@@malcolmt7883 I hope my experience running a game in the Shadowfell (inspired by MrRhexx's video on the matter) makes me better, because I like to think I've gotten better at describing with that game, even if it's just references like "you notice it's beginning to get darker than usual, must be getting close to nighttime"
Hmm.. what's worse? Coating an area with lead to protect against ethereal snatchers and becoming as dumb as a rock from lead poisoning, or being snatched.
Lead is pretty inert. Don’t suck on it, or put it in a place it’ll be worn away or aerosolized somehow, you will be fine. You could probably find a way to stabilize it to increase its resistance to weathering with magic, or special coatings for the outside of your bricks or inner parts of materials.
Odd that steel wasn't listed in the video. Still lead should not be a problem. If the DM rules silver as being too dense you know have something to do with your silver coins. Lead is only a problem when it enters the body. Lead based paint was bad because it was on the outside of the walls and was worn down into a breathable dust. Lead lining inside the walls, like insulation, will only be a problem when the wall is opened up. Even then; if not exposed to the elements to wear it down will be magnitudes less poisonous than paint...
The living tissue rule always raises a couple of questions for me. First, can an adventurer in the Material Plane punch something on the Ethereal Plane? Second, do undead count? In other words, can someone on the Ethereal move through a zombie? A vampire? A lich?
Unless you are a high-level monk (when your fists are considered magic weapons), it seems to me it is impossible to hit an ethereal creature with your knuckles or even regular weapons. Only magic weapons, or maybe special metal weapons (lead, gold, adamantine, obdurium???), certain spells (force damage) might harm ethereal creatures while you are at the Prime. And provided that you can see the ethereal creature to direct your attack or spell (truesight works). Most of PCs might not be able to see it. That's why ghosts and other ethereal creatures can be very dangerous to low-level characters. I do not think that this rule should prevent ethereal creatures from passing through undead since they are animated by necromantic magic (not really alive) and feed on the corpse. souls or lifeforce of their living victims. But who really knows?
I know. It is very difficult to rationalize how it works, and it kinda sets into question how the same happens with minerals. Unfortunately they never really explain it, unless i missed it.
I'd say yes because the tissue is no longer alive, especially zombies since they are rotting, liches and skeletons too since they don't have tissue, though vampires might be complicated.
It's the kind of thing that's great when you're having a blast just messing around with magic and friends, but if you come into the circumstance where it actually matters that you have an answer, then you need to put thought into it.
@@MrRhexx and as soon as they do explain they'll come out with a new edition or just a companion guide and blam... New info...contradictory usually cuz they never seem to reference what they've already written heh.
@@Florian0799 Try AJ Pickett The Mighty Gluestick channel. Easily among my favourites. Goes very deep into the lore and has half a gajillion videos in there. Definitely worth a watch.
Imagine adventurers use "Become Ethereal" to try to steal from a Gold Dragon but the Gold Dragon sees into the Border Ethereal and whoops the adventurers by just swiping because, ya know, gold.
I would make the argument that if Become Ethereal prevents living tissue from connecting with you, it would also prevent dense materials from doing the same as that is described as in tandem with one another. If it does not prevent living tissue from interacting with you, then it doesn't matter that the dragon is gold. It's living tissue, thus it would hit the adventurers regardless. I hope I didn't poop on your parade ): I just wanted to point the logic out to someone before someone else does at your tables
@@guyatanosavia8487 on my shroom trip the entire universe and everything was on the body of a dragon 🐉. A voice spoke through me n said I Am the all mighty I Am the Alpha and Omega.
I've been waiting for more on the deep ethereal for YEARS now. Here's hoping my heart could withstand that notification. My players are experiencing their first jaunt into extra-planar travel right now. I need to fight the urge to rush them 2 more levels to get that plane hoping spell proper instead of my first Macguffin.
Probably your best video yet. Very much appreciate the references to where you got the information from, like planescape etc. Also like that you spoke about how some of your observations might not apply to 5e rules, ie force damage. Really helps DMs know how to use this information in their own campaigns by knowing how it could work with 5e
technically the force damage rule still applies, its just that you cant use a wall of force or forcecage to do harm directly (like slamming it on a creature)
Some editions, not all, prevented ethereal creatures from passing through living creatures or trees. So I guess it is optional to whether use it or not. But punching ghosts has never been allowed, except for monks. Not being able to pass through living creatures does not harm the ghost.
While they can't be in the same space as another creature you still can't do harm to those in the Ethereal Plane without magic or just being a Monk so you wouldn't be able to unless you did one of the two mentioned.
I usually prefer when lore videos focus on the creatures and sentient races, but the enthusiasm and work put into these videos makes me fall in love with each one.
21:15 I would change it to: Chr = blue Str, because it gives you the power to change people's minds. Wis = blue Con, because it helps you resist phycic attacks, and avoid making self-harming choices. Int = blue Dex, because you use it to navagate ideas and solve complex problems.
I'm so happy you're coming out with these videos in this series. Wizards is releasing books soon (from what I hear) to give us actual info on other planes and so far we've got Dread Domains well on the way. Love your work! I plan to support the channel as soon as I can because all your lore videos have gotten me to really improve as a DM and made my long distance drives much more entertaining.
I think it is more about your will, the method of movement in the ethereal, than the density. Density, extreme density, merely enacts its own unconscious will to "be where it is", while you, living there, create your own space that you exist in, as a solid thing, in the ethereal.
My rule of thumb is to ignore any rule "clarifications" that come from jeremy Crawford or any of the other official sources. They make some pretty stupid calls and I consider them on a case by case basis and what my table thinks sounds good
I think sage advice s the best way to clarify rules-as-intended. That being said, rules-as-intended isn't always smart, and departing from it is often the best move.
@@craigbolton2231 Yeah. That being said, though, sage advice can help you understand the math and balancing of the game. On realism and verisimilitude, as well as D&D lore, they don't seem to have a grip. That being said, it is important to inform your players of any changes you make before the game. I don't think 5 feet of fog cloud should block all vision entirely, but someone who picked that spell might be awfully disappointed if you spring the change on him after he's already spent the spell slot and made it one of his known spells. That would be unfair. As usual, communication is key.
@@jonathandoe1367 aye it's good for some stuff. Its specifically just their rules as intended help that I find annoying. But aye rule discussion between the table is important. For the fog cloud spell specifically I'd assume a fog can be thick enough to block vision regardless of how much area it covers. Density over area. But even as the dm for my group usually I make sure everyone sees it as fair so if they think a rules bullshit and it's not integral to balance or anything then I'll scrap it
@@craigbolton2231 For the fog cloud, I was talking about how in previous editions, you could see the squares adjacent to you if you were in midst of the fog, and anyone outside could see anything on the outside edge (i.e. you could see through 5 feet of the fog). I think this makes more sense, but 5e decided to simplify the spell by having it work like a brick wall or the darkness spell. The problem is that I've seen discussion boards with DMs who kept assumming it worked like 3e, even though it doesn't. It would be a nasty surprise to learn that the spell you just casted won't stop you from taking an opportunity attack, or doesn't stop line of sight from the beholder's eye rays. So, yeah, kindly remember that newer players might not assume the game plays like an edition they've never seen before. :)
Great video! Another worthwhile mention is that, unlike the astral plane, at the ethereal plane PCs still need to feed and hydrate. However, on the ethereal plane, it is very difficult (or maybe impossible) to find any food or water, besides those created by magical means (if it works), food/water brought with you, or foraging for an ethereal creature dinner (and maybe dying on the process). So staying too long on the ethereal can be very dangerous, especially if you do not know how to get back to the Prime.
Oh my. I actually really needed dream related stuff for my version of the Quori, who would have thought I'd find that help in this video. This is fascinating, thank you so much hon.
Could you misty step through wall of force? Misty step doesn't say how it achieves the teleport but thematically it seems like it goes through the ethereal, and wall of force specifies that it extends into the ethereal plane.
Crazy character idea: A Derro character, meaning a member of a grey skinned, dwarf-like race that is known to be absolutelly batshit crazy, that has lengthy conversations with thin air, so nobody believes their claim to be totally sane. During the Story, it is revealed, that they are, in fact, totally sane, but cursed to be permanently able to see into the ethereal plane. When they seemed absent minded and said something about "flying fish, dancing around a certain character" they were meaning it, when they talked to the air, they had conversations with different denizens of the ethereal plane, one of which is their friend since early childhood. This should be accompanied by this character to being able to, for example, see through simple illusions or spot invisible passageways or characters/enemies every now and then. Maybe they suddenly talk to the invisible rogue, like they were visible, possibly blowing their disguise, because they just saw them and forgot that the rogue was supposed to "not be there". Although this would probably be hard to play and needs a lot of working with the DM, I think this could be an interesting character and could lead to some funny situations, if done right.
Finally, I was waiting for this video for a long time. Good job! It explains a lot and will help me give my players a more … vivid experience of the Ethereal when they inevitably get there (I have it planned for quite some time).
Great Explanation... still there are some topics arguable, but it depends on your physics theoretical approach... I've suscribed at the ending, Excelent Job Bro ;)
Thank you for the great job Rhexx. I never posted any comment up to now, but wanted to say I just finished your whole serie of Skyrim LorePlay and I basically have watched every single one of your Lore videos at this point ^^ and well, that was dope man. I'm a huge fan of the Elder Scrolls, thereferore having been able to get so much information, lessons, thinking, theories and all that good stuff in the form that you have given it all felt, very very good, so thank you about it all. Good job sir. I'll dare ask : can we hope of ever "being back with some more Elder Scrolls Skyrim" ? No pressure here dude, you do you obviously, just wondering for my part. (In the end the Elder Scrolls Lore shall get dug up whenever 6th comes out and you'll be there at the corner no doubt) See yah.
One of my projects is a homebrew race of "half-ghosts" who have souls that didn't quite bond to them properly. They take a lot of inspiration from japanese type ghosts and ghost stories. I feel that sort of thing is a relatively good way to connect the material plane and the ethereal plane. This race is naturally able to navigate the ethereal but it's a bit weird still. They do it primarily through spirit trees, though actual "villages" of them are unusual as they typically show up like plane-touched races, but they can breed true with one another.
Wow, I was working on a new setting, a prehistoric sort of thing, and the timing for this video is incredible. My idea was that in the beginning there are three goddesses, or guardian spirits, that helped create the world. I imagined that there was this central bit of land, a continent, existing in the nothingness. I stuck a crazy tall tower in the middle with the goddesses on top and the rivers that flow from the center over the edge of this land create the mist of the Ethereal. There is a bit more to it than that but I'm trying to keep this short. I was stuck trying to think of a way to move the world forward from my Idea and this helped get my gears moving. Thanks
I plan on having a high-level one shot take place in part of the Deep Ethereal, where the characters take on what I've dubbed an Astral Lich, so I'm really looking forward to that video...
Most frightening of all, you cannot determine its power before you meet one; its CR is variable. It can be weak or overpowering. There are those who claim to be untouched by them, yet there are just as many slain. Be wary adventurer!
3:54 wait, help me square the idea that dreaming is just the dreamer being transported into the Etherial Realm with the idea of creatures that can eat dreams to become more powerful. I just came from your Nidhoggr video and I think it was in that that I heard you mention this idea.
I've been binge watching all of your videos today and just came to the conclusion that, due to the nature of their existence, Outsiders can't dream, as that would put them in a different realm. If I am connecting the dots or just way off base, I don't know, but It's an interesting thought. Love all the love and effort put into your videos!
Silver at 10.40 Makes sense. I always describe silvered weapons as tearing away at the very fabric ov creation ov ghosts and other ethereal beings. And it seems that due to it being so close to the density ov lead that perhaps it gets caught up in the "flesh" ov ghosts as it passes thru that it tears some away with it on the weapons way out?
magic missile CAN hit creatures on the ethereal (or any other plane) though. You simply need to be able to see them, and be within range. Magic missile specifically says "if you can see them and theyre in range, you automatically hit them unless theyre fully enclosed"
I mean to hit a creature on the ethereal with say Eldritch Blast would first require you to target that creature. Next also the range of the spell would probably have to be changed to "sight" rather than a integer. Remember that technically each plane is an infinite distance from each other, this is true with the border ethereal as well. A wall from a wall of force can be seen to be doing at least one of two things. One it is intruding in some way into the border ethereal. Or creature from the border ethereal can interact with it but not the other way around. Now if you have a force AoE go off I can understand possibly there being some kind of effect on a creature on the ethereal. I am not sure if they would be damaged though or just displaced.
"See invisibility" lets you see invisible things AND lets you see into the ethereal plane. "Misty step" let's you teleport to a space you can see, that is also within 30 feet from you ("vortex warp" will allow you to teleport your friends)... Since the material and the ethereal overlap at the boarder ethereal, one SHOULD be able to combine these two low level spells to travel to the ethereal plane. Your solid body automatically becomes ethereal when teleported to the ethereal plane. That part is just d&d lore. So, of you all didn't want to wait until you had 7th lvl spells before going to the ghost realm... There ya go!
This would have been incredibly useful about a year ago when I Homebrewed a Monster that traps people in their dreams and feeds on their psychic energy as they sleep slowly killing them throughout the night. Basically, the creature exists in the Ethereal Plane near certain areas of the Material Plane and when a creature falls asleep in that area they trap the dreamers in a pleasant dream that could be described as Paradise by the individual character keeping creatures separate if multiple are in the area (Say an Adventuring Party). During the night(s) the creature has people trapped in their dreams they slowly consume the creature's mind taking a point of Intelligence for every couple of hours asleep in that area. The only way to escape is to find a flaw in the dream, focus on that and nothing else, and escape through that flaw into the realm of sleep and dreams where you can find and slay the creature returning yourself and others trapped to their own bodies in the Material Plane.
While there was a lot of information here Im not sure i go answers to the following. Can you interact with other beings on the ethereal plane? Do you need food, water, sleep etc? Can you die? Anything there that can kill you? Some material suggests the Astral Plane is the place of dreams so im a little confused. But the real question all of these are designed to help me resolve Is.... Is the Ethereal Plane a good place for a village of people to be stuck in unstuck from time (like a 1000 years type deal)? or should i look to one of the other planes?
Maybe silver does damage exactly because its slightly less dense. Maybe it partially passes trough ripping material from the ghost organs from the inside. Like a radiation or gama knife etc
I suppose since the Kalashtar come from Eberron, things may work differently there, but I thought based on what’s said in the 5E books about the Kalashtar that there is a Plane of Dreams that people go to when they’re dreaming. Unless the Plane of Dreams is somehow part of the Ethereal Plane.
@@jacopobertolotti5025 ya, but that means your dreams are physical locations. That complicates things when you have spells like gate and demiplane where you could potentially bring your dream creations to the material plane. The astral plane already has mechanics that dieing in the plane dosen't kill you just like in dreams. Dreams are a much better outer plane than an inner plane
When you said "a furious battle in the etherial won't show in the real" i've imaginated in an istant to do a whole campaign without monsters in the real and the pc fight a secret battle with extradimensional forces
It seems to me that, if you would rule that silver would also be considered something that is solid to those in the ethereal realm, then the cheapest way to attack a creature there would be to use the same silvered weapons you would use on a were-creature.
I think the intent with wall of force is that the etherial thing is spell specific, not inherently because its made of force, isn't it? Or maybe some lore compromises are made for the sake of balance.
Some of the imagery you used makes me think. Perhaps whatever qualifies as the "northern lights" on your world could be an area where you can accidentally slip into the ethereal plane. Granted, only someone or something that could fly high enough could do so, which leaves the regular, earthbound people to speculate on what it is. Like the ancient Norse thinking that the aurora borealis is the Bifrost bridge to Aesgard. But for those that could reach it, it's a way in.
It is worth noting you are literally on another plane, thus spells only reach you if they reach other planes. I quote: "While on the Ethereal Plane, you can only affect and be affected by other creatures on that plane. Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal Plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so. You ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane, allowing you to move through objects you perceive on the plan you originated from." So you can stand on the material plane, casting dispel magic, or put down a hundred glyps, or run circles around a person with Antimagic field on yourself, but all you'll accomplish is to shove the ethereal creature around by running into it. So stick those glyphs in the border ethereal, or you just make your home needlessly dangerous to yourself. However, if you get your Etherealness or Blink or such dispelled by someone else who is also on the ethereal plane, then you go right back to the material plane. Also, keep in mind that solid objects don't outright kill you. You take force damage equal to twice the number of feet you are moved... so most commoners would die from being moved just a few feet. So you may find yourself suddenly under a lot of solid bedrock and then emerge on the material plane as "chunky salsa" or "red mist" following your sudden extreme acceleration and deceleration upon your return to the material plane. Exceptions apply, but magic needs to be cast on the same plane (as of 5th edition) to do anything to the creature on the ethereal plane. This was not the case in earlier editions... but the universe has been restructured a few times since then. :) Edit: I love planar lore and get into it with my characters or as a DM as soon as I can. The hype for the Deep Ethereal lore is real. I love playing with demiplanes! Be it with my characters, or with my villains and NPC's as I DM. Keep it up MrRhexx. This series is your best yet! :)
shouldnt be those who in the eathieal can bearly interact with the material but those in the material can almost never interact with the eathirial. like there almost no spell that let you able to hit a creature in the eathrial you can see them with true sight but cant interact with them at all except if a spell can target a specific creature with a range of sight. which I barely can recall any.
Very helpful, if one of my COS players dies i plan on him being in the ethereal plane.. then possiy coming back with the ability to cast true seeing thanks to an ethereal wizard..
One thing I despise about 5th edition's oversimplification, is that they gutted/removed so many monster qualities for basically no reason. Such as the ghosts' physical intangibility, or lycanthropes' resistance to transmutation magic.
I wonder what happens to a psionic or anyone really when a person wakes up while physically in their dream. Since the dream realm disappears instantly, do you also cease to be? Do you get a backlash effect deal X amount of damage or damage your wisdom/intelligence? Are these outcomes dependant and their severity based on if you are a powerful psionic or not?
So if the Ravenloft setting is set in the Ethereal Plane, does that mean you cant enter the Ethereal Plane because that would be leaving Barovia? And would that also mean you cannot connect to other planes of existence at all? Like the inner and outer planes? And this was something I was just confused on, can Barovia be in ANY Material Planes, Ethereal Plane? Like people from Greyhawk and Faerun all end up in Barovia, or leave from Barovia to another Material Plane.
Idk... I always felt the TSR styled planes were unnecessarily complicated. And wholey reworked them to be more in line with my comicbook style universe. Dimensions were alien worlds. Higher planes were... Oblivion. Where I sent failed gods, heroes, etc.
If they cannot move through a living creature, then it should be able to punch or strangle someone. I would add on the wrinkle that an ethereal creature has zero mass, so though they could strike, they have no weight to actually do damage. For grip, a lack of mass isn't enough, so bites, strangles, etc won't really be stopped by this. That would just have to be added in as "has zero strength", possibly trying to tie in that since the movement is via thought, not muscle, that muscle does not then pertain to such acts, and the movement to actually cause constriction is disavowed by being ethereal. So it would not be so much that "it is hard" or "it is very solid matter" that causes the blocking of ethereal creatures by lead et al, but that there is no possible way to move through a space occupied by it. So if an ethereal alligator tried to bite you, you would maybe have the cloth crimped for no apparent reason (if it were considered semi-alive because it was natural fabrics), but the skin would not be moved in the least, and therefore no bite could rupture or split the skin to cause damage. If an ethereal boa tried to constrict you, then your cloth would be hard to remove if affected, but when you breathe in, the boa could not prevent your ribs from expanding, not because the force you breathe in is higher than their ability to hold still, but because the area their coils can exist changes. I would posit that the problem for force missiles and the like is that you would be shooting through ethereal stuff ALL THE TIME, so if it "strikes one creature or surface", then it would never work. The force would have to be directed to that surface to count, and in the material plane, that is constrained to the congealed matter on the prime material, but in the ethereal, a surface of anything, or even just the "air" itself, exists as a potential thing, not a reality, and that reality is formed from will alone, both the will of the observer AND the will of the thing that is "solid", so therefore you have to be cognizant of the object AS an object for the force to actually connect in the ethereal plane. If you can see into the ethereal, therefore, you can decide that your target is any region in the ether that you can decide "it" is. The smoky substance of "nothing" in the ether can just be the target you wish. Maybe that is how things like fireball can explode: you decide the spot that will be "the first solid surface" on the ethereal. However, to use force damage against an ethereal creature you would have to discern where it is first and aim at that thing, and thereby reify it in the spell target as being able to be affected.
That's super interesting, you mentioned that when someone dies in dnd their souls get sorted into going with their gods, he'll or disappear in a wall of shame? But what happens if someone decides to go to the deep ethereal plane to escape the afterlife? Is that even possible?
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Absolutely love this planar series
My favorite so far. Except maybe thr high magic series
Yeah it's fantastic
"you can have an entire campaign set in the Deep Ethereal"
do not tempt me sir...
Me: challenge accepted, now to make it happen
Also me: the next vid is going to be amazingly inspirational
Player: What does it look like now?
DM: Still foggy
@@malcolmt7883 I hope my experience running a game in the Shadowfell (inspired by MrRhexx's video on the matter) makes me better, because I like to think I've gotten better at describing with that game, even if it's just references like "you notice it's beginning to get darker than usual, must be getting close to nighttime"
Ethergaunts, there is your whole campaign
im currently in a campaign thats taken place entirely in the feywild. its the most fun campaign ive ever played in
Hmm.. what's worse? Coating an area with lead to protect against ethereal snatchers and becoming as dumb as a rock from lead poisoning, or being snatched.
Is this some kind of a peasant joke? Just use GOLD.
*_BOTTLED WHAT NOW?_*
Lead is pretty inert. Don’t suck on it, or put it in a place it’ll be worn away or aerosolized somehow, you will be fine. You could probably find a way to stabilize it to increase its resistance to weathering with magic, or special coatings for the outside of your bricks or inner parts of materials.
@@almasyelesbayev736 Lead is cheap... er.
Odd that steel wasn't listed in the video. Still lead should not be a problem. If the DM rules silver as being too dense you know have something to do with your silver coins. Lead is only a problem when it enters the body. Lead based paint was bad because it was on the outside of the walls and was worn down into a breathable dust. Lead lining inside the walls, like insulation, will only be a problem when the wall is opened up. Even then; if not exposed to the elements to wear it down will be magnitudes less poisonous than paint...
The living tissue rule always raises a couple of questions for me. First, can an adventurer in the Material Plane punch something on the Ethereal Plane? Second, do undead count? In other words, can someone on the Ethereal move through a zombie? A vampire? A lich?
Unless you are a high-level monk (when your fists are considered magic weapons), it seems to me it is impossible to hit an ethereal creature with your knuckles or even regular weapons. Only magic weapons, or maybe special metal weapons (lead, gold, adamantine, obdurium???), certain spells (force damage) might harm ethereal creatures while you are at the Prime. And provided that you can see the ethereal creature to direct your attack or spell (truesight works). Most of PCs might not be able to see it. That's why ghosts and other ethereal creatures can be very dangerous to low-level characters. I do not think that this rule should prevent ethereal creatures from passing through undead since they are animated by necromantic magic (not really alive) and feed on the corpse. souls or lifeforce of their living victims. But who really knows?
I know. It is very difficult to rationalize how it works, and it kinda sets into question how the same happens with minerals. Unfortunately they never really explain it, unless i missed it.
I'd say yes because the tissue is no longer alive, especially zombies since they are rotting, liches and skeletons too since they don't have tissue, though vampires might be complicated.
It's the kind of thing that's great when you're having a blast just messing around with magic and friends, but if you come into the circumstance where it actually matters that you have an answer, then you need to put thought into it.
@@MrRhexx and as soon as they do explain they'll come out with a new edition or just a companion guide and blam... New info...contradictory usually cuz they never seem to reference what they've already written heh.
Mr. Rhex: *posts*
Me: *Heavy Breathing*
Exactly i dont know any other channel that goes into D&D lore in such detail .w.
This is my immediate reaction every time haha
@@Florian0799 Try AJ Pickett The Mighty Gluestick channel. Easily among my favourites. Goes very deep into the lore and has half a gajillion videos in there. Definitely worth a watch.
eat better and exercise.
@@wesleydunphy9182 That's physically impossible. I'm already in perfect health, according to my doctor.
"Why should you care about the ethereal?"
NIGHT HAGS
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That's just so cool to see in a channel I respect so much :)
I dig the 'What they don't tell you' series so much!
I don't normally do this, but im gonna go and retroactively like your videos. I think this level of content is gold standard and worth supporting.
Imagine adventurers use "Become Ethereal" to try to steal from a Gold Dragon but the Gold Dragon sees into the Border Ethereal and whoops the adventurers by just swiping because, ya know, gold.
I would make the argument that if Become Ethereal prevents living tissue from connecting with you, it would also prevent dense materials from doing the same as that is described as in tandem with one another.
If it does not prevent living tissue from interacting with you, then it doesn't matter that the dragon is gold. It's living tissue, thus it would hit the adventurers regardless.
I hope I didn't poop on your parade ): I just wanted to point the logic out to someone before someone else does at your tables
@@guyatanosavia8487 on my shroom trip the entire universe and everything was on the body of a dragon 🐉. A voice spoke through me n said I Am the all mighty I Am the Alpha and Omega.
@@WORLDFAMOUSTAROT "I am Alpharious"
@@Benthesniperof8 "This is a lie, *I am* Alpharious."
I am the walrus
I've never played D&D but I always enjoy listening to your videos while I play video games.
The rules for 3E/3.5E specifically mentions that force spells, such as magic missile, actually harm incorporeal/ethereal creatures.
I've been waiting for more on the deep ethereal for YEARS now. Here's hoping my heart could withstand that notification. My players are experiencing their first jaunt into extra-planar travel right now. I need to fight the urge to rush them 2 more levels to get that plane hoping spell proper instead of my first Macguffin.
For years ? In that case, just buy a rulebook.
@@nu1x no because it's not told by Mr rhexx the lore teller master
Probably your best video yet. Very much appreciate the references to where you got the information from, like planescape etc. Also like that you spoke about how some of your observations might not apply to 5e rules, ie force damage. Really helps DMs know how to use this information in their own campaigns by knowing how it could work with 5e
technically the force damage rule still applies, its just that you cant use a wall of force or forcecage to do harm directly (like slamming it on a creature)
i was always interested in the videos but now since i am a new player myself its even more interesting
QUESTION: Of ethereals cannot pass through living people, wouldnt I be able to punch a ghost? or use a living tree/branch to whack one?
Monks can punch ghosts
Some editions, not all, prevented ethereal creatures from passing through living creatures or trees. So I guess it is optional to whether use it or not. But punching ghosts has never been allowed, except for monks. Not being able to pass through living creatures does not harm the ghost.
While they can't be in the same space as another creature you still can't do harm to those in the Ethereal Plane without magic or just being a Monk so you wouldn't be able to unless you did one of the two mentioned.
a ghost cannot interact with anything on a plane other than the one it currently inhabits
I usually prefer when lore videos focus on the creatures and sentient races, but the enthusiasm and work put into these videos makes me fall in love with each one.
I have been waiting for this video for weeks. I love your lore videos MrRhexx. Keep it up bro!
A thief that can manipulate the Ethereal realm to nab anything silver or gold sounds like a fiendish side-villain.
I always love spotting the Magic card art in his videos
11:48 or plants, if my understanding is correct. And it's a lot easier to make walls out of living plants than living people, let me tell you!
*The evil baddy:* Challenge accepted!
This was a thing in the previous editions- plant fanst growing/dense ivy over somewhere to block passage.
21:15 I would change it to:
Chr = blue Str,
because it gives you the power to change people's minds.
Wis = blue Con, because it helps you resist phycic attacks, and avoid making self-harming choices.
Int = blue Dex, because you use it to navagate ideas and solve complex problems.
Switching Wis and Chr makes just as much sense
Here for the algorithm lol keep it up man!
I'm so happy you're coming out with these videos in this series. Wizards is releasing books soon (from what I hear) to give us actual info on other planes and so far we've got Dread Domains well on the way.
Love your work! I plan to support the channel as soon as I can because all your lore videos have gotten me to really improve as a DM and made my long distance drives much more entertaining.
Imagine being denser then lead
What's your problem with uranium anyway?
@@Nikotheleepic Whose ranium?
I think it is more about your will, the method of movement in the ethereal, than the density. Density, extreme density, merely enacts its own unconscious will to "be where it is", while you, living there, create your own space that you exist in, as a solid thing, in the ethereal.
Since the day I started school....
Entering the Plane of Dreams is so easy I can do it in my sleep
My rule of thumb is to ignore any rule "clarifications" that come from jeremy Crawford or any of the other official sources. They make some pretty stupid calls and I consider them on a case by case basis and what my table thinks sounds good
I think sage advice s the best way to clarify rules-as-intended. That being said, rules-as-intended isn't always smart, and departing from it is often the best move.
@@jonathandoe1367 yeah. I just find myself reading alot of sage advice and thinking it's making the most counterintuitive calls at times
@@craigbolton2231 Yeah. That being said, though, sage advice can help you understand the math and balancing of the game. On realism and verisimilitude, as well as D&D lore, they don't seem to have a grip. That being said, it is important to inform your players of any changes you make before the game. I don't think 5 feet of fog cloud should block all vision entirely, but someone who picked that spell might be awfully disappointed if you spring the change on him after he's already spent the spell slot and made it one of his known spells. That would be unfair. As usual, communication is key.
@@jonathandoe1367 aye it's good for some stuff. Its specifically just their rules as intended help that I find annoying. But aye rule discussion between the table is important. For the fog cloud spell specifically I'd assume a fog can be thick enough to block vision regardless of how much area it covers. Density over area. But even as the dm for my group usually I make sure everyone sees it as fair so if they think a rules bullshit and it's not integral to balance or anything then I'll scrap it
@@craigbolton2231 For the fog cloud, I was talking about how in previous editions, you could see the squares adjacent to you if you were in midst of the fog, and anyone outside could see anything on the outside edge (i.e. you could see through 5 feet of the fog). I think this makes more sense, but 5e decided to simplify the spell by having it work like a brick wall or the darkness spell. The problem is that I've seen discussion boards with DMs who kept assumming it worked like 3e, even though it doesn't. It would be a nasty surprise to learn that the spell you just casted won't stop you from taking an opportunity attack, or doesn't stop line of sight from the beholder's eye rays. So, yeah, kindly remember that newer players might not assume the game plays like an edition they've never seen before. :)
My players recently got access to the Etherealness Spell recently, so this was helpful
Great video! Another worthwhile mention is that, unlike the astral plane, at the ethereal plane PCs still need to feed and hydrate. However, on the ethereal plane, it is very difficult (or maybe impossible) to find any food or water, besides those created by magical means (if it works), food/water brought with you, or foraging for an ethereal creature dinner (and maybe dying on the process). So staying too long on the ethereal can be very dangerous, especially if you do not know how to get back to the Prime.
The part about dreams in Etherial kinda reminded me of "The Harrowing" quest from Dragon Age: Origins and the whole battle with sloth demon in dreams
Oh my. I actually really needed dream related stuff for my version of the Quori, who would have thought I'd find that help in this video. This is fascinating, thank you so much hon.
Thanks for the sustenance father
Planning on using Ethereal realm in my next campaign. This video couldn’t have come at a more perfect time.
So can you block a wall in the etherial by growing ivy or other plants over it?
Could you misty step through wall of force? Misty step doesn't say how it achieves the teleport but thematically it seems like it goes through the ethereal, and wall of force specifies that it extends into the ethereal plane.
OMG Thank you for the info on Dscryb this will help my campaigns a lot. I love your content thanks for all the work you do.
Crazy character idea:
A Derro character, meaning a member of a grey skinned, dwarf-like race that is known to be absolutelly batshit crazy, that has lengthy conversations with thin air, so nobody believes their claim to be totally sane.
During the Story, it is revealed, that they are, in fact, totally sane, but cursed to be permanently able to see into the ethereal plane. When they seemed absent minded and said something about "flying fish, dancing around a certain character" they were meaning it, when they talked to the air, they had conversations with different denizens of the ethereal plane, one of which is their friend since early childhood.
This should be accompanied by this character to being able to, for example, see through simple illusions or spot invisible passageways or characters/enemies every now and then. Maybe they suddenly talk to the invisible rogue, like they were visible, possibly blowing their disguise, because they just saw them and forgot that the rogue was supposed to "not be there".
Although this would probably be hard to play and needs a lot of working with the DM, I think this could be an interesting character and could lead to some funny situations, if done right.
I was just looking up information on the ethereal plane! Thanks!
Finally, I was waiting for this video for a long time. Good job! It explains a lot and will help me give my players a more … vivid experience of the Ethereal when they inevitably get there (I have it planned for quite some time).
Great Explanation... still there are some topics arguable, but it depends on your physics theoretical approach... I've suscribed at the ending, Excelent Job Bro ;)
Thank you for the great job Rhexx.
I never posted any comment up to now, but wanted to say I just finished your whole serie of Skyrim LorePlay and I basically have watched every single one of your Lore videos at this point ^^ and well, that was dope man. I'm a huge fan of the Elder Scrolls, thereferore having been able to get so much information, lessons, thinking, theories and all that good stuff in the form that you have given it all felt, very very good, so thank you about it all. Good job sir.
I'll dare ask : can we hope of ever "being back with some more Elder Scrolls Skyrim" ?
No pressure here dude, you do you obviously, just wondering for my part. (In the end the Elder Scrolls Lore shall get dug up whenever 6th comes out and you'll be there at the corner no doubt)
See yah.
I am enjoying this series a lot. It's helping me quite a bit with my homebrew campaign setting.
I love these D&D videos, it’s given a a lot of ideas for the book series I’m writing at the moment
All your sponsers are amazing that was fucking brilliant description at the beginning bravo
One of my projects is a homebrew race of "half-ghosts" who have souls that didn't quite bond to them properly. They take a lot of inspiration from japanese type ghosts and ghost stories. I feel that sort of thing is a relatively good way to connect the material plane and the ethereal plane.
This race is naturally able to navigate the ethereal but it's a bit weird still. They do it primarily through spirit trees, though actual "villages" of them are unusual as they typically show up like plane-touched races, but they can breed true with one another.
I really appreciate these videos. I’m running a campaign based around a plane shifting city and this info is priceless
Great video!
Wow, I was working on a new setting, a prehistoric sort of thing, and the timing for this video is incredible. My idea was that in the beginning there are three goddesses, or guardian spirits, that helped create the world. I imagined that there was this central bit of land, a continent, existing in the nothingness. I stuck a crazy tall tower in the middle with the goddesses on top and the rivers that flow from the center over the edge of this land create the mist of the Ethereal. There is a bit more to it than that but I'm trying to keep this short. I was stuck trying to think of a way to move the world forward from my Idea and this helped get my gears moving. Thanks
I plan on having a high-level one shot take place in part of the Deep Ethereal, where the characters take on what I've dubbed an Astral Lich, so I'm really looking forward to that video...
I think there's such a thing as an astral lich it's part of the Immortals series.
17:48 wait. There's a monster called a meme?!
The internet is full of that monster
Most frightening of all, you cannot determine its power before you meet one; its CR is variable. It can be weak or overpowering. There are those who claim to be untouched by them, yet there are just as many slain. Be wary adventurer!
I came here looking for this comment to see if I was the only one who noticed.
My charecter and his companions were trapped here for 7 years
Another amazing video, great work!
3:54 wait, help me square the idea that dreaming is just the dreamer being transported into the Etherial Realm with the idea of creatures that can eat dreams to become more powerful. I just came from your Nidhoggr video and I think it was in that that I heard you mention this idea.
What an epic series man keep it up!
Because jeremy "I retcon the entirity of DnD" crawford
I've been binge watching all of your videos today and just came to the conclusion that, due to the nature of their existence, Outsiders can't dream, as that would put them in a different realm.
If I am connecting the dots or just way off base, I don't know, but It's an interesting thought.
Love all the love and effort put into your videos!
Silver at 10.40
Makes sense. I always describe silvered weapons as tearing away at the very fabric ov creation ov ghosts and other ethereal beings.
And it seems that due to it being so close to the density ov lead that perhaps it gets caught up in the "flesh" ov ghosts as it passes thru that it tears some away with it on the weapons way out?
magic missile CAN hit creatures on the ethereal (or any other plane) though. You simply need to be able to see them, and be within range. Magic missile specifically says "if you can see them and theyre in range, you automatically hit them unless theyre fully enclosed"
I love how the what they don't tell you series is explained in detail in ad&d
All your videos are awesome
Rhexx: "dream selves"
Me: *HOMESTUCK MODE ACTIVATED*
Why, I can never escape
Very helpful for codifying the dream abilities of the Psi Warrior in my Four Winds game.
Getting lots of ideas for the campaign thank you
I mean to hit a creature on the ethereal with say Eldritch Blast would first require you to target that creature. Next also the range of the spell would probably have to be changed to "sight" rather than a integer. Remember that technically each plane is an infinite distance from each other, this is true with the border ethereal as well.
A wall from a wall of force can be seen to be doing at least one of two things. One it is intruding in some way into the border ethereal. Or creature from the border ethereal can interact with it but not the other way around. Now if you have a force AoE go off I can understand possibly there being some kind of effect on a creature on the ethereal. I am not sure if they would be damaged though or just displaced.
"See invisibility" lets you see invisible things AND lets you see into the ethereal plane. "Misty step" let's you teleport to a space you can see, that is also within 30 feet from you ("vortex warp" will allow you to teleport your friends)... Since the material and the ethereal overlap at the boarder ethereal, one SHOULD be able to combine these two low level spells to travel to the ethereal plane.
Your solid body automatically becomes ethereal when teleported to the ethereal plane. That part is just d&d lore.
So, of you all didn't want to wait until you had 7th lvl spells before going to the ghost realm... There ya go!
I'm a simple man- I see a mention of Pillars of Eternity (especially PoE2), I like
Night time MrRhexx lore video. My favorite.
I have been wanting this for some time now.
This would have been incredibly useful about a year ago when I Homebrewed a Monster that traps people in their dreams and feeds on their psychic energy as they sleep slowly killing them throughout the night.
Basically, the creature exists in the Ethereal Plane near certain areas of the Material Plane and when a creature falls asleep in that area they trap the dreamers in a pleasant dream that could be described as Paradise by the individual character keeping creatures separate if multiple are in the area (Say an Adventuring Party). During the night(s) the creature has people trapped in their dreams they slowly consume the creature's mind taking a point of Intelligence for every couple of hours asleep in that area. The only way to escape is to find a flaw in the dream, focus on that and nothing else, and escape through that flaw into the realm of sleep and dreams where you can find and slay the creature returning yourself and others trapped to their own bodies in the Material Plane.
While there was a lot of information here Im not sure i go answers to the following.
Can you interact with other beings on the ethereal plane?
Do you need food, water, sleep etc?
Can you die?
Anything there that can kill you?
Some material suggests the Astral Plane is the place of dreams so im a little confused.
But the real question all of these are designed to help me resolve Is....
Is the Ethereal Plane a good place for a village of people to be stuck in unstuck from time (like a 1000 years type deal)? or should i look to one of the other planes?
I am DMing my first D&D Campaign tomorrow, will def check out Dscryb to add some flavor. thx, MrRhexx!
Maybe silver does damage exactly because its slightly less dense. Maybe it partially passes trough ripping material from the ghost organs from the inside. Like a radiation or gama knife etc
I suppose since the Kalashtar come from Eberron, things may work differently there, but I thought based on what’s said in the 5E books about the Kalashtar that there is a Plane of Dreams that people go to when they’re dreaming. Unless the Plane of Dreams is somehow part of the Ethereal Plane.
I don't like that dreams are in the ethereal plane and not the astral plane
I think the idea is that when you dream you are creating a little universe of your own. And creating worlds is an ethereal plane kind of thing.
@@jacopobertolotti5025 ya, but that means your dreams are physical locations. That complicates things when you have spells like gate and demiplane where you could potentially bring your dream creations to the material plane. The astral plane already has mechanics that dieing in the plane dosen't kill you just like in dreams. Dreams are a much better outer plane than an inner plane
When you said "a furious battle in the etherial won't show in the real" i've imaginated in an istant to do a whole campaign without monsters in the real and the pc fight a secret battle with extradimensional forces
It seems to me that, if you would rule that silver would also be considered something that is solid to those in the ethereal realm, then the cheapest way to attack a creature there would be to use the same silvered weapons you would use on a were-creature.
Love this series.
the way you feel in the ethereal realm , is the same as feeling I get on a monday morning
I think the intent with wall of force is that the etherial thing is spell specific, not inherently because its made of force, isn't it? Or maybe some lore compromises are made for the sake of balance.
I've always interpreted wall of force to be infinity dense, while only being 1/4 inch thick. This lets it bleed into the border ethereal.
Some of the imagery you used makes me think. Perhaps whatever qualifies as the "northern lights" on your world could be an area where you can accidentally slip into the ethereal plane. Granted, only someone or something that could fly high enough could do so, which leaves the regular, earthbound people to speculate on what it is. Like the ancient Norse thinking that the aurora borealis is the Bifrost bridge to Aesgard. But for those that could reach it, it's a way in.
Love the planar series, but hoping this segways into more of the Deities being covered in depth. I wanted way more of that.
It seems like you have also explained why some valuables are needed for some spells via density
It is worth noting you are literally on another plane, thus spells only reach you if they reach other planes.
I quote:
"While on the Ethereal Plane, you can only affect and be affected by other creatures on that plane. Creatures that aren't on the Ethereal Plane can't perceive you and can't interact with you, unless a special ability or magic has given them the ability to do so.
You ignore all objects and effects that aren't on the Ethereal Plane, allowing you to move through objects you perceive on the plan you originated from."
So you can stand on the material plane, casting dispel magic, or put down a hundred glyps, or run circles around a person with Antimagic field on yourself, but all you'll accomplish is to shove the ethereal creature around by running into it. So stick those glyphs in the border ethereal, or you just make your home needlessly dangerous to yourself.
However, if you get your Etherealness or Blink or such dispelled by someone else who is also on the ethereal plane, then you go right back to the material plane.
Also, keep in mind that solid objects don't outright kill you. You take force damage equal to twice the number of feet you are moved... so most commoners would die from being moved just a few feet.
So you may find yourself suddenly under a lot of solid bedrock and then emerge on the material plane as "chunky salsa" or "red mist" following your sudden extreme acceleration and deceleration upon your return to the material plane.
Exceptions apply, but magic needs to be cast on the same plane (as of 5th edition) to do anything to the creature on the ethereal plane. This was not the case in earlier editions... but the universe has been restructured a few times since then. :)
Edit: I love planar lore and get into it with my characters or as a DM as soon as I can. The hype for the Deep Ethereal lore is real. I love playing with demiplanes! Be it with my characters, or with my villains and NPC's as I DM. Keep it up MrRhexx. This series is your best yet! :)
i've never thought this before let alone felt the desire to say it. your sponser is fcking awesome.
My Bard has an 18 wisdom, 16 int, 18 Charisma. She would be a BOSS in the Dream Veil.
shouldnt be those who in the eathieal can bearly interact with the material but those in the material can almost never interact with the eathirial.
like there almost no spell that let you able to hit a creature in the eathrial you can see them with true sight but cant interact with them at all except if a spell can target a specific creature with a range of sight. which I barely can recall any.
Wasn't there another ethereal video before?
I swear I remember him posting an older video about the ethereal plane
Do a video about the Druid. I love that class.
Very helpful, if one of my COS players dies i plan on him being in the ethereal plane.. then possiy coming back with the ability to cast true seeing thanks to an ethereal wizard..
Uuuuu... Thanks fron Spain. I play pathfinder but I love your videos and use then for my games.
I clicked for the lore stayed for his energy and excitement
I always considered "force" is like magical wind. An ethreal being hit with force is like hitting them with a strong gust of wind.
So the boerder etheral is pretty much Obito's right eyer mangekyou sharingan ability? Okay Kishimoto being a DND player confirmed^^
One thing I despise about 5th edition's oversimplification, is that they gutted/removed so many monster qualities for basically no reason.
Such as the ghosts' physical intangibility, or lycanthropes' resistance to transmutation magic.
I wonder what happens to a psionic or anyone really when a person wakes up while physically in their dream.
Since the dream realm disappears instantly, do you also cease to be?
Do you get a backlash effect deal X amount of damage or damage your wisdom/intelligence?
Are these outcomes dependant and their severity based on if you are a powerful psionic or not?
So if the Ravenloft setting is set in the Ethereal Plane, does that mean you cant enter the Ethereal Plane because that would be leaving Barovia? And would that also mean you cannot connect to other planes of existence at all? Like the inner and outer planes?
And this was something I was just confused on, can Barovia be in ANY Material Planes, Ethereal Plane? Like people from Greyhawk and Faerun all end up in Barovia, or leave from Barovia to another Material Plane.
Love your vids, keep it up! Heads up, though, your silver & lead mass was swapped on your 2nd list image. ;)
Idk... I always felt the TSR styled planes were unnecessarily complicated. And wholey reworked them to be more in line with my comicbook style universe.
Dimensions were alien worlds.
Higher planes were... Oblivion.
Where I sent failed gods, heroes, etc.
If they cannot move through a living creature, then it should be able to punch or strangle someone. I would add on the wrinkle that an ethereal creature has zero mass, so though they could strike, they have no weight to actually do damage. For grip, a lack of mass isn't enough, so bites, strangles, etc won't really be stopped by this. That would just have to be added in as "has zero strength", possibly trying to tie in that since the movement is via thought, not muscle, that muscle does not then pertain to such acts, and the movement to actually cause constriction is disavowed by being ethereal. So it would not be so much that "it is hard" or "it is very solid matter" that causes the blocking of ethereal creatures by lead et al, but that there is no possible way to move through a space occupied by it. So if an ethereal alligator tried to bite you, you would maybe have the cloth crimped for no apparent reason (if it were considered semi-alive because it was natural fabrics), but the skin would not be moved in the least, and therefore no bite could rupture or split the skin to cause damage. If an ethereal boa tried to constrict you, then your cloth would be hard to remove if affected, but when you breathe in, the boa could not prevent your ribs from expanding, not because the force you breathe in is higher than their ability to hold still, but because the area their coils can exist changes.
I would posit that the problem for force missiles and the like is that you would be shooting through ethereal stuff ALL THE TIME, so if it "strikes one creature or surface", then it would never work. The force would have to be directed to that surface to count, and in the material plane, that is constrained to the congealed matter on the prime material, but in the ethereal, a surface of anything, or even just the "air" itself, exists as a potential thing, not a reality, and that reality is formed from will alone, both the will of the observer AND the will of the thing that is "solid", so therefore you have to be cognizant of the object AS an object for the force to actually connect in the ethereal plane. If you can see into the ethereal, therefore, you can decide that your target is any region in the ether that you can decide "it" is. The smoky substance of "nothing" in the ether can just be the target you wish. Maybe that is how things like fireball can explode: you decide the spot that will be "the first solid surface" on the ethereal. However, to use force damage against an ethereal creature you would have to discern where it is first and aim at that thing, and thereby reify it in the spell target as being able to be affected.
That's super interesting, you mentioned that when someone dies in dnd their souls get sorted into going with their gods, he'll or disappear in a wall of shame? But what happens if someone decides to go to the deep ethereal plane to escape the afterlife? Is that even possible?