You know I kinda gotta give it to Steven. He made better points than Steven. Steven had some good points here and there but Steven really won the debate here.
Colin Schmidt you assume their unprepared because most of the time they loose. What your failing to realize is they choose to sit down and they are often being taught about the topics crowder is discussing. They have been parts of debate teams, they have been majors in the topics, new cast workers if anything they should be prepared. Crowded did his homework for the side he believes, are you saying these students are too stupid to think maybe he looked up the topic he believes in and doesn’t have a reason he believes what he does without good reason for public knowledge.
@@gagesmiles no, most of the time they are unprepared. They have other shit to worry about, like, school for example. Crowder's day to day involves maintaining his tool persona and sniffing his own farts.
@@gagesmiles If you'd every seen a university or college debater, you'd know that 95% of them would shit all over Crowder on the social issues. These are just people who took a few sociology courses and may even know the subject better than Crowder does, but they don't have the rhetorical prowess to actually win a discussion with him
@@gagesmiles steven chowder has literally never let the location of one of the "conversations" (aka debates he wont call debates) to anyone. sam sedar has been trying to get him to debate him for a full year and he wont debate anyone outside his change my mind bit. a format thats literally stolen from a canadian comedy routine where americans where asked questions about canada for hilarious results. the coward has a body guard at the events despite there never being anything resembling violence at one of these. he just counts on the fact that not everyone is well versed in the very specific topic he has preped for. and when someone beats him like the socialist dude that called his understanding of the subject autistic he never brings it up again.
I find it ironic that people who bitch about someone debating someone less intelligent then them and winning making a stink about it then are extremely excited about the concept of that person being destroyed by someone my intelligent than them. wouldn't it be cool if we just wanted a quality intellectual discussion with no "destroying". but thats too much to ask from humanity.
I think Crowder’s “Change My Mind” videos are actually a really good lesson for people who typically lean left. This is because most of the guests that appear on this segment usually end up looking bad during the argument. It’s good to learn from their failures with rhetoric.
I like Steven but when he makes stuff like "stupid college girl gets owned by crowder" it's horrible because you market as a nice and rational debate but then go on to call those who you debate crazy and stupid creating them to be embarrassed and attacked online.
@@MrVic-qu9qh crowder is a right wing troll debater who actively chooses college kids who are shit debaters as opponents on complex issues. He would never willingly debate destiny because he knows destiny would come up with good shit.
@@Hemispheresband okay 1, don't tell me who I should like. I hate almost all pundits equally so when I like them I'm really meaning I can tolerate them in order to learn from multiple sides. But in case you'd like to know, I no longer like Steven because of a lot of stuff he's pulled recently.
@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep he so obviously is looking for weak opponents in his change my mind videos. He’s an experienced debater going to places full of people fresh out of high school who clearly haven’t researched their points a day in their life. Just watch the video where he gets bodied by that kid over socialism. He is not looking for open discussion
@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep if you think crowder debates people who he isn’t sure he can win against and posts those debates youre clearly delusional. You’re right that colleges are bastions of far left ideas but there are loads of other venues he could choose when wanting to find leftists, but these areas are filled with more educated people who are better at talking and debating than most college students are.
@@healingv1sion No, it doesn't make a difference. Destiny talks at 2x speed in real life, so when he speeds up a video he and his kind are not in, and then you still want to speed up that recording, the balance should still remain.
logic boy steven coming in hot with the appeals to nature justifying the wage gap? am i listening to a milo video? a civilized society upholds and rewards women for having kids, not pays them less
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 a civilized society can, sure, but businesses are under no obligation to. They'd essentially be spending money to not make money, which isn't a smart business practice- humane and virtuous as it sounds. Bearing children is one of several legitimate factors in explaining the median income gap between men and women.
He always brings his folder to all discussions, because everytime someone on the right debates they get asked for sources or data. How are you mad that he's got a folder or data to back up his arguments. I just dont get it. Perhaps those on the opposite side should be doing the same to make their arguments more believable, but when you sit there with him and throw claim after claim without any data or sources how do you expect people to believe you.
@@generaLRager The issue is he is going in to debate people unprepared for it who are just on the street. Clearly they won't have sources and data on them at that point and obviously shouldn't be required to because who the fuck walks around the street with a binder full of stats on social issues. Crowder then just pulls out his own little bibder to make it seem like he's educated and well cited and correct while his opponens aren't when in actual fact he spends all day coming up with these arguments and is carrying stats around to destroy people in debates who just came off the street with no prep. He's essentially unfairly rigging the debate as he has prepared sources and nobody else does, and shouldn't have any reason to either.
Does male privileged exist? i dunno crowder, do u enjoy pee ing standing up? will your smoking hot 10/10 california dime piece wife ever give you a kid? Who knows the answer to these things, life's complicated questions u genius.
@@generaLRager The thing is he says the debate doesn't need any data and then asks for data multiple times and whips out his binder with dozens of hours spent making. It's like if I said "Let's race but we don't need to use cars we'll just talk it out" and then you jump in your fucking Ferrari and boost off. While Crowder does let people look things up (or I guess tries to force them to sometimes) it makes his opponent look weak and biased as they have to use their phone in hopes of finding a study while he's prepared with a binder full of 100 pages making the debate very unfair. In addition like Destiny said carrying around a 100 page binder full of beliefs makes it really hard to believe your beliefs are willing to change. Also just little things like Crowder only having 1 mic and he always holds it allowing him to steer and block out another person's argument is shitty.
@@Lors_101 OK firstly. He's debating people who are against his position, as such having a binder of FACTS about the topics you cover at Change My Mind events is mandatory. Its nothing like your example at all, totally different thing. Crowder has his beliefs based on the Facts in that binder, as the topic went to abortion because the guest went there and was stating things about what the medical field accepts as viable etc, ofc Crowder should revert to this binder or chart thats based on the science. Because the guest was claiming various things which weren't accurate and using facts to back up your point isn't wrong and shouldn't be frowned upon. Making claims or arguments with nothing to back it up is wrong and should be frowned upon. There really is nothing anyone could say here that will make me think him having his binder full of his findings/facts is a bad thing that should be discouraged. If you are going to debate someone then you should be doing so from a basis of fact if you are to ever pursuade someone of your stand. If you think Crowder will change his mind or his beliefs based on your talking points or feelings then sorry that's not going to work. Crowder encourages people to look things up and not take his word for things, do your own research, this i feel is a major problem with debate today, they look at someone on TV or social media and just copy what they say like its fact. Ofc it makes someone look weak if they are defending a position without having done the research, and that should be the case. If you are willing to debate or argue with someone having not done your research then you should be ridiculed. I dont believe having these events without him having the facts he uses to back up his positions would be very productive if he didn't have them. All it would be is guests saying "do you have evidence to back that up?" "well no, because people watching said it wasn't fair for me to have them" "oh, well I dont believe what you are saying then" That would be the jist of the conversation, how is that productive? You dont have to believe his stats/facts in the binder, but you can then look into them to see if they are truely true or false. See this is problem with having your beliefs based around truths and facts, people will find it difficult to change your mind if you are working from the facts. That's all that matters here, you can argue till you are blue in the face with someone but if they have the facts in their corner you'll never win or come off as stupid. If he gave the mic to people they'd probably steal it or run away with it given what you saw at the start of this event where people came to shout and steal his shit. You have to control debates sometimes to ensure you get to the points, he doesn't cut people off unless they are repeating themselves. Are you telling me having watched all that event that he didn't let the people speak? He did nothing but let them speak and only stopped them to correct their claims which were incorrect or if someone was repeating themselves.
Crowder like many on the right and left, love them circle jerks(oh lets pick the craziest SJW and talk about how they rep.the left and why that is a problem even though they will have no influence on law or politics).
josh Gonzalez yup! If he announces it, people that actually know what they’re talking about will show up. It won’t just be crowder with a prepared argument debating randoms that didn’t expect to get into a debate. The dude could do a “the earth is flat, change my mind” and if nobody has a solid counter argument prepared, he would probably convince his viewers that the earth is indeed flat
I guess I lean mostly "right" politically but watch Destiny's and other "left" people's videos, to try and see the other's perspectives... I've found this to be invaluable when seeking the truth in life, and would recommend it to all people from all sides... Ridding ourselves of our personal bias will help the human race evolve as a species imo.
More center myself, but yeah. I try to consume stuff from an equal amount of conservative and liberal RUclipsrs & News Outlets. When you do that you really come to topics better equipped and more open minded.
I like how Crowder cuts the first guy off while he's answering Crowder's question, then gets butthurt when the guy cuts him off. I try to be open-minded with differing viewpoints, but Crowder isn't here to have a rational conversation, he's here to make the other guy look as awful as possible so he can confirm his base's bias. What a weasely little liar, dude.
Well, yes, kids say the darndest things has become an entertainmentindustry on its own. This is crowders funniest segments. Why dont you want the kids to speak?
"That's not a privilege that's an advantage" privilege: a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group. synonyms: advantage
@@wartome3196 I agree partisanship is pretty toxic. I would hate to try to converse with someone who I thought was arguing in bad faith on an ideological basis. With that said it's pretty well known that these words are interchangeable.
@@wartome3196 An advantage given to a particular person or group is the definition of privilege. They are essentially interchangeable in the context it is offered in since it's on the basis of having an advantage. But if you're going to be using the word privilege and advantage interchangeably in a different context then I would agree with you.
college kids exactly. roflmao they are supposed to be smart and capable of doing research or just plain critical thought. also I have never seen a professor sit down and be refused. even with ben shapiro. he has answered questions from lots of professors who mostly all sound retarded.
Nobody gives Sam Seder the time of day. He is a simpleton, bad faith actor, and his channel is dying. TYT network is dying, people are not going to help him while he suffers and dies. Why do you kids nag about him and debates? He does not debate anybody, he has only debated stephan, and all he did was ask questions because he was uninformed
@@mayainverse9429 capable of doing research on the spot while on camera? You know he doesn't announce when he does these sorts of things until the day of
he is not on a random street corner talking to people who have had very limited exposure to lefttard talking points. he is going to universities witch are supposed to be the most elite places for learning in the country talking to people who are full supporters of said ideology not sure what you mean. alot of these people he tlaked to had fucking signs stating their ideology roflmao.
@@mayainverse9429 Facts do not matter to leftists, they like lying to themselves. It is a weird phenomena, universities should do some research on this psychology. A guy who never went to university debates universitystudents, and universityprofessors, and that is unfair on them, hahaha. He also debated a googreexecutive in one of theese, guess that was unfair too, hahaha.
Mana Montana you think a college where 18-24 year olds are STILL learning would ever challenge the “intellect” of crowder who’s been a political figure for over a decade? If he wanted to seriously discuss these things why wouldn’t he go for people actively on their knees begging to debate him like Sam Seder? Edit: and even then crowder doesn’t announce the subject beforehand, and comes with a binder of sources. If crowder with a decade+ of experience needs a binder what makes you think college kids are gonna have all this + debate skills to go against a dishonest fuck
On the inhereted wealth of whites at 17:23. You can just measure all this by wealth, not by race. White people who are poor for reasons other than the discrimination blacks faced are now relatively just as economically disadvantaged as the black people who are poor. You cant just throw all whites into a category of privileged and all blacks into a category of not privileged based on this.
@@friendly1016 generational wealth doesn't work like that, it's not an upward trend or else we'd all be super rich, there's gains and losses throughout generations, the arguments of collective guilt or collective advantage based on a historical basis is absolutely useless and only used to be divisive, the only thing that matters when talking about privilege in today's society is economic privilege, the white vs black shit is a complete waste of time, it makes the debate blacks vs whites rather than poor ppl vs rich ppl.
@@nonono9194 you’re under a false assumption. Generational wealth does accumulate. This is why even though Asians have a higher median income yet still have a lower median wealth than white families. People inherent cash, investment, cars, houses, get their college paid, etc from their parents. It’s not the only factor, but one reason black college students end up graduating with more debt than their white peers is because they hold the responsibility of taking care of their families as college grads. Since white families have over seven time the amount of wealth as black families (median), this will cause the gap to continue to rise, which has been the current trend, to no economists surprise
I'll never understand why people come to sit down with crowder, when they dont seem to know what it is they believe, much less being able to defend it. It's hilarious none the less.
I agree mostly with that, but I would argue that by learning/hearing a new idea, thinking about it, and discussing your ideas with others is how you ultimately come to different ideas/understandings on things. Some people just go to battle with sticks thinking they’re guns lol
@@chefboyarsteve820 You are 100% correct. But people never say that, when they mean to express that. They short-hand it to just 'I hear it, I change my mind'... which is as dumb as 'I hear it, I reject it'. Both are the same issue from the opposite extreme. They have the exact same flaw. Now they don't mean it that way (or so I hope)... but saying it that way leaves it to be understood that you don't think it through, you just hear it and accept it. So many people have told me they tell people this and get blank stares... and I get why, what they said is stupid and doesn't track. What they MEANT however, is more akin to how you express it.
Your argument that those men don't deserve praise for ending the oppression of women because they started it, doesn't really hold up. They didn't start anything, but they did put and end to an old established system and I think that does deserve praise.
I get where you’re coming from but I have to disagree because if those women didn’t make a fuss about it, then our right to vote would’ve been delayed for years.
@@sana-qx1pr I disagree with that point. For instance, woman have yet to advocate against these issues that men face: there is a ban on female circumcision but not male in the western world. Male suicide rate is higher than female and still rising. Male treatment in family courts. All issues men are facing in the western world to name a few and woman or woman's rights advocates, which are supposed to be activists for "equality", either are ignorant or refuse to bring up. The day that all of these things end, and im sure woman will be involved in ending these things, can our response to them be "Well, you didnt bother to try to change it until we made a fuss about it so boo to you" Would that be an appropriate response? I think not...
@@Cocobunji I see where you're coming from, and you're right, I think women, in general, are pretty dismissive of those issues. But I can't see how praising the people who enforced a restrictive system are worthy of it like they were so enlightened when it was advocacy that opened their eyes.
@@sana-qx1pr It’s because you can’t just cast a wide net and say things like that. The men of that time didn’t create the laws that woman couldn’t vote. In fact, they were completely different people. The biggest problem with identitarians is they say statements like that. That those men are a representative of all men past, present, and future. That’s just sexist pure and simple. Those men aren’t the same men. On a factual basis and on the conceptual basis that they voted for woman having the right to vote
How does Crowder think “who gave women the vote” is an argument AGAINST male privilege? Someone should have responded “male privilege is having the ability to decide who gets to vote. Just like deciding who gets access to birth control etc etc”
@@Luxembourgish That's unrelated to his argument. There is no discussion of whether it was male privilege; the discussion is about whether male privilege is something that should be defended.
@@TheHadMatters I'm pretty sure what he said was "male privilege is having the ability to decide who gets to vote. Just like deciding who gets access to birth control etc etc" to list examples of male privilege to defend its prevalence. Those are all however outdated and moot examples. Maybe I'm unclear on what his position is.
All things being equal, someone with a specific trait has it easier. The conversation of privilege doesn't do much to advance the conversation on any particular issue. It degrades the conversation to whose life is easier. The problem is in real life, things are almost never equal. Especially when we are comparing two individuals and it's incredibly hard to quantify. It is almost always better to point to a specific issue and argue to that point.
No but we can look at trends to identify underpriveleged groups and, from that point, work on identify and fixing the factors which result in their underpriveleged status.
@@LoudWaffle this is exactly the kind of thing I would be on board with. Identify a trend, find the cause, treat the cause. The problem is when we start labeling very large demographics with “privilege” it doesn't do much to accomplish the agreed-upon solution.
@@austinrush446 Well that's exactly what labelling certain demographics as priveleged and others as underprivileged does, except for the fact that there are no agreed-upon solutions. There is a vast multiplicity of solutions being attempted to address these issues, some work, some don't, many others are being developed, and many are shot down due to the flaws in the societal structure (maintaining class balance, personal interests of politicians, partisan politics, etc).
His voice isn't nearly as annoying as his shady discussion tactics. Talking to unprepared and unqualified people on the street over extremely nuanced topics is not going to change his mind or anyone else's. He's paid to record himself making arguments that sound good but don't hold water, and he strengthens those arguments by ensuring that the people arguing him aren't on equal enough footing to give these topics the challenge they require. Not to mention he'll twist facts or outright lie to support his reactionary beliefs and those of his audience.
I mean, I think the first guy in the interview brought up a good point, which was to challenge the framing of the conversation. With the framing of "change my mind" an outside observer with no context of who Crowder is could very well mistake the conversation for a good faith dialogue of someone who has a position, but is open to having that opinion change. Without challenging that framing from the get go, any interlocutor is going to be setting themselves up for disaster to an outside audience because Crowder has a whole folder of talking points that he will dig into to make sure he never gives an inch on his position.
KOLN555 ....not true you don’t have to come and sit down and when you do he explains to Everyone what it is he is doing and what his point of view on it is .
@Shy Brotha Speaks You can change someone's mind by influence. That's the point. Either way it's just a name. He debates people who are confident in their views. If you have such conviction in views you can't even back up against fixed points, you have no business holding that view with anything near the amount of conviction you do. If anything, it should change their mind to either reinforce their belief in their viewpoint by proper research, or be more open to it not being quite as black and white as they once thought. There's also the possibility of changing one's viewpoint entirely. Regardless, it's not as cut and dry as you're intentionally looking at it. That sort of thinking is what creates the types of people we make fun of on both sides of the battlefield.
It’s not a chess league you don’t have to play people exactly at your level. It’s an open dialogue format if you know you arnt well versed in a topic don’t engage.
"I wish i could get on one of crowders change my mind". If its possible Destiny can try to figure out where the next change my mind will be and film it so if crowder denies trying to speak to him it shows hes scared.
The events are not announced beforehand. If they were protestors would get them shut down, and terrorists might do an action, so he would not get a permit if he announced it. You would get terroristanarchists bussed and flown in from all over the westcoast.
DNC ISKKK that’s the reason, surely the reason isn’t because he wants to target uneducated kids and ensure the chances of someone who does this for a living doesn’t show up
@@youare5907 no you're wrong. Leftists occupy a soace where they are simultaneously weaklings who don't leave the house but also highly organised members of the SAS who are capable of carrying out terrorist attacks.
How come I haven't seen Destiny debate ANY known conservatives? The most known person I've seen him debate that are conservative, is NoBullShit and Jesse L Peterson. Both who he humiliated. I want to see him debate Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, or even the neutral Jordan Peterson...
@@lukaszmarzec1226 I probably am wrong! I mean it's not like political figures with as much experience as Crowder literally get on their knees and beg Crowder to debate then and Crowder ignores them to go after kids. i.e Sam Seder
That would be cringe AF Destiny is only able to debate two digit IQ people online. Change my mind - if Destiny wants to be taken seriously from non leftists and just Democrats/Republicans. After this COVID stuff he should man up... and actually see Crowder, Ben Shapiro or even David Rubin in person. And debate them. All 3 openly allow people to speak and welcome people like Destiny to the Frontline. Something tells me Destiny is scared to do it since deep down he's afraid his ego will shatter just like every other person on the left that debated those 3. I have seen only 1 person succeed against Shapiro. Maybe Destiny can be the next person if he has the courage to do it.
Jonathan Tedesco you’re trolling. Destiny has requested debates with each of those people. They decline or don’t respond. Tell your idols to man up and stop debating teenagers at colleges.
I’m mostly on Crowder’s side on most of these talking points but I would LOVE to see Destiny debate him. That would very interesting and would actually challenge Steven appropriately.
When Steven started debating Steven i was like daaannnng Steven is about to get wrecked by Steven and he did! I am so glad Steven researched enough to put Steven in his place!
@atomicapple5537 you dislike one of the most likable people on the political sphere lmao. I am not talking about the h3 debate dumbass. I am talking about the politcon debate that was cancelled by crowders dad. That's why ran away years ago. Steven crowder approved of Alex jokes storming in a tyt panel and has harassed people in public. He deserved all of that and worse
It is annoying how he says "im just a comedian" when he literally runs a media company that talks about politics. Also, can't find any comedy nights from him anywhere.
He isn't a Ben Shapiro, he's more comedy based and the show is presented as comedy rather than serious. Anyone can see that if they've watched an actual political show vs a comedy show taking the piss.
DanteGhee that’s because he’s exclusively on RUclips. The same way you don’t find comedy podcasts in real life as shows. Because their podcasts and not meant to be viewed by a standby public audience but by an online audience after the podcast/show is done.
You hit the nail on the head Destiny. The problem with the term “Rape Culture” is the name. Just like you said, it should have a more appropriate name like “Consent culture” (I would guess sex entitlement culture would be more appropriate). However, people wouldn’t bat an eye with a less “spicy” term. The idea is to choose the most scandalous term so it will get a response. The problem then is that you group it with other instances of rape culture where rape actually comes into play. It is simultaneously a watering down of the term, an attempt to make less egregious offences seem worse, and an attempt to obfuscate those offences under the umbrella of rape. It is disingenuous to assume that people will automatically know that rape culture doesn’t refer to actual rape. Same problem as when one labels any right winger or centrist as “alt right” or Nazi.
Notice how narrow the path is that Crowder keeps the conversation on. No room for expanding the scope of the topic to include historical context and cultural context. Also he’s very happy to chime in with “I would” anecdotal evidence but jumps straight on anyone else who mentions something anecdotal.
Cuz people tend to ramble off topic. No historical or cultural context? Do you just watch clips of him made by angry leftists? Dudes a history buff and knows cultures of many countries
The rape culture take was way off. Not even close to reality. Destiny just described some weird offhand dealing with rejection after a date /sexually frustrated men/ nice guy syndrome issue and called it rape culture. That's not how anyone ever talks about rape culture, rape has nothing to do with what Destiny described. Rape culture means a culture where rape happens far more than expected or when some cultural phenomenon results in rape becoming an accepted part of society (think an extension of Hollywood's impact on society argument but rape). The main argument appears to be "Everyone I know knows someone who was raped, therefore rape must happen all the time". The left blames it on under-reporting due to the system causing too much trauma for it to be worth pursuing charges, and even those that are reported, are discredited by law enforcement. Extremely unlikely to be true, but it's a logical extension of their anecdotal evidence. According to stats I've seen, ~50% of rape victims are college age, which clarifies why female college students would be the most impacted by rape culture. I would love to see a stat comparing college-aged rape victims relative to other crimes in that age group. There is an unquestionable sex culture in college, rape culture on campus really isn't that far of a stretch. The right just says its bullshit cause as a whole rape isn't out of proportion nor is there any evidence of law enforcement malpractice regarding rape. The opposite is often true, some women seem to get an unbelievable amount of credibility despite a lack of evidence. With Kavanaugh and all the other crazy shit mainstream media blew up just to be constantly wrong it's no wonder the right disregards it. TL;DR: Top 5 worst Destiny takes, change my mind.
Aspectioner I agree with your take. Although what Destiny described could play into rape culture massively. You even identified this behaviour as nice guy syndrome, which suggests that it is a pattern of behaviours that is observable amongst men who are rejected. (This is conjecture, although i will do a Count Dankula and say that I have watched a lot of r/niceguy videos that show men exhibiting this behaviour). Do you not think men becoming angered when they’re rejected, so much so to the point where it is highly uncomfortable for women, may push women into a position where they are afraid to reject men, and therefore sleep with them out of fear of angering them further? I have no stats to back anything up here, though. I’m not too invested in this particular point. Just thought I’d offer my opinion.
I don't know how you've gotten 21 likes for this comment lol. Never mind that it was obviously real for fifteen different reasons, but you failed to recognise the main one: how insanely reckless it would be to stage something like that. All it'd take is for some internet sleuths to ID the "actor", or for the actor to act poorly, or for one of his crew to leak the bit, and Crowder would be dead. Imagine if it came out that he'd recruited a black friend to dress up as a transgender rape-victim so as to act in that manner. It's no conspiracy. He just has deranged, self-important Leftists interrupt most of his videos.
Crowder: "There are examples of Male Privilege, for sure, but there are also examples of Female Privilige" WOAH WOAH hold up.....you said Male Privilege was a myth. Did you change your own mind??? This is why you don't pull out "what-a-bout-isms". It ends up looking like you've conceded.
@@BT-oj1bn yea obviously. However, this is not his original position. Part of his style is to say something edgy/inflammatory, and then walk it back later in the conversation.
The male privilege that he accepted exists is the inherent biological advantage men have over woman, but the male privilege that he says is a myth is the societal male privilege
Destiny, you absolutely are a god of debate, not to simp too heavy here, but your shit literally changed my life. I was an anti sjw centrist years ago until I came across your content, then I watched you demolish EVERYONE who came within your range. I learned a lot from you, and I absolutely know I’m far from alone. You should be proud of your place in modern history - I genuinely believe you will be remembered as someone who helped change culture one day.
2:13:15 Lmao even Crowder accidentally called her a she before correcting himself into wrongly saying gentleman instead. Then was like, "...oh sorry, my mistake"
I mean because she/he kindve looked like a girl so he called her it. But how TF am I meant to know if the girl who's clearly a girl uses they/them pronouns and she gets pissed when I call her a girl accidentally after she told me.
20:30 thought error: youre generalizing. the white people who created voting rights for women werent the same white people who supressed them. thinking in collectives is full of prejudice.
What the heck is this "unearned privilege" buzzword. Do you earn good parents? Do you earn a high IQ? Do you earn good teachers or a healthy psychological state? The majority of everyone's privilege is unearned.
@@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe I would think the opposition of earned priv might be someone who has earned wealth and power and has certain privileges others don't. IE the ability to make more money with that money. Better lawyers against legal action, what not. Maybe. Idk. Un earned being someone who was born into wealth and into a system that continues to make them more wealth near autonomously.
It's about trying to earn it and not waste it. When you have something others don't failing to maximise is wrong as their is a waste in potential. Essentially it's the idea that when you have a befefit you try to make it so you could have deserved it,even if you didn't at the point of receiving. At least that's my initial imprrssion
You, or someone better equipped than an 18-year-old on campus during their second semester, should figure out when and where Steven's going to be doing one of these. Act like a student approaching, then just obliterate his arguments and catch him completely off guard
Destiny: NO. The men don't deserve any credit! Destiny 5 minutes later: I mean I guess they deserve a little credit. Of course the people who voted for the rights of those that were without should have that action praised. Come on..
That's not the point though. It's a good thing what they did, the only right thing, but crowder is trying to frame it like men liberated women and women didn't know what's actually good for them and society. Men voting for the correct position is good, but never ever worth of singling out as if they "saved" women in this context imo.
"If you enslave someone for 100 years and then let them go that's not a positive in your report card." I think you are missing the fact that the people who enslaved others were of a different generation/were different individuals than those who freed the slaves. They absolutely deserve credit for seeing the error in what was previously done, and suffering through the difficulty that comes with losing privilege. This has to be the viewpoint we take because otherwise we are disincentivizing the cessation of harmful practices. The people taking these risks to do what's right have to be looked upon as heroes and celebrated otherwise far fewer people will go through with it and we will be worse off.
You’re arguing from a practical “how do we get more people to support X” type of position but that’s not what Destiny is arguing. You don’t deserve credit nor blame for ending oppression after people have continually begged for it. Its just a matter of duty as a fellow citizen. Same way we don’t give anybody credit for legalizing gay marriage.
@@halochampion342 I just don't find this argument convincing. We praise people for performing their duty especially at cost to themselves, think firefighters risking their lives going into a fire for example. Whenever some does the right thing they should be memorialized, praised and held up as examples of who we aspire to be.
Destiny talks about how tv shows could make men doctors and women nurses but he forgets it also paints the picture that nursing is feminine and not for men.
The problem with the male sexual assault numbers is that most men would never admit to being sexually assaulted or raped. It would be too humiliating. If I were ever raped, god forbid. I would take it to my grave.
@@Ash-jm3pd of course it is, but the reason for not saying something is completely different. For a woman, I imagine they don't speak up out of fear. Whereas men don't speak up because it is embarrassing to admit you got abused by a woman. But of course, there is that gray line where the reason could be the same for both men and women.
When they’re talking about giving women the vote Destiny is talking as if all men have a collective mind when it comes to giving themselves all rights. Men that went against other men that wanted to keep all power with 1 gender should be thanked for standing up for women! Just because they’re all men doesn’t mean they had a change of mind. It meant that enough men thought that the current Norm at the time was wrong.
Crowder really has a “change my mind” segment where all he does it entertain a crowd and try to score points. He has no intention of his mind being changed and then he has to go out and tell other people that he is actually willing to have his mind changed.😂
thats because he, as well as all people who come in with facts and logic, know that they're right... and they are. No one has yet to change his mind because guess what... they're liberal snowflakes that cant handle reality and instead have to go back to their safe spaces.
@Kat It's called history Kat. Most oppressed people didn't stand up for themselves, only a select few did. We repeat the same history over and over to different minority groups. It's just shocking we haven't learned yet. Plus my grandmother was one of the silent supporters scared she'd face consequences.
I just start watching your videos. Im happy i found you. A lot of people on the left are idiots and can't make actual arguments or point out when the other side is wrong. Its a breath of fresh air to find someone who can actual properly debate. I hate one sided fights. I love evenly matched fight. Or at the very least being on the same battlefield. I find most people who lean left tend to not even make it to the battlefield. I want to see more people like you on the left. So people like me can hear good opposing ideologies.
There's a lot out there you just have to look for them. I can't think of any off the top of my head other than atheists who also do politics every now and then.
@@tuffdude7795 If there really were many of them out there, wouldn’t you be able to think of a few off the top of your head? In my experience they’re actually quite rare. And there’s a good reason for that: people on the modern left typically see their side’s views as being both obvious and morally righteous. When you feel that you are on the side of the angels, fighting the forces of evil, you feel much less compelled to actually have well-researched positions you can defend via intense argumentation. After all, if you believe, for example, that you’re on the side that is against racism, while the other side accepts or even advocates racism, do you really need to think through that position very much? No, you don’t, because for most people it’s obvious that disliking people based purely on their race is wrong. The error the left makes is that they don’t truly understand the views of many people on the right, which are typically much more complex than simply liking racism, or sexism, or hating immigrants, or any of the other straw men that are typically believed in.
I like how, whichever argument is put forward, Destiny sees three steps ahead and calls out the outcomes. I used to like the Change My Mind segments, before I knew better and started listening to counterpoints from other debators. Subbed
You cannot say that the original slave owners were doing good by purchasing people and moving them against their will to work against their will. You can however admit that the descendants of slaves have superior living conditions in the US than in most African countries. Because of this truth, you actually can argue logically that black people in the US benefit from what you would call "white privilege". White privilege means having higher living standards. Being white in a place makes it more likely that that place has higher living standards. If you live in a place with people that have higher living standards, you are likely to have similarly high living standards. Black people living in areas that have higher living standards due to white privilege are benefitting from white privilege.
Everyone in the comment section is talking about how Steven "only debates college students" or people with low criteria. That's the whole point of these segments. There are so many people that are misinformed with information that act like they know what they are talking about (like everyone at these women marches). People need to stop pretending like they are politicians, and that goes for liberals OR conservatives.
I think that’s a very charitable take. It’s not like he goes out to rodeos and debates conservatives about how immigration benefits the economy. He’s not trying to say “the general populous is ignorant about politics.” Which is a statement I would generally agreement, he’s trying to say “the LEFT is ignorant about these issues.” That’s why people criticize him for only debating college students and dodging real debates with people like Sam Sedar. He’s spinning a narrative.
Goddamn you're so much more sane than anyone else on the left, people like the guy he was interviewing only make me slightly left leaning of center slightly libertarian.
@@chossenone730 More so back then, I have a better established world view now. I never needed others to change my mind, but I've always been open to people helping me along the way. :)
@@speedfastman Sam Seder is a TYTer, and a bad faith actor, persona non grate. He is a terrible being working for a terrible organization, TYT. Destiny is a nice guy, and has a pretty unusual life with stories to tell. Destiny also has crossover appeal to bring in new viewers. And another thing, everytime TYTers are invited to conservative sites, their freeloading subs spam the commentsections for 1 year. So your actions make it impossible for that reason alone. You have destroyed JLPtalks commentsections after he interviewed sam and kyle.
I'm confused at Crowder's pay gap statistics, "when you account for everything, women are actually payed more but exactly the same" (which is already a really badly worded sentence) but also he is ignoring the fact that the adjusted pay gap is still 5%.
The important thing to remember is that stats change over time. Such a small difference as %5 higher wages for women could have changed to %5 higher for men in the time between crowder’s video was made and the destiny’s stream, or between destiny’s stream and the time you wrote this comment. The point is that they are so close that the difference is negligible.
@@callumross6290 Do you have any sources for that? I cannot find any evidence to show that it has fluctuated back and forth. And 5% is almost two year's worth or normal raises for a salaried job, so that is quite significant.
Hannah Batchelder Listen to destiny, even he admits something as low as 5% is insignificant. I do not wish to argue over what is significant or not, because it is such a subjective term and frankly the argument is trivial. No I do not have sources to suggest that it did change, that is why I said “could have”. Go ahead and do your own research though. I’m not advocating for either destiny or crowder here, just that you picked an extremely trivial point of this video to focus on considering it was amongst several other important talking points
Remember when destiny argued that conscious experience isn’t a good factor in Considering whether or not abortion was appropriate? Pepperidge farms remembers.
Of course he doesn’t. If you’ve watched some of his philosophy videos on the channel, he consistently reaffirms that he doesn’t see the inherent value of consciousness nor really even believe in consciousness as a cencept lol
"You don't get props for not oppressing someone" If someone was being oppressed historically by your ancestors and you were taught to oppress them and you decide not to oppress them despite having more to gain by oppressing them and things to lose by not oppressing them. Then yeah, you get props. Destiny is using that argument in the wrong situation. If a black person is walking down the street and I have a choice to yell a slur at them or not yell a slur at them then no I don't get props for deciding not to verbally assault someone. But these are entirely different situations. The first situation is more like a king freeing his fathers slaves that would otherwise be his slaves through inheritance. Also, you don't get to use the Jim crow caused black people not to have generational wealth argument when it comes to men and women because women inherit what their fathers acquired. So while men had the generational advantage that generational advantage gets passed on to the women of today. That includes nepotism.
He's relating Jim Crow to say just because there's a law passed to stop the oppression of a group of people, that it doesn't immediately fix itself or the societal views of that group of people
His claim that "most women didnt want to vote" isnt even substantiated. This Is impossible to prove even if it Is theoretically possible. The fact is there were women who bought into the idea that a "woman" has a place i.e to raise a child and church and at home which were taught to her by other men and women much like Jesse Lee peterson thinks black people are dumb despite being black. Fact is many women wanted to vote and be in politics and even those who didnt want the right to vote, voted when they got the right. They also gained support from white supremacists and religous nuts and were inconsistent so obviously they lost the argument. It took women years to protest and cause disturbances so that the powerful men could finally give them those rights. The only real praise goes to the women who faught for EVERYONE to vote regardless of ideology and without thosesuffragettes, this wouldn't be the case today with the men in power who were so reluctant for centuries. Same for eliminating slavery. I'm sure some slaves wanted to be enslaved too. Its irrelevant. The point is to get that CHOICE and right and men didnt want to see that happen until thanks to the suffragettes who protested until they had no choice. Crowder is an idiot as usual. Also destiny the violinist argument isnt a "shit" argument it's there to show the importance of BODILY AUTONOMY. Simple. Get educated on this destiny
Mario mario your response doesn’t even touch his point. Voting wasn’t considered a right of citizenship until the 60s or whatever, at the time you had to volunteer with your fire department regularly, sign up for the draft, and a multitude of other requirements. Regardless of you thinking that everyone voted except women and that women must have thought that they “had their place” to hold their views has absolutely no relation to what was discussed. Try again I believe in you 😂
@@aabbcc7532 what the fuck are you talking about? I said REGARDLESS of whether "most" women wanted to vote or not, the entire suffragette movement pushed those men in power to actually provide that right and freedom so we thank those women for even caring. Try reading and comprehending what I said next time kiddo
@Burak Ormanoglu literally nothing you said is remotely tied to reality. Many women wanted the right to vote and it took a long time for them to gain that right thanks to powerful men and other women who got indoctrinated into your trash conspiracy so we have THEM (the suffragettes) to thank for every woman regardless of gender to gain that right Lol your nonsensical " it's just natural" trash is beyond cringe worthy. Maybe try acting like a fucking adult and not spew utter trash you parrot in your little echo chamber. Then maybe you'll be taken seriously kiddo
@Burak Ormanoglu lmao so rather than provide any sources you rant about some conspiracies you pulled out of your ass and continue to lie even after I've refuted them. Sounds like you really know how to debate "professionalle" See kiddo I can play that game too. So let me teach you how to "debate" you start with a premise and then make sure those premises are not only valid but sound with sources. Il wait until you grow up pull on your big boy pants and do so.
Just a thought, males don’t get taxed for condoms (a form of birth control typically provided by the male for sex that is optional) yet females get taxed (luxury tax which is higher than a state tax for items considered “not essential”) for feminine hygiene products like tampons and pads which we are essential. That is an instance I have seen evidence of male privilege within the law.
I somewhat disagree with Destinys thoughts during the 'giving women the right to vote' segment. You have to consider the context of the era and the social reality those people were raised into. You assume these were bad people who spent a lifetime treating women shitty and then went "aiight you can vote now, ill pat myself on the back". They went against the social norm of their predecessors/peers/youth and pushed legislation to further equality. I think that is a good action. If you are quick to call out straw mans Id argue the Hitler comment was a straw man. Hitler stopping Hitler makes Hitler good doesn't equate well to someone saw something they thought wasn't morally appropriate and worked t'words changing it. I'm sure Destiny and I could dive deeper into data and find supportive facts. But using Hitler, the leader of a facist regime, is subversive to the way our government is structured. Whats so immoral about amassing influence and then using your influence to better something or right a wrong? Also, can we stop comparing people with Hitler so often.. its usually wildly exaggerative and weakens arguments.
The social movements allow the context in which elected people do their stuff, once you're here with the power and the social backup it is really not heroic to push a progressive law. Also the point is that men do tend to usurp the successes because they are in that position of power that gives them the final word and hinders the struggles that necessarily come before. In fact, a lot of times, elected people are not that progressive and enact progressive reforms only when they feel obligated. "Whats so immoral about amassing influence and then using your influence to better something or right a wrong? " That's not how politics work. You do not decide to amass influence, you get to gain influence based on opportunities given by your social background. You also need the work of others to get there and push political projects, you don't just come with your personal ideas. The law just formalizes how things already run, the whole credit should be given to those who change how things run, not those who merely acknowledge it by writing a law or just take the opportunity to get elected. Btw, nobody was compared to Hitler here.
What people also fail to remember is that in order to have the right to vote, you were draft eligible. The reason that many women didn't want the right to vote was because of that stipulation. So, it was decided that _for women_ the draft did not apply.
The draft was mainly instituted to fill combat roles. Which women were barred from doing. Would you have liked women be able to actually serve in such roles before getting drafted? Heck, do you think it's travesty that men who were born with physical ailments that precluded them from being accepted in the military got a chance to vote?
I think to some extent destiny’s issue, or mine, is that he looks at all men as a whole. The laws that prevented women voting were put in place before those specific men rose to power. What you do with power is indicative of your character so the fact that those men, who had no real obligation to actually change that law, decided to do so should be recognized at some level but it shouldn’t overshadow the work done by the groups themselves. Not saying they deserve all the credit but they deserve some credit for using the power granted to them in a positive way. Additionally, I’m not certain that the societal privilege granted men exceeds the societal privilege granted to women. I think there’s some advantages and disadvantages to both. For instance a women might have preference when police respond to a DV call but inversely men might be more privileged when it comes to acceptance in certain professions. Or, women might be more likely to receive assistance if she’s seen to be distraught in public while a man might either be overlooked and possibly even denigrated. On the inverse a man might be believed more when making a claim in public vs a women doing the same. My point is I’m not sure I see such a huge disparity here though I’m open to changing my mind on it dependent on the arguments presented.
How hasn't anyone pointed out that the title is 'male privilege is a myth' but in the video Crowder keeps on pointing out things he would consider female privilege? I haven't finished watching, I'm hoping someone will point out the hypocrisy.
Timo Doherty He’s saying that while men have advantages, women do as well, which balances it out ultimately giving men no extra advantages over women. It’s like a scale that’s perfectly balanced at 50/50. There may be something on either side of the scale, but it is still balanced.
crap867 kinda messed up considering he wasn’t expecting a fight. He may have done well against the union guy if he was expecting to fight him instead of the union guy just punching him in the face.
There's something about the smugness of Crowder as he proudly steamrolls teenagers under a mountain of misleading or false talking points that somehow makes this more painful than listening to the NoBS debates.
@@GeneralZod99 why don't we start with just this video? To say men gave women the vote is a misleading framing of what actually happened. It's technically true, but they had to be convinced by suffragists to do so in the first place, they don't get bonus points for finally doing it right after years of doing it wrong.
@@rimsky225 The Suffragists also had to convince other women. It ultimately happened because the draft for women was removed as a requirement for the right to vote. It's not as if all women were screaming for the right to vote. You seem to be framing this as if all Suffragists were women. They weren't. It's like saying that all feminists are women (and women only) and that there are no women that don't consider themselves feminists, _especially_ the current model of feminism. Many women didn't want to have to be eligible to go to war as that was the stipulation for getting the right to vote. In this very example, women received a _special_ right not afforded to men. You can make the argument (as they did) that being eligible for the draft should not be included in the right to vote, but that is the way it worked at the time.
@@CaBdosdos what I'm saying is that they're not prepared (unlike Crowder) and have the added stress of being in front of a camera, something they aren't used to mostly (unlike Crowder). He doesn't debate public, educated (not *being* educated) people And yeah, students are kinds dumb - that's why they students - they're only learning shit and haven't been adults for long so they haven't figured a lot of shit Also the fuck does Destiny's audience demographics have to do with anything
Why does he keep complaining about Crowders dialogue tree. This is how you argue, you do the same exact thing. You develop arguments over time and have counter arguments to common opposing arguments. For instance, you paused and went into your dialogue tree, every time Crowder made points.
a dialogue tree has no choice, that's the difference. It is painting a direction such that there is no other direction, or in other words a false dichotomy. With destiny's points, they are not false dichotomy since he arrives at these conclusions by looking at all the options. Crowder does not do the same.
@@Explicitnice No. Destiny does the same thing and makes points that are just as easily countered. I could do the same thing to this video that destiny did to Crowder and pause every time destiny says something and respond with a counter argument. lel if you think destiny considers every option.
@@Sup3rB4dVideos he does consider every option, you obviously haven't watched him enough, his rationalization is rigorous and has seen many changes. he used to be on way different positions and believe in the same values as bush. You don't get from there to where he is by staying to the options you prefer, lmao.
@@Explicitnice He has changed his positions, but that doesn't mean he considers every option. Also, I didn't say anything about sticking to options he prefers. He will continue to change his positions as he talks to people with more knowledge and better arguments.
I'm having a hard time with the argument that being from the generation that ended slavery, or allowed woman's right to vote cant be a MASSIVE plus and viewed as something that throughout human history SHOULD have been, but wasn't. These systems existed throughout our history in various forms... but it was THESE men that explicitly decided to change the status quo, going against the longest running status quo's, the most insurmountable odds... yet they cant be given any credit because it would make Hitler a good man for killing Hitler?
Wage gap exists because men experience the pressure of wanting to be rich from a very young age. To get rid of wage gap, force women to work even if they hate their job. Simple.
it would be clearly worth it from the perspective of your descendants. btw there is stll rampant slavery in the middle east and Africa but their chances of being worshipped in hundred million dollar stadiums making millions and millions of dollars is exactly 0%.
So fun fact every single link he puts on the screen when talking to the first guy does not support at all what he is saying and they are just long articles in the hopes you don’t actually read them. Look at them.
Fastest way to get me to change my mind on a topic is have Steven crowder start championing the view I have, which is ironic considering he’s the face of the “change my mind” meme.
Notice how Crowder changes his argument from each person just to win? On one hand he says we're equal because a 180 MMA female is less likely to get napped up...but then he consistently calls women weaker...which me he acknowledges on average women are more likely to get assaulted but the opportunity for a successful rape/theft/assault is likely to occur. Edit: my previous statement about Crowder was made before I watched the ending of this video. I understand it's redundant after Destiny just stated the same thing.
You know I kinda gotta give it to Steven. He made better points than Steven. Steven had some good points here and there but Steven really won the debate here.
Inarguably
lol
LUIOFFICIAL AUDIO aren't you supposed to be cooking up some new trash
Are you just here to meme
LUIOFFICIAL AUDIO Nice meme clap clap.
Destiny should leave his house and debate Crowder. Change my mind.
Bogdan Cvetkovic lol Crowder doesn’t debate anyone but unprepared college students.
Colin Schmidt you assume their unprepared because most of the time they loose. What your failing to realize is they choose to sit down and they are often being taught about the topics crowder is discussing. They have been parts of debate teams, they have been majors in the topics, new cast workers if anything they should be prepared. Crowded did his homework for the side he believes, are you saying these students are too stupid to think maybe he looked up the topic he believes in and doesn’t have a reason he believes what he does without good reason for public knowledge.
@@gagesmiles no, most of the time they are unprepared. They have other shit to worry about, like, school for example. Crowder's day to day involves maintaining his tool persona and sniffing his own farts.
@@gagesmiles If you'd every seen a university or college debater, you'd know that 95% of them would shit all over Crowder on the social issues. These are just people who took a few sociology courses and may even know the subject better than Crowder does, but they don't have the rhetorical prowess to actually win a discussion with him
@@gagesmiles steven chowder has literally never let the location of one of the "conversations" (aka debates he wont call debates) to anyone. sam sedar has been trying to get him to debate him for a full year and he wont debate anyone outside his change my mind bit. a format thats literally stolen from a canadian comedy routine where americans where asked questions about canada for hilarious results. the coward has a body guard at the events despite there never being anything resembling violence at one of these. he just counts on the fact that not everyone is well versed in the very specific topic he has preped for. and when someone beats him like the socialist dude that called his understanding of the subject autistic he never brings it up again.
Damn hitler really did kill hitler though
@Reddy Salted oh fuck is that a Golden One reference?
@@Lindyn773 Judging from the link in this nerds channel banner he legitimately believes that shit
The day destiny crashes a change my mind, I will donate so heavy haha. Never watched his streams before
ThFewThProudThLEGIT it’s impossible crowder doesn’t give out the location or subject before hand cause he knows he’d be fucked
Dude me toooooooo
I find it ironic that people who bitch about someone debating someone less intelligent then them and winning making a stink about it then are extremely excited about the concept of that person being destroyed by someone my intelligent than them.
wouldn't it be cool if we just wanted a quality intellectual discussion with no "destroying". but thats too much to ask from humanity.
@@mayainverse9429 What? Last I checked the people who were making "x person DESTROYS x person" were conservatives jacking off Ben Shapiro lmao.
Destiny only goes outside with his girl OMEGALUL
I think Crowder’s “Change My Mind” videos are actually a really good lesson for people who typically lean left. This is because most of the guests that appear on this segment usually end up looking bad during the argument. It’s good to learn from their failures with rhetoric.
I like Steven but when he makes stuff like "stupid college girl gets owned by crowder" it's horrible because you market as a nice and rational debate but then go on to call those who you debate crazy and stupid creating them to be embarrassed and attacked online.
@@MrVic-qu9qh crowder is a right wing troll debater who actively chooses college kids who are shit debaters as opponents on complex issues.
He would never willingly debate destiny because he knows destiny would come up with good shit.
@@Hemispheresband okay 1, don't tell me who I should like. I hate almost all pundits equally so when I like them I'm really meaning I can tolerate them in order to learn from multiple sides. But in case you'd like to know, I no longer like Steven because of a lot of stuff he's pulled recently.
@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep he so obviously is looking for weak opponents in his change my mind videos. He’s an experienced debater going to places full of people fresh out of high school who clearly haven’t researched their points a day in their life. Just watch the video where he gets bodied by that kid over socialism. He is not looking for open discussion
@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep if you think crowder debates people who he isn’t sure he can win against and posts those debates youre clearly delusional.
You’re right that colleges are bastions of far left ideas but there are loads of other venues he could choose when wanting to find leftists, but these areas are filled with more educated people who are better at talking and debating than most college students are.
I like to thank Destiny for not speeding up this debate so I can hear the video and him at the same rate of 1.5 speed.... In this debate.
Is that why everyone complains when he speeds up a video? Loooooooool
@@healingv1sion No, it doesn't make a difference. Destiny talks at 2x speed in real life, so when he speeds up a video he and his kind are not in, and then you still want to speed up that recording, the balance should still remain.
logic boy steven coming in hot with the appeals to nature justifying the wage gap? am i listening to a milo video? a civilized society upholds and rewards women for having kids, not pays them less
Eh, i think Destiny should play them at 1.25x
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 a civilized society can, sure, but businesses are under no obligation to. They'd essentially be spending money to not make money, which isn't a smart business practice- humane and virtuous as it sounds.
Bearing children is one of several legitimate factors in explaining the median income gap between men and women.
“I wasn’t planning on talking about abortion today but here’s a fetal development chart”...
He always brings his folder to all discussions, because everytime someone on the right debates they get asked for sources or data.
How are you mad that he's got a folder or data to back up his arguments. I just dont get it.
Perhaps those on the opposite side should be doing the same to make their arguments more believable, but when you sit there with him and throw claim after claim without any data or sources how do you expect people to believe you.
@@generaLRager The issue is he is going in to debate people unprepared for it who are just on the street. Clearly they won't have sources and data on them at that point and obviously shouldn't be required to because who the fuck walks around the street with a binder full of stats on social issues. Crowder then just pulls out his own little bibder to make it seem like he's educated and well cited and correct while his opponens aren't when in actual fact he spends all day coming up with these arguments and is carrying stats around to destroy people in debates who just came off the street with no prep. He's essentially unfairly rigging the debate as he has prepared sources and nobody else does, and shouldn't have any reason to either.
Does male privileged exist? i dunno crowder, do u enjoy pee ing standing up? will your smoking hot 10/10 california dime piece wife ever give you a kid? Who knows the answer to these things, life's complicated questions u genius.
@@generaLRager The thing is he says the debate doesn't need any data and then asks for data multiple times and whips out his binder with dozens of hours spent making. It's like if I said "Let's race but we don't need to use cars we'll just talk it out" and then you jump in your fucking Ferrari and boost off.
While Crowder does let people look things up (or I guess tries to force them to sometimes) it makes his opponent look weak and biased as they have to use their phone in hopes of finding a study while he's prepared with a binder full of 100 pages making the debate very unfair. In addition like Destiny said carrying around a 100 page binder full of beliefs makes it really hard to believe your beliefs are willing to change. Also just little things like Crowder only having 1 mic and he always holds it allowing him to steer and block out another person's argument is shitty.
@@Lors_101 OK firstly.
He's debating people who are against his position, as such having a binder of FACTS about the topics you cover at Change My Mind events is mandatory.
Its nothing like your example at all, totally different thing.
Crowder has his beliefs based on the Facts in that binder, as the topic went to abortion because the guest went there and was stating things about what the medical field accepts as viable etc, ofc Crowder should revert to this binder or chart thats based on the science. Because the guest was claiming various things which weren't accurate and using facts to back up your point isn't wrong and shouldn't be frowned upon.
Making claims or arguments with nothing to back it up is wrong and should be frowned upon.
There really is nothing anyone could say here that will make me think him having his binder full of his findings/facts is a bad thing that should be discouraged.
If you are going to debate someone then you should be doing so from a basis of fact if you are to ever pursuade someone of your stand.
If you think Crowder will change his mind or his beliefs based on your talking points or feelings then sorry that's not going to work.
Crowder encourages people to look things up and not take his word for things, do your own research, this i feel is a major problem with debate today, they look at someone on TV or social media and just copy what they say like its fact.
Ofc it makes someone look weak if they are defending a position without having done the research, and that should be the case. If you are willing to debate or argue with someone having not done your research then you should be ridiculed.
I dont believe having these events without him having the facts he uses to back up his positions would be very productive if he didn't have them. All it would be is guests saying "do you have evidence to back that up?" "well no, because people watching said it wasn't fair for me to have them" "oh, well I dont believe what you are saying then"
That would be the jist of the conversation, how is that productive?
You dont have to believe his stats/facts in the binder, but you can then look into them to see if they are truely true or false.
See this is problem with having your beliefs based around truths and facts, people will find it difficult to change your mind if you are working from the facts. That's all that matters here, you can argue till you are blue in the face with someone but if they have the facts in their corner you'll never win or come off as stupid.
If he gave the mic to people they'd probably steal it or run away with it given what you saw at the start of this event where people came to shout and steal his shit.
You have to control debates sometimes to ensure you get to the points, he doesn't cut people off unless they are repeating themselves. Are you telling me having watched all that event that he didn't let the people speak? He did nothing but let them speak and only stopped them to correct their claims which were incorrect or if someone was repeating themselves.
Wasn’t Crowder gonna debate Sam Seder but then his dad told him he couldn’t?
He told he couldn't because seder is a jew I believee
Crowder runs away from anyone but a young college kid. Change my mind.
Yup
@@CorporateShill66 Well I cannot. He run away from Potholer54 too.
Crowder like many on the right and left, love them circle jerks(oh lets pick the craziest SJW and talk about how they rep.the left and why that is a problem even though they will have no influence on law or politics).
Destiny you need to go undercover and go on one of these in front of a big crowd.
josh Gonzalez crowder doesn’t announce when and where he’s going to do these though
@@HoneyandCIover Clever bastard. He knows...
josh Gonzalez yup! If he announces it, people that actually know what they’re talking about will show up. It won’t just be crowder with a prepared argument debating randoms that didn’t expect to get into a debate. The dude could do a “the earth is flat, change my mind” and if nobody has a solid counter argument prepared, he would probably convince his viewers that the earth is indeed flat
It also decreases the probability of violence.
Carlos C yes, I know
I guess I lean mostly "right" politically but watch Destiny's and other "left" people's videos, to try and see the other's perspectives... I've found this to be invaluable when seeking the truth in life, and would recommend it to all people from all sides... Ridding ourselves of our personal bias will help the human race evolve as a species imo.
More center myself, but yeah. I try to consume stuff from an equal amount of conservative and liberal RUclipsrs & News Outlets. When you do that you really come to topics better equipped and more open minded.
I’m exactly the opposite but truer words couldn’t be said
human race?? that's not scientific at all
White-Van Helsing lool basically
Unfortunately we're a very small minority. Mostly people on both sides are just looking for information that reinforces their beliefs.
I like how Crowder cuts the first guy off while he's answering Crowder's question, then gets butthurt when the guy cuts him off. I try to be open-minded with differing viewpoints, but Crowder isn't here to have a rational conversation, he's here to make the other guy look as awful as possible so he can confirm his base's bias. What a weasely little liar, dude.
Ding ding ding. That's Crowder's whole shtick in a nut shell.
What a fucking weasely little liar dude
Confident Lime HOLY SHIT DUDE
Well, yes, kids say the darndest things has become an entertainmentindustry on its own. This is crowders funniest segments. Why dont you want the kids to speak?
@@burstingturtle litterally lying dude! Still lying to his audience!
Destiny vs. Crowder were warming up. Excited for this arc
He didnt do well vs jesse Peterson, how would he stand a chance against crowder?
Cause Destiny is kind to the disabled and thus kind and calm to JLP. And btw he destroyed him not even trying lol
@@Fadeinwow Yeah Jesse Peterson DESTROYED Destiny in that debate.
crowder is a fucking coward, no way in hell will he ever debate anyone who knows what they're talking about.
@@1337Divine He only debates ill prepared, college students
destiny setting up a change my mind booth for incest isnt wrong would be some spicy memes
baha, if only he could be bothered, that would be gold.
@@CaBdosdos You obviously don't know destiny very well, why would you bother commenting? lol
Meh, most leftists don’t think it’s wrong
@@CaBdosdos Odd ^^
@@cookiemonsterules ...what? Do you know any leftists?
"That's not a privilege that's an advantage"
privilege: a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.
synonyms: advantage
@@wartome3196 yes?
@@MrCman321 yea ok racist
@@MrCman321 actually though, that guy is in other comment threads so i think he is serious
@@wartome3196 I agree partisanship is pretty toxic. I would hate to try to converse with someone who I thought was arguing in bad faith on an ideological basis.
With that said it's pretty well known that these words are interchangeable.
@@wartome3196 An advantage given to a particular person or group is the definition of privilege. They are essentially interchangeable in the context it is offered in since it's on the basis of having an advantage. But if you're going to be using the word privilege and advantage interchangeably in a different context then I would agree with you.
Crowder been ducking Sam seeder for a WHILE now but he’s quick to debate college kids
college kids exactly. roflmao they are supposed to be smart and capable of doing research or just plain critical thought. also I have never seen a professor sit down and be refused. even with ben shapiro. he has answered questions from lots of professors who mostly all sound retarded.
Nobody gives Sam Seder the time of day. He is a simpleton, bad faith actor, and his channel is dying. TYT network is dying, people are not going to help him while he suffers and dies. Why do you kids nag about him and debates? He does not debate anybody, he has only debated stephan, and all he did was ask questions because he was uninformed
@@mayainverse9429 capable of doing research on the spot while on camera? You know he doesn't announce when he does these sorts of things until the day of
Even JLP called Crowder a beta male for avoiding Seeder lol
Facts
Debating people who you find on the street on a subject of your choosing is a bit like playing chess with your dog, right?
BawjawzMcGraw Exactly 😂
he is not on a random street corner talking to people who have had very limited exposure to lefttard talking points. he is going to universities witch are supposed to be the most elite places for learning in the country talking to people who are full supporters of said ideology not sure what you mean. alot of these people he tlaked to had fucking signs stating their ideology roflmao.
@@mayainverse9429 Facts do not matter to leftists, they like lying to themselves. It is a weird phenomena, universities should do some research on this psychology. A guy who never went to university debates universitystudents, and universityprofessors, and that is unfair on them, hahaha. He also debated a googreexecutive in one of theese, guess that was unfair too, hahaha.
Mana Montana you think a college where 18-24 year olds are STILL learning would ever challenge the “intellect” of crowder who’s been a political figure for over a decade? If he wanted to seriously discuss these things why wouldn’t he go for people actively on their knees begging to debate him like Sam Seder?
Edit: and even then crowder doesn’t announce the subject beforehand, and comes with a binder of sources. If crowder with a decade+ of experience needs a binder what makes you think college kids are gonna have all this + debate skills to go against a dishonest fuck
@@youare5907 Sam Seder is on TYT. And a simpleton. And viewerpoison. Why would anybody help him?
On the inhereted wealth of whites at 17:23. You can just measure all this by wealth, not by race. White people who are poor for reasons other than the discrimination blacks faced are now relatively just as economically disadvantaged as the black people who are poor. You cant just throw all whites into a category of privileged and all blacks into a category of not privileged based on this.
You can if you want to change the tide of representation in all aspects of society, identity politics is very messy, its just how it goes these days
I'm pretttyyyyy sure he's talking about the averages here.
@@friendly1016 generational wealth doesn't work like that, it's not an upward trend or else we'd all be super rich, there's gains and losses throughout generations, the arguments of collective guilt or collective advantage based on a historical basis is absolutely useless and only used to be divisive, the only thing that matters when talking about privilege in today's society is economic privilege, the white vs black shit is a complete waste of time, it makes the debate blacks vs whites rather than poor ppl vs rich ppl.
Can we stop taking Destiny out of context?
@@nonono9194 you’re under a false assumption. Generational wealth does accumulate. This is why even though Asians have a higher median income yet still have a lower median wealth than white families. People inherent cash, investment, cars, houses, get their college paid, etc from their parents. It’s not the only factor, but one reason black college students end up graduating with more debt than their white peers is because they hold the responsibility of taking care of their families as college grads. Since white families have over seven time the amount of wealth as black families (median), this will cause the gap to continue to rise, which has been the current trend, to no economists surprise
I'll never understand why people come to sit down with crowder, when they dont seem to know what it is they believe, much less being able to defend it.
It's hilarious none the less.
You just described most people in general.
They heard some one say it, so they made it their own. Done. That's the extent for a lot of humans.
I agree mostly with that, but I would argue that by learning/hearing a new idea, thinking about it, and discussing your ideas with others is how you ultimately come to different ideas/understandings on things.
Some people just go to battle with sticks thinking they’re guns lol
@@chefboyarsteve820 You are 100% correct.
But people never say that, when they mean to express that. They short-hand it to just 'I hear it, I change my mind'... which is as dumb as 'I hear it, I reject it'. Both are the same issue from the opposite extreme. They have the exact same flaw.
Now they don't mean it that way (or so I hope)... but saying it that way leaves it to be understood that you don't think it through, you just hear it and accept it.
So many people have told me they tell people this and get blank stares... and I get why, what they said is stupid and doesn't track. What they MEANT however, is more akin to how you express it.
Destiny showing up to a change my mind would be the single best debate to watch ever
Your argument that those men don't deserve praise for ending the oppression of women because they started it, doesn't really hold up. They didn't start anything, but they did put and end to an old established system and I think that does deserve praise.
Idk, that point sounds weird to me because they ended it after women protested and marched for their right to vote.
I get where you’re coming from but I have to disagree because if those women didn’t make a fuss about it, then our right to vote would’ve been delayed for years.
@@sana-qx1pr I disagree with that point. For instance, woman have yet to advocate against these issues that men face: there is a ban on female circumcision but not male in the western world. Male suicide rate is higher than female and still rising. Male treatment in family courts. All issues men are facing in the western world to name a few and woman or woman's rights advocates, which are supposed to be activists for "equality", either are ignorant or refuse to bring up. The day that all of these things end, and im sure woman will be involved in ending these things, can our response to them be "Well, you didnt bother to try to change it until we made a fuss about it so boo to you" Would that be an appropriate response? I think not...
@@Cocobunji
I see where you're coming from, and you're right, I think women, in general, are pretty dismissive of those issues. But I can't see how praising the people who enforced a restrictive system are worthy of it like they were so enlightened when it was advocacy that opened their eyes.
@@sana-qx1pr It’s because you can’t just cast a wide net and say things like that. The men of that time didn’t create the laws that woman couldn’t vote. In fact, they were completely different people. The biggest problem with identitarians is they say statements like that. That those men are a representative of all men past, present, and future. That’s just sexist pure and simple. Those men aren’t the same men. On a factual basis and on the conceptual basis that they voted for woman having the right to vote
How does Crowder think “who gave women the vote” is an argument AGAINST male privilege? Someone should have responded “male privilege is having the ability to decide who gets to vote. Just like deciding who gets access to birth control etc etc”
Yeah that absolutely is Male Privilege: 100 years ago. We don't live in that society today.
@@Luxembourgish That's unrelated to his argument. There is no discussion of whether it was male privilege; the discussion is about whether male privilege is something that should be defended.
@@TheHadMatters I'm pretty sure what he said was
"male privilege is having the ability to decide who gets to vote. Just like deciding who gets access to birth control etc etc"
to list examples of male privilege to defend its prevalence. Those are all however outdated and moot examples.
Maybe I'm unclear on what his position is.
@@TheHadMatters "Male Privilege is a Myth" not, male privilege exists and should it be defended. You just pulled that one out of your ass.
I never got to decide who votes or has birth control. Oh, you mean when I voted against you guys stealing from me to pay for ITV
All things being equal, someone with a specific trait has it easier. The conversation of privilege doesn't do much to advance the conversation on any particular issue. It degrades the conversation to whose life is easier. The problem is in real life, things are almost never equal. Especially when we are comparing two individuals and it's incredibly hard to quantify. It is almost always better to point to a specific issue and argue to that point.
No but we can look at trends to identify underpriveleged groups and, from that point, work on identify and fixing the factors which result in their underpriveleged status.
@@LoudWaffle this is exactly the kind of thing I would be on board with. Identify a trend, find the cause, treat the cause. The problem is when we start labeling very large demographics with “privilege” it doesn't do much to accomplish the agreed-upon solution.
@@austinrush446 Well that's exactly what labelling certain demographics as priveleged and others as underprivileged does, except for the fact that there are no agreed-upon solutions. There is a vast multiplicity of solutions being attempted to address these issues, some work, some don't, many others are being developed, and many are shot down due to the flaws in the societal structure (maintaining class balance, personal interests of politicians, partisan politics, etc).
Steven: *breathes*
Destiny: Well, actually...
i cant even watch someone watching crowder. his voice is too grating.
idk I feel the same way. It’s difficult.
made it 10 minutes in and i'm tapping out
Freed Harowi 😂
@@WarningBFG-isHiring my dude war tome has been in like 15 comment threads. If I didn't know better I would accuse Crowder of using his alt account.
His voice isn't nearly as annoying as his shady discussion tactics. Talking to unprepared and unqualified people on the street over extremely nuanced topics is not going to change his mind or anyone else's. He's paid to record himself making arguments that sound good but don't hold water, and he strengthens those arguments by ensuring that the people arguing him aren't on equal enough footing to give these topics the challenge they require. Not to mention he'll twist facts or outright lie to support his reactionary beliefs and those of his audience.
I mean, I think the first guy in the interview brought up a good point, which was to challenge the framing of the conversation. With the framing of "change my mind" an outside observer with no context of who Crowder is could very well mistake the conversation for a good faith dialogue of someone who has a position, but is open to having that opinion change. Without challenging that framing from the get go, any interlocutor is going to be setting themselves up for disaster to an outside audience because Crowder has a whole folder of talking points that he will dig into to make sure he never gives an inch on his position.
KOLN555 ....not true you don’t have to come and sit down and when you do he explains to
Everyone what it is he is doing and what his point of view on it is .
You can’t research every detail, so there is going to be something he missed that he would more then likely look into it if brought up.
@Shy Brotha Speaks You can change someone's mind by influence. That's the point. Either way it's just a name. He debates people who are confident in their views. If you have such conviction in views you can't even back up against fixed points, you have no business holding that view with anything near the amount of conviction you do. If anything, it should change their mind to either reinforce their belief in their viewpoint by proper research, or be more open to it not being quite as black and white as they once thought. There's also the possibility of changing one's viewpoint entirely. Regardless, it's not as cut and dry as you're intentionally looking at it. That sort of thinking is what creates the types of people we make fun of on both sides of the battlefield.
It’s not a chess league you don’t have to play people exactly at your level. It’s an open dialogue format if you know you arnt well versed in a topic don’t engage.
"I wish i could get on one of crowders change my mind". If its possible Destiny can try to figure out where the next change my mind will be and film it so if crowder denies trying to speak to him it shows hes scared.
The events are not announced beforehand. If they were protestors would get them shut down, and terrorists might do an action, so he would not get a permit if he announced it. You would get terroristanarchists bussed and flown in from all over the westcoast.
DNC ISKKK that’s the reason, surely the reason isn’t because he wants to target uneducated kids and ensure the chances of someone who does this for a living doesn’t show up
@@youare5907 no you're wrong. Leftists occupy a soace where they are simultaneously weaklings who don't leave the house but also highly organised members of the SAS who are capable of carrying out terrorist attacks.
How come I haven't seen Destiny debate ANY known conservatives? The most known person I've seen him debate that are conservative, is NoBullShit and Jesse L Peterson. Both who he humiliated. I want to see him debate Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, or even the neutral Jordan Peterson...
@@lukaszmarzec1226 I probably am wrong! I mean it's not like political figures with as much experience as Crowder literally get on their knees and beg Crowder to debate then and Crowder ignores them to go after kids.
i.e Sam Seder
if anyone ever makes a compelling argument he just cuts the clip, Crowder's content is the epitome of alt-right-think
How is he alt right? This is just the regular conservative talking points.
Wartoz I mean in this very video he makes one of Richard Spencer’s arguments, but he’s prob not alt right.
@ShadowSabbath Username checks out you didn't even put the mark on the end of it you edgy dabbler.
Anything you communist pussies disagree with is alt right. Stfu please and thank you
if one of his "change my minds" happen to be near where you live, your fans could come across it and call you over lol. that'd be epic.
That would be cringe AF
Destiny is only able to debate two digit IQ people online.
Change my mind
- if Destiny wants to be taken seriously from non leftists and just Democrats/Republicans. After this COVID stuff he should man up... and actually see Crowder, Ben Shapiro or even David Rubin in person. And debate them.
All 3 openly allow people to speak and welcome people like Destiny to the Frontline.
Something tells me Destiny is scared to do it since deep down he's afraid his ego will shatter just like every other person on the left that debated those 3.
I have seen only 1 person succeed against Shapiro. Maybe Destiny can be the next person if he has the courage to do it.
Jonathan Tedesco you’re trolling. Destiny has requested debates with each of those people. They decline or don’t respond. Tell your idols to man up and stop debating teenagers at colleges.
@@legoboy7825 says the person that idolizes a twitch person that likely has never held a real job
@@boocraft4985 He has. Nice guess though.
@@boocraft4985 good trolling 8/10
I’m mostly on Crowder’s side on most of these talking points but I would LOVE to see Destiny debate him. That would very interesting and would actually challenge Steven appropriately.
Steven Crowders dad picks up the phone.
DESTINY IS A BEYYYTA! Change my mind.
@@MrLE0NO he has a girlfriend
@@hahahalol3421 and a son
@@MrLE0NO His gf's actually cool with it, she does the same at times
You're making the claim, change mine, biatttttch.
@@MrLE0NO Um he was never married and hey what's wrong with a dominant woman?
When Steven started debating Steven i was like daaannnng Steven is about to get wrecked by Steven and he did! I am so glad Steven researched enough to put Steven in his place!
Destiny: I wish I could be out there in change my mind
Also Destiny: *stays indoor all the time*
Cold feet Destiny...
Comments that didn’t age well lol
@Atomic Apple Check his recent content, he’s out there doing his own now!
@Atomic Apple whats your opinion crowder running away from sam seder
@atomicapple5537 you dislike one of the most likable people on the political sphere lmao. I am not talking about the h3 debate dumbass. I am talking about the politcon debate that was cancelled by crowders dad. That's why ran away years ago. Steven crowder approved of Alex jokes storming in a tyt panel and has harassed people in public. He deserved all of that and worse
It is annoying how he says "im just a comedian" when he literally runs a media company that talks about politics. Also, can't find any comedy nights from him anywhere.
every late night show / comedy shows are basically leftist's propaganda. crowder is conservative version.
He isn't a Ben Shapiro, he's more comedy based and the show is presented as comedy rather than serious. Anyone can see that if they've watched an actual political show vs a comedy show taking the piss.
DanteGhee that’s because he’s exclusively on RUclips. The same way you don’t find comedy podcasts in real life as shows. Because their podcasts and not meant to be viewed by a standby public audience but by an online audience after the podcast/show is done.
Propaganda would mean it’s false dipshit
@ocelot. Thats okay if tou dont find him funny millions dont see it that way. Dont be bitter now.
You hit the nail on the head Destiny. The problem with the term “Rape Culture” is the name. Just like you said, it should have a more appropriate name like “Consent culture” (I would guess sex entitlement culture would be more appropriate).
However, people wouldn’t bat an eye with a less “spicy” term. The idea is to choose the most scandalous term so it will get a response. The problem then is that you group it with other instances of rape culture where rape actually comes into play. It is simultaneously a watering down of the term, an attempt to make less egregious offences seem worse, and an attempt to obfuscate those offences under the umbrella of rape. It is disingenuous to assume that people will automatically know that rape culture doesn’t refer to actual rape.
Same problem as when one labels any right winger or centrist as “alt right” or Nazi.
I realize this is 2 years old but that's the point, to normalize the word and to get everyone comfortable with calling everything gRape.
Notice how narrow the path is that Crowder keeps the conversation on. No room for expanding the scope of the topic to include historical context and cultural context. Also he’s very happy to chime in with “I would” anecdotal evidence but jumps straight on anyone else who mentions something anecdotal.
Cuz people tend to ramble off topic. No historical or cultural context? Do you just watch clips of him made by angry leftists? Dudes a history buff and knows cultures of many countries
The rape culture take was way off. Not even close to reality.
Destiny just described some weird offhand dealing with rejection after a date /sexually frustrated men/ nice guy syndrome issue and called it rape culture. That's not how anyone ever talks about rape culture, rape has nothing to do with what Destiny described. Rape culture means a culture where rape happens far more than expected or when some cultural phenomenon results in rape becoming an accepted part of society (think an extension of Hollywood's impact on society argument but rape).
The main argument appears to be "Everyone I know knows someone who was raped, therefore rape must happen all the time". The left blames it on under-reporting due to the system causing too much trauma for it to be worth pursuing charges, and even those that are reported, are discredited by law enforcement. Extremely unlikely to be true, but it's a logical extension of their anecdotal evidence. According to stats I've seen, ~50% of rape victims are college age, which clarifies why female college students would be the most impacted by rape culture. I would love to see a stat comparing college-aged rape victims relative to other crimes in that age group. There is an unquestionable sex culture in college, rape culture on campus really isn't that far of a stretch.
The right just says its bullshit cause as a whole rape isn't out of proportion nor is there any evidence of law enforcement malpractice regarding rape. The opposite is often true, some women seem to get an unbelievable amount of credibility despite a lack of evidence. With Kavanaugh and all the other crazy shit mainstream media blew up just to be constantly wrong it's no wonder the right disregards it.
TL;DR: Top 5 worst Destiny takes, change my mind.
Aspectioner I agree with your take. Although what Destiny described could play into rape culture massively. You even identified this behaviour as nice guy syndrome, which suggests that it is a pattern of behaviours that is observable amongst men who are rejected. (This is conjecture, although i will do a Count Dankula and say that I have watched a lot of r/niceguy videos that show men exhibiting this behaviour).
Do you not think men becoming angered when they’re rejected, so much so to the point where it is highly uncomfortable for women, may push women into a position where they are afraid to reject men, and therefore sleep with them out of fear of angering them further? I have no stats to back anything up here, though. I’m not too invested in this particular point. Just thought I’d offer my opinion.
Yeah that was a horrible take. At most it's male entitlement.
Guys remember when this guy got humiliated by the socialist kid :D
@@mobilechedds yup, full on Nazbol.
@notIronTJ of course he is. PEPE
He may be a Naziboi but he did a public service humiliating Crowder. Thank God Naziboi isn't a RUclipsr though.
we need another one of him 😭
Regardless of what he calls his ideology what he said in the debate would have been just common sense socially democratic viewpoints in the 90's.
20:03 so basically Lincoln should not get any props for freeing the slaves bad point
_Nice strawman_
That “attacker” seemed incredibly staged. They seemed to be custom made to hit every negative stereotype associated with trans women.
RigVertigo cause that’s exactly how they are and act in real life!
Actually those type of people do exist. You don’t need to stage it for it to be caught on camera.
I don't know how you've gotten 21 likes for this comment lol. Never mind that it was obviously real for fifteen different reasons, but you failed to recognise the main one: how insanely reckless it would be to stage something like that. All it'd take is for some internet sleuths to ID the "actor", or for the actor to act poorly, or for one of his crew to leak the bit, and Crowder would be dead. Imagine if it came out that he'd recruited a black friend to dress up as a transgender rape-victim so as to act in that manner.
It's no conspiracy. He just has deranged, self-important Leftists interrupt most of his videos.
Crowder: "There are examples of Male Privilege, for sure, but there are also examples of Female Privilige"
WOAH WOAH hold up.....you said Male Privilege was a myth. Did you change your own mind???
This is why you don't pull out "what-a-bout-isms". It ends up looking like you've conceded.
He's saying that there's pro and cons to both, but overall women have it better than men.
@@BT-oj1bn yea obviously. However, this is not his original position. Part of his style is to say something edgy/inflammatory, and then walk it back later in the conversation.
@@MrDiffEQ It's more that he'll make an ambiguous statement and then interpret it whichever way is convienent.
The male privilege that he accepted exists is the inherent biological advantage men have over woman, but the male privilege that he says is a myth is the societal male privilege
@@rathin6548 both male and female have societal privileges though.
Destiny, you absolutely are a god of debate, not to simp too heavy here, but your shit literally changed my life. I was an anti sjw centrist years ago until I came across your content, then I watched you demolish EVERYONE who came within your range. I learned a lot from you, and I absolutely know I’m far from alone. You should be proud of your place in modern history - I genuinely believe you will be remembered as someone who helped change culture one day.
Crowder is very different with the second guest than the first and its glaringly obvious.
2:13:15 Lmao even Crowder accidentally called her a she before correcting himself into wrongly saying gentleman instead.
Then was like, "...oh sorry, my mistake"
I think Ben shapiro did the same thing too
@Ownerthekpwner FeelsWeirdMan
I mean because she/he kindve looked like a girl so he called her it. But how TF am I meant to know if the girl who's clearly a girl uses they/them pronouns and she gets pissed when I call her a girl accidentally after she told me.
*_Markus_* are you socially inept? Just ask.
8 out of 10 millionaires didn't inherit their wealth.
20:30 thought error:
youre generalizing.
the white people who created voting rights for women werent the same white people who supressed them.
thinking in collectives is full of prejudice.
exactly
A man had to serve And be a volunteer in the fire brigade to have the right to vote, right?
What the heck is this "unearned privilege" buzzword. Do you earn good parents? Do you earn a high IQ? Do you earn good teachers or a healthy psychological state? The majority of everyone's privilege is unearned.
lol.
thats the point
@@zexisak4085 What is? If the majority of privilege is unearned what is the purpose or implication of adding the tautological qualifier 'unearned'?
@@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe I would think the opposition of earned priv might be someone who has earned wealth and power and has certain privileges others don't. IE the ability to make more money with that money. Better lawyers against legal action, what not. Maybe. Idk. Un earned being someone who was born into wealth and into a system that continues to make them more wealth near autonomously.
It's about trying to earn it and not waste it. When you have something others don't failing to maximise is wrong as their is a waste in potential. Essentially it's the idea that when you have a befefit you try to make it so you could have deserved it,even if you didn't at the point of receiving. At least that's my initial imprrssion
You, or someone better equipped than an 18-year-old on campus during their second semester, should figure out when and where Steven's going to be doing one of these. Act like a student approaching, then just obliterate his arguments and catch him completely off guard
Destiny: NO. The men don't deserve any credit!
Destiny 5 minutes later: I mean I guess they deserve a little credit.
Of course the people who voted for the rights of those that were without should have that action praised. Come on..
That's not the point though. It's a good thing what they did, the only right thing, but crowder is trying to frame it like men liberated women and women didn't know what's actually good for them and society. Men voting for the correct position is good, but never ever worth of singling out as if they "saved" women in this context imo.
@@dudemate3363 Most women didn't want the right to vote. So men were the ones with the right idea here not women
@@donaldhysa4836 Don't upset him, man...
@@shefchenko111 And it was a great idea if you ask me
@@donaldhysa4836 Of course it was.
"If you enslave someone for 100 years and then let them go that's not a positive in your report card."
I think you are missing the fact that the people who enslaved others were of a different generation/were different individuals than those who freed the slaves. They absolutely deserve credit for seeing the error in what was previously done, and suffering through the difficulty that comes with losing privilege. This has to be the viewpoint we take because otherwise we are disincentivizing the cessation of harmful practices. The people taking these risks to do what's right have to be looked upon as heroes and celebrated otherwise far fewer people will go through with it and we will be worse off.
The most underrated comment in this entire comments section of this video. It's a shame RUclips is at work to make sure you don't reach many ears.
You’re arguing from a practical “how do we get more people to support X” type of position but that’s not what Destiny is arguing. You don’t deserve credit nor blame for ending oppression after people have continually begged for it. Its just a matter of duty as a fellow citizen. Same way we don’t give anybody credit for legalizing gay marriage.
@@halochampion342 I just don't find this argument convincing. We praise people for performing their duty especially at cost to themselves, think firefighters risking their lives going into a fire for example. Whenever some does the right thing they should be memorialized, praised and held up as examples of who we aspire to be.
Destiny vs Crowder, let's do it!
Destiny talks about how tv shows could make men doctors and women nurses but he forgets it also paints the picture that nursing is feminine and not for men.
Hilarious how Crowder only debates college kids with no debate prep whatsoever.
They're the ones with the loudest voices demanding the most change.
Whose fault is it their unprepared
Un Listed loudest voices? That’s the 45-75 age group
legoboy7825 lates teens to early 30s are the idiots rioting and stuff
@@ImEnzoProductions And? They barely vote.
The problem with the male sexual assault numbers is that most men would never admit to being sexually assaulted or raped. It would be too humiliating. If I were ever raped, god forbid. I would take it to my grave.
@@Ash-jm3pd of course it is, but the reason for not saying something is completely different. For a woman, I imagine they don't speak up out of fear. Whereas men don't speak up because it is embarrassing to admit you got abused by a woman. But of course, there is that gray line where the reason could be the same for both men and women.
Steven crowder is a weasel, he refuses to debate anyone well versed in leftism.
What and even if you dont think so just go to Ben shapiro and see him debate intellectuals.
Neon Nihilist epicly owned
WH OMEGALUL ?
When they’re talking about giving women the vote Destiny is talking as if all men have a collective mind when it comes to giving themselves all rights.
Men that went against other men that wanted to keep all power with 1 gender should be thanked for standing up for women!
Just because they’re all men doesn’t mean they had a change of mind. It meant that enough men thought that the current Norm at the time was wrong.
Never been on a destiny video this close to the upload date/time. Nice
@@zaab-yaoh9302 Many people care.
“And I won’t cut you off”
Crowder really has a “change my mind” segment where all he does it entertain a crowd and try to score points. He has no intention of his mind being changed and then he has to go out and tell other people that he is actually willing to have his mind changed.😂
We will all remember Yusef
None of the people who sat down presented anything close to an actual argument to support their belief "Male Privilege" is actually a thing.
thats because he, as well as all people who come in with facts and logic, know that they're right... and they are. No one has yet to change his mind because guess what... they're liberal snowflakes that cant handle reality and instead have to go back to their safe spaces.
@@MenChooseSlavesObey he's talking about the whole segment not just that specific video.
Julian
That’s easy for you to say when it’s a random person on the street willing to talk with crowder with no research and data ahead of time
The same people that 'gave themselves ultimate power' are not the same people that gave women the right to vote.
41:40 destiny literally forgot why he was reading the article
Destiny changed my mind in this debate
Most women were told how to think by the men in their lives
And most were scared to piss off the status quo
Smh
EsotericOccultist oh yes cause most people stand up to being jailed, beaten, or killed
@Kat It's called history Kat. Most oppressed people didn't stand up for themselves, only a select few did. We repeat the same history over and over to different minority groups. It's just shocking we haven't learned yet. Plus my grandmother was one of the silent supporters scared she'd face consequences.
With those abuse statistics there are some discrepancies with the amount both men and women actually report abuse.
Destiny you are incorrect, scientists can and do know where human life begins.
I just start watching your videos. Im happy i found you.
A lot of people on the left are idiots and can't make actual arguments or point out when the other side is wrong. Its a breath of fresh air to find someone who can actual properly debate. I hate one sided fights. I love evenly matched fight. Or at the very least being on the same battlefield. I find most people who lean left tend to not even make it to the battlefield.
I want to see more people like you on the left. So people like me can hear good opposing ideologies.
There's a lot out there you just have to look for them. I can't think of any off the top of my head other than atheists who also do politics every now and then.
@@tuffdude7795 If there really were many of them out there, wouldn’t you be able to think of a few off the top of your head? In my experience they’re actually quite rare. And there’s a good reason for that: people on the modern left typically see their side’s views as being both obvious and morally righteous. When you feel that you are on the side of the angels, fighting the forces of evil, you feel much less compelled to actually have well-researched positions you can defend via intense argumentation. After all, if you believe, for example, that you’re on the side that is against racism, while the other side accepts or even advocates racism, do you really need to think through that position very much? No, you don’t, because for most people it’s obvious that disliking people based purely on their race is wrong. The error the left makes is that they don’t truly understand the views of many people on the right, which are typically much more complex than simply liking racism, or sexism, or hating immigrants, or any of the other straw men that are typically believed in.
"Passing" sounds shitty but as far as I know, it's the only shorthand way to put it. Many trans people use the term as well.
It's my long time dream to see a Crowder vs Destiny debate, or Shapiro vs Destiny.
Destiny Vs Shapiro would be better I think
I like how, whichever argument is put forward, Destiny sees three steps ahead and calls out the outcomes. I used to like the Change My Mind segments, before I knew better and started listening to counterpoints from other debators. Subbed
Blaming a new generation for its grandparents generation is insane i dont care what my grandpa did i aint paying for him are u crazy
You cannot say that the original slave owners were doing good by purchasing people and moving them against their will to work against their will. You can however admit that the descendants of slaves have superior living conditions in the US than in most African countries. Because of this truth, you actually can argue logically that black people in the US benefit from what you would call "white privilege". White privilege means having higher living standards. Being white in a place makes it more likely that that place has higher living standards. If you live in a place with people that have higher living standards, you are likely to have similarly high living standards. Black people living in areas that have higher living standards due to white privilege are benefitting from white privilege.
Everyone in the comment section is talking about how Steven "only debates college students" or people with low criteria. That's the whole point of these segments. There are so many people that are misinformed with information that act like they know what they are talking about (like everyone at these women marches). People need to stop pretending like they are politicians, and that goes for liberals OR conservatives.
I think that’s a very charitable take.
It’s not like he goes out to rodeos and debates conservatives about how immigration benefits the economy. He’s not trying to say “the general populous is ignorant about politics.” Which is a statement I would generally agreement, he’s trying to say “the LEFT is ignorant about these issues.”
That’s why people criticize him for only debating college students and dodging real debates with people like Sam Sedar. He’s spinning a narrative.
Goddamn you're so much more sane than anyone else on the left, people like the guy he was interviewing only make me slightly left leaning of center slightly libertarian.
U need others to change ur mind ?
@@chossenone730 More so back then, I have a better established world view now. I never needed others to change my mind, but I've always been open to people helping me along the way. :)
@@TakeShotAction hmm ok :)
You HAVE TO get onto one of these change my minds man! 😂
I am sure he can be invited to the show for a conversation if he wished.
@@dnciskkk9037 Sam Seder can't even get on and he's way bigger than Destiny :p
Isaac crowder doesn’t announce the subject or location to ensure no one Educated shows up
@@youare5907 fax
@@speedfastman Sam Seder is a TYTer, and a bad faith actor, persona non grate. He is a terrible being working for a terrible organization, TYT. Destiny is a nice guy, and has a pretty unusual life with stories to tell. Destiny also has crossover appeal to bring in new viewers. And another thing, everytime TYTers are invited to conservative sites, their freeloading subs spam the commentsections for 1 year. So your actions make it impossible for that reason alone. You have destroyed JLPtalks commentsections after he interviewed sam and kyle.
The Johnny Depp, Amber Heard domestic abuse situation is a prime example of female privilege.
Female privilege like being the victim of the vast majority of domestic violence.
@@zack19192
The female privilege also to be considered the victim in every domestic abuse situation.
Lets not get crazy, Female privilege also exists. Look at cases of custody, punishment on the same crimes and divorce rights and even fucking alimony.
I'm confused at Crowder's pay gap statistics, "when you account for everything, women are actually payed more but exactly the same" (which is already a really badly worded sentence) but also he is ignoring the fact that the adjusted pay gap is still 5%.
The important thing to remember is that stats change over time. Such a small difference as %5 higher wages for women could have changed to %5 higher for men in the time between crowder’s video was made and the destiny’s stream, or between destiny’s stream and the time you wrote this comment. The point is that they are so close that the difference is negligible.
@@callumross6290 Do you have any sources for that? I cannot find any evidence to show that it has fluctuated back and forth. And 5% is almost two year's worth or normal raises for a salaried job, so that is quite significant.
Hannah Batchelder Listen to destiny, even he admits something as low as 5% is insignificant. I do not wish to argue over what is significant or not, because it is such a subjective term and frankly the argument is trivial. No I do not have sources to suggest that it did change, that is why I said “could have”. Go ahead and do your own research though. I’m not advocating for either destiny or crowder here, just that you picked an extremely trivial point of this video to focus on considering it was amongst several other important talking points
Remember when destiny argued that conscious experience isn’t a good factor in Considering whether or not abortion was appropriate? Pepperidge farms remembers.
Of course he doesn’t. If you’ve watched some of his philosophy videos on the channel, he consistently reaffirms that he doesn’t see the inherent value of consciousness nor really even believe in consciousness as a cencept lol
Destiny's absolute worst takes are his abortion takes.
@@JasonWilliams89 its cuz he fence sits like a little bitch. 90 percent of pro choicers abortion takes are shitty takes.
@@BeetleHunter
pro lifeers are emotional virtue signaling rightards.
@@bvishal2kn dont thumbs up your own reply. downy
"You don't get props for not oppressing someone"
If someone was being oppressed historically by your ancestors and you were taught to oppress them and you decide not to oppress them despite having more to gain by oppressing them and things to lose by not oppressing them. Then yeah, you get props.
Destiny is using that argument in the wrong situation. If a black person is walking down the street and I have a choice to yell a slur at them or not yell a slur at them then no I don't get props for deciding not to verbally assault someone. But these are entirely different situations.
The first situation is more like a king freeing his fathers slaves that would otherwise be his slaves through inheritance.
Also, you don't get to use the Jim crow caused black people not to have generational wealth argument when it comes to men and women because women inherit what their fathers acquired. So while men had the generational advantage that generational advantage gets passed on to the women of today. That includes nepotism.
He's relating Jim Crow to say just because there's a law passed to stop the oppression of a group of people, that it doesn't immediately fix itself or the societal views of that group of people
His claim that "most women didnt want to vote" isnt even substantiated. This Is impossible to prove even if it Is theoretically possible. The fact is there were women who bought into the idea that a "woman" has a place i.e to raise a child and church and at home which were taught to her by other men and women much like Jesse Lee peterson thinks black people are dumb despite being black. Fact is many women wanted to vote and be in politics and even those who didnt want the right to vote, voted when they got the right. They also gained support from white supremacists and religous nuts and were inconsistent so obviously they lost the argument. It took women years to protest and cause disturbances so that the powerful men could finally give them those rights. The only real praise goes to the women who faught for EVERYONE to vote regardless of ideology and without thosesuffragettes, this wouldn't be the case today with the men in power who were so reluctant for centuries. Same for eliminating slavery. I'm sure some slaves wanted to be enslaved too. Its irrelevant. The point is to get that CHOICE and right and men didnt want to see that happen until thanks to the suffragettes who protested until they had no choice.
Crowder is an idiot as usual.
Also destiny the violinist argument isnt a "shit" argument it's there to show the importance of BODILY AUTONOMY. Simple. Get educated on this destiny
Mario mario your response doesn’t even touch his point. Voting wasn’t considered a right of citizenship until the 60s or whatever, at the time you had to volunteer with your fire department regularly, sign up for the draft, and a multitude of other requirements.
Regardless of you thinking that everyone voted except women and that women must have thought that they “had their place” to hold their views has absolutely no relation to what was discussed.
Try again I believe in you 😂
@@aabbcc7532 what the fuck are you talking about? I said REGARDLESS of whether "most" women wanted to vote or not, the entire suffragette movement pushed those men in power to actually provide that right and freedom so we thank those women for even caring.
Try reading and comprehending what I said next time kiddo
@Burak Ormanoglu literally nothing you said is remotely tied to reality. Many women wanted the right to vote and it took a long time for them to gain that right thanks to powerful men and other women who got indoctrinated into your trash conspiracy so we have THEM (the suffragettes) to thank for every woman regardless of gender to gain that right Lol your nonsensical " it's just natural" trash is beyond cringe worthy.
Maybe try acting like a fucking adult and not spew utter trash you parrot in your little echo chamber. Then maybe you'll be taken seriously kiddo
@Burak Ormanoglu lmao so rather than provide any sources you rant about some conspiracies you pulled out of your ass and continue to lie even after I've refuted them. Sounds like you really know how to debate "professionalle"
See kiddo I can play that game too. So let me teach you how to "debate" you start with a premise and then make sure those premises are not only valid but sound with sources.
Il wait until you grow up pull on your big boy pants and do so.
Just a thought, males don’t get taxed for condoms (a form of birth control typically provided by the male for sex that is optional) yet females get taxed (luxury tax which is higher than a state tax for items considered “not essential”) for feminine hygiene products like tampons and pads which we are essential. That is an instance I have seen evidence of male privilege within the law.
actually another is abortion. Pro choice or pro life I don’t believe the government should regulate a woman’s body.
I somewhat disagree with Destinys thoughts during the 'giving women the right to vote' segment. You have to consider the context of the era and the social reality those people were raised into. You assume these were bad people who spent a lifetime treating women shitty and then went "aiight you can vote now, ill pat myself on the back". They went against the social norm of their predecessors/peers/youth and pushed legislation to further equality. I think that is a good action. If you are quick to call out straw mans Id argue the Hitler comment was a straw man. Hitler stopping Hitler makes Hitler good doesn't equate well to someone saw something they thought wasn't morally appropriate and worked t'words changing it. I'm sure Destiny and I could dive deeper into data and find supportive facts. But using Hitler, the leader of a facist regime, is subversive to the way our government is structured. Whats so immoral about amassing influence and then using your influence to better something or right a wrong?
Also, can we stop comparing people with Hitler so often.. its usually wildly exaggerative and weakens arguments.
The social movements allow the context in which elected people do their stuff, once you're here with the power and the social backup it is really not heroic to push a progressive law. Also the point is that men do tend to usurp the successes because they are in that position of power that gives them the final word and hinders the struggles that necessarily come before. In fact, a lot of times, elected people are not that progressive and enact progressive reforms only when they feel obligated.
"Whats so immoral about amassing influence and then using your influence to better something or right a wrong? " That's not how politics work. You do not decide to amass influence, you get to gain influence based on opportunities given by your social background. You also need the work of others to get there and push political projects, you don't just come with your personal ideas.
The law just formalizes how things already run, the whole credit should be given to those who change how things run, not those who merely acknowledge it by writing a law or just take the opportunity to get elected.
Btw, nobody was compared to Hitler here.
What people also fail to remember is that in order to have the right to vote, you were draft eligible. The reason that many women didn't want the right to vote was because of that stipulation. So, it was decided that _for women_ the draft did not apply.
The draft was mainly instituted to fill combat roles.
Which women were barred from doing.
Would you have liked women be able to actually serve in such roles before getting drafted?
Heck, do you think it's travesty that men who were born with physical ailments that precluded them from being accepted in the military got a chance to vote?
I think to some extent destiny’s issue, or mine, is that he looks at all men as a whole. The laws that prevented women voting were put in place before those specific men rose to power. What you do with power is indicative of your character so the fact that those men, who had no real obligation to actually change that law, decided to do so should be recognized at some level but it shouldn’t overshadow the work done by the groups themselves. Not saying they deserve all the credit but they deserve some credit for using the power granted to them in a positive way.
Additionally, I’m not certain that the societal privilege granted men exceeds the societal privilege granted to women. I think there’s some advantages and disadvantages to both. For instance a women might have preference when police respond to a DV call but inversely men might be more privileged when it comes to acceptance in certain professions. Or, women might be more likely to receive assistance if she’s seen to be distraught in public while a man might either be overlooked and possibly even denigrated. On the inverse a man might be believed more when making a claim in public vs a women doing the same. My point is I’m not sure I see such a huge disparity here though I’m open to changing my mind on it dependent on the arguments presented.
How hasn't anyone pointed out that the title is 'male privilege is a myth' but in the video Crowder keeps on pointing out things he would consider female privilege? I haven't finished watching, I'm hoping someone will point out the hypocrisy.
Timo Doherty .......exactly that’s the whole point he’s tryna show that females have privileges as well as men do.
Timo Doherty He’s saying that while men have advantages, women do as well, which balances it out ultimately giving men no extra advantages over women. It’s like a scale that’s perfectly balanced at 50/50. There may be something on either side of the scale, but it is still balanced.
Its still crazy to me that people think crowder is a comedian
He's basically the right-wing equivalent of Jimmy Dore, where it's edgy political commentary labelled as comedy.
crap867 kinda messed up considering he wasn’t expecting a fight. He may have done well against the union guy if he was expecting to fight him instead of the union guy just punching him in the face.
Men that passed the female legal right to vote DO deserve praise. They were not the ones who oppressed women, they were the ones who liberated them.
Well if we dont get praise for being good geus we wont be good anymore whats the point if u all keep complaining like children
There's something about the smugness of Crowder as he proudly steamrolls teenagers under a mountain of misleading or false talking points that somehow makes this more painful than listening to the NoBS debates.
Please share with me the misleading or false talking points. Let's take them one at a time.
@@GeneralZod99 why don't we start with just this video? To say men gave women the vote is a misleading framing of what actually happened. It's technically true, but they had to be convinced by suffragists to do so in the first place, they don't get bonus points for finally doing it right after years of doing it wrong.
@@rimsky225 The Suffragists also had to convince other women. It ultimately happened because the draft for women was removed as a requirement for the right to vote. It's not as if all women were screaming for the right to vote. You seem to be framing this as if all Suffragists were women. They weren't. It's like saying that all feminists are women (and women only) and that there are no women that don't consider themselves feminists, _especially_ the current model of feminism. Many women didn't want to have to be eligible to go to war as that was the stipulation for getting the right to vote. In this very example, women received a _special_ right not afforded to men.
You can make the argument (as they did) that being eligible for the draft should not be included in the right to vote, but that is the way it worked at the time.
smug one is Destiny
@@fightfannerd2078 Also mandatory fire fighting services were removed.
Crowder, more like chowder
This funny is mediocre but better than most
Because he nasty
Steven debated himself in this debate.
@48:04 "let me rattle off really quick" , hahah crowder isn't even trying, he's not even faking it, he's just phoning it in now
That's the whole idea behind this thing: Crowder won't debate anyone besides campus students who have a stage fright
@@CaBdosdos what I'm saying is that they're not prepared (unlike Crowder) and have the added stress of being in front of a camera, something they aren't used to mostly (unlike Crowder). He doesn't debate public, educated (not *being* educated) people
And yeah, students are kinds dumb - that's why they students - they're only learning shit and haven't been adults for long so they haven't figured a lot of shit
Also the fuck does Destiny's audience demographics have to do with anything
Why does he keep complaining about Crowders dialogue tree. This is how you argue, you do the same exact thing. You develop arguments over time and have counter arguments to common opposing arguments. For instance, you paused and went into your dialogue tree, every time Crowder made points.
a dialogue tree has no choice, that's the difference. It is painting a direction such that there is no other direction, or in other words a false dichotomy. With destiny's points, they are not false dichotomy since he arrives at these conclusions by looking at all the options. Crowder does not do the same.
@@Explicitnice No. Destiny does the same thing and makes points that are just as easily countered. I could do the same thing to this video that destiny did to Crowder and pause every time destiny says something and respond with a counter argument. lel if you think destiny considers every option.
Thomas Kidd our your money where your mouth is? Take a video from the last 6 months and show the dialogue tree then easily dismantle it! :)
@@Sup3rB4dVideos he does consider every option, you obviously haven't watched him enough, his rationalization is rigorous and has seen many changes. he used to be on way different positions and believe in the same values as bush. You don't get from there to where he is by staying to the options you prefer, lmao.
@@Explicitnice He has changed his positions, but that doesn't mean he considers every option. Also, I didn't say anything about sticking to options he prefers. He will continue to change his positions as he talks to people with more knowledge and better arguments.
Crowder wasn’t making a race realism argument, he was saying that the slave trade still exist in Africa
Steven is still correct. Weird, Someone who makes so many videos on him, says something suspicious...
I'm having a hard time with the argument that being from the generation that ended slavery, or allowed woman's right to vote cant be a MASSIVE plus and viewed as something that throughout human history SHOULD have been, but wasn't. These systems existed throughout our history in various forms... but it was THESE men that explicitly decided to change the status quo, going against the longest running status quo's, the most insurmountable odds... yet they cant be given any credit because it would make Hitler a good man for killing Hitler?
Wage gap exists because men experience the pressure of wanting to be rich from a very young age. To get rid of wage gap, force women to work even if they hate their job. Simple.
The pay gap might be referring to either possible discriminatory or lack of negotiations over SALARY, or possibly pay raises.
No one looks into that.
26:34 If aliens came down and taught us super advanced technology and science and ethics, then them enslaving us and raping us would be worthwhile!
it would be clearly worth it from the perspective of your descendants. btw there is stll rampant slavery in the middle east and Africa but their chances of being worshipped in hundred million dollar stadiums making millions and millions of dollars is exactly 0%.
If they are willing to do such things to us, then what good are their "ethics" exactly?
@@thek2despot426 Their ethics are superior because "might makes right", yadda yadda yadda
@@mayainverse9429 So because there is still slavery there, therefor it was A-Ok in the past here?
@@coreyander286 "1 out of 10 does not really seem to mind" ruclips.net/video/6tZar4wRP40/видео.html
So fun fact every single link he puts on the screen when talking to the first guy does not support at all what he is saying and they are just long articles in the hopes you don’t actually read them. Look at them.
Fastest way to get me to change my mind on a topic is have Steven crowder start championing the view I have, which is ironic considering he’s the face of the “change my mind” meme.
the counter meme is he never changes his mind lmao
Which only proves you're a pathetic tribalist.
@@frozenwalkway That's because his mind is already going in the right direction.
Destiny not realizing the article was from 1903 was so funny to me
Notice how Crowder changes his argument from each person just to win? On one hand he says we're equal because a 180 MMA female is less likely to get napped up...but then he consistently calls women weaker...which me he acknowledges on average women are more likely to get assaulted but the opportunity for a successful rape/theft/assault is likely to occur.
Edit: my previous statement about Crowder was made before I watched the ending of this video. I understand it's redundant after Destiny just stated the same thing.