I think it's crazy David only has 90 thousand followers. Maybe it's the stoner in me but I'm such a big fan of this guy. The amount of time he's put into my favorite universe is just crazy. Hoping the release of Winds blows this guy's channel up some more. Praise Garth!
LML lurker here. Watch multiple videos daily as my constant background noise. This dude rocks and is a huge part of why I love this community. Him and the many Alt Shift/Gliduses have been great entertainment during out 10+ year wait. Radio Westeros and History fo Westeros are my other go tos
Hearing you don't like anime destroys all my hopes of someday seeing a Princess Mononoke analysis from you. It has everything you like: a fantasy setting with interesting magic, a hero (literally) battling his inner demons, gigantic sentient wolf gods, a stag as king of the forest... the list only goes on 😅
It’s an age thing I think… I’m his age and my generation hates anime… unless they were dragonballZ fans. It’s a weird divide. I’m an exception, I’m no anime weeb but I’m all for this series being animated
Just had an interesting thought on Summerhall: what if Egg, who was consumed with prophecy at this point in his life, learned that in order to hatch dragons he needed to perform a blood magic ritual, and Summerhall WAS that ritual: he was sacrificing a portion of his own family without telling anyone by trapping them and burning down the place. Dunk realizes his plan at the last second and saved Aerys and Rhaella, who were key sacrifices in Egg's plan, thus thwarting the ritual. So Dunk's final act of heroism was actually a betrayal of Egg, and the reason dragons were not successfully hatched. Would be a crazy end to their story. Also, maybe the ritual unintentionally still worked in some capacity, and ended up STILL "hatching" a "dragon" in the birth of Rheagar: the ritual imbued him with magical, prophetic properties that allows the Prince that was Promised prophecy to be fulfilled.
i think all that is right except there’s also a scenario where Egg was trying to kill himself as part of the sacrifice, with the intention being to hatch a dragon for Rhaegar or Rhaegar’s eventual son
I think both Aerion Brightflame and the Mad King was right. Humans can become dragons. I think that's what happened to Laena Velaryon for example. I think dragonriders are a form of skinchangers and that they live a second life inside their dragon. In the book, Laena tries to reach Vaegar. It is very similar to Rob and Jon saying the names of their wolves in their moment of death. In the show, when Laena looked Vaegar in the eye and then was burned, it was even more hevely implied. It also mirrors the Targaryen funeral rite. I think this can also happen with dragon eggs. Daenerys bonded with Drogon even before he hatched. So perhaps the people who was sacrificed in the ritual at Summerhall, are now trapped in the eggs. Egg is now an egg.
@@jonhauge-evaldsson783 Alysanne and Jaehaerys certainly were in their dragons, otherwise the attept of her dragon to make his fly would not make sense.
Maybe the door Hodor will be holding in the books is the door to his mind before he is pushed out of his own body by Bran skinchanging into Walder for the final time.
@@DavidLightbringer yeah me too, but which door? The main gate at the Castle Black already had the cool hold-moment with Jon, the one-armed dude and the other rag-tag leftover defenders….could happen again I suppose.
Great stream tonight! I really this format for the “iceberg” style videos, it was super easy to follow and see how everything is connected. Looking forward to the next one!
Regarding headless ned. Ned promised lyanna to always protect Jon, could there be some sort of vow/enchantment that holds him to that word? It could be kinda neat if all the dead starks do rise up, but defy the night king and help the living
Not to mention the symbolism involved in an ice wight (ned) and a fire wight (Jon) to sing their song with their blades (ice and dawn) Obviously I’m not as good a writer as GRRM, but imagine it would go something like: “and then he knew it was over, Dawn lay broken feet away, barely a glimmer shining off its blade. All Jon could do was wait for the night king to finish it. But something changed, suddenly a large great sword blocked Jon’s vision, he had seen this blade many times in his youth, in a previous life, it was ice. At that moment Dawn shone so brightly it appears to burst into flames, growing brighter as Jon reaches for it, as he wrapped his hand on the hilt it felt warm, Jon rises up, dawn in hand and turns to face his foe, he only know one man to wield that sword, and the bones still looked fresh. With a shout Jon plunged dawn through the corpse of Eddard stark and into the night king who couldn’t see it coming”
Brienne and Pod are another Dunk/Egg, Sandor/Arya paring. I wonder if Brienne will "hold the door" in Stoneheart's cave so Jamie can escape the Other like Brotherhood. Maybe after Brienne stabs Stoneheart. Then she would act as a Last Hero with a flaming sword fighting alone against the Others. Also in Jamie's dream Brienne offers to help Jamie up over the ledge so he can escape the cave. She is also the one defending him at the end of the dream from the Others like Kingsguard. It would be a tragic Knightly death for Brienne. "In this light she could almost be a beauty, in this light she could almost be a Knight"
I'm personally hoping that the big delay is George working on both Winds and Dream of Spring at the same time, probably focusing on Winds, but when he gets an idea for Spring he probably writes it. In practically every interview I've seen with George in the last 10 years, he's seemed _well_ aware of his age, and years left on this earth. I have to imagine it is incredibly important to him to finish his story, and give fans the true ending, not that hbo bs that dropped every ball George was juggling.
Victarion is also planning on blowing Dargonbinder 3 times which is the the nights watch call for others. I believe this will cause the collapse of the wall. (Moon meteors).
Brienne has a 'Whent' shield that Jaime took from Harrenhall that was probably actually Lyanna's repainted Knight of the Laughing Tree shield, but she repaints it again like Dunk's shield, bc she didn't know what sigil to use and then remembers a pretty shield from her Father's hall at Tarth; which is great bc Dunk (with Aeg's help) just made up that sigil on the spot under the exact same circumstances ♥️
Gotta say this was probably my favourite stream yet. Caught it in segments after work the last couple days and will give it a rewatch. Thank you LML and your mods as well as all the Mythheads who contributed. Ten thumbs up.
He's drawn a lot of attention to the lake in the middle, so much that when they made it in the show, they made a lake of black paint to make it more reflective and black like in the books.
Robot bran was a terrible choice. However, I imagine it would be almost impossible for a young actor to portray an all knowing god-like figure. I feel bad for all the actors tbh
He’s really honed in on this shit in a super clear, concise, well thought & spoken way anymore, it’s always been great content but is especially fire lately 🔥🔥🔥
@@DavidLightbringerbro get some friends to do a legitimate theatric audiobook. I know it would take a lot of work from a lot of people, 20ish people reading likes 2-5 main characters and split up tge random characters. It could be really cool
Something that's been on my mind: I'm no expert, but I do watch a lot of your videos and like learning more about the World of Ice and Fire. That being said, I find it interesting that even though the children of the forest are more elvish than anything, they are referred to as "children". Probably because it's the humans, or the first men, who came up with that name, and didn't know what else to call them. George has talked about putting unicorns in The Winds of Winter, but they are probably going to be massive goats with one horn. There seems to be a trend on naming things wrongly... or at least in such a way to hide what they truly are. With that being said I've always thought the term Green Men was kinda funny. Why are the crannogman not called Green Men, and are the First Men and Green Men the same or different. I tend to lean towards them being different, or at least Green Men being a subclass of the First Men. I recently watch a video of "The disputed lands," and she brought up that Garth the Green had green hands, and that maybe the Weirwoods used to have green hand-like leaves before whatever happened, happened. I think the most plausible explanation is that whatever happened on the God's Eye during The Pact is what made the Weirwood turn ash white, and bare red leaves. With all that out of the way, what if Green Men were Ents? And what if the Pact was the Green Men planting themselves to achieve immortality, and the Children are the gardeners who watch over them, and are allowed to link up with the new found Weirwoods to also be granted immortality. I don't know, other races do exists, and there is evidence that most races are still around somewhere on Planetos, presently, but Green Men are weirdly absent. Just a thought. Love the videos. Keep up the good work!
so yeah I agree with a lot of this, the more I look at the green men through symbolism and such, the more they seem like tree people straight up. they definitely seem to be the original spirits of the trees, whereas the children are like the caretakers, exactly. I believe that the pact is something that happened during the long night, and yes it would have been around this time that the weirwoods would have been altered. check out my timeline heresies series!
Tyrion could definitely be a chimera! I always loved that one, bc it is centered on Joanna's throuple'y relationship with TPOD (The unnamed Princess Of Dorne). This would make Tyrion the result of Aerys' and Tywin's seeds fighting for primacy in Joanna's woom. Cersei and Jaime are definitely Aerys', It is known, LOL😜 If Tyrion is not a chimera, I also like the idea that Tywin has a narrow urethra, and none of his kids are actually his (just like Bobby Hill is really Bill Dautereve's, hahaha) 😜🤣
I just realised that if Cersei is pregnant again after Tommen is killed and Myrcella (commits suicide?), this could be a moment for Cersei to internally “disprove” her prophecy. If she has more than 3 children then she will think she might also continue living. It would then be very poetic/sad if she is killed by a valonqar while pregnant. What do you all think?
At Danny's alchemical wedding, the ingredients seem to be, 1. Drogo.(kings blood?) 2. Miri maz dur (holy blood?) 3. Dragon (magical beast) 4.comet. Jon's resurrection magical ingredients. 1. Shireen (kings blood) 2. Melisandre (holy blood) 3. Magical beast (Ghost) 4. Comet. I'm just playing around with ideas, not really sure how this would play out
I also wonder if it's not (god's forbid) children's blood -- baby Rhaego at Dany's and baby Monster at Jon's....... .... and possibly attempt on baby Rhaegar's life at Summer Hall 👀
I fell asleep half way through the stream so just caught up on it now. Coldhands is always super intriguing. he is def associated with the original long night some how, potentially the only survivor of the 12. My memory is a little hazy but I’m sure you have a theory about AA & bloodstone emperor being the same person - along with some sort of good and bad brother situation (one had the dark meteor sword the other had the whiter sword). My lil bit tinfoily theory on Coldhands is that he could be the ‘good’ brother who has been left wandering and protecting the frozen north for millennia as his own form of penance for not being able prevent his brother from starting the long night? Obviously he is trapped beyond the wall anyways but Idk! Really fun live stream cant wait for the next one
This was a fun concept to watch! Also, a question about Skagos at 1:17:39 - if they are Greenseer based, and notoriously (potentially deliberately) isolationist, could it be relevant that Skagos is located right on the other side of Storrold’s Point/Hardhome, a convenient old-as-balls deep water port with a funky history?
I’m reading Memory Sorrow & Thorn right now and I can’t help but see a bunch of elements from MS&T combined to rhyme with Hodor’s whole situation. There’s one character who remains behind to defend a choke point so others can flee, and another character who was once a great and noble knight but is reduced to a hulking oaf with immense physical capabilities. It’s beyond coincidence how many similarities the two series share, and it’s wonderful.
I wish Arya could give the gift of mercy to her mother since she was the one who dragged her out of the water to be saved. But it's impossible. As you say Stoneheart's time is at an end. 🤧
I dont leave enough commments considering i watch your videos pretty much every night before bed and fall asleep and like 4 full livestreams in a row every day lol. I swear i must be some massive % of your watch time lol
I hope that in Skagos, we see Ricko 's relatives. His great grandma could still be alive (old Nan part 2). Could be a great moment on a download for stark history.
I'm not sure what it means, or if I think too much of it, but if Ned's head is stuck in/on the neck, that's where you would expect to find a head that's alive. Instead we want the head to be in the crypt, where dead heads are supposed to go. Does this signify some sort of life/undeath? I don't think Ned's a zombi, but the symbolism is there.
Dunno if this has ever been discussed, but is there a possibility that Littlefinger could come into contact with Lady Stoneheart? If she were to learn that he killed her sister, and I'm kinda liking the idea that Arya could discover her first while possibly joining together for revenge missions. Maybe Lf could be abducted especially now that we know that Brienne has encountered her and maybe she and Arya could find Sansa together. Brienne and Arya could take Baelish by force and perhaps he'd be executed in front of Stoneheart rather than at Winterfell. Oh and yes, somehow maybe Sandor can also be a part of it too not to mention Arya's wolfpack!
Is darkstar paralel to the karstarks who have the dark star in their coat of arms? Jon is analog to Gandolf. Going from Stark grey to become a white, going over black.
Did you talk about if Arthur Dayne is Mance Rayder…? If he is he can tell Jon everything and give him the Sword of the Morning. Mance has been trying to get in the crypts, maybe the sword is with Lyanna in her tomb for now. Robert said she deserved more than darkness…and the sun should be above her….still think Arthur and Lyanna would have fallen in love after Rhaegars true personality was finally revealed to them… unrelated the Mander river ends so close to Kings Landing, though only shallow boats to Bitterbridge… but if Eurons move after HT is KL he could probably take that route quickly.
Imagine Mr. Martin Just decides to Put the 5 years gap after twow so that the Long night brings Ruin to the world for 5 years but If thats the Case itight be better to instead shorten the skip Also i Always asked myself why He let the 5 years gap Go Is it because it was too Long? Why Not shorten it Just enough to that Events Play Out as they should and the characters age Just enough Was ist because He couldnt handle describing whats been Happening for the Last 1-5 years? Or was it that too much should Change in those 5 years so that He Had to make No skip at all Quite curious and i Hope He gives us some sort of answer after twow would shed more light on His original plan
Not sure if that's what you eluded to, but the way you put it here, it almost sounds like Jon's vision atop the wall could be a metaphor/foreshadowing of Jon's inner fire battling the ice magic taking over his conciousness.
Now that I think of it, what if the wall itself is a metaphor for the frozen weirwood net, mirrored by the wights climbing it. Then Jon's frozen armor could be implying Azor Ahai has some of the great Other in him, but powered by R'hlor he now returns to cleanse the weirwoodnet and set things right. Thus ending the long night and making the Night's Watch obsolete.
I think TWOW will begin and end the long night. I think most or at least half of the story will be the long night, then ADOS will be the scouring of the shire. Edit: I mean, think about this: AGOT ACOK ASOS AFFC ADWD TWOW ADOS One of these things is not like the other. It goes from the title starting with an indefinite article, 'a,' to starting with a definite article, "the." It's the only book in the series that starts with a definite article, which kind of makes it seem like it's going to be the one with the big event we're all thinking about. That is, the rest of the books are A bunch of stuff happening, and TWOW is THE stuff happening.
Brienne had her Lothston shield repainted in the style of Dunk's shield back in Duskendale. I think she recalls seeing the tree and falling star shield at Tarth but it may not be the OG shield.
Maybe Ned rarely mention or visit Howland Reed because he was in on the prophecy stuff with Lyanna and Rhaegar when Ned wasn't really into it. Howland would have told him that it was needed for Lyanna to die in order for the prophecy to work or whatever and Ned wouldn't accept it and even be angry with Reed.
Personally I think the Long Night is going to fall at around the halfway point of Winds of Winter and it's going to last until 50-70% of A Dream of Spring. One, it kind of doesn't make sense for a book called Winds of Winter for said winter to only show up for the last chapter or two. Second if pretty much all of the Long Night takes place in A Dream of Spring, it isn't going to feel like much of a long night compared to the rest of the story, that was one of the many problems with the TV show. You really could have and should have done something like 8 eps out of a 10 ep season for the Long Night. Even if George has a lot of chapters where characters are mentioning "It's been a month since Arya last saw the sun" and "It's been two months since Sam last saw the sun", it's not going to have the same level of impact unless we're actually spending a good chunk of the runtime actually in the winter. Plus the Long Night should come when everyone has all these plans and goals they're working towards and just wipe all of that off the table. So my guess for the Long Night is that about halfway through Winds the meteors are going to fall. And then Winds will spend the back half establishing how everyone reacts to the chaos and the fallout, and gathering the key players who will end the long night and they'll finally have something close to a plan by the end of the book. And A Dream of Spring will have them executing that plan and whatever twists and revelations come along the way. And then the back half of ADOS will be the Scouring of the Shire as well as resolving the various character subplots, giving them send offs, and the epilogue. Dividing the Long Night into 50% of the WoW and 50-70% ADOS gives it an entire books worth of run time while not forcing the Scouring, the wrap up, and the epilogue to feel quite so crunched up.
i hear you but there is too much that needs to happen first for it to occur halfway through the book. he’s gonna struggle to get it in to this book at all
I think characters that actually fulfill prophecies are unaware of the prophecy. It seems like when people try to fulfill a prophecy, they get it wrong (which still could help the prophecy in the end, like Rheagar thinking his first son is the prince that was promised still helped the prophecy by driving Dany out of her home, leading her to become the person she needs to be to fulfill the prophecy, and by fathering Jon). I think to fulfill, they have to be somewhat unaware of the prophecy, at least until they’re already on the path to the endgame.
I cant remember all of the details and examples that made me think about or notice this but regarding Jamie, I think theres potential foreshadowing for him ending up in the nights watch. On one of many re-reads I picked up on a range of poignant things about him which stood out to me as being symbolism relating him to the nights watch. Again i cant remember what off the top of my head but things in the same space as, for example how in one of Catelyns first chalters it opens with "her heart felt as though it were turning to stone". That type of stuff for Jamie only with "Black", "Crow", "Watcher" and "Brotherhood" symbolism. Read his chapters with this in mind and maybe youll see what I mean. In his intro Qorin is also described as having learned to be "even deadlier with a sword with his left hand after losing use of his right". Jamie in the watch could align with his ark for honor etc, as well as unite some of his Azor Ahai symbolism. . . Just a thought. I know its out there 😊
You know what would be a fun game is some kinda “stump the buff” game where people call out any chapter in asiof and you have to find symbolism that matches your theories i.e. moon meteors or Nissa Nissa/nights queen, etc. I’m relistening right now and having a hard time finding a chapter WITHOUT parallels to this stuff
Have you ever heard of the strange twist on the azor ahai phrophecy? That it was Rhaegar who was the true heir, Lyanna was Nissa Nissa and Jon is Lightbringer? Granted it doesn't go with the popular theories but I feel like they go with the obvious hero tropes that the books like to subvert. Azor Ahai already has strong similarities with King Arthur and Excalibur, and we can see it with lyanna, since Lyanna is always associated with blue and could represent "the lady of he lake" (and possibly guinevere in some versions) that gives Arthur excalibur. The Night's Watch already has a line about them being a "sword in the darkness". We know how GRRM likes to play with tropes and expectations and how phrophecies dont usually turn out how you want them to, so imagine that the big savior so many characters have been looking and hyping for already came and went with no one really noticing because the timing didn't match up to what they thought it would. It's why the Melisandre's visions can't show her Azor Ahai flat out despite her talent, the magic being at a high point or her optimal location, but when she prays for a glimpse of him it shows her Snow, the main identifyer of the saviour.
I think Skagos is probably definitely volcanic: Skagos means Stone, Skagosi = Stoneborn. The most important stone in terms of trade, survival, symbolism, etc. is Obsidian. We know the Wildlings used to trade obsidian to the Watch, but we've never seen a quarry, so where did they get it from? Skagos is a pretty good guess. Also, most of the islands in our world either are or were volcanic. And, finally, Hardhome isn't too far away, and if it wasn't dragon eggs that blew that place up, it was probably a volcano, right?
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I think it's crazy David only has 90 thousand followers. Maybe it's the stoner in me but I'm such a big fan of this guy. The amount of time he's put into my favorite universe is just crazy. Hoping the release of Winds blows this guy's channel up some more. Praise Garth!
I agree! This guy is a STAR!
David insults people that dont share his opinions. Maybe thats why
@@leilaonline2787 I've never seen it or seen people discuss it.
Ya I've gone and watched alot of dlb older videos and alot of the more current never really heard him.hate or insult anyone really
LML lurker here. Watch multiple videos daily as my constant background noise. This dude rocks and is a huge part of why I love this community. Him and the many Alt Shift/Gliduses have been great entertainment during out 10+ year wait. Radio Westeros and History fo Westeros are my other go tos
Hearing you don't like anime destroys all my hopes of someday seeing a Princess Mononoke analysis from you. It has everything you like: a fantasy setting with interesting magic, a hero (literally) battling his inner demons, gigantic sentient wolf gods, a stag as king of the forest... the list only goes on 😅
I would love to see Dave make an exception for mononoke, not huge on anime myself but that film is phenomenal
It’s an age thing I think… I’m his age and my generation hates anime… unless they were dragonballZ fans.
It’s a weird divide.
I’m an exception, I’m no anime weeb but I’m all for this series being animated
Just had an interesting thought on Summerhall: what if Egg, who was consumed with prophecy at this point in his life, learned that in order to hatch dragons he needed to perform a blood magic ritual, and Summerhall WAS that ritual: he was sacrificing a portion of his own family without telling anyone by trapping them and burning down the place. Dunk realizes his plan at the last second and saved Aerys and Rhaella, who were key sacrifices in Egg's plan, thus thwarting the ritual. So Dunk's final act of heroism was actually a betrayal of Egg, and the reason dragons were not successfully hatched. Would be a crazy end to their story. Also, maybe the ritual unintentionally still worked in some capacity, and ended up STILL "hatching" a "dragon" in the birth of Rheagar: the ritual imbued him with magical, prophetic properties that allows the Prince that was Promised prophecy to be fulfilled.
i think all that is right except there’s also a scenario where Egg was trying to kill himself as part of the sacrifice, with the intention being to hatch a dragon for Rhaegar or Rhaegar’s eventual son
What if the seven dragon eggs are still there? Buried under the collapsed buildings. I don't think fire can destroy dragon eggs, not even Wildfire.
I think both Aerion Brightflame and the Mad King was right. Humans can become dragons. I think that's what happened to Laena Velaryon for example. I think dragonriders are a form of skinchangers and that they live a second life inside their dragon. In the book, Laena tries to reach Vaegar. It is very similar to Rob and Jon saying the names of their wolves in their moment of death. In the show, when Laena looked Vaegar in the eye and then was burned, it was even more hevely implied. It also mirrors the Targaryen funeral rite.
I think this can also happen with dragon eggs. Daenerys bonded with Drogon even before he hatched. So perhaps the people who was sacrificed in the ritual at Summerhall, are now trapped in the eggs. Egg is now an egg.
@@jonhauge-evaldsson783 Alysanne and Jaehaerys certainly were in their dragons, otherwise the attept of her dragon to make his fly would not make sense.
@@jonhauge-evaldsson783that’s pretty fun theory. Egg is an egg.
Perfect
Rickon/Skagos shit is totally going to happen. Unicorn division for Arya’s battle strategy.
Missed this one
Great finding there's an extensive magical well to drink from
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Maybe the door Hodor will be holding in the books is the door to his mind before he is pushed out of his own body by Bran skinchanging into Walder for the final time.
naw i think there’s gotta be a real door too
@@DavidLightbringer yeah me too, but which door? The main gate at the Castle Black already had the cool hold-moment with Jon, the one-armed dude and the other rag-tag leftover defenders….could happen again I suppose.
@@Airehcaz100% the weir wood mouth door at the nightfort
Great stream tonight! I really this format for the “iceberg” style videos, it was super easy to follow and see how everything is connected. Looking forward to the next one!
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Regarding headless ned.
Ned promised lyanna to always protect Jon, could there be some sort of vow/enchantment that holds him to that word?
It could be kinda neat if all the dead starks do rise up, but defy the night king and help the living
Not to mention the symbolism involved in an ice wight (ned) and a fire wight (Jon) to sing their song with their blades (ice and dawn)
Obviously I’m not as good a writer as GRRM, but imagine it would go something like: “and then he knew it was over, Dawn lay broken feet away, barely a glimmer shining off its blade. All Jon could do was wait for the night king to finish it. But something changed, suddenly a large great sword blocked Jon’s vision, he had seen this blade many times in his youth, in a previous life, it was ice.
At that moment Dawn shone so brightly it appears to burst into flames, growing brighter as Jon reaches for it, as he wrapped his hand on the hilt it felt warm, Jon rises up, dawn in hand and turns to face his foe, he only know one man to wield that sword, and the bones still looked fresh.
With a shout Jon plunged dawn through the corpse of Eddard stark and into the night king who couldn’t see it coming”
Brienne and Pod are another Dunk/Egg, Sandor/Arya paring. I wonder if Brienne will "hold the door" in Stoneheart's cave so Jamie can escape the Other like Brotherhood. Maybe after Brienne stabs Stoneheart. Then she would act as a Last Hero with a flaming sword fighting alone against the Others.
Also in Jamie's dream Brienne offers to help Jamie up over the ledge so he can escape the cave. She is also the one defending him at the end of the dream from the Others like Kingsguard. It would be a tragic Knightly death for Brienne.
"In this light she could almost be a beauty, in this light she could almost be a Knight"
FAegon will pull a Quentyn. That is why Quentyn is dead.
Great stream to listen to while I did my evening chores! Thanks LML and chat!
I'm personally hoping that the big delay is George working on both Winds and Dream of Spring at the same time, probably focusing on Winds, but when he gets an idea for Spring he probably writes it. In practically every interview I've seen with George in the last 10 years, he's seemed _well_ aware of his age, and years left on this earth. I have to imagine it is incredibly important to him to finish his story, and give fans the true ending, not that hbo bs that dropped every ball George was juggling.
Love your creativity with this, so fun. love the hair -- many praises 🌿🌿🌿
Victarion is also planning on blowing Dargonbinder 3 times which is the the nights watch call for others. I believe this will cause the collapse of the wall. (Moon meteors).
Best in the business. Thanks for keeping the night fires burning while we wait.
Brienne has a 'Whent' shield that Jaime took from Harrenhall that was probably actually Lyanna's repainted Knight of the Laughing Tree shield, but she repaints it again like Dunk's shield, bc she didn't know what sigil to use and then remembers a pretty shield from her Father's hall at Tarth; which is great bc Dunk (with Aeg's help) just made up that sigil on the spot under the exact same circumstances ♥️
Gotta say this was probably my favourite stream yet. Caught it in segments after work the last couple days and will give it a rewatch. Thank you LML and your mods as well as all the Mythheads who contributed. Ten thumbs up.
It is known: Winterfell was literally built up around the spot where the Ice Dragon Winter Fell.
He's drawn a lot of attention to the lake in the middle, so much that when they made it in the show, they made a lake of black paint to make it more reflective and black like in the books.
Great prediction on Euron acquiring Viscerion.
While listening to your video it dawned on me that I must need to read ASOIF for a 7th time. To honor the Seven and bring about the WOW. Praise Garth.
Robot bran was a terrible choice. However, I imagine it would be almost impossible for a young actor to portray an all knowing god-like figure. I feel bad for all the actors tbh
Personally, I would love to hear LML do a 1st Cersei chapter re-read again after crafting his skills over the years. She’s batshit fucking crazy.
oh god that’s a GREAT chapter good call
He’s really honed in on this shit in a super clear, concise, well thought & spoken way anymore, it’s always been great content but is especially fire lately 🔥🔥🔥
@@DavidLightbringerbro get some friends to do a legitimate theatric audiobook. I know it would take a lot of work from a lot of people, 20ish people reading likes 2-5 main characters and split up tge random characters. It could be really cool
Something that's been on my mind:
I'm no expert, but I do watch a lot of your videos and like learning more about the World of Ice and Fire. That being said, I find it interesting that even though the children of the forest are more elvish than anything, they are referred to as "children". Probably because it's the humans, or the first men, who came up with that name, and didn't know what else to call them. George has talked about putting unicorns in The Winds of Winter, but they are probably going to be massive goats with one horn. There seems to be a trend on naming things wrongly... or at least in such a way to hide what they truly are. With that being said I've always thought the term Green Men was kinda funny. Why are the crannogman not called Green Men, and are the First Men and Green Men the same or different. I tend to lean towards them being different, or at least Green Men being a subclass of the First Men.
I recently watch a video of "The disputed lands," and she brought up that Garth the Green had green hands, and that maybe the Weirwoods used to have green hand-like leaves before whatever happened, happened. I think the most plausible explanation is that whatever happened on the God's Eye during The Pact is what made the Weirwood turn ash white, and bare red leaves.
With all that out of the way, what if Green Men were Ents? And what if the Pact was the Green Men planting themselves to achieve immortality, and the Children are the gardeners who watch over them, and are allowed to link up with the new found Weirwoods to also be granted immortality. I don't know, other races do exists, and there is evidence that most races are still around somewhere on Planetos, presently, but Green Men are weirdly absent. Just a thought.
Love the videos. Keep up the good work!
so yeah I agree with a lot of this, the more I look at the green men through symbolism and such, the more they seem like tree people straight up. they definitely seem to be the original spirits of the trees, whereas the children are like the caretakers, exactly. I believe that the pact is something that happened during the long night, and yes it would have been around this time that the weirwoods would have been altered. check out my timeline heresies series!
Tyrion could definitely be a chimera! I always loved that one, bc it is centered on Joanna's throuple'y relationship with TPOD (The unnamed Princess Of Dorne). This would make Tyrion the result of Aerys' and Tywin's seeds fighting for primacy in Joanna's woom.
Cersei and Jaime are definitely Aerys', It is known, LOL😜
If Tyrion is not a chimera, I also like the idea that Tywin has a narrow urethra, and none of his kids are actually his (just like Bobby Hill is really Bill Dautereve's, hahaha) 😜🤣
I just realised that if Cersei is pregnant again after Tommen is killed and Myrcella (commits suicide?), this could be a moment for Cersei to internally “disprove” her prophecy. If she has more than 3 children then she will think she might also continue living. It would then be very poetic/sad if she is killed by a valonqar while pregnant. What do you all think?
I’m down for a whole four hour stream on Lady Barbry(?) Dustin and the crypts
Those Theon chapters have soooo much juicy information in them 🤤
At Danny's alchemical wedding, the ingredients seem to be,
1. Drogo.(kings blood?)
2. Miri maz dur (holy blood?)
3. Dragon (magical beast)
4.comet.
Jon's resurrection magical ingredients.
1. Shireen (kings blood)
2. Melisandre (holy blood)
3. Magical beast (Ghost)
4. Comet.
I'm just playing around with ideas, not really sure how this would play out
I also wonder if it's not (god's forbid) children's blood -- baby Rhaego at Dany's and baby Monster at Jon's.......
.... and possibly attempt on baby Rhaegar's life at Summer Hall 👀
Clegane symbolism related to Cerberus. Lends credence to sandor having a hodor moment!
oh right of course. he’s the dog of the crossing haha
Love the symbolism!
I really enjoyed this format, fantastic stuff :P
Yet again great video David, hope to catch the next one live!
I fell asleep half way through the stream so just caught up on it now. Coldhands is always super intriguing. he is def associated with the original long night some how, potentially the only survivor of the 12. My memory is a little hazy but I’m sure you have a theory about AA & bloodstone emperor being the same person - along with some sort of good and bad brother situation (one had the dark meteor sword the other had the whiter sword). My lil bit tinfoily theory on Coldhands is that he could be the ‘good’ brother who has been left wandering and protecting the frozen north for millennia as his own form of penance for not being able prevent his brother from starting the long night? Obviously he is trapped beyond the wall anyways but Idk! Really fun live stream cant wait for the next one
This was a fun concept to watch! Also, a question about Skagos at 1:17:39 - if they are Greenseer based, and notoriously (potentially deliberately) isolationist, could it be relevant that Skagos is located right on the other side of Storrold’s Point/Hardhome, a convenient old-as-balls deep water port with a funky history?
tell me more
hahaha I'm here for it!
It all seriousness though it does kind of sound like the Isle of Faces when you talk about it like that
Another great stream, with a compelling format.
Dany will fly Tyrion around the pyramid 3 times on her dragon like Visenya did for the little Lord in the Vale.
Thanks for the awesome discussion David!
I’m reading Memory Sorrow & Thorn right now and I can’t help but see a bunch of elements from MS&T combined to rhyme with Hodor’s whole situation. There’s one character who remains behind to defend a choke point so others can flee, and another character who was once a great and noble knight but is reduced to a hulking oaf with immense physical capabilities. It’s beyond coincidence how many similarities the two series share, and it’s wonderful.
100% agree with your prediction for Manderly/Stannis alliance.
I wish Arya could give the gift of mercy to her mother since she was the one who dragged her out of the water to be saved. But it's impossible. As you say Stoneheart's time is at an end. 🤧
Excellent stream ! loved the format, it was fun an innovative ! also thanks for answering my super chat. Looking forward to the next stream !
Fun stream, David. 😃
another fantastic watch and listen. helps me through my day!
Enjoyed another stream, the winds of winter are blowing, I feel there cold chill!
The Boltons eat Manderley to survive the sedge?
Amazing long term deep dive with Religious Zelots. Dream of Spring plot methinks.
I dont leave enough commments considering i watch your videos pretty much every night before bed and fall asleep and like 4 full livestreams in a row every day lol. I swear i must be some massive % of your watch time lol
Loved this live! Tysm ❤ hope all is well!
I hope that in Skagos, we see Ricko 's relatives. His great grandma could still be alive (old Nan part 2). Could be a great moment on a download for stark history.
I think Neds mother is still alive and could be on Skagos
Great work!
Excited to watch this one sucks I missed the live. Gotta work so I can contribute to the David’s broken ass phone fund lol
Great stream thank you!
Helena is my favorite Green.
I'm not sure what it means, or if I think too much of it, but if Ned's head is stuck in/on the neck, that's where you would expect to find a head that's alive. Instead we want the head to be in the crypt, where dead heads are supposed to go. Does this signify some sort of life/undeath? I don't think Ned's a zombi, but the symbolism is there.
The Euron-Trump comparison had me laughing uncontrollably. It's so true lol
I agree with the comment about the Ragnar Lothbrok twining hair cut 😅😅...it looks good on you 😊
During the long night the comet will be the sun…a red, bloody sun while everybody dies.
Dunno if this has ever been discussed, but is there a possibility that Littlefinger could come into contact with Lady Stoneheart? If she were to learn that he killed her sister, and I'm kinda liking the idea that Arya could discover her first while possibly joining together for revenge missions. Maybe Lf could be abducted especially now that we know that Brienne has encountered her and maybe she and Arya could find Sansa together.
Brienne and Arya could take Baelish by force and perhaps he'd be executed in front of Stoneheart rather than at Winterfell. Oh and yes, somehow maybe Sandor can also be a part of it too not to mention Arya's wolfpack!
Fun way to do a live stream! Nice one
Fun stream, looking forward to The Mystery Knight! Thank you!!
I think it would be cool if Cold Hands was Danny Thront
Is darkstar paralel to the karstarks who have the dark star in their coat of arms? Jon is analog to Gandolf. Going from Stark grey to become a white, going over black.
Whoever read the HedgeKnight has that theory. Sandor is the Gravedigger.
You need to watch some animes, Attack on Titan, Death Note, Monster, there are so many you would like
Wooow loved the hair!!
Thanks for the great stream!
Did you talk about if Arthur Dayne is Mance Rayder…? If he is he can tell Jon everything and give him the Sword of the Morning. Mance has been trying to get in the crypts, maybe the sword is with Lyanna in her tomb for now. Robert said she deserved more than darkness…and the sun should be above her….still think Arthur and Lyanna would have fallen in love after Rhaegars true personality was finally revealed to them… unrelated the Mander river ends so close to Kings Landing, though only shallow boats to Bitterbridge… but if Eurons move after HT is KL he could probably take that route quickly.
i don’t give this theory much stock simple because Arthur Dayne is way too famous not to be recognized at Eastwatch, where Mance served.
Imagine Mr. Martin Just decides to Put the 5 years gap after twow so that the Long night brings Ruin to the world for 5 years but If thats the Case itight be better to instead shorten the skip
Also i Always asked myself why He let the 5 years gap Go
Is it because it was too Long? Why Not shorten it Just enough to that Events Play Out as they should and the characters age Just enough
Was ist because He couldnt handle describing whats been Happening for the Last 1-5 years?
Or was it that too much should Change in those 5 years so that He Had to make No skip at all
Quite curious and i Hope He gives us some sort of answer after twow would shed more light on His original plan
Great stream!
Not sure if that's what you eluded to, but the way you put it here, it almost sounds like Jon's vision atop the wall could be a metaphor/foreshadowing of Jon's inner fire battling the ice magic taking over his conciousness.
Or it could be R'hlor's fire that's fighting the Other's prescence and hold over Jon
Now that I think of it, what if the wall itself is a metaphor for the frozen weirwood net, mirrored by the wights climbing it. Then Jon's frozen armor could be implying Azor Ahai has some of the great Other in him, but powered by R'hlor he now returns to cleanse the weirwoodnet and set things right. Thus ending the long night and making the Night's Watch obsolete.
I think TWOW will begin and end the long night. I think most or at least half of the story will be the long night, then ADOS will be the scouring of the shire.
Edit:
I mean, think about this:
AGOT
ACOK
ASOS
AFFC
ADWD
TWOW
ADOS
One of these things is not like the other. It goes from the title starting with an indefinite article, 'a,' to starting with a definite article, "the." It's the only book in the series that starts with a definite article, which kind of makes it seem like it's going to be the one with the big event we're all thinking about.
That is, the rest of the books are A bunch of stuff happening, and TWOW is THE stuff happening.
Cool idea
Such good stuff 👍
Brienne had her Lothston shield repainted in the style of Dunk's shield back in Duskendale. I think she recalls seeing the tree and falling star shield at Tarth but it may not be the OG shield.
Can't wait for Winds
A small sacrifice to the algorith gods
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Dance of the Algorythm
David was saying how cool it’d be for Dany to have a moment with Rhaella - what if Quaith is a fire-wighted Rhaella who eventually resurrects Dany?
What about Lady Dustin?
good question. i could see her and Stannis having interesting dialogue once he takes WF
@@DavidLightbringer that would be an awesome team up. Good call.
Who would make it to the showcase on Westeros Price Is Right? My money is on Ser Davos, Lord Varys and Bronn!
I’m on the fAegon theory but I believe Young Griff will parallel Egg’s journey. He doesn’t know the truth and will it matter?
Maybe Ned rarely mention or visit Howland Reed because he was in on the prophecy stuff with Lyanna and Rhaegar when Ned wasn't really into it. Howland would have told him that it was needed for Lyanna to die in order for the prophecy to work or whatever and Ned wouldn't accept it and even be angry with Reed.
Personally I think the Long Night is going to fall at around the halfway point of Winds of Winter and it's going to last until 50-70% of A Dream of Spring. One, it kind of doesn't make sense for a book called Winds of Winter for said winter to only show up for the last chapter or two. Second if pretty much all of the Long Night takes place in A Dream of Spring, it isn't going to feel like much of a long night compared to the rest of the story, that was one of the many problems with the TV show. You really could have and should have done something like 8 eps out of a 10 ep season for the Long Night. Even if George has a lot of chapters where characters are mentioning "It's been a month since Arya last saw the sun" and "It's been two months since Sam last saw the sun", it's not going to have the same level of impact unless we're actually spending a good chunk of the runtime actually in the winter. Plus the Long Night should come when everyone has all these plans and goals they're working towards and just wipe all of that off the table.
So my guess for the Long Night is that about halfway through Winds the meteors are going to fall. And then Winds will spend the back half establishing how everyone reacts to the chaos and the fallout, and gathering the key players who will end the long night and they'll finally have something close to a plan by the end of the book. And A Dream of Spring will have them executing that plan and whatever twists and revelations come along the way. And then the back half of ADOS will be the Scouring of the Shire as well as resolving the various character subplots, giving them send offs, and the epilogue.
Dividing the Long Night into 50% of the WoW and 50-70% ADOS gives it an entire books worth of run time while not forcing the Scouring, the wrap up, and the epilogue to feel quite so crunched up.
i hear you but there is too much that needs to happen first for it to occur halfway through the book. he’s gonna struggle to get it in to this book at all
I was thinking what if George surprises us and releases winds and dream of spring at the same time
Perhaps Robb’s will has information about the pact of Ice and Fire?
Like the Cersei Kettleblack theory. Almost. Almost would make her sympathetic.
which one is this
@@DavidLightbringer Cersei being pregnant with one of her kings guard lovers.
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Great thoughts on Victarion and the fiery hands of r’hllor. Hoping the Smokey woman has something/some more to do with his story arch.
I think characters that actually fulfill prophecies are unaware of the prophecy. It seems like when people try to fulfill a prophecy, they get it wrong (which still could help the prophecy in the end, like Rheagar thinking his first son is the prince that was promised still helped the prophecy by driving Dany out of her home, leading her to become the person she needs to be to fulfill the prophecy, and by fathering Jon). I think to fulfill, they have to be somewhat unaware of the prophecy, at least until they’re already on the path to the endgame.
it's interesting that neither Dany nor Jon is thinking about themselves in terms of prophecy at all at this point in the story
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I cant remember all of the details and examples that made me think about or notice this but regarding Jamie, I think theres potential foreshadowing for him ending up in the nights watch. On one of many re-reads I picked up on a range of poignant things about him which stood out to me as being symbolism relating him to the nights watch. Again i cant remember what off the top of my head but things in the same space as, for example how in one of Catelyns first chalters it opens with "her heart felt as though it were turning to stone". That type of stuff for Jamie only with "Black", "Crow", "Watcher" and "Brotherhood" symbolism. Read his chapters with this in mind and maybe youll see what I mean. In his intro Qorin is also described as having learned to be "even deadlier with a sword with his left hand after losing use of his right". Jamie in the watch could align with his ark for honor etc, as well as unite some of his Azor Ahai symbolism. . . Just a thought. I know its out there 😊
You know what would be a fun game is some kinda “stump the buff” game where people call out any chapter in asiof and you have to find symbolism that matches your theories i.e. moon meteors or Nissa Nissa/nights queen, etc. I’m relistening right now and having a hard time finding a chapter WITHOUT parallels to this stuff
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Have you ever heard of the strange twist on the azor ahai phrophecy? That it was Rhaegar who was the true heir, Lyanna was Nissa Nissa and Jon is Lightbringer? Granted it doesn't go with the popular theories but I feel like they go with the obvious hero tropes that the books like to subvert. Azor Ahai already has strong similarities with King Arthur and Excalibur, and we can see it with lyanna, since Lyanna is always associated with blue and could represent "the lady of he lake" (and possibly guinevere in some versions) that gives Arthur excalibur. The Night's Watch already has a line about them being a "sword in the darkness". We know how GRRM likes to play with tropes and expectations and how phrophecies dont usually turn out how you want them to, so imagine that the big savior so many characters have been looking and hyping for already came and went with no one really noticing because the timing didn't match up to what they thought it would. It's why the Melisandre's visions can't show her Azor Ahai flat out despite her talent, the magic being at a high point or her optimal location, but when she prays for a glimpse of him it shows her Snow, the main identifyer of the saviour.
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I think Skagos is probably definitely volcanic: Skagos means Stone, Skagosi = Stoneborn. The most important stone in terms of trade, survival, symbolism, etc. is Obsidian. We know the Wildlings used to trade obsidian to the Watch, but we've never seen a quarry, so where did they get it from? Skagos is a pretty good guess. Also, most of the islands in our world either are or were volcanic. And, finally, Hardhome isn't too far away, and if it wasn't dragon eggs that blew that place up, it was probably a volcano, right?
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