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Russia Vs Ukraine: A Historical Perspective
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
- In this podcast, Abhijit Iyer Mitra explains the Russia Vs Ukraine crisis from a Historical Perspective. What is the history of the two lands? Who are the native people of these two nations? What are their cultural differences and similarities? What are they fighting for and why does it matter?
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Time Stamps
00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:48 - Going back 1200 years in history
00:13:18 - population in pre industrial areas
00:17:31 - No Russian Blood in Russian Rulers
00:20:15 - Russia's movement to the west
00:24:35 - The Rise of Nationalism In Ukraine ,Demography and Identity
00:37:15 - The first Ukrainian State
00:48:20 - Electoral Attitudes
00:50:07 - Demography Shifts
00:55:24 - Maps are all politics
00:57:33 - Rise of Zelensky and Putin's Fears
01:05:30 - Nazism issue
01:09:00 - NATO and Serbia
01:11:03 - Putin's wanted to join NATO
01:13:10 - Jeffrey Sachs, Andrei Zlate and The Economy
01:20:14 - Putin's point of view
01:23:14 - Russia's is idea driven not ethno centric
01:27:20 - The Czars of Russia
01:34:28 - Syria Intervention and Crimea
01:37:45 - QnA
01:43:15 - West Ignoring Nazism
01:45:01 - An illegal Invasion
01:46:09 - The Last Straw for Putin
01:52:30 - India's Role
01:58:21 - Russian Brain Drain and Russia after Putin
Man I can't articulate why, but i feel like I can listen to Abhijit talk about the most boring topics in the world and it'll still be my highlight of the day.
I always love his lecture like talks! Do more with history and anthropology with Abhijit
These are the kind of discussions where AIM is in the zone. Appreciate all the reading and research that would have gone into this, thank you sir.
Superb analysis. Extremely informative and an erudite discussion. The final icing was the National Anthem of the erstwhile Soviet Union sung by Abhijeet.
श्री श्री अभीजित रेकताम आईयर मित्रा जी के द्वारा प्रदान कि गई इस रूस और इउक्रेन कि सबंध के अभूतपूर्व व्याख्या से मेरे शुक्राणु स्राव हो गए अति आनंदमय अनुभूति के साथ 😊
हाहाह।
रक्तस्त्राव तो आरंभ नहीं हुआ?
@@MrSoothsayer कामदेवः की आशीर्वाद से नहीं 😊
@@CockySuSMounted सुषठु।
पुनः मिलेंगे।
Спасибо Вам большой Профессор Айар-Митра, и очень важные вопросы по Господин Мехра
Like always, AIM means a lot of things to know and learn.😎
The industry-farming divide is something that is happening to modern day punjab. Where U.P. the backward state is leapfrogging whereas punjab is happy being an agrarian society and slowly deindustralising itself.
True it is killing punjab slowly, slowly going towards desertification
@@kalashsharma4344Matlab?
@@TheBakuganmaster99 their agriculture has had been so intensive that their soil is losing quality and even their groundwater has depleted way too much in future punjab will become a desert if it moves away from industries like this and keeps pressing for agriculture without future planning
@@kalashsharma4344 Lmao, they deserve it after the farmers protests.
The amount of Info in this podcast is unbelievable. Very Enlightening.
Abhijeet singing Soviet anthem is the highlight of this podcast 😀
Ofcourse along with the ton of info he dropped.
Great teacher.Thankyou for this. Good that there was no Banters.Listening to banters is really harrowing(you may not appreciate--you can have Banters on the 'home stage',but when you come on the 'World stage' then you have to have certain Neutraliaty to emotions.It is cultural and the 'Home Stage' culture is not apprectiated in the 'world-stage',so please kindly remember this).
Your presentation is so good that I need to listen to this several times. Could you add reference to primary sources too.
Wowww unbelievable !!! I can't believe videos and information like this is actually free.
Amazing, informative, interesting !
Keep doing such episodes
PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEALTH ABHIJEET.
STOP SMOKING , LOSSE WEIGHT.
GET YOUR BLOOD WORK DONE.
FOR FUCKS SAKE STOP ABUSING YOUR BODY.
Absolutely informative !! .... Simply awesome ... One of the best shows I have watched ..
We should have more of these history sessions on various other parts of the world ....
Well done guys !! ....
Crazyly amazing. Thanks AIM. Love you son!
@1:15:21 “Mujhe kuch pata nahin bhai. Google karle”. That’s so endearing. 😀😀
Thanks for providing this perspective of the conflict. Yet another detailed, and amazing podcast. Kudos, Abhijit, and Kushal! 👍
Thank you very much.
Lot of hitherto unknown information to ingest & ponder over.
Special thanks to AIM for sharing with us all. And making me take a fresh look at Russia. And Kushal Mehra for asking the right questions.
Just as Abhijit asked us to stand up for Nehru we all owe special thanks to communist Harkishen Singh Surjeet. It was this Punjabi who vehemently shot down the very idea of communist tyrant jyoti basu becoming PM of India. Even bjp was willing to endorse j.basu.
First commentary got it 100% correct, excellent
The amount of information and analysis is astounding and still some people say Abhijit chavda is much better than AIM.
Why do we need to compare ?
We have learn from everyone
Abhijit Chavda has superficial knowledge he listens from other people and tells something which is the only solid part. Other than that he if he tries to give his opinion you will know it's low-logic level bullcrap. He should stick to physics imo
@@Ismail-hx4qj aayee jihadi... Nikal re tu .foot
oh bsdk Read his past comments on this channel.. if you have so much love for Islamists c_cks then suck it in private ... don't defend your lovers out in open. It only exposes your homosexual affinity towards Islamists.
@@pks2552rone laga? Janta to Tu mujhe v nhi .. lekin aukaat wali baat Karega to gaan to farunga hi naa..
Dimag khole diya
AIM is fantastic. Great podcast
1:43:30 The moment when Kushal finally gets redpilled about the west.
Very informative video. You guys always have interesting and thought provoking discussions. Keep up the good work and hope your podcast scales new heights.
Take a bow Abhijeet🙇♂️ … Amazing info. I might not agree with your opinions all the time but I do value the logic behind them.
It’s high time Indian government should put him on some group-political or policy making stuff. He has a lot to contribute.
Excellent video, I have subbed to the channel and placed it on my play list.
Thankyou
To me it seems that Western hatred for Russians is greater than that of Pakistanis for Indians.
Yep. Kids get radicalized at school.
ruclips.net/video/wQvcv-HjBog/видео.html
I don't think average Pakistani hates Indians tho. It's mostly the state boiling hate for each other
The western hate for Russians and racism towards them runs so deep. Mind you most of the people in the west supported the Nazis because of their "White power" thing and also as a force against communism/USSR in Europe. Only when the Germany starting aggressing towards them were they forced to take the USSR's support. Their hate for russians didn't even wither when they defeated Germany for them. After the fall of Berlin, the Red army indulged in mass r*pe of Berlin which was seen as a big blow in western psyche. Barbarians r*ping civilised European cities. We are seeing the remnants of same racism in the commentary of Russia Ukraine war. Racism never ends. It gets hidden under wraps. Simmering under the surface. Only to come out in uncontrolled and horrible forms.
@@Burner__ well are you russian
or Indian
@@raghavnamasivayam5098 Indian
1:15:38 exactly, recently he wrote another piece where he said that India should invest in humans (pointing out for services) than chip building (industries), while it is true that human investment is what made Japan, Germany and Britan rise up after the devastation of wars, the investment was done through the process of industrialization, not investing in extremely high skilled service sector jobs. If people so well trained have no oppurtunities in India due to the lack of industries why would they even stay here, they would ofcourse leave for USA or West, like Raghuram Rajan for better oppurtunities. The labourer in Bihar bears the educational and training expenses of these people through his taxes, only for these people to leave India and that's the sad part.
I don't blame people who leave India for better oppurtunities, but industrialization and developing skills of Indians in those areas are definitely more important than creating a highly skilled service sector oriented human skill. The latter is extremely costly yet extremely risky due to lack of oppurtunities.
Yes you need to let it happen naturally, industrialize first, make trinkets, you will eventually evolve into chip making. It's all a pipe dream anyway, I'm anticipating a US China Pak Nexus. Russia will be too weak to help us of course, and we will be too useless for the US/ West to save us. We are truly screwed. I am changing my name to either Sammy or Neil and moving to the west, if you can't beat em join em.
One of the best podcast.
Abhijit ruined the Soviet anthem. I'll have to listen it in loop for the next 8 hours to get his voice out of my head.
Treat to listen to. Rivetting' factual 'precise. Keep up the good work the both of you.
A great session. Thank you!
Do more of these Lecture like Podcasts
It would be helpful to provide a list of sources that Iyer has based his talk on.
This was awesome….
Waiting for a stream where u guys talk about whats the current scenario is like
Please take care of your health Abhijeet
Nice one abhijit
research efforts by A.I.M is deserving respect.great presentation😊👌
why these 2 decided not to have children ? bacche paida karo we need more AIMs and kushals.
Why Kushal does nt have child
00:51:07
I am always happy to see people who take the time to research matters.
We are were we are today because others in the past brought us here, the now that we are living is the moment that we have the chance at the rudder.
As fellow cybernauts (in reference the the Greek word kybernetikos and those who preform it) may we take that responsibility seriously.
those who live on the land are to be considered to have the greatest rights, no centralised distant leader has the right to force them tom suffer under their yoke, The People of the Donbass have been forgotten by the west in it's desired to continue the Grand chess game, in order for as Brzezinski repeatedly stated "the United States, as the sole and, indeed, the first truly global power" remain at the top of the game pulling all the strings.
Please make such video on hindu colonies in South East Asia
This is a tour de force of a lecture.
Do you play Valorant !?
Hearing Abhijit singing their anthem, they might attack us next
Long awaited ! .. 👍💐
kushal bro do podcast on great game between russia and britain in indian subcontinent with AIM
thank you
all wishes
Wow this one was very informative. Liking this video👍
Thanks!
Very through analysis. Let have the next discussion over a good round of Bourbon
क्या कोई मित्र विचार - विमर्श की व्याख्या कर सकता है?
समय पर आने में विलंब हो गया था।
धन्यवादः
ये मेरा सौभाग्य है इस विडियो कि विचार विमर्श कि व्याख्या करने का मौका मिलना,इसलिए श्रद्धापुर्ण धन्यवाद,अब व्याख्या सुन भोसरिके :
इस विडियो में श्री श्री अभीजीत रेकताम आइयर जी ने बहुत सूक्ष्म रूप में रूस ओर इऊक्रेन की आठ सौ साल पहले से लेकर वर्तमान समय तक की भौगोलिक इतिहास और उसके अदंर घटित राजनैतिक विभाजन और सामाजिक परिवर्तन के बारे मे ज्ञान चोदा है। सबसे महत्वपूर्ण जानकारी जो इस विडियो मे आईयर जी ने बताया है वो है जैविक और शारिरीक विशेषताओं के बारे में। हमे जानने को मिलता है की दोनो देशो को योनक्रिया की जैविक क्षमता अभूतपूर्व है। उनका औसत पर काल इस आनंद दायी क्रिया में उनहत्तर सेकेदंस है। साथ में हमें ये जानने को मिलता है की उनका नितबं का आकार और गठन समय कि प्रगति के साथ आकर्षित रुप में परिवर्तित हो रहा है।
तो यही है जो है,अब प्रस्थान की आज्ञा दीजिए 🖖
@@CockySuSMounted हाहाह।
यह व्याख्या आज तक की सबसे शुद्ध है।
धन्यवाद
@@MrSoothsayer तथास्तु बालक ✋
@@CockySuSMounted अहम् नैव बालक।
अहम् पुरुष असमि।
मिलकर सह त्वं प्रसन्नता हुई।
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@@MrSoothsayer धन्यवाद ओर निष्ठापुर्ण आशा रखते हैं पुण : मिलन कि।
Excellent Podcast!!
Gonna be honest, iv listened to many many internet related folks, Abhijit is pretty damm through. As with all things it's quite complex!
this was brilliant.
Wow great work
Please make a video on Sri Lanka’s integrated country strategy
Much Appreciate the Shoutout to Mark Felton Productions!
Sir, I write to you regarding what has been happening with ‘The Kashmir files’ review on IMDB and google. I have been following the IMDB ratings of this movie right from its release date. The movie has been continuously rated 10 very gradually and with natural progression. Right now is 12 am Monday March 14 IST. Realizing that most people in India have slept by now, the IMDB website has changed the rating system altogether and deviced an alternative system to drastically lower the overall ratings. This is done citing ‘unusual’ rating activity. I highly doubt this is done to reduce the legitimacy of the facts presented in the movie. If this persists by tomorrow, I think we should voice against this.
Not that this is related to this discussion by any means, but no one is looking at IMDb for opinion about Kashmir Files. Yes, the hypocrisy absolutely needs to be highlighted, but IMDb is irrelevant for a majority of Indian viewers, or even viewers abroad
Abhijit ka gaana sun ke mere gali mai 3 billi log ne suicide kar liya... 😭
Hi Kushal. Thank you for a wonderful show and thank you AIM for your candour and humour. Next time if possible please elaborate on the list of morons who lead to the selling of Alaska to America. Did the acquisition of Alaska hurt Russia more than the IMF suggestion to become a service based economy and the expansion of both the EU and NATO combined ? I think it did because I think Alaska is our Kashmir and for Russia it became a hybrid of Kosovo & Palestine . But I want AIM’s perspective on this.
Q2: did you guys see the flip flop on GOF labs in Ukraine and now it’s not a conspiracy theory anymore. WHO and DOD destroyed the pathogens before the invasion, so while I condemn war did Putin single-handedly stop plandemic 2.0? @carvakapodcast
Sham Sharma ke bina sab serious rehta hai. When he comes , it makes up a perfect trio.
wonderful
A good overall description with charts on the political issues that plagued Ukraine since the independence from USSR, though the coloring in some maps were different for the East and West that could be confusing.
Another change that is significant is that Ukraine esp Kiev is one of the software centers in Europe. A lot of US and EU companies have their IT development and support centers around Kiev. In my current place of work, we had had many owners as we have gone through multiple mergers, acquisitions and divestures (3 over the last 10 years). All the 3 companies had some kind of software centers in Kiev. Think like Bengaluru. Similarly due to cheap labor and relatively skilled people, a lot of BPOs also in European region are located in UKR around Kiev.
Why is the above important? These IT and tech savvy crowd definitely identify themselves as European as that is where their future lies. Not towards Russia.
An IT person is more susceptible to wokeism and continue to consider the industrial supporting region as relatively backward and more extractive and polluting and have an affinity towards "farming" people as in "environment and organic".
While the mid west states of Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Western PA were heavily industrialized, with NAFTA and later China they became less important and went down and down to be noted as the "Rust Belt". A New Yorker, Silicon Valley-ite will refer to the Rust Belt with equal scorn as a hilly-billy farmer.
Agriculture is pre 17th century
Industry is 17th-20th century
IT and Knowledge economy is 21st century
Also keep in mind that Victor Yanukovych, though deriving his strength from the Russian predominant east, actually skillfully played EU and Russia to get the "best deal" for Ukraine. Infact one of the persons advising VY to move closer to EU was the now infamous Paul Manafort who was also advising Trump. But somehow PM was a Russian spy implanted by Russian intelligence to co-opt Trump while he was actually guiding VK to move away from Russia ;-)
At that time EURO was in a huge crisis with PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain) issue and lot of rumblings in the EU on the fourth Reich of Germany being so powerful and economically dictating terms to other countries and forcing PIIGS to fall into the banker's suggestions. Now while the Eastern UKR is industrialized, the standards obviously would not be to the level of Europe, which means EU can easily for example brandish an environment clause and declare that not a single product from Eastern UKR can be sold in the greater EU due to not meeting EU standard and compliance and economically bankrupt the east and will be folded into Europe. Further EU will decide who they can trade with and what tariffs to impose and hence they can even block the trade with Russia.
So VK actually played Putin skillfully as well as EU like to quote AIM how Myanmar plays China, but when push came to shove, Putin was able to guarantee 15B EUR to UKR while EU could not (as it will cause internal fissures as to how the PIIGS was handled) and won him over. So he chose RUS over EU leading to the Maidan protests following which despite the agreements signed by France, Germany Russia and UKR in Minsk(1), a coup was done against VK who was overthrown and US appointed Yatsenyuk to the Presidency.
OUR anthem at the last :)
Your anthem?
Our
@@joyotisen You didn't get the joke right? When USSR anthem plays your money becomes OUR money. So it's our anthem.😀
Because of Brest agreement Lenin got almost killed
Go watch The Kashmir Files Brothers.
Will definitely go 🤞🏻
I hate Hindu victimhood mentality. What's the difference between you and woke leftists? Both claim mantel to eternal victimhood. Stop it.
@@johnnymonoxide9220 We Hindus must not and will not forget the atrocities the peaceful community inflicted on us.
@@joyotisen Willingly imprisoning yourself by said historical atrocities is a testament of a people without vision. It's precisely why India will never be a superpower. What a contrast to India under the Mughals.
@@johnnymonoxide9220 you have a jihadi mindset- imagine supporting those brutal invaders who tried their best to ruin my santan dharma, You are toxic.
Kindly provide ur review on the kashmir files movie!!!!
Jai ma russiai, (russian national anthem in the end)
Russia today has been blocked in YT as well as Indian TV. wtf !!!
#ISupportRussia
I usually enjoy podcast as it is. However in this particular one comment was made comparing to india. how shamanic religions were digested and by vedic. By saying this the podcastors have confirmed the aryan invasion theory which is has been debunked. Any comments??
This has nothing to do with AIT. The Vedic culture started in Haryana within the Puru clan and spread all over India. It integrated all regional cultures into the Vedic framework.
..... Each n every member has to not only go n watch the kashmir files in theatres but also rate it as 10/10 on google n IMDb so that it grabs eyeballs globally!!!
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Magyar is pronounced majar
Madiar in a fact, not majar
AIM for Russia Foreign Minister
Abhijit, It's a request to u to not say these words.
1. Bimaru States
2. Community stocks(Indo-Aryan, Dravidian etc.)
That's racist and derogatory...
You have to live in the bimaru states to realise how bimaru they are they deserve it. Bimaru Is reality
Also Indo Aryan, Dravidian Is terms to describe south North language wise I think he isn't meaning it AIT wise,
Truth is truth whether it's racist if you have to call a shit hole a shit hole.
1:53:37 started smoking aim😹😹
Please provide source. To me it appears someone has seen a lot of documentaries and then give his opinion based on what he thinks is right.
Just noticed a website could be better than copy pasting on word
Absolute crap do you claim to be a historian?
Bhosdike 100 200 saal ki koi aukat hoti hai.
I thought u were involved with somewhat to do with defence
Bade bhai dimag to lagaya magar kuch to intoxication hai
Like other Southerners who love to show there pride, you're also one of them. Yes u Abhijit U are like them....... Tone down yourself...
1:11:03 Putin had many bon homie moments with bush
You should remove these silly diacritics from your channel name, the channel doesn't come up in RUclips search.
I can see u arn't quite a smoker..so drop down this jhon abrahm complex abhijeet before u really get addicted like we became in clg.
Take my words mate..it will be almost impossible to quit once u get addicted and the time comes when u accidentally wake up in night for natural calls..u ll need it so badly that u ll light up the remaining buds if it isn't available somehow 🙄
Kushal is tubelight.
quick correction. A lot of eastern Ukraine is Russian SPEAKING, but most people in the east still consider themselves ethnic Ukrainians. Now the Donbass region might have a plurality of actual ethnic Russians , but the rest of the east is majority Ukranian for sure.
Wtf.😂
Look at the energy now vs then 😂
जैसे अकलेश यादव लखीमपुर फाइल्स बनने के लिए बोल रहा है वैसे ही अयोध्या मे कारसेवकों की हत्या पर फाइल्स बनाने के लिए बोलना ही चाहिए।
Bhai kushal kuch problems hai kiya bhai ya majak kar reha hai Tera baccha hai ki nahi hame aur kushal jr chiye
Man ….. AIM is way way way smarter than he lets you know !! He is a walking con job ;-)
Sino Soviet split ended up strengthening China because the US embraced them in 1972. That is the main reason behind the rise of China. So how is that great for India? India shares borders with China, not Russia. Before you give a standing ovation to Nehru, answer this. And how do you know what played on Mao's mind and credit Nehru for it? Mao was sliding away from Stalin's influence already, as mentioned in several biographies, including Jason Chung's.
Cossack = Kazakh = Borat Sagdiyev
Cossack != Kazakh
Kazak, not Kazakh 😂
I am Indian Sunni Muslim and we Indians should support Ukraine.
Why, is the question. Religion is not the question. Why should we support Ukraine?
@@patmclaughlin107 because they are being cruelly victimized by the illegal Russian invasion and war crimes
@@AbdulKhader-786 I think everyone is supporting the Ukrainian people. Nobody is supporting Russian military attacks on the Ukrainian civilians.
That said, if you watched this podcast, AIM spoke in detail about all the atrocities that the Ukrainian military and militia committed against the Russian people in that country.
That is where “supporting Ukraine” becomes a slippery slope. What are we supporting there?
@@patmclaughlin107 We should definitely support the Ukrainian State's right to defend itself against the illegal invasion and occupation. Ukraine's internal and domestic issues did not justify Putin's invasion. Anyways, whether we vocally support Ukraine or not the people of Ukraine will certainly resist Russia and Russia will be humiliated. History will judge Russia harshly, we (India) should be on the right side of history
@@AbdulKhader-786there is no right side of the history
Stop smoking Abhijit
I believe Abhijit is getting oaid by the Russians to preach a more biased view in their favour. I'd like to see him argue the same thing with someone like Peter zeihan and see him get demolished . No one seems to call out the stupid pro Russia claims made by Abhijit and it's mainly desi hosts who do that
So can you tell me what are your claims against him? If you are claiming his content to be pro russia bullshit then can you tell what is the propaganda here?
Zeihan is literally the American equivalent of AIM.
Watch either for the entertainment value. Not objectivity.
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