WHY do these cost so much?
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- Опубликовано: 3 мар 2022
- The used car market continues to baffle us. Today we’re guessing the prices of real listings to see how insane prices have gotten. This is the D-List!
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I personally think 40k for the professionally built drift car was a steal
If your looking for a drift car or track car for yourself then probably but considering its not road legal and most people don't have the experience needed to work on something like this its not something you would actually want to buy.
it is
@@Iosis6 You might be right, however, bro it's a original FD car like wtf that is a freaking still even if you're gonna put it in a garage
@@julio_____rdz agree, it's 40k as a collector piece alone
It's too new to really be a collector car and the market for someone that can actually use it is incredibly small. If you were to race this in a series it would cost far more in maintenance/consumables than $40k.
Please keep these coming, what's happening to used car prices right now is a f**kin joke.
It's crazy! Even new cars are selling above msrp
it’s all due to a shortage of silicon if i’m right
720QPB yes it’s because most computer chips come from a factory in Taiwan that has had a lot of covid related shutdowns along with a spike in demand after people had to work or go to school from home.
Keep in mind some of these cars are absolute pristine editions of their models.
Only because sellers are trying to get rich before everything goes to shit. Like seeing 300k mile Rangers for $4k, or 300k mile civics for $3-4k. It’s insane. All artificial, and because sheep keep following each other. And don’t even get me started on THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLAR 300k mile Tacomas.
7.3 Diesel Excursions were ridiculously powerful for their time. Engines are resilient, and shares many parts within the F250-350 families. Family had one for 20 years, it was a shame to see it go!
Like 300,000 miles is just breaking in a 7.3 they will last forever i had a 93 f250 and I still hate myself for selling it
i saw one a month ago i didnt know they were worth alot, i like them tho
I own one. Easy to drive even though its huge and runs great. Only had to replace the power steering once.
@Thor Odin son Hell yeah you could scalp that for 100k !!!!! Too the moon !!!!!
It had 16k miles. it had forever to go. if it was king ranch it could easily be $100K especially in todays used car market
The Excursions still sell so well because of what they can do - haul a large family and a large RV trailer or a track car for example. Those kind of vehicles aren't really made anymore.
Plus those engines were bulletproof and still run well.
All of them, surprisingly.
Not with the gas prices now.
lol, still not worth 100k, besides whoever spent 100k for that thing is probably not going to use it at all
I would settle for a 4Runner, but thanks to Scotty Kilmer and inflation, I’m gonna see if I could actually ride a lightning bolt like Dusty Rhodes.
All the pre-emissions diesels are way overpriced.
Integra Type R was always the dream but at those prices I’ll happily continue to drive the wheels off of my GSR without feeling like I’m simultaneously loosing my net worth.
GSRs are super rad and give up very little. You're a lucky person
What’s the difference between the type R and GSR?
Just k swap and make it way better than a type r
@@pablonevarez2853 motor is slightly different. Bumped up the power. Chassis is stronger and better suspension
Lol I'll just be happy with my gs over in the corner 😂😂
"Jeremiah won, but we all lost" is a such a good way to sum up these episodes
😆😆 it was the journey, not the destination
Everyone loses with inflation
You spoiler
@@erikdiehl3134 pay attention to the video you’re watching 😂
Yo what’s up i sac
My dad used to have an excursion, the really desirable one too, 7.3 with 4x4. One if the nicest trucks I've ever been in even to this day. Keep in mind this truck was built in the mid 2000s. I never knew how much he bought it for but I'd imagine a lot less than they go for nowadays. It was back in like 2005-6ish. I assume they are so expensive now bc the really desirable ones are hard to find and if you do find them it's usually 300k+ miles.
They were very expensive even back then. Just a few are selling for more than msrp.
They built (sold = accurate a statement) the 7.3L diesel X-cursion till mid 2003. Then they built the 6.0 diesel till 2005. In other countries like Australia, its been said you could buy a 7.3L till about 2005.
I own a 2000 7.3L Limited 4x4.
221k miles. Some rust, yet runs great. If you built our vehicle today, as closely as you could, even by 2022 standards, it would be $100k MSRP easily. Seats 8 pretty well. Goes about in bad weather & Ice like a Snowmobile on NOS. Soccer moms used to own & drive these once Minivans were not cool to them any longer. My wife loves ours but I keep threatening to sell it since Diesel will be extinct in 25 days they tell me. & who questions the media's accuracy to tell us the facts about the world! Who wants it? 👀
New tires installed last yr!
@@here_for_the diesel won’t be gone, how do you think semi trucks and everything gets around, as a oil field worker I can surely tell you there is no need to worry
@@khouston2683 me paying $225 per fill up, means don't worry 😉 😅 ???
Its not crude oil im worried about. Its refining capabilities on shore. If just 1 refinery goes down right now, even for maintenance.
We haven't built a new refinery in long time. Climate Cry baby's wont give permits.
We will be paying $7 or more per gallon if refineries hav any issues. Like all the mysterious fires at neat packing plants in last 18 months??? Sure, there will be diesel. Just cost us all as much as a *MORTGAGE PAYMENT every month*.
Its a 44 gal tank incase u dont know @ $5.29 GAL
@@here_for_the prices are high due to price gouging, not antifa
that 7.3 powerstroke is one of the greatest diesel engines ever made and with the way the market is nowadays I'm surprised it wasn't 150k.
Luckily they go for only $10k where I'm at, with the highest being $17k
My uncle bpught one for 1.5b
Yeah ok, you can find a 7.3 engine in the junkyard for $1k.
You want them before Ford started producing them. When they where built by international I believe. It’s actually a Semi truck block
The Excursion is so expensive because there is no other SUV to compete with it. It's basically an F250 with the 8 foot bed, but as an SUV. If you need that kind of truck, you have no other options.
10MPG they look pretty good with a moden front end swap too also plenty of them locally for 2003 Ford Excursion XLT
135,346 mi.
$9,290
Because nobody wants that
We had one when i was a little kid. We got it with one of those ridiculous push bar/cow catcher things. Was kind of disappointed when we got rid of it, and just recently when we were all together for an occasion we were going on a nostalgia trip talking about how we loved that thing.
Plus 2003 is one of the last years of the 7.3, and pre-emissions in the US.
Iv had my excursion for 2 years after looking at them for 6 years and as my daily driver i love it. Mind you it doesn’t go threw any hard work at all other then work home and little adventures. Absolutely a beast
My god, I used to have that exact prelude, like 10 years ago, I got it for 1500 bucks and ended up selling it for like $2000. This market is unreal right now
Same here, Ryan. I bought one for 2 thousand and sold it for 3 and thought I was a pimp.
Yeah definitely nuts. I got one for 3k and sold it for 5.
Never in a million years would I have thought 2nd and 3rd Gen prices would be more than $500 today. I should’ve kept mine.
240sx 14k
I hear ya, I had one back in 2002, paid $1200 for it, SI, same red, 5 speed with 120k miles, wish I'd kept it, instead I dogged it and bounced it off the wall daily lmao, it started using tons of oil and believe I bent a valve eventually, how I wish I could go back, very fun car to drive.
"We all lost, and we all continue to lose." You are absolutely 100% correct, sir!
Seriously, though -- the three of y'all should do more videos together. This was awesome!!
I recently bought and sold a 7.3 4x4 Excursion. It was fantastic, I got 20mpg below 65mph (and it had a 44 gal tank). It's a 1ton pickup with a permanent cab that's so heavy it's derated to 3/4 ton. Nothing like it exists today.
I love it when the gang gets together. They have such great chemistry and they're all really funny.
Just hanging out getting paid 💰
i would’ve liked ur comment but youre at 69 *nice*
It seemed like they didn't even want to be here.
@@jjlegend3922 yeah I felt like they were forced to do this episode to get paid but I can’t blame them it’s their job so what can ya do 🤷♂️
Not really
I love how Nolan is happy even when he doesn't get a point 😂 what a great guy
Played Nolan for that point 😂
He's part of the donut's holy trinity though
That's totally Nolan though, just happy to be there.
But 32k was closer to 30 than 25 so I'm a bit confused.
Nolan the Goat
As the proud owner of a 2001 Ford Excursion 7.3 four-wheel-drive I want to know why it doesn’t have its own episode on your channel? Clearly people value them!
I see Excursions all the time and I can't get over how big they are. They are beasts though and are pretty cool to me.
Frick, I loved this episode. I used to buy cars for a dealership, and my team and I would take guesses on what cars were worth before we plugged it into our pricing software. This video was straight up soul food.
“Frick” 💀
The D-List is what I look forward to the most on Donut. Such good vibes between these dudes.
Am I the only one who noticed that Nolan was closer to the price than Jerry but jerry got the point 😂
Bob Barker's ghost SHOULD haunt you.
It has to be lower
I love these videos as it helps remind me to ignore the used car market for a while longer still.
Thats INSANE...never thought an Integra would ever sell for that
Seriously, it’s a damn Honda underneath
Only the type R Integras are sought after. Even still my guess was 40k. Blew my mind that it sold for lambo price.
Makes you want to hold on to the old ones
i guessed 35k lmao
the most ive seen a integra typeR go for is 90k that was my guess, costs more than a nsx and the nsx is cooler and faster..
This happened to everything... I bought my 2011 Lacrosse CXS Touring for $7,500 right before the pandemic and now they sell for 10/14K with 150K all loaded up. My $5,000 Pontiac Vibe now goes and sells for 8k at most dealers. It's insane right now. (These are mid west prices)
I bought my 1996 4runner with 186k miles for $3500 right before everything went crazy. Now I'm seeing similar 4runners go for $10K+ all day long.
Dealer here. The chip shortage has essentially made used cars a huge commodity. I used to sell a lot of cars for 2k to customers for profit. Now those same cars are selling for 2500 or more *AT AUCTION.* It is insane...
I put a deposit down on a new Rav4 Prime in September, 2021. The only delivery date info I have from Toyota at this point is "definitely not this year". So when a pretty normal car from a large manufacturer takes ~2 years to deliver this is what you get. Really hoping my current car doesn't die in the mean time.
Kuilowkey
Worst car taste of all time.
Doughnut is embarrassed by your comment and you should be too
You wasted so much money it’s sin
December 2019 my Subaru Impreza sat on the lot for four months with five miles on the odo, which means it was never even taken for a test drive. I got it at below MSRP. Less then a year later car prices got crazy.
I just like seeing everyone applaud when the deal is remotely reasonable
My mom had an excursion growing up but we did live in a rural area and we had a family of 6 that truck was so fun for road trips going to relatives houses during holiday seasons.
I remember Integra R's going for 18/19 grand in the UK and being pissed off that they're too expensive for a toy.
They still are around that price in the uk
1997 VW golf GTI with 200000 miles, one missing taillight, rusted frame and oil hasn't been changed for 20000 miles
Price: 15000$
"No lowballers I know what I have"
2022 used car market in a nutshell
Golf sure is unstoppable
Accurate
Man that was a fun video, thanks for the good content. I've been smashing my head in watching all the conflict news cuz it's interesting but it's a nice break to see something surprising and have a few laughs
The Excursion is amazing! I was looking into excursions for 6 years, and finally bought one about 2 years ago. Its my DAILY driver and i love it!!!
Those Excursions are very valuable with the 7.3 powerstroke. They will run forever. They also seat 8 people. I would love to have one.
I have a great condition Limited 7.3l black with tan interior 2wd with 160k if you’re interested 😆
@@daviddoenges6200 sorry, I want 4wd
@@bcdieselsofficial mines 4wd😁
@@RR-ue4yi there you go!
@@bcdieselsofficial if your in California your welcome to make an offer😁
Damn… more of this show! It’s impressive to see and compare stupid prices in the US vs equally insane prices here in Europe. Great segment guys👍🏼
Love you 3! These segments are my favorite! Keep up the great work watch all the time !
Love this segment . As some one who had to buy a car during the pandemic do to a rear end wreck this hits so close to home
LOVE THIS GUESSING THE PRICE VIDEO GUYS KEEP IT UP
I love this series but it breaks my heart seeing these prices
There’s a couple of these around my town, they’re all rusted out, barely running and broken. Had one in the shop the other day with 180k on the dash and you would’ve thought this truck had gone 2 million miles
the fact that the Excursion sold for more than a C8 corvette just blows my mind
I had the chance to purchase an Excursion (one of my favorite SUVs of all time) for only 4k just a few months before Covid kicked off. I passed because it was a high mileage gasser (V10 IIRC) & ideally I want the 7.3L diesel. Oh how I regret having passed that up! It's now probably worth at least double what I would've paid.
Glad you passed... The V10 is actually the worst version of the excursion.... They go cheap af, even now, I can pick one up for $7k here in TX.... But good luck getting a deal on the Diesel Excursion, even the 2wd is going for about $48k, and thats been the going price for about 12yrs now
@@kbrownfocus is the V10 really that bad or is it just that the 7.3 is way more desirable? I could go without the turbo diesel if the V10 is at the least reliable, considering its 1/4 the cost.
@@sofloflow I used to be a Ford tech, the V10 had bad reliability, compared to the 7.3, and even the 6.0, but we all know the probs the 6.0 had. Almost every excursion I had come in with the V10 it had to have new heads, because the threads were too shallow, causing the plugs to pop out while driving. But alot of those could probably be fixed by now. The biggest prob with the V10 is mpg, I mean if you don't mind paying a premium filling up all the time, then the 7-10mpg won't bother you. Remember, it's an SUV body on an F250 frame, just remember that when you have to replace ball joints, brakes, suspension and all the other things that come with maintenance
@@kbrownfocus I hear ya. Appreciate the insight!
Nobody is gonna want that now with gas price's as high as they are lol. Thing would eat half you're pay check in gas
I love my Honda's/Acura's but I can't wrap my head around the current prices. For $112k you can have an INSANE build with tons of money to pocket. And with today's technology, a bolt-on GSR will do just as well. Let alone anything swapped with a K, H, J, or built B.
The seller of that car is targeting an audience who is rich. Not people making less than 40k a year.
@@julianbryant1115 He targeted all incomes. The bid started at $100 then a software engineer wanted the car so badly, he outbid everyone and spent the money for it. And seeing how you can import about 3-4 RHD ITR's for that price of one, he's targeting idiots. Has nothing to do with targeting a specific income level
My 95 GSR with JDM front end and K20A is far more fun than a Type R, but that car will hold its value due to pedigree, low mileage and original condition making it far more marketable.
Have you seen the price of b series stuff lately? The gap between b and k coming from a blank slate is not very big
@@jordang1408 I see 👀.
Love the content dudes, always super entertaining 🤙🏼 thank you and keep up the great work
Pops sold our dark green one decades ago, but my Uncle still maintains & drives his red Ford Excursion Limited! Interior is beat up & the brakes slow to respond, but hearing & feeling that powerful deisel engine rumble is priceless. TURBO DIESEL POWERRRR
I LOVE these videos. They might be some of my favourite Donut Media content ever! I hope they take advantage of the crazy market and make these a series
I would love to see an episode of either D-List, Bumper to Bumper, or Wheelhouse on the Ford Power Stroke line.
Hell yeah brother, always love when the V wagon makes the list. My favorite car. I have a 2011
I remember going to the ford dealership and reading the brochure loved that machine
In Finland/Europe I've seen 2nd gen mr2's (slightly higher mileage) go for 5-20k euros depending on condition.
In Western Europe all I see are MR2s in a very good condition for 3-5k euro
350Z is stonks tho in Europe. I got mine for 900$ from South Carolina copart auction last year, and they sell for minimum 18-19k Euro here
@@Brian-jv8iy damn on what site do they go for that low?
20 thousand euros for a second gen MR2!??!?!?!?!?!?! Just buy a plane ticket to NZ and find a beater for 10,000NZD max. and fix it up and go on holiday.
@@EyePatchGuy88 the 20k ones are usually super low mileage and cond.
I remember in 2017-ish when I was in the market for a cheap beginner car. I found a very high mile, rattle canned black integra type r for 3k on Craigslist. I opted for a saturn ion redline w/ 134k miles for 2k. In my defense, the saturn was the better choice AT THE TIME 🥲. I think I still have a screenshot on my IPod. I should make that into an NFT 🤣
😭🤣
Eww you bought a Saturn
@@angelgjr1999 And you have the awkward generation of mustang. But hey, everyone makes mistakes
@@-l-l3187 Lmfao. Every mustang generation is unique.
@@angelgjr1999 so are Saturns. But here we are lol
If one of this videos is 10mins long I spend like half an hour repeating their reactions and funny sounds. Love this
2:45 I've been trying to find an MR2 for years, they're impossible to find in the Midwest unless you want to restore a pile of rust.
Donuts videos make my day. And today I needed it. Good work guys thank you.
I love these try to guess the price videos, always hilarious James. At least you got second again😂
I don't know how Jer Bear is so good at it though
These videos entertain me and break my sprit at the same time! Cheers!
Donut I just bought my first hot hatch a 2012 Ford fucus in hot hatch red which definitely makes at least 10 extra hp I freaking love it and you guys inspired me to buy it I think I'll keep if forever
A guy I work with has one in great shape but the triton v8 is constantly ejecting spark plugs.
He breaks down in the middle of no where and constantly has to work on it. This is a common issue with those.
Love you guys! This is ridiculous to see what cars are selling for!
as much as i love learning from these videos... gotta say these are my favourites.
0:57 i love how Nolans project* car is used as the example for the junk car.
I love this! Keep doing this!
The reason the excursion sold for so much is because it has a factory 7.3L. Almost all but a few of them were the 6.0 PowerStroke.
They were produced from 2000-2006. The first 2 years the 6.0 wasn't even available, and 7.3 production went fairly deep into 03. I worked for Ford at the time. The 6.0, if maintained with the proper parts, and not leaned on with tuning, can be a decent engine. But most people can't resist plugging in a box, and turning up the power.
2000, 2001, 2002 and even half of 2003 they put in 7.3’s. So 2nd half of 2003, 2004 and 2005 were 6.0’s. So there are more years of the 7.3.
Wrong, plenty of 7.3 Exkys out there
I love this videos so much. Keep them coming.
I know the 7.3 Powerstroke Excursions are desirable, but $100K. You could get a fully loaded 2022 Ford F450 Crew Cab Limited (without any dealership options) and even with taxes (included) it would still be cheaper (only by few hundred dollars, but you get the point).
I love my 7.3 excursion. Even with the lift, oversized tires, bigger injectors/tuner, and massive bumper on the front, I can still (literally) drive a quarter of the way across the country on less than 1 tank of fuel.
Meanwhile my Subaru will go all the way across the country on that same amount of fuel...all I have to do is stop and fill it a few times. Is fuel capacity really an important feature in a vehicle???
@Penguin1290 Yes. The less time spent at a pump is more time spent moving down the road. I drive for a living and work 12 hour shifts. If I'm making a long drive on my days off or during vacation, I want to get to where I'm going with as little time spent around my vehicle as possible. People don't realize how much time is added on to a trip for something as small as stopping for fuel. On another note, you're doing your driving in a more modern lighter vehicle that's designed to get decent fuel economy. I'm literally traveling in a 23 year old 8000lb vehicle that's about as aerodynamic as your refrigerator, all while still averaging in the upper teens/low 20s on fuel economy. This is a task that's difficult for most modern, full sized suvs.
Inflation + plus soulless modern vehicles + hot market nostalgia = ...
Best one yet lol love this!! The reactions were priceless to the Excursion 😂
One of the best videos, great job
Excursions are getting hard to find.
Its crazy what these cars that 30 years ago were worth nothing. I remember the mr2 going for couple k at one point.
I bought my 7.3 f350 for 14k. I’ve recently seen similar trucks listed at 35k only a year and a half later.
lol i like how when they showed all the Integras they included the one they were guessing on. kinda blew the surprise when you could see the sold price right there. great vid as always, tho!
The ago old saying of... When prices go up they don't typically go back down... I sure hope this doesn't stay true for the car market.
The ford excursion was my moms FAVORITE suv she owned cause she said it drove and parked like a car when she was used to a 1999 Chevy Silverado LT, but she would be going 90+ through cities with an excursion and it was pretty expensive I think back then too I don’t remember.
thanks donut for exposing awesome cars that a few of us know the value of so now we can not afford it, thank you so much...
you're welcome
Finally the 7.3 makes the list. Those are crazy expensive nowadays. I would honestly take that built race car over the integra anyday.
I'd take that car over anything on the list.
Ford recently reintroduced the 7.3. They’re great engines.
@@angelgjr1999 Reintroduced? The only thing those engines share is their displacement...
@@JmF250 What’s new about it? Is it DOHC now?
@@angelgjr1999 Dude the original 7.3 was a diesel engine. The new one is gas...
I love this segment.
James’ comedy timing is sooo good. Thanks for the laughs!
Jaw dropped on the price of the Formula D Corolla. The amount of work Stephan and his team put into it.
Donut: "These used car prices need to chill out!'
The Used Car Market: "No.. I don't think I will.."
I sell retail cars for a living so I’m def coping this and wearing it on a casual dress Saturday!
I learned to drive stick in a beat to crap 90 Prelude. That car was fun and I was sad when I had to return it.
Also worked with a kid about 25 years ago that had a second gen 2.2 turbo lebaron. He showed me slips and was running 13s in the quarter. They are total sleepers, just like the Spirit R/T.
I love it when all three of y’all make videos together!
Don't be surprised James, youtubers like you have playe a major role in increasing the value of these cars
It’s like, ik they mean well by introducing people to cool cars but in the long run it hurts us more
Love this segment played right along and lost too.
I love how I feel the exact same way they react to these prices.
the 7.3l excursions are in such high demand that's not at all surprising. Finding those in that good of shape is insanely hard, and that engine will last 500k+ miles.
If taken care of by someone that knows what they are doing. 700k is when you should prepare for the death of it.
Yea people who buy exscursions usual have 2 that’s the case around here but that one was stupid clean
@@m_02sierra lol had 2
@@bigrustytrusty5856 A single owner doing regular proper maintenance can get over a million. It's when you pass the car around to different owners and you don't know the history that it gets difficult.
@@iviaverick52 vary vary accurate
Finally, Nolan appreciates the power of
T H E C U B E
For the Ford, it makes sense bc its a 7.3 diesel and an suv, the trucks now have more towing capacity of course but they don't make the diesel suvs anymore except for the duramax escalade now
Best D-List series! I love to hate how much these cars are selling for.
This episode made me realize that the experts in pawn stars are guessing prices. These guys know their cars and were off.
The value of something being sold is purely whatever someone will pay for it. It matters more about where you sell it and when. You just need the right person to be there with more money than they have any business having...
I feel like this every time I think I should get a project car.
Jeremiah saying be who you are while wearing a hat that says find yourself is perfect
1985 Toyota Pickup from BTTF was my first car crush!
As much as I hate the used car market lately, I love this series
Donut Media videos make me feel like I'm just hangin out with the guys.
I still have a 2001 7.3 limited excursion garage kept lol. Runs great.
That prelude is just like the one in Samurai Cop, and therefore priceless.
I always remember hearing, "the 7.3 excursion is the beast." Now I think it was people making bad decisions trying to justify it. I will take a 7.3 Godzilla though.
Also, should I sell my 5.0 v8 '14 fx4 and save up for a Ranger Raptor during this inflation? I don't haul anything except ass but I'm 6'4, and I've had a Ranger before...
It's STILL not a 100k car!
The v8 triton in the excursion is insanely under powered so the 7.3 is definitely the choice. The new rangers aren't like the 2000s rangers, there more like a f100, so you should fit fine. Also its risky betting on inflation because it could not come down or the whole economy could come down with it.
@@WillBilly. I mean, if you don't want pay the 7.3 diesel Premium you can always get the V10.
@@josemanuel5749 This is the best choice really, got 366,000 miles on my v10 4x4 Excursion. 4.30s are a must though, mine has the 3.73 and it will do 70 with a trailer no problem but getting there takes some time.
I love this series. Please do this until the bubble pops!
The prelude depending on the generation is a classic to those who like them or care for them, finding it In a manual, and no rust, lowish miles, not ripped apart or beaten on is worth the money, it's the same for civic SI 2000
I never tought that donut media would click bait me. I came for "WHY " these cost so much. an I got something else. Congratulations for your other programs. Very nice content keep up.
honestly i could watch hours and hours of this stuff. used car market, esp sites like BAT, are so much fun to look at simply bc of these stupid ass prices
With the price of gas being as large as James’s dad, could we see a “Most fun but fuel efficient cars” vid?
just put a smaller engine like the 6.0 turbo diesel it gets about 15-18mpg
@@theantiveganchannel3596 what 🥴
miata is always the answer
The list would just be a bunch of Hondas lol
@@theantiveganchannel3596
>Smaller
>6.0
WHAT
I bought a clean excursion 7.3 last week for $4500. Needed a transmission, got one from the junk yard for $800. Thought that was a little steep but is what it is. 147k on the odo. I see them sell for $30-$35k around here all day long
That explains why some of the Excursions I've been seeing were over 30k, but they were motor swapped. Sheesh, I wanted one but not anymore with that price.