Jorah Mormont's "Lynesse" Speech (ASOIAF reading)
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Valkyrist.wordp... - This is a dramatic reading of Ser Jorah Mormont's speech about losing his second wife Lynesse Hightower. It is taken from Daenerys' first chapter in A CLASH OF KINGS (book 2 of George R. R. Martin's A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE saga).
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"Do you hate the show?"
"Almost as much as I love it"
I asked for this in the messages of the incredible Hugo Wull speech and here it is. What fan service and amazing performance you give!!
+Danny Stevens
#DanStevensforIronfist
Jorah has to be one of the saddest characters in the books and shows
Ain't nothing but a golddigger
The Hightowers are an extremely wealthy family. That’s not the point of the story. The point is Jorah, Lynesse and Lord Hightower acted without thinking, just like people do in fairy tales. But in real life the magic ends.
@@incanusolorin2607 Oh no, Lord Hightower and Lynesse probably acted after a lot of thinking.
Please do stannis' conversation with jon snow when they are at the wall. The cart before the horse speech.
+Jacob Strandell did he do it?
And after this speech, Dany thought to herself, "I will never have sex with that dude." :D
KolyFrog XD
iateyursandwiches To be fair, Jorah is three times Dany's age.
+KolyFrog Well, on the flipside, this is the first time I can remember that she also *considered* sleeping with him.
+iwpoe Dany wants to sleep with anybody worth fucking lol drogo left her Sexually unsatisfied
+Carlos Mendoza only because he died to soon
I hope this speech will be part of GOT season 6 in some kind of way. "Do I hate her?Almost as much as I love her." - Love that line.
What, you think that D&D would have proper character development? Don't be silly.
Do I hate her? Almost as much as I love her.
That's Beautiful.
That is the saddest thing I've heard about Jorah. I cried! He deserves to win at love for a change. I hope he gets his girl!
Still loving your videos! Great job. When you get the possibility of a chance, my vote for next video is still Euron Greyjoy's speech at the Kingsmoot.
KPruchE99 Yes please! yes please!
the show would be so much better if these speeches were included.. I loves Jamie's speech at the bathing pool at Harrenhal.
Haunting!! Dude, whoever voiced this video should get an Emmy. The soundtrack helped too.
This is.. beautiful..
Have you ever considered being a voice actor?
I'd love to hear you do Jaime's confession in the bathtub
Thank you. Jorah is my hero in HBO which has made me reluctant to read the books. I gather he is something of a whiny weasel in Martin's version. I much prefer him as I see him and yet, I've been wondering what led to his ruin.
Valkyrie Sardo He's not whiny in the books, he gives Dany good counsel and is just as amazing as he is in the show! I like both versions of him. You also get a better backstory and character development in the books.
Valkyrie Sardo There is rarely a portrayal more faithful to the books than Jorah Mormont's. They are worth reading regardless, but have no doubt, true to the Mormont family custom, he's all kinds of badass.
+Valkyrie Sardo If anything the show treats him worse because they give him greyscale. Jorah is a very complex tragic character someone who due to love lost everything which is sooo different to knightly tales. Though the books treat his bout with being a slave worse, they brand him and strip him naked. Slavery takes all his pride and dignity.
Valkyrie Sardo I would very much recommend reading the books. While the show does a pretty good job of adapting the action and major plot moments, the books are told POV from numerous of our main characters, and so have a much greater emotional connection for seeing the world through their respective eyes. Plus, the show, particularly in it's latest season, has sacrificed intrigue and complex plots for action. As for Jorah, can't think of any major differences. Will share an article on this topic that I came across the other day, *spoilers up to the end of S5*
www.randomhousebooks.com/lists/only-watch-game-of-thrones-heres-what-youre-missing/
*EDIT:* It occurs to me that there's potential spoilers for S6 in the article, so will copy it here and omit that section
*1: For the Watch is about politics, not a sad orphan*
The Caesar-like assassination of Jon Snow on the show throws in a few extra characters, but the executive producers did their best to point out young Olly again and again (and again) as being central to the event. The character was invented by the show last season, at the suggestion of then-assistant Dave Hill, to give the peasant victims of the wildlings an identifiable face and voice. So far, so good. However, this season the character has been far and away overrepresented, containing more screen time and lines than the much more formidable Ser Alliser Thorne. It’s not as if Olly’s insights have been particularly deep, revolving entirely around his personal experience. In fact, his arguments with Jon and Sam were almost identical!On the other hand, the shocking moment in the novels is really about a revolutionary (Jon Snow) attempting to unilaterally drag the Watch into a radical new position (alliance with the wildlings) against thousands of years of institutional tradition. Jon’s urgency as Lord Commander is highlighted, but his high-handed ways with his officers, his refusal to compromise on a very complicated issue, and (finally, and fatally) his attempt to “defend” the Watch by leading an army of wildlings against the Boltons created a perfect storm in which Night’s Watch hardliners could see no way forward but to violently rid themselves of a misguided tyrant.
*2: They build them big in Westeros (and everywhere else)*
Even on a budget that is exceptional for TV, there is no way that HBO can truly capture the vastness of the world of ice and fire, nor is there time to supply all the fascinating places that add so much color to the story. Thought the TV show’s Valyria was amazing? It has nothing on what George R. R. Martin hints at in the novels, explaining something of the Doom of Valyria and just why the Smoking Sea earned its name.The enormity of the Rhoyne, the hulking mass of Storm’s End, the triple-walls of Qarth, the black Valyrian roads crisscrossing Essos, the ruins of Oldstones-the list goes on and on. And even some of the great castles featured in the TV show, such as Winterfell and Harrenhal, are shadows of the far grander buildings described in the books.
*3: Psychological depth? Forget about it*
The medium of TV tends to emphasize action and explanatory dialogue. The novels are not short on either of those, but a third aspect-introspection-is almost wholly lost on the TV series. The points of view not only provide a series of interwoven stories to read, but they also give deep insight into the characters by both revealing their innermost thoughts and shading their interactions and observations with their personalities. It is this contrast between the external and the internal that is one of the strengths of the novels.In a somewhat similar vein, not only do the novels allow for richer understanding of characters, but the characters themselves are depicted in more complicated ways. Peter Dinklage makes a fantastic Tyrion Lannister, but many readers of the novels have observed that his character has been simplified and been made less of a “gray” character on the show. This whitewashing of Tyrion and certain other characters may fit the requirements of a ten-hour episodic television season, but it loses something in the translation from book to screen.
*4: A more mysterious Game of Thrones*
When someone is plotting something on the show, the specifics of what they are plotting is generally revealed very quickly. Consider Littlefinger: On the TV show he outright stated his desire to control the Iron Throne two seasons ago, while even now fans of the books aren’t entirely sure what he’s up to. The same can be said of another mysterious player in the game, Varys, who revealed his agenda on the show this season whereas there are some major questions about his true motives in the novels.The books have managed to successfully keep fans debating these and other mysterious agendas for years, something that the TV show has deliberately avoided to its loss.
*5: The role of prophecy*
Prophecies, dreams, and visions play a more central role in the novels than they have been allowed to play on the show. That is not to say that the whole future of the novels is laid out in prophecy-Martin is quick to point out they’re a double-edged sword, leading characters to cause their own downfalls as they misinterpret them-but over the years the potential hints of the future have been some of the most hotly debated, entertaining elements of the books.In particular, the show left out a significant number of glimpses of the past as well as the future when they radically altered Daenerys’s experience in the House of the Undying and kept virtually no material from the books for this sequence. Although the image of Daenerys in a ruined, snow-covered throne room was beautiful, as was her reunion with Drogo, it doesn’t match the eerie visions of past, present, and future that tie her to the song of ice and fire.
*6: They're not dead! (yet)
Want to see more of characters like Pyp, Grenn, Jojen Reed, Barristan Selmy, or Shireen Baratheon? Or how about Stannis Baratheon?In the novels you can, as none of these characters have met their demise yet. The TV show has pared away characters very quickly, and in the case of Barristan the Bold they did so despite the character having some truly heroic, noteworthy scenes yet to come. Of course, there’s no guarantee that these characters will survive in the long run, but by the end of A Dance with Dragons they are still around.
*7: What have the Dornish ever done for us?*
So far, we’ve met Oberyn, Doran, and Trystane from the Martell family, but the TV show has left out Doran’s other two children, Arianne and Quentyn. Arianne, the eldest, is in fact the heir in the novels as Dorne practices gender-blind primogeniture, but she fears for her position and plots to keep it. Quentyn, the middle brother (Trystane is a good deal younger than he is on the show), is sent on a dangerous quest to the east. Both of these characters, each in their way, help to highlight the tragedy that has fallen on House Martell ever since the Sack of King’s Landing at the end of Robert’s Rebellion. Their story appears to be rapidly heading toward a major role in the fight for the Iron Throne, but they’ve been reduced to a plot-hole-filled mess that few viewers or critics have appreciated.
*8: More characters than you can shake a stick at*
It’s not just Martell characters who are missing.The list of missing characters from the novels likely outnumbers the list of all characters who have appeared, and some of them are among the most popular secondary figures in the show. The Tyrells lost two sons in Willas and Ser Garlan; Daenerys has lost the stalwart eunuch warrior Strong Belwas (“Strong Belwas needs liver and onions.”) as well as important Meereenese figures the Green Grace, Skahaz the Shavepate, and Reznak; the North has lost not just Wyman Manderly but memorable figures such as Barbrey Ryswell, Jeyne Poole, and Greatjon Umber’s uncles Mors Crowfood and Hother Whoresbane; the Iron Islands don’t seem likely to show us Victarion and his younger brother, Aeron Damphair; Stannis’s camp has lost the creepy fool Patchface; the wildlings don’t count Val among their number, and many, many more besides.Time and budget certainly explains all of this, but it goes without saying that the books have an unlimited budget, and you can take as much time as you like to read them if it helps you keep track of the one thousand plus characters.(Let's not even get into Lady Stoneheart. . . .)
*9: ''He dreamt an old dream, of the knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.''*
One of the most important scenes in the entire series has yet to appear in the TV show, and is not likely to ever do so. Eddard Stark’s fever dream of the tower of joy where he and six other men faced three knights of the Mad King’s Kingsguard takes us into the final days of Robert’s war for the throne. It contains a poetic exchange between the young Lord Eddard and the three knights, and lays bare the bitter memory of the place where only two men walked away alive.One of the strongest themes of the novels is the way the past, especially the events surrounding Robert’s Rebellion, is a constant presence for those characters who experienced it. A strong sense of loss permeates the view of the past, and the events of the past clearly have relevance to the ultimate destination of the story. This season has started awkwardly working in references to these past events, but it flows much more richly in the novels.
*10: Hollywood cannot live up to the power of your imagination*
George R. R. Martin famously set out to write an unfilmable series, and though time and the power of modern visual effects, production design, and substantial triple-A budgets have proved him broadly wrong, when you come down to specifics the show is an extremely pared down vision of the novels, constrained by the realities of those same budgets, those same visual effects, those same production concerns. His imagination-and yours-has an unlimited budget, and every castle, every feast, every battle, every character interaction will be the richer for it when you read it in the books.
Valkyrie Sardo He's as much a weasel in the books as he is in the show I'd say. He's a sellsword, remember; they don't last long if they're not cunning and out for themselves. And he's not whining here, she had to use her authority to make him spill all of this.
I think I know what's coming for HBO Jorah (awesome btw), but I feel even worse for book Jorah's plight. There've no doubt been a lot of men like him throughout history, guys who ruin themselves because they chose the wrong women.
Would it be possible for you to read The Knight of the Laughing Tree story? Theories aside, the Knight is just awesome:
See/hear of an injustice committed by three squires
Their three knights win first day jousts but all fall to this knight
Unlike with Jorah's ransoms, all that TKotLT asks for is for the squires to be taught honour
Then TKotLT just vanishes. No personal gain, no glory, no gold, nothing...
Except accidentally gaining the Love of Prince Rhaegar.
The thing I like about the books which the show does not do as well is show every character as the flawed human beings they are. There is no nuance in the show because the show writers want to hold your hand to their path which they want you to go. George rr however shows people with unblinking realism.
please do more of these!!!! ty
Can you do the conversation when stannis tells davos about sacrifice?
Please do not stop making these Videos, i love hearing the great words of those great Charakters. You do an incredible job. Thank you for that.
good speech
Wow! Beautifull.
This One is thankful:)
Really like his character in the show but it's kind of a shame thay they didn't go too deep into how awful a person he was. Like "literally sold people into slavery" awful. Still super interesting/cool portrayal.
Jamie's speech in the bathtub, please!
By the way, love your videos, awesome work!
Please do the pink letter!!! Would be really cool Ty
This is an excellent idea as it is nice and short, from a single speaker and is unique in tone to what Valkyrist has done before.
Dan Man The pink letter is cool but kind of short.
I'd like to hear Sams eulogy for Aemon Targaryen.
"He was a good man... No. He was a great man. A maester of the Citadel, chained and sworn, and Sworn Brother of the Night's Watch, ever faithful. When he was born they named him for a hero who had died too young, but though he lived a long long time, his own life was no less heroic. No man was wiser, or gentler, or kinder. At the Wall, a dozen lords commander came and went during his years of service, but he was always there to counsel them. He counseled kings as well. He could have been a king himself, but when they offered him the crown he told them they should give it to his younger brother. How many men would do that? He was the blood of the dragon, but now his fire has gone out. He was Aemon Targaryen. And now his watch is ended"
+AdoreYouInAshXI Or the Aemon finale words to Jon,
Dude. Sad.
Theses videos are amazing thanks for making them. One speech you could make is Jamie's speech on what it means to be a knight in Clash.
Hate her? Almost as much as I love her....
Sometimes you get what you ask for always be sure its worth it to you.....but sometimes what you want isnt what you need
To any of the idiots watching this, having a character go through something romantically horrible is not a reason for another character to sleep with them. This is some fedora-level logic.
The soundtrack is from The Last of Us if anyone wonders.
Poor bastard.
I liked the music. Could you share it?
Fanstastic!
It makes me think why the hell Jeor would take the black when his male heir had not conceived an heir of his own. Bear Island has no shortage of badasses tho, with plenty of she-bears worthy of being heir themselves. It's just a strange thing.
Loved the vid, and have loved every asoiaf video you've put out!
He took the Black so Jorah could take over without having to wait for his death. After taking over Jorah ran into problems with Lynesse. Unfortunately the Night's Watch vows prevent Jeor from returning to Bear Island.
Danny Stevens Ah okay, well that was generous of him. I really need to re-read the books, honestly for how much I claim the books are superior to the show, I've only read the books once and probably didn't pick up on the finer complexities between some characters.
***** You bet, which is unfortunately why he didn't last too long in this series. His sister and niece are pretty badass too: "Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK."
:( he didn’t include the line that Danny looked like her.
Beautiful vid!
What's never made sense in jorahs story is why was there a tyroshi slaver on that side of westeros?
+Troper Brony Perhaps they were taking wildling slaves
Tenebrous294 that's what I thought at first, but why sail all the way around westeros to bear island for wildlings when you could just go to hardhome or skagos
Martin doesn’t let his worldbuilding interfere with the story. Obviously the Tyroshi wouldn’t be there, but this is the backstory he wanted for Jorah, so he did it anyway, even of it didn’t make sense.
In real life you can find all sorts of people in all sorts of places.
@@incanusolorin2607 to me it makes it more realistic. in real life history you see all sorts of events being influenced by little coincidences. you can find stories of portuguese priests in Japan or Vienesse men in China. Not allowing for events out of the ordinary makes the world feel strange and unnatural.
What is the music?
*****
Thank you.
Should've taken the black
What's the song anyone know ?
+Connor Lee It's from The Last of Us soundtrack I think
Lyneessee 😭
Blimey, that was depressing! After hearing that tale of woe I'd not want such a depressing bloke in my furs. But I suppose, after Drogo, any man is a step down the ladder for Dany!
Unless you have blue hair and a gold tooth.
I was here
gold diggers ami rite?
D:
please trans this of arabic
wedding a rich girl from the south and take her to the north to a not very wealthy region...... ya it will work sure...... i think this guy know nothing about women.....
+Brian Mcbrian That is why I only go for Northern women.
+King Jon Starkgeryan lol
+Brian Mcbrian Love can blind everyone.
The Wolf only fools, i prefer to be realistic and pragmatic, sound boring but in the end i dont get manipulated or con by women
Brian Mcbrian easy to say in the world of reality, but in the world of westeroes is waaay more complex
mgtow