It wouldn't change how fast Red Bulls pulled away from everyone else. Sure the drs zones will help the battles in the middle of the pack, but up front it wouldn't impact it all. There's an underlying problem with the new car designs and regulations that is preventing teams being competitive at the top.
@@ForzaPolska06 The S/F straight activation zone got shortened despite not having featured easy-looking passes that have been a regular thing on, for example, Spa's Kemmel straight, & occasional in Baku's, Montreal's, & Interlagos' longest full-throttle sections, etc.
@@Gebirges it didnt help RedBull mate, if they didnt change it RedBull would be faster in the quali because of the Drs advantage and they would take Pole Position easily
The reason why Red Bull is fast is not because of the engine. Newey and his design team have created a car wich can generate a lot of downforce while it has also low drag. Further the RB19 is good on its tyres and gets the maximum out of the DRS.
@@sennescholten7278 Thats a ride height. Red Bull can run its car lower that others. Thats more ground effect for more downforce and also lower ride height is less drag. I dont know how they do it. Maybe suspension.
Thank you. People have zero to short memory. This is all caused by FIA bending the knee to Mercedes because they built a poor race car under the new regulations.
Pretty sure it’s because the fia allowed more aerodynamic devices at the sides of the floor compared to last year. They did this to gain back the downforce they lost by raising the floor. So from what I know it isn’t really Mercedes fault the racing is so poor, when they just wanted to raise the floor for the safety of the drivers and more the fia’s fault. But correct me if I am wrong
@@twanvanderdonk2504 pretty sure even Sergio Perez complained about back pain alongside many other drivers. Also let’s not forget how bad the porpoising was on the Ferrari car. But my comment wasn’t really about driver safety and more about why the regs have made for worse racing this year compared to last year.
They really just need to lower the cars back down again. It’ll give Ferrari their performance back making it more entertaining and the cars will be able to follow easier. Even with the lower ride height porpoising shouldn’t be a thing as they engineered it out
Agree. If Mercedes still struggle with low ride height they can raise their own cars and drive around in the back of the field until they figure it out.
The super low rise out was an issue not only for mercedes and it is putting drivers at health risk to a degree. They can lower them back down and introduce active suspension back and job is done. At the same time ban back all those cut outs on the floor and uppy sticky bits on the wing
In retrospect it now looks like it would have been better if floor ride height wasn't the first thing people thought about as a solution for porpoising. Something like suspension changes could work a bit better. Ironic to that is that the team that was most vocal about raising ride height hasn't even improved as much and if anything it feels like the regulation changes even helped their competitor even more and now another team also leapfrogged them. Don't get me wrong porpoising is the last thing this sport needs but had anyone knew this was gonna happen people would be more hesitant about simply raising ride height when the regulations revolved around the floor.
F1 cars are really complex machines so we can see that they got it wrong in retrospect. They need to now sit again and come up with a solution that doesn't bring back porpoising while making it easier to follow. As fans, we don't appreciate the complexity in those technical regulations so people are just blaming Mercedes yet its definitely much more complex than that. Just hope that fix it sooner cause Baku was hard to watch
The best way to stop porpoising is to change the ride heights, at least with the current rules. To allow low ride heights all the cars should be equipped with a standard (same for everybody) active suspensions that increases the ride heights in the straights, to limit the vertical movement. Something that the teams shouldn't be allowed to directly control, but still doesn't penalise the ones that don't have porpoising (if the ride heights are increased only at a given amount of vertical movement).
@@supaG-1.0 That was at the request of pirreli because the tyres couldn't handel the load on the tyres that the downforce the 2020 cars were generating.
1. Slightly softer tires for tracks like Baku and Monaco (just add C6 tires) 2. Slipstream effect is weaker than in 2021 that's why Baku is so boring now, we need a longer DRS zone here 3. The racing is still actually closer than in 2021, cars can follow more easily but slipstream effect is weaker which makes some tracks actually worse than they were in 2021 (the ones without fast corners like Baku)
Just come with the active suspension. Honestly dont understand whats the big deal why we cant have it. Overtaking will most likely improve only because of that
So we just ignore how RB cried to get Mercs stuff banned since 2014, but the moment Merc get something changed its all Mercs fault that F1 is going down the drain?
You're exactly right. It's shocking. Tear it up. 500KG cars, 30 per cent smaller, V10's, sustainable fuel but maintain safety and the halo. Keep DRS that's fine, bring back re-fuelling.
Taylor Refuelling was detrimental to on-track overtaking, but the other suggestions are decent, although 500 kg as the minimum car+driver weight limit is rather unachievable.
@@whatever16jb17 FIA WEC has re fueling. Return refueling and introduce a penalization that if there is an accident, the team will be heavly penalized. This way teams will take couple extra ten of seconds to ensure that the car is released safely
@Whatever that's true. But so was indycar back in the day and they never got rid of it. Nascar is the same also. Refueling can safely work in today's age in my opinion
This what happens when you change the regs after a certain amount of time. Inevitably , one team gets it right and the rest all play catch up. Due to the bureaucracy and politics, new regs are brought in to level the playing field in the meantime the teams are leveling the field up by slowly evolving their cars only for it to be reset by the FIA once we get exciting racing
Because you read an article from the comments of the scandal red bull team and helmet marko saying it was Toto? Smart. This decision was made many months ago by the FIA based on last years data. Get wiser.
No, not really. They were behind Ferrari and now they are ahead of Ferrari. They had hoped the changes they pushed for would knock down Red Bull, but Red Bull is still out of reach for Mercedes.
Thats only one of the reasons. 2022 cars were a 1st gen of a new breed, teams were yet to find creative ways to generate even more downforce by pushing the limits (rules). Now that they have had an year to think, teams are now starting to implement more complex overbody aero arrangements that are generating a lot of turbulence. This was always going to happen and it will get worse as time goes. He teams will always find ways to exploit the rules.
The fundamental problem with F1 compared to other motor racing series is it can't work out what it wants to be. Series like Formula E, Indy Car, as well as Formula 2/3 are driver orientated series. They are meant to be focused around who the best driver is, as a result the cars are (mostly) all on a level playing field and are (mostly) identical. Series like the World Endurance Championship or the World Rally Championship are constructor focused, focused on which constructor can build the best car. F1 advertises itself as a Drivers series, but it runs itself like a Constructors focused series, despite the fact that we have been told that the Driver's Championship is the important title and is the title the teams care more about winning. Its madness. F1 needs to decide whether it continues to be about finding the best driver, or the best team/constructor. Because if its about finding the best driver then the sport needs to be changed.
Spot all. All the marketing F1 push act like it’s a level playing field for drivers so new fans come in and think it’s all about the driver. Spec series’ will always be better for racing whilst F1 is basically an expensive game of follow the leader
It was fine last year. At least we had two teams going at it. But they changed the rules again to help Mercedes because of the huge stink they were making with driver safety and Hamilton playing his part with him barely being able to get out of the car which was caused by their own doing. Merc had no one to blame but themselves
No way you can say that Toto wanted new regs that won’t work when we had the best battle in 2021. The FIA has just failed to do what they said they were going to do.
@@matthewburdick742 yes you can when Toto bitched and complained and made a huge deal out of the safety of his drivers and Hamilton playing as the actor that couldn’t get out of his car. Yeah it’s merc and toto’ s fault that they raised the floor edges. They pushed for that so hard like little princesses because they weren’t winning anymore and did it work out? No! They are still back there
If they just all stood behind Honer's "if you have a problem, change your f*cking car" - we wouldn't have this shitshow. ONE team was affected tremendous, by gambling on a non-functional design and demands that ALL OTHERS make changes so their fuck-up is less significant. The idiocy!
there is close racing. They can follow much closer, but if you're in a DRS train you're limited by the guy second in the train to overtake. And you still need a large DRS delta to do that
No you just need a smaller car to make sure you can use also narrow parts on the track to outbreak people in front. When all formule 1 is is DRS overtakes on straights, that would be still boring as f…
Drivers have already been saying that it's hard to follow again and it will only get worse as downforce is added on. So all that happened with the new regs is we got bigger cars that handle worse that also can't follow
Yeah I'm surprised this wasn't a bigger story. Verstappen and Hamilton both couldn't even get that close without the dirty air just destroying the car. We're back to square one and the big story is supposedly Checo pulling a Rosberg.
This always happens after they drastically change the rules like 2009 sure the first year was fun with Brawn winning the championship but then we got 4 years of red bull dominating so they drastically change rules again and we get 7 years of Mercedes dominating. They always change the rules to improve overtaking but it always ends up being the opposite because in the end the teams outsmart the rules and it's the same as if they did not change the rules at all.
Talking about shooting oneself in the foot. Hadn't Toto lobbied for raising the floor height, Red Bull would not be dominating the field with absolute ease. They should send him a big, shiny trophy for his help.
Imagine how fun every season would be if everyone had the exact same car... I’ll probably get shot for saying this, but it would produce an absolute banger of a season every season.
Shorten drs, sure, bit it's more. I think designers literally build to be midfield. Meaning aero designed for dirty air while one team accepted to only be in front.
Reminds me of a quote, forgot where from. The dude basically said that the regulation changes only help out the big teams, because they have the ability to adapt well to them. Meanwhile all the other teams that were finally catching up to the big ones now have to start over.
I watch F1 since 2002, over a decade and last 2 years I barely watch it(include this year). Constant big regulations change every 3-4 years, Every time when they change they always say will bring closer racing and end 1 team domination but is actually let another 1 team to began their domination. Gap wasn't even closer instead actually bigger (and then the V6 turbo hybrid, the most reliable engine in F1 IMO,that means lesser unpredictability), lack of horsepower wasn't the problem.Car weight and aerodynamic is THE biggest problem.Older days when they have rules changes, still 1 team dominating but at least racing was good, nowadays is not and thank god I watch 6 hours of Spa instead of Baku GP(when my friend told me to watch and he regret it)
Remember how the wings at the start of these regs were all rounded and flowing? Check them now. They're just back to the right angled ones and are kicking off a tonne of dirty air again
They shouldn’t have changed the regulations. The problem wasn’t the ride height but the car built around it. Literally just Mercedes was struggling with porpoising at a certain point and they should have just raised their height and improved their car. Ironically, the new regs only made Red Bull faster and Mercedes slower relative to the grid.
You can really thank Mercedes for this , they were so far behind last year they made the biggest fuss of it all . Lewis got out the car last year in Baku grabbing his back and shit . FIA said their going to change the rules , suddenly next race all back issues are gone 😂😂 they played themselves though . Like Horner said CHANGE YOUR FUCKING CAR
The drivers were already complaining about following back in Saudi Arabia. The thing is if following is becoming an issue then what was the point of changing the regulations anyway? And if this is the case, then drivers are really driving a s*itbox around these circuits. I feel they should bring back the 2021 regulations because these generations of cars are neither fast nor they're good enough for following.
No they should lower up the floor again like last year. Because the height of the cars were changed to solve porpoising. But because of this, the teams now have more tiny wings and gaps on the floor and the body of the car. These wings and gaps causes dirty air and that causes following issues. In fact most teams actually solved the porpoising issue last year without the regulation change for 2023 so these new regulations were not needed. Going back to last year's regulations should solve a lot!
Those floor high changes probably affected this. But I don't know if it was a good idea not to change it as well. Drivers already complain about back pain even before mercedes bitching. I feel like it was a disaster waiting to happen if the Fia didn't change it. The team won't suddenly change their car height just to comfort their driver, and even if they do, they'll try to go back to those height if they can't find other solution especially if lowering the car height is faster.
@@AZBCDEE you mean "whinebull", you have all the time in the world to come up with a good insult and still miss. Lol clearly a #blessed fan. Also not everyone who hates mercedes is an RB fan, they are just a "hatable" team.
I wouldn’t exactly call this an accurate assumption to make after only 4 races, of which only one of them was like this, and that was Baku. The last 3 races this season were actually more action packed and were full of more overtakes and shocking moments. If I had to take a personal guess as to what went wrong, I would say that either Baku isn’t suited for these new cars or that these cars weren’t made for street circuits
Last year was fine but Hamilton and Mercedes cried about driver safety and remember lewis slowly getting out of his car holding his back just playing his part to the T. It’s their fault we got raised floor edges
Raising ride height was the dumbest thing they could do for these regulations. Where did they think downforce will come from? Its gonna be gained through other means messing up the cars behind again.
Remember in 2021 it was so hard to overtake that drivers intentionally stayed 2 seconds back to manage temps and only tried to overcut or undercut, nostalgia makes it easy to forget the bad things
For the first time in nearly 20 years of watching every GP I was actually considering not watching the race on Sunday after watching Sprint Saturday. Wish I went with my gut.
@@JDYTC How many times would you be 100% certain of a Merc win every weekend? I know I wasn't, but so far, every race has had a 100% RB win gaurantee, while you can cry about Mercs "parade," at least we either had an inter team battle (2014-16) (RB won't allow Perez to fight Max even if he was fast enough, which he's not) or Merc Vs Ferrari (2017-18), or going into each race where RB, Merc and Ferrari all have a chance (2019) And hell, at least 2020 was fun cause we saw the fastest an F1 car will ever go
@@richardhobbs7360 Another salty Briton! 😃 Cry harder please! To answer your question: just as “certain” as we can be now. Funny is that I am the only one not “crying” here lol, you hilarious pot calling the kettle black 🪞🤡 I am only surprised about the hilariously blatant bias and hypocrisy in this incredibly British sport, already after just *three GP’s* (of 24) while it almost didn’t even matter who drove a Merc for freaking *eight consecutive years* lol 🤷♂️ “Valtteri, it’s James” 😘
@@w1ldwesty Where did I state that I “enjoyed watching that” race? “What’s” enjoying that race or not “got to do with it”, at all? I did not “enjoy” that race that much, but that is completely besides the points I was making. And “being British” shouldn’t matter indeed. It’s just the only thing I could think of when so many F1 commenters (professional and keyboard) keep surprising me with their double standard “cries” about RedBull’s (boring) dominance, after *3 lousy GP’s* of 24(!) in this British sport. Especially when we just watched a *record breaking streak of 8 freaking years* of the Greatest F1 Team Of All Time.
Kinda wished the regulation change was pushed to 2024 considering Merc and RB were finally on the same level and would have challenged for a few more exciting years but sadly that's not how it works
If you want good racing 1. Make the cars much thinner and shorter, these cars are nearly as big as a hummer or the same size dimension. 2. Have the same aero set up as indy car or WEC, hardly any downforce on top, all coming from defuser. 3. REVERSE GRID. Who cares of history with qualifying, if we want change, we change and we make things interesting. Take notes from BTCC with reverse grid race 3 and ballast for race 1 and 2 winner as well as championship ballast and it works. It's not domination, the correct champion still wins but it goes down to the wire and has 4-5 drivers for title.
It is Toto and Hamilton’s fault. Remember last year and all the drama they stirred up with “driver safety” and Hamilton’s achy back barely “able” to get out of his car. Yeah it’s their fault we got raised floor edges instead of merc just raising their ride height and figuring out how to run the car without out being slammed on it’s bump stops.
Exactly what I’m thinking. Why not blame the other drivers for their poor racing skills or congratulate Ocon/Hulkenberg for driving really well and letting no one pass them for a while. 🤷🏽♂️ lol
@@ottoඞ Not really. Drivers also had to manage their tires since the teams didn’t want a 2nd pit stop. Why are we trying to force an exciting race in a street circuit lol
@@ericrossoni Why we have races in street circuits if we know they are boring af? Raising ride height of the cars fucked up the new regs and they cant follow closely anymore. There wont be many overtakes in any circuits.
@@nakki123 Money lol. Also why do you think the new format was introduced for Baku, thinking it would bring excitement in race day as well. Many factors why the race was boring and less overtakes. FIA removed 2 practice sessions so drivers didn’t get a chance to get proper data on race pace and the hard tires. Also an early pit stop forced everyone to change to hard and teams wanted them to last the whole race so they can avoid a 2nd pit stop, hoping another safety car would happen but it didn’t. So drivers were forced to manage their tires instead of pushing. Also if you notice the drivers were pretty close to each other, so when 1 driver used drs, the front driver had drs as well so it makes it harder to gain that momentum when everyone’s in drs range and can’t get the pass. But mainly the blame issue was drivers had to manage their tires and teams were hoping for a 2nd safety and it just never happened. Every race isn’t suppose to be exciting as we would like, sometimes you get these awkward boring races that wasn’t anticipated.
@@ericrossoni Yeah but the problem isnt just street tracks, we will get many boring races this year. Drs train wasnt the only problem. Like Leclerc didnt have drs and Alonso still couldnt overtake him. He got almost to 1 sec but then didnt get closer. And Ocon and Hulk keeping everyone behind with old tires. Drivers managing tires in race has been the problem in F1 for years. Also Australia would have been as boring as Baku if there wasnt those few crashes and red flags.
The timing of the regs change after a 2021 season with unexpected results like Ocon win, Mclaren 1-2,Mercedes vs Red Bull was wrong timing transitioning to the Red Bull dominance right after the season where teams figured out the formula to fight Mercedes
I don’t think people are understanding the problem. In previous years, cars couldn’t follow and would be way too far in DRS zones. But now, cars can follow, but DRS zones are being shortened, while drs is also less effective because the rear wing makes less downforce
Solution as a fan of open wheel racing is simple... Watch Indycar where one race can have more overtakes than an entire season of F1. As far as what F1 teams should do... Join Indycar like McLaren did. F1 is not a racing league, it's a prototype engineering contest. Driver's talents are not showcased, but rather their skills are perfected like automated pilots. Indycar drivers have greater opportunities to win, and to drive in whatever style that suits them.
I was saying this before the regs change. The reason Merc and Red Bull were so close is because both teams had enough time to becom level with each other development wise. But everytime theres a rule change, one team always figures it out before the others, putting us straight back to square one.
The new aerodynamics are producing closer wheel to wheel racing overall though, just look at Austria this year or Silverstone last year with the “through goes Hamilton” and others. Baku is a bad example as it’s a lot of straights and stop start zones, where DRS is less effective due to the new aerodynamics. DRS zones need to be adjusted to give a fair chance without making it too easy, although that’s no simple task. Do agree that it’s not ideal having RB out front, but eliminate them from the equation right now and it would be an absolutely thrilling championship fight between AM, Ferrari and Mercedes, where their performance varies from track to track. So it’s not really the aerodynamics per se, but more that Red Bull is just way out in front
Think instead of raising the car to a minimum ride height, they should change the suspension and allow for something that dealt with porpoising better without risking the health of the drivers. This race was just fucking boring to watch.
There was no risk to the drivers. Only merc had the issue at the end of last year. Only merc and Hamilton acted all hurt couldn’t get out of the car it’s all on them because they can’t make a car worth a fuck in the new regs. They shouldn’t have changed the floor edges to help one team.
@@CarlosZ34NSM there is health risk when several cars suffered from porpoising, you saying this is literally ignoring the potential harm constant porpoising can cause, and it certainly wasn't acting. Even then, what the fuck has this comment have to do with anything, I am proposing an alternative solution that would remove the change in favor of something else, which you apparently want to stay and have racing be on the level what we saw last weekend.
I feel like people are forgetting the days of cars having to back off to a 3 second gap (if not more) if they couldn’t get past a car immediately. Seems like the racing is still better now than it was during the last generation by a mile. Some tracks are worse than others for passing but overall, f1 is miles more entertaining than it was 5 years ago.
The best way to make F1 interesting again are equal chassis. You would have other grid positions, podiums and winners nearly every week and the title fight would be going till the last race. It works in F2,F3,Indy…..but it would show that some „Wonderboys“ are nothing but average.
No, it wasn't. I mean, it was because of 2 drivers in particular. But cars were way worse to follow, racing was worse. Start of 2022 was WAY better than either season imo. We just need to go back to that.
Actually in 2021 you could overtake and therefore if you’re able to overtake you are at least somewhat able to follow. Then the FIA brought in ground effect which ruined everything. Actually going motor racing ruined everything, ground effect came after
Turn the cars back into coupes and take out the video game steering wheels. Two buttons on a round wheel, one is kill, other is driver choice, boost, drs, within reason, thats what you get for the race. Then drive.
They brought Pirelli in too make tyres last a lot less. The drivers complained about the tyres going off too quick, so they extended the life and now it’s gone back to the Bridgestone days. They’re really stupid.
So the faster the cars are the harder it is to follow, rhe more boring the races.... well slow the car down and make them slightly smaller so races can be held at more interesting places and circuits.
Problem can be easily resolved if the FIA brought the floor edge back down the 15 mm from last year and ban some of the aero devices we are now seeing on the cars which go against the intention of the new rules. The straighter edges on the rear wings for example, the aero turnouts on the front wings which were banned last year and the new floor edge wings the cars have this year. Just have a straight floor edge with no holes or cutouts allowed.
I often watch GT racing (GT3 in particular), where every car is completely different. The regulations are very loose so you have front, mid and rear engined cars. You have some V6's, V8's, V10's etc. and the racing can be so tight that the winner is decided on the last lap of a 24h race. Meanwhile in F1 the performance differences between the cars are so insanely huge even with such strict regulations. It's just ridiculous. So I feel like the FIA needs to give teams more freedom, so they have more areas where they could make up for some of the compromises they've mad with other stuff. F1 used to be all about innovation, but nowadays if someone comes up with a cool and innovative solution to a certain problem everyone else just protests it and it gets outlawed within a week. Teams just don't have any real chances of improving their car if they got off to a poor start in development.
They always change things just as the front teams lost its advantage and the diminishing returns on spending has the whole field closing up... They are changing things again in 2026 when we probably will have someone catching RB lol
They need to stop modifying every circuit. They shorten the DRS sector in Bahrain, changed Saudi's layout on some turns, they added a 4th DRS sector in Melbourne and now shortening the DRS sector on the long straight. Literally every circuit has been changed in some form.
Imagine the technical directive had been omitted and teams who were porpoising had just raised their floors to compensate and then start copying the Red Bull ANYWAY?
FIA raises the minimum floor height for ground effect cars and acts surprised when the cars can’t follow anyone.
Well we can’t make Merc cry it’s apparently against the rules
Merc started that BS, should've never listened them in the 1st place
@@mamavswild the sad truth :(
@@mamavswild can’t make crystappen cry as well or penalise him.
Always creaming yourself over your idol schooled by Russell 😂😂😂
Guess it’s their fault crystappen had a problem getting past Perez 😂😂😂
This is what happens when you shorten DRS zones. The FIA did this in Bahrain as well and look what happened.
I feel the same way
What happened in Bahrain?
It wouldn't change how fast Red Bulls pulled away from everyone else. Sure the drs zones will help the battles in the middle of the pack, but up front it wouldn't impact it all. There's an underlying problem with the new car designs and regulations that is preventing teams being competitive at the top.
If you watch the full podcast they provide a better answer
@@ForzaPolska06 The S/F straight activation zone got shortened despite not having featured easy-looking passes that have been a regular thing on, for example, Spa's Kemmel straight, & occasional in Baku's, Montreal's, & Interlagos' longest full-throttle sections, etc.
F1 organisers need to have a serious reflection of what they want their sport to become, a technology driven parade of fast cars, or a motorsport.
Espicially the fanbase. They are brain dead
It has been and always should be both. I think the aerodynamic penalty probably needs to be more than they are currently.
@paper plane I love tech innovation as much as the next guy, but let’s be honest the circus brings in the money.
@@charliecharlie9042 precisely, and plenty of other disciplines are able to supply both!
My dad (as much as he loved F1) told me 30 years ago as a kid that it's actual name was "the parade of cars".
Perhaps shortening the DRS zone wasn't the best Idea?
It certainly was the dumbest idea... only helped Red Bull because they are fast enough to overtake others in that short time.
@@Gebirges it didnt help RedBull mate, if they didnt change it RedBull would be faster in the quali because of the Drs advantage and they would take Pole Position easily
@@tanker672 charles had pole but look what happened to him 🤷♂️
@@geo-lite69 Charles also had pole nearly every race last year too. Didn’t help him win anything besides a handful of races.
@@tanker672 it didn't effect rb but effected the whole f
Grid
The season is a write off 😭. The cars can't overtake anymore and Redbull have a jet engine in their car.
Its a write off till 2026. The cost cap makes sure that no one can catch Red Bull.
Well. I see the jet engine on the alphatauri too
No, Mercedes complained until ride heights were raised. This destroyed the performance literally everywhere else except RB and AM
The reason why Red Bull is fast is not because of the engine. Newey and his design team have created a car wich can generate a lot of downforce while it has also low drag. Further the RB19 is good on its tyres and gets the maximum out of the DRS.
@@sennescholten7278 Thats a ride height. Red Bull can run its car lower that others. Thats more ground effect for more downforce and also lower ride height is less drag. I dont know how they do it. Maybe suspension.
You can thank Mercedes for forcing Directive 39 that helped RB, screwed Merc and killed Ferrari.
Congrats Toto
Thank you. People have zero to short memory. This is all caused by FIA bending the knee to Mercedes because they built a poor race car under the new regulations.
Pretty sure it’s because the fia allowed more aerodynamic devices at the sides of the floor compared to last year. They did this to gain back the downforce they lost by raising the floor. So from what I know it isn’t really Mercedes fault the racing is so poor, when they just wanted to raise the floor for the safety of the drivers and more the fia’s fault. But correct me if I am wrong
@@ibleminen You are wrong, because it wasn't a general issue with driver safety across all teams. It was mostly one team that struggled with it.
@@twanvanderdonk2504 pretty sure even Sergio Perez complained about back pain alongside many other drivers. Also let’s not forget how bad the porpoising was on the Ferrari car. But my comment wasn’t really about driver safety and more about why the regs have made for worse racing this year compared to last year.
They really just need to lower the cars back down again. It’ll give Ferrari their performance back making it more entertaining and the cars will be able to follow easier. Even with the lower ride height porpoising shouldn’t be a thing as they engineered it out
Agree. If Mercedes still struggle with low ride height they can raise their own cars and drive around in the back of the field until they figure it out.
@@mv3380 merc fan here, I agree, realistically if they’re not challenging for a title then no point in holding back other teams who can.
The super low rise out was an issue not only for mercedes and it is putting drivers at health risk to a degree.
They can lower them back down and introduce active suspension back and job is done. At the same time ban back all those cut outs on the floor and uppy sticky bits on the wing
@@eden5260 only merc drivers were bitching about it. Remember there's no MAXIMUM floor height. Merc was just being £aggots by spoiling other teams.
Red Bull when no one is challenging them.
"Fine we will do it ourselves"
Mercedes 2016
😂
@@gerhardolivier6285exactly but nobody was arguing then..
couldn't have summed it up better
In retrospect it now looks like it would have been better if floor ride height wasn't the first thing people thought about as a solution for porpoising. Something like suspension changes could work a bit better.
Ironic to that is that the team that was most vocal about raising ride height hasn't even improved as much and if anything it feels like the regulation changes even helped their competitor even more and now another team also leapfrogged them.
Don't get me wrong porpoising is the last thing this sport needs but had anyone knew this was gonna happen people would be more hesitant about simply raising ride height when the regulations revolved around the floor.
Stubborn teams who don’t want to admit their solution didn’t work so they demanded the general solution to raise the floor height.
F1 cars are really complex machines so we can see that they got it wrong in retrospect. They need to now sit again and come up with a solution that doesn't bring back porpoising while making it easier to follow. As fans, we don't appreciate the complexity in those technical regulations so people are just blaming Mercedes yet its definitely much more complex than that. Just hope that fix it sooner cause Baku was hard to watch
The best way to stop porpoising is to change the ride heights, at least with the current rules. To allow low ride heights all the cars should be equipped with a standard (same for everybody) active suspensions that increases the ride heights in the straights, to limit the vertical movement. Something that the teams shouldn't be allowed to directly control, but still doesn't penalise the ones that don't have porpoising (if the ride heights are increased only at a given amount of vertical movement).
That's what happens when you change your new regulations to help one particular team that couldn't build a car properly...
Yes
Yup, like the floor regs in 2021 that helped the high rake cars.
@@supaG-1.0Decreased the load on the tires'
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That was at the request of pirreli because the tyres couldn't handel the load on the tyres that the downforce the 2020 cars were generating.
Exactly, thank you arrogant Toto.
1. Slightly softer tires for tracks like Baku and Monaco (just add C6 tires)
2. Slipstream effect is weaker than in 2021 that's why Baku is so boring now, we need a longer DRS zone here
3. The racing is still actually closer than in 2021, cars can follow more easily but slipstream effect is weaker which makes some tracks actually worse than they were in 2021 (the ones without fast corners like Baku)
Only DRS overtakes on straights is just as boring racing.
Cars need to be smaller to outbreak eachother and overtake in corners
We need smaller cars, lower ride height and active suspension to remove porpoising. Done.
proposing is just the way the car is built look at rb there low but they don't have porpoising like merchandise
Lower the weight too
Just come with the active suspension. Honestly dont understand whats the big deal why we cant have it. Overtaking will most likely improve only because of that
I agree, but for smaller cars we need to get rid of the shitty fucking hybrid system, its the only reason why the cars are so fucking wide and long.
That would give Mercedes the advantage and they don’t want that😊
You can thank Toto Wolff and Mercedes for this. They couldn’t just “change their f*cking car” apparently.
@@ottoඞ pride came before the beautiful fall ❤
#AD21
Exactly… just after a few races last year they were so quickly to change it
So we just ignore how RB cried to get Mercs stuff banned since 2014, but the moment Merc get something changed its all Mercs fault that F1 is going down the drain?
@@ottoඞ are you deluded? Everything RB and Ferrari asked for to slow Merc down happened, DAS, party modes, 2017, 2021
@@ottoඞ It did tho, 2016 was an extremely dominant year, 2017 was a title fight, 2021 rule change as well as DAS and partymodes meant Max won in 2021
You're exactly right. It's shocking. Tear it up. 500KG cars, 30 per cent smaller, V10's, sustainable fuel but maintain safety and the halo. Keep DRS that's fine, bring back re-fuelling.
Taylor Refuelling was detrimental to on-track overtaking, but the other suggestions are decent, although 500 kg as the minimum car+driver weight limit is rather unachievable.
refueling was also dangerous, the pit lane accidents were insanity
@@whatever16jb17 FIA WEC has re fueling. Return refueling and introduce a penalization that if there is an accident, the team will be heavly penalized. This way teams will take couple extra ten of seconds to ensure that the car is released safely
@@whatever16jb17 true but the fia could just standardise the procedure for the teams, and it could definitely be safer than it was
@Whatever that's true. But so was indycar back in the day and they never got rid of it. Nascar is the same also. Refueling can safely work in today's age in my opinion
Lower the damn floor and allow active suspension. Problem solved.
Lower floor maybe... activr suspension 😂😂😂
Mercedes wanted active suspension to return but the FIA said no. That is why the floor height is higher.
@@rkan2 It would literally solve the problem with porpoising
@@swampthing94 Of course, bud it doesn't fit in budget cap. And I don't doubt for 1 sexond that one team would still get ahead..
@@rkan2 at least the other 9 can fight
If you make rules so that ground effect cars lose a huge part of their ground effect you can't really be surprised that the racing gets worse.
And Baku is usually pretty good for racing. Hope Checo can keep up the pressure on Max throughout the season to at least get some kind of fighting.
Wel here you have the results of Toto’s lobbying to FIA about how porpoising is dangerous.
He really should have just chaanged his f*ckin' caaar.
@@DiabIe37 Red Bull could've added DAS to theirs, they didn't and instead got it banned
@@richardhobbs7360 Das was nowhere near this level of impact, and it wasn't changed mid season.
@@Jimbo7 Party modes, 17 and 21 rule changes, amongst other things
@@Jimbo7 they also nerfed the low rake cars aswell
This what happens when you change the regs after a certain amount of time. Inevitably , one team gets it right and the rest all play catch up. Due to the bureaucracy and politics, new regs are brought in to level the playing field in the meantime the teams are leveling the field up by slowly evolving their cars only for it to be reset by the FIA once we get exciting racing
Been saying this for years but everyone kept saying i was stupid
You can thank Toto for that
You can thank Mercedes for this.
Yup. What Toto wants…
Because you read an article from the comments of the scandal red bull team and helmet marko saying it was Toto? Smart. This decision was made many months ago by the FIA based on last years data. Get wiser.
Mercedes shot itself in the foot. Hilarious.
No, not really. They were behind Ferrari and now they are ahead of Ferrari. They had hoped the changes they pushed for would knock down Red Bull, but Red Bull is still out of reach for Mercedes.
Is this all from the 15mm floor raise? Nerfed Ferrari and recreated dirty air in one fell swoop.
Yes this is the main reason why they cant follow.
Directive fucking 39
Thats only one of the reasons. 2022 cars were a 1st gen of a new breed, teams were yet to find creative ways to generate even more downforce by pushing the limits (rules).
Now that they have had an year to think, teams are now starting to implement more complex overbody aero arrangements that are generating a lot of turbulence.
This was always going to happen and it will get worse as time goes. He teams will always find ways to exploit the rules.
The fundamental problem with F1 compared to other motor racing series is it can't work out what it wants to be.
Series like Formula E, Indy Car, as well as Formula 2/3 are driver orientated series. They are meant to be focused around who the best driver is, as a result the cars are (mostly) all on a level playing field and are (mostly) identical.
Series like the World Endurance Championship or the World Rally Championship are constructor focused, focused on which constructor can build the best car.
F1 advertises itself as a Drivers series, but it runs itself like a Constructors focused series, despite the fact that we have been told that the Driver's Championship is the important title and is the title the teams care more about winning. Its madness.
F1 needs to decide whether it continues to be about finding the best driver, or the best team/constructor. Because if its about finding the best driver then the sport needs to be changed.
We'll said
Spot all. All the marketing F1 push act like it’s a level playing field for drivers so new fans come in and think it’s all about the driver. Spec series’ will always be better for racing whilst F1 is basically an expensive game of follow the leader
Horner and Toto said the money were on constructors, they always aim for the constructors first.
It is always the same. Rule change helps one team and it takes 3 to 4 years to catch up and then rule changes again
It was fine last year. At least we had two teams going at it. But they changed the rules again to help Mercedes because of the huge stink they were making with driver safety and Hamilton playing his part with him barely being able to get out of the car which was caused by their own doing. Merc had no one to blame but themselves
@Carlos Zetino Exactly. Nothing needed to change. Mercedes could just raise their cars and f*k off.
You can blame Toto for that
The band?
@@glidertastic5778 Toto Wolff, the lead singer of the band
No way you can say that Toto wanted new regs that won’t work when we had the best battle in 2021. The FIA has just failed to do what they said they were going to do.
@@matthewburdick742 yes you can when Toto bitched and complained and made a huge deal out of the safety of his drivers and Hamilton playing as the actor that couldn’t get out of his car. Yeah it’s merc and toto’ s fault that they raised the floor edges. They pushed for that so hard like little princesses because they weren’t winning anymore and did it work out? No! They are still back there
If they just all stood behind Honer's "if you have a problem, change your f*cking car" - we wouldn't have this shitshow. ONE team was affected tremendous, by gambling on a non-functional design and demands that ALL OTHERS make changes so their fuck-up is less significant.
The idiocy!
there is close racing. They can follow much closer, but if you're in a DRS train you're limited by the guy second in the train to overtake. And you still need a large DRS delta to do that
No you just need a smaller car to make sure you can use also narrow parts on the track to outbreak people in front.
When all formule 1 is is DRS overtakes on straights, that would be still boring as f…
The regulation changes for the 2022 season couldn’t have come at a worse time.
Drivers have already been saying that it's hard to follow again and it will only get worse as downforce is added on. So all that happened with the new regs is we got bigger cars that handle worse that also can't follow
And are slower and imo look worse
Yeah I'm surprised this wasn't a bigger story. Verstappen and Hamilton both couldn't even get that close without the dirty air just destroying the car. We're back to square one and the big story is supposedly Checo pulling a Rosberg.
Thanks to Toto
Shortening DRS was a bad idea and Pirelli should likely take different compounds to this circuit.
The cars are much too wide and long in general, but for street circuits, they are ridiculously oversized.
This always happens after they drastically change the rules like 2009 sure the first year was fun with Brawn winning the championship but then we got 4 years of red bull dominating so they drastically change rules again and we get 7 years of Mercedes dominating. They always change the rules to improve overtaking but it always ends up being the opposite because in the end the teams outsmart the rules and it's the same as if they did not change the rules at all.
Talking about shooting oneself in the foot.
Hadn't Toto lobbied for raising the floor height, Red Bull would not be dominating the field with absolute ease.
They should send him a big, shiny trophy for his help.
Imagine how fun every season would be if everyone had the exact same car... I’ll probably get shot for saying this, but it would produce an absolute banger of a season every season.
Formula 1 is a constructor’s championship primarily. not a driver’s championship.
Go watch Indy car, F2, F3, FE, Nascar. Your problem has so many solutions. F1 is F1. Don't try to make it an entirely different thing.
Shorten drs, sure, bit it's more. I think designers literally build to be midfield. Meaning aero designed for dirty air while one team accepted to only be in front.
FIA should stop listening to Toto.
@@barclas4422bro he’s talking about toto bitching about the porpoising so everyone had to change their ride heights. Nothing to do with 2021
I personally think this is the tightest the mid field pack has ever been. Besides RB I see a lot of overtakes.
OK let’s go back to 2021 Regs😂😂😂
Reminds me of a quote, forgot where from. The dude basically said that the regulation changes only help out the big teams, because they have the ability to adapt well to them. Meanwhile all the other teams that were finally catching up to the big ones now have to start over.
I watch F1 since 2002, over a decade and last 2 years I barely watch it(include this year).
Constant big regulations change every 3-4 years, Every time when they change they always say will bring closer racing and end 1 team domination but is actually let another 1 team to began their domination. Gap wasn't even closer instead actually bigger (and then the V6 turbo hybrid, the most reliable engine in F1 IMO,that means lesser unpredictability), lack of horsepower wasn't the problem.Car weight and aerodynamic is THE biggest problem.Older days when they have rules changes, still 1 team dominating but at least racing was good, nowadays is not and thank god I watch 6 hours of Spa instead of Baku GP(when my friend told me to watch and he regret it)
Make baku interesting and try racing the circuit in the opposite direction 😂😂
Jay Bevoman Runoff & or escape road space is non-existent at places in the opposite direction, so undoable.
The only way that would be interesting is if half the cars were running in each direction
Remember how the wings at the start of these regs were all rounded and flowing? Check them now. They're just back to the right angled ones and are kicking off a tonne of dirty air again
They shouldn’t have changed the regulations. The problem wasn’t the ride height but the car built around it. Literally just Mercedes was struggling with porpoising at a certain point and they should have just raised their height and improved their car. Ironically, the new regs only made Red Bull faster and Mercedes slower relative to the grid.
You can really thank Mercedes for this , they were so far behind last year they made the biggest fuss of it all . Lewis got out the car last year in Baku grabbing his back and shit . FIA said their going to change the rules , suddenly next race all back issues are gone 😂😂 they played themselves though . Like Horner said CHANGE YOUR FUCKING CAR
He isnt faking it tho.
We don't know how much back pain Hamilton had. I believe Gasly and Sainz also complained about back pain.
Yep that’s what happens when you keep changing the rule to slow rb down karma
We need to go back to 2017-21 Spec cars, they were definitely fun to see over a lap and race distances, not only that but they were faster
There wasn’t even the close racing/overtaking when the cars were lower last season. The current regs are terrible and it was always going to be
The drivers were already complaining about following back in Saudi Arabia. The thing is if following is becoming an issue then what was the point of changing the regulations anyway? And if this is the case, then drivers are really driving a s*itbox around these circuits. I feel they should bring back the 2021 regulations because these generations of cars are neither fast nor they're good enough for following.
No they should lower up the floor again like last year. Because the height of the cars were changed to solve porpoising. But because of this, the teams now have more tiny wings and gaps on the floor and the body of the car. These wings and gaps causes dirty air and that causes following issues. In fact most teams actually solved the porpoising issue last year without the regulation change for 2023 so these new regulations were not needed. Going back to last year's regulations should solve a lot!
Blame Merc and Lewis’ back tbh. It prompted FIA to change rules.
Im dead @Lewis' back😂
Those floor high changes probably affected this. But I don't know if it was a good idea not to change it as well. Drivers already complain about back pain even before mercedes bitching. I feel like it was a disaster waiting to happen if the Fia didn't change it. The team won't suddenly change their car height just to comfort their driver, and even if they do, they'll try to go back to those height if they can't find other solution especially if lowering the car height is faster.
Honestly it's crazy. F1 need to allow the mass dampner back in to fix porpoising and allow the cars low again for close racing.
Thanks Mercedes and Toto for ruining the sport once again but this time while not even being in top 3.
Wait for them to find another thing to complain and change until the rules fit their car😂
Hey there's a wambulance here for you... the regs have to be voted in lol one team can't ruin it by themselves, cry more kid
@@chickenpit9991 just like whingebull did for 8’years 🤣
@@AZBCDEE you mean "whinebull", you have all the time in the world to come up with a good insult and still miss. Lol clearly a #blessed fan. Also not everyone who hates mercedes is an RB fan, they are just a "hatable" team.
I wouldn’t exactly call this an accurate assumption to make after only 4 races, of which only one of them was like this, and that was Baku. The last 3 races this season were actually more action packed and were full of more overtakes and shocking moments. If I had to take a personal guess as to what went wrong, I would say that either Baku isn’t suited for these new cars or that these cars weren’t made for street circuits
Last year was fine but Hamilton and Mercedes cried about driver safety and remember lewis slowly getting out of his car holding his back just playing his part to the T. It’s their fault we got raised floor edges
Raising ride height was the dumbest thing they could do for these regulations.
Where did they think downforce will come from? Its gonna be gained through other means messing up the cars behind again.
Remember in 2021 it was so hard to overtake that drivers intentionally stayed 2 seconds back to manage temps and only tried to overcut or undercut, nostalgia makes it easy to forget the bad things
For the first time in nearly 20 years of watching every GP I was actually considering not watching the race on Sunday after watching Sprint Saturday. Wish I went with my gut.
Lolwut? “For the first time in nearly 20 years”? And you state that while we just had *eight* years of Mercedes parades? Are you British or something?
@@JDYTC How many times would you be 100% certain of a Merc win every weekend? I know I wasn't, but so far, every race has had a 100% RB win gaurantee, while you can cry about Mercs "parade," at least we either had an inter team battle (2014-16) (RB won't allow Perez to fight Max even if he was fast enough, which he's not) or Merc Vs Ferrari (2017-18), or going into each race where RB, Merc and Ferrari all have a chance (2019)
And hell, at least 2020 was fun cause we saw the fastest an F1 car will ever go
@@richardhobbs7360 Another salty Briton! 😃 Cry harder please!
To answer your question: just as “certain” as we can be now.
Funny is that I am the only one not “crying” here lol, you hilarious pot calling the kettle black 🪞🤡 I am only surprised about the hilariously blatant bias and hypocrisy in this incredibly British sport, already after just *three GP’s* (of 24) while it almost didn’t even matter who drove a Merc for freaking *eight consecutive years* lol 🤷♂️
“Valtteri, it’s James” 😘
@@JDYTC what's being British got to do with it ? Did you actually watch the race ? You must be the only one who enjoyed watching that.
@@w1ldwesty Where did I state that I “enjoyed watching that” race? “What’s” enjoying that race or not “got to do with it”, at all? I did not “enjoy” that race that much, but that is completely besides the points I was making. And “being British” shouldn’t matter indeed. It’s just the only thing I could think of when so many F1 commenters (professional and keyboard) keep surprising me with their double standard “cries” about RedBull’s (boring) dominance, after *3 lousy GP’s* of 24(!) in this British sport. Especially when we just watched a *record breaking streak of 8 freaking years* of the Greatest F1 Team Of All Time.
#bringbackbouncing
The problems with everyone being so close is that the difference is so small people can hold position. RBR got a jump by using a fancy drs trick
Let's just go back to 2006 regs plus modern safety structures
Can alpha tauri get permission to use a rev limited v10 again if so then its all green for me
I blame Toto since he advocated for having the height changed, ever since it hasn’t been the same
Kinda wished the regulation change was pushed to 2024 considering Merc and RB were finally on the same level and would have challenged for a few more exciting years but sadly that's not how it works
If you want good racing
1. Make the cars much thinner and shorter, these cars are nearly as big as a hummer or the same size dimension.
2. Have the same aero set up as indy car or WEC, hardly any downforce on top, all coming from defuser.
3. REVERSE GRID. Who cares of history with qualifying, if we want change, we change and we make things interesting. Take notes from BTCC with reverse grid race 3 and ballast for race 1 and 2 winner as well as championship ballast and it works. It's not domination, the correct champion still wins but it goes down to the wire and has 4-5 drivers for title.
Toto fricking Wolff happened 😂
Red Bull 🤡s blaming Toto
It is Toto and Hamilton’s fault. Remember last year and all the drama they stirred up with “driver safety” and Hamilton’s achy back barely “able” to get out of his car. Yeah it’s their fault we got raised floor edges instead of merc just raising their ride height and figuring out how to run the car without out being slammed on it’s bump stops.
People blaming Toto 🤡😂
Exactly what I’m thinking. Why not blame the other drivers for their poor racing skills or congratulate Ocon/Hulkenberg for driving really well and letting no one pass them for a while. 🤷🏽♂️ lol
@@ottoඞ
Not really. Drivers also had to manage their tires since the teams didn’t want a 2nd pit stop. Why are we trying to force an exciting race in a street circuit lol
@@ericrossoni Why we have races in street circuits if we know they are boring af? Raising ride height of the cars fucked up the new regs and they cant follow closely anymore. There wont be many overtakes in any circuits.
@@nakki123
Money lol. Also why do you think the new format was introduced for Baku, thinking it would bring excitement in race day as well. Many factors why the race was boring and less overtakes.
FIA removed 2 practice sessions so drivers didn’t get a chance to get proper data on race pace and the hard tires. Also an early pit stop forced everyone to change to hard and teams wanted them to last the whole race so they can avoid a 2nd pit stop, hoping another safety car would happen but it didn’t. So drivers were forced to manage their tires instead of pushing. Also if you notice the drivers were pretty close to each other, so when 1 driver used drs, the front driver had drs as well so it makes it harder to gain that momentum when everyone’s in drs range and can’t get the pass. But mainly the blame issue was drivers had to manage their tires and teams were hoping for a 2nd safety and it just never happened.
Every race isn’t suppose to be exciting as we would like, sometimes you get these awkward boring races that wasn’t anticipated.
@@ericrossoni Yeah but the problem isnt just street tracks, we will get many boring races this year. Drs train wasnt the only problem. Like Leclerc didnt have drs and Alonso still couldnt overtake him. He got almost to 1 sec but then didnt get closer. And Ocon and Hulk keeping everyone behind with old tires.
Drivers managing tires in race has been the problem in F1 for years. Also Australia would have been as boring as Baku if there wasnt those few crashes and red flags.
Trim the wings down in size. Front and rear. Extend the floor if needed to keep performance.
As long as there are different teams this will continue to happen.. only way to fix it is to make the same car for every driver
The timing of the regs change after a 2021 season with unexpected results like Ocon win, Mclaren 1-2,Mercedes vs Red Bull was wrong timing transitioning to the Red Bull dominance right after the season where teams figured out the formula to fight Mercedes
I don’t think people are understanding the problem. In previous years, cars couldn’t follow and would be way too far in DRS zones. But now, cars can follow, but DRS zones are being shortened, while drs is also less effective because the rear wing makes less downforce
We need smaller cars, to make overtaking possible again, making many circuits interesting again
Solution as a fan of open wheel racing is simple... Watch Indycar where one race can have more overtakes than an entire season of F1. As far as what F1 teams should do... Join Indycar like McLaren did.
F1 is not a racing league, it's a prototype engineering contest. Driver's talents are not showcased, but rather their skills are perfected like automated pilots.
Indycar drivers have greater opportunities to win, and to drive in whatever style that suits them.
I was saying this before the regs change. The reason Merc and Red Bull were so close is because both teams had enough time to becom level with each other development wise. But everytime theres a rule change, one team always figures it out before the others, putting us straight back to square one.
Miami had the most overtake this season with 60. Doesn’t include pit stop overtakes or lap 1 overtakes…
The new aerodynamics are producing closer wheel to wheel racing overall though, just look at Austria this year or Silverstone last year with the “through goes Hamilton” and others. Baku is a bad example as it’s a lot of straights and stop start zones, where DRS is less effective due to the new aerodynamics. DRS zones need to be adjusted to give a fair chance without making it too easy, although that’s no simple task.
Do agree that it’s not ideal having RB out front, but eliminate them from the equation right now and it would be an absolutely thrilling championship fight between AM, Ferrari and Mercedes, where their performance varies from track to track.
So it’s not really the aerodynamics per se, but more that Red Bull is just way out in front
The only silver lining to this is the fact that the team that lobbied the most for these floor changes is nowhere near being regularly competitive.
How has removing porposing affected overtaking. Is it cause they increased the minimum ride height so dirty air gets sprayed more to drivers behind?
Think instead of raising the car to a minimum ride height, they should change the suspension and allow for something that dealt with porpoising better without risking the health of the drivers. This race was just fucking boring to watch.
There was no risk to the drivers. Only merc had the issue at the end of last year. Only merc and Hamilton acted all hurt couldn’t get out of the car it’s all on them because they can’t make a car worth a fuck in the new regs. They shouldn’t have changed the floor edges to help one team.
@@CarlosZ34NSM there is health risk when several cars suffered from porpoising, you saying this is literally ignoring the potential harm constant porpoising can cause, and it certainly wasn't acting.
Even then, what the fuck has this comment have to do with anything, I am proposing an alternative solution that would remove the change in favor of something else, which you apparently want to stay and have racing be on the level what we saw last weekend.
The biggest problem is the rules have created a boring strategy show. Unlimited tires, refueling, and uncapped horsepower has to return.
the top level of motor racing should be in equal cars to show who really is the best
I feel like people are forgetting the days of cars having to back off to a 3 second gap (if not more) if they couldn’t get past a car immediately. Seems like the racing is still better now than it was during the last generation by a mile. Some tracks are worse than others for passing but overall, f1 is miles more entertaining than it was 5 years ago.
The best way to make F1 interesting again are equal chassis. You would have other grid positions, podiums and winners nearly every week and the title fight would be going till the last race. It works in F2,F3,Indy…..but it would show that some „Wonderboys“ are nothing but average.
Cars are too big and baku circuit sucks. 2021 competition is rare in f1, dont expect every year to be like that.
2021 was one hell of a good season. so bring back those cars and remove the tyre change rules and bring back engine modes
No, it wasn't. I mean, it was because of 2 drivers in particular. But cars were way worse to follow, racing was worse. Start of 2022 was WAY better than either season imo. We just need to go back to that.
Actually in 2021 you could overtake and therefore if you’re able to overtake you are at least somewhat able to follow. Then the FIA brought in ground effect which ruined everything. Actually going motor racing ruined everything, ground effect came after
Turn the cars back into coupes and take out the video game steering wheels. Two buttons on a round wheel, one is kill, other is driver choice, boost, drs, within reason, thats what you get for the race. Then drive.
They have to get back to lowering the cars and forcing teams to figure out how to not porpoise.
Mass dampers: exists
FIA: Why not change the floor height for ground effect cars
They brought Pirelli in too make tyres last a lot less. The drivers complained about the tyres going off too quick, so they extended the life and now it’s gone back to the Bridgestone days. They’re really stupid.
Instead of DRS perhaps they should do push to pass like Indy car does.
So the faster the cars are the harder it is to follow, rhe more boring the races.... well slow the car down and make them slightly smaller so races can be held at more interesting places and circuits.
Problem can be easily resolved if the FIA brought the floor edge back down the 15 mm from last year and ban some of the aero devices we are now seeing on the cars which go against the intention of the new rules. The straighter edges on the rear wings for example, the aero turnouts on the front wings which were banned last year and the new floor edge wings the cars have this year. Just have a straight floor edge with no holes or cutouts allowed.
They also need to go back a few generations of tires, two stops should be the norm, with some able to do a single stop.
Its going to take a few years for the cost cap effects to take notice, 2026 we will see mid fields getting podiums weekly again.
I often watch GT racing (GT3 in particular), where every car is completely different. The regulations are very loose so you have front, mid and rear engined cars. You have some V6's, V8's, V10's etc. and the racing can be so tight that the winner is decided on the last lap of a 24h race. Meanwhile in F1 the performance differences between the cars are so insanely huge even with such strict regulations. It's just ridiculous. So I feel like the FIA needs to give teams more freedom, so they have more areas where they could make up for some of the compromises they've mad with other stuff. F1 used to be all about innovation, but nowadays if someone comes up with a cool and innovative solution to a certain problem everyone else just protests it and it gets outlawed within a week. Teams just don't have any real chances of improving their car if they got off to a poor start in development.
ever notice we didn’t have the problems with the lower downforce and lighter cars of the 2010’s
Going back, and slower than ever. At least in sub 2021, they were fast.
They always change things just as the front teams lost its advantage and the diminishing returns on spending has the whole field closing up... They are changing things again in 2026 when we probably will have someone catching RB lol
It always helps one team now matter how you change the regulation unless everyone has equal machines.
They need to stop modifying every circuit. They shorten the DRS sector in Bahrain, changed Saudi's layout on some turns, they added a 4th DRS sector in Melbourne and now shortening the DRS sector on the long straight. Literally every circuit has been changed in some form.
Imagine the technical directive had been omitted and teams who were porpoising had just raised their floors to compensate and then start copying the Red Bull ANYWAY?