ValleyFair Is “Setting The Table” For A NEW Major Roller Coaster!
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2023
- Valleyfair's Park President recently said that they are going to focus on some infrastructure for the park before they can add a new major roller coaster! For years now we have been speculating as to when Valleyfair will get their next roller coaster, and now we know that the park is taking the first steps to make this happen!
So what type of roller coaster should we expect Valleyfair to build and when will it open?
I share with you all of my thoughts about the latest rumors coming out of Valleyfair!
Valleyfair, your time is coming!
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Another thing to keep in mind is that Minnesota more specifically the Minneapolis area is currently in a bid to host a big world expo in the summer of 2027. That event is expected to bring an estimated 14.3 million visitors to Minnesota as well as 2.4 billion dollars in economic impact. I can guarantee you CF is eyeing this and if Minnesota is in fact selected for the event, I can guarantee you Valleyfair will see some investments leading up to it as I think CF will want to draw people visiting for the World Expo to the park that summer. I think we see a B&M invert added along the size of Talon and Patriot. Wouldn't be as expensive as a ride like Banshee and I think if Minnesota gets the World Expo, they'll want to make the investment.
That would be awesome to see!
Good luck .......
This would be a great 50th Anniversary gift for ValleyFair!
We are there this weekend, the spot of antique cars is barren and left to go so that near park entrance makes me wonder but also by excalibur too
I hope something good!
They're doing the right thing by improving these neglected parks! Thanks for keeping up with this
They are doing great things!
Love the explanations and speculation. I think a B&M of any kind would be amazing. I really hope it happens.
Me too! Thank you for watching!
I live in Philadelphia and Dive coasters in the back seat are my FAVORITE. The only hope I have of a dive, is Busch Gardens OR Cedar Point. If Dorney gets this dive that’s a BIG deal! Hershey and Great Adventure don’t have a dive!
Huge deal and a genius move by CF
Still think a B&M invert is a possibility. Shame that B&M hasn't built one with *both* a batwing *and* interlocking corkscrews, and Valleyfair! would benefit tremendously from both!
That would be legit if they added those elements!!
A B&M mini dive won't be a bad fit for Valleyfair!, but there's a major problem with this layout. Building the top of the lift, drop, and immelmann *directly by the entrance* is bad for park optics. It's going to dwarf everything else in the skyline (except Wild Thing), which discourages guests from cycling through the rest of the park. This is even more problematic if Valleyfair! plans on reprofiling High Roller with Gravity Group (desperately needed, I'd argue) and building a banked dip into the turnaround. That change is not going to be as visible from the parking lot with an immelmann and cobra roll blocking it (as awesome as a cobra roll on a dive would be).
As a lifelong Minnesotan, I don’t give a crap about a skyline, just please give us a damn good rollercoaster.
@@landdo93 You can get a great layout and a balanced skyline, though. Putting the lift right and vertical drop right next to the entrance is dramatic, but it just sets expectations too high for the rest of the park.
As a Minnesotan, I’m excited!
I was just at WOF today (contracted to do some work in the park potentially) and ZZ looks awesome. Wish I could have taken some pictures, but was not permitted. Can’t wait, I agree Cedar Fair is using it as a testing ground for smaller parks and perhaps giving WOF a proper overhaul in time for its 50th and before the World Cup.
That’s awesome! Thanks for sharing! From what I have seen, the new ride really looks great and very low to the ground
They Need an Invert so bad a looping inverted one
Yes!!!
To be honest I could see a lot of options for this park. Here's some I had in mind (not in order):
-Gerstlauer infinity/invert (would have to be launched)
-vekoma STC/tilt/bermuda blitz (can be launched too)
B&M dive/invert/wing (can be launched)
-intamin LSM launch coaster (any model) (ideally something small)
-RMC raptor
-wildcard pick: mack big dipper (with launches)
Pretty much anything is viable for this park, as long as it has some inversions. If cedar fair wanted to get experimentative, they could, since adding a coaster here and it being a flop would have much less of an impact than say at CP or KI.
Oh! I LOVE the Vekoma Bermuda Blitz! Idea!!! Love it!
They don’t work with intamin and possibly rmc
@@WCfanboy watch EltoroRyan's recent video on Dorney's new coaster if you want some context behind Intamin and CF's relationship
i am so exited for this!
My home park finally getting a new coaster!
This is prolly will be the best addition!!! So Exited For This!!!
A Vekoma STC would be awesome but I like your idea for the mini dive as well.
Ty I wish they could get both!
@@TP_Recommendations Honestly, VF really needs it. Put the STC in the dinos area. Remove Corkscrew and place a mini dive over the water. So many possibilities. VF really isn't that tight for space. Its there, they just need to be creative.
Whatever their next roller coaster will be, it should be called Excelsior. That was my friends idea as he's a huge Marvel fan, and that was Stan Lee's famous catchphrase. But the real reason it should be called Excelsior is because it would be a great tribute to the parks predecessor Excelsior Amusement Park in nearby Excelsior, MN.
dorney has been really busy the last two years so i feel like they realized dorney is growing even without these major investments. so i can only imagine how much it will grow with a new coaster
Yea valid points! I love dorney!!
Dorney is a great small park with a great location and it's nice to see Cedar Fair give it some love finally
If I were designing a mini dive for the park, I'd build the lift, turnaround, and first drop east and north of High Roller's turnaround. That uses more of the Dinos Alive footprint and frames the ride's peak sightlines to the right of the other coasters. I'd avoid the standard dive formula and add a vertical loop after the drop (Valleyfair! and Michigan's Adventure are the only parks in the chain without a modern vertical loop), followed by the cobra roll, and then a small immelmann next to the station. Everything else would be airtime hops and banked turns (except maybe a corkscrew - why not go for 5 inversions without a MCBR?) in front of High Roller. Dramatic, but not overbearing on the rest of the skyline.
That area you showed is actually the old, old time cars ride. The dinos alive area is behind the high roller, where you see the buildings used for Halloween haunted houses, and the space is like 3x the size of that plot.
Hope they get a really great coaster for their park! Always exciting to see new coasters added to Cedar Fair parks especially!
Yes I agree!! Thanks for watching! 🎢
I think the new Zambezi Zinger is going to do wonders for WoF, and in doing so CF could be trying to elevate all of their lower tier parks to a point where they can say something like, "even our lowest tier parks are still better than SF mid tier parks". Further establishing the brand as less in competition with SF and more in competition with Seaworld/Busch Garden parks.
I agree 💯
I respect that you completely remade this because of that tiny Zambezi zinger slip up. You got game sir.
Ty! I appreciate it
Went to Vf when I was like 12 I just moved back to Shakopee haven't hit Vf crazy to see that corkscrew is only upside down coaster ..This pRk should be awesome but just a 3 out of 5 ..
Well If CGA does close I'm sure RMC would have a 2.0 Raptor Train by then.
Though Cedarfair and the land owners are going to have a lot of trouble from the locals and city council. Also with big tech shrinking and decreased demand for the land in the silicon valley it might be more cost effective to keep the park going. We will just have to deal with being treated like valleyfair for a few years.
Why would they have trouble with the locals?
@@travisvanalst4698 it is because the locals do not want a warehouse on the spot of an amusement park
yeah i was thinking a b&m in the front, that sounds like a crazy good idea.
i have another idea for another coaster later on, maybe a custom rmc raptor that sits on the place that looping starship used to be and that one restaurant (forgot what it was called). but if they also tear down mad mouse (because that ride is hot garbage and it is next to that restaurant) they could get a really sick raptor with an airtime hill and a zero-g stall over the pathway between the looping starship plot and restaurant/mad mouse. they could also add a norwegian loop, dive loop, zero-g roll, etc. just a speculation for a coaster after the b&m in the front, most likely 2029-2032.
Love your ideas and speculation!
@@TP_Recommendations hey thanks a lot!
We've been to Valleyfair a couple times now. With the most recent visit in 2019. It's a beautiful and rather charming park! Hopefully Excalibur isn't going anywhere because that coaster rocks! And it would stink to lose a classic Arrow, but the Corkscrew location is perfect for a B&M invert. With that said, I love your idea of a Vekoma Suspended Thrill Coaster. Ideally, Corkscrew would stay too and that plot at the front of the park would be used, as you suggested. A Dive Coaster would be meh. But better than nothing. Anything there would be a nice look as you approach the gates. Fingers crossed. The park deserves some love.
Valley Fair is my home park, and knowing the quality of coasters we currently have, I wouldn't be surprised if they just relocated a Vekoma boomerang here lmao. Imho, they should tear down Wild Thing and RMC High Roller.
yeah tear them down... and have nothing to replace them... pretty much you just killed your theme park. Wild Thing is pretty fun... the camel after the drop is some of the best air time youll get anywhere... the rest of the ride is just so so... but its fun.... Infinity coaster at this park would make alot of sense or a b&m invert... but probably to expensive. We will see i guess.
@@nathanmcmenamin3748 If they tear it down, I would hope for a solid replacement from a more modern hyper/giga manufacturer.
Worst idea ever? High roller is a classic and a bad rmc candidate, it’s not even rough, and wild thing is perfectly fine
@@WCfanboy They're both dreadfully boring. High Roller was made worse with the 6-person cars.
As a ride op for High Roller, I lowkey would love to see it RMC'ed with the station moved out of planet snoopy to where the turn around is, but it's very unlikely they would do that. It's been a lot of kid's first roller coaster. It is a classic wooden coaster and I've seen how much that ride means to guests. I think a better option would be for Gravity Group to redo it. The station especially needs to be improved for those PTC trains to have faster operations. I feel like a Vekoma STC would fit the park well. The only issue is that the Minnesota River tends to flood up there behind High Roller. Our associate parking lot was completely underwater at the beginning of season. There's been times where Excalibur and Thunder Canyon has been flooded too. I'm not sure how much that would affect the dino area though
You know it funny the park were cedar fair gets the fair have not got a coaster since I was born
It's sad.
This just means we need to support WOF this year to show CF that investments in their smaller parks DO matter!
Yes!!! Let’s go!!
I definitely think new Vekoma is the most realistic as their next coaster. That said, I doubt it'll be very soon. I can see them getting some cloned model after that same clone has already been built elsewhere in North America. I would like to be more optimistic but that's what I honestly think will happen. Not that a new Vekoma wouldn't be cool. Just that they'll wait for it to spread like the next S&S 4D Free Spin, Vekoma Boomerang or Vekoma SLC and I don't think it will get the coaster until it is already less of a national draw.
Yeah a free spin could work. But you have the one at Adventureland 4 hours away
@@TP_Recommendations I'm not predicting a Free Spin. You're right that Adventureland would be reason not to go in that direction. I'm just saying that I think Cedar Fair won't give Valley Fair a new thrill coaster unless it's a cloned coaster that has already become wide spread in a similar fashion to rides like Free Spins, SLCs, Boomerangs, B&M Batman models or Skyrocket IIs. I guess I'm just saying that the chain won't even let them get an early clone. They'l wait until they've become fairly ubiquitous and possibly cheaper and more proven and then they'll finally deign to give one to Valley Fair. I'd love to be wrong and for the park to get an original coaster. We'll see.
Sorry, I need to be as optimistic as you Brandon.
Corkscrew is actually one of the smoothest arrow loopers you will ever go on. They need somehting bigger though.
Kids and short people get headbanged in the helix, it's fun to hear
Nice explanation video Brandon I like the way your see the improvements, I think they are gonna get ready for expanding before anything then start working on a project I would like to see a Zamperla Double Heart model or a Dive Coaster. The reason being there no Dive close enough to the area so a dive close by would be cool for Valleyfair. Also they could either go with Vekoma’s Super Boomerang or Zamperla’s Double Heart model.
I think a gerstlauer infinity would be a great fit here, with or without a launch
I would love this move, but the mall of America around 15 minutes away. Already has a euro fighter. So maybe too similar?
@@TP_Recommendations oh that’s true actually, if they did go with Vekoma I think lots of their models could work, the STC, Wildcat/Bermuda blitz models, or the tilt coaster could also work maybe
Another one? There’s one 20 minutes away at the Mall of America.
I'm taking photos of construction once I get there!
So glad that Cedar Fair is investing in these smaller parks again. It would be great to see Valleyfair get a new coaster, and I think a mini dive would be perfect, especially considering the marketing potential.
Are they? Cuz nothing has been confirmed and as far as I’m concerned, they still are not investing in them.
Worlds of fun? Dorney Park new dive. That’s a good investment :)
I have an idea for possible never before seen elements on a B&M dive coaster. Which is a zero G Stahl and an outer bank turn similar to steel vengeance. Imagine those elements on a B& M Dive coaster.
I would love a Banana Roll
@@ThrillsofColdplay how about a jojo roll out of the station.
@@favroitetiger2351 would be nice
@@ThrillsofColdplay or how about hydraulic launched Dive coaster.
thank you for finally uploading this.. 100%% i appreciate it .. if anyone in the chain we deserve a coaster/ need one bad.. 20 years is just ridiculous.. you cant go that long with out adding anything.. point blank its business management 101...you need to invest in coasters to get profit and attendance ...now with that being said.. do i think a Dive is good for the park.. no i honestly dont.. yeah it will be the only one in the area.. but they one trick ponys.. and they super expensive .. something like what you came up with. which btw THANK You for putting the layout out.. and rendering of the area around it.. i fell would be WAYY over budget for VF.... something like that easily would be like 16 to 17 millon. probably even more.. and honestly i dont see them adding something that much.. now what we need is an inversion based coaster and your right.. something that goes upside down more then cork does.. that is why the invert will kill at our park.... and were currently the only cf park with out a full circuit invert. and we dont need something BIG not new gen.. something old school.. compact. whippy .. like 115 ft or under.. something like talon/afterburn. with like 5 inversions.. WILL do wonders at our park .and honestly wouldn't break the bank.. prob 14 or under...yes B&M are expensive but their worth it.. OR l also agree if they want a invert. but dont want to break the bank.. Give us that new vekoma stc .. i heard those SICK!!! and they look fire.. But i want a original custom layout .. something longer .. with like 5 inversions.. that would also kill at our park.. and would look nicely in the dinos plot of land with the rendering of the plaza area you had around it.. what ever happens its better be fast.. 20 years is too long.. we over due.. and thats what i have been hearing our 50th anniversary we will finally get a coaster. but still thats another 2 years. and i hope and pray we dont have to wait that much longer.. i guess time will tell. we will see what happens.. love your channel dude. keep up the amazing work.. you rock!!! 100%% :) :)
Thank you for taking the time to leave the comment! Really apprecaite it! And i love Valleyfair :)
@@TP_Recommendations love you bro :) :)
@@TP_Recommendations thank you love you bro :) :)but yeah i honeslty hope we dont have to wait till 2025 for our coaster.. for our 50th.. thats way to long... 100%% like you said hopefully next year.. hastag give us the invert for 2024!!! :) :)
They can actually, they get their profit and attendance from other parks
Can it be? The phasing out of old Arrow Loopers for B&M dives?
Correction: The “interview” with VF GM was a Q&A during a small enthusiast event at VF
2026 is the 50th anniversary, seems like that year could be the target?
Its about time
I know everyone keeps thinking dive coaster or Gerstlauer for Dorney, but that footprint could also be a thunderbolt model from Zamperla.
Very well could be! Great prediction!!
I've honestly given up on VF getting a new coaster. Former pass holder and and multi-thousand lap rider. I'd rather spend my money on one trip a year traveling to a park I haven't been to. ValleyFair has become boring.
Yes same here. Adventureland in altoona is amazing and headed for phantom fest this fall. Six flags illinois is further there also is lost island in waterloo ia
I live in margos forehead area.
Fargo moorhead
Great video
Thank you!
Love the logistic side of coaster builds! (I know I’m odd lol) Most people I don’t believe think about what all needs to happen when building new coasters. I totally get that too.I love wondering what could fit or what would be cool as much as everyone else. Looking at you KI! Give me RMC SOB! 😅but Knowing cost, what works what doesn’t work. Can it be marketed well, does the infrastructure meet requirements for that build. I find very interesting. Because if the formula is there logically, then we might see it come to said park. Great Video !
I love that kind of stuff as well! Thank you my friend! Hope all is well your way!
@@TP_Recommendations Going very well, keeping riding Coasters ! 😎 Hopefully hitting up Kennywood at the end of May or early June.
I can tell you one thing, B&M inverts are better and more comfortabke then a Vekoma STC
Well wof will see me and my brother this year. Looking forward to zinger. May go to silver dollar city too
Def do SDC :)
@Theme Park Predictions & More! yeah I mean it's only three hours away from wof.....wof is 8 1/2 away and yeah time traveler.....
I honestly think it won’t be this but a Vekoma Bermuda Blitz would be awesome here. They don’t have a big intensity machine and Lech Coaster is known for its intensity. So maybe????
That would be an amazing addition!!
.....and more flat rides too...they took a bunch out that had inversions... pirate ship, enterprise, top spin
Great design, I wish they would also take down Excalibur due to it being very uncomfortable and out there and use that to expand the water park some and combine Thunder Canyon with the water park
If the valleyfair coaster were opened in 2025, this could be a major 4 years for the smaller parks. We already have Zambezi Zinger, Dorney Park's dive for 2024, a possible coaster for Valleyfair in 2025, and Worlds of Fun possibly with the 2026 world cup game. Maybe 2027 is Michigan's Adventure's year!!??
Could be wild! I’d love to see it!! Thanks for watching! 🎢
That intamin coming to KD lol that’s why they’re looking at Velocicoaster one could only dream 😂😂😂
Valleyfair needs a invert. NOT a dive.
At this point who would complain? There are no other dive coasters within 700 miles away.
There’s an inverted coaster 300 feet away 😂
Please, cedar fair, give Michigan's adventure a new ride, I want something more than a 20 year old relocated slc
😂
You’re too close to Cedar Point lol, we have nothing here in Minnesota! 😢
I could also see something at Michigans Adventure in 2025 and then valley fair in 2026
I’d love to see it! Thanks for watching! 🎢
You should make a video of silver dollar city new ride
Chance hyper gtx
It's been so long, I almost feel like there's a better chance we'll see Half Life 3 at this point.
gta 6 too lol
@guiderex2514 Well I guess now we know the timeframe for at least one of these, lol.
Will Dorney Park EVER get a modern wooden coaster?
Maybe?
Bring back the FLume
Going to be honest Valleyfair was on the bottom of the list when I think about what parks should get a Dive Coaster however after watching this Valleyfair is now one of those parks on top of the list! Nothing like it for miles away! I also really like its location at the front! Could be a great way to start the day at the park when going to Valleyfair and seeing the coaster!
Haha I love how I can make YOU change your mind lol (it’s not an easy thing to do)
Hope you’re well bro!
@@TP_Recommendations I’m always well. :)
I am thinking seeing how Cedar Fair does not invest into Valley Fair or Michigan's adventure they should just sell both parks. This would give them more working capital to invest in Cedar Point. Valley Fair is my home park I would like to be able to visit the park but it is so boring after visiting other parks that are much better.
Lord almighty what have I started here, lol.
Why did you upload the same video twice
He called Zambezi zinger a gravity group.
He remade it to correct that. Mad props
@@stevenohlson5476 sorry I missed that
Whoops lol
They should just replace everything other than Renegade lmao. All new coasters, real coasters…
This park needs something inverted, anything else just feels like a waste.
Yeah it would be a great fit! Thanks for watching! 🎢
No new coaster until 2025!
I think it would be in 2024
Most likely
@@TP_Recommendations it’s just my guess love your videos
Stetting ? Lol
Thanks lol
Nope valley fair not getting a new coaster
Michigan adventure won't get anything. Tax write off.