This seems to be the best method I have seen so far, I have some 3D printers and I printed some plastic foundation, however, it is not quick and is more expensive than buying it, although it worked just fine. I have seen some 3D printed embossing roller machines for embossing paper online, I think this could easily be converted for wax foundation usage, I will look into this. I enjoy making things for my own use and any saving of money is always welcome.
The handy jumper sleeve all purpose squeegees, thanks. This gives me hope to afford to start in bees and get em growing in numbers ( with 2 mates with a few hives).
No matter what I spray the rollers with, I end up with wax sticking. I found an easy and 100% reliable solution by simply putting the sheet between wrapping file before milling. Saran warp and glad wrap both work fine.
Try keeping your sheets in the warm water (around 30 degrees) with a little dishwashing soap. This combined with the rollers being coated will eliminate the problem. The sheets of wax are moved from the water bath and put though the rollers quickly.
Greetings from a small homestead in Texas! Thanks for making this video showing how to create wax sheets economically!!! We have an opportunity to purchase a wax foundation mill, but it wasn't going to be worth it if we had to buy wax sheets in the first place. We wish you all the best!
Great informative video. Do you have bees ?? Or do you just make them to sale ??. Also have you ever tried to put just the slick wax sheets in a hive to see how they would build on them or if the bees build them out any faster or slower one way or another. Thanks
Hi Kathy. I make these sheets for my own bees. I have used flat sheets of wax but the bees don’t work it as well as embossed sheets. I also use starter strips that the bees draw well.
@@lesgold2132 Thanks that is what I thought on trying to just put it in as a flat wax . I use the full sheets of foundation wax and have always had great luck with the bees drawings them out thanks for the response it looks like you have it going on . Keep up the great work. Thanks
Hi Les. You used to use a rubber mould but have now gone to an embossing roller. Have you changed because you found the straight brittle rubber mould foundation wasn’t drawn out by the bees?
Hi Duncan. The bees love the foundation. Don’t forget that inside the hive is 35 degrees and the wax is no longer brittle. It’s only an issue when you try to put in into a frame on a really cold day. Even then, you can still sit it in the in for a few minutes to make the foundation a little softer. I changed as I wanted to increase the rate at which the foundation was made. If I only had a few hives, I’d still be using the silicone.
Thanks so much Les for your reply and direction. As much as would love an embossing roller, I only have a dozen hives here in the UK and, as a Les experienced beekeeper I guess it wouldn’t be cost effective. Really grateful for pointing out that the foundation won’t be brittle once the bees get it up to temperature. Bless you.
Hi les, great work. I’ve thought about doing this but with the cost of bees wax fetching $30 and given that I’ll get 13 sheets to a kg, it’s probably easier and cheaper to buy it at $2.50 per sheet. Whats your thoughts.
Hi Mesbah. I think you have a valid point there. I have also considered that option. I can get about $17 per kg if I sell to the suppliers but if I want to sell my wax to the public, I would have to filter it three times and cast it into small ingots etc. so there is work involved as well. By making my own foundation, I know exactly what goes into it. (My own pure, disease and chemical free wax). My nearest supplier of foundation is 60km away and they charge a little more than $2.50 per sheet. I have to go and pick it up so there is the travel (or postage) to consider. If I am out of foundation and need a few sheets, I simply make it when required. Realistically, in my situation, it’s my best option. This may not be the case for other people. Thanks for the question. Cheers. Les
Les Gold agree, the most important thing about this is making it from your own wax. I think that is the whole point and worth it even if it costs a little more. I make my own using a mould as that roller cost to much for me, which is a great shame, the price really reflects that it’s just bee equipment, if it was for cooking it would be £100 lol.
Not all foundation is created equally. Some cheap out by using additives for example. But more importantly by casting your own foundation you can determine cell size. For a commercial beekeeper a bigger cell means less "waste", the bees have to make less wax to contain the honey, so more time is devoted to making honey. It has a downside though. Larger cells and varroa mites seem to go hand in hand. Which leads to more chemicals and more time devoted to pestcontrol. Within the natural beekeeping community you allow the bees to create their own cells. And those cells are far smaller then commercial cells. An added benefit is less of a varroa mite problem, as the mites mature with the bees inside the cell. Less room inside the cell means less potential for the mite (at least that is the working theory). Natural beekeepers also select bees for resistance and not maximizing profit, which means letting go sometimes. Nature does know best after all. Anyway, my point is, by making foundation with a smaller cell size you can take the middleground by using the size selected by nature as optimal, but aiding the bees by giving them foundation as a start, so they can go on and make honey.
Rolled beeswax is more flexible than cast beeswax. On cold days they will be more brittle. Leaving them in a warm environment before making the candles would be an advantage.
I thought soap was not safe for bees. How is it that soap can be used for this application without hurting the bees or honey safety and quality in any way? Please reply, I am genuinely asking.
The dishwashing soap stops the wax from sticking to rollers or the wooden paddle. All foundation is then soaked in pure rainwater after it is made to remove any residue.
@@dritch2472 Yes. Foundation is soaked and rinsed in fresh water. It is then allowed to dry as individual sheets before being stored. If sheets are to be placed directly into a hive, they are not dried.
G'day Les, how do you find these sheets hold up to commercial sheets when extracting? I try to only use wax in the brood boxes (plastic in the supers) but I'm curious as I've heard the commercial process makes them stiffer?
Hi Pete. I basically use them throughout the hive. I don’t use queen excluders and therefore the queen can lay anywhere. Like any new frames, I extract carefully the first time they come back out of the hive. Haven’t noticed any difference to commercially made foundation.
@@lesgold2132 Ok thanks mate, it's probably not something I will personally get in to as I'm moving more commercial but great to see others pulling this sort of thing off. Nice job
Hi Doug. I just use a small squirt of kitchen detergent and make sure that the rollers are wet GeForce starting each piece of foundation. Keeping the flat sheet of wax wet also helps.
Hi Nick. It may be possible but trying to get the wire tensioned and in the correct position in the wax would be a challenge. It is so easy to add the foundation to pre wired frames. I personally can’t see anything but issues with that approach.
The temperature is about 30 degrees C. At that temperature the wax is still playable and it runs through the embossing roller without cracking. Cast wax when cool is quite brittle.
Hi Alexa. The foundation is installed using the same methods that would be used when using commercially produced wax. Have a look at my other video on Homemade Beeswax Foundation to see this technique demonstrated.
Yes I do. Wax sheets sit vertically in a tub of rain water for about 10 minutes after manufacture. I then allow them to air dry over night before storing them.
I made the mistake of trying to imprint before applying the soapy water. BIG mistake. hope i dont break it when taking off the rollers to clean. BULA from Fiji Islands
@@lesgold2132 All went well. Elected to place the machine on its side and pour hot water over the rolers while rotating them. Its been good making my own sheets! Bee suppliers around here tend to make a 1:1 beewax:paraffin mixture which makes the mats rather brittle.
@@theEpicxY Glad to hear it all worked out for you. I’m not surprised that other waxes are mixed in to make the foundation. Beeswax is becoming a valuable commodity
You obviously don’t realise but ALL STAINLESS BEER BARRELS………..are and always remain the property of Carlton United Breweries if you cut them or sell them or damage them you will be charged with theft. I have a very good friend that was charged with theft of one because he made a letterbox from one and received a very hefty fine through the courts. You might want to change your boiling equipment as advertising on here is not good.
Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea. I purchased the kegs from metal recyclers many years ago. They had obviously been scrapped by the owners due to damage. From memory there was quite a few that were being recycled at the time.
Thanks for your reply. I am pleased that you raised that point. From your comment I assume that you don’t keep bees and have little knowledge of how a bee hive operates. Let me explain a few points. Wax by its very makeup is a clean and sterile material. When formed into sheets of foundation via heat, pasteurisation of the wax naturally occurs. You may notice that sheets are placed onto a concrete floor or onto a bench that contains dust, wood shavings etc. This is of no concern as any item placed into a beehive is meticulously cleaned by the bees. It is the natural way that they keep the hive sterile. Thanks again for your comment. I hope you have gained a bit more knowledge about this wonderful pastime.
This seems to be the best method I have seen so far, I have some 3D printers and I printed some plastic foundation, however, it is not quick and is more expensive than buying it, although it worked just fine.
I have seen some 3D printed embossing roller machines for embossing paper online, I think this could easily be converted for wax foundation usage, I will look into this.
I enjoy making things for my own use and any saving of money is always welcome.
@@AndrewAHayes Thanks for the feedback. Embossing rollers for wax foundation are now readily available online but they are quite expensive.
You sir, are a genius! Thanks for this info, fantastic 😍
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The handy jumper sleeve all purpose squeegees, thanks. This gives me hope to afford to start in bees and get em growing in numbers ( with 2 mates with a few hives).
It’s very nice! Thank for showing video! You have a great time!
No matter what I spray the rollers with, I end up with wax sticking. I found an easy and 100% reliable solution by simply putting the sheet between wrapping file before milling. Saran warp and glad wrap both work fine.
Sorry that should have been wrapping film, not file.
Try keeping your sheets in the warm water (around 30 degrees) with a little dishwashing soap. This combined with the rollers being coated will eliminate the problem. The sheets of wax are moved from the water bath and put though the rollers quickly.
Do you clean the soapy water of the foundation sheets?
What about a spray can of olive oil?
Excellent video!
Greetings from a small homestead in Texas! Thanks for making this video showing how to create wax sheets economically!!! We have an opportunity to purchase a wax foundation mill, but it wasn't going to be worth it if we had to buy wax sheets in the first place. We wish you all the best!
Thanks - you just set me up for success
How does the wax release from the flat panels ??? Nice work fella.
Thanks mate. The wax releases easily from the paddle. Moving the paddle up and down a couple of times in water releases the sheet.
@@lesgold2132 Cold water ???
@@victoryfirst2878 Water is at about 35C to keep the wax pliable so that it will run through the embosser.
Lovely set up, Les!
Would love to spend a day with you learning all your techniques, mate.
I'm based in Sydney.
Hope you're staying safe.
Cheers
Wow awesome 👍🏻❤️👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for the feedback. Really appreciated.
Love your work Les. ❤
Thanks Pendo
How thick is your wooden paddle? Thanks a million this is what i am going to use .... have been trying all sorts of methods with no lucky ....
@@beemupedziswa It is about 19mm thick. Hope it works out well for you
Great informative video. Do you have bees ?? Or do you just make them to sale ??. Also have you ever tried to put just the slick wax sheets in a hive to see how they would build on them or if the bees build them out any faster or slower one way or another. Thanks
Hi Kathy. I make these sheets for my own bees. I have used flat sheets of wax but the bees don’t work it as well as embossed sheets. I also use starter strips that the bees draw well.
@@lesgold2132 Thanks that is what I thought on trying to just put it in as a flat wax . I use the full sheets of foundation wax and have always had great luck with the bees drawings them out thanks for the response it looks like you have it going on . Keep up the great work. Thanks
Πολύ καλή δουλειά! Πολλά συγχαρητήρια!!! 🙂👍
Thanks for the feedback
Could anyone advise me if they have one of these wax foundation rollers to sell or advise me where I could buy one from?
I'm in the UK
Search beeswax foundation embossing roller on your search engine you might find a local supplier
Nice and simple!! Cheers
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the clip
Hi Les. You used to use a rubber mould but have now gone to an embossing roller. Have you changed because you found the straight brittle rubber mould foundation wasn’t drawn out by the bees?
Hi Duncan. The bees love the foundation. Don’t forget that inside the hive is 35 degrees and the wax is no longer brittle. It’s only an issue when you try to put in into a frame on a really cold day. Even then, you can still sit it in the in for a few minutes to make the foundation a little softer. I changed as I wanted to increase the rate at which the foundation was made. If I only had a few hives, I’d still be using the silicone.
Thanks so much Les for your reply and direction. As much as would love an embossing roller, I only have a dozen hives here in the UK and, as a Les experienced beekeeper I guess it wouldn’t be cost effective. Really grateful for pointing out that the foundation won’t be brittle once the bees get it up to temperature. Bless you.
🙏Thanks for informative video 🙏
Where do we get a roller like that? Will a silicon sheet and cake pin have the same effect?
Look at beekeeping suppliers. A few of them sell the embossing roller. Silicone mats are also available to make foundation.
Hi les, great work. I’ve thought about doing this but with the cost of bees wax fetching $30 and given that I’ll get 13 sheets to a kg, it’s probably easier and cheaper to buy it at $2.50 per sheet. Whats your thoughts.
Hi Mesbah. I think you have a valid point there. I have also considered that option. I can get about $17 per kg if I sell to the suppliers but if I want to sell my wax to the public, I would have to filter it three times and cast it into small ingots etc. so there is work involved as well. By making my own foundation, I know exactly what goes into it. (My own pure, disease and chemical free wax). My nearest supplier of foundation is 60km away and they charge a little more than $2.50 per sheet. I have to go and pick it up so there is the travel (or postage) to consider. If I am out of foundation and need a few sheets, I simply make it when required. Realistically, in my situation, it’s my best option. This may not be the case for other people. Thanks for the question. Cheers. Les
Les Gold agree, the most important thing about this is making it from your own wax. I think that is the whole point and worth it even if it costs a little more. I make my own using a mould as that roller cost to much for me, which is a great shame, the price really reflects that it’s just bee equipment, if it was for cooking it would be £100 lol.
Not all foundation is created equally. Some cheap out by using additives for example. But more importantly by casting your own foundation you can determine cell size. For a commercial beekeeper a bigger cell means less "waste", the bees have to make less wax to contain the honey, so more time is devoted to making honey. It has a downside though. Larger cells and varroa mites seem to go hand in hand. Which leads to more chemicals and more time devoted to pestcontrol.
Within the natural beekeeping community you allow the bees to create their own cells. And those cells are far smaller then commercial cells. An added benefit is less of a varroa mite problem, as the mites mature with the bees inside the cell. Less room inside the cell means less potential for the mite (at least that is the working theory). Natural beekeepers also select bees for resistance and not maximizing profit, which means letting go sometimes. Nature does know best after all.
Anyway, my point is, by making foundation with a smaller cell size you can take the middleground by using the size selected by nature as optimal, but aiding the bees by giving them foundation as a start, so they can go on and make honey.
Do these stay somewhat flexible after curing? I'm interested in perhaps making rolled beeswax candles.
Rolled beeswax is more flexible than cast beeswax. On cold days they will be more brittle. Leaving them in a warm environment before making the candles would be an advantage.
Hi Les a good explanation on your wax sheet making. Where do you purchase the roller in AUS?
Hi Glenn. Try Iwoohoo beekeeping supplies inPrestons. I bought this roller for about 5 years and got it on eBay.
@@lesgold2132 Thanks Les I will have a look.
@@gmskippy Avoid middlemen and save$$$ buy from manufacturers. Those rollers are made in China.
GREAT LES, I SHOULD THINK THE ROLLERS WOULD COST A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT IF I HAD TO BUY THEM, RATHER ENVIOUS OF THOSE. BEST WISHES, ANN.
I thought soap was not safe for bees. How is it that soap can be used for this application without hurting the bees or honey safety and quality in any way? Please reply, I am genuinely asking.
The dishwashing soap stops the wax from sticking to rollers or the wooden paddle. All foundation is then soaked in pure rainwater after it is made to remove any residue.
What about the soap? Do you wash it off?
@@dritch2472 Yes. Foundation is soaked and rinsed in fresh water. It is then allowed to dry as individual sheets before being stored. If sheets are to be placed directly into a hive, they are not dried.
Hello from Kajun Homestead and beekeeping👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Welcome aboard
G'day Les, how do you find these sheets hold up to commercial sheets when extracting? I try to only use wax in the brood boxes (plastic in the supers) but I'm curious as I've heard the commercial process makes them stiffer?
Hi Pete. I basically use them throughout the hive. I don’t use queen excluders and therefore the queen can lay anywhere. Like any new frames, I extract carefully the first time they come back out of the hive. Haven’t noticed any difference to commercially made foundation.
@@lesgold2132 Ok thanks mate, it's probably not something I will personally get in to as I'm moving more commercial but great to see others pulling this sort of thing off. Nice job
What kind if soap do you use for the rollers? I have a set of rollers but I didn't know to use the soap and now I have wax stuck to the top roller.
Hi Doug. I just use a small squirt of kitchen detergent and make sure that the rollers are wet GeForce starting each piece of foundation. Keeping the flat sheet of wax wet also helps.
@@lesgold2132 Thank you.
If you were going to wire this foundation would you add the wire between the first and second wax dip?
Hi Nick. It may be possible but trying to get the wire tensioned and in the correct position in the wax would be a challenge. It is so easy to add the foundation to pre wired frames. I personally can’t see anything but issues with that approach.
I take it the water in the release tank is cool?
The temperature is about 30 degrees C. At that temperature the wax is still playable and it runs through the embossing roller without cracking. Cast wax when cool is quite brittle.
How much cost of 1 kg. ready foundation sheet...?
So cool.
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Video của bạn chia sẻ rất hay thanks
You are welcome. I am pleased that you enjoyed it.
Really useful, thanks
Hi @4:50 what that machine it called please good job 👏
It is called a beeswax foundation embossing roller.
@lesgold2132 ok thanks
@@bumedon3278 👍
What about how to insert this homemade wax foundation?
Hi Alexa. The foundation is installed using the same methods that would be used when using commercially produced wax. Have a look at my other video on Homemade Beeswax Foundation to see this technique demonstrated.
Where did you purchase the embossing roller?
The rollers were purchased on Ebay quite a few years ago
Do you rinse off the soapy water from the wax sheets?
Yes I do. Wax sheets sit vertically in a tub of rain water for about 10 minutes after manufacture. I then allow them to air dry over night before storing them.
Machine is price sir
I made the mistake of trying to imprint before applying the soapy water. BIG mistake. hope i dont break it when taking off the rollers to clean.
BULA from Fiji Islands
It does take some time to clean the rollers n that situation. Good luck with it.
@@lesgold2132 All went well. Elected to place the machine on its side and pour hot water over the rolers while rotating them.
Its been good making my own sheets! Bee suppliers around here tend to make a 1:1 beewax:paraffin mixture which makes the mats rather brittle.
@@theEpicxY Glad to hear it all worked out for you. I’m not surprised that other waxes are mixed in to make the foundation. Beeswax is becoming a valuable commodity
If anyone need beeswax embossing machine or beekeeping tools, welcome to contact me.
You obviously don’t realise but ALL STAINLESS BEER BARRELS………..are and always remain the property of Carlton United Breweries if you cut them or sell them or damage them you will be charged with theft.
I have a very good friend that was charged with theft of one because he made a letterbox from one and received a very hefty fine through the courts.
You might want to change your boiling equipment as advertising on here is not good.
Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea. I purchased the kegs from metal recyclers many years ago. They had obviously been scrapped by the owners due to damage. From memory there was quite a few that were being recycled at the time.
nice set up, but dang it would have been nice if we could have heard what was going on.
And repeat a thousand times
Hygienic conditions are 0👎
Thanks for your reply. I am pleased that you raised that point. From your comment I assume that you don’t keep bees and have little knowledge of how a bee hive operates. Let me explain a few points. Wax by its very makeup is a clean and sterile material. When formed into sheets of foundation via heat, pasteurisation of the wax naturally occurs. You may notice that sheets are placed onto a concrete floor or onto a bench that contains dust, wood shavings etc. This is of no concern as any item placed into a beehive is meticulously cleaned by the bees. It is the natural way that they keep the hive sterile. Thanks again for your comment. I hope you have gained a bit more knowledge about this wonderful pastime.
Very tactful reply, Mr. Gold!
Sir where to buy wax on which site
I use my own wax
Do you clean the soap off?
Yes. All foundation is soaked in rainwater to clean off the soap. It is then allowed to dry