I know they stopped working on it but I thought 3.6 is a decent build, how come tournies aren't hosting it anymore, some sort of trouble with Nintendo?
+Josh Stead It was a combination of a few things: - Twitch refused to stream the game due to legal ramifications with Nintendo - Without official distribution, people were forced to either torrent or use second-hand sites (which people don't trust). Without people downloading, the community couldn't grow. - In tandem with the community not growing, many players left the community in favor of more prosperous games with obviously brighter futures--be it other Smash titles or otherwise. - Nintendo started officially sponsoring big Smash tournaments, meaning said Smash tournaments couldn't feature P:M without it being nothing more than a side-event. This was truly the nail in the coffin. Most people don't even know that there was a P:M event at Smash Con. tl;dr - No P:M tournaments outside of side-events and locals, no streams available (unless you use Hitbox, which you don't), player leaving P:M without new players joining, and Nintendo sponsorship.
What a poetic way for PM to finish. Just like, you know we have a bright future ahead and like, we have just touched the surface of the potential for this game. Game and Watch. Who woulda known? With such young talent, we're not going anywhere.
+Rafnel It's just Christian Wallace and his girlfriend or something, he's always wearing make up and dresses so I don't know. Guy in the Cali hat and red shirt is a TO for smash at the Balcony. Goes by Alexandra now I guess
+Scr7 777 idk why people want him nerfed, would you prefer to see fox ditto's every pm final cos thats what's gonna happen if we keep nerfing every damn character that isn't a spacie.
+nothing ofinterest ive yet to see a PM fox ditto at high level and even still G&W just did falco still pillars all day with bairs and a easier finisher so....
There's nothing wrong with a new high tier character, 3.5 seemed to be fully melee, Marth, Sheik, Fox and Falco in GF's of most tournaments, I'm happy to see some new characters showing they're strong. The kid hit his combo's, doesn't mean the character is over powered it means the kid's good. Why can no one understand that?
Personally I don't think he is quite that bad as 3.0 sonic, but G&W is certainly looking pretty buff now, especially with how he is not vulnerable after UP-B, opens up way more options and takes away easy punishes.
Firefly Well as far as I know it has to do with VGBC and Gimr. Gimr made a deal with Nintendo that they will support the scene for playing Nintendo advertisements, but also they aren't allowed to play or show PM in any way possible. Even mentioning PM is (or at least was) a taboo. But still: This is what I've heard.
Yep. This is unfortunate because PM is a great game and totally different from both Melee and Brawl. If I was Nintendo I would be proud that my fans came up with this and probably just buy the rights (or get them clarified for me) if it was that popular (you cant tell me 8k dollars price pool at paragon wasnt popular enough it was larger than Melee's).
I bet if he was like 5 years older with exactly the same amount of game time played and experience, no one would bat an eye. But due to his age they are just salty as fuck? I don't get it. He's good. He rekt the tourney. Enough to have respect for.
Christ, seeing this Grand Finals and the crowd and how big it was and how hopeful and great things were looking to be before being shut down, makes me angry and sad I didn't know about PM till 3.6 in college and it was too late. If I wish I could go back and do anything, it would be to go get good at Melee and wait for the arrival of PM.
- Twitch refused to stream the game due to legal ramifications with Nintendo - Without official distribution, people were forced to either torrent or use second-hand sites (which people don't trust). Without people downloading, the community couldn't grow. - In tandem with the community not growing, many players left the community in favor of more prosperous games with obviously brighter futures--be it other Smash titles or otherwise. - Nintendo started officially sponsoring big Smash tournaments, meaning said Smash tournaments couldn't feature P:M without it being nothing more than a side-event. This was truly the nail in the coffin. Most people don't even know that there was a P:M event at Smash Con. tl;dr - No P:M tournaments outside of side-events and locals, no streams available (unless you use Hitbox, which you don't), player leaving P:M without new players joining, and Nintendo sponsorship. man, copy pasting is fun
I've played some rounds of Melee with him when he was at my school, and he is impossible to beat! The highest percentage I was able to get was about 60%, but I have never got a single stock from him. Unfortunately, he is no longer in my school anymore.
God, I actually really love the Luigi Game and Watch matches. These are two Melee characters that are actually tournament viable which sadly Melee can't demonstrate. Really great on PM for being able to have that dynamic.
+neales198 I wouldn't say that G&W is viable in tournament (in melee) due to his inability to l-cancel a few of his aerials and how small his shield is in that game.
+LegendaryNapkin i mean like i don't know how these legal things work but if they really wanted it to continue they could've given all the rights to nintendo.
+Andrew Lee It was half and half. A lot of people wanted Lz to win, some of us (I was one of the ones in the front doing the little parachute thing) were just hating on the character choice. Most of us weren't mad about it being him, or being a youngun, his character is just dumb af lmao
Got Sand? I mean...wario's guaranteed stuff is bs too I put my hate for aside cuz I wanted to see Oracle win lol but like wario vs gnw it's like pick your bs
+Got Sand? thing is, you can actually punish wario for doing stupid things. GnW you actually have to bait out his launcher (aka DTilt), and if the GnW fucks up, it's not even close to over for the character. Think of this way, USF4's Rose was and still is considered the "anti-fun" character, the only player to make that character look somewhat fun is Luffy, but other than that Rose is not fun to play as/against/watch. The PM community considers the same thing for GnW. However after Shots Fired 2, people have adapted to GnW tools.
One quick thing, this kid didn't get boo'd like you should feel bad for him, he got boo'd like... this fool is too good he needs some haters. L Z chants ftw
+16williamss It's really not that broken when you consider how light he is. With bucket braking he can be the equivalent of a mid weight character if performed perfectly. But it's not going to save him from getting kill combo'd and dying at 60 though.
Wilfred Fegelein Like the jump up b then double jump mechanic lol. I think they should change it to be like Mewtwo's where you can't double jump after the up b unless you start the up b on the ground.
Who is this Mr Lz!?? I have viewed lots of Pm tournaments and NEVER heard of this random little kid! Really suck that he won, and in a tournament with every fucking good Pm player I can name!!! Would be better if Oracle had won, and even better if with R.O.B. Also Up-B to Nair feels so fucking cheap, and Up-B in general. You use it as a free escape from shield pressure and then safely comes down with a D-air or any aerial... Also impressed that Oracle made it to grand, though some melee god should take it all.
+Tobbeh99 "He's(Mr Lz) has been unknown until his debut at EVO 2015" say the commentators. That would be the reason why you have "NEVER heard of this random little kid"
+Tobbeh99 To be completely fair, the fact that Wario has both regular grab and command grab setups into guaranteed kills on a 1 minute timer ^in an 8 minute match is pretty cheap in its own right :p ^REGARDLESS OF PERCENT
kk... I agree I was very biased/pissed because I don't like when random people like Mr. Lz show up and beat every established top player, feels very illogical and random to me, which I don't like. And you have a fair point that Wario has super guaranteed KOs with waft, and so does other character, like Falcon with Knee. So he was probably just good with Mr G&W that's why he won, he also had some more or less close sets with Lunchables (I believe) and Oracle winner finals, so he just won because he played well. I also seems that you can SDI the up-B so that he only can get a fair maybe from the up-B, eliminating the Nair KO, that really makes it less guaranteed.
I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that he knows he could've done better had he switched, but most likely his pride made him think "i should stay Wario"
JustAPerson now that's just being stupid he could've won i would play my best characters if i was at tourney like this. . . which i will never be anytime soon cuz im only 13 XD and is suck ass at smash
People pretending everyone didn't like the kid because of his age. Or because they got bopped. Maybe it's because the kid was playing arrogantly and taunting all over the place like a smuck? Nobody saw that?
+SSP Trip Oracle actually looked halfway versed in Luigi's playstyle, but his Wario just looked so cookie-cutter. BUT, for some odd reason, his Wario fared MUCH better than his Luigi. Wario is annoying. He'll be high tier for the wrong reasons at first. Very unexplored character IMO. Doesn't need to be taken to his limits because he carries players. Just my opinion.
I really hate watching this set. It totally exemplifies why g&w is stupid in pm. He starts ridiculous auto-combos that work on every character with CC d-tilt. He can easily escape pressure and combos with up-b OOS as a panic option and start a combo out of it. Additionally very few characters can really deal with d-air back onto stage, which he also starts combos out of. And on top of it all he has good recovery that he can double jump out of for excellent mix ups. So dumb.
"We have a bright future ahead... PM's not going anywhere"
I cry everytime
I don't understand why it just died, it's so much more hype than sm4sh
Dev team got C&D'd, stopped updating and officially distributing the game.
I know they stopped working on it but I thought 3.6 is a decent build, how come tournies aren't hosting it anymore, some sort of trouble with Nintendo?
+Josh Stead It was a combination of a few things:
- Twitch refused to stream the game due to legal ramifications with Nintendo
- Without official distribution, people were forced to either torrent or use second-hand sites (which people don't trust). Without people downloading, the community couldn't grow.
- In tandem with the community not growing, many players left the community in favor of more prosperous games with obviously brighter futures--be it other Smash titles or otherwise.
- Nintendo started officially sponsoring big Smash tournaments, meaning said Smash tournaments couldn't feature P:M without it being nothing more than a side-event. This was truly the nail in the coffin. Most people don't even know that there was a P:M event at Smash Con.
tl;dr - No P:M tournaments outside of side-events and locals, no streams available (unless you use Hitbox, which you don't), player leaving P:M without new players joining, and Nintendo sponsorship.
Fucking Nintendo.
lol
oracle: u-throw -> u-air
crowd: OMG YES GO ORACLE
mr lz: crazy combo involving multiple tech chases and di reads
crowd: BOOOOOO
i also love how the dude in red gets ready to do the parachute motion like 3000 times and then just stops when its not nair
so fucking true
Basically seik mains in ultimate
(does like tas level combo)
haha no damage
*incineroar up b's*
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You def can't say it's just the character when another strong G&W player was here and didn't do nearly as well. Kids just dope.
You already know this nigga going straight to Chuck E. Cheese with that cash money lmfao
He actually said he's raiding Toys R Us no joke
+Fredward “Adahy” Williams Buyin' out the happy meals for his bitches
what a salty crowd
I'm so glad to see that Oracle his little fanboys were salty af, after all that disrespect to Mr Lz. Great win he deserved it
9:54
i understand they want oracle's wario to win, but seeing them cheer at a 0% sd was really dissapointing
+flare bear I agree. Sding at 0% and the crowd getting hype over that must suck.
+flare bear If anyone sds at 0% it is really bad in general.
wow wtf is wrong with that crowd
What a poetic way for PM to finish. Just like, you know we have a bright future ahead and like, we have just touched the surface of the potential for this game. Game and Watch. Who woulda known? With such young talent, we're not going anywhere.
this crowd is such a shame. Booing this kid for what exactly?
They're afraid
Maybe spam taunting
Agreed. And I also think they feel like garbage after seeing a 14 year old beat people who have played smash for 5+ years
+Rafnel
20:24
They seem to be very hype :|
Also, they clap a lot
+Rafnel It's just Christian Wallace and his girlfriend or something, he's always wearing make up and dresses so I don't know. Guy in the Cali hat and red shirt is a TO for smash at the Balcony. Goes by Alexandra now I guess
He probably went to school the next day with Jordans on.
Gotta love 8:44 Grown man popping off after taking one set off a middle schooler.
this kid was born 12 years after the last game and watch came out
+rubberwoody and?
the crowd just cheered cus of an sd? funny as hell how salty they were during the match
this kid is going to dominate if he keeps playing lol
+TheGhostgodzilla inb4 G&w nerfs
+Scr7 777 idk why people want him nerfed, would you prefer to see fox ditto's every pm final cos thats what's gonna happen if we keep nerfing every damn character that isn't a spacie.
+nothing ofinterest ive yet to see a PM fox ditto at high level and even still G&W just did falco still pillars all day with bairs and a easier finisher so....
There's nothing wrong with a new high tier character, 3.5 seemed to be fully melee, Marth, Sheik, Fox and Falco in GF's of most tournaments, I'm happy to see some new characters showing they're strong. The kid hit his combo's, doesn't mean the character is over powered it means the kid's good. Why can no one understand that?
nothing ofinterest "cuz is not marth, fox, falco and sheik the top tier"-guy who doesn't want new faces.
Personally I don't think he is quite that bad as 3.0 sonic, but G&W is certainly looking pretty buff now, especially with how he is not vulnerable after UP-B, opens up way more options and takes away easy punishes.
P R O D I G Y B O Y S
This kid's going places.
+TheRunningColors Maybe not in PM anymore...there aren't that much tourneys after the "sellout"
+Nerex The sellout? Explain please.
Firefly Well as far as I know it has to do with VGBC and Gimr. Gimr made a deal with Nintendo that they will support the scene for playing Nintendo advertisements, but also they aren't allowed to play or show PM in any way possible. Even mentioning PM is (or at least was) a taboo.
But still: This is what I've heard.
Nerex You actually might be right because they didn't show PM at StR this year.
Also explains all of the "SELLOUT"s in the chat...
Yep. This is unfortunate because PM is a great game and totally different from both Melee and Brawl. If I was Nintendo I would be proud that my fans came up with this and probably just buy the rights (or get them clarified for me) if it was that popular (you cant tell me 8k dollars price pool at paragon wasnt popular enough it was larger than Melee's).
"PM's Not goin anywhere" Last words...
3:00 YOU TRIED TO HECKLE HIM AND HE ONLY POWERED UP LMAO
I bet if he was like 5 years older with exactly the same amount of game time played and experience, no one would bat an eye. But due to his age they are just salty as fuck? I don't get it. He's good. He rekt the tourney. Enough to have respect for.
Thats not it. Its a combination of most of them being from texas and the spam taunts probably xD
Bruh I'm 13 and feel the same way at Melee tournies. I 2-0 some people lol
This was the biggest project m tourney of all time, if you strolled up to evo you would most likely get your ass handed to you.
Christ, seeing this Grand Finals and the crowd and how big it was and how hopeful and great things were looking to be before being shut down, makes me angry and sad I didn't know about PM till 3.6 in college and it was too late. If I wish I could go back and do anything, it would be to go get good at Melee and wait for the arrival of PM.
2 years later, I still watch this vod and pop off like when I was watching live
"pm's not going anywhere" nintendo shuts it down
Fuckin what? No they didn't lmao
- Twitch refused to stream the game due to legal ramifications with Nintendo
- Without official distribution, people were forced to either torrent or use second-hand sites (which people don't trust). Without people downloading, the community couldn't grow.
- In tandem with the community not growing, many players left the community in favor of more prosperous games with obviously brighter futures--be it other Smash titles or otherwise.
- Nintendo started officially sponsoring big Smash tournaments, meaning said Smash tournaments couldn't feature P:M without it being nothing more than a side-event. This was truly the nail in the coffin. Most people don't even know that there was a P:M event at Smash Con.
tl;dr - No P:M tournaments outside of side-events and locals, no streams available (unless you use Hitbox, which you don't), player leaving P:M without new players joining, and Nintendo sponsorship.
man, copy pasting is fun
I've played some rounds of Melee with him when he was at my school, and he is impossible to beat! The highest percentage I was able to get was about 60%, but I have never got a single stock from him. Unfortunately, he is no longer in my school anymore.
Sup Kevin :P
best commentary duo in pm history
Does anyone know the name of the song that plays on Smashville in this vid? Plz help, i'll love you long time if you can tell me.
God, I actually really love the Luigi Game and Watch matches. These are two Melee characters that are actually tournament viable which sadly Melee can't demonstrate. Really great on PM for being able to have that dynamic.
+neales198 I wouldn't say that G&W is viable in tournament (in melee) due to his inability to l-cancel a few of his aerials and how small his shield is in that game.
Jee, Oracle looked so pissed when he finally got a lead, while Mr Lz was just giggling
Rewatching this set and god damn the commentary duo was amazing.
What's song name at 1:16 min?
"PM's not going anywhere" Kappa
+LegendaryNapkin i mean like i don't know how these legal things work but if they really wanted it to continue they could've given all the rights to nintendo.
Famous last words
PM's not going anywhere
First Leo and now Mr. Lz, the young ones are going to dominate SSB.
You were right
does the front row have down syndrome
This match proves that in Pm anyone and any character can win a tourney, too bad nintendo is f*cking it over for Sm4sh
Nice B8 M8
jesus aguirre what does that mean?
+DarkChocolateGamer he means, "nice bait mate"
He looks like Carl from The Walking Dead jaja
Lmao he does
Why is the crowd "boo"ing on the kid? He looks like he can dominate me in pm
MrLz is one of the most legendary players of all time.
Everyone saying the crowd was terrible and hating on LZ, but you can hear the crowd chanting "LZ" once he wins. Wut.
+Andrew Lee It was half and half. A lot of people wanted Lz to win, some of us (I was one of the ones in the front doing the little parachute thing) were just hating on the character choice. Most of us weren't mad about it being him, or being a youngun, his character is just dumb af lmao
That's fairly understandable.
+Best Asura ARAD You hate GnW but you support upthrow Fart from wario. Or his up-throw up air guaranteed stuff. Hypocrisy at its finest, lets gooooo.
Got Sand? I mean...wario's guaranteed stuff is bs too
I put my hate for aside cuz I wanted to see Oracle win lol but like wario vs gnw it's like pick your bs
+Got Sand? thing is, you can actually punish wario for doing stupid things. GnW you actually have to bait out his launcher (aka DTilt), and if the GnW fucks up, it's not even close to over for the character. Think of this way, USF4's Rose was and still is considered the "anti-fun" character, the only player to make that character look somewhat fun is Luffy, but other than that Rose is not fun to play as/against/watch. The PM community considers the same thing for GnW. However after Shots Fired 2, people have adapted to GnW tools.
this little kid is one of the project m gods??
After watching this kid's G&W, and looking back at mine, I just started practicing even more. He made my G&W look like sh*t, lol.
The Mango of PM lol. This kid is nuts.
I got to witness Oracle's Wario absolutely destroy my buddy's Meta Knight a while back. So seeing this is incredible.
dang pm is still a thing?
The crowd reaction is on my channel :)
daaamn! high level luigi is soooo good to watch in projectM!
someone should have adviced oclare to use more sibe-B (soulder charge) with Wario...
One quick thing, this kid didn't get boo'd like you should feel bad for him, he got boo'd like... this fool is too good he needs some haters.
L Z chants ftw
Those three nitwits in the front have 0 respect for Mr. Lz amazing play
What is the song that plays on smashville called?
the title from animal crossing is why it says so I think that's it
sumrith ray PM remix of 2:00 am
Can someone tell me why my wavelands are longer than my wavedashes? Is it just my angle?
no shit
+Vexzie fuck you too
+DAWK LEWWIS when you downfall and have a good angle they go crazy far
+DarkLeviathan8 whats a downfall?
+DAWK LEWWIS
when you perfect waveland you can go straight horizontal, but wavedashes must be angled toward the ground.
"pm is not going anywhere"
Commentators curse
20:36 CRACLE vs Mr Lz?!?!
Whats pm?
what this kid has going for him: making thousands of dollars kicking as by playing games
what I have going for myself: "well I can lick my elbo"
nice work lil homie
"pm is not going anywhere"
:'v
Commentator's curse
the next mango
crowd cheering for the SD on Battlefield really shows their salt. lol
Great matches through and through.
oracle looks like a fatter john wick
"PM is not going anywhere." lol.
That girl in the red shirt needs to learn some respect. She's a commentator after all.
Sm4sh PM next ?!?!
Caden Jefferson NO lol
Luigi's wave dash looks so funny, he like glides across half the stage
New here?
+Kayy Galaxy nah I just really never watch enough Luigi in melee and pm
Watch Abate
i have now. That set vs S2J, v canceling for days
A Kid the Same age as Me and Mains Game and Watch Like me this is beast
Now the PMDT is going to nerf G&W mad hard... I feel they should just remove bucket breaking cuz that seems pretty broken
+16williamss It's really not that broken when you consider how light he is. With bucket braking he can be the equivalent of a mid weight character if performed perfectly. But it's not going to save him from getting kill combo'd and dying at 60 though.
+JumbaJumby isn't that the same logic used for why fox shouldn't be nerfed. he gets comboed and dies easily?
Cress Was just explaining why bucket breaking isn't broken. Not commenting on the rest of the character.
+16williamss g&w is pretty fucked they have other things they need to change about him first
Wilfred Fegelein Like the jump up b then double jump mechanic lol. I think they should change it to be like Mewtwo's where you can't double jump after the up b unless you start the up b on the ground.
Yeah, that salty crowd pisses me off
The last frame is too good X)
20:46 That was the dream.
GimR`s son for sure
"pms not goin anywhere" development stops a few months later. XD
MrLz is the Captain Zack of project m
At the start Lz is saying "what mom?"
And this is the story of how Mr. Lz lost is virginity
lmao @ that salty staff member
props ma lil nigga
+TeamPushPop thx
Wait is that fucking Forest, I know him. Shit dude, I knew he was good at melee but damn.
sup
Hey boi.
G&W combos are free
16:35
chudat gets called to play
lol
Who is this Mr Lz!?? I have viewed lots of Pm tournaments and NEVER heard of this random little kid! Really suck that he won, and in a tournament with every fucking good Pm player I can name!!! Would be better if Oracle had won, and even better if with R.O.B.
Also Up-B to Nair feels so fucking cheap, and Up-B in general. You use it as a free escape from shield pressure and then safely comes down with a D-air or any aerial...
Also impressed that Oracle made it to grand, though some melee god should take it all.
quit yer bitchin
+Tobbeh99 "He's(Mr Lz) has been unknown until his debut at EVO 2015" say the commentators. That would be the reason why you have "NEVER heard of this random little kid"
+Tobbeh99 To be completely fair, the fact that Wario has both regular grab and command grab setups into guaranteed kills on a 1 minute timer ^in an 8 minute match is pretty cheap in its own right :p
^REGARDLESS OF PERCENT
kk... I agree I was very biased/pissed because I don't like when random people like Mr. Lz show up and beat every established top player, feels very illogical and random to me, which I don't like. And you have a fair point that Wario has super guaranteed KOs with waft, and so does other character, like Falcon with Knee. So he was probably just good with Mr G&W that's why he won, he also had some more or less close sets with Lunchables (I believe) and Oracle winner finals, so he just won because he played well. I also seems that you can SDI the up-B so that he only can get a fair maybe from the up-B, eliminating the Nair KO, that really makes it less guaranteed.
when they nerf this character hes still gonna be good
omgI wana mane G&W
second round was intense af
good to see some wario rep tho
is it a girl?
One of the commentators is clearly a Jewish Tony Stark; and I'm not talking about the grown up Short Round.
Rdj is jewish, I guess you could say he is the Jewish Tony Stark hehe
well played mr llz sik guy
Wario's terrible to watch in Project M (Brawl mod).
Warning: salt below
mr lz. the god
please keep in mind that Oracle's Wario is not definitive example of a good Wario player. and he probably knows it too.
+JustAPerson sounds like you're defending oracle - if not sorry BUT if he isn't a good wario player he could've just switched his character.
I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that he knows he could've done better had he switched, but most likely his pride made him think "i should stay Wario"
JustAPerson now that's just being stupid he could've won i would play my best characters if i was at tourney like this. . . which i will never be anytime soon cuz im only 13 XD and is suck ass at smash
fuck all that shuffling shit
The kid is very good but Mr. Game and Watch is a pretty broken character anyways.
People pretending everyone didn't like the kid because of his age. Or because they got bopped. Maybe it's because the kid was playing arrogantly and taunting all over the place like a smuck? Nobody saw that?
Wario carries mediocre players.
+SSP Trip Oracle actually looked halfway versed in Luigi's playstyle, but his Wario just looked so cookie-cutter. BUT, for some odd reason, his Wario fared MUCH better than his Luigi. Wario is annoying. He'll be high tier for the wrong reasons at first. Very unexplored character IMO. Doesn't need to be taken to his limits because he carries players.
Just my opinion.
I really hate watching this set. It totally exemplifies why g&w is stupid in pm. He starts ridiculous auto-combos that work on every character with CC d-tilt. He can easily escape pressure and combos with up-b OOS as a panic option and start a combo out of it. Additionally very few characters can really deal with d-air back onto stage, which he also starts combos out of. And on top of it all he has good recovery that he can double jump out of for excellent mix ups. So dumb.