Creating A Cosmic Image
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- I describe my most recent drawing in which I try to create a synthesis of the Symbolic World.
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"I don't think you want to listen to a 2 hour video describing an image." Yes, we do.
I surely would!
Absolutely! Please, do it!
Yes, we do.
Yes, I want that 2-hour video, and then the script distilled into a booklet you can get with the image.
Was gonna comment this :D you beat me to it :D
But, I DO want to listen to a 2-hour video describing an image. haha
Lol right? 🤣
yeas two hours
me 2
Big facts.
32:52 We freaking want to listen 2, 4, 3-hour video describing THE image of EVERYTHING!!!
I love you man. As an artist trying to get into symbolism, you’ve been invaluable inspiration
Please stick with your art 😀 we need more symbolic art
Reconsiderate Thank you 🙏🏻 I’m @brendantmcnally on insta if you want to check out what i do :)
Bob Bobbertson totally, it’s more something I’ve studied like a language. When it comes to composing a painting, I try to just let it flow
I want to color it in. Not because the art is incomplete in any way but because it would help me meditate on each aspect for longer
I thought that too… but I also find the B&W very soothing. You could have two.
I think the b&w is an image itself. Something like the written word, right? That would mean you’re thoughts to color it in are something like awe or attention to the glory of the word which is hidden but more substantial than the thing itself.
I would love to see an extended interpretation of this image!
Incredible!
Wow.
This feels like an amazing ending of a phase in your channel. I'm really looking forward to the next phase!
This is so beautiful. Thank you Johnathan for bringing this holy image into the world 🙏❤️
Epic! Your very own Divine Comedy of sorts
That's really fascinating that 'paradise' means 'an enclosed garden'.
I recently ran into this Slavic-Norse connection (actual linguists, correct me if I'm wrong):
the Slavic град/город (city) is roughly equivalent to the Old Norse root 'gard' (city).
Both originally meant 'fenced in or walled area' often being located on a hill, which of course, later becomes synonymous with “city.”
Miklagard = The Great City (Constantinople)
'gard' is also the root for 'garden' and 'yard' in Modern English.
hey you're right! grad=gard=geard=yard
I never noticed the connection before. It looks like its just a metathetical mutation as you see between dialects cf. ask/ax(aks) in english
In Polish: garden = ogród
In Russian, a vegetable garden, ogorod, literally means a walled place, ograda.
@@Xanaseb in portuguese its Jardim, similar to yard
An amazing image of an amazing story. Thank you for walking us through it.
That was so incredibly cool!!! Thank you so much. (Note: I would 100% listen to multiple hours of this.)
Nice work. I'd love to see you break down more of your art.
You're a genius M. Pageau.
Wonderful!
This is absolutely insane. I love this picture so much, and enjoyed this video way too much. Hard to believe how underrated your channel and this video are.
3 years later : colored version
Heck, I want a 3D sculpture version.
Truly inspired. It even has the flaming sword coming out of the bull head of the angel. The bull being the beast of burden that carries memory in the mind. That same memory that prevents a return into the old Garden and forces the decendant to go East into the next Garden and towards the eventual New Jerusalem. The memory of the generation before preventing a return to the Garden of Adam and Eve as well as the memory of an individual preventing a return to their personal Garden of childhood. I love the multi level depth.
This is amazing
This image is wonderful! It's also plain to see the duality at work. I've been trying to reconcile ideas between western and eastern spirituality without seeing them as completely separate from each other, because I do believe we are essentially speaking on the same ideas but calling them by different names. I'm not an expert on eastern spiritualism, but I did study it for a while, and it seems to me that the eastern systems turn its attention on the "ocean" or the conscious potential of the individual, while the western turns its attention to climbing the hierarchy, crafted from the oceanic potential, with the ultimate infinite perfection crowning the hierarchy in mind. The dragon is the pull down or tendency back into the matrix while in eastern spiritual systems exercise a controlled reflection on that matrix.
I may be way off base with this so please feel free to correct me.
The inner circle reminds me of an eye, which is also a whole that has the inner iris and pupil.
look to the cross, x marks the spot, the eye is the window to the soul, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder
amazing work 🤩
Pageau you and I both seem to think about the importance of the divine poetry, thank you
I just love that the Eastern Orthodox church has so many incredible images that go along with the words of the story. It adds a new level to the Bible.
Just an idea. It’d be cool to have an image of this in your website where by scrolling or clicking various points of the image a little text box appears over the point. I have no idea how a website is made but that would be an easy way to refresh on it and teach it to others.
I want to purchase a print, but I would really like to also have a booklet that explains its symbolism. Is there a chance you would write down the ideas of this talk (and hopefully expand on them), as a companion booklet?
Great suggestion!
let the symbol speak to u.. if its a real symbol and ur open to it then u need nobody to tell u what it means.. dont be weak and expect others to always hold ur hands..
@@mostlydead3261 Lol. There is a lot of historical faith tradition embodied in this image that I am not familiar with. I want Cliffs Notes.
@@mostlydead3261 Yeah, just like the egyptian hieroglyphs. Never mind what they actually mean, just make up you own baseless meaning! All jokes aside, there christian concepts and symbols have a meaning that's not subjective. We can loose it if we don't learn it; so lets learn it instead of just making our own artsy interpretation.
@@gustafschonemyr833 ummm.. in which case u then deny both the transcendental status of the symbol and the transcendental status of u as a subject.. both are constructions then and no meaning is extant outside the context.. u murder the world and suicide uself..
Other than the Bible, the other “book” this image “interprets and is interpreted by” is the creation itself. So picture all nature as a “book of intricacies” or a “book of one and many-ness” which finds its meaning in the structure of this image, but also if you have insight into any of the sciences, maths, etc. this image can help interpret the things you’re seeing in the way they are best understood (or in the maximum way possible for our abilities in understanding and perception…)
Well done!
I want a brown hoodie with this drawing as a stamp!
This is awesome! this image is the Papal Tiara also :D
The image behind the cross looks a lot like a giant eye.
There’s simply no way that as a symbology expert, he didn’t realize that. Good catch.
@@WokeInTruth May not have. Sometimes art emerges unconsciously.
@@newkingjames1757 Or maybe that is there only for Those with eyes to See.
@@jarlnicholl1478 haha nice.
The Eye of Providence is a Christian imagery. If it came subconciously, that's awesome. It is mostly used to show God, the Father's omniscience, so one can view as that God didn't abandon His Son on the cross but was looking at it.
As a Catholic and a student of Jung's work; this is EPIC
I just bought a color canvas print of this image. It looks great and it inspires me every day. :)
Jon with a long-running series of videos going through 1/few symbols at a time in the image would be a lovely groove my man. Just about hype coolest RUclips channel I can imagine. Jon thank you
@Jonathan Pageau Great work, Jonathan. Added your video to my playlist collection of High-Minded videos. Thank you for your valuable insights. You are a rare and precious gem.
It’s beautiful!
Very much *would* love to hear a 2 (or however whatever length of time) video of you describing an image!
Absolutely phenomenal, Jonathan. Will buy the larger wood print when I have some more money to spare
Beautiful work.
Thank you for sharing. Your brain works in such a unique way.
For anyone wanting more meaning or further explanation… This image comes from the Bible so the best interpreter of this image is the Bible. If you start in genesis, you can use the image to see scripture and scripture to understand the image. As someone who has studied the Bible for about 30 years, I find this picture really helpful wherever you’re reading. It shows up in everything in one way or another and will make you notice things you’d miss otherwise
I really liked your image. I've been studying it.
Awesome work. I'm gonna get one for my new room.
Fantastic!
Thanks for your self sacrifice during these trying times Jonathan! It does not go unappreciated!
Excellent!!!
I think you are mistaken to view the garments of skin as merely "taking on the animal aspect". They are, rather, symbolic of the covering for sin which Christ provides by His bloody sacrifice, which the first sacrifice of animals to provide the skins signified. St. Augustine does remark that man by pride was cast down to the mortal nature of wild beasts, and Bede quotes this in connection with the garments of skin, and says that the skins contain the allegorical figure of death. He goes on to relate it to the garment of immortality which will be received in Christ. It is surely significant that the clothing Christ provides is obtained through the sacrificial death of the one providing it.
That's so dope I'm buying one!!
The thumbnail for this video is most interesting.
The 1st day and 7th day are united by the cross which in "simple math" looks like this ( 1+7 ) and this equals 8 which is the ∞ Infinity symbol. the circles on top united to Christ is an image of cairos and chronos.
iOS SANOS but it didn't (symbolism happens)
iOS SANOS Ok, everything is a human construct and humans base their constructs on randomness...
iOS SANOS nah, life is relative, it's all meaningless and things happen in arbitrary ways, my arguments are just part of how arbitrary and random life is...
This is really cool. You can really sense the phrase “the Word became flesh” and see the importance the body has in giving meaning and root to the Word. A crossover of consciousness, intellect of the unseen and sensitivity to see what is there.
The senses gathering together of information from the material to be taken inwardly …in service, the drink may nourish… or poison
The intellects ability to cut, portion and label the World, particularly the things invisible to the senses …as well as it’s potential for domination outwardly.
“I think; therefore, I am” seems incomplete. Descartes, what is it that you think of? “I think of the Heavens, therefore I am” sounds okay, but “I think of rocks, stones and earth, therefore I am” sounds a bit silly.
One without the other has its drawbacks. To wield only the lance, so tiring; categorizing and fragmenting. A hydra of many heads. “Heaven is this way!”, they say, “after we destroy all the unwanted categories, then we shall find our much-wanted rest and bliss”. To try and taste Heaven by sword and domination, instead of service and submission to what is above mere Earth and matter.
Science may be on a fool’s errand to try to understand what a human or who a person is by cutting a human open to find their soul, instead of listening, watching and talking with them. Can one really teach the blind to see and hear again?
Time for gathering and communion may not appear productive materially, but spiritually?
This is a fractal isn’t it? Death with the thorns on the outside, and death on the cross with a crown of thorns.
I like how you think .very non linear gather scatter
AWESOME✡✌📯🕯
I can't wait for someone to ask what my tee shirt is about!
I like this very much. But the thing about goats that separates them from sheep is that their tails go up, while sheep's tails go down :)
Got the shirt!
Did you leave something unaccounted for, as you did leave something unexplained? I am getting the shirt!
Brilliant multi-layered application of symbolism. Thanks for bringing back this ancient way to see the world. Do you plain to color the image in the future?
Here we go guys!
@Jonathan Pageau it looks like the papal tiara
Can you please speak to / explain a little more, of the idea of the griffin and how it functions in Christianity.
The aspirational mind gives the impetus to many deep forms of thought. I guess it’s because the doors to perception are open. Some people seem to think that at certain times under certain circumstances the mind has been raised to a higher consciousness through spirit coming from the divine. Having listened to Jonathan and read one of the Church Fathers (Gregory of Nyssa), I’m convinced that we are enjoying no more than the capacity of the human mind to interact with metaphor to raise meaning to high degree. Gregory’s value to meaning is the joy of a human mind well-suited to find connection in almost everything he reads in scripture. This is the world of metaphor. Jonathan’s mind stretches to do likewise. Sometimes he hits on a wonderful idea. Sometimes he misses his target. There is nothing definitively spiritual about this thinking. It is a good man using a good mind, that’s it. But what if Jonathan stopped wasting his time believing in scripture and joined the effort to raise universal consciousness through philosophy? Religious symbolism has great meaning but it’s only a subset of the greater world of meaning that philosophy in general has tackled through time.
"no more than the capacity of the human mind to interact with metaphor to raise meaning to high degree" - who told you what a HIGH degree and a LOW degree is? And where does man fit in the measure? High? Middle? Low?..Or outside categorisation? Is man the end of all things? With nothing existing higher than him? There is measure and value, but you put a cap on it, "this high, and no higher", in terms of numbers it's like declaring "This is the largest number, and no higher", but in terms of quality.
I think it’s enough to say we never get told by a source that’s indisputable. We read, listen and interact to form the best opinion we can offer. When you say outside categorisation, do you mean the source is divine? If so, that would be disputable too. As for any blanket evaluation of meaning or how far meaning can go, I was more focussed on Jonathan’s imputations of meaning into scripture, which are the product of study and are as subjective in the end to mine. I also believe Gregory of Nyssa’s imputations of meaning into The Life of Moses can be viewed the same way.
This image very much reminds me of the kabbalistic "tree of Life". Did you have that image in mind at all when designing this icon? Does the kabbalistic tree borrow from Christian iconography or vice versa?
I thought the same thing.
Are you going to do a video describing your Cosmic Flood design?
Having only three doors is correct: one for each son of Noah to return through
I wish I could color it.
Buy a poster print and do that
You could copy the image into a Word doc and print it out.
I'll wait for the 2 hour version
that is my next tattoo
Jonathan, at least one Orthodox scholar (Deacon Ezra Ham of the Antiochian parish of St. Elijah in OK on the parish RUclips channel) suggests that the the tree of life and the tree of knowledge are the two trees in Paradise. Not sure where that leaves the fig tree. It is dense material... did I misunderstand or are there two distinct visions of the meaning of the trees in paradise?
Amazing.... I want a Poster size...🤣
what do sheep and goats have to do with coming outside/inside? I know the scapegoat is going outside but what does it mean in terms of identity? Losing or sustaining it? What does the sheep has to do with coming inside (back with the shepherd?)
I think this is a fusion of Christ's teaching on the Sheeps and the Goats and the Wheat and the Chaff
Hi
If this is the image of everything, do our bodies have thorns in some sense?
Love your videos BTW!
hair
I love the notion of 9 circles. But I also noticed that if you count the two crowns and the two fans, the number becomes 13 whose numerology points to the last supper...??!
Nah, they're not concentric. Doesn't count.
@@SpencerTwiddy Help me out here? Why do they need to be concentric?
@@DinoRamzi 2 reasons:
First, at 29:11 he explains that he is talking about counts of concentric circles
Second, that is what groups them together. There are many, many other circles in the image, but the symbolism of this binding together toward the center; if you dig into the math behind counting, order, and rank, they are fundamentally represented as sets within sets within sets, or in the symbolic language, concentricity.
From which musical piece has Jonathan taken his introduction music? Would appreciate your help guys.
And thank you Jonathan for all you do and your amazing spirit.
God bless.
Did you ever find out? I've been wondering too
I did.
Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov , overture, Op.36
@@erikselander8485 Ah thanks!
@@SpencerTwiddy No problem buddy. God bless.
Great work, I really enjoy religion portrayed as art. Question, why not wither one side of the fig tree?
Can someone hint me what IC/XC/NI/KA stands for? If this is too basic question than sorry.
I'm looking for the answer as well. And it probably is a very basic question, but I know very little about the Orthodox faith.
beautiful Gnostic vision.. ur a true mystic.. some of us will appreciate what u really did there..
Hey I am curious as to how you feel about Alex Grey's psychedelic-spiritual art?
Amazing work!!, What do you mean by "divine darkness"? I'm struggling to comprehend
Jonathan, have you ever read John Milton's Paradise Lost? There's a lot in there that's seems related.
Do you know good online resources for St. Ephram's writings? I've only be able to find a few of his writings.
Seconded
What do you mean by divine darkness? I'm new to iconography symbolism but I'm loving it!
The divine darkness is the black dot inside the yang (white part) of the yin-yang symbol
The divine darkness is the darkness of the eye, the darkness of a black hole. Thank you for this video!
From the perspective of the Orthodox Tradition, why make your own image, instead of say, closely following the patterns of the last judgment icon? I appreciate your image and your discussion of it, I am just wondering how the process of making this image fits into the Tradition.
Every iconic image was once new. It is up to the discernment of the Church to determine whether a new icon meets the needs of the Church. An icon that passes this test will be copied and propagated, while others will be ignored and set aside. That is how Tradition works.
I have a print hanging in my house. It's off to the side in the living room. I hope the intricacies make people feel dumb so that they don't ask me to ever explain it. I really hope nobody ever asks me to explain it
Thank you, Jonathan, for this brilliant image.
I was hoping you would say something about the number and meaning of the fruits on the trees. I noticed there are 11 on each side of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, with a 12th fruit in Eve's hand. Also, on the Tree of Life I count 4 fruits on Christ's right side, and 5 on his left, for a total of 9. I am curious about this, because Revelation 22 describes the Tree of Life as having 12 fruits. What am I missing?
12-9=3
You are missing 3 fruits.
I win!
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What are the letters?
YES! I COULDNT WAIT FOR THIS VIDEO!
Also, first
I know the IC and XC stand for Christ Jesus. But don't know enough to know what NI and KA stand for.
Alia D. Conquers. Together it’s “Christ conquers.”
Nika means Victory in Greek.
sovereign's orb
What is the Greconym of this icon?
Is there a relationship between Saint Micheal slaying the dragon with a spear and Christ being stabbed with one?
There once was a man who beheld a donkey eating figs.
How big is the actual image?
I wish islam had as rich of symbolism in images as christianity does, would make the islam actually worth believing.
Are you going to colour the image?
Hey Jonathan. Just saw a RUclips on a nba player refusing to kneel during the national anthem. I think his interview afterwards is something you might want to cover. The reporter asked him why he didn't kneel and he spoke about his Christian ethics. The reporter didn't understand him. It was like they were speaking two different languages. It reminded me of the media misunderstanding Kanye's presidential rally. Here's a link
ruclips.net/video/h4XFwmKc99o/видео.html
Hmm. So you've turned Eden into Golgotha.
🤦♂️
The return to Eden is only through Golgotha.
Wrong! Jonathan. We do want to listen to a two-hour video :)