Yeah its ridiculous. I gotta get a car so I can commute to work now that I am graduating. its nuts. Used accords are the same price as when they were new. If lower then they got a ton of miles. I hate it so much
@@magicmanv2658 ^It's daunting, but straight up, it's the only way to avoid the stupid markup. Nowadays you still might get some ppl like, "I KNOW WHAT I HAV, NO LOWBALLERS" but if you try enough, you'll find someone still willing to give you a car for a decent price.
@BronzeXV70 I havent looked at them. I drove a Mazda CX5 its good handling but the brakes are so weird compared to Honda that I stopped looking at Mazdas. Also weird mirror placement. Minor things that made it annoying but since I have a 1 hour commute those little discomforts matter a lot to me.
look for a late 90s pickup, it might have rust and miles but you can find them in the rual farm areas for cheap. my 01 sierra c3 was only $5000 it has some rust but only 114,000 miles
It really makes me upset how older generations look down on us because most of us can't afford a car in our teenage years. They do not understand how bad the economy is.
They live in a fantasy delusion lalala land overall. Where they got decent paying jobs almost free college and affordable healthcare. Where they bought houses for $30-75k, now worth $500k-$1 mil+ or so. That's just the tip of the iceberg, and the bought all the propaganda of the corporate oligarchs. Most of them are proto-fascists by this point as if it wasn't bleak enough.
Life was easy for boomers, they grew up in the most economically prosperous time in our history. They have a ton of equity and they are spoiled and detached from reality. I’m not blaming boomers or trying to say that the shitty economy is their fault, I’m just saying they can’t possibly relate to younger generations.
@@threatlevel_TACO I would rather Kilo Mike Sierra than pay 20k for a car. Especially with monthly payments. I'd rather use that money to get a house. The only acceptable form of monthlys for me.
I'm a car mechanic for Toyota, and this video is spot on. Heading into the 2021 year lineup, the Corolla was going to become a $20k car, which means no more cheap cars essentially. It also doesn't help that almost the car brands push more expensive SUVs and trucks in our faces when we want just a cheap car to get us from A to B. This is why I will never buy a new car ever in my lifetime, every car is a super computer now and it's ludicrous
And it's why I bought a clean 1 owner 4x4 3rd gen 4runner for 12k vs a 2023 Subaru outback for 35,500 and that was the only thing that I found at MSRP, but they have an entire problem list. In a few years these trucks are going to be north of 25k, saw a clean one low miles go for 38k on bring a trailer which is just crazy for an old vehicle! Then again I did see a 90s land cruiser go for about 40k 😅
For some reason, Americans really look at the age of your car as an benchmark for your status. When I bought my Corvette, the first thing people would ask me was what year it was. From a car person, that's a normal question, (though, they usually ask about the generation). But it was all of the non-car people that were asking. It felt like it wasn't a question of curiosity about the car, but rather they were kind of trying to use it as a reference point for what I could afford. When I told one of my coworkers that it was an 02 Z06, they looked at me weird and respond "Oh. Why wouldn't you buy something newer?" I was kind of caught off guard by their response, so I said "Because, in 12 months, your Sentra won't be new anymore. In 12 months, my car will still be a Corvette." If the most impressive thing about your car is that it's new, then you picked the wrong car.
One of my friends asked me why I still have my first car. My answer was "It still runs, it has no major problems, so why should I get a new car?" I have a 2000 mustang. It ain't going to win any prizes and it has some problems with the body but 115k miles and it had 87k when I got it in 2015 I think I'm doing pretty good with it.
@@egortokarev2296 we are experiencing the repercussions of 2020's economy, governments printed trillions of dollars into their economies world wide, and now interest rates are skyrocketing and the price of living is going up to combat inflation by dissuading buyers to spend their money. Basically since everything is so expensive right now, the circulation of money will hopefully decrease and the price of things will go down over time. We are actually fairly lucky it's only bad enough for many of us to have a grumble about petrol and move on
It's not just social media. It's car manufacturers literally making cars to last only 5 years and roughly 100,000 miles before they start having problems and make you buy a new one. Planned obsolescence has been a thing and especially prominent in the automobile industry
Car prices now are pretty absurd. Especially for used cars. I bought a brand new car for $20k ($22k with taxes and such added) because it was actually cheaper than buying a used car in my area. Most of which were $25k+.
Reminds me of reading people's stories about using Carvana in the pandemic. Used market got hot and Carvana was paying almost MSRP for some cars lol. Just insane.
@Hunter CapDogg Mitsubishi Mirage. I bought it for similar reasons. Great warranty, reliable car with cheap maintenance costs, and fantastic gas mileage. Along with decent trunk space since the seats can be folded down.
@@samarafujioma6588 hello mate, where is your mirage made? how good is the fuel economy? does it accelerate just fine? i may genuinely consider this car for a family member since i’m looking for a reliable car for them for a fair price and mitsubishi,mazda and suzuki are the only ones who check that box
I’m 17 I recently totaled my 2010 Toyota Corolla and my dad took me to a Nissan dealership and we paid 21k for a 2019 Nissan Sentra. Although I’m great full my dad is helping me pay for this car (and it’s a nice car) we payed at least 5k more than any other one of those cars with similar mileage. My dad justified the price by saying “it had a great inspection and it has warranty’s”. I get that but I think for 21k I could be driving an ecoboost or something 😂
I''m 18, graduated highschool, took a semester off to work towards buying a car. Buy a used one from a private seller and it breaks down after 2 days, CA is a all sales are final state. I'm glad that the bus system is ok for getting to college but I cannot rely on it for another 6 months while the prices keep rising
I’m 27. Saved up a bunch to buy a car cash. Once I had the cash (to avoid these insane interest rates) I couldn’t do it. The prices are just too high rn. Invested it instead. Now I gotta learn how to replace the water pump on my beater. Can’t be worse than the engine head or oil pump though 😂 woulda been nice to have a new, clean ride to finish out my 20s but I think 10 years from now I’ll be happy I stuck w the beater.
I’m 17. I’m honestly afraid of how my generation is going to buy cars in the future. Or buy ANYTHING for that matter. Edit: Yeah yeah, I looked up the whole Great Reset thing. Ya’ll are crazy. Thanks for that.
I wanted a GR86 or even just an old Mustang when I take my test sometime this summer, but maaan these prices SUCK. Whose even buying cars that are half or even AT their salary?
I honestly wish that people realize that dealerships are no longer the "give people discount from the MSRP" folks but instead are the "mark the price up so high that even the manufacturers think they are nuts" folks. Seriously, right now, I'm dearly praying that people start realizing this and get rid of the stupid law that prohibit car manufacturers from selling directly to the consumers. Or, at least some kind of measure to keep those greedy mofos in check.
Finally someone that’s not afraid to use their brain. This has been a huge issue where these dealerships make as much as the manufacturers while only being a leech to society. One of those rats tried to convince my father (who has a phd in hardware design) that a 60k car being sold for 98k was the tax… can you believe that? Or they say some dumb stuff “oh we are just marking up the car to be on the same level as the inflation so we don’t come out empty handed” all those things that these dealerships do are so duaguting and I cannot believe they are still thriving as much as the manufacturers. I hope the new EV and Hydrogen cars destroy these dealerships since the manufacturers can sell electric cars directly to customers.
Oh i dont know what rock you living on if you think people are aware when they are being fucked in the ass also most mils and genzs just dont even drive much less own a new car lol
on toyota dealership websites it is stated underneath MSRP that a markup of 3-5k is added to MSRP due to sales and volume. Thats not bad considering greedy American brands straight up jacking prices by 10k-50k like GM or Ford. Now also there are Toyota resellers that do that too but again mostly American stealership that feed on greed and desperation.
6 months ago I walked into my local ford dealership looking to buy a manual 2dr bronco msrp 29k. They had two that fit that description and one was marked up 19k and the other 15k. I turned around and walked out. That's what more people need to do.
Same, it’s upsetting because that’s the one brand new vehicle I’ve ever wanted and nothing special either, I wanted the 2 door base model but considering the markups I refuse to be suckered out of that much money
@NWBronco try and be patient brotha. All things will come back to reality at some point. Alot of people gonna be in some bad loans when that happens and we won't be one of them!
Ngl y'all be living in easy mode lmao. In my country , the average cost of vehicles are 100k-200k. My parents brought a 5-6 year old Honda vessel for literally 50k lmao , original price was 52k but because my father's brother work for the boss , the boss gave us a discount of 2k ig (this is literally considered cheap in my country , since the cheapest new car u can get is priced at around 80k-90k , the average "luxury" cars are around 200k) Edit : 200-300k for "luxury" cars , etc Mercedes , bmw and those
Back in 2011, I remember my dad bought a perfectly functional Saturn coupe (I actually don't remember if it had a name) with 100k+ for $300 to teach us stick. Now, I tried to do the same thing to teach my gf stick and when I filter FB marketplace for cars under $3-4k, every listing is for parts
Honestly schools should offer more programs for like the trades and stuff without actually being career-committal, like people growing up nowadays straight up just don’t know how to do things anymore and while there are great resources out there, most will not even know how to change a flat tire. It all comes down to schooling, I feel like the vast majority of the US’ problems could be solved with a stronger education system but it’s definitely easier said than done.
I remember 2 years ago when I was hunting for the new BRZ, one of the dealers I talked to literally put a term called 'market adjust price' at the end of the bill and asked for another $20k. Yes, $20k extra for a $32k (manufacturer suggested retail price) car. They keep calling me over and over again and I ended up telling them the fact that I bought one from another dealer who just asked for $30k and there was a 5sec death silence on the other end of the call.
I’ve owned my Camaro for 4 years now. It’s a 2010 SS, nothing special about it, but I love that car. In the time I’ve owned that car, the life experience I’ve had with my car (affectionately nicknamed Honey) couldn’t have happened if I just kept trading it and wanting something new. That car was what my wife and I drove away from our wedding in, my daughter was brought home from the hospital in that car when she was born, and one of the last memories I have of a good friend is us riding around in that car. Everything that’s been done to it, I’ve either done myself or helped to do the work. Again, by base value or rarity it isn’t special. But to me, there isn’t a price that can be put on it. I think that’s what’s lost in todays car market and culture.
@@yoursilly2106 and they never will if you just keep getting something new my man. I never dreamed or really wanted to own a Camaro. Especially not a 5th Gen. I actually hated them at one point in time. But when it was for sale for a decent price and I knew an LS is comparatively cheap to work on, I decided to buy it and stuck with it. If I hadn’t then life would’ve happened but the car wouldn’t be there. Every car can have your own personal sentiment attached to it even if it’s just I’ve owned the car for a long time and it’s just part of you at that point.
I used to work at a motorcycle gear shop, and I very distinctly remember this one customer who bragged about how he never owned the same motorcycle for longer than 6 months, and during those 6 months, he'd never rack up more than around 3k miles. He'd make it a point to constantly swap out his basically brand new bikes before they "depreciated too much". That entire mindset still seems absolutely alien to me.
Me too, I have family members switching their cars out every 3 years or so just because they got bored of them. My step sister traded her Challenger RT away for a base Cherokee. Granted I do think she fucked up something underneath her Challenger getting drunk with her friends one day, but she didn't admit to any foulplay; we saw the evidence for ourselves.
I bought a 2022 mt09 on March 5th, 2022. As of yesterday, I have over 14 thousand miles on it. I ride the ever-living shit out of it, and I love it. It's not the best looking bike in the world, but it is easily the best bike I have ever ridden. I don't care how much or how little it's worth because I don't ever plan on selling it.
The funniest part about that is most of the depreciation happens as soon as you drive it off the lot and in the first 4 years so he was screwing himself lol.
it’s a shame because after i watched your “4 steps to get your dream car in your 20s” video a few years ago right after i graduated high school, it really inspired me to get into an IT program and get a career…fast forward now i’m slated to get a promotion soon and finally wanted to get a base LS3 C6 and they’re $5-10k more now with almost double the mileage
Facts bro I remember watching that video. He didn't know that the inflation we would deal with is the worst in history statically speaking, people are paid enough to get by, but not enough to go up.
@@yung829 yeah it’s crazy now with everything, a lot of people who make more than me are moving back in with their parents because rent in the city and houses are too expensive
I remember in a car magazine I found a beautiful 67 Chevy Camaro with a screaming chicken on the hood. Only 16.5k. This was only 1 or 2 years ago, now a 67 Camaro costs at least 40k.
I recently turned 18 and it's honestly kinda hopeless looking at cars at the moment, I've got no chance at buying an absolute crapbox let alone a somewhat decent grocery getter that isn't going to disintegrate. It's just too much right now and I don't really see it getting cheaper.
Reject cars Embrace b i k e - Me when I was 16 and broke asf I know it's not for everyone, but legit if I was 16 in the modern generation, I would've made the same choice. Over and over again. I used to hate riding because I thought only poor people did it, and I was a poor loser who had to resort to it, but little did I know, even after experiencing literal Hypercars... Motorcycles are still the greatest vehicle ever Q_Q
My dad was a biker so he'd agree with that. And seeing as any car I'd want is through the roof. It is an option I'm legit considering, and I don't care who you are, a Honda super cub is just better then a lambo
Look into a chevy s10, easy to work on and get parts for, GM made literally tons of them so they aren't collectors pieces or anything, and I see loads and loads of them for sale all over the country for $5k or less every day in pretty decent condition. I recommend trying to get a 4.3l v6 model, but hell even the inline 4 was a decent and reliable engine. I just got mine on finance from a dealership for $250 a month for 2 years, (roughly $5000 after all is said and done, with a $500 downpayment, don't ask me how that math adds up).
It will blow up, the way they get people to pay these high car prices is to extend it the loan term. Because the monthly payments look cheaper. Anyways they would rather sell to someone financing it then paying cash. And they have extended loans to people that can't afford them. Car loans have turned subprime. Only need more mass layoffs so people start defaulting. Just hold tight the car market will come crashing when they have to dump all these repossessed cars.
I have loved cars since I can remember. I was always the kid in class talking about JDM & Euro cars no one knew about, my favorite toys and presents were always hot wheels, I used to watch drifting and racing way more than any ball sport, I watched all the F&F movies up to a certain point, I knew tuning & mod styles more than I knew my math tables, and one of my main goals in life was to modify and tune cars until I died of old age. It took watching this video for me to realize that passion has almost completely died. Between just trying to survive the rising cost of living & student loan debt, and the ridiculous prices of everything related to cars (new & used), I can honestly say that I no longer care about the scene the way I used to. I don't get happy when I see a skyline anymore (cause I know they're all 60k+ from an importer) I don't care about making my car go faster (because basic maintenance, repairs, & parts are almost unaffordable) and I don't care about buying anything new (income is ~75k a year and I'm still priced out) The car scene is dead for me. It just makes more sense to have something reliable and cheap until I can afford something new that I actually like
Damn, this broke my heart 😢 Don’t give up on your passion bro! Greedy mfs will always be around to make our lives miserable but it’s our passion that keeps us going
If you look around, prices for a lot of items from the 80s, 90s seem to have gone up rn. Nostalgia for those times is just the trend, and so you see that in many sectors prices skyrocket beyond belief. I could imagine that this is because the market gets flooded with wannaby enthusiasts, so basically people who spend money on these things to just show off. Then there are investors, who know that prices will likely go up and buy those things in order to turn a profit. I have seen this 3 times now. With cars, musical instruments and videogames. Real enthusiasts for these things of course get left in the dust then as they have to deal with inflated prices and a ton of competition. I'm collecting old photography gear from a specific brand and try to complete my collection before this happens here too.
It really is crazy, back in 2019 I bought my 97 civic hatch for 2.5k CAD bone stock with 200k kilometers on it & now I see ones in way worse shape for minimum 6k
I’m currently trying to buy a used Honda/Acura, or just any cheaper old reliable car. Can’t find anything in my area for less than 3k on marketplace, or 5k on any more reputable site.
hearing the amount of times people change cars is so foreign to me. My dad has literally had his car for 20 years, I am literally younger than the car and although it sometimes needs minor things to be fixed it still works.
Yep. I had my 02sataurn almost 9 years. The engine became unrepairable by me and I had to get a new car. I literally cried when that car got towed away. Like losing a friend. I was literally 1 tank away from 250k
Same here. I’m still driving my 22 year old Acura that my family had since new. It still drives great after all these years and I don’t plan on replacing it anytime soon. Buying a new car every 2-3 years (or less even) is mind boggling to me.
We just got rid of our 2012 Town and Country, not because we wanted to but the repairs outweighed the usefulness of the car. So many things broke over time and the alternator going was the last straw.
@@TheOneZoot Yeah, If the repairs outweighed the usefulness of the car, than it would make sense to replace it. My mom recently had to replace her 08 Odyssey due to problems with its VCM system (among multiple other things). As long as you got your money’s worth out of it, then you’re good.
Man as a young 20 something year old I am very scared for my future. This problem of over inflation is not only affecting the car market but other markets as well. Like house prices have increased so much where I live that I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to afford a decent size house ever
I've only been out of highschool for a year, but I don't see a way I can afford a house, or even rent for an apartment, until I'm done with college and getting a job with my degree
@@mikhailshaw7030 Don´t want to scare you, but I´m close to make my masters degree and I can only hope to find a job that allows me to move out of my overpriced shared flat! Because everything else is even more overpriced. I live in germany and can´t tell if and how similar it is to the US, but literally everything is very expensive here.
@@walterwhite415 Same story in South Africa. While inflation is happening, our currency is tanking because of all the buffoonery that happens in our government.
I remember in highschool looking at the 1500 dollar running miatas and planning to get one after I graduated. Now I’m 22. Those Miata’s are 5000-7000 now lol.
I was trying to find a tl type s for the longest time, and vividly remembered how much they were pre pandemic vs post and it baffles me, even tried to get a accord or civic and found them expensive
Dude, it's crazy. My friends and I are like the only 4 people at my school who bought our own cars. Everyone else drives a modern car they got from their parents. Like there are literally 2 Escalades in the HIGH SCHOOL parking lot. It's ridiculous how parents are willing to pay so much for their kids' cars. I KNOW it didn't used to be like this. I KNOW there used to be much more than 4 or so out of a thousand high schoolers who actually purchased their own car with their own money. It's so ridiculous.
Yeah. For my senior year (for which I just graduated), I drove a 1996 Ford Explorer beater because my family can't afford a new vehicle for me which is fine. I now really have a soft spot for it and appreciate the over half a million mile trooper. I see kids at school have brand new cars, and I'm just amazed that their parents would burden themselves like that; I saw 2 new Ford Broncos while I was at school. My parents were already paying for the 2018 Ford Explorer which we bought used for a great deal. The old Explorer has been good to me so far, but the only issues I foresee are fixing the brakes and the transmission. I will hopefully drive it until it wants to go no more.
not just the car buying prices have skyrocketed, but insurance costs as well. I've never been in a wreck, but when I went to get a quote for the car I'm looking to buy, they quoted me $900 a month, a truly insane chunk of income for someone in their early 20s
What the hell? Dude you are asking the wrong insurance companies or you are looking at insane cars. State Farm quoted me ar $150/month for a brand new Supra and I'm 24. The hell are you lookin at that is $900/month?
@@thisguy2989 it’s also some states, I was quoted from geico for my 1998 Honda civic as an 18 year old at $955/month. I’m in New York which has some of the highest insurance rates, but even my cheapest quote was $300/month.
@@thisguy2989 2003 toyota mr2 spyder lol, tbf I only checked out that one company because I didn't end up buying that car (still looking), but I heard a lot of good things about it online from non-sponsored sources
Cheapest quote I was able to get was $450 a month. They ran my license and admitted it was completely clean, no tickets, no accidents, nothing. I have a good job but I prefer that my car loan + insurance doesn't cost me over 1/3 of my income. They tried to claim the insurance was expensive because new cars cost a lot to repair.
I am a high school senior and I was blessed enough to be given a 2003 Lexus Is300, uncle drove it down and just wanted $1.5k for it. On the contrary, my fellow senior friend recently got a nice new corolla for around 24k. I also work at a Ford/Lincoln dealership and man you hardly see anyone younger than 30 come in. The prices for cars nowadays is absolutely barbaric. American infrastructure sucks as well, can’t commute anywhere without a car with convenience. I love biking and running, but its just hopeless with all the giant stroads and parking lots everywhere, everything being spaced tf out.
We don't even have streetcars or frequent bus service, all towns have zoning laws that enforce long travel distances, the EPA keeps creating new regulations that are going to make cars more lame and more expensive...
@@frafraplanner9277 I live in an area with a decentish bus schedule, every bus departs in a well spaced bus stop every 30 min, but still, its awful as a pedestrian to walk where you wanna go.
I feel sorry for you Americans. As someone who lives in a city where you can get amywhere with buses and/or trains, it's sad to see that some cities are so car dependent, especially when the car and gas prices are so high
@@kaspercederlund4393 almost every city is extremely car dependent here in the US, especially here in California where i live, what city in Europe do you live? Denmark?
The fact that Ford only has the Mustang now and that's too expensive for most younger buyers and that Lincoln has no cars left in their lineup might have something to do with it
I’m so sick of these car lots selling 2000s beaters with 150,000+ miles for 6-9k. A lot near me wants $8000 for a 91 Corolla with 150k, it legitimately makes me angry to think about it.
Main issue with dealerships are that 1: salesmen are commission based so they only want to sell at high prices. 2: Manufacturers are legally not able to sell directly to consumers, making it the only option to go to a dealer. Manufacturers don't want to have their cars sell for ridiculous prices, they want them to sell it at the actual MSRP.
@Daniel C then why do they say 'delivering fee' I thought they ship the car to you ? Am I wrong? I genuinely dont know I'm just 16 and I like to build various cars online
Car prices jumped so much so that I turned to motorcycles just like bladed and influenced by bladed about motorcycles. So now I also am getting into motorcycles because of the massive car prices but once absurd dealer markups die down, I can hopefully have reasonable prices for cars like the GR Supra or a 2018 BMW M3 or something I'd keep and drive for my whole life with the introduction of motorcycles.
Same somewhat here but I’m slightly but more hesitant because I’m still be nervous of getting hit by someone not paying attention even though for the most part I should be fine riding motorcycles other then me just dropping my bike occasionally when I start out
@@61936 first recommendation for safety is a straight pipe exhaust. Not even kidding. People will often hear you before they see you. The louder you can be the harder it will be for someone to miss you.
It’s stuff like this that makes reducing dependency on cars important, especially nowadays. I’m not saying we should ban cars, but that we should promote and build infrastructure in the US that allows for different choices of getting around without being forced to drive a car, such as trains, buses and walkability. Just like many cities in Europe, and a good example being the Netherlands with their bicycle infrastructure. Look it up. By doing so we can reduce the number of bad drivers on the road and create a better driving experience for those who want to drive. And the people who don’t want to, or can’t drive shouldn’t be forced to drive and essentially make traffic and car driving (the only way for Americans to get around due to car-centric infrastructure) worse for everyone. That’s why, despite trying to decrease the number of cars on the road, the Netherlands was ranked the best country to drive a car in. (Don’t worry about bicycling in winter, people in Oulu Finland do it all the time look it up). Why should we spend 6 digits on something that gets us from one place to another that’s costly to even maintain even if it’s a Toyota? I can’t explain everything else, but watch a channel called Not Just Bikes. I’m an enthusiast and it’s a huge eye opener. Why do you think urbanism is starting to pop off a little bit as of recent?
I'm 21 and lucky enough to own a GR Supra, mainly due to working really young and managing finances for some time. I've owned it for about 8 months now and you start to get annoyed with payments on top of costs to maintain it. 2 tires cost $1000 along with a $200 oil change. Again I'm lucky enough to afford it and I knew what it takes to own something like this, but seeing how bad our economy is along with wages and debt, you can barely enjoy anything anymore.
I bought a 96 corolla for 900 bucks recently and I love it. If you don't mind fixing a few small issues and scouring for a used car, you can still find great buys
@@drprofessor1414 craigslist. I was looking everyday for a like 2 months while I saved money. In the area, any good deal is taken usually within 24 hours. I got lucky because I met with the guy and he said he preferred me because, while he already had a dozen offers, I was the only person who seems legitimately interested in looking at and owning the car, as opposed to flipping it. He had it up for 1200. Timing belt was 50k overdue, the related engine mount is going bad, and only minor problems otherwise. Suspension is great, engine and Trans seems to be fine, car has 220k. It's rusty because it's from the Midwest originally, but has no dents. Everything on the inside works. Cruise control works. It's a great deal for what it is, but that's just a part of the beauty of the used car market. If it goes another 100k, the 900 I paid for it basically makes it a free car... ...and let me tell you it's a joy to drive. Having a top spec corolla from the mid 90s is just enough to fill the need to drive a "cool" Japanese car. It's a great car for so many different reasons, I have no complaints.
I recently joined the motorcycle community, and I agree, that's where I see future car enthusiasts going. Maintenance is relatively cheap, it's fun, good on gas, etc. The car community will need a major change to return to the old ways.
this is the way dude, my 2006 mustang gt just got totaled and i went to look for a new beater to last while i save up for a down payment on a new car. shit was insane, so now im on that two wheel grind B) you can literally find an amazing brand new motorcycle for less than a clapped civic where i am
It's def cheaper upfront but I would say there are def other costs that add into it. Gear, accessories, insurance (please get theft insurance). They add up. Still cheaper than a modern car but I'd also say in most of the country its a hard proposition to only have a motorcycle. The weather can be downright terrible especially in winter. And to survive the wet and cold that's more investment in gear like heated jackets and weatherproof costs. I'll ride in some rain but never below freezing. Ice will slip your tire right out. Also maintenance isn't cheap if you take it to a shop. Motorcycle shops change over 150 an hour around here. You'll have to be ready to do some work yourself on the bike to make it truly affordable. Which is fun for me and easy to do but generally not for everyone.
@@jeffbrownme2 All good points. I didn't factor in weather and location which is a huge factor. Selfishly, I'm thinking of the south where the riding season is 80 percent of the year. Regarding maintenance you're right, I'm assuming I'm doing it myself but a lot of people don't have the skills, confidence, or time to do it themselves. The shops are hella expensive and I hear the wait times are long. To anyone reading this and considering a motorcycle, understand it's still a significant cost and you have to consider your situation.
The problem is cars don't last 15+ years. 10 years ago I was looking at 2000 year cars for reliable affordable beaters. Now I'm still looking for 2000 year cars for reliable affordable beaters. Meanwhile my friend is driving around in a car in a mid 2010 crossover and they're expecting the drive train to fail in the next two years.
I have two cars that are 20 years old had both of them for the last 14 years paid off 10 years ago it'd cheaper to fix then buy new just Learn to maintain the dam thing
Yea i have 2004 shitbox that wont die and i will buy 1999 Korando for offroad and short distances so i can give my curent shitbox to my parents. I dont want to stress over a car and i treat every car as a beater, few my cars got wrecked by driver while they were parked i cant imagine stress if i bought them for over 3k. My rule of thumb is it has to be 5k or less and not newer of 2006. Old cars are better, more reliable and ypu can get uded parts for cheaper, i have past point where i need to work just to have a car. Car is tool for comuting or tool for fun and i cant justify spending a lot on them. I rather invest in other stuff.
I remember graduating college in 2019 and buying a new Kia Stinger GT for $10K under MSRP. I was kind of worried at the time cause I paid with cash and I didn't have much in the bank after that. Looking back, it was one of the best decisions in my life cause now we'd be lucky to find a car for MSRP and I don't expect to get rid of it for a long time. I still have my old car from high school too cause it's still reliable
3 months ago I was lucky enough to get a 2000 Lexus ES300 with 102k miles for $4k from an old couple. Garage kept and babied. Has a little Michigan rust but it’s brand new otherwise. I feel so beyond lucky at this time. I’m literally going to keep it running as long as I possibly can.
Take care of that rust. I have a 20 year old truck in south Florida from somewhere on Texas and the thing literally has less rust than vehicles 5 years and younger on my (for what it's worth) rust free area. My truck goes off road and get flooded and left underwater. Fresh water, but. Point is know and manage your rust and the vehicle will last an unexpectedly long time. And don't go through insurance of you don't have to. Results may vary.
You found a true classic take care of that 2000 Lexus oil changes etc because cars like that are slowly becoming extinct that and the cousin 2000 Camry XLE are identical and good reliable cars 4k is better than 40k on a modern day vehicle with a 600 a month plus car payment you smart for making your decision can't go wrong with the Lexus no matter what year you buy they all jazzy pimp mobiles!!!!
@@cedricmiller4370 I go back and forth between not being any younger and prices going up. Surely you can see the conflict lol. My old truck is like the last of my old life I'm holding on to
Bro the ending of this video is actually crazy wild because I actually stared riding motorycles because of the issue with everything you discussed. I live in Houston which is one of the most car dependent cities and its hell.
I always viewed cars like a horse in the past. Its your companion that you rely on. Seeing people change cars every 2 years is crazy to me. I had my car for over 6 years now
The sweet spot is buy a car 6-7 years old and keep it for 7-8 years. Dump after it's after you had it 7-8 years as it will be 15 years old at that point.
I just had to buy my first car to get to work and college. I got really lucky and bought the car from a grandma like you talked about but that was after months and months of searching and finding that every car listed less than $5k over the fair value was not only in terrible shape, but also the dealers were 100% firm on the insane prices.
Honestly when I saw the car trend a couple years ago, I knew it was game over. I've kept my eyes on the import market as well and it's insane how much JDM cars are going for, imported or just in the Japanese auctions. The part that it the most disappointing is that the car market is now the job market, in that when lots of people are looking for jobs, you have no option to negotiate anything like wage, hours, etc. bc they will just tell you to leave, and it's sickening that cars are now treated the same way. Perhaps this is the time for more places to move towards improving public transportation so less people *have* to buy a car. I think that's the only way to combat the idiots buying cars like they buy shoes.
Yes! Car dependency has plagued American cities for decades now, and now we need to revert back to the way it was: livable communities. Not having to depend on a car for trips 10 miles or less and just using them because you WANT to.
You take away the car (autonomy) from the people you will be swayed into a 15 minute city. Don’t fall for it cars aren’t the problems it’s all the companies in bed with each other that is making this problem bad. Creating a bus that everyone has to ride but what happens when you don’t qualify?
@A Pretty Boring Guy Honestly I felt so conflicted between being a car enthusiast and my growing opinion against car dependency, within a society that doesn't depend on cars, I think there is definitely still a place and demand for car enthusiasts.
@@ValkyrieLightwing Think about it this way. If current inner city parking can be used for houses, parks, or schools neighborhoods will be less likely to sprawl into racetracks and get them shut down for noise complaints.
And this is why, even as a car enthusiast, I will try to avoid having a car until I really truly need to. Right now I live in the city where I take public transit to get anywhere. It's looking more and more likely that I will not have a car at all until the late 2020s.
@@HDReMaster You don't know his situation dude. I did that at some point. Sold all the "toys" and had no car for 18 months and made sure I finished my studies (was getting distracted by other ..... activities). Best decision I ever made. The funny thing was I had some bimbo use the same "car enthusiast without a car" phrase.
That's called a cheap car fallacy though. You buy a cheap car, and fixing it up to a serviceable state usually costs more than buying a decent example in the first place, so you lose money overall. Ask me how I know lmao.
Get a used older small truck. 2000's and older stuff like the S10, Ranger, Dakota, T100(okay maybe not this one). Very easy and CHEAP to work on yourself, very reliable once everything is in order as well. These trucks, even the 4 cylinder versions, were well known to get over 300k miles with just regular maintenance, and can usually be had for under $5k in working order.
My father just bought a 2021 car after 12 years ownership of our previous car, that one was basically my whole life, so for me, it was quite painful to see that simple but amazing piece of car from 2011 go with 200.000km forever. His plan was to keep it like 3 years longer, but now with the new car he hopes he can keep it at least 12 years
great, it is never bad to keep it for a longer time, still, do know when it is just stupid to keep it, example engine or trans or similar really expensive repair appears, that will be the time to move away, still, before then, why not, keep it, plus, an extra car is not bad at all, maybe something happens to the new, and you end up using the old, you can just have also a car you can use if you are still under age when you turn 18 or whatever age you are allowed to drive, you can have it for yourself even especially if you have a nice relation with your family and some car enthusiast skills, since you might need to have your hand in it since it is getting a bit old, (still, nothing too hard, just normal easy stuff)... he might just himself hand it to you. an extra car is never bad, you have it for emergencies, you are not in a rush to buy an extra car in case of one, since you are going to overpay or get a not good deal when you are rushing to get one, (i literally knew one guy that bought a car in a rush that had THE WHEEL LITERALLY FALL OFF, really?!) and in case of emergency in the future, you have an extra car you could sell for cash
@@Qwertyuiop-wg5xu i will say, i didnt read the whole thing, but what i did read, was understandable, like 4 weeks before we got the new car, the fuel pump was damaged, but luckily it was still drivable, but not for longer distances, and it was like 800 or 1200 euros in the Netherlands, i believe we got it for 800 euros fixed, was expensive but it was the better move (the reasons i prefer to keep private)
Car companies need to let us decide if we want a 20" tablet embedded in the dash I just want FM, air-conditioning/heat and the ability to connect my phone to Bluetooth
This video made me appreciate my 2001 Toyota Camry, I barley got it last year in August at an auction for $1.6k and I can agree how ridiculous the listings for anything remotely similar to mine are
I bought a 2002 Bmw 325i for $1200 in 2019, still have it I manual swapped it and put a newer motor in it with more power,refreshed the suspension and did most the maintenance, now I have a car I can drive for another 100k miles
Too be honest with the way this economy is over inflated I'd honestly buy a mint condition 2000/2001 Camry with sunroof before I would a brand new 2023 off the dealer showroom because cars are too overpriced a new Camry with good credit is 500-600 dollars a month Camrys and accords should never cost those prices I don't care what kinda technology they putting in them today it's just robbery
Bought my first car a little over 2 years ago, a 2016 Honda Fit, and my parents are trying to get me to sell it because I could make a few thousand off of it since I got it for 12K with less than 60k on the clock, it now has 90k and sells for 15k. But I’m keeping it as long as I can. I love it and I want to keep it till the day I die.
I drove a girlfriend's Fit once, a '12 I think, and I couldn't believe how fun it was to just toss around. Reminded me of my old Celica. Supposedly the Fit has a _magical_ amount of interior space too, I think even more than the Accord at the time. Cherish that thing, buddy!
Spot on in this video. I’d like to also mention that the prices of older vehicles have shot up significantly in the past 3 years. A 2010 Chevy Silverado will now cost close too a 2022 Chevy Silverado (with the 2010 being 23K and the 22 being 28K) there’s no reason why a 2010 model should be near the price margin around the newer models. I also can’t find any good deals in my area. I can’t find a good truck (or any car) that is under 15K and doesn’t have some sort of electrical, transmission, or power steering issue. My 2016 Kia sportage cant be sold due to an engine defection from the factory, but somehow these beater ass cars can be put on the current market and be treated as desposible income for desparate families trying to find good vehicles. A single mother of 5 cannot buy a car for 5K with issues that costs more than the vehicles worth. I swear these prices for newer cars and trucks are getting outrageous, I can’t find a decent truck for under 15K. Hell I can’t find any vehicle under 15K without issues.
Biggest bullet dodged was my car I bought last year for 13k. It was below market price by about 3-5k so it was very sketchy initially, but I did a careful examination and had a mechanic do an inspection. Guy was also nice and let me do some rough road driving with it. Was debating at that time whether to go for it or wait until market drops so I can get a better and newer car. After a lot of stress, went through with it. Average value is now 20k and rising.
I’m 35 and grew up on the Gran Turismo and NFSU series in the late ‘90s and early ‘00s. It helped that the tuner scene was hot back then with movies like The Fast and the Furious (at least the first 3 movies). It basically functioned like a big ad for cars and the tuner scene in general. I remember there was even magazines about the whole thing. Back then, the tuner scene had everything: the trash talking, the fights, Rap, rock, hiphop, the appreciation, the egos, the pride of your car and your build.. it was so cool to see that the cars basically matched the individual and the personality of the owner. It made everyone want to turn a wrench back then… even women. And I think all of this was lost over the years. I’m afraid this new generation of “cars and coffee” doesn’t really understand the satisfaction of turning a 10mm wrench or socket to torque. I’m not saying people that ALL those who go to a cars and coffee don’t understand but I’m starting see people who are “afraid” of touching their cars and it shows sometimes, when back then, everyone knew about every screw, nut, and bolt on their car, even what engine series it is. And what peeves me most, are people who unknowingly buy an enthusiast car - brand new (at a ridiculous markup of course), and don’t even appreciate what the car is only to sell it months later at an even larger markup. What we need is a another big “ad” for this hobby and hopefully in 10 years, I won’t miserably stare at my own reflection off of a window from an all electric crossover, or re-skinned teslas that half the country also owns.
I strongly agree with you and can relate with you I'm from the same era as you I'm 34 and Gran Turismo and Need for Speed used to be my favorite as well as remembering the summer of 2001 when the fast and furious came out the import scene was booming that year and hoped to some day own a supra or 300zx twin turbo and possibly a eclipse GSX trim level but fast forward today those sports cars have sky rocketed in price so much that they unattainable by the average person even the new Z is way overpriced and if you want to get a daily modern day Accord or Camry then you have to pay more than what they are truly worth I feel bad for this generation tho because the cars are costing nearly double of what they get payed I see more guys walking than I've ever seen before compared to the early 2000s and 90s when you'd see car clubs meeting up in town on Friday at car wash for nice shine and vacuum or people riding around the neighborhood Saturday with armored ale tires shining and wax paint job and music blasting with the sunroof open man I miss the the pre 2010 era
Edit: Most of the prices are from private sellers, around one in every 5 is from a dealer. I am from Bulgaria, and the situation is pretty similar. I started working around Sept. 2022 and I saved up around 3 grand ( in local currency) by late Dec. By my calculations I could sell my current car and work for a few months to save up around 11-12k and get a bmw e92( in good condition) for around 8-10k and have some leftover for repairs. By the time I had saved up and started looking again in late Jan the prices had changed to 11k (for worse condition). As of writing this comment the lowest listing I could find was 13k ( again, local currency 1BGN = 0.56 USD). And those prices are for 325i's. Every time I save up the price has gone even higher, so I will be buying a 330i e46 coupe while I can still afford one :D( I really like both cars so it's not that big of a deal, but still) . Saddest part is that while I was studying at uni I busted my ass with three or four 12+ hour shifts in a row a week as a waiter so I could get as much money as quickly as possible, yet the inflation still managed to gap me.
I’m 19, and bought a mk3 Supra for my first car. The taking a loan on repairs part hit home, the repairs ended up costing me more than the car itself. (Oil lines dry rotted underneath the engine) I know I’m not experienced enough to do a big repair like that, but I’m trying my best to learn. I think it’s kind of sad that every dream car seems like it’s marked up to the moon. I hope things improve for everyone else, because this isn’t sustainable at all.
Again it IS an old ah car, not exactly the most economic thing for a teen 😅. Big props to you getting a Supra tho! I also got 2JZ in my 2003 IS300! Gotta be careful when buying these older cars with parts and everything. Newer cars isn’t ANY better tho.
@@andyguous Not economical in the least, but I didn’t want to just settle for something to get me from A-B at least. I love the styling of the FC Rx7, so the Supra caught my eye since it’s didn’t have the dorito (probably would’ve been even worse for someone as new as me)
After I got out of college, I decided to take public transportation and save up some money for a car. Now 5 years later and with where the car market is at, I think I may just stick with public transportation for the foreseeable future.
And here I am, enjoying my cars. Had one for 16 years, and the other for 9. I don't care about clout, but with the older of my two vehicles definitely being much closer to the end of it's useful life than the beginning, I'm genuinely concerned that I might not be able to replace it when the time comes.
Unfortunately this isn't just limited to cars, It's defiantly more obvious in cars but houses, land, even loans themselves have silly inflated numbers at the minute! I have to get a house AND a car this year for work, I wish you all luck in finding cheap deals! ;-;
@@AK.__ Rent has skyrocketed too man. Of course you don't "need" to but that is a cop out. Everyone should be a homeowner and own some land if possible. We also don't "need" to buy food with inflated prices, we could just starve... I mean, we're just going to die anyways, right? We are allowed to complain about things. Especially the increase in difficulty of obtaining shelter, such a basic need and human right.
@@ak-jxrdy-7 Yeah, you right, in general. I just point out the fact, that it house is unaffordable at the moment, better to rent rather to sign the long term unaffordable commitment. I've raised in the area, where important is to live somewhere (good rent) and people with money can buy condo and very lucky people can buy house.
@@AK.__ You're absolutely right brother. Definitely not smart trying to be an owner when you can't afford it, rent while you grow your income until you're able to afford it.
@@AK.__ You're absolutely right brother. Definitely not smart trying to be an owner when you can't afford it, rent while you grow your income until you're able to afford it.
As long as you don’t owe money on your car who cares how long you keep it for I’m the person this video is describing I change cars in less than 2 years.the reason I do it is because I pay my cars of super fast I legit pay 4 times my monthly payment. And I don’t do it to flex I legit don’t even do social media I just really like cars and trucks I like experiencing different ones. But I did keep my first truck that I got when I graduated high school I bought myself a tundra I still have that one. Plus I have 800+ CS so I get good rates I know not everyone can do what I do.
My first car was a reasonably priced 2013 limited dodge dart (I turn 22 next week) and since then because I can commute I got a decent paying job and told myself I would put aside some decent money to get my affordable dream car half a year later, but as the months go by, I can only watch helplessly as my affordable dream car turns into a dream car.
"Work on their cars anymore" Another thing to consider is that home ownership itself is out of anyone's ability to have. When you live in an apartment, you really can't DIY your car maintenance because oftentimes the lease doesn't even allow it. Then you have to hope you can find a place to stash your project car at.
Here in Brazil it's pretty similar right now. The market price for my 2022 car with 12k miles is actually higher than the price I paid for it, new, in 2022 (and it was the most sold car that year). Back in 2020, the same model was costing about 30% less than I paid for 2 years later. No one around me is even remotely motivated to change cars because even the simplest models are stupidly expensive
40 year old dude here that has done fairly well and own a business. I’ve never spent more than 15 grand on a vehicle. Driving my current 2010 GTI into the ground. Overspending on a car is dumb.
@@johnmitchell8925 I know at least one is. But most of them I see parked in people's driveway day after day, or turning in/out of a business each week day
My aunt does this crap. She’s buys a new car every 2 years or less!! I will never understand why. It’s much better (especially now) to not have that kind of debt. Edit: many dealers now have a “no haggle” policy meaning either you pay the sticker or you aren’t buying that car. It’s infuriating since the mark up is ridiculous and you can’t even call them on their BS
I mostly agree, but realistically, on all cars older than let's say 15-20 years, things WILL break regardless if it's a Toyota, Lexus whatever. Stuff like bushings, shocks, rust will start showing up, various electronic BS etc. The cars I own are made from between 1987 for the oldest one and 2008 for the newest one, and the car from 2008 has in total had 0 issues, while I've had to do a TON of things to my older cars, simply because they rotted over time. However, you are absolutely right when you think about how much issues modern cars will have when THEY are 15-20 years old. Imagine a 2023 hyundai in 20 years lmao.
@SomeOne_86 I have a 76 beetle a 86 ford econoline and a 38 studebaker champion. If a vehicle is well maintained it'll last several lifetimes. 2 of my 3 cars are purring like a kitten. I still have to rebuild the Studebaker and it's all body work. If you keep a car well maintained it'll last forever. I daily drive my beetle. And wouldint trade it for the world. These reliable old gals have never failed me. And I doubt they ever will fail me.
The new Dodge demon 170 is a perfect example of insane markups and people willing to pay, most of whom are not actually going to enjoy the car. I offered my dealer 115k, which is nearly 15k above MSRP, more than enough for someone's commission, come to find out all three allocations at my local dealer were already sold with the cheapest one going for 200k. Literally double the price. It's sad.
@@budstep7361 He/She most definitely is $115k for a car is criminally disgusting. He should go buy a $50-70k car and give the remainder to people in need instead. Still gets an absurdly expensive car and manages to save peoples lives potentially. Yet what can one expect from a typical dogmatist of the capitalist system.
It's really rough because most of us are finally at the age where we earn money so we can buy the cars we wanted as a child but the current market makes it impossible for us. It sucks that we're in this situation.
At the age of 16 my dad was gifted a 1984 Dodge Ram Charger. Fast forward to 2023 he's about to hit his 39th year owning his truck. When the engine finally gave out last year I asked him "what are you gonna do now?" To which he says "I've grown up with this truck since the age of 16 I don't plan to buy anything else. I'll just buy another engine."
I replace my car about every 3 years, but I drive over 100k miles a year, so I typically expect my vehicles to hit 300k miles before I have to start constantly repairing them. I typically try to find used cars under 70k miles and I have really taken a liking to the manual Honda fit, it's pretty cheap compared to most cars and the things are pretty indestructible. Now these are for my work. For play, I have a 2012 Chrysler 300S V8, I bought it in 2017 with 47k miles, it now has 285k miles, I have no intention of getting rid of it, I will drive it until the wheels fall off, and even then I'll probably just give it to my kid in 30 years to restore.
@@MKULTRA_Victim_ I pick up medical lab work from small clinics and rural hospitals and take them to the main hospital in my state. I avg 400 miles a day, 5 days a week.
I grew out of the car community now it use to be about your passion about your car/build now its just people flexing and clout chasing, they most then likely dont even know anything about their car and look for other people approval online lmao
Basically, Tiktok ruined everything. From Anime, to Cars, Video Games, Agenda, Music, Lifestyle, Attention span and many more. The effect it hits it just bad.
Yes. Dealers though have also figured out keeping low stock and ordering only when someone wants MSRP price but will have to wait makes them much much more money. Since now the lot cars with mandatory accessories or market up up 4-5k are your only choice if you need a car today.
I hate car clout culture. Coupled with inflated car prices, it really makes the prospects of buying an enthusiast (if that) car nigh impossible. I hope this changes, I don't wanna feel "out of touch" for keeping my car for longer than 1 year
Getting ripped-off by buying a R34 Skyline GT disguised as a GTR for $500K lmao. Or how about a R33 GTR in poor condition with a price of $200K like some poor souls.
Motorcycles are the hobby to get into. I got my motorcycle license last weekend and was shocked at how cheap bikes are. I've been riding dirt bikes since I was 5 yrs old and can say it's more fun than a car!
The sad part is: everyone who can wait to buy a car, should. Then the prices go down for everyone who needs one. Not like they're gonna steal the addendum car you sought after.
So I was dropping my daughter off at HS and I was shocked at all the fairly late model cars I saw those kids driving. That was nearly unheard of not so long ago..now I think I see how that may have happened(parents trying to please their kids). I'm still rocking a 12 Camry and the only other car I have is a 19 Highlander which gets paid off in 2 yrs.
Today I saw a 1992 camaro RS with no exhaust, 300,000 miles, needed a paint job, not running, sitting in a driveway. I asked him how much he wanted for it. He said $7,000. I told him good luck.
It's crazy to think that I got my first two cars back in 2017 and 2018 for $800 and $700 respectively, and now I can't find a driving car for less than $1500, and if I want one in reasonable shape, I'm looking at $4000-5000 at least, even for something 30-40 years old
This makes me just want to hold on to my beater and my older stuff because I can't afford the new stuff. I work on them myself when ever I find time. My friends whom are about the same age find it fascinating that I not only mod my car but maintain it and improve it. I had to hit one with the "You sold your 2013 Honda civic that was paid off for a Honda CRV 2021". Yeah, he had to give it back and loan for a honda ridge. Feels good to just out right own my beaters. They may be old and full of problems but they are my beaters with problems.
Hey man. So i love your point about people buying new cars within 24 months. The longest ive had a car was 3 1/2 years it started becoming dumb to keep it long commute bad on gas. But i got a 08 si after i sold it to save some money and still have fun. Got rear ended. Got a 05 rsx type s. And last month i got rear ended again. Both of them were texting and driving.wish i coulda kept the si or rsx. Loved them both.. might buy the rsx back since its still so recent.
I think prices are also high because all of these dealers overpaid for their current inventory. Almost every dealer ran out of used car inventory when new car production was halted and the cars they purchased had super inflated prices. Now they’re struggling to get rid these cars at a profit
I think the result is going to be a lengthy tug of war between average consumers and dealers until prices normalize. This happens all the time with pc parts it’s just in a much more expensive scale with these cars.
they did NOT overpay for their inventory. Are ya stuck on stupid? MSRP is what WE are supposed to pay. They pay lower than that. WE pay the mark up that these crooks add on 15k to 50k MORE. Dealers are RIPPING BOTH YOU the fool who defend the dealers greed AND the manufacturers. Welcome to ignorance.
@@Venomx-nb1jr when you are short by 5-7k to buy the new one. You will no longer consider getting a used car. Used car dealers are digging their own grave.
I bought my car used in early 2021. I could barely talk them down, took hours and could only get them down $600 bucks. I’m no stranger to good deals so I was surprised on how much dealerships changed within a few years. Sorry to all the younger car people out there :(
I can personally attest to this. I have been looking for a car for so long now, I looked at Accords, and Camry's almost every midsize sedan that is at least 15 years old. I just wanted a cheap daily that will always work, can fit 5 people, and is quiet with a smooth V6. I have a sports bike for fun. Either the really nice ones are stupidly overpriced or the reasonable prices ones have a shit ton of miles on them. Someone tried to sell me a 2006 Lexus ES330, with 212,000 miles for $6,000. I ended up buying one from a private seller for $2,700 with 170,000 miles on the clock, I still gotta fix it up, but it is a way better deal. The car market especially used has gone nuts
I've been looking for a 2018 Q5 black under 40k miles with comfort and sound pack since early 2021. Back then they were about £28,000 but I check now and they're around the same price, if not slightly more. This is crazy considering it's been an extra two years so you would expect major depreciation.
I see Prius with twice as much mileage as the one I bought listed for more than I bought mine for 5 years ago. 150k 10 year old hybrids listing at 10k it's pretty insane.
I remember late 2019/ early 2020 looking at cars all day on CarGurus wanting to save up a fat down payment on something I truly wanted……by the time I had the money and decent credit everything skyrocketed and got absolutely ripped off on my current car that I’m stuck with.
I have a 2008 Toyota Yaris with 90,000 miles that is still going strong. Getting 15+ years of reliable low-cost driving out of a car that was < $15K new is incredible value, and I'm amazed at how much money people spend upgrading their car every 2-4 years. I'm only now considering an upgrade, but I could hold onto this Yaris another 5 years if needed so I can wait for deals to come along.
My family for some reason believes that it is impossible for TikTok to have caused this or even to have had an effect on this and they refuse to listen to reason or watch this video, they refuse to believe me.
I've noticed that it's hard these days to get a junker for under 1k...buying junk cars and getting them back on the road was a hobby of mine. Can't really do it anymore since there are no cool beaters under 1 or 2k
i bought myself a car late 2019 for about $3k but got hit in 2020 right as the pandemic hit. a lot of other things happened and when i finally had that much again to spend on a car the prices had basically tripled in late 2021 i managed to find and negotiate a 2010 cobalt car for $7k from a used place barely and it probably would be double now but damn it’s been a nightmare
I worked at chevrolet, my GM intentionally put a 25-45k mark up on corvettes. 100k+ markups on the new Z06 literally because he could. and without markups we had people spending 100k plus on tahoes. taking 1800+ dollar monthly payments to stay at 72-84 months
Yeah its ridiculous. I gotta get a car so I can commute to work now that I am graduating. its nuts. Used accords are the same price as when they were new. If lower then they got a ton of miles. I hate it so much
Damn...hope you find the right car. Stay strong👊
@@magicmanv2658 ^It's daunting, but straight up, it's the only way to avoid the stupid markup. Nowadays you still might get some ppl like, "I KNOW WHAT I HAV, NO LOWBALLERS" but if you try enough, you'll find someone still willing to give you a car for a decent price.
a lot of the cars from aorund the 80's, and 70's especially the trucks aren't that expensive. its easy to find something for under 10k
@BronzeXV70 I havent looked at them. I drove a Mazda CX5 its good handling but the brakes are so weird compared to Honda that I stopped looking at Mazdas. Also weird mirror placement. Minor things that made it annoying but since I have a 1 hour commute those little discomforts matter a lot to me.
look for a late 90s pickup, it might have rust and miles but you can find them in the rual farm areas for cheap. my 01 sierra c3 was only $5000 it has some rust but only 114,000 miles
It really makes me upset how older generations look down on us because most of us can't afford a car in our teenage years. They do not understand how bad the economy is.
They live in a fantasy delusion lalala land overall. Where they got decent paying jobs almost free college and affordable healthcare. Where they bought houses for $30-75k, now worth $500k-$1 mil+ or so. That's just the tip of the iceberg, and the bought all the propaganda of the corporate oligarchs. Most of them are proto-fascists by this point as if it wasn't bleak enough.
You don't have to buy new
@@Mr_Martz_Mc used ones are still way overpriced unless you buy a honda civic missing an engine
Life was easy for boomers, they grew up in the most economically prosperous time in our history. They have a ton of equity and they are spoiled and detached from reality. I’m not blaming boomers or trying to say that the shitty economy is their fault, I’m just saying they can’t possibly relate to younger generations.
@@e1dsd720 MY CIVIC HAS TEN TRILLION MILES BAERLY RUNS 5K MINIMUM NO LOWBALLERS I KNOW WHAT I HAVE.
All those cars that were “cheap fun” and “easy to find good condition under 10k”
Now 10k is the new 5k for used cars
I'd say 20k is the new 10k
@@threatlevel_TACO and that is really taking it at the lowest possible level
It's more like 5k is 12k now for cars If not more. I see a lot 4 year old cars selling for more than their new price.
$2500 is the new 800-1000
@@threatlevel_TACO I would rather Kilo Mike Sierra than pay 20k for a car. Especially with monthly payments. I'd rather use that money to get a house. The only acceptable form of monthlys for me.
I'm a car mechanic for Toyota, and this video is spot on. Heading into the 2021 year lineup, the Corolla was going to become a $20k car, which means no more cheap cars essentially. It also doesn't help that almost the car brands push more expensive SUVs and trucks in our faces when we want just a cheap car to get us from A to B. This is why I will never buy a new car ever in my lifetime, every car is a super computer now and it's ludicrous
And it's why I bought a clean 1 owner 4x4 3rd gen 4runner for 12k vs a 2023 Subaru outback for 35,500 and that was the only thing that I found at MSRP, but they have an entire problem list. In a few years these trucks are going to be north of 25k, saw a clean one low miles go for 38k on bring a trailer which is just crazy for an old vehicle! Then again I did see a 90s land cruiser go for about 40k 😅
@@edwinmedina4338 how many miles on that 4Runner for $12k? I couldn’t find anything for less than $17k that didn’t have 150k+ miles
@@ROVA00 Got it at 250k miles has 255 already.
This IS why I bought new 2 years ago, and I intend to love this thing forever.
@@ROVA00 I got lucky then I got a 2006 honda civic 130k miles
For some reason, Americans really look at the age of your car as an benchmark for your status. When I bought my Corvette, the first thing people would ask me was what year it was.
From a car person, that's a normal question, (though, they usually ask about the generation). But it was all of the non-car people that were asking. It felt like it wasn't a question of curiosity about the car, but rather they were kind of trying to use it as a reference point for what I could afford.
When I told one of my coworkers that it was an 02 Z06, they looked at me weird and respond "Oh. Why wouldn't you buy something newer?" I was kind of caught off guard by their response, so I said "Because, in 12 months, your Sentra won't be new anymore. In 12 months, my car will still be a Corvette."
If the most impressive thing about your car is that it's new, then you picked the wrong car.
Well said.
One of my friends asked me why I still have my first car. My answer was "It still runs, it has no major problems, so why should I get a new car?"
I have a 2000 mustang. It ain't going to win any prizes and it has some problems with the body but 115k miles and it had 87k when I got it in 2015 I think I'm doing pretty good with it.
To be fair though, I would ask you what year your corvette is first because I'm legitimately interested and have an autistic knowledge of cars.
@@GrumpyIan I actually still have my first car too. I turned it into a little track car lol
@@lolbuster01 Dude, I'm right with you on that. I do that exact thing with cars and planes. Lol
It isn't just cars, it's the whole economy that is being gutted
“You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”
how so?
@@egortokarev2296 we are experiencing the repercussions of 2020's economy, governments printed trillions of dollars into their economies world wide, and now interest rates are skyrocketing and the price of living is going up to combat inflation by dissuading buyers to spend their money. Basically since everything is so expensive right now, the circulation of money will hopefully decrease and the price of things will go down over time. We are actually fairly lucky it's only bad enough for many of us to have a grumble about petrol and move on
@@egortokarev2296 bruh wdym. Look at the gas prices rising up
For real food prices nearly doubled in the Netherlands, and wages have only gone down.
Old people didn’t complain when Nissan Versa price is $13,000 when 50 years ago new V8 car price was $5000
It's not just social media. It's car manufacturers literally making cars to last only 5 years and roughly 100,000 miles before they start having problems and make you buy a new one. Planned obsolescence has been a thing and especially prominent in the automobile industry
@The Real Cat of 2020 Sure. If you can 1.) Find one. 2.) Afford the insane markup that was discussed in the video.
@The Real Cat of 2020 Kias I doubt that
Ford f150
but what a bout the gas?
You have a point
Car prices now are pretty absurd. Especially for used cars. I bought a brand new car for $20k ($22k with taxes and such added) because it was actually cheaper than buying a used car in my area. Most of which were $25k+.
Reminds me of reading people's stories about using Carvana in the pandemic. Used market got hot and Carvana was paying almost MSRP for some cars lol. Just insane.
Hyundai? I just got a 23 elantra for 20k as well, great car, superb gas mileage and came with a lot of great warranties
@Hunter CapDogg Mitsubishi Mirage. I bought it for similar reasons. Great warranty, reliable car with cheap maintenance costs, and fantastic gas mileage. Along with decent trunk space since the seats can be folded down.
@@samarafujioma6588 hello mate, where is your mirage made? how good is the fuel economy? does it accelerate just fine? i may genuinely consider this car for a family member since i’m looking for a reliable car for them for a fair price and mitsubishi,mazda and suzuki are the only ones who check that box
I’m 17 I recently totaled my 2010 Toyota Corolla and my dad took me to a Nissan dealership and we paid 21k for a 2019 Nissan Sentra. Although I’m great full my dad is helping me pay for this car (and it’s a nice car) we payed at least 5k more than any other one of those cars with similar mileage. My dad justified the price by saying “it had a great inspection and it has warranty’s”. I get that but I think for 21k I could be driving an ecoboost or something 😂
I'm 22. I got into cars at 19 during covid and decided I'd save money once I got out of college to buy a sports car. Imagine the clown I feel like.
I'm 24, and I saved till 2020 to buy a car. All the savings ended up on rent payments, though
Big clown. Its ok we all have out clown phases
I''m 18, graduated highschool, took a semester off to work towards buying a car. Buy a used one from a private seller and it breaks down after 2 days, CA is a all sales are final state. I'm glad that the bus system is ok for getting to college but I cannot rely on it for another 6 months while the prices keep rising
I’m 27. Saved up a bunch to buy a car cash. Once I had the cash (to avoid these insane interest rates) I couldn’t do it. The prices are just too high rn. Invested it instead. Now I gotta learn how to replace the water pump on my beater. Can’t be worse than the engine head or oil pump though 😂 woulda been nice to have a new, clean ride to finish out my 20s but I think 10 years from now I’ll be happy I stuck w the beater.
Yeah fuck us for being responsible and saving for a car, right? Now we may never get to buy our dream cars
I’m 17. I’m honestly afraid of how my generation is going to buy cars in the future. Or buy ANYTHING for that matter.
Edit: Yeah yeah, I looked up the whole Great Reset thing. Ya’ll are crazy. Thanks for that.
It’s gonna get to the point where cheap compact cars will cost 30k if this continues
man im 12 and idk if i can even work for or afford a first car without my parents
well, i should just start now
@@kb0x mate, I’m 13 and just bought a car for $600 bucks, I had to do some mechanic work but it’s a fun thing to learn, keep a keen eye on the market
I wanted a GR86 or even just an old Mustang when I take my test sometime this summer, but maaan these prices SUCK. Whose even buying cars that are half or even AT their salary?
No actually bro cause I'm 18 and I'm still takin a scooter to work while I save for a car💀
Well those 144 month auto loans aren’t helping
ikr
No kidding
Freaken ridiculous. Plus people are paying 12-1300 a month from what I heard from another video.
Seeing an over a decade old honda accord with 150k+ miles on it being priced almost 8k is the dumbest thing I’ve witnessed
I honestly wish that people realize that dealerships are no longer the "give people discount from the MSRP" folks but instead are the "mark the price up so high that even the manufacturers think they are nuts" folks.
Seriously, right now, I'm dearly praying that people start realizing this and get rid of the stupid law that prohibit car manufacturers from selling directly to the consumers. Or, at least some kind of measure to keep those greedy mofos in check.
this
Finally someone that’s not afraid to use their brain. This has been a huge issue where these dealerships make as much as the manufacturers while only being a leech to society. One of those rats tried to convince my father (who has a phd in hardware design) that a 60k car being sold for 98k was the tax… can you believe that? Or they say some dumb stuff “oh we are just marking up the car to be on the same level as the inflation so we don’t come out empty handed” all those things that these dealerships do are so duaguting and I cannot believe they are still thriving as much as the manufacturers. I hope the new EV and Hydrogen cars destroy these dealerships since the manufacturers can sell electric cars directly to customers.
Oh i dont know what rock you living on if you think people are aware when they are being fucked in the ass also most mils and genzs just dont even drive much less own a new car lol
on toyota dealership websites it is stated underneath MSRP that a markup of 3-5k is added to MSRP due to sales and volume.
Thats not bad considering greedy American brands straight up jacking prices by 10k-50k like GM or Ford.
Now also there are Toyota resellers that do that too but again mostly American stealership that feed on greed and desperation.
6 months ago I walked into my local ford dealership looking to buy a manual 2dr bronco msrp 29k. They had two that fit that description and one was marked up 19k and the other 15k. I turned around and walked out. That's what more people need to do.
Same, it’s upsetting because that’s the one brand new vehicle I’ve ever wanted and nothing special either, I wanted the 2 door base model but considering the markups I refuse to be suckered out of that much money
@NWBronco try and be patient brotha. All things will come back to reality at some point. Alot of people gonna be in some bad loans when that happens and we won't be one of them!
Ngl y'all be living in easy mode lmao. In my country , the average cost of vehicles are 100k-200k. My parents brought a 5-6 year old Honda vessel for literally 50k lmao , original price was 52k but because my father's brother work for the boss , the boss gave us a discount of 2k ig (this is literally considered cheap in my country , since the cheapest new car u can get is priced at around 80k-90k , the average "luxury" cars are around 200k)
Edit : 200-300k for "luxury" cars , etc Mercedes , bmw and those
@@unknown-hn7ib what country do you live in? If you don't mind me asking.
@@baileyf1998 Singapore , everything here is expensive as heck 😅
Back in 2011, I remember my dad bought a perfectly functional Saturn coupe (I actually don't remember if it had a name) with 100k+ for $300 to teach us stick.
Now, I tried to do the same thing to teach my gf stick and when I filter FB marketplace for cars under $3-4k, every listing is for parts
I haven't seen a car for sale for less than $2000 since like, 2017.
@@AnarquiaCookbook lol i have
Homelessness rate after zoomers grow up gonna be wild 💀
I saw some mf living in a van but has a camaro ss 😂
Someone will find a way to profit off that too, and then everything will be okay!
Honestly schools should offer more programs for like the trades and stuff without actually being career-committal, like people growing up nowadays straight up just don’t know how to do things anymore and while there are great resources out there, most will not even know how to change a flat tire. It all comes down to schooling, I feel like the vast majority of the US’ problems could be solved with a stronger education system but it’s definitely easier said than done.
I remember 2 years ago when I was hunting for the new BRZ, one of the dealers I talked to literally put a term called 'market adjust price' at the end of the bill and asked for another $20k. Yes, $20k extra for a $32k (manufacturer suggested retail price) car. They keep calling me over and over again and I ended up telling them the fact that I bought one from another dealer who just asked for $30k and there was a 5sec death silence on the other end of the call.
Now that was bricks vs stones
it's fucking astonishing that they would just add like 2/3's what the car is worth at the end, yikers
Good job, put those dealers to shame
Good. Fuck those criminals
Same experience here too! Had to hunt one for msrp.
I’ve owned my Camaro for 4 years now. It’s a 2010 SS, nothing special about it, but I love that car. In the time I’ve owned that car, the life experience I’ve had with my car (affectionately nicknamed Honey) couldn’t have happened if I just kept trading it and wanting something new. That car was what my wife and I drove away from our wedding in, my daughter was brought home from the hospital in that car when she was born, and one of the last memories I have of a good friend is us riding around in that car. Everything that’s been done to it, I’ve either done myself or helped to do the work. Again, by base value or rarity it isn’t special. But to me, there isn’t a price that can be put on it. I think that’s what’s lost in todays car market and culture.
Yea but not everybody has a life or story like that into their vehicle lol 😂
@@yoursilly2106 and they never will if you just keep getting something new my man. I never dreamed or really wanted to own a Camaro. Especially not a 5th Gen. I actually hated them at one point in time. But when it was for sale for a decent price and I knew an LS is comparatively cheap to work on, I decided to buy it and stuck with it. If I hadn’t then life would’ve happened but the car wouldn’t be there. Every car can have your own personal sentiment attached to it even if it’s just I’ve owned the car for a long time and it’s just part of you at that point.
@@TheTennessyean Bro complaining about owning a Camaro 💀☠️😭
@@supercat2087 I wasn’t complaining about owning a Camaro?
@@TheTennessyean I knew you would say this. There’s no other way to say what I wanted to say but you know what I mean.
I used to work at a motorcycle gear shop, and I very distinctly remember this one customer who bragged about how he never owned the same motorcycle for longer than 6 months, and during those 6 months, he'd never rack up more than around 3k miles.
He'd make it a point to constantly swap out his basically brand new bikes before they "depreciated too much".
That entire mindset still seems absolutely alien to me.
Me too, I have family members switching their cars out every 3 years or so just because they got bored of them. My step sister traded her Challenger RT away for a base Cherokee. Granted I do think she fucked up something underneath her Challenger getting drunk with her friends one day, but she didn't admit to any foulplay; we saw the evidence for ourselves.
@@Fxrrxt2x do they lease ?
@@Cruzer871 No, they're loans. Which is another thing we criticize too, because it's just building up more and more for her.
I bought a 2022 mt09 on March 5th, 2022. As of yesterday, I have over 14 thousand miles on it. I ride the ever-living shit out of it, and I love it. It's not the best looking bike in the world, but it is easily the best bike I have ever ridden. I don't care how much or how little it's worth because I don't ever plan on selling it.
The funniest part about that is most of the depreciation happens as soon as you drive it off the lot and in the first 4 years so he was screwing himself lol.
it’s a shame because after i watched your “4 steps to get your dream car in your 20s” video a few years ago right after i graduated high school, it really inspired me to get into an IT program and get a career…fast forward now i’m slated to get a promotion soon and finally wanted to get a base LS3 C6 and they’re $5-10k more now with almost double the mileage
Just get a C5 than
@@TylerBoyette it’s the same situation with the C5s lol, they’re the same price (sometimes more) than they were 5-6 years ago with more mileage
Yeah but also spring tax.
Facts bro I remember watching that video. He didn't know that the inflation we would deal with is the worst in history statically speaking, people are paid enough to get by, but not enough to go up.
@@yung829 yeah it’s crazy now with everything, a lot of people who make more than me are moving back in with their parents because rent in the city and houses are too expensive
I remember in a car magazine I found a beautiful 67 Chevy Camaro with a screaming chicken on the hood. Only 16.5k. This was only 1 or 2 years ago, now a 67 Camaro costs at least 40k.
I recently turned 18 and it's honestly kinda hopeless looking at cars at the moment, I've got no chance at buying an absolute crapbox let alone a somewhat decent grocery getter that isn't going to disintegrate. It's just too much right now and I don't really see it getting cheaper.
Reject cars
Embrace b i k e
- Me when I was 16 and broke asf
I know it's not for everyone, but legit if I was 16 in the modern generation, I would've made the same choice. Over and over again. I used to hate riding because I thought only poor people did it, and I was a poor loser who had to resort to it, but little did I know, even after experiencing literal Hypercars...
Motorcycles are still the greatest vehicle ever Q_Q
My dad was a biker so he'd agree with that. And seeing as any car I'd want is through the roof. It is an option I'm legit considering, and I don't care who you are, a Honda super cub is just better then a lambo
I feel you man, I gave my old car to my brother who is 18 and getting his driver license and got a V8. Not everyone has that privilege though
Look into a chevy s10, easy to work on and get parts for, GM made literally tons of them so they aren't collectors pieces or anything, and I see loads and loads of them for sale all over the country for $5k or less every day in pretty decent condition. I recommend trying to get a 4.3l v6 model, but hell even the inline 4 was a decent and reliable engine. I just got mine on finance from a dealership for $250 a month for 2 years, (roughly $5000 after all is said and done, with a $500 downpayment, don't ask me how that math adds up).
It might be worth a look if any of them made there way to the UK.
This video honestly needs to blow up. Really tired of the current used car market situation.
It will blow up, the way they get people to pay these high car prices is to extend it the loan term. Because the monthly payments look cheaper. Anyways they would rather sell to someone financing it then paying cash. And they have extended loans to people that can't afford them. Car loans have turned subprime. Only need more mass layoffs so people start defaulting. Just hold tight the car market will come crashing when they have to dump all these repossessed cars.
I have loved cars since I can remember. I was always the kid in class talking about JDM & Euro cars no one knew about, my favorite toys and presents were always hot wheels, I used to watch drifting and racing way more than any ball sport, I watched all the F&F movies up to a certain point, I knew tuning & mod styles more than I knew my math tables, and one of my main goals in life was to modify and tune cars until I died of old age.
It took watching this video for me to realize that passion has almost completely died. Between just trying to survive the rising cost of living & student loan debt, and the ridiculous prices of everything related to cars (new & used), I can honestly say that I no longer care about the scene the way I used to. I don't get happy when I see a skyline anymore (cause I know they're all 60k+ from an importer) I don't care about making my car go faster (because basic maintenance, repairs, & parts are almost unaffordable) and I don't care about buying anything new (income is ~75k a year and I'm still priced out)
The car scene is dead for me. It just makes more sense to have something reliable and cheap until I can afford something new that I actually like
Damn, this broke my heart 😢
Don’t give up on your passion bro! Greedy mfs will always be around to make our lives miserable but it’s our passion that keeps us going
I relate a lot from What you said. I am glad i bought my car in 2020 cause Now is more expensive:)
Imagine never being able to get a car in the first place
@@alfonzoworldleader 3rd world country be like
Even the price of used 90s Honda Civic prices has blew up compared to a couple years ago. It’s wild.
Yep I see em going for 2-3K when back then it would be literal 800
Kinda sad I threw away my 99 civic. Was crazy reliable too. Probably could've gotten a few grand if I kept it.
If you look around, prices for a lot of items from the 80s, 90s seem to have gone up rn. Nostalgia for those times is just the trend, and so you see that in many sectors prices skyrocket beyond belief.
I could imagine that this is because the market gets flooded with wannaby enthusiasts, so basically people who spend money on these things to just show off.
Then there are investors, who know that prices will likely go up and buy those things in order to turn a profit.
I have seen this 3 times now. With cars, musical instruments and videogames. Real enthusiasts for these things of course get left in the dust then as they have to deal with inflated prices and a ton of competition.
I'm collecting old photography gear from a specific brand and try to complete my collection before this happens here too.
It really is crazy, back in 2019 I bought my 97 civic hatch for 2.5k CAD bone stock with 200k kilometers on it & now I see ones in way worse shape for minimum 6k
I’m currently trying to buy a used Honda/Acura, or just any cheaper old reliable car. Can’t find anything in my area for less than 3k on marketplace, or 5k on any more reputable site.
hearing the amount of times people change cars is so foreign to me. My dad has literally had his car for 20 years, I am literally younger than the car and although it sometimes needs minor things to be fixed it still works.
It's a side effect of the "buy a new iPhone every year" crowd spilling over into the auto industry.
Yep. I had my 02sataurn almost 9 years. The engine became unrepairable by me and I had to get a new car. I literally cried when that car got towed away. Like losing a friend. I was literally 1 tank away from 250k
Same here. I’m still driving my 22 year old Acura that my family had since new. It still drives great after all these years and I don’t plan on replacing it anytime soon. Buying a new car every 2-3 years (or less even) is mind boggling to me.
We just got rid of our 2012 Town and Country, not because we wanted to but the repairs outweighed the usefulness of the car. So many things broke over time and the alternator going was the last straw.
@@TheOneZoot Yeah, If the repairs outweighed the usefulness of the car, than it would make sense to replace it. My mom recently had to replace her 08 Odyssey due to problems with its VCM system (among multiple other things). As long as you got your money’s worth out of it, then you’re good.
Man as a young 20 something year old I am very scared for my future. This problem of over inflation is not only affecting the car market but other markets as well. Like house prices have increased so much where I live that I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to afford a decent size house ever
I've only been out of highschool for a year, but I don't see a way I can afford a house, or even rent for an apartment, until I'm done with college and getting a job with my degree
Felt this bro, it’s a struggle out here fr 😔
@@mikhailshaw7030 Don´t want to scare you, but I´m close to make my masters degree and I can only hope to find a job that allows me to move out of my overpriced shared flat! Because everything else is even more overpriced. I live in germany and can´t tell if and how similar it is to the US, but literally everything is very expensive here.
honestly easier to find a good house than a decent used car worth the price
@@walterwhite415 Same story in South Africa. While inflation is happening, our currency is tanking because of all the buffoonery that happens in our government.
As someone who just turned 20, this resonates with my fears on a deep level. Used to find running driving cars for
I remember in highschool looking at the 1500 dollar running miatas and planning to get one after I graduated. Now I’m 22. Those Miata’s are 5000-7000 now lol.
I was trying to find a tl type s for the longest time, and vividly remembered how much they were pre pandemic vs post and it baffles me, even tried to get a accord or civic and found them expensive
@@chuyzzt1252 I remember almost buying a 08 tl style S 2 years ago for $5k although it was a automatic the same cars now are double in price or more
Dude, it's crazy. My friends and I are like the only 4 people at my school who bought our own cars. Everyone else drives a modern car they got from their parents. Like there are literally 2 Escalades in the HIGH SCHOOL parking lot. It's ridiculous how parents are willing to pay so much for their kids' cars.
I KNOW it didn't used to be like this. I KNOW there used to be much more than 4 or so out of a thousand high schoolers who actually purchased their own car with their own money. It's so ridiculous.
Yeah. For my senior year (for which I just graduated), I drove a 1996 Ford Explorer beater because my family can't afford a new vehicle for me which is fine. I now really have a soft spot for it and appreciate the over half a million mile trooper. I see kids at school have brand new cars, and I'm just amazed that their parents would burden themselves like that; I saw 2 new Ford Broncos while I was at school. My parents were already paying for the 2018 Ford Explorer which we bought used for a great deal. The old Explorer has been good to me so far, but the only issues I foresee are fixing the brakes and the transmission. I will hopefully drive it until it wants to go no more.
not just the car buying prices have skyrocketed, but insurance costs as well. I've never been in a wreck, but when I went to get a quote for the car I'm looking to buy, they quoted me $900 a month, a truly insane chunk of income for someone in their early 20s
What the hell? Dude you are asking the wrong insurance companies or you are looking at insane cars. State Farm quoted me ar $150/month for a brand new Supra and I'm 24. The hell are you lookin at that is $900/month?
@@thisguy2989 it’s also some states, I was quoted from geico for my 1998 Honda civic as an 18 year old at $955/month. I’m in New York which has some of the highest insurance rates, but even my cheapest quote was $300/month.
@@thisguy2989 2003 toyota mr2 spyder lol, tbf I only checked out that one company because I didn't end up buying that car (still looking), but I heard a lot of good things about it online from non-sponsored sources
Cheapest quote I was able to get was $450 a month. They ran my license and admitted it was completely clean, no tickets, no accidents, nothing. I have a good job but I prefer that my car loan + insurance doesn't cost me over 1/3 of my income. They tried to claim the insurance was expensive because new cars cost a lot to repair.
Try Commonwealth Casualty out of Arizona. Cheapest I've ever found.
I am a high school senior and I was blessed enough to be given a 2003 Lexus Is300, uncle drove it down and just wanted $1.5k for it. On the contrary, my fellow senior friend recently got a nice new corolla for around 24k. I also work at a Ford/Lincoln dealership and man you hardly see anyone younger than 30 come in. The prices for cars nowadays is absolutely barbaric.
American infrastructure sucks as well, can’t commute anywhere without a car with convenience. I love biking and running, but its just hopeless with all the giant stroads and parking lots everywhere, everything being spaced tf out.
We don't even have streetcars or frequent bus service, all towns have zoning laws that enforce long travel distances, the EPA keeps creating new regulations that are going to make cars more lame and more expensive...
@@frafraplanner9277 I live in an area with a decentish bus schedule, every bus departs in a well spaced bus stop every 30 min, but still, its awful as a pedestrian to walk where you wanna go.
I feel sorry for you Americans. As someone who lives in a city where you can get amywhere with buses and/or trains, it's sad to see that some cities are so car dependent, especially when the car and gas prices are so high
@@kaspercederlund4393 almost every city is extremely car dependent here in the US, especially here in California where i live, what city in Europe do you live? Denmark?
The fact that Ford only has the Mustang now and that's too expensive for most younger buyers and that Lincoln has no cars left in their lineup might have something to do with it
I’m so sick of these car lots selling 2000s beaters with 150,000+ miles for 6-9k.
A lot near me wants $8000 for a 91 Corolla with 150k, it legitimately makes me angry to think about it.
Main issue with dealerships are that
1: salesmen are commission based so they only want to sell at high prices.
2: Manufacturers are legally not able to sell directly to consumers, making it the only option to go to a dealer. Manufacturers don't want to have their cars sell for ridiculous prices, they want them to sell it at the actual MSRP.
No. When you are near the checkout they point you to a local dealer.
@Daniel C then why do they say 'delivering fee' I thought they ship the car to you ? Am I wrong? I genuinely dont know I'm just 16 and I like to build various cars online
@@Wcrqdrift they deliver to the local dealer, as there's still transport cost from the manufacturing plant to the dealer
@@CameronZ28 oh 💀
Car prices jumped so much so that I turned to motorcycles just like bladed and influenced by bladed about motorcycles. So now I also am getting into motorcycles because of the massive car prices but once absurd dealer markups die down, I can hopefully have reasonable prices for cars like the GR Supra or a 2018 BMW M3 or something I'd keep and drive for my whole life with the introduction of motorcycles.
I would love to, but I have to move to and from college. Maybe I could get a motorcycle and then rent a uhaul, but that isnt that realistic
Same somewhat here but I’m slightly but more hesitant because I’m still be nervous of getting hit by someone not paying attention even though for the most part I should be fine riding motorcycles other then me just dropping my bike occasionally when I start out
@@61936 first recommendation for safety is a straight pipe exhaust. Not even kidding. People will often hear you before they see you. The louder you can be the harder it will be for someone to miss you.
It’s stuff like this that makes reducing dependency on cars important, especially nowadays.
I’m not saying we should ban cars, but that we should promote and build infrastructure in the US that allows for different choices of getting around without being forced to drive a car, such as trains, buses and walkability. Just like many cities in Europe, and a good example being the Netherlands with their bicycle infrastructure. Look it up.
By doing so we can reduce the number of bad drivers on the road and create a better driving experience for those who want to drive. And the people who don’t want to, or can’t drive shouldn’t be forced to drive and essentially make traffic and car driving (the only way for Americans to get around due to car-centric infrastructure) worse for everyone. That’s why, despite trying to decrease the number of cars on the road, the Netherlands was ranked the best country to drive a car in. (Don’t worry about bicycling in winter, people in Oulu Finland do it all the time look it up). Why should we spend 6 digits on something that gets us from one place to another that’s costly to even maintain even if it’s a Toyota?
I can’t explain everything else, but watch a channel called Not Just Bikes. I’m an enthusiast and it’s a huge eye opener.
Why do you think urbanism is starting to pop off a little bit as of recent?
I'm 21 and lucky enough to own a GR Supra, mainly due to working really young and managing finances for some time. I've owned it for about 8 months now and you start to get annoyed with payments on top of costs to maintain it. 2 tires cost $1000 along with a $200 oil change. Again I'm lucky enough to afford it and I knew what it takes to own something like this, but seeing how bad our economy is along with wages and debt, you can barely enjoy anything anymore.
I bought a 96 corolla for 900 bucks recently and I love it.
If you don't mind fixing a few small issues and scouring for a used car, you can still find great buys
Make sure you keep that engine running, those engines are rarer than gold right now.
It's a DX with the 1.8 ;)
Where do you look for deals like that? Craigslist, Facebook marketplace?
@@drprofessor1414 craigslist. I was looking everyday for a like 2 months while I saved money.
In the area, any good deal is taken usually within 24 hours.
I got lucky because I met with the guy and he said he preferred me because, while he already had a dozen offers, I was the only person who seems legitimately interested in looking at and owning the car, as opposed to flipping it.
He had it up for 1200. Timing belt was 50k overdue, the related engine mount is going bad, and only minor problems otherwise. Suspension is great, engine and Trans seems to be fine, car has 220k. It's rusty because it's from the Midwest originally, but has no dents. Everything on the inside works. Cruise control works.
It's a great deal for what it is, but that's just a part of the beauty of the used car market. If it goes another 100k, the 900 I paid for it basically makes it a free car...
...and let me tell you it's a joy to drive. Having a top spec corolla from the mid 90s is just enough to fill the need to drive a "cool" Japanese car. It's a great car for so many different reasons, I have no complaints.
I see this issue going rampant in the Mopar community, at least with the hellcats and especially the demon. Dealers have a 100% markup sometimes.
That will save maybe 10% of challengers from takeover crashes because rich snobs will still have the money to do that
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I recently joined the motorcycle community, and I agree, that's where I see future car enthusiasts going. Maintenance is relatively cheap, it's fun, good on gas, etc. The car community will need a major change to return to the old ways.
this is the way dude, my 2006 mustang gt just got totaled and i went to look for a new beater to last while i save up for a down payment on a new car. shit was insane, so now im on that two wheel grind B) you can literally find an amazing brand new motorcycle for less than a clapped civic where i am
It's def cheaper upfront but I would say there are def other costs that add into it. Gear, accessories, insurance (please get theft insurance). They add up. Still cheaper than a modern car but I'd also say in most of the country its a hard proposition to only have a motorcycle. The weather can be downright terrible especially in winter. And to survive the wet and cold that's more investment in gear like heated jackets and weatherproof costs.
I'll ride in some rain but never below freezing. Ice will slip your tire right out. Also maintenance isn't cheap if you take it to a shop. Motorcycle shops change over 150 an hour around here. You'll have to be ready to do some work yourself on the bike to make it truly affordable. Which is fun for me and easy to do but generally not for everyone.
@@jeffbrownme2 All good points. I didn't factor in weather and location which is a huge factor. Selfishly, I'm thinking of the south where the riding season is 80 percent of the year.
Regarding maintenance you're right, I'm assuming I'm doing it myself but a lot of people don't have the skills, confidence, or time to do it themselves. The shops are hella expensive and I hear the wait times are long.
To anyone reading this and considering a motorcycle, understand it's still a significant cost and you have to consider your situation.
That what I did with my car down payment put down for a bike reinvest into my daily...
Soon then you'll see motorcycle costs going up do to car folks inflating them
The problem is cars don't last 15+ years.
10 years ago I was looking at 2000 year cars for reliable affordable beaters.
Now I'm still looking for 2000 year cars for reliable affordable beaters.
Meanwhile my friend is driving around in a car in a mid 2010 crossover and they're expecting the drive train to fail in the next two years.
I have two cars that are 20 years old had both of them for the last 14 years paid off 10 years ago it'd cheaper to fix then buy new just Learn to maintain the dam thing
Yea i have 2004 shitbox that wont die and i will buy 1999 Korando for offroad and short distances so i can give my curent shitbox to my parents. I dont want to stress over a car and i treat every car as a beater, few my cars got wrecked by driver while they were parked i cant imagine stress if i bought them for over 3k. My rule of thumb is it has to be 5k or less and not newer of 2006. Old cars are better, more reliable and ypu can get uded parts for cheaper, i have past point where i need to work just to have a car. Car is tool for comuting or tool for fun and i cant justify spending a lot on them. I rather invest in other stuff.
They put to much crap on it, more stuff to fail, more expensive stuff to fail.
Bro, we should just start building our own cars. Under the table ofc
@@StarboyXL9 yea but in most of eu you cant get it street legal unless you spend ungodly amounts of money.
I remember graduating college in 2019 and buying a new Kia Stinger GT for $10K under MSRP. I was kind of worried at the time cause I paid with cash and I didn't have much in the bank after that. Looking back, it was one of the best decisions in my life cause now we'd be lucky to find a car for MSRP and I don't expect to get rid of it for a long time. I still have my old car from high school too cause it's still reliable
Nice ride. Congrats on the luck.
BIG W
What was your other car?
3 months ago I was lucky enough to get a 2000 Lexus ES300 with 102k miles for $4k from an old couple. Garage kept and babied. Has a little Michigan rust but it’s brand new otherwise. I feel so beyond lucky at this time. I’m literally going to keep it running as long as I possibly can.
Take care of that rust. I have a 20 year old truck in south Florida from somewhere on Texas and the thing literally has less rust than vehicles 5 years and younger on my (for what it's worth) rust free area. My truck goes off road and get flooded and left underwater. Fresh water, but. Point is know and manage your rust and the vehicle will last an unexpectedly long time. And don't go through insurance of you don't have to. Results may vary.
You found a true classic take care of that 2000 Lexus oil changes etc because cars like that are slowly becoming extinct that and the cousin 2000 Camry XLE are identical and good reliable cars 4k is better than 40k on a modern day vehicle with a 600 a month plus car payment you smart for making your decision can't go wrong with the Lexus no matter what year you buy they all jazzy pimp mobiles!!!!
@@cedricmiller4370 we're at the end of old cars. Time has done it's work. I'm trying to stock up with my boy lol
@@FordRangerClassics lol I understand what you mean that era can't be rewinded we've lived it that's what matters most
@@cedricmiller4370 I go back and forth between not being any younger and prices going up. Surely you can see the conflict lol. My old truck is like the last of my old life I'm holding on to
Bro the ending of this video is actually crazy wild because I actually stared riding motorycles because of the issue with everything you discussed.
I live in Houston which is one of the most car dependent cities and its hell.
My dads scatpack fully loaded in 2018 was 38k.I went to look at a base model scat charger earlier this year and was told 48k 💀
The fact that IC chargers have been discontinued is why chargers are so expensive now
Poor dude once that boxer starts leaking oil hell regret it
@@pinelasefa4995 That’s part of it. V8s in general are gonna get REAL expensive soon
I always viewed cars like a horse in the past. Its your companion that you rely on. Seeing people change cars every 2 years is crazy to me. I had my car for over 6 years now
That’s a very good way to look at it. Treat your horse right and it’ll serve you for ages!
Every part of my car can be replaced so why would I change from the one I like? If it breaks, hey I get to put on new parts.
my Honda is so old that it's pretty much Chinese now
The sweet spot is buy a car 6-7 years old and keep it for 7-8 years. Dump after it's after you had it 7-8 years as it will be 15 years old at that point.
I just had to buy my first car to get to work and college. I got really lucky and bought the car from a grandma like you talked about but that was after months and months of searching and finding that every car listed less than $5k over the fair value was not only in terrible shape, but also the dealers were 100% firm on the insane prices.
Honestly when I saw the car trend a couple years ago, I knew it was game over. I've kept my eyes on the import market as well and it's insane how much JDM cars are going for, imported or just in the Japanese auctions.
The part that it the most disappointing is that the car market is now the job market, in that when lots of people are looking for jobs, you have no option to negotiate anything like wage, hours, etc. bc they will just tell you to leave, and it's sickening that cars are now treated the same way. Perhaps this is the time for more places to move towards improving public transportation so less people *have* to buy a car. I think that's the only way to combat the idiots buying cars like they buy shoes.
Yes! Car dependency has plagued American cities for decades now, and now we need to revert back to the way it was: livable communities. Not having to depend on a car for trips 10 miles or less and just using them because you WANT to.
@@upshift_actual Car enthusiasts against car dependance are a growing demographic. It warms my heart
You take away the car (autonomy) from the people you will be swayed into a 15 minute city. Don’t fall for it cars aren’t the problems it’s all the companies in bed with each other that is making this problem bad. Creating a bus that everyone has to ride but what happens when you don’t qualify?
@A Pretty Boring Guy Honestly I felt so conflicted between being a car enthusiast and my growing opinion against car dependency, within a society that doesn't depend on cars, I think there is definitely still a place and demand for car enthusiasts.
@@ValkyrieLightwing Think about it this way. If current inner city parking can be used for houses, parks, or schools neighborhoods will be less likely to sprawl into racetracks and get them shut down for noise complaints.
And this is why, even as a car enthusiast, I will try to avoid having a car until I really truly need to. Right now I live in the city where I take public transit to get anywhere. It's looking more and more likely that I will not have a car at all until the late 2020s.
a car enthusiast without a car.... lol
@@HDReMaster you're allowed to like things without owning them
Good luck getting an American girlfriend without having a car (yeah, most American girls are that judgmental)
@@HDReMaster You don't know his situation dude. I did that at some point. Sold all the "toys" and had no car for 18 months and made sure I finished my studies (was getting distracted by other ..... activities). Best decision I ever made. The funny thing was I had some bimbo use the same "car enthusiast without a car" phrase.
@@Nicknamed13 if she don't respect public transit then she not the one 🗣️🗣️
Another thing to make you worry about the future is that most car companies are going fully electric by 2035
You can still find cheap vehicles but you're going to have to make sacrifices by fixing them.
I DONT WANT THAT NOW
That's called a cheap car fallacy though. You buy a cheap car, and fixing it up to a serviceable state usually costs more than buying a decent example in the first place, so you lose money overall. Ask me how I know lmao.
But sometimes it costs more to fix them up especially when the seller doesn't really know what's really broken lol
@@SomeOne_86 Yet, I bet it’d still be cheaper than going to a dealership and buying a used or new car.
Get a used older small truck. 2000's and older stuff like the S10, Ranger, Dakota, T100(okay maybe not this one). Very easy and CHEAP to work on yourself, very reliable once everything is in order as well. These trucks, even the 4 cylinder versions, were well known to get over 300k miles with just regular maintenance, and can usually be had for under $5k in working order.
My father just bought a 2021 car after 12 years ownership of our previous car, that one was basically my whole life, so for me, it was quite painful to see that simple but amazing piece of car from 2011 go with 200.000km forever. His plan was to keep it like 3 years longer, but now with the new car he hopes he can keep it at least 12 years
great, it is never bad to keep it for a longer time, still, do know when it is just stupid to keep it, example engine or trans or similar really expensive repair appears, that will be the time to move away, still, before then, why not, keep it, plus, an extra car is not bad at all, maybe something happens to the new, and you end up using the old, you can just have also a car you can use if you are still under age when you turn 18 or whatever age you are allowed to drive, you can have it for yourself even especially if you have a nice relation with your family and some car enthusiast skills, since you might need to have your hand in it since it is getting a bit old, (still, nothing too hard, just normal easy stuff)... he might just himself hand it to you. an extra car is never bad, you have it for emergencies, you are not in a rush to buy an extra car in case of one, since you are going to overpay or get a not good deal when you are rushing to get one, (i literally knew one guy that bought a car in a rush that had THE WHEEL LITERALLY FALL OFF, really?!) and in case of emergency in the future, you have an extra car you could sell for cash
@@Qwertyuiop-wg5xu i will say, i didnt read the whole thing, but what i did read, was understandable, like 4 weeks before we got the new car, the fuel pump was damaged, but luckily it was still drivable, but not for longer distances, and it was like 800 or 1200 euros in the Netherlands, i believe we got it for 800 euros fixed, was expensive but it was the better move (the reasons i prefer to keep private)
Car companies need to let us decide if we want a 20" tablet embedded in the dash I just want FM, air-conditioning/heat and the ability to connect my phone to Bluetooth
This video made me appreciate my 2001 Toyota Camry, I barley got it last year in August at an auction for $1.6k and I can agree how ridiculous the listings for anything remotely similar to mine are
Nice. I got a 2000 Toyota Camry 4cyl myself. I think it's going to be way more affordable to rebuild the transmission/ engine when the time comes.
I bought a 2002 Bmw 325i for $1200 in 2019, still have it I manual swapped it and put a newer motor in it with more power,refreshed the suspension and did most the maintenance, now I have a car I can drive for another 100k miles
@@ruthlessmofo try a junkyard engine/trans first if you had to replace it
Too be honest with the way this economy is over inflated I'd honestly buy a mint condition 2000/2001 Camry with sunroof before I would a brand new 2023 off the dealer showroom because cars are too overpriced a new Camry with good credit is 500-600 dollars a month Camrys and accords should never cost those prices I don't care what kinda technology they putting in them today it's just robbery
Bought my first car a little over 2 years ago, a 2016 Honda Fit, and my parents are trying to get me to sell it because I could make a few thousand off of it since I got it for 12K with less than 60k on the clock, it now has 90k and sells for 15k. But I’m keeping it as long as I can. I love it and I want to keep it till the day I die.
God damn, $15k is basically what it cost new!
I drove a girlfriend's Fit once, a '12 I think, and I couldn't believe how fun it was to just toss around. Reminded me of my old Celica.
Supposedly the Fit has a _magical_ amount of interior space too, I think even more than the Accord at the time.
Cherish that thing, buddy!
@@nthgth I sure am!
@@lifeinhd4053 I’m surprised it’s held it’s value so well
Boomers always wanting to flip essential items like cars and houses for a quick buck 🙄 disgusting.
Spot on in this video. I’d like to also mention that the prices of older vehicles have shot up significantly in the past 3 years. A 2010 Chevy Silverado will now cost close too a 2022 Chevy Silverado (with the 2010 being 23K and the 22 being 28K) there’s no reason why a 2010 model should be near the price margin around the newer models. I also can’t find any good deals in my area. I can’t find a good truck (or any car) that is under 15K and doesn’t have some sort of electrical, transmission, or power steering issue. My 2016 Kia sportage cant be sold due to an engine defection from the factory, but somehow these beater ass cars can be put on the current market and be treated as desposible income for desparate families trying to find good vehicles. A single mother of 5 cannot buy a car for 5K with issues that costs more than the vehicles worth. I swear these prices for newer cars and trucks are getting outrageous, I can’t find a decent truck for under 15K. Hell I can’t find any vehicle under 15K without issues.
Biggest bullet dodged was my car I bought last year for 13k. It was below market price by about 3-5k so it was very sketchy initially, but I did a careful examination and had a mechanic do an inspection. Guy was also nice and let me do some rough road driving with it.
Was debating at that time whether to go for it or wait until market drops so I can get a better and newer car.
After a lot of stress, went through with it.
Average value is now 20k and rising.
I’m 35 and grew up on the Gran Turismo and NFSU series in the late ‘90s and early ‘00s. It helped that the tuner scene was hot back then with movies like The Fast and the Furious (at least the first 3 movies). It basically functioned like a big ad for cars and the tuner scene in general. I remember there was even magazines about the whole thing. Back then, the tuner scene had everything: the trash talking, the fights, Rap, rock, hiphop, the appreciation, the egos, the pride of your car and your build.. it was so cool to see that the cars basically matched the individual and the personality of the owner. It made everyone want to turn a wrench back then… even women. And I think all of this was lost over the years. I’m afraid this new generation of “cars and coffee” doesn’t really understand the satisfaction of turning a 10mm wrench or socket to torque. I’m not saying people that ALL those who go to a cars and coffee don’t understand but I’m starting see people who are “afraid” of touching their cars and it shows sometimes, when back then, everyone knew about every screw, nut, and bolt on their car, even what engine series it is. And what peeves me most, are people who unknowingly buy an enthusiast car - brand new (at a ridiculous markup of course), and don’t even appreciate what the car is only to sell it months later at an even larger markup. What we need is a another big “ad” for this hobby and hopefully in 10 years, I won’t miserably stare at my own reflection off of a window from an all electric crossover, or re-skinned teslas that half the country also owns.
I strongly agree with you and can relate with you I'm from the same era as you I'm 34 and Gran Turismo and Need for Speed used to be my favorite as well as remembering the summer of 2001 when the fast and furious came out the import scene was booming that year and hoped to some day own a supra or 300zx twin turbo and possibly a eclipse GSX trim level but fast forward today those sports cars have sky rocketed in price so much that they unattainable by the average person even the new Z is way overpriced and if you want to get a daily modern day Accord or Camry then you have to pay more than what they are truly worth I feel bad for this generation tho because the cars are costing nearly double of what they get payed I see more guys walking than I've ever seen before compared to the early 2000s and 90s when you'd see car clubs meeting up in town on Friday at car wash for nice shine and vacuum or people riding around the neighborhood Saturday with armored ale tires shining and wax paint job and music blasting with the sunroof open man I miss the the pre 2010 era
Edit: Most of the prices are from private sellers, around one in every 5 is from a dealer.
I am from Bulgaria, and the situation is pretty similar. I started working around Sept. 2022 and I saved up around 3 grand ( in local currency) by late Dec. By my calculations I could sell my current car and work for a few months to save up around 11-12k and get a bmw e92( in good condition) for around 8-10k and have some leftover for repairs. By the time I had saved up and started looking again in late Jan the prices had changed to 11k (for worse condition). As of writing this comment the lowest listing I could find was 13k ( again, local currency 1BGN = 0.56 USD). And those prices are for 325i's. Every time I save up the price has gone even higher, so I will be buying a 330i e46 coupe while I can still afford one :D( I really like both cars so it's not that big of a deal, but still) . Saddest part is that while I was studying at uni I busted my ass with three or four 12+ hour shifts in a row a week as a waiter so I could get as much money as quickly as possible, yet the inflation still managed to gap me.
same,iwas try to find a 2008 civic si under 10k but now is over 10k i was like"come on man is a ober 10 years old car is not 2013 anymore
This!!
Same in germany. Feels like that car prices just froze since 2017
I’m 19, and bought a mk3 Supra for my first car. The taking a loan on repairs part hit home, the repairs ended up costing me more than the car itself. (Oil lines dry rotted underneath the engine) I know I’m not experienced enough to do a big repair like that, but I’m trying my best to learn. I think it’s kind of sad that every dream car seems like it’s marked up to the moon. I hope things improve for everyone else, because this isn’t sustainable at all.
Again it IS an old ah car, not exactly the most economic thing for a teen 😅. Big props to you getting a Supra tho! I also got 2JZ in my 2003 IS300! Gotta be careful when buying these older cars with parts and everything. Newer cars isn’t ANY better tho.
Hope you get through it man
@@bladeklinge2224 thanks man
@@andyguous Not economical in the least, but I didn’t want to just settle for something to get me from A-B at least. I love the styling of the FC Rx7, so the Supra caught my eye since it’s didn’t have the dorito (probably would’ve been even worse for someone as new as me)
@@holocron1159 oof yea, the 2JZ is a very well built and engineered engine. Its jus the typical aging components you gotta fix
After I got out of college, I decided to take public transportation and save up some money for a car. Now 5 years later and with where the car market is at, I think I may just stick with public transportation for the foreseeable future.
Buy a moped cheap gas cheap insurance
Transit pass is still cheaper.
@@KingSNAFU true but you can move around at your own leisure
@@Carlinisalive and donate organs
@@موسى_7I heard EV bikes are good
I remember watching his channel back in 2019 a used Corolla was 14-16k now a rebuilt title Corolla is 15k very unbelievable.
And here I am, enjoying my cars. Had one for 16 years, and the other for 9. I don't care about clout, but with the older of my two vehicles definitely being much closer to the end of it's useful life than the beginning, I'm genuinely concerned that I might not be able to replace it when the time comes.
Unfortunately this isn't just limited to cars, It's defiantly more obvious in cars but houses, land, even loans themselves have silly inflated numbers at the minute!
I have to get a house AND a car this year for work, I wish you all luck in finding cheap deals! ;-;
You can always rent, no need forcefully to buy.
@@AK.__ Rent has skyrocketed too man. Of course you don't "need" to but that is a cop out. Everyone should be a homeowner and own some land if possible. We also don't "need" to buy food with inflated prices, we could just starve... I mean, we're just going to die anyways, right?
We are allowed to complain about things. Especially the increase in difficulty of obtaining shelter, such a basic need and human right.
@@ak-jxrdy-7 Yeah, you right, in general. I just point out the fact, that it house is unaffordable at the moment, better to rent rather to sign the long term unaffordable commitment. I've raised in the area, where important is to live somewhere (good rent) and people with money can buy condo and very lucky people can buy house.
@@AK.__ You're absolutely right brother. Definitely not smart trying to be an owner when you can't afford it, rent while you grow your income until you're able to afford it.
@@AK.__ You're absolutely right brother. Definitely not smart trying to be an owner when you can't afford it, rent while you grow your income until you're able to afford it.
People think I'm crazy for keeping my car as long as I do... It's only been 7 years, pretty wild
my car will be my last car i'll own, once i need a new car 45% the car market will be owned by automation car rides and ride sharing services
As long as you don’t owe money on your car who cares how long you keep it for I’m the person this video is describing I change cars in less than 2 years.the reason I do it is because I pay my cars of super fast I legit pay 4 times my monthly payment. And I don’t do it to flex I legit don’t even do social media I just really like cars and trucks I like experiencing different ones. But I did keep my first truck that I got when I graduated high school I bought myself a tundra I still have that one. Plus I have 800+ CS so I get good rates I know not everyone can do what I do.
My first car was a reasonably priced 2013 limited dodge dart (I turn 22 next week) and since then because I can commute I got a decent paying job and told myself I would put aside some decent money to get my affordable dream car half a year later, but as the months go by, I can only watch helplessly as my affordable dream car turns into a dream car.
With how the car market is now, I just decided to buy a motorcycle as my daily vehicle and use my car only when I absolutely need the storage.
"Work on their cars anymore" Another thing to consider is that home ownership itself is out of anyone's ability to have. When you live in an apartment, you really can't DIY your car maintenance because oftentimes the lease doesn't even allow it. Then you have to hope you can find a place to stash your project car at.
I'm going to buy a lada samara unironically
try a dihatsu sirion, nobody likes them, yet they somehow never fucking die lol
@@MeiTheRadioDemon costs too much here
Even those are like 2x the price they were just a couple years ago lmao.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge ik, but 400 x2 is 800
@@SteveOnlin Here the cheapest Samara is like €700, and not a nice one either. A proper 2105 is about double that.
Here in Brazil it's pretty similar right now. The market price for my 2022 car with 12k miles is actually higher than the price I paid for it, new, in 2022 (and it was the most sold car that year). Back in 2020, the same model was costing about 30% less than I paid for 2 years later. No one around me is even remotely motivated to change cars because even the simplest models are stupidly expensive
40 year old dude here that has done fairly well and own a business. I’ve never spent more than 15 grand on a vehicle. Driving my current 2010 GTI into the ground. Overspending on a car is dumb.
Came for the cars
Left with valuable life lessons
Thanks bladed angel
In the past six months, I've notices like twelve new Challengers in town. I can't wait to see them get slowly repossessed :D
professional hater
@@philtheoccultist I see where you're coming from but they are kind of screwing everyone else over by doing that.
There probably rental car's
@@johnmitchell8925 I know at least one is. But most of them I see parked in people's driveway day after day, or turning in/out of a business each week day
My aunt does this crap. She’s buys a new car every 2 years or less!! I will never understand why. It’s much better (especially now) to not have that kind of debt.
Edit: many dealers now have a “no haggle” policy meaning either you pay the sticker or you aren’t buying that car. It’s infuriating since the mark up is ridiculous and you can’t even call them on their BS
This is why I stick to cheaper older more reliable and better cars. The reliable classic. Durable built to last and has style.
I mostly agree, but realistically, on all cars older than let's say 15-20 years, things WILL break regardless if it's a Toyota, Lexus whatever. Stuff like bushings, shocks, rust will start showing up, various electronic BS etc. The cars I own are made from between 1987 for the oldest one and 2008 for the newest one, and the car from 2008 has in total had 0 issues, while I've had to do a TON of things to my older cars, simply because they rotted over time.
However, you are absolutely right when you think about how much issues modern cars will have when THEY are 15-20 years old. Imagine a 2023 hyundai in 20 years lmao.
@@SomeOne_86 I bet most 2023 hyundai's won't even stay on the road longer than 10 years. Just thanks to how complicated most newer cars are.
@@ChaseMMD Yep, exactly. It will be completely uneconomical to repair all that electronic bullsh1t when it starts breaking.
Unfortunately I can’t get those because they’re also expensive af, so I’m pretty much SOL
@SomeOne_86 I have a 76 beetle a 86 ford econoline and a 38 studebaker champion. If a vehicle is well maintained it'll last several lifetimes. 2 of my 3 cars are purring like a kitten. I still have to rebuild the Studebaker and it's all body work. If you keep a car well maintained it'll last forever. I daily drive my beetle. And wouldint trade it for the world. These reliable old gals have never failed me. And I doubt they ever will fail me.
The new Dodge demon 170 is a perfect example of insane markups and people willing to pay, most of whom are not actually going to enjoy the car.
I offered my dealer 115k, which is nearly 15k above MSRP, more than enough for someone's commission, come to find out all three allocations at my local dealer were already sold with the cheapest one going for 200k. Literally double the price. It's sad.
You are part of the problem lol. Buy a sweet car from a brand or dealer that doesn't hold you hostage.
@@budstep7361 He/She most definitely is $115k for a car is criminally disgusting. He should go buy a $50-70k car and give the remainder to people in need instead. Still gets an absurdly expensive car and manages to save peoples lives potentially.
Yet what can one expect from a typical dogmatist of the capitalist system.
It's really rough because most of us are finally at the age where we earn money so we can buy the cars we wanted as a child but the current market makes it impossible for us. It sucks that we're in this situation.
Right, I just wanted to get a dirt cheap reliable pickup like a ranger or taco to beat up in the mountains, I can’t do that when they are all 15k
At the age of 16 my dad was gifted a 1984 Dodge Ram Charger. Fast forward to 2023 he's about to hit his 39th year owning his truck.
When the engine finally gave out last year I asked him "what are you gonna do now?" To which he says "I've grown up with this truck since the age of 16 I don't plan to buy anything else. I'll just buy another engine."
I replace my car about every 3 years, but I drive over 100k miles a year, so I typically expect my vehicles to hit 300k miles before I have to start constantly repairing them. I typically try to find used cars under 70k miles and I have really taken a liking to the manual Honda fit, it's pretty cheap compared to most cars and the things are pretty indestructible. Now these are for my work. For play, I have a 2012 Chrysler 300S V8, I bought it in 2017 with 47k miles, it now has 285k miles, I have no intention of getting rid of it, I will drive it until the wheels fall off, and even then I'll probably just give it to my kid in 30 years to restore.
bruh the wheels fell off mine I replaced the cv axles and drifted a Honda on a mountain
100k miles a year?? How do you manage that
@@MKULTRA_Victim_ I pick up medical lab work from small clinics and rural hospitals and take them to the main hospital in my state. I avg 400 miles a day, 5 days a week.
@@Nightshade-dh9fm I do the same kind of work. I'll have to give the Honda Fit a look when I need my next car.
I grew out of the car community now it use to be about your passion about your car/build now its just people flexing and clout chasing, they most then likely dont even know anything about their car and look for other people approval online lmao
Basically, Tiktok ruined everything. From Anime, to Cars, Video Games, Agenda, Music, Lifestyle, Attention span and many more. The effect it hits it just bad.
Who is the Tiktok?
@@AK.__ a shitty social media app
No,it's capitalism
Anime was always a mistake my dude
@@stevebuscemi3622 sure thing buddy.
I always say this, its unfortunate really for those buying their first cars
Yes. Dealers though have also figured out keeping low stock and ordering only when someone wants MSRP price but will have to wait makes them much much more money. Since now the lot cars with mandatory accessories or market up up 4-5k are your only choice if you need a car today.
I hate car clout culture. Coupled with inflated car prices, it really makes the prospects of buying an enthusiast (if that) car nigh impossible.
I hope this changes, I don't wanna feel "out of touch" for keeping my car for longer than 1 year
Getting ripped-off by buying a R34 Skyline GT disguised as a GTR for $500K lmao.
Or how about a R33 GTR in poor condition with a price of $200K like some poor souls.
simple buy what they don't like a nice celica gt or gts is sub $4,000 all day and normal GT SN95's pop up for $2500 all the time aswell
Motorcycles are the hobby to get into. I got my motorcycle license last weekend and was shocked at how cheap bikes are. I've been riding dirt bikes since I was 5 yrs old and can say it's more fun than a car!
The sad part is: everyone who can wait to buy a car, should. Then the prices go down for everyone who needs one. Not like they're gonna steal the addendum car you sought after.
Dr. Strange buying a car “I’ve come to bargain “
So I was dropping my daughter off at HS and I was shocked at all the fairly late model cars I saw those kids driving. That was nearly unheard of not so long ago..now I think I see how that may have happened(parents trying to please their kids). I'm still rocking a 12 Camry and the only other car I have is a 19 Highlander which gets paid off in 2 yrs.
Same same. 2012 camry. 2019 sienna. Both paid in cash
2012 RAM 1500 ST I still have and a 2006 Volvo V50 is what I want. But yea kids in high schools I see drive like brand new BMW M3’s
Today I saw a 1992 camaro RS with no exhaust, 300,000 miles, needed a paint job, not running, sitting in a driveway. I asked him how much he wanted for it. He said $7,000. I told him good luck.
It's crazy to think that I got my first two cars back in 2017 and 2018 for $800 and $700 respectively, and now I can't find a driving car for less than $1500, and if I want one in reasonable shape, I'm looking at $4000-5000 at least, even for something 30-40 years old
This makes me just want to hold on to my beater and my older stuff because I can't afford the new stuff. I work on them myself when ever I find time. My friends whom are about the same age find it fascinating that I not only mod my car but maintain it and improve it. I had to hit one with the "You sold your 2013 Honda civic that was paid off for a Honda CRV 2021". Yeah, he had to give it back and loan for a honda ridge. Feels good to just out right own my beaters. They may be old and full of problems but they are my beaters with problems.
Drivem into the ground and save money!
Hey man. So i love your point about people buying new cars within 24 months. The longest ive had a car was 3 1/2 years it started becoming dumb to keep it long commute bad on gas. But i got a 08 si after i sold it to save some money and still have fun. Got rear ended. Got a 05 rsx type s. And last month i got rear ended again. Both of them were texting and driving.wish i coulda kept the si or rsx. Loved them both.. might buy the rsx back since its still so recent.
I think prices are also high because all of these dealers overpaid for their current inventory. Almost every dealer ran out of used car inventory when new car production was halted and the cars they purchased had super inflated prices. Now they’re struggling to get rid these cars at a profit
All the other car youtubers I watch say this is the case.
Yes this is part of the problem
I think the result is going to be a lengthy tug of war between average consumers and dealers until prices normalize. This happens all the time with pc parts it’s just in a much more expensive scale with these cars.
they did NOT overpay for their inventory. Are ya stuck on stupid? MSRP is what WE are supposed to pay. They pay lower than that. WE pay the mark up that these crooks add on 15k to 50k MORE.
Dealers are RIPPING BOTH YOU the fool who defend the dealers greed AND the manufacturers. Welcome to ignorance.
@@Venomx-nb1jr when you are short by 5-7k to buy the new one. You will no longer consider getting a used car. Used car dealers are digging their own grave.
I bought my car used in early 2021. I could barely talk them down, took hours and could only get them down $600 bucks. I’m no stranger to good deals so I was surprised on how much dealerships changed within a few years. Sorry to all the younger car people out there :(
Today, talking down the price will just buy somebody else the time they need to pay the asking price :)
I can personally attest to this. I have been looking for a car for so long now, I looked at Accords, and Camry's almost every midsize sedan that is at least 15 years old. I just wanted a cheap daily that will always work, can fit 5 people, and is quiet with a smooth V6. I have a sports bike for fun. Either the really nice ones are stupidly overpriced or the reasonable prices ones have a shit ton of miles on them. Someone tried to sell me a 2006 Lexus ES330, with 212,000 miles for $6,000. I ended up buying one from a private seller for $2,700 with 170,000 miles on the clock, I still gotta fix it up, but it is a way better deal. The car market especially used has gone nuts
I've been looking for a 2018 Q5 black under 40k miles with comfort and sound pack since early 2021. Back then they were about £28,000 but I check now and they're around the same price, if not slightly more. This is crazy considering it's been an extra two years so you would expect major depreciation.
I see Prius with twice as much mileage as the one I bought listed for more than I bought mine for 5 years ago. 150k 10 year old hybrids listing at 10k it's pretty insane.
I remember late 2019/ early 2020 looking at cars all day on CarGurus wanting to save up a fat down payment on something I truly wanted……by the time I had the money and decent credit everything skyrocketed and got absolutely ripped off on my current car that I’m stuck with.
I have a 2008 Toyota Yaris with 90,000 miles that is still going strong. Getting 15+ years of reliable low-cost driving out of a car that was < $15K new is incredible value, and I'm amazed at how much money people spend upgrading their car every 2-4 years. I'm only now considering an upgrade, but I could hold onto this Yaris another 5 years if needed so I can wait for deals to come along.
Toyota really was doing the lord's work with the Yaris
Welcome to the Yaris Club! Got mine in 2017 after my 2005 Clio stopped driving. It litterally broke my heart 😢
My family for some reason believes that it is impossible for TikTok to have caused this or even to have had an effect on this and they refuse to listen to reason or watch this video, they refuse to believe me.
I've noticed that it's hard these days to get a junker for under 1k...buying junk cars and getting them back on the road was a hobby of mine. Can't really do it anymore since there are no cool beaters under 1 or 2k
i bought myself a car late 2019 for about $3k but got hit in 2020 right as the pandemic hit. a lot of other things happened and when i finally had that much again to spend on a car the prices had basically tripled in late 2021 i managed to find and negotiate a 2010 cobalt car for $7k from a used place barely and it probably would be double now but damn it’s been a nightmare
As a driver of a 2006 Chevy Cobalt with a malfunctioning immobilizer I feel your pain.
I worked at chevrolet, my GM intentionally put a 25-45k mark up on corvettes. 100k+ markups on the new Z06 literally because he could.
and without markups we had people spending 100k plus on tahoes. taking 1800+ dollar monthly payments to stay at 72-84 months
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