consoles themselves aren't very high. They make more money on games. So they don't want to sell to people who aren't gonna buy games.
@@BeaSTly_Kiila lol I gotta look into that
Yes, I read KaKaRoTo's blog. I really like his explanation of the ECDSA algorithm. Currently I am doing a graduate research paper on the PS3 System Architecture. :)
sounds very interesting! can I read it?
I know it's been 10 years but, did you graduate?
I know its been 11 years but can i read the research ?
Who are watching this video in 2018
Nope.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k no one watching haha. absolute wonderful
nah mate im a had of ya 2020 baby
I are 😉
2020
The Cell Broadband Engine!
240p HI RES?
The new 4K Ultra HD.
@Preston Ak UHD stands for Ultra HD
Gamebox. Thats what im calling all consoles now.
Legendary video from a bygone golden era
This made me think of those CL ads that they "will buy your non-working consoles". Usually an older PS3 runs just fine, they just stop reading disks or it's a fixable heat related issue.
I wonder if it would be financially reasonable to collect the older 1st and 2nd gen PS3 refuse now, Beowulf them together, and make Tobor the Great machine intelligence to fight off Skynet.
im posting this reply from skynet. loljk
The PS3 is actually a supercomputer in the US Army..
Was...
@@davidfaisca3967 is* (that comment was from 8 year ago)
@@EricCartman056 i know, i'm not stupid, I was just updating that comment...
I thought this was awesome until i saw the upload date...
Who else is wathcing this in 2021? ;)
Lol me!
@henryhenriquez Actually SPU is the term IBM uses to describe the core of the SPE. The SPE is the SPU + memory controller.
Hopefully this breaks linux more into the main stream :D
same
Woow it's been 10 years....2017
yes man i am running my ps3 as a server and now it's 13 years old an working !
That means that The cell broadband engine will kick intel core i7 ass :D
NICE LOL
(Intel inside: Idiots outside)
Such an amazingly impressive side of the Old Console. and gosh did he truly cover every single proper question.
its odd hearing or seeing these older videos where people speak on Linux so casually.
Whilst less than 7% of people during 2015-2024 are currently using Linux as their day to day Operating system.
it just proves furthermore how we need to be swapping from windows to linux. for your privacy sake.
and your computers sake.
@purewolfgod1 They are completely independent processors. The PPE doesn't tell them what to do, it doesn't even need to be there in order for them to function.
LOL.
Never use "High end"
And
"ICBM"
In the same sentence.
the old ps3. was MUCH better
But can it play Halo?
Trevor Lewis Whit Wine, yes, you can.
David Andrade u dumb ass u carnt play halo on ps3
Brave Bear obviously you didnt watch the video. a ps3 can be turned into a desktop pc.. it runs yellowdog linux. running wine on linux allaws you to run windows applications on linux. so yes you could play halo on it easy. you sir are the dumb ass
+Sykotik are you sure about that? im pretty sure it would be imcompatible due to halo being built for x86 processors and the ps3 is cell based. unless you can emulate x86 in the cell which i highly doubt
Halo 1, Sure thing!
Halo 1's minimum specs are:
128MB RAM
32MB GPU
733MHZ Pentium 3
@henryhenriquez Cache isn't the same as local store. Cache isn't read/written to by the programmer. Local store is.
The PPE isn't involved in SPE-initated DMA transfers.
Resolution and framerate are mostly GPU-bound. But Cell isn't a good choice for a game console, but that doesn't take anything away from its raw processing abilities.
Lmao Cell was not chosen to be on the PS3!!!!! It was Made for the PS3!!!!!!!!!
If memory is a factor or it requires double-precision floating point math then x86 is the way to go. If it can run in parallel with very little or no branching, then GPU is probably the best choice.
hats off to ibm seriously for getting sony to help make cell processor wish people programed with more
Well we've already gained access to the RSX by compromising the hypervisor. Nowadays you can use the RSX's VRAM as swap space which speeds up the OS. As for homebrew applications take a look at RSXGL, which is a port of OpenGL for the RSX. ;)
@henryhenriquez All the PPE needs to do is load the SPE program. Everything else is done by the SPE.
The PPE is there for general purpose tasks like running the OS, house-keeping, etc.
PPE and SPE have different instruction sets. They are not instruction set extensions on the PPE which (I think?) you're implying. They are separate processors with their own registers, instruction pointer, memory controllers, and even their own memory.
This was in 2007 unfortunately sony screwed this up.
@henryhenriquez SPE's are cores. They can access RAM through DMA. They work independently of the PPE.
@steavedaver i'm not doubting that, the Cell processor is over 2.5x faster (on avg) then the fastest core i7,
it is sick..
@IGranturismo It uses more than one core.
It specifically saves one core for security for the hypervisor
I think it was cool for the time dad I never owned a ps3 because the price tag was crazy.I own a ps5 today the price tag was decently decent.wish I could have a ability to see fps numbers drip or temp of the and zen 2.I skipped ps3 went over to Xbox360 got fed up then went back to ps4 then ps5 and Xbox series x.
At its time, the PS3 was a jump to the future, there were few systems of original PC hardware that actually held 1080p capable video cards.
Sure you could easily change the hardware but not many started with that hardware. Can your starting PC from 5 years ago play Blu-Ray, hold 100 frames per second without lag, show 1080p and hold 320 gigabytes, and cost less than 800 dollars? Didn't think so.
It's why you say it's 5 years old and now 5 years new bro.
This is what made me love the ps3. And I still like it more than ps5. For your info. Playstation 3 is 30 laptops. #sony please bring this feature to ps5
Linus just brought me here. 2020.
Hey it's Cameron from Ferris Beuller's Day Off!
@NewLynxS Please give your definition of 'core'. If we consider a cores to be an independent processor, then the SPE's definitely are cores. It doesn't matter that they use a SIMD instruction set, and use local-store memory. They are entirely independent of each other and the PPU.
@henryhenriquez
you seem to fail to realize that ps3 is a gaming console. it doesn't need more than 256mb of ram because nothing is going to use it. also once you get to 6gb, you're actually slowing down your system (assuming you're using single or dual channel). also, you're comparing a vector based cpu to a gpu. they're not alike - they perform different types of equations, which is why they're different architectures and named differently. you didn't even specify how many flops you get
@Palmer640 ps3 gpu is clocked at 550MHz, its ram is clocked at 700MHz, and that doesnt compare to modern gpu's.
it has very very few shaders, most gpu comes with 100 times more
@mathhenr They are not cores in the terms of general CPU processing, but they are able to preform calculations essentially to the supercomputer, thus, still making them cores, in some essence, at least.
If you want to be technical, yes, that's correct.
PS3 fanboys will come and argue that they are full cores anyway, just because they like to see their system as an 8 core machine, not a 1 core machine.
1. It does today.
2. It upscales, and today there is about 100 games that are actually rendered legitimately at 1080p.
3. It has 320gb now (which I realize isn't a lot but for 250 dollars, that's a steal.)
4. It was released in 2007, which was 2 years after the Xbox360. (not that we're talking about the Xbox360, just making a point)
5. I don't really care about that.
So, the verdict of my statement is that the PCs of today equals the PS3s of today. :) imo.
@N00bizme its the processor that makes it powerful, the ram itself isnt normal ram it uses xdr which can handle more than your standard ddr3. if you use multiple machines then you got yourself a cheap super computer setup.
Hm that's cool, I can use my home built gaming machine as a super computer as well. I can have multiple applications open, movies running, songs playing, games running, all on multiple monitors. I guess I'll just use my PC for now...
nerozero2009 playstation 3 is only trying to be a all in one entertainment box & it's doing a pretty dam good job of living up to it so far all.
@Palmer640 XDR transfer at max 28GB/s, while dual channel DDR3 at 23GB/s,
now triple channel is at 32GB/s, while the speed is 1333MHz, now at 1666MHz or at 2100MHz the XDR stands no chance,
the ps3 cpu produces 200Gflops at max in single precision and 15Gflops at double, my gpu does way WAY MORE, then that
@Quintasaki im not jealous i have both systems.bluray gives u the ability to put more data on the disc, it does not mean every game will have better graphics then a 360 game. i dont care about wifi cuz i hard wire both of my systems even though i have wireless in my house.online features on 360 are better then ps3, u cant even chat with ur friends on ps3 if ur not in the game with them. i play all the time while in a chat with other ppl playing other games, watching tv or even playing ps3 games.
@scartillery no it has 1 core 8 SIMD, and SIMD arent cores, research it my friend..
1 SIMD is shutdown during production for better yields, 1 is resereved for OS.
and 24 ram is reserved for OS too.
you should research what cores are...
Cool, semi-related fact: the 33rd largest supercomputer is actually 1760 PS3s combined. The Air Force decided to put it together.
@NewLynxS It really depends on the task. Even by todays standards Cell has high throughput for integer and single-precision floating-point operations. Memory is definitely a limiting factor though. If its an inherently divergent task and requires little memory and can be spread across multiple processors, a cluster of sub-$300 PS3's might not be a bad idea.
@NewLynxS Not true. There are many classes of problems where GPUs will not do well. If there are branches and divergence in the code, it will not run well on the GPU. GPUs are essentially very large SIMD processors. Even if one thread branches, the rest of the threads must stall so that 1 thread can run. This is why it is so exciting to see Intel's new Knights Corner: 50 x86 cores on a single chip.
oh yea and about the gpu thing idk what its called but the gpu library would need re written to run for other things its one thing that was stoping homebrew applications from going any further as the gpu was limited in what power it was giving
In the video at 1:50 he says that ps3 has 9 cores, that's not true. Ps3 has 1 core and 8 spes (smaller cores) everything in one processor. And one of the spe is disabled.
The ps3 processor works by sending the information trough the core to the 7 spes.
@purewolfgod1 They are cores, but that doesn't mean they should be compared directly with PC processors. They perform different types of processing on different types of data.
its upscaled. go read native resolution. what you are seeing is 720 STRETCH out to fit 1080p.
not real 1080p.
just cuase 2 is 720p or less if i remember right...
i heard that the cell processor the ps3 uses is made for calculations and not so much for rendering or games and i guess thats why game developers had such a hard time trying to make games to run on the processor
It really is 9 cores, they are 9 independent processors. Although, users and developers only get access to 7 of them.
dude battlefield runs fast on the ps3 and it's graphics are maxed out and it also has AA with no frame rate issues and it doesn't need any more power because it can handle games alot stronger !! thanks to the cell processor and the blu ray drive
I lol'd when the guy said he was surprised a lot people had never heard of Linux. Of course lots of people have never heard of Linux, 70% of computer users don't even know there are other OSes out there. They think Windows is the end-all-be-all of PCs.
@Palmer640 ps3 has 256MB xdr ram, and 256MB GDDR3 ram(GPU), so its mutch slower then avarage ddr3 in gaming pc.
it has 1 core and 6 programable SPE.
32MB of the XDR ram is reserved for OS.
all those are facts.
actually the blu ray helps in alot of things because it's ability to store around 50 GB on one disc !! and by saying maxed out i was refering to the textures and detail and the AA and it has only 30 frame rates because the game works on 30!!! the pc version is the same dude go check it out..and as you said they didn't make use of the whole cells in the ps3 because if they did the game would look identical to the pc, shit it's now identical !!
@mathhenr The cell was never intended to be the most powerful processor in the world. It was just intended to be able to process a lot of data at a reasonable price.
My PS3 sometimes tends to lag a bit more when doing tasks compared to my 360. Considering that the 360 is only a 3 core processor, that doesn't say much for the cell.
It became apparent that Sony included the cell in their PS3 to give their games a graphical boost rather than raw processing power, which is good for games, at least
FOR EVERYONE ASKING ABOUT PS2 GAMES ON PS3. ONLY THE 60-80 GB OLD PS3 COULD DO IT. The 20 (I think) and 40 don't support it. You have to go to the PSN store to Download a comparability pack so you can play it.
@henryhenriquez
you're still missing the point - it has sufficient sdram and vram. yes, 256 of vram is pretty low, i think 512 would have been a better choice but it still works. you proved that the ram in ps3 was faster than ddr3 unless its in triple channel. i'm not sure where you got the info that only 1 core has access to the ram, because a cpu isn't functional without some sort of memory resource. even if that is true, its not designed like a normal x86 cpu
I do not own a PS3, however the definition of a supercomputer has nothing to do with it's calculative power, it's about the way it is set up. And as an old-school Unix expert I assure you, the PS3 can be used as a supercomputer. In fact, so can the commodore 64.
@NewLynxS But now you're arguing capabilities, not whether or not SPE's on the same piece of silicon are cores. True, the SPU is less versatile than an x86 processor, but it can still do the same tasks, just inefficiently. Just because the Cell processor is an asymmetric design doesn't mean the SPE's are not cores.
@MrLivinitup123 no it doesnt give you memory, it will use memory more efficiently. Are you talking about storage space(harddrive space) or memory(like RAM), storage space is NOT memory. You can connect a 2TB harddrive to a PS3.. I havent heard of people having multi TB memory platforms, but if so, it will be some sort of computing cluster. Red Hat 5.x (64bit) only supports 256GB of memory
I installed Linux on my ps3 so I could run minecraft without shitty fps and it actually worked better than I thought it would. Great vid :D
@henryhenriquez *sigh* Each SPE is a separate core..
SPE's work independently.
The only difference between the Cell chips in Roadrunner and the Cell chips in the PS3 is that the ones in Roadrunner have all 8 SPE's (PS3 has 6), and it has improved double-precision floating point performance (PowerXCell 8i variant). In terms of performance, the Cells in Roadrunner are 25% faster for single-precision floating-point, and 80% faster for double-precision floating-point.
@NewLynxS But you're not defining what a 'complete core' is. Going with your Sandy Bridge example, each core has its own execution units, register set, and APIC. Is that what defines a core? That's basically how its defined in Intel's docs (Intel 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developers Manual Volume 1 section 2.2.9). Each SPE also has its own execution units, register set, APIC, memory controller and local store.
If Im not mistaken this was a couple months before the iphone was announced.
It can be a bit ridiculous,but Sony has figured out ways to use the PS3 as an actual SUPERcomputer.
@schmidtbag it has ONE CORE get that first. the 6 spe arent cores since they cant do anything by themselves, dont acces to ram, cant do integrer operation, can only do post procesing.
256MB isnt enough since a single gras texture in crysis is 3MB big, so you really need allot of memory. OS takes about 700MB of my ram but a game takes 2GB of it.
and also it's official that the ps3 supports open gl and that the open gl is far more powerful than direct x if you don't believe me it's official, check it in wikipedia and you can google it and do a comparison yourself
@NerdInHisShoe therefore it makes them inaccesible
the ps3's motherboard wasnt specifically designed for supercomputing. mostly graphics. so these cores might be there, but they wont work as lets say... a intel core 2 quad. when it comes to placing a linux OS on one of these, its like using a netbook. its got power, just not that much.
No not 5 times, likely 3 or 4 times but then again 99% of the people who invest in any sort of similar system do way more than just game. The ps3 is solely for gaming and movie watching. While on home pcs you can do an infinite amount of things. Not to mention the Pc version of BF3 likely requires 5 times more horsepower to run. Kinda works out if you ask me.
The PS3 is $300, thats a pretty cheap alternative to a PC, especially with the PS3 games, Blu-ray, linux, etc. A $300 PC will just enable you to use the operating system, and not too many games.
@NewLynxS That is irrelevant the XDR ram in the PS3 is FAST and core's and threads are different YES but the point still remains the more software threads you can run in parallel at the same time Weather thats in a CPU or GPU the BETTER, it means you can have higher quality textures more Polygons just more and better everything, and neither the xbox or PS3 have GDDR5 they both use GDDR3.
Consoles and PCs are fundamentally the same, both functioning as computers. You cannot compare gaming between them. If you think gaming is about graphical output or how well games run and pushing your limits, then you're wrong. Playing a game on a console and the PC will show you the gameplay remains the same, crappy or not. To me the only difference is the skillset. The controllers are different (but even that can be emulated.)
@Justas923 no it does not have a 8 core processor it is a 1 core and its a cell processor that has something called 7 elements! kinda like cores''
@henryhenriquez Oh yes, and lastly [comments are too short] it is 512 MB of XDR ram. This is information from Sony themselves, plus I've taken my PS3 apart and investigated it several times.
@chorinicpker Even then, the main problem with the cell is that the code has to be written specifically for it. It's not like the difference between a PPC and a x86_64, where all you need to do is recompile the code to have it work on the different architecture.
You can recompile linux to work on the cell, but it will only take advantage of the PPE, the SPE will not be used by any application on linux, because they are not regular 'cores' like the PPE.
On March 28 2010, Sony announced it would be disabling the ability to run other operating system with the v3.21 update, due to security concerns about OtherOS.
With 500 TFLOPS its very decent. And if they had built it with off the shelf computer parts it would had cost 90% more. So I think it was a good choice.
@henryhenriquez Well that's innaccurate. The ram is 2x256 XDR RAM which = 512 XDR... I'm talking about MAIN RAM and the CPU, not VRAM, like you are.
2x256MB XDR Main RAM
The GPU is locked out for when you have and "Other OS" installed on it, but it's still usable... It doesn't LET you use it when hooked up to another OS.
Not to mention the GPU can access CPU RAM if needed.
@NewLynxS I am aware of this but the fact that i was trying to state in the first place still remains the Cell Broadband engine in the PS3 can still run 8 software threads in parallel but because the RSX chip isnt really that powerful 300+ core GPU, mid range amount of cores has 256MB of GDDR3 memory and another 256 in XDR memory, XDR is very quick but there isn't much of it so the GPU is still rather bad, so because not all threads are used in the CPU it also does some of the Vertex stitching.
Wow this video is really old. It's from when the PS3 was only less than 4 months old.
For the fact that it's not a computer alone makes it a Supercomputer.
Supercomputer = computer and more.
computer = computer.
Which one is the ps3 of those two choices?
@TheSyncImage dude, no one would wanna run an os on an xbox :') hardware coulnt kill a fly nevermind run a decent os , the ps3 was designed for this to be possible, witch is a great design feature and one which no other games console could manage.
@henryhenriquez So what you're saying is 256 XDR ram is less than 256 DDR2/DDR3? Yes it is.
And yes 3.2 GHz. is true. Even IF it wasn't, say, compare it to one of my home PC's processor. This one only has 2.3 GHz Dual core, if the PS3 had 2.3 with 8 cores, it's still a pretty fast system...
However, it's not only 2.3! it's a 128 bit 3.2 GHz octocore PPC processor. If it wasn't 3.2 octocore, it wouldn't be 128 bit.
Trust me, I know what I'm talking about...
Don't get me wrong, I own PS3 and I Love it. I was referring to the RAM [256MB]. Comparing it to an average PC with 2GB or more... The HD is important, especially when we talk about paging intense scenarios; however, the speed of a drive RPM's is very significant factor in the overall performance of the system. PS3 rocks, but as a base for software development system and being called "super computer" is far out from the truth "in my opinion". Anyway, PS3 rocks as a gaming system :-)
@NewLynxChannel It does change much. You're not taking into account the SIMD capabilities of the SPU. MIPS alone is a poor measurement of performance, especially these days when things are going parallel.
@mathhenr the truth is, noone has seen a ps3 in use to its max potential, you see, developers arent programming games yet that take advantage of all the CORES on the processor. ill give you an example, its like having a dual core processor and only running single core apps on it. you see the apps arent taking advantage of that extra core cause they werent written to. i hope you can understand this simple analogy.
@NewLynxChannel no there are nine SPE's total 1 is disabled and one is for the GameOS so there is 7 usable SPE's
@fyiiamthetf2fan PS2 backwards compatibility was DISCONTINUED in the PS3 just like PS1 backwards compatibility was.
The PS3 did have software for PS2 games(and PS1) but not the newer and better Models which also took away Multiple Operating Systems
Console games most definitely need patches, but they rarely get them.
Depends on what games you have in mind. If you want to play Freecell, then you can easily do that with a windows virtual machine (or Wine, if they have a PPC architecture release, which I think they do). But if you're trying to play Crysis and use your PS3 to the fullest that you can, you're not going to be able to due to the amount that Sony's locked it down. They don't allow you to use the graphics acceleration, meaning that you're not going to be able to play awesome looking games. :\
@Palmer640 the ps3 only has 256MB XDR and 32MB is reserved for OS.
so 224MB is avalable for XDR ram really.
That is, if there's a VMWare binary for PPC Linux. Even then it'd be running in interpreted mode, not virtualized mode. It'll just be unusably slow, and you'd only be able to allocate maybe 400MB of RAM to it, which is well below Windows 7's recommended specs... you might be able to run windows 2000 reasonably wekk, though! :p
yeah i bet it can make toast considering how warm the system can get at times.