Nasser, Athers and Morgan discuss impact of Ben Stokes injury 🤕
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Sky Sports Cricket's Michael Atherton, Nasser Hussain and Eoin Morgan react to the news that Ben Stokes will miss the remaining of the English cricket summer with a hamstring injury.
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The hundred taking up the peak of the English summer is criminal
Couldn't agree more
Yes, and the sad thing about it, the quality isn't that good. Short boundaries, wrong shots. I feel for young batters (if I can't call them batsmen anymore with the growth of the ladies' game) who have to play these fancy shots so early in their careers instead of experience in the middle playing balls on merit. These hundred teams allow three overseas players. Two of them bowl and often two bat in the first four. Where are the England players of the future ?
"I am so hyped for the hundred" - No one ever
@@Jack-i9z to be fair it has created new fans I guess, it’s a cheap day out for the family. But they’ve alienated their core fanbase. A lot of fans tolerate t20, why would they create a whole new format in an already saturated market.
Unfortunately England was shamed into liking this by the authorities. The racism inquiry into English cricket said criticism of the Hundred was correlated to the supposed bigotry. Possibly a reflection of broader modern English sentiments also.
Would Stokes have gotten injured like that if England were playing Tests rather than making way for the Hundred?
Maybe.
Would it be easier to accept if he got injured in a Test match rather than a meaningless franchise tournament?
Definitely.
Ben stokes is injured now England can win test series easily
Hundred is poison
Athers is right ! Let’s get rid of the “ hundred “
Yes!
Exactly - nevermind the riots, Starmer should be addresses the crisis everyone is talking about THE HUNDRED
Why to get rid of hundred format. First thing stokes is injury prone and why was he playing hundred format being important member and captain of test team. There is test series is on corner with Sri lanka
As an Indian, I certainly feel that franchise cricket has compromised with the quality of cricket....especially test cricket. Just 12-13 years ago, every team had atleast 1-2 genuine fast bowlers and they usually played almost the entire season. If they were injured, there were 1 or 2 waiting in the domestic circles to replace them.
Secondly, leagues like IPL have certainly brought the money in cricket but as Athers said, there's no regulation. I mean for God's sake, allot a time slot for these leagues out of entire year, let's say january to march. And pressurise BCCI to let Indian players also play in other leagues. Also, change t20 world cup from every 2 years to every 4 years and don't allow any league in that year. Otherwise it feels like a repeat of same t20 format 4-5 months an year. It becomes quite boring.
FYI Pat cummins doesn't play BBL, which happens during test season. Something to do with workload management, whatever that means.
In fact most of the Australian test squad players don’t, the most that’ll happen isn’t them to play one or two games in between test matches
@@danielm173aussie style, which means no style.
Not one of these weaklings will say get rid of the hundred, as they sit there lining their pockets with its money. Utter hypocrisy
They’re literally getting paid to commentate on the hundred, so they can’t say the obvious……
That said, however, the hundred is such a driver, in England, of the women’s game, it seems unlikely that they would drop it, as would it be as popular without the men’s game tagged on?
Athers and Nasser are clearly saying it between the lines.
Born in England in the early 70s in Newham with Trinidad parents. My dad got me watching cricket in the late 80s early 90s. Started watching when Gooch and Athers was opening for ENG. Watched a lot of cricket from roughly 1995-2005 when my parents had sky sports and only just got back into it, in the last 3 months and cant get enough of test cricket... Wow cricket has changed a lot... Batting is on a next level and not so much for the bowling.. I thinks... Love the Athers and Nasser podcast...
My first memories of cricket was Malcom Marshal, Ambrose and Walsh against Athers and Gooch. What usually happened if those two got out you would see a major batting collapse. Good Times... peaceful times. I've recently seen videos of Marshall in his pomp. He was bloody quick.
They didn't even mention England's winter schedule in the discussion. The amount of games and travel is ridiculous.
Reality check guys: The Blast and The Hundred are the problem. All about money; not about cricket and, in the case of The Hundred, not actually cricket at all. The administrators need to grow up and stop being so money greedy. Bin The Hundred now - it's total nonsense and completely unnecessary.
Nasser makes a good point on scheduling.why ar'nt these guys part of a committee running the game?
because the greedy political people wouldn't want to be told that they are running it wrong
Injured in a pointless Micky Mouse tournament.
As much as you don't want to hear it, the hundred has brought a lot of new people to the game and is measurably growing the sport in the UK. I watch all formats obviously, but I have to say there have been some bloody entertaining hundred games. If you're going to drop a format, I'd drop the blast and figure out what to do with county cricket, county is something that even I struggle to watch sometimes.
Calling it a micky mouse tournament is just ignorant. It's worth £0.5Bn as it stands. That's money worth having if you want to grow the game at grass roots level which unlike most sports is where that revenue will actually go.
The 'point' of any match is pretty subjective. Is a bilateral test series full of meaning?
@matt-lo8ut
Test match cricket is the greatest form and the pinnacle for all players. 20/20 and The Hundred don't do anything for me. Each to their own I guess
@@matt-lo8ut Just replace it with Blast
Nasser nailed it
Big up Nasser for calling out the cricket administrators and media companies for The Hundred. If Archer was pulled out then Stokes - considering he had started bowling in the WI series - to take a breather. But on the wider points, if Buttler is asking international cricket to be stopped for the IPL then that does say everything about the markets running riot
International cricket does now stop because of the IPL. Kevin Pietersen talked about it 10 years ago. With money talking players will simply turn their back on international cricket if that is an option. Alex Hales, Faf Du Plessis, etc.
@@RBenjo21 erm it didn't when Buttler came back to play international cricket this year
@@Takerfanatic That was an exception because there was a need to get England warming up before the WT20 started.
5.50 in. Morgs explaining a reason why we're not replacing Stokes. That it takes 4 hours in Australia to fly from coast to coast if you're called up but only 3-4 hours to drive if you're in the UK. 😂
😂 spot on……
He means that in Australia it takes 4 hours by plane, but in the UK you can arrive in 4 hours even if you are driving.
@@madihaahmed8533 erm so it takes the same time, that's my point
^ As the above person said it takes a maximum of 4 hours and very likely to be shorter, but in Australia it is 4 hours minimum and likely to be even longer waiting for the right plane, travelling to the airport. It's very different to get a player to travel within the UK compared to within Australia
Too much of punditry... Bringing in brainless chatter
Nasser hit the nail on the head. We do play too much cricket in England but equally there is no way to keep everyone happy.
Abolish the Hundred, revitalise and remarket the Blast, and that will solve a lot of issues.
Nice to not have Dinesh Karthik butt in to ECB affairs for a change
hahah yeah can't stand that moron.
Test Match, IPL, County Cricket, Local Saturday cricket on RUclips, that's the order for me, and I'm a cricket lover
The Hundred has done absolute wonders for the women’s game. It has been detrimental at best to the schedule in men’s cricket. It needs to go, but with that comes a potentially devastating blow to the development of English women’s cricket sadly.
Quite right I think the hype has finished now. My son is a teenager, and none of his peers are talking about the hundred competition. Nasser is spot on the best players in the world are not coming to the hundred.
Like they said, the women's game is still five years behind. If you bin off the Hundred, you can add another five years. There are no winners here.
Scrap the 16.4 vanity project it’s wrecked the one enjoyable cricketing summer havnt watch any cricket for about 3 weeks !
Get rid of it
Ben Stokes should have been nowhere near The Hundred, but that's on the ECB. He's England's most important player, they shouldn't have let him play in the tournament to avoid any risk of injury. They wanted him, and other England players, in The Hundred to raise interest in what they hope will make them a lot of money though.
Sport reflects the society it is played in...
Been watching cricket since the late 80s. 3 of my fav captains..
The last decent English captain was Ted Dexter
This is nonsense..Stokes has played this season in 3 tests,3 county championship 3 hundred games. And Bowled a total of 143 overs and batted in 13 innings.
To even suggest he has a heavy work load is utterly ridiculous.
Finally some sense. Stokes has simply picked up a freak injury running a single very early in his innings. I’d have accepted this “too much cricket” reasoning if he’d got injured at last year’s World Cup.
Nass makes a great point about pitches and the female play their games on these same wickets . How long can that last
Solution= Get rid of the Baldt, give every County a Hundred team (may dilute quality but the Blast has to go).
The ECB should give more central contracts (30 or so) so they can control when players play if they are at all in contention for England. White ball players should be given a lot of franchise cricket and red ball players should play 7 or 8 county games, with half or so of the Hundred. All format players should be heavily controlled and miss out on internationals every now and then.
Whether fans like it or not it is the Indian market that has taken over control of cricket and that is not going to change. Given the love of Test Cricket in India England and Australia (maybe South Africa to) I don't see Test cricket dying out. I do see domestic one day games coming under threat. The 50 over game worldwide could easily just disappear. The new "audience" today is being brought up on short format cricket not sure they will continue to be interested in longer formats of the game even 50 overs.
If the ECB marketed the Blast better there would be no need for the Hundred!
If Ben Stokes had got injured playing the One Day Cup at Canterbury on Sunday for Durham, then it wouldn't be any less painful, but it might have been more acceptable for England fans because it happened there. The point is, it happened in the Hundred, just giving its haters even more of a reason to hate it.
Nasser class ❤
12:05....."my big concern right from the start of the IPL in 2008 was that if you only let the market DICTATE the game and you don't regulate the market than there's trouble." Rest in peace my ancestors!!
Good time to train Eng to play Bazball without Stokes too. Cant have stokes forever. Onto Pope to play Bazball his way! Im excited. New players, same mantra.
Why take a piss at IPL? India is managing its players better than anybody else. They don't allow there players to play any other leagues. IPL is a quality tournament and players wants to compete with the best.
Don't cry
BCCI has more money than these other cricket boards. Players can't bankroll themselves like Indian players can without the IPL.
Ind players don't need to play foreign league, they can't afford them Like Maxwell said about Sky couple of years ago
Possible xi for first test vs srilanka:
1.Lawrence
2.Duckett
3.Pope(c)
4.Root
5.Brook
6.J Smith(wk)
7.Woakes
8.M Potts
9.Atkinson
10.Bashir
11.Wood
Bairstow & Crawley are they injured?
Jonny Bairstow? Lol he's history now.
batting is soo undercooked. Root s wicket is the too important...
@@mattayres5147 crawley got injured
Very long Tail, they should’ve called up Sam Curran bat 7
I can't figure out as to why Chris Woakes was pulled out of the hundred by ECB to manage his workload ahead of the Test Series against Sri Lanka but not Ben Stokes and other senior cricketers. If this had taken place, I'm sure we would have seen Ben Stokes in the test series as well as the remaining fixtures of the summer.
Also, what is the purpose of the hundred? Is it just a strategy by ECB to commercialize cricket instead of preserving it?
I think Athers is right. The game needs balance in fixture terms and appropriate regulation to ensure that happens. However.. The ECB are not the only controlling factor. India in particular are the key influencer, so much so that there are no Indian/IPL players in this years Hundred. They have established the IPL as their crown jewel and it is massively successful. My question is why do we need the T20 Blast AND the Hundred? Surely we could create one tournament which satisfies that piece of the cake, bringing along the Womens game, satisfying customer demand and as a result creating space in the fixture schedule. The reason is obviously money and The Hundred is seen to be magic money tree. The cricket authorities need to get a grip, but as Athers says, has it all gone too far now to pull back.
The problem with the blast (and I’ve been beating this drum for years now) is that the quality is too diluted.
With 18 teams to choose from in the uk you don’t have star studded line ups and as a result the interest from younger audiences isn’t there.
I’ve watched both Blast and Hundred games this year and there is a distinct difference in the crowds attending those matches.
Having said that, the men’s hundred is simply losing that allure because so many top players aren’t taking part for whatever reason. The women’s game is far more engaging for the reasons Nas pointed out.
I’m not sure what the answer is - most people love to praise the free market when it offers choice and creates opportunities, but when it threatens to displace something we all care about (red ball cricket) the same people can’t then all be up in arms about deregulation.
Unless strict regulations come into the game (which won’t happen due to the constant drive for investment) then we’ll continue to see further dilution and a move away from the longer market.
With Ben Stokes back bowling, the side had a really nice balance to it. Jamie Smith could move to 6 and Chris Woakes to 7 with an extra seamer coming in, but it makes the tail a bit too long.
They should have brought back Sam Curran, he's the only one who can balance the side without Ben Stokes or Moeen Ali who's done in this format.
@christianfrost8660 Agree, can't think of too many more who could do that role at the moment. We would be effectively swapping Smith's batting for Curran's at 7 though which would make the line up a bit weaker.
@@tomd2103 True, but anyone else would either further weaken the batting strength by having Woakes at No.7 and a bowler at No.8 or in the other direction placing Jordan Cox at No.6, would greately weaken the bowling by going back to only three pace bowlers.
Sam Curran may not be a strong a batter as Ben Stokes but he is the only genuine All-rounder England have that can hold the balance of eight batsman and five specialist bowlers. The only other way England can keep that balance is to drop Shoaib Bashir and say that Dan Lawrence is the specialist Spinner, which I'm not sure he's ready for.
@christianfrost8660 Yep, agree with all of that and it just goes to show just how the injury to Stokes will upset the balance of the side. I agree that they probably should have looked at bringing Sam Curran in to bat at 7, but it will be interesting to see what they end up doing.
Maybe in English conditions, they will pick four seamers and have Lawrence and Root as spin options.
@@tomd2103 Maybe they will, but after they failed to recall Curran, I'm not sure I credit the selectors with enough intelligence to think of dropping Bashir.
Tbh not selecting Curran now tells me that this management has no intention of ever recalling him and that is a sad and stupid thing.
As Jarrod kimber said "actually noboady runs cricket" is a damn true
Really exceptional discussion
Nothing new, he is always injured every now and then!!
Should have test cricket and x1 limited overs format in domestic cricket.
There has always been too much cricket. This is not a new phenomenon in men's cricket. We used to have the JPL, Benson and Hedges, Gillette Cup/Nat West and County Championship in and around Test Cricket. People must NOT forget that.
Better chat than hundred cricket
Thank god he was not injured in the IPL... Love from India🥰
I use to wake up at 5.00 in the morning before school to watch an India test match with Sehwag, Tendulkar, David and Yuvraj playing. Now I'm not so sure
Wise words from Athers
The hundred is fun watching but it should not take priority from test matches in the summer months
I suppose we have to move with the times but what are the times doing to the long term future of the game ? Markets are dominated by make a quick buck mentalities. When our English summer used to be three ODIs and five test matches, they were something to look forward to and the counties got their turns in the limelight.
Did Stokes do any essential warm ups, stretching, etc etc, before the game?? Many if this type of injury is as a result of inadequate prep before the game.
Criminal that Potts isn’t getting picked to start
Totally understand counties need investment however when will they understand we can’t have both the blast and the hundred. One needs to go and I for one think the blast is a better tournament for the men.
In north Yorkshire phone boxes are often used in villages as libraries evening all.
Yes. That’s exactly case all over the UK.
A hamstring injury could have happened any time, just bad luck. That said, England seem to be much less effective at preventing injuries than some other nations like Oz. Problem now is whether they have the depth of players to fill that Allrounder slot
Ben Stokes never played in the blast for Durham this year
The only counter is none of the modern players are close to breaking Appearance no. records or most runs or most wickets. If they were playing so many matches wouldn't these records be threatened?
Surely we have a decent all rounder in the circuit that's deserving of a call up?
No Stokes' no cricket, everyone don't watch till he gets back fit 😂😂😂
My observation is that players who takes long breaks are more prone to injuries . Ben stokes always does this . How he is victim of more cricket i dont know as per naseer . He was not there in t20 WC not bowled that much in test series against india .
Ben Stokes will play The Hundred but won’t even comment when asked about his availability for the All Important Limited Overs Tour of Australia for 3 T20Is and 5 ODIs.
Is it fair to completely not play T20Is or ODIs and then be suddenly be back when the World Cup in that particular format in that particular year arrives and all of a sudden Ben Stokes is Back!
Pointless Tournament. We need our captain for test cricket. I hope Stokes makes a quick recovery.
IMHO - Marquee players especially once in a generation players like Bumrah, Stokes, Archer, Pandya, Shami etc. should only play in important international tournaments like ICC events, Ashes, Border-Gavaskar trophy etc. They are such skilled players with exceptional ability to win international tournaments hence they should preserve themselves and not play in inconsequential domestic leagues and get exposed to injuries.
Stokes? He can only play great knocks in England and okay knocks in Pakistan and rest he is useless except his brain. Come on you are better than this and could have said Root.
Are you on weed??? Archer pandya,shami, stokes once in a generation players😂😂😂 bro first and foremost none of them all format all are injury prone and pandya is irrelevant here bcz he plays 6 months and rest of the time he is injured.
Only bumrah due to its exceptional bowling skills can be called as once in a generation bcz his skills are not condition based.
@@vigneshram1293even root doesn't play white ball format so even he can't be included.
@@sumbdiStokes is a below average Bat outside Eng and Pak(Roads).Go to Cricinfo and check the stats. You have been brainwashed by English Media as you seen to be on high consuming illegal substances by the counter arguments you make. He is a burden in bat outside England in Red ball. Red ball format is the toughest format and Root is the only one who can perform great outside England. stokes captaincy is great and every team would fancy that but by being a one trick pony you cannot be even labelled as a great players. Make sensible arguments as it will help you on a long run
@@vigneshram1293 bhai where I have praised stokes in my comments??? And i do agree about ur views about stokes, root doesn't play white ball format so he can't be included in this category if it's only test cricket then root ll be heads and shoulders above others.
The hundred is pointless
Test Cricket will always be the pinnacle, he now misses the Sri Lanka series cos of this nonsense, what a shambles.
Unfortunatley Stoksey is injury prone. Hammys and Calfs are 'old man' injuries. Will be an ongoing issue im afraid.
It’s not just about ‘too much cricket’, it’s about pointless cricket. Let’s be honest the hundred just isn’t a very high standard of cricket. I know they’re stuck with it for years to come but long term it’s unsustainable. It’s not like the IPL it’s more like the Canadian t20 league. So silly to cancel your summer for this.
I think root and stokes should retire from Whiteball cricket to prolong their red ball career just look at what it did for Anderson and Broad were barely injured
Is ollie pope ready for captaincy.........he is a rhythm player. Hope his captaincy not like that.
Solution: Sam Curran. Skipper? Pope - not a leader. Barely worthy of place in squad based on lack of consistency.
Tbh Sam Curran would make a better captain than Ollie Pope without considering that he rebalances the size. ECB have dropped the ball twice in one series, before the series has even begun.
I really don't feel like to follow the Hundred format from my perspective, I can't really remember the team names and the 10 ball over, MLC and SA20 were easier to follow, BBL is useless even though I know the teams.
Won’t be missed against Sri Lanka, will be in the Ashes
OH MAN.😒.
Any other sport would be properly regulated to stop these tournaments just popping out of nowhere. It's all very well saying "get rid of the Hundred" when the England captain gets injured.
Test cricket is doing great.. only thing is in india ppl prefer to watch it at home and not in stadiums in tge heat
Honestly, there is too much cricket for fans. I don't even know who plays whom and who plays what format.
Ben wouldn’t even dare faking an injury.
Would love if srilanka can somehow win the series & repeat the results of their series win in SA in 2019 ... always support any team that plays against Eng......
You must be a proud Scot 😁
Except Pak
Migrants Own Country won't be short of any new talent 😂😂
The hundred is awful. Should have just had a T20 franchise tournament.
And yes the sheer amount of cricket is negativity affecting the National game and too many batsmen are unable to build a steady innings because of all the crazy one day shots they're playing week in week out...
Fun fact erom Morgan is married to an Aussie girl who Hails from adel
The Too Much Sport issue is real. I have stopped watching rugby, unless it is international, and do not even watch the new european rugby tournaments in which my favourite provincial team is playing. Just not interested any more...
As they always do, the ECB have made the wrong decision, how predictable.
Let's make the Hundred a women's only format. Reduce the tests to a maximum of 5 in a Summer. Pick Sam Curran for the test.
Overdose of Leagues r destroying International Cricket n Cricketers 🤢🤮
Too many tournaments yet they are happy to take the money and present the fourth tournament. Stand up and admit The Hundred isn't needed.
Yep, far too much cricket.
Sri lanka series doesn't matter. Teams are not at the same level
Nick Knight -- soooo much better than Ian Ward
Eoin Morrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgan
All champions these and lovely analysts plus mostly neutral , but do not like broad in commentary excessively one sided ..
Surprised Atherton didn’t blame BCCI/IPL
😂😂if he get injured in IPL
Scrap the Hundred. Its wrecking our cricket.
Bilateral needs to go
I've never like the "Hundred", seems a waste of time, they have messed with the format, and as always not free to view, so limited to those who can afford Sky. Just can't see the point of it. Not totally convinced Ollie Pope is good enough to get in the England team, averaging in the 30's for your number 3 batter is not ideal, so equally not convinced he should be Capt the side. Not at all sure about Dan Lawrence. 27 years old now, I think he's done okay domestically, first class ave in the high 30's, so not running away with it, and I think around ave of 29 in 11 Test's..., In his last 10 innings, he's only averaged 14.6 !!!, so surprised he's got the nod.. .. Doesn't show any signs of being a Test player, but only my take on it.. Good job Joe Root is there, or we would be struggling..
The Hundred is ruining cricket.
Are they on drugs . Which test success they are talking about in ben stokes . That person had put england to 8 position in wtc test rankings . Lost ashes lost convincingly in india . Which success they are talking about
Made wrong comments and thanks for rectifying me.
High 'PAIN' threshold. Listen again.
@@_Mirage_12Sorry, My bad and thanks by the way!!
The hundred has just ruined the cricket season.
Where’s Bumble? You guys at Sky are a disgrace
The Hundred was the worst idea, horrible format I haven’t got the time of day for.
Mickey mouse tournament
Against Sri Lanka Eng could win with 8 men, no need to worry hahaha.