Worst part is GER's fall from grace he was considered the best stand when it came out because of a quote GER himself said paraphrasing but "... no matter what power they possess" meaning he beats any and every possible ability then the stand Tusk who's power is infinity is written and it's like ok GER is still second strongest then the game EOH is made and he loses but it's ok not technically canon then Tusk loses to Wonder of U and ok he's 3rd best then S&W go beyond beats WoU ok 4th but then... in Jorge joestar basically an official list of what if stories are made and GER loses like 3 times to 3 different people one of which is "beyond DIO" who possess Giorno while he has GER out like bruh GER CAN'T DO SHIT WHAT THEY DO TOO MY BOY BRO HASNT GOTTEN A SINGLE W SINCE DIAVOLO GER W/L record is 1W/4L if you count Jorge-jo and EOH
@@senpaistreams502 that is why, don't take the exaggeration in a work of fiction too seriously when it comes for power scalling. There should be prove and feats or else it will fall under No Limit Fallacy.
12:26 "They're giving him EVERYTHING...well, except SMT scaling" very next black box: "SMT IF takes place in the same universe as Persona, so uhhh he gets SMT scaling too lol" the timing was way too good for that
Something they messed up in the animation: When the Phantom Thieves summon their Personas, their masks disappear, because the Persona represents them showing their true forms. In here, Joker's mask never disappears despite his Personas being onscreen with him.
@@Redrunner613 They probably did that for animation/budget reasons. It would've been tedious and/or difficult to continuously draw JOker pulling off his mask each time he casts a spell.
Okay, possible explanation for Gold Experience being used on the bullets. While it's true that bullets aren't part of a whole, Joker's gun doesn't use normal bullets. It's a modelgun, remember? It works in the Metaverse because enemies perceive it to be a loaded gun, which also is why it never runs out of ammo. That means the bullets, or rather the perception of the bullets, are created by the perception of the gun, which means they can be considered part of the gun itself. And that's why Giorno's bees flew into Joker's gun hole!
100%, I thought of this after we closed the recording out, the bullets are generated by the gun, not actively loaded, therefore they are an extension of the gun. Glad I'm not the only one who thought about it!
I'm honestly just sad that people are more happy that Giorno lost than happy Joker won (which I guess is because he was meant to win), and it sort of started a hate train on Giorno. My boy is getting the wrong end of the stick 😔 Also, two for two of the characters I like lost so far 😭
I went into this knowing, or well, figuring Joker was gonna win, but Giorno would control the entire fight and basically kick his ass. That's what happened, I love it.
I'm so glad that I was right, I had no idea his final persona just ignores defense and any laws of the universe and something to also bring up we really don't have information on what Diavlo can really do because it's still contentious if he's actually deleting time itself or he's erasing their perception of it or something else. My biggest complaint is that it was a really short fight and there was some minor stiffness with some of the models but anyways the episode was great and I'm happy to see boomstick and wiz on on the screen again
The next Death Battle s Bowser vs Eggman, my 5th most wanted. 10. Palpatine vs Xehanort 9. Gohan vs Invincible 8. King Bradley vs Solidus Snake 7. Chaos vs Kyogre 6. Ruby vs Maka ✅ 5. Bowser vs Eggman ✅ 4. Darth Vader vs Obito ✅ 3. Liu Kang vs Jago 2. Mako vs Chie 1. KYLE RAYNER VS SIMON THE DIGGER ✅
And also being able to null, repel or even absorb certain types of attacks. It's crazy just how ridiculous Joker is, this matchup shouldn't be this close but hell, it was insanely enjoyable anyway
Joker vs Giorno is STYLE AND GRACE INCARNATE! Kieran Regan had a GOLDEN EXPERIENCE as Giorno and nobody expected Kevin Rivera as Joker. And Therewolf and Saoirse ACED it with Requiem For A Thief.
As a Persona 5 fan, this was all I ever wanted and more! PLUS Joker winning, oh boy incoming bias high ranking XD But for real, gonna give this whole episode a couple more rewatches. But I still overall love what we got! I was pleasantly surprised that we got more Personas due to it being a sprite animation. But they did well in picking Alice and Jack Frost. The only complaint off the back I have is that I feel the Joker's gun was overused. I get the meme, but instead of him shooting the snake, he could have tried to stab it or similarly when he tried shooting Giorno point blank. I just feel he should have done something with his dagger instead of pointing and holding it. Overall, I loved this episode and it certainly stole my heart!
While the fight is short and fun I will say it would’ve been nice if it was just a minute longer like they could’ve conversed a bit more. However given just how outclassed giorno was compared to Joker i can see why it was short cause once joker gets serious giorno in base doesn’t have much to retaliate with. Especially since joker could summon Fafnir and just NUKE him at any time in base. Brains vs brawn next fight. Bowsers got the stats but eggman a got the smarts and the much better army. Bowsers got power ups that can enhance his body and even give him new powers but eggman also has inventions that can render that moot. Mind-control Beam (sonic colors) the planet destroying death egg (various) and don’t forget The Time Eater which is self explanatory. And can’t forget Metal sonic who would tear apart all of Bowsers minions. However The fight truly boils down to two things. What exactly each characters gets (given the insane amount of video games they’re in) and whether or not bowser can get to eggman before he’s overwhelmed by eggman inventions
@@Redrunner613 Oh. Sorry. It's just in that post-analysis I remember you saying something like "Mmm, I don't know about that" Sorry. Didn't mean to sound rude or anything.
22:20 Something I really wanted to congratulate the animators on was how they went through the extremely tedious process of drawing GER after he appeared
I got this fight at a 8/10, it has a great analysis, and the creativity of the fight is 10/10, however the fight was short and the animation was mediocre (I’m sure the fights will recover once they get used to being independent)
This Episode was absolutely phenomenal! Like Omnidock, I wasn't massive fans of either character, but i do know Omni-Man for who he is (in this case Joker), so i'll root for him. However, if Bardock (Giorno) ends up winning, i won't be too pressed about it [unlike literally every DB fan on twitter lol]. I was super happy to see that they're continuing to do Wiz & Boomstick animation. After Omnidock not having any, i was scared they had scrapped it entirely. Glad to be proven wrong though! The real fight was super good too! Including multiple personas (especially really unique ones like Alice & Jack Frorst) besides just Arsene was cool, and including both GE + GER for Gio was unique too [I especially you can see Gio use his stand arrow to turn GE into GER right before he gets frozen]! The death too was very cleverly done, the way they blended the fight as it was an actual persona fight for Joker with the beginning, falling state, aswell as climax was amazing! Out of the two, I definitely prefer this over Omnidock, but Omnidock is still a good episode too, i just like how they did animation in this one a lot better lol. [Note: This isn't a huge critique to you Redrunner, but i personally think that you should've used the thumbnail you made for the Fanmade Trailer for JokGio instead of the current one, imo it just looks more appealing to me. It's not a huge deal of course, it's mainly just something about how Joker's eyes and mouth look aswell as how big Gio's eyes are that seem super weird to me lol.]
I felt like that EoH thing was going to turn into the next "Time Travel" (Referring back to ben vs hal) and it seems I was right. To clarify I mean "Thing that was mentioned and people use as a crutch to call the result wrong but in reality changes nothing at all".
@@dusky5535 Even if it is not canon and just an example they could use if it was canon and what other material that shows the limit of GER? Plus Joker possess Unshaken Will which prevents the Gods in Persona from Altering or Destroying Joker's Will to Fight.
@@alimuhammad7370 Ultimately they could use the exact same argument anyway, what EoH was there for was to show that their logic was sound; Superior reality bending is capable of breaking through GER. If people disagree with that notion, that's their prerogative, but honestly idk what people expect to get shown when the Stand is basically present for a single scene in the entire series.
Huh, very well done and interesting Matchup. Now, i hope Eggman vs Bowser doesn’t turn out to have been a bother to make like Eggman vs Wily was. By the way, how is things going with that Top 10 List of yours?
Thinking about the next death battle I just realised that Eggman barley ever fights against Super Sonic with his machines 1 on 1. Only time I can remember him doing so is in the Sonic advance series and Sonic 3 and knuckles I also wonder if Time eater and his past self would be part of the death battle cause I feel like that would be a easy win for him then. Probably won’t be though.
Funnily enough, I think the people who wanked GER to this point are the ONLY JoJo fans who are salty about the outcome. Everyone else is just like "Yeah, Giorno is fucked six ways to Sunday"
Honestly I get that Jack Frost is kind of iconic for persona I guess but I would like to see at least one more stand before we just went to the final boss especially against one that can just create ice and why didn't joker heal himself instead
apparently Ice counters Giorno's life creation in JoJo, so that's why Joker used Jack Frost. Would've preferred Black Frost since it's way higher base level, and actually shares an Arcana with Joker.
@@cosmozone271 Josuke VS Yu was never fair in any capacity unfortunately, with how Killer Queen works, Kira had a bit of a chance in the community, for a time. Also Neku Sakuraba is the biggest one for Makoto probably.
People are pissed of that eyes of heavan was used when the araki wrote it himself but using the last for naruto is fine just because kishi "supervised" it? Hypocritical vs fandom strikes again. Also using eyes of heaven is fine since GER is vague and is carried by the fans headcanons and baseless rumors (jojo is filled with fan romurs) Funny how joker was still lowballed😂
EOH was supervised by araki not writen says so in the wiki DB was wrong about that but it doesn't matter any real jojo fan knows araki has been weakening ger in every media its put in if you read jorge joestar basically official what IFs GER became more and more useless everytime it shows up losing to everyone
Thanks for using my idea. :) Nice different mix. For Bowser vs Eggman, can you use this song for the pre-video discussion? ruclips.net/video/8oZqKtuvDx4/видео.htmlsi=ZETU1pcOW3dC_wJ_ Little nod to FDS Deathmatchmakers and the trailer he made for this matchup during S10.
Thank goodness 😅 they didn’t screw this up 🆙 like 👍 Hulk, Captain 👩✈️ Marvel, Iron Fist 🤛, Bardock, Aizen, Green Lantern 🏮, The Phoenix 🐦🔥 Joker 🃏 is too O.P.!!
![Eminem - Fuel (feat. JID) [Official Lyric Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t5H_CewqpKA/mqdefault.jpg)
"Help me GER, this is base jack frost we're up against"
HELP ME NO LIMITS FALACY! THIS IS A PIXIE WHIT MEGIDO WE'RE UP AGAINST!
He just can’t handle the ice
@@totallynotinsane3327ya cuz he can’t create life if bellow zero
Lmao bro wasn’t up against king frost or black frost, he used GER against a normal Jack Frost 💀
Imagine going up against pixie. Demi's or Liz's would be instant death.
The "has GER" was so vile 😭. That's how bad Joker stomped they had to give Giorno's only advantage to his busted ass stand
Worst part is GER's fall from grace he was considered the best stand when it came out because of a quote GER himself said paraphrasing but "... no matter what power they possess" meaning he beats any and every possible ability then the stand Tusk who's power is infinity is written and it's like ok GER is still second strongest then the game EOH is made and he loses but it's ok not technically canon then Tusk loses to Wonder of U and ok he's 3rd best then S&W go beyond beats WoU ok 4th but then...
in Jorge joestar basically an official list of what if stories are made and GER loses like 3 times to 3 different people one of which is "beyond DIO" who possess Giorno while he has GER out like bruh GER CAN'T DO SHIT WHAT THEY DO TOO MY BOY BRO HASNT GOTTEN A SINGLE W SINCE DIAVOLO
GER W/L record is 1W/4L if you count Jorge-jo and EOH
@@senpaistreams502 that is why, don't take the exaggeration in a work of fiction too seriously when it comes for power scalling. There should be prove and feats or else it will fall under No Limit Fallacy.
12:26 "They're giving him EVERYTHING...well, except SMT scaling"
very next black box: "SMT IF takes place in the same universe as Persona, so uhhh he gets SMT scaling too lol"
the timing was way too good for that
I think they used SMT info for the almighty segment, not so much for smt scaling.
Something they messed up in the animation:
When the Phantom Thieves summon their Personas, their masks disappear, because the Persona represents them showing their true forms. In here, Joker's mask never disappears despite his Personas being onscreen with him.
Yeah, I didn't think to comment on it during the Reaction, but I noticed that too.
Probably a sprite limitation or something
@@Redrunner613 They probably did that for animation/budget reasons. It would've been tedious and/or difficult to continuously draw JOker pulling off his mask each time he casts a spell.
They could've had his mask come off at the very end, when he summoned Satanael.
They Made this animation before the Kickstarter so they don't have that much budget for a little detail
I like to imagine that the cracks when GER is punching sinful shell is him trying to use return to zero, but failing due to it being almighty
You're probably right
Okay, possible explanation for Gold Experience being used on the bullets. While it's true that bullets aren't part of a whole, Joker's gun doesn't use normal bullets. It's a modelgun, remember? It works in the Metaverse because enemies perceive it to be a loaded gun, which also is why it never runs out of ammo. That means the bullets, or rather the perception of the bullets, are created by the perception of the gun, which means they can be considered part of the gun itself. And that's why Giorno's bees flew into Joker's gun hole!
100%, I thought of this after we closed the recording out, the bullets are generated by the gun, not actively loaded, therefore they are an extension of the gun. Glad I'm not the only one who thought about it!
Not ironically this was the fourth time a Jojo character appeared in a death battle.
Damn you Mista…
Mista was right.... 💀💀💀💀
Never doubt Mista, everyone
Remember, Joker countered Gold Experience Requiem with the power of friendship and a gun he found.
When Joker hears his friends you can hear Akechi says "you die here and I'll kill you again myself"
Some Giorno Fans are absolutely going Super Saiyan after watching this episode. Also Can't Wait for Bowser vs Eggman
Their gonna hit their ceiling soon.
Hell yeah, been waiting for this video after the ep dropped
I was literally looking for this In Joker vs Giorno reactions before I just looked up the channel
Appreciate you guys waiting on me, lol
I dont know why but the sound effect when satanael aims its gun is so satisfying
18:43 unironically reflect physical is a valid wincon for Joker too
I'm honestly just sad that people are more happy that Giorno lost than happy Joker won (which I guess is because he was meant to win), and it sort of started a hate train on Giorno. My boy is getting the wrong end of the stick 😔
Also, two for two of the characters I like lost so far 😭
I went into this knowing, or well, figuring Joker was gonna win, but Giorno would control the entire fight and basically kick his ass.
That's what happened, I love it.
I'm so glad that I was right, I had no idea his final persona just ignores defense and any laws of the universe and something to also bring up we really don't have information on what Diavlo can really do because it's still contentious if he's actually deleting time itself or he's erasing their perception of it or something else.
My biggest complaint is that it was a really short fight and there was some minor stiffness with some of the models but anyways the episode was great and I'm happy to see boomstick and wiz on on the screen again
The next Death Battle s Bowser vs Eggman, my 5th most wanted.
10. Palpatine vs Xehanort
9. Gohan vs Invincible
8. King Bradley vs Solidus Snake
7. Chaos vs Kyogre
6. Ruby vs Maka ✅
5. Bowser vs Eggman ✅
4. Darth Vader vs Obito ✅
3. Liu Kang vs Jago
2. Mako vs Chie
1. KYLE RAYNER VS SIMON THE DIGGER ✅
Wait gohan vs invincible? Like child gohan?
i want kirby vs mario
Yknow im still surprised they Nerfed joker that much. Wheres the Kaja/Nda skills? Wheres Heat Riser and Debilitate also charge and concentrate?
And also being able to null, repel or even absorb certain types of attacks. It's crazy just how ridiculous Joker is, this matchup shouldn't be this close but hell, it was insanely enjoyable anyway
@@ZaLamander616 that feeling when one chunky Elephant boi and a deckchair is all it would take to beat Gio. Ghirimikala reflects phys
@@DeusX121i think they just wanted to show giorno full arsenal before he got annihilated
Joker vs Giorno is STYLE AND GRACE INCARNATE! Kieran Regan had a GOLDEN EXPERIENCE as Giorno and nobody expected Kevin Rivera as Joker. And Therewolf and Saoirse ACED it with Requiem For A Thief.
I don't care who won this fight. The battle was awesome! Especially the music and animation!
holy shit i'm on this
Hi door!!
As a Persona 5 fan, this was all I ever wanted and more! PLUS Joker winning, oh boy incoming bias high ranking XD
But for real, gonna give this whole episode a couple more rewatches. But I still overall love what we got! I was pleasantly surprised that we got more Personas due to it being a sprite animation. But they did well in picking Alice and Jack Frost. The only complaint off the back I have is that I feel the Joker's gun was overused. I get the meme, but instead of him shooting the snake, he could have tried to stab it or similarly when he tried shooting Giorno point blank. I just feel he should have done something with his dagger instead of pointing and holding it. Overall, I loved this episode and it certainly stole my heart!
I know that’s “cool” 22:11
Would you believe me if I said I was not intending the pun there-
Great to see my friend in a video!
One of The Moments in MY Life I AM SOOO Happy that I was Wrong about something. MY BOI WON THIS BATTLE!!!🎭😎🥰
While the fight is short and fun I will say it would’ve been nice if it was just a minute longer like they could’ve conversed a bit more. However given just how outclassed giorno was compared to Joker i can see why it was short cause once joker gets serious giorno in base doesn’t have much to retaliate with. Especially since joker could summon Fafnir and just NUKE him at any time in base.
Brains vs brawn next fight. Bowsers got the stats but eggman a got the smarts and the much better army. Bowsers got power ups that can enhance his body and even give him new powers but eggman also has inventions that can render that moot. Mind-control Beam (sonic colors) the planet destroying death egg (various) and don’t forget The Time Eater which is self explanatory. And can’t forget Metal sonic who would tear apart all of Bowsers minions. However The fight truly boils down to two things. What exactly each characters gets (given the insane amount of video games they’re in) and whether or not bowser can get to eggman before he’s overwhelmed by eggman inventions
Finally! Something you guys agree on! Other than the "Bill Cipher vs. Discord" post analysis where you were like "Umm, actually. 🤓"
I'm confused, we typically agree with their outcomes, Bill VS Discord was a rare exception. Unless you meant to say it the other way.
@@Redrunner613 Oh. Sorry. It's just in that post-analysis I remember you saying something like "Mmm, I don't know about that" Sorry. Didn't mean to sound rude or anything.
Nah, you're good, the phrasing just made it sound as though I never agree with their stuff, lol
i wish they brought up that Jokers will can’t be shaken, maybe they did in a black box but i didn’t see.
22:20 Something I really wanted to congratulate the animators on was how they went through the extremely tedious process of drawing GER after he appeared
I got this fight at a 8/10, it has a great analysis, and the creativity of the fight is 10/10, however the fight was short and the animation was mediocre (I’m sure the fights will recover once they get used to being independent)
Ok. There are casual DeathBattle reactors and then there are DeathBattle NERDS, which is you guys. 😂
25:04: Umm? Is Rina ok there?
There are different levels to it too, lol
I was fine but that shit was hilarious lmao.
Good fun where they give both everything I think.
This Episode was absolutely phenomenal! Like Omnidock, I wasn't massive fans of either character, but i do know Omni-Man for who he is (in this case Joker), so i'll root for him. However, if Bardock (Giorno) ends up winning, i won't be too pressed about it [unlike literally every DB fan on twitter lol].
I was super happy to see that they're continuing to do Wiz & Boomstick animation. After Omnidock not having any, i was scared they had scrapped it entirely. Glad to be proven wrong though!
The real fight was super good too! Including multiple personas (especially really unique ones like Alice & Jack Frorst) besides just Arsene was cool, and including both GE + GER for Gio was unique too [I especially you can see Gio use his stand arrow to turn GE into GER right before he gets frozen]! The death too was very cleverly done, the way they blended the fight as it was an actual persona fight for Joker with the beginning, falling state, aswell as climax was amazing!
Out of the two, I definitely prefer this over Omnidock, but Omnidock is still a good episode too, i just like how they did animation in this one a lot better lol.
[Note: This isn't a huge critique to you Redrunner, but i personally think that you should've used the thumbnail you made for the Fanmade Trailer for JokGio instead of the current one, imo it just looks more appealing to me. It's not a huge deal of course, it's mainly just something about how Joker's eyes and mouth look aswell as how big Gio's eyes are that seem super weird to me lol.]
I already see giorno fans raging because of eyes of heaven
I felt like that EoH thing was going to turn into the next "Time Travel" (Referring back to ben vs hal) and it seems I was right. To clarify I mean "Thing that was mentioned and people use as a crutch to call the result wrong but in reality changes nothing at all".
@@marcomunoz4741They shouldn't have used it imo
Because i knew people would use it in a stupid way
@@dusky5535 Even if it is not canon and just an example they could use if it was canon and what other material that shows the limit of GER? Plus Joker possess Unshaken Will which prevents the Gods in Persona from Altering or Destroying Joker's Will to Fight.
@@dusky5535 they legit just used it as an example I’m pretty sure they just didn’t want to bother explaining the other ways joker can resist it
@@alimuhammad7370 Ultimately they could use the exact same argument anyway, what EoH was there for was to show that their logic was sound; Superior reality bending is capable of breaking through GER. If people disagree with that notion, that's their prerogative, but honestly idk what people expect to get shown when the Stand is basically present for a single scene in the entire series.
Huh, very well done and interesting Matchup.
Now, i hope Eggman vs Bowser doesn’t turn out to have been a bother to make like Eggman vs Wily was.
By the way, how is things going with that Top 10 List of yours?
Can we all at least agree that one day, Yusuke really needs to meet Rohan?
When gonna do season 10 rankings
20:45
Bee Me
Me Bee
Thinking about the next death battle I just realised that Eggman barley ever fights against Super Sonic with his machines 1 on 1. Only time I can remember him doing so is in the Sonic advance series and Sonic 3 and knuckles
I also wonder if Time eater and his past self would be part of the death battle cause I feel like that would be a easy win for him then. Probably won’t be though.
I dont know why people Say Time eater is a wincon
Like Bowser have feat like him
If anything king boo even it
The salt from the GER fanboys can only be described as extremely *G R A T I F Y I N G*
Funnily enough, I think the people who wanked GER to this point are the ONLY JoJo fans who are salty about the outcome. Everyone else is just like "Yeah, Giorno is fucked six ways to Sunday"
Honestly I get that Jack Frost is kind of iconic for persona I guess but I would like to see at least one more stand before we just went to the final boss especially against one that can just create ice and why didn't joker heal himself instead
apparently Ice counters Giorno's life creation in JoJo, so that's why Joker used Jack Frost.
Would've preferred Black Frost since it's way higher base level, and actually shares an Arcana with Joker.
@Redrunner613 persona and JoJo are so weird
( joker running after the fight) welp mission accomplished
i was curious if they'd count omnipotent damage as a kind of truth GER could alter. they made a very good argument otherwise.
Wait how did joker use his gun at the end when giorno destroyed it earlier?
-Cognitive Gun-
But yeah, good callout
Glad they used Alice.
Dosen't this mean that adachi will neg diff kira?
Yes
@@Redrunner613People will now switch on that mu just because kira loses😂 same sht that happend with denji V itadori.
This'll even apply towards any Persona matchup now. Narukami v Josuke, and I'm not sure who the Doorman gets paired against often.
@@cosmozone271 Josuke VS Yu was never fair in any capacity unfortunately, with how Killer Queen works, Kira had a bit of a chance in the community, for a time.
Also Neku Sakuraba is the biggest one for Makoto probably.
People are pissed of that eyes of heavan was used when the araki wrote it himself but using the last for naruto is fine just because kishi "supervised" it?
Hypocritical vs fandom strikes again.
Also using eyes of heaven is fine since GER is vague and is carried by the fans headcanons and baseless rumors (jojo is filled with fan romurs)
Funny how joker was still lowballed😂
I mean they had to lowball him to explaine it for the normal not power scaler watcher
EOH was supervised by araki not writen says so in the wiki DB was wrong about that but it doesn't matter any real jojo fan knows araki has been weakening ger in every media its put in if you read jorge joestar basically official what IFs GER became more and more useless everytime it shows up losing to everyone
@@senpaistreams502i see, My point still stands.
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watchHe won anyway so it dosen't matter
Thanks for using my idea. :)
Nice different mix.
For Bowser vs Eggman, can you use this song for the pre-video discussion? ruclips.net/video/8oZqKtuvDx4/видео.htmlsi=ZETU1pcOW3dC_wJ_
Little nod to FDS Deathmatchmakers and the trailer he made for this matchup during S10.
Thank goodness 😅 they didn’t screw this up 🆙 like 👍
Hulk, Captain 👩✈️ Marvel, Iron Fist 🤛, Bardock, Aizen, Green Lantern 🏮, The Phoenix 🐦🔥
Joker 🃏 is too O.P.!!
You should'nt have watch it is really bad.
Nah
@@Redrunner613 yah
nah
@Albedo-number1 , most people seem to heavily disagree with you there buddy.
it was diffentatly bad not wrong just bad who ever rigged giorno should be fired