I bought an Atomic Defender, a Titan, and a Lightning Elite for under $100 total. I've carried and used all of them for 1+ year as EDCs for work, in which I use them for opening tons of boxes and mail. I also fidget with them constantly. They have all had thousands of deployments and retractions, and they all still work just as well now as when I bought them. I will never buy another Microtech. They are simply a waste of money for ego and brand. I understand the FEELING and EMOTION of exclusive tribalism when you buy a super overpriced name brand thing like a Microtech, but I also have enough experience to understand that spending 5x the amount on a name brand buys you nothing except that name brand and the bragging rights for having spent a lot of money on it. Want a D/A OTF that functions fine for years with a lot of daily use? You're gonna be perfectly satisfied with a "budget" option like Lightning, Titan, Atomic, or AKC.
smileydogg24 of course not. The point is to stress it until it fails to discover the actual limits of the blade for a comparison to an authentic blade.
smileydogg24 exactly that’s why we are here to watch him do it for us. By the way thank you buddy, I appreciate you subjecting your gear to these tests for science
I dunno... It looks like to me that unless you plan on doing something really stupid with your knife, a $30 clone will do anything you can reasonably expect a knife to do... and for a ton less money. It also looks like the clone makers could spend about $10 more on heat treating the lock parts and still produce a knife that keeps up with Microtech in this kind of test, again for hundreds less. ( Which points to Microtech and others overcharging for what you actually get. ) But then maybe I'm crazy for expecting a knife to be just that, and not a wood chisel or a nail. * shrug*
@@Pillowpetlover - Everybody's a slave to something or someone else. After all, how many people REALLY hate their job, but don't leave it because they feel like they can't? Believe me, nobody works for somebody else because they want to. They do it because they have to if they want to survive.
That cheap steal will really show after a couple hundred thousand clicks. My ultratech has been abused daily working in construction and its battered and beat but fires everytime
@@guarddog318 yeah they do overcharge, benchmade and spyderco overcharge as well, but with my spyderco knives, I know I have quality steel with a good heat treat that noticeably outperforms cheap knives, and they pay their workers a living wage. I'm willing to pay their prices to support them and keep them in business. Yes, I could get by just fine on a cheap clone, but I like quality, and I like supporting American businesses that treat their workers well.
@@mattmorrison9379 One's about $50, the other over $300. There's a 600% difference in price, and the cheap one performs nearly as well as the expensive one. It "failed" when induced to stress no reasonable person would be subjecting their knife to (hammering it through a 2x4). If the cheapo would spend a few bucks more on better raw steel, it probably would have passed that test too.
@@heathwasson7811 fair enough, personally I like having a real one it definitely feels better than some clones I've held but hey to each their own it's all good.:)
It's amazing the amount of money you can save on production when you steal someone else's R&D, use cheaper materials, skimp on QC, don't offer a warranty, and probably don't pay your employees a fair wage.
@@blc628 Yeah, no shit. Everyone's fully aware of that. Like we don't know the reason one can sell for $50 and the other for $300? Glad you came around to straighten everyone out on that. Feel good about yourself now that you had the chance to dazzle everyone with your stunning economical analysis?
You just proved that if you buy that knock off knife its actually well worth the money, because in reality that test is not something you do to a knife of that type.
I have owned a real Microtech Halo V for 6 years now. I thought what the hell, let's buy a knock off and compare the two. I paid $100 for the knockoff. It came in a real Microtech box with real Microtech paperwork. I was blown away by the quality of this particular brand knockoff. EVERYTHING was spot on, the fit and finish, the hardware, and the action. When deployed the blade has virtually no play in it, don't know what steel the blade is made of but it took an edge, and has held it. My guess is like an Aus 8 or something similar. When you go to retract the blade, the slide has all the info on it that the original does. I was so impressed that I keep my REAL Halo V in the gun safe and play with the knockoff. It was such a faithful copy that I have even fooled other Microtech owners with it. So not all knockoffs are created equal. I think it was a Vespa.
Bc they are not knockoffs...all the shit is made in China..so the "knockoffs" are not knockoffs at all..u just getting it at a cheaper price due to where u buy from..wish has knifes that are exactly the same..300 here under 100 from wish..n halg the shit made in usa is a lie anyway..its ridiculous..all for a selling point..but yea its not a knockoff mate..same same
The one I just ordered yesterday from here: www.dhgate.com/product/red-blue-orange-handle-mt-automatic-knife/480677414.html?f=edm|auto|auto_shipping_2017|browse1|20200422 says that it's D2 blade steel. I'm kinda doubting that but I'll see when it gets here. If it's hard to sharpen then you know. I'm basically buying this as a toy. Are people(soldiers) really taking these to war? I doubt it. More likely a fixed blade of some kind. I saw the Vespas on this site but I know nothing about them.
Actually any flee market that as people selling knives got em under the counter everywhere in Canada , quebec Montreal etc..if you ask discretly and calmly , the person will show you his under the counter goodies like otf's , butterfly knives, brass knuckles , tazers , chinese stars and if your lucky one or two revolvers 😁 eh eh eh
@BrutalJuice I just got my Vespa wasp from dhgate it's a Microtech Troodon clone it was $160 and the Precision Machining and everything about the knife is beautiful you won't be disappointed and yes you will receive in the mail no questions asked
In my hometown we have a knife maker that was a contestant of “Forged in Fire” reality show on History Channel. He sales his knives at a extremely reasonable price. Reason: he doesn’t feel that there is no reason anyone should sale a knife at a high price considering the material at hand and readily available in today’s market. He’s older and honest along with the best blacksmith I know. He has knives priced a a premium only when very specific to a buyer. Good man with good intentions
I am a poor college student and I live in Europe where everything you get from USA is pretty much double the price you pay there. But since i am a knife maker and collector I appreciate the design and quality of the original. And I want to support the one who bust his head to come up with this design. So I only ate pasta with tomato sauce for 4 months in order to collect the money and in 2014 I bought my first real microtech. To this day 6 years later I have not regret it one bit. I know that the counterfeit if very good for the money but they don't have to spend money for research, for quality parts and American labour. I make knives I would want anyone to copy my designs for less $. In order for me to come up with one knife I have to break 2- 3 complete knives to test if the design is good enough. The copycats will just skip all this. Anyway I think that counterfeiting is just unacceptable wrong. The only way microtech can defeat them is to make a cheaper line in the company that are made in China. Like Byrd knives from Spyderco!
You are spot-on, Counterfeiting is despicable to me! The world would be a truly amazing place if it was full of people like you! Where do I buy one of your knifes?
@@chrisdonnelly5904 Thank you so much for your kind words mr Donnelly. I am very humbled to hear that you would take interest in my knives. Unfortunately i dont have something available at this moment because i only do it part time, and because i still in the beginning of my carrier it takes quite a while before a complete a full knife and most sell out really fast. Faster that i can make them. But here instagram.com/parissis_works you can see a very small sample of my work since the instagram account is very recent. But i am planning on posting more of my work there and in a more regular basis. So if you like something you can contact me directly. I have a geat passion for cutlery and I currently do it because i love it and there is nothing else i love more, not to make money. I am trying to do the best job i can with the equipment and the skill i have. And hopefully become, someday, one of the more popular designers in the industry! Thank you again sir and have wonderful holidays. Btw my comment did not have any intension of promoting myself. I was just saying what was on my head!
спрос - рождает предложение. Китай не победить :) они могут сделать даже лучше оригинала если им достаточно заплатить за работу - пример подделки Shirogorov
People say that to me all the time! They also have 20 pairs of $100+ shoes, $900 cellphones, and credit card debt...Fun part about being an adult is spending money on shit YOU like :D
No clue what steel they use in them but I've seen friends clones that are spot on and some even better feeling and looking than some of my older factory knives lol
Your exactly right! But they will tell you that 20 more dollars in the machine is going to hit the big one, I worked in a store for 7 years that sold lotto tickets, The House Always Wins
I lost my job a few years ago, so I did what any reasonable person would do. I went and bought my first Microtech Ultratech. I didn’t fear finding work and buying the knife for myself cemented the fact from my mind into reality. Found a new better paying job before my knife even arrived. I wouldn’t sell the knife for anything. I love that Ultratech.
Your point has been proved, thank you for clearing up that i can save 140$ and get a knockoff just as long as i dont carelessly nail it into a piece of wood for no reason :)
I’ve been carrying the same Ultratch since 2012 and have never had a problem that a basic air blowout and oiling couldn’t fix. I’ve even had it submerged for a day while rafting and it’s still working strong.
Love these videos. Have to realize that this is a biased test though with your connection with microtech. Unbiased reviews and tests have more credibility.
@@XRING Its doesn't break anything on the counterfeit knife but it sure as shit guaranteed you didn't perform the full spectrum of tests on the microtech that you did on the fake. Microtechs are cool and kinda fancy and everybody gets the whole gimmick but you could've done a fair test. You didn't. Pretty simple.
Real microtech knives are well worth the money. I bought a knock off just to scratch the itch of wanting one and was immediately disappointed with the quality and reliability. I dug down deep in my pocket and bought the utx 85. When I received the knife I was worried I was going to regret spending that much money on a pocket knife. It was hard to see the value until I had it in my hand. I work in machining so I can appreciate the value of a real microtech. My utx and I have been inseparable since I bought it. I have actually had five people go out and buy one as a gift for someone after handling mine. I recommend them to people all the time. They are truly amazing knives and a must have for any one who is into hunting, EDC, and or collecting. Hell I've seen people who don't care for any of those things end up wanting one after handling mine. I am in no way affiliated with microtech or anyone for that matter. Save up and get the real thing. You won't regret it. Most people I see on RUclips have five or six decent quality knock offs. At fifty dollars or more a pop that is more than enough money to go out and get a full size ultratech. Another thing people forget about when scoffing at the price of a microtech is that when you buy the knife it is basically a piggy bank. You barely lose any money if you decide to sell one and if you get a rare color, blade, and hardware combination you can actually gain money in the long run. Buying a microtech is a good as buying any high end fire arm. It holds it's value and is worth being seen as an investment rather than a spontaneous purchase. Anyhow, I'm done. ✌️
Love these reviews, hope to have one some day, man it looks like all the channels I like are going to patreon and now I have a hard decision to make because I can’t afford all three of you guys, but it is totally understandable and I will support one or maybe two of y’all, man ( scratching my head)
The glass breaker on the clone can be removed by inserting something through the holes and unscrewing. The clip can be reversed but is held in by glass breaker. I replaced my glass breaker with a M8 screw cap for .53 at my local hardware store.
I have a few microtechs that were gifted to me when I left my Special Forces team and when I retired from the Army. They are beautiful works of art. With the custom engraving, they are more sentimental and collector items for me than anything else. I wouldn't mind carrying a knockoff as long as it was NOT branded as the real thing. I typically don't spend more than $50 on my EDC knife. It gets used and abused and occasionally lost. My wife got me an unbranded OTF once. It was cheap and unstoppable. The only negative thing I have to say about it was the pocket clip and glass breaker broke off. I don't carry it anymore because of that so now it permanently lives in my center console of my truck. My recommendation would be to find one of these knockoff microtechs that are unbranded or to pick up a good affordable folder. Personally I prefer an Axis or liner locking mechanism, but that's personal preference. I want to be clear, I'm not promoting foreign businesses over US businesses (especially local knife makers and gunsmiths if you have them), but at the end of the day, this shit still has to be affordable, and a good knife, regardless of brand, is better than no knife.
Thank you for your service. I appreciate that you understand that knock-offs sometimes have their place. I’m a broke college kid and can’t afford to be carrying a 250+ knife. if an unbranded knockoff is what i can afford and it’s reliable then so be it.
I got sucked in on the knife buying from watching Nutnfancy videos and since then the market has just shot upwards with apparently no end in sight. I find it ridiculous too. You can buy several guns or even a used car for what some of these high-end knives are going for now. I have like 35 now, but only a few were more than $50. After retiring I have little use for them now.
@@MrMZaccone Yeah in the moment you take apart of Microtech you void your warranty so what's your point? I have my car tax I have old vintage rare ones I have a 85's and 70"s. I think the point that he was trying to make is with the knockoffs I can buy five of them for what I'm going to pay for one Microtech. And let's be honest I've never used the knife warranty in 42 years of carrying a knife. You don't this stupid crap with your knife you never need the warranty.
I've had one of those hellhound clones from DHgate for 4 years now. I've never tried to nail it into a board but I've been rough with it and it's still going strong. All the ones I've seen advertised say it's D2 steel and that's what it feels like, it's better than those 3cr13 Tacforce knives. As long as you know going into it you're basically buying a $40 knife and not to expect $400 worth of quality it's all good.
Tbf it costs 33$ for a fake on alibaba and who needs to nail a knife into a 2x4.... ok its disposable and not as good as a real one but 33$... microtech is too expensive
I do understand that the real thing is going to be better but it is more than 10 x the price it’s crazy ! You can almost get a sebensa for that money (which is also expensive imo)
@@jameslordan3378 yeah that's why I don't own yet.. u do own a few benchmades and they are equally expensive but I love em to death. There's 2 knives I do want to get that I would hands down get before an micro tech which they are custom handmade knives by Lyle Bronkhourst, his starfighter pocket knife and his Damascus steel bowie fighting knife, which he does 90°bend tests on the spare blanks of the knives he makes to order to make sure they stand up to his standards and don't snap. The starfighter is 800$ and the bowie 1300 D: definitely check them/his work out! He has 40 years of knife making experience! images.app.goo.gl/ago7twK5KdXqcpG88 images.app.goo.gl/B1TrXybhvraeYJP98
Are the screws the same size on the x85 as the full sized microtech? Looking at getting some different colored screws I found on eBay but doesn’t say anything about fitting the x85 or the smaller 70 one.
That was the best blade video I have seen in quite some time. You are just cool.. not much else to add to that. I am subbed! and by the way that baby blue handled Ultratech look absolutely amazing. I'm going to watch some more I don't know much about guns but seems I'll be learning about them too here.
I have one of those $30.00 Lightning out the front knives and I have ruthlessly cut string and opened boxes with it and it hasn’t failed yet. Incredible!! I even dropped it one time. 😆
Dumb question here but I am very new to autos. Most traditional lock back knives would fail at the blade pivot if you did half of the things I have seen done to autos. I would have expected the autos to fail easier than a regular lock back. What is the difference in construction that seems to make these autos so durable? Thanks.
Hey Average Joe. I think it is their use of quality materials for all of their knives. Almost all of their internal parts are machined and not just stamped metal parts. Thanks for watching the channel. Stay safe and healthy.
They will knock off anything! 🙄 I got to put my hands on some custom Microtech knives today made by the owner polished blades & all. 😍 Thanks for Sharing, Carry On
I ordered two knives off dh gate. The benchmade 9400 came in two weeks and is fantastic. The fakerotec halo vi is still in the mail and it hasn't updated shipping in over a month. Even if it never shows it was worth it for the benchmade clone. I think it's best to buy the most expensive one with reviews.
@@aznazguy sure did. Absolute perfection. No blade play whatsoever unlike the real ones and unlike the real ones it came with a tool to disassemble. I've fired it a couple hundred times and it's still holding up great. I
For microtech OTF series knives, do I have to use anti rust oil every time if the knife gets dirty or if water gets into the handle after washing the knife after cutting fruit? Thank you.
I know this video is old and a lot of the comments are praising the knockoff. Not me. I've never been a fan of otf knives until recently i just got into them, and i have a genuine Ultratech, but you sold me on Microtech brother. Great video.
when is this man gonna test a different high dollar otf, I would love to see him put a guardian tactical otf to the test as those look far more beefy than the microtech lineup but only an intense test will prove it
How do you sharpen your knives? Carry a Griptillian by Benchmade and want to get it as sharp as it was new. Can send it to them, but would like to do it whenever I want/need to.
for starters dont let it get dull... buy a strop and some compound to put on one side of it and strop it the night after using it for example. its pretty easy to keep a sharp knife sharp but more difficult to resharpen it after letting it dull. worksharp sells from nice little hand sharpeners that would work. they sell a little guided field sharpener for 25 bucks and then they also sell a guided sharpener that pivots side to side as you sharpen that away its more forgiving if you dont angle the knife correctly while sharpening down to the end its around 50 bucks. worksharp also sells an automatic knife sharpener that plugs in for 50 bucks. Ive only used the field sharpener and its a nice little sharpener for 25 bucks. granted you may have to sort of freehand it if your knife isnt near the same angle as the guides. lanskys are also nice too and allow you to sharpen at more angles its also a good buy.
I think you just sold me on the clone. 🤷♂️ I mean I’m never gonna do any of the test you just did. And It looks like it can take a beating. And for 40$ what am I really losing. If microtech was cheaper of course I’d go that route but at 10% the cost how can you go wrong.
I have a utx clone from DHgate was 38. The quality is amazing. Fit and finish is amazing. Action is fast and solid. And blade took a shaving polished edge on my work sharp. Iv been beating on it and using it for everything and its held up great.
Not that I condone buying clones but those Microtechs are way overpriced for what they are. It would be a cool knife at $125. Costs them prob $20 to make it.
They cost WAY more than that to make. I did the series on birth of an Ultratech on the channel. Really made me understand what all goes into them. Not justifying the price, just stating the facts. Thanks for watching.
Not going to lie when I saw all that it could do I actually thought it was pretty sweet for the money and tbh for what most people would do with an otf knife it would be a much cooler and fun knife then something like a Lightning otf would be and around the same price.
The Vespa OTF's steal largely from Microtec designs, but they don't market them AS Microtecs... They put them over their own label and they do make some aesthetic changes to them. Their knifes however, ARE legit premium steels... Their lower level $80 knives are D2, but the $130-$230 knives are M390, etc... Several buyers have sent theirs off to a metalergy firm for testing and got the test results back and they were legit.
Ders972 that’s your contribution to the discussion? To point out that I didn’t proof read my grammar? One might think that you went that route, because you had no other response to give? Lol. Thank you for policing the internet to make sure that everything is spelled correctly. Not all heroes wear capes.
The point people make about Microtech is that they claim the knife costs $10 to make (wrong) and they should sell them for $40. Now a China based company is making their own OTF knife but feel they need to charge $230 for it. Shouldn't they be able to make a quality OTF for $40? No one doubts that China CAN make a quality knife, but they are not making quality counterfeit knives for $40. Also, when it comes to counterfeits, it isn't in that company's best interest to make a knife that lasts, they rely on repeat business and know if you will buy one $40 knife you'll buy another when that one breaks... and another... and another. Eventually you'll have $300+ of broken counterfeits when you decide to buy one $280 Microtech and you'll finally find happiness.
@Kevin Exactly. Now, when at work, I make the extra effort to correct simple grammar or typos... but in the world of mobile and spotty autocorrect, I don't always catch it.
@@darkanglesnip3r I bought a Halo 6 clone off of dhgate and brought it to one of my local Microtech dealers (Note I said dealer. Microtech is so proud of their shit is so expensive it has to be financed) (I'm all for quality and made in America but seriously Microtech. And they aren't the only ones) today. When I showed him the knife he could barely tell the difference between the two. It was only after he called Microtech to ask about serial number and ways to identify a fake. The fake Halo VI actually deploys more harder and smoother. Granted the steel and a few other things didn’t hold up over time but what average Joe uses an OTF that damn much. We all know that most of us have one for showing off and shit like that. If you want a hard heavy use folding knife then buy a frame, liner, or lock back like the rest of us do. Even those systems fail from shit like this. (Not everyone designs or tests their shit like Lynn Thompson) (No I do not work for Cold Steel. I prefer Kershaw and Boker, and Sypderco knives for EDC) First responders and Real world text all operators that use this on a daily basis or when their lives depend on it should go for it and buy the real deal. Still waiting for a Zero Tolerance OTF to come out. I bet it will put everyone else’s to shame.
Can you do one of these tests on MTN forged knives? they seem to be making knives from microtechs old designs like the scarab and the old ultratech. Not sure if they are clones or they own the patents, but they are definitely similar and made in the US.
Fascinating, thx! Couple months ago picked up a small chinese-made knockoff OTF for sumthin' like only 10-15 bucks on Amazon. And while I wouldn't take it 'camping', so far it's actually been pretty handy and reliable as an EDC clipped to my jeans, for doing simple stuff like piercing and slicing thru cardboard, opening packages, cutting cord, etc.. So from the looks of it, many of the cheapo mass-produced knives are starting to 'catch up', and occasionally some of 'em can even be an excellent value.
Question? I have no experience otf or microtech knives. I was curious as to how much slop there is in the blade and handle especially after heavy use? Does it worsen drastically after a torture test?
Willard Scott Hello Willard, they have to have a little bit of blade play for clearance and some light debris. It does not worsen, even after the tests. The only OTF I am even aware of with zero play is the Deadlock. Those are easily over 1k. Thanks
@@XRING thank you for your reply. I have been wanting to upgrade my knife game. I have always had budget folders and been content. I like the idea of otf but don't know of anyone personally that owns a quality knife.
Thanks for showing us the high quality of the counterfeits. Why should I spend the ridiculous amount of money they are asking for the real thing when I can get the knockoff that is "good enough" to do the job for the fraction of the cost?
I looked at one at the last gun show I went to but I didn’t know enough to tell if it was a fake. I’m more informed now if I see another one. I started to trade a shotgun for it but I’m glad i didn’t. 👍
Here is some good news. I am doing a 2 part series on how to spot a Microtech fake. Look for it to drop next week on the Microtech Knives RUclips channel.
Thanks for these videos. I was a bit nervous about plucking down ~350 for one of these. I didn't know if they were legit good quality knives or just hype. I bought my first Microtech because of these videos!
One of these days I'm going to get one of those Microtech's. It's going to have to wait a bit, I get to go back to work on Monday. Surgeon wanted me out for 6wks but my loving employer didn't put my leave in. No paycheck sucks!
Pretty impressive comparison! Interesting that it wasn't the blade lock that failed, it was the handle which I'm guessing is a Zinc alloy which would tend to deform under the hammer blows. 6061 Aluminum isn't the strongest alloy, I would expect that MT would be using 7075 which is much closer to mild steel in tensile strength, but then, that's not how the handle material failed, it failed in compression, though not really "failed" so much as deformed just enough to stall the blade. Most likely the knife could be put back into service by truing up the blade slot, and at least having a light-to-medium duty cutter. Gotta admit the MT UT was impressive!
The real one also has the registered trademark or copyright under the Microtech name on the clip and the under the crest on the front handle. The fake had no such marks
I would still love to see a torture test of a vespa troodon knockoff.. those are on another level than the other crappy China knockoffs. Not all knives sold on aliexpress are created equal and I welcome the competition because that’s what will drive microtech to innovate further...
I have gotten some of the best knives I have seen in the $100-250 range on AliExpress and DHgate. Sure they are clones, but amazing knives. Got two Microtech Sigil clones that are just amazing. Got a Shirogorov RFT that is the sharpest I have ever seen a knife straight out of the box. Got a Shirogorov 110KS that is just a marvel of machining quality and smoothness. Got a Fischer Battle in damascus that blew my mind. There have been bad ones also, but fewer than the successes. I think the worst was a ZT 0777 where it is impossible to center the blade properly and still have it flip reliably and a CKF Decepticon with a detent so lose that the knife might open in your pocket.
that counterfeit did pretty good considering no normal person would go so extreme on their pocket knife. for 30$-40$ its not bad at all. it just shows how much some companies overcharge for their products...
The Microtech is not overcharging at all. The parts are made in the US instead of using chinese labor. They have to pay their workers a lot more than the chinese do, since our SOL is a lot higher.
@@notgray88 sure, labor costs are much higher than in China. However most of the work is automated and done on assembly lines. That is why it's hard for me to justify price of $764.26 for Microtech Troodon Tanto. Most of Microtech knives cost way too much, e.g. Microtech Ultratech OTF D/E Automatic Knife. Price: $935.00 or Microtech Combat Troodon Knife Price $1,150.00 I'm not even gonna mention Microtech Marfione Line where one knife can cost you $2,500.00. I know that most of Microtech knives cost in the range of $300-$500 but Kershaw knives average price is around $50 up to $100. Kershaw knives are made in Oregon. It is just my opinion, that Microtech is charging little too much for their products and I can see why some might want counterfeit instead.
I would of loved to see if the blade and the parts from the clone would work in the real microtech, also tbh if they dropped the logo's on the knife they're making and just sold them as is it actually wouldn't be a horrible edc knife for a more budget minded person because for the $40-$60 price point it would actually be a really sweet knife for the money.
Ah yes, that 380$ extra for the actual microtec so that I can drive it through a 2×4 is completely worth it. Granted yes, if it is blatantly ripping the company off with branding, no thanks. However if it's just the design I'll gladly pay the 20$ for the "cheap crap" that is nearly on par for less than 1/10th the price.
I could buy 5 of the fake ones and replace them if they ever break and it would still be cheaper then buying 1 real one, I think I also would feel better hammering on a cheap one then a $300-500 one
X-RING - just sucks when you want to buy the real thing and you can’t be sure unless you really know the product. Lucky for me I have places to buy that I trust.
I had a lightning OTF for three years never abused it and then it started to fail I wanted something better I love my knife but I didn't want to spend a lot of money for a high-quality Microtech so I bought a Vespa wasp combat Troodon clone and I am very impressed in the Precision quality for $160 you can't go wrong
Based on your recommendation, I got a Microtech Ultratech clone made by HiFinder. It's amazing; has better tolerances than the real thing and D2 is plenty good enough for me. These clones are just amazing
A little homework about Elmax steel: It is a tougher steel with high carbon content that hardens to Rockwell 61-62. It is also a powdered steel...meaning Elmax steel powder is compressed into ingots - or blade shapes, then heated to form the final part. Interestingly, in other areas of the consumer market, POWDERED steels are considered total crap! Many in the gun world never grow tired of dissing powdered metals as being "cheap" and "weak" and subject to breakage compared to good old forged and machined steel! Interesting indeed! Sure, eventually, all steel items will be formed from a powdered alloy because this is easier to create parts in the final shape and near dimension, and of course in 3D additive manufacturing, though even now that process is far too expensive for common knife making.
Sure you can buy a clone otf knife that's identical, reasonably well-built, dependable and a fraction of the price of the original but the jokes on you because it's not a REAL Microtech! Ha!
Wow, I am stunned by the lack of ethics in many of these comments. Some are saying things like, "Wow X-Ring, you showed me how great a clone is! I'm going to go get one." First of all, X-ring did not demonstrate what happens to cheap steel when testing it as he did. AUS-8 (which is probably what these knock-offs use) can do all of the stuff X-Ring did, but will roll and possibly even chip. Bohler M390 (which is what many Microtech blades are made of) will also withstand those tests AND keep their edge without damage. But, on top of all that, even if these knock-offs can do what you need them to do, you are supporting criminal enterprises when you buy them! If they were simply crappy 30.00 look-alikes, it would be one thing, but these clowns are counterfeiting the Microtech logo and branding. They are pirates, period. Supporting their deception is unethical at best, if not downright immoral. Look, if you can't afford a Microtech, that's OK. They are expensive. So, go get a Lightning OTF instead. It'll only cost you 30.00 and you didn't sell out. Lightnings are from an honest company who doesn't pretend to be something they are not. One day, when you can afford the real thing, it's be a much sweeter experience.
You are 100% correct James and I appreciate your comment on this. Seems like cost is the only deciding factor and nothing else matters to a few people.
@@XRING Thank you sir. BTW, I just watched the video where you burned and abused your Combat Troodon. I found it because I just purchased one and wanted to see some reviews. Wow, I was impressed. I know that to some they may see your torture tests as extreme but I, for one, want to see just how far I could push my tools without actually having to. I appreciate your work! Keep it up.
I think is its far worse that there companies try to screw us by selling knives at a 900% mark up, if Chinese knockoffs are good enough to compete and at 1/10 of the cost then it is obvious who is getting screwed
Microtech is awesome!! I have owned numerous microtech knives. Super, super sharp!! My best butterfly knife is a limited edition microtech. Totally recommend microtech knives. Sad to see these copies though. They did that to some chris reeves folders too. Watch out for the counterfeits! Nice knives man!!
Thats a real testament, to show quality of Mircotech !! Although I think the test was to hard for that particular type blade & mechanism. Nevertheless it did prove a major difference.
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You did a good job selling the Chinese knock off. I'm sold.
Lmfao
Chinese manufacturing isn't that bad after all
Exactly. I’d rather break or lose the knock off and buy another one rather than the real deal.
I can imagine him standing there just PRAYING for that knife to fail
I bought an Atomic Defender, a Titan, and a Lightning Elite for under $100 total. I've carried and used all of them for 1+ year as EDCs for work, in which I use them for opening tons of boxes and mail.
I also fidget with them constantly.
They have all had thousands of deployments and retractions, and they all still work just as well now as when I bought them.
I will never buy another Microtech. They are simply a waste of money for ego and brand.
I understand the FEELING and EMOTION of exclusive tribalism when you buy a super overpriced name brand thing like a Microtech, but I also have enough experience to understand that spending 5x the amount on a name brand buys you nothing except that name brand and the bragging rights for having spent a lot of money on it.
Want a D/A OTF that functions fine for years with a lot of daily use? You're gonna be perfectly satisfied with a "budget" option like Lightning, Titan, Atomic, or AKC.
Me: Hey I just bought a ultratech
Friend: Is it real?
Me: Dunno, let me get get a hammer and 2x4.
After the hammer & 2x4 with d Microtech….
Me: SOLD!!! I’m getting the clone. 😂
Was….. was it real?
Damn, that clone is a tuff SOB for $30, I figured it wouldn't take one wack on that nail test! Thanks for the display!
I'm sold!!!! Getting the knock off this week.!!!!!
so your gonna support china? I think it would be better to do without if you can't afford the real thing, you would be nothing short of a trader
@@dannynimmo3052 so you don't buy ANY Chinese products?? Highly doubt that
@@dannynimmo3052 Then America better step up its game. That’s capitalism.
Maybe black ops is just smarter with his money into spend the same amount of money for a small knife then you could buy a new Glock for.
@@montanaplease understandable but we are at war with China I think I'd do with out rather than contribute to their economy
I would never do any of those things with a otf knife!
smileydogg24 of course not. The point is to stress it until it fails to discover the actual limits of the blade for a comparison to an authentic blade.
smileydogg24 exactly that’s why we are here to watch him do it for us. By the way thank you buddy, I appreciate you subjecting your gear to these tests for science
Wouldn't do any of those things to any pocket knife that wasn't a fixed blade
That's what the word TORTURE means.
Lol nope !
I dunno... It looks like to me that unless you plan on doing something really stupid with your knife, a $30 clone will do anything you can reasonably expect a knife to do... and for a ton less money.
It also looks like the clone makers could spend about $10 more on heat treating the lock parts and still produce a knife that keeps up with Microtech in this kind of test, again for hundreds less. ( Which points to Microtech and others overcharging for what you actually get. )
But then maybe I'm crazy for expecting a knife to be just that, and not a wood chisel or a nail. * shrug*
its slave labor
@@Pillowpetlover - Everybody's a slave to something or someone else.
After all, how many people REALLY hate their job, but don't leave it because they feel like they can't?
Believe me, nobody works for somebody else because they want to. They do it because they have to if they want to survive.
That cheap steal will really show after a couple hundred thousand clicks. My ultratech has been abused daily working in construction and its battered and beat but fires everytime
@@guarddog318 yeah they do overcharge, benchmade and spyderco overcharge as well, but with my spyderco knives, I know I have quality steel with a good heat treat that noticeably outperforms cheap knives, and they pay their workers a living wage. I'm willing to pay their prices to support them and keep them in business. Yes, I could get by just fine on a cheap clone, but I like quality, and I like supporting American businesses that treat their workers well.
Only boys play w there knives...in safe, out kill....
You did a damn fine job of proving that the Microtech is overpriced.
How so? One broke the microtech survived .
@@mattmorrison9379 One's about $50, the other over $300. There's a 600% difference in price, and the cheap one performs nearly as well as the expensive one. It "failed" when induced to stress no reasonable person would be subjecting their knife to (hammering it through a 2x4). If the cheapo would spend a few bucks more on better raw steel, it probably would have passed that test too.
@@heathwasson7811 fair enough, personally I like having a real one it definitely feels better than some clones I've held but hey to each their own it's all good.:)
It's amazing the amount of money you can save on production when you steal someone else's R&D, use cheaper materials, skimp on QC, don't offer a warranty, and probably don't pay your employees a fair wage.
@@blc628 Yeah, no shit. Everyone's fully aware of that. Like we don't know the reason one can sell for $50 and the other for $300? Glad you came around to straighten everyone out on that. Feel good about yourself now that you had the chance to dazzle everyone with your stunning economical analysis?
Regardless of real or clone, you are still the type of person I never lend a knife to. 😂
LOL! I’m usually the guy giving away knives😂.
Where you do giveaways? I got so much money in microtech would love to win one!!! Can send pictures for proof with the boxes lol!
@@knifeaddict1014 he's probably talking about lending knives to people
No, I give them away all the time on my channel.
@@XRING Awesome! I subbed and I'll keep an eye out for a give away, I'll check out some of your other videos latter when I'm bored.
You just proved that if you buy that knock off knife its actually well worth the money, because in reality that test is not something you do to a knife of that type.
I agree..... That knife took a good beating lol
Exactly my thoughts. Bought a good replica a couple days ago, the happiest I've ever been with a new knife (my first otf knife as well).
Made me a believer, I mean I have a hatchet that clone is not going to work that hard in my world
Absolutely. Who the heck is using an OTF to chop a plank in half?
Naw, no way! Fail when you least expect it! Real McCoy only please! 🤣
I’d never do that with ANY of my ultratechs but I’m impressed with what it and the clone can handle. Never would’ve figured
Wish has crash deals on them for 3 bucks. I get them just to use not to sell
I'd never even thought of doing something like that to a knife.
@@Shooters141 maybe with a fixed blade or a very sturdy folder like an extrema ratio rao or a coldsteel sr1, definetly not with ANY otf
I have owned a real Microtech Halo V for 6 years now. I thought what the hell, let's buy a knock off and compare the two. I paid $100 for the knockoff. It came in a real Microtech box with real Microtech paperwork. I was blown away by the quality of this particular brand knockoff. EVERYTHING was spot on, the fit and finish, the hardware, and the action. When deployed the blade has virtually no play in it, don't know what steel the blade is made of but it took an edge, and has held it. My guess is like an Aus 8 or something similar. When you go to retract the blade, the slide has all the info on it that the original does. I was so impressed that I keep my REAL Halo V in the gun safe and play with the knockoff. It was such a faithful copy that I have even fooled other Microtech owners with it. So not all knockoffs are created equal. I think it was a Vespa.
Bc they are not knockoffs...all the shit is made in China..so the "knockoffs" are not knockoffs at all..u just getting it at a cheaper price due to where u buy from..wish has knifes that are exactly the same..300 here under 100 from wish..n halg the shit made in usa is a lie anyway..its ridiculous..all for a selling point..but yea its not a knockoff mate..same same
Fo u rem where u got it? I wld like to get a clone for work abuse.
The one I just ordered yesterday from here: www.dhgate.com/product/red-blue-orange-handle-mt-automatic-knife/480677414.html?f=edm|auto|auto_shipping_2017|browse1|20200422 says that it's D2 blade steel. I'm kinda doubting that but I'll see when it gets here. If it's hard to sharpen then you know. I'm basically buying this as a toy. Are people(soldiers) really taking these to war? I doubt it. More likely a fixed blade of some kind. I saw the Vespas on this site but I know nothing about them.
James B microtechs are made in the US. Not fucking China
Hey Jay just bc it says that doesnt mean it is...every single part was made in China..gets assembled here....MADE IN USA...Yayyy
Not legal in Canada. I tried to convince my wife to move that did not work.
can still get them pretty easily lol
Leave her there!
Actually any flee market that as people selling knives got em under the counter everywhere in Canada , quebec Montreal etc..if you ask discretly and calmly , the person will show you his under the counter goodies like otf's , butterfly knives, brass knuckles , tazers , chinese stars and if your lucky one or two revolvers 😁 eh eh eh
Remember something it's only illegal if you get caught with it respect it and live to love it
@BrutalJuice I just got my Vespa wasp from dhgate it's a Microtech Troodon clone it was $160 and the Precision Machining and everything about the knife is beautiful you won't be disappointed and yes you will receive in the mail no questions asked
In my hometown we have a knife maker that was a contestant of “Forged in Fire” reality show on History Channel. He sales his knives at a extremely reasonable price. Reason: he doesn’t feel that there is no reason anyone should sale a knife at a high price considering the material at hand and readily available in today’s market. He’s older and honest along with the best blacksmith I know. He has knives priced a a premium only when very specific to a buyer. Good man with good intentions
Men like him are what made this country great .🇺🇸
Name? I'll give him some business!
The labor is what's expensive.
I am a poor college student and I live in Europe where everything you get from USA is pretty much double the price you pay there. But since i am a knife maker and collector I appreciate the design and quality of the original. And I want to support the one who bust his head to come up with this design. So I only ate pasta with tomato sauce for 4 months in order to collect the money and in 2014 I bought my first real microtech. To this day 6 years later I have not regret it one bit. I know that the counterfeit if very good for the money but they don't have to spend money for research, for quality parts and American labour. I make knives I would want anyone to copy my designs for less $. In order for me to come up with one knife I have to break 2- 3 complete knives to test if the design is good enough. The copycats will just skip all this. Anyway I think that counterfeiting is just unacceptable wrong. The only way microtech can defeat them is to make a cheaper line in the company that are made in China. Like Byrd knives from Spyderco!
No this will only cheaper their brand.
You are spot-on, Counterfeiting is despicable to me! The world would be a truly amazing place if it was full of people like you! Where do I buy one of your knifes?
@@chrisdonnelly5904 Thank you so much for your kind words mr Donnelly. I am very humbled to hear that you would take interest in my knives. Unfortunately i dont have something available at this moment because i only do it part time, and because i still in the beginning of my carrier it takes quite a while before a complete a full knife and most sell out really fast. Faster that i can make them. But here instagram.com/parissis_works you can see a very small sample of my work since the instagram account is very recent. But i am planning on posting more of my work there and in a more regular basis. So if you like something you can contact me directly. I have a geat passion for cutlery and I currently do it because i love it and there is nothing else i love more, not to make money. I am trying to do the best job i can with the equipment and the skill i have. And hopefully become, someday, one of the more popular designers in the industry! Thank you again sir and have wonderful holidays. Btw my comment did not have any intension of promoting myself. I was just saying what was on my head!
Is t byrd like spyderco brother or something tho and he just left to do his own thing?
спрос - рождает предложение.
Китай не победить :) они могут сделать даже лучше оригинала если им достаточно заплатить за работу - пример подделки Shirogorov
Then maybe some of those knives manufacturers need to adjust there price point 400 for a pocket knife is absolutely crazy!!
Lmao that's normal pricing for a top quality knife check out bladehq and youll find knives way more expensive
People say that to me all the time! They also have 20 pairs of $100+ shoes, $900 cellphones, and credit card debt...Fun part about being an adult is spending money on shit YOU like :D
Eatsoup3 this is a very underrated reply that I couldn’t agree more with
@@Eatsoup3 Wow, very well said sir.
I agree 100% .
The mark up is crazy on knives and I’m in the machining business
This was extremely informative. Thanks for the in-depth comparison ... 😁👍
Honestly not bad for a chinese knockoff.
What I was thinking
No clue what steel they use in them but I've seen friends clones that are spot on and some even better feeling and looking than some of my older factory knives lol
Not bad?!that shit broke in two minutes!
Yea who the fuck uses their knife as a nail.
Mr. Hammer ! 😂
I have friends who I’ve watched gamble away hundreds of dollars in one night that tell me I’m an idiot for spending over 200 on my micro tech...
Right. And if you had to you can sell your knife.
At least you can recoup your investment.
Your exactly right! But they will tell you that 20 more dollars in the machine is going to hit the big one, I worked in a store for 7 years that sold lotto tickets, The House Always Wins
You mean 'had' friends? 😉
As always, great test! Keep them coming!
Thanx!
I lost my job a few years ago, so I did what any reasonable person would do. I went and bought my first Microtech Ultratech. I didn’t fear finding work and buying the knife for myself cemented the fact from my mind into reality. Found a new better paying job before my knife even arrived. I wouldn’t sell the knife for anything. I love that Ultratech.
You are an inspiration!!!
Excellent!
Your point has been proved, thank you for clearing up that i can save 140$ and get a knockoff just as long as i dont carelessly nail it into a piece of wood for no reason :)
As long as I don't want to punch a hole in 2x4 with my pocket knife it's not that bad knife
I’ve been carrying the same Ultratch since 2012 and have never had a problem that a basic air blowout and oiling couldn’t fix. I’ve even had it submerged for a day while rafting and it’s still working strong.
I just purchased a ultratech been carring it for a week it feels great and man your videos give me alot of faith in it
Awesome Austin. As long as you maintain it regularly with Aerosol Rem oil you will be good to go!
@@XRING will do thank you im get a combat troodon next
Love these videos. Have to realize that this is a biased test though with your connection with microtech. Unbiased reviews and tests have more credibility.
True, I now work for Microtech as of January. How does that break the internal lock on the counterfeit knife. 🤷♂️
Some of his tests were before he even worked there. Biased or not it doesnt take a genius to see the chinesium specials are nowhere close in quality
@@XRING Its doesn't break anything on the counterfeit knife but it sure as shit guaranteed you didn't perform the full spectrum of tests on the microtech that you did on the fake. Microtechs are cool and kinda fancy and everybody gets the whole gimmick but you could've done a fair test. You didn't. Pretty simple.
Solidus Lives You need to watch the full tests I did on all of the Microtechs.
Real microtech knives are well worth the money. I bought a knock off just to scratch the itch of wanting one and was immediately disappointed with the quality and reliability. I dug down deep in my pocket and bought the utx 85. When I received the knife I was worried I was going to regret spending that much money on a pocket knife. It was hard to see the value until I had it in my hand. I work in machining so I can appreciate the value of a real microtech. My utx and I have been inseparable since I bought it. I have actually had five people go out and buy one as a gift for someone after handling mine. I recommend them to people all the time. They are truly amazing knives and a must have for any one who is into hunting, EDC, and or collecting. Hell I've seen people who don't care for any of those things end up wanting one after handling mine. I am in no way affiliated with microtech or anyone for that matter. Save up and get the real thing. You won't regret it. Most people I see on RUclips have five or six decent quality knock offs. At fifty dollars or more a pop that is more than enough money to go out and get a full size ultratech. Another thing people forget about when scoffing at the price of a microtech is that when you buy the knife it is basically a piggy bank. You barely lose any money if you decide to sell one and if you get a rare color, blade, and hardware combination you can actually gain money in the long run. Buying a microtech is a good as buying any high end fire arm. It holds it's value and is worth being seen as an investment rather than a spontaneous purchase. Anyhow, I'm done. ✌️
I would not be able to hammer my 230 dollar knife through anything without crying.
then buy an affordable knife so you can actually use it..
😂😂😂
in europe is over 460euros...
i better use a mora for batoning. and is 10 euros, dirty cheap and original.
Get a Benchmade OTF.
Apparently there are a few sites selling entire replacement blades for these clones for cheap too now
I love the little speed ups you do,
Love these reviews, hope to have one some day, man it looks like all the channels I like are going to patreon and now I have a hard decision to make because I can’t afford all three of you guys, but it is totally understandable and I will support one or maybe two of y’all, man ( scratching my head)
Thanks and it’s all good Hoot. I will continue releasing videos on this channel as well.
It really is amazing they survive the nail test.
That was great! To be fair, my real mini Microtech failed just like the clone did here and I didn't do any sort of abusive things with it :'(
Great test. Is the pocket clip reversible? Does that tool you used also remove the glass breaker at the end so the clip can be switched?
The glass breaker on the clone can be removed by inserting something through the holes and unscrewing. The clip can be reversed but is held in by glass breaker. I replaced my glass breaker with a M8 screw cap for .53 at my local hardware store.
Awesome you gave it a true test and showed even when it managed to succeed but at the end of the day it couldn't keep up with the real deal.
will hicks because no one is willing to do that with a real one?
I have a few microtechs that were gifted to me when I left my Special Forces team and when I retired from the Army. They are beautiful works of art. With the custom engraving, they are more sentimental and collector items for me than anything else. I wouldn't mind carrying a knockoff as long as it was NOT branded as the real thing. I typically don't spend more than $50 on my EDC knife. It gets used and abused and occasionally lost. My wife got me an unbranded OTF once. It was cheap and unstoppable. The only negative thing I have to say about it was the pocket clip and glass breaker broke off. I don't carry it anymore because of that so now it permanently lives in my center console of my truck. My recommendation would be to find one of these knockoff microtechs that are unbranded or to pick up a good affordable folder. Personally I prefer an Axis or liner locking mechanism, but that's personal preference.
I want to be clear, I'm not promoting foreign businesses over US businesses (especially local knife makers and gunsmiths if you have them), but at the end of the day, this shit still has to be affordable, and a good knife, regardless of brand, is better than no knife.
Thank you for your service. I appreciate that you understand that knock-offs sometimes have their place. I’m a broke college kid and can’t afford to be carrying a 250+ knife. if an unbranded knockoff is what i can afford and it’s reliable then so be it.
I got sucked in on the knife buying from watching Nutnfancy videos and since then the market has just shot upwards with apparently no end in sight. I find it ridiculous too. You can buy several guns or even a used car for what some of these high-end knives are going for now. I have like 35 now, but only a few were more than $50. After retiring I have little use for them now.
What this video showed me is that I can own a "microtech" cheap that will do everything I want it to do.
I have a utx85 clone/fake from DHgate the quality is absolutely top notch. The steel took a shaving sharp polished edge too.
@@YoungMulahBB No warranty though. Too bad.
Just not everything you might "need" it to.
@@MrMZaccone Yeah in the moment you take apart of Microtech you void your warranty so what's your point? I have my car tax I have old vintage rare ones I have a 85's and 70"s. I think the point that he was trying to make is with the knockoffs I can buy five of them for what I'm going to pay for one Microtech. And let's be honest I've never used the knife warranty in 42 years of carrying a knife. You don't this stupid crap with your knife you never need the warranty.
For 6x the price, the Microtech probably isn't worth it, for most people
Love this channel! Just bought the Molon Labe. Absolutely love it!! Keep up the great work!!
Thanks Choirboyz! I appreciate it.
Great video Ray. I love your videos. I have purchased several Microtech knives after watching your videos.
I've had one of those hellhound clones from DHgate for 4 years now. I've never tried to nail it into a board but I've been rough with it and it's still going strong. All the ones I've seen advertised say it's D2 steel and that's what it feels like, it's better than those 3cr13 Tacforce knives. As long as you know going into it you're basically buying a $40 knife and not to expect $400 worth of quality it's all good.
Tbf it costs 33$ for a fake on alibaba and who needs to nail a knife into a 2x4.... ok its disposable and not as good as a real one but 33$... microtech is too expensive
@me Me exact
james lordan save your money and buy a real one.
You don't only pay for the knife.. you pay for the quality and the life time warranty! Well worth it, I definitely save up for the real deal
I do understand that the real thing is going to be better but it is more than 10 x the price it’s crazy ! You can almost get a sebensa for that money (which is also expensive imo)
@@jameslordan3378 yeah that's why I don't own yet.. u do own a few benchmades and they are equally expensive but I love em to death. There's 2 knives I do want to get that I would hands down get before an micro tech which they are custom handmade knives by Lyle Bronkhourst, his starfighter pocket knife and his Damascus steel bowie fighting knife, which he does 90°bend tests on the spare blanks of the knives he makes to order to make sure they stand up to his standards and don't snap. The starfighter is 800$ and the bowie 1300 D: definitely check them/his work out! He has 40 years of knife making experience! images.app.goo.gl/ago7twK5KdXqcpG88
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Are the screws the same size on the x85 as the full sized microtech? Looking at getting some different colored screws I found on eBay but doesn’t say anything about fitting the x85 or the smaller 70 one.
It the UT and x-85 screws are the same as long as they are modern models. They will not fit the 70.
That was the best blade video I have seen in quite some time. You are just cool.. not much else to add to that. I am subbed! and by the way that baby blue handled Ultratech look absolutely amazing. I'm going to watch some more I don't know much about guns but seems I'll be learning about them too here.
I have one of those $30.00 Lightning out the front knives and I have ruthlessly cut string and opened boxes with it and it hasn’t failed yet. Incredible!! I even dropped it one time. 😆
I love my lightning. Cheep enough for me to abuse and maybe lose it.
Yeah i gave mine away to a coworker because im a retard i used it pretty ruffly and it was fine
thats basically all anyone uses their $400 knives for too lol.
Cool to see the internals of the clone and see the differences in manufacturing.
Dumb question here but I am very new to autos. Most traditional lock back knives would fail at the blade pivot if you did half of the things I have seen done to autos. I would have expected the autos to fail easier than a regular lock back. What is the difference in construction that seems to make these autos so durable? Thanks.
Hey Average Joe. I think it is their use of quality materials for all of their knives. Almost all of their internal parts are machined and not just stamped metal parts. Thanks for watching the channel. Stay safe and healthy.
Great info xring keep em coming
They will knock off anything! 🙄 I got to put my hands on some custom Microtech knives today made by the owner polished blades & all. 😍 Thanks for Sharing, Carry On
I ordered two knives off dh gate. The benchmade 9400 came in two weeks and is fantastic. The fakerotec halo vi is still in the mail and it hasn't updated shipping in over a month. Even if it never shows it was worth it for the benchmade clone. I think it's best to buy the most expensive one with reviews.
Did the Halo ever arrive?
@@aznazguy sure did. Absolute perfection. No blade play whatsoever unlike the real ones and unlike the real ones it came with a tool to disassemble. I've fired it a couple hundred times and it's still holding up great. I
For microtech OTF series knives, do I have to use anti rust oil every time if the knife gets dirty or if water gets into the handle after washing the knife after cutting fruit? Thank you.
I would definitely wash it out after cutting anything acidic or sticky for the OTF knives. Apples come to mind quite often.
I know this video is old and a lot of the comments are praising the knockoff. Not me. I've never been a fan of otf knives until recently i just got into them, and i have a genuine Ultratech, but you sold me on Microtech brother. Great video.
Thanks Teehan and thanks for watching and commenting . 👍🏼
‘Just doing a nail test’
Because everyone hammers their knives into a 2x4, amirite?
when is this man gonna test a different high dollar otf, I would love to see him put a guardian tactical otf to the test as those look far more beefy than the microtech lineup but only an intense test will prove it
How do you sharpen your knives? Carry a Griptillian by Benchmade and want to get it as sharp as it was new. Can send it to them, but would like to do it whenever I want/need to.
for starters dont let it get dull... buy a strop and some compound to put on one side of it and strop it the night after using it for example. its pretty easy to keep a sharp knife sharp but more difficult to resharpen it after letting it dull. worksharp sells from nice little hand sharpeners that would work. they sell a little guided field sharpener for 25 bucks and then they also sell a guided sharpener that pivots side to side as you sharpen that away its more forgiving if you dont angle the knife correctly while sharpening down to the end its around 50 bucks.
worksharp also sells an automatic knife sharpener that plugs in for 50 bucks. Ive only used the field sharpener and its a nice little sharpener for 25 bucks. granted you may have to sort of freehand it if your knife isnt near the same angle as the guides.
lanskys are also nice too and allow you to sharpen at more angles its also a good buy.
Love these videos. I have a Combat Troodon and 2 Ultratechs👍🌴 These video’s helped me decide on all 3 of them.
I think you just sold me on the clone. 🤷♂️ I mean I’m never gonna do any of the test you just did. And It looks like it can take a beating. And for 40$ what am I really losing. If microtech was cheaper of course I’d go that route but at 10% the cost how can you go wrong.
I predict you will be wasting a lot of your money re-buying things. Better to save up and buy once.
I have a utx clone from DHgate was 38. The quality is amazing. Fit and finish is amazing. Action is fast and solid. And blade took a shaving polished edge on my work sharp. Iv been beating on it and using it for everything and its held up great.
Only downside is no warrantee but there easy to strip down and work on if needed
Not that I condone buying clones but those Microtechs are way overpriced for what they are. It would be a cool knife at $125. Costs them prob $20 to make it.
They cost WAY more than that to make. I did the series on birth of an Ultratech on the channel. Really made me understand what all goes into them. Not justifying the price, just stating the facts. Thanks for watching.
I met this guy that talked me into getting one and I never looked back
Bald&curious Shady character wasn’t he? 😄
Not going to lie when I saw all that it could do I actually thought it was pretty sweet for the money and tbh for what most people would do with an otf knife it would be a much cooler and fun knife then something like a Lightning otf would be and around the same price.
Outstanding, great information. Thank you
Thanks Hugh
Yep. I have two Microtechs now and they are quality.
The Vespa OTF's steal largely from Microtec designs, but they don't market them AS Microtecs... They put them over their own label and they do make some aesthetic changes to them. Their knifes however, ARE legit premium steels... Their lower level $80 knives are D2, but the $130-$230 knives are M390, etc... Several buyers have sent theirs off to a metalergy firm for testing and got the test results back and they were legit.
If you are a knife guy it might help you to know the plural is knives
Ders972 that’s your contribution to the discussion? To point out that I didn’t proof read my grammar? One might think that you went that route, because you had no other response to give? Lol. Thank you for policing the internet to make sure that everything is spelled correctly. Not all heroes wear capes.
The point people make about Microtech is that they claim the knife costs $10 to make (wrong) and they should sell them for $40. Now a China based company is making their own OTF knife but feel they need to charge $230 for it. Shouldn't they be able to make a quality OTF for $40? No one doubts that China CAN make a quality knife, but they are not making quality counterfeit knives for $40. Also, when it comes to counterfeits, it isn't in that company's best interest to make a knife that lasts, they rely on repeat business and know if you will buy one $40 knife you'll buy another when that one breaks... and another... and another. Eventually you'll have $300+ of broken counterfeits when you decide to buy one $280 Microtech and you'll finally find happiness.
@Kevin Exactly. Now, when at work, I make the extra effort to correct simple grammar or typos... but in the world of mobile and spotty autocorrect, I don't always catch it.
I do have an ultratech “I don’t mind” doing this... who says that lol
bill gates
People who can afford things
@@Excalibur01 I think you mean disposable income
He works for microtech I believe
@@darkanglesnip3r I bought a Halo 6 clone off of dhgate and brought it to one of my local Microtech dealers (Note I said dealer. Microtech is so proud of their shit is so expensive it has to be financed) (I'm all for quality and made in America but seriously Microtech. And they aren't the only ones) today. When I showed him the knife he could barely tell the difference between the two. It was only after he called Microtech to ask about serial number and ways to identify a fake. The fake Halo VI actually deploys more harder and smoother. Granted the steel and a few other things didn’t hold up over time but what average Joe uses an OTF that damn much. We all know that most of us have one for showing off and shit like that. If you want a hard heavy use folding knife then buy a frame, liner, or lock back like the rest of us do. Even those systems fail from shit like this. (Not everyone designs or tests their shit like Lynn Thompson) (No I do not work for Cold Steel. I prefer Kershaw and Boker, and Sypderco knives for EDC) First responders and Real world text all operators that use this on a daily basis or when their lives depend on it should go for it and buy the real deal.
Still waiting for a Zero Tolerance OTF to come out. I bet it will put everyone else’s to shame.
Can you do one of these tests on MTN forged knives? they seem to be making knives from microtechs old designs like the scarab and the old ultratech. Not sure if they are clones or they own the patents, but they are definitely similar and made in the US.
It was a very informative video. I am going to get my hands on one right now.
I'm going to buy another clone because you are an amazing salesman! Thank you!
I COULDN'T IMAGINE DOING THAT TO MY HALO VI!!!!!
Fascinating, thx! Couple months ago picked up a small chinese-made knockoff OTF for sumthin' like only 10-15 bucks on Amazon. And while I wouldn't take it 'camping', so far it's actually been pretty handy and reliable as an EDC clipped to my jeans, for doing simple stuff like piercing and slicing thru cardboard, opening packages, cutting cord, etc.. So from the looks of it, many of the cheapo mass-produced knives are starting to 'catch up', and occasionally some of 'em can even be an excellent value.
Question? I have no experience otf or microtech knives. I was curious as to how much slop there is in the blade and handle especially after heavy use? Does it worsen drastically after a torture test?
Willard Scott Hello Willard, they have to have a little bit of blade play for clearance and some light debris. It does not worsen, even after the tests. The only OTF I am even aware of with zero play is the Deadlock. Those are easily over 1k. Thanks
@@XRING thank you for your reply. I have been wanting to upgrade my knife game. I have always had budget folders and been content. I like the idea of otf but don't know of anyone personally that owns a quality knife.
Thanks for showing us the high quality of the counterfeits. Why should I spend the ridiculous amount of money they are asking for the real thing when I can get the knockoff that is "good enough" to do the job for the fraction of the cost?
I looked at one at the last gun show I went to but I didn’t know enough to tell if it was a fake. I’m more informed now if I see another one. I started to trade a shotgun for it but I’m glad i didn’t. 👍
Here is some good news. I am doing a 2 part series on how to spot a Microtech fake. Look for it to drop next week on the Microtech Knives RUclips channel.
Thanks for the knowledge about counterfeit Microtech knives , X-Ring !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for these videos. I was a bit nervous about plucking down ~350 for one of these. I didn't know if they were legit good quality knives or just hype. I bought my first Microtech because of these videos!
One of these days I'm going to get one of those Microtech's. It's going to have to wait a bit, I get to go back to work on Monday. Surgeon wanted me out for 6wks but my loving employer didn't put my leave in. No paycheck sucks!
I just got my first one, and I can tell you, it is absolutely astounding. You'll never regret it my friend.
Best way to spent your hard earn money.
Pretty impressive comparison! Interesting that it wasn't the blade lock that failed, it was the handle which I'm guessing is a Zinc alloy which would tend to deform under the hammer blows. 6061 Aluminum isn't the strongest alloy, I would expect that MT would be using 7075 which is much closer to mild steel in tensile strength, but then, that's not how the handle material failed, it failed in compression, though not really "failed" so much as deformed just enough to stall the blade. Most likely the knife could be put back into service by truing up the blade slot, and at least having a light-to-medium duty cutter.
Gotta admit the MT UT was impressive!
Can you post a link to where to buy the clone?
Worked pretty damn good
The real one also has the registered trademark or copyright under the Microtech name on the clip and the under the crest on the front handle. The fake had no such marks
I think the made in China might be a give away
Love microtech. Tony doesn’t play. Built to outlast
I would still love to see a torture test of a vespa troodon knockoff.. those are on another level than the other crappy China knockoffs. Not all knives sold on aliexpress are created equal and I welcome the competition because that’s what will drive microtech to innovate further...
You're totally right .
I have gotten some of the best knives I have seen in the $100-250 range on AliExpress and DHgate. Sure they are clones, but amazing knives. Got two Microtech Sigil clones that are just amazing. Got a Shirogorov RFT that is the sharpest I have ever seen a knife straight out of the box. Got a Shirogorov 110KS that is just a marvel of machining quality and smoothness. Got a Fischer Battle in damascus that blew my mind. There have been bad ones also, but fewer than the successes. I think the worst was a ZT 0777 where it is impossible to center the blade properly and still have it flip reliably and a CKF Decepticon with a detent so lose that the knife might open in your pocket.
What kind of watch are you wearing?
that counterfeit did pretty good considering no normal person would go so extreme on their pocket knife. for 30$-40$ its not bad at all. it just shows how much some companies overcharge for their products...
The Microtech is not overcharging at all. The parts are made in the US instead of using chinese labor. They have to pay their workers a lot more than the chinese do, since our SOL is a lot higher.
@@notgray88 sure, labor costs are much higher than in China. However most of the work is automated and done on assembly lines. That is why it's hard for me to justify price of $764.26 for Microtech Troodon Tanto. Most of Microtech knives cost way too much, e.g.
Microtech Ultratech OTF D/E Automatic Knife. Price: $935.00
or Microtech Combat Troodon Knife Price $1,150.00
I'm not even gonna mention Microtech Marfione Line where one knife can cost you $2,500.00.
I know that most of Microtech knives cost in the range of $300-$500 but Kershaw knives average price is around $50 up to $100. Kershaw knives are made in Oregon. It is just my opinion, that Microtech is charging little too much for their products and I can see why some might want counterfeit instead.
I would of loved to see if the blade and the parts from the clone would work in the real microtech, also tbh if they dropped the logo's on the knife they're making and just sold them as is it actually wouldn't be a horrible edc knife for a more budget minded person because for the $40-$60 price point it would actually be a really sweet knife for the money.
the same material
i have a question. How long does microtech otf springs last? Are they stainless steel?
We test them on a machine that will go anywhere from 60-80k actuations.
Got a link or where can we get a clone like the one you used in this vid? @x-ring
Ah yes, that 380$ extra for the actual microtec so that I can drive it through a 2×4 is completely worth it.
Granted yes, if it is blatantly ripping the company off with branding, no thanks. However if it's just the design I'll gladly pay the 20$ for the "cheap crap" that is nearly on par for less than 1/10th the price.
I could buy 5 of the fake ones and replace them if they ever break and it would still be cheaper then buying 1 real one, I think I also would feel better hammering on a cheap one then a $300-500 one
Some these counterfeits are amazingly accurate. It’s crazy.
TeensierPython - Yes they are. Not just Microtech but a slew of others as well.
X-RING - just sucks when you want to buy the real thing and you can’t be sure unless you really know the product. Lucky for me I have places to buy that I trust.
I really like you're videos man
i have a lighting otf im saving up to get a Microtech thats my dream knife
I had a lightning OTF for three years never abused it and then it started to fail I wanted something better I love my knife but I didn't want to spend a lot of money for a high-quality Microtech so I bought a Vespa wasp combat Troodon clone and I am very impressed in the Precision quality for $160 you can't go wrong
Based on your recommendation, I got a Microtech Ultratech clone made by HiFinder. It's amazing; has better tolerances than the real thing and D2 is plenty good enough for me. These clones are just amazing
Keep telling yourself that.
I have a hifinder too the clone is far away better for the money my friend.
Great review - great video, man
A little homework about Elmax steel: It is a tougher steel with high carbon content that hardens to Rockwell 61-62. It is also a powdered steel...meaning Elmax steel powder is compressed into ingots - or blade shapes, then heated to form the final part. Interestingly, in other areas of the consumer market, POWDERED steels are considered total crap! Many in the gun world never grow tired of dissing powdered metals as being "cheap" and "weak" and subject to breakage compared to good old forged and machined steel! Interesting indeed!
Sure, eventually, all steel items will be formed from a powdered alloy because this is easier to create parts in the final shape and near dimension, and of course in 3D additive manufacturing, though even now that process is far too expensive for common knife making.
Sure you can buy a clone otf knife that's identical, reasonably well-built, dependable and a fraction of the price of the original but the jokes on you because it's not a REAL Microtech! Ha!
I open packages with my OTF, it’s not a survival knife. This comparison means nothing to me.
21maggot4life yeah, hard to look away from that car crash. 😂
Be careful the clone makers might be watching and they might up their game 😂
Love your Fenix!!!! I have one too. Great taste sir
Thanks Nick! They are great watches.
Wow, I am stunned by the lack of ethics in many of these comments. Some are saying things like, "Wow X-Ring, you showed me how great a clone is! I'm going to go get one." First of all, X-ring did not demonstrate what happens to cheap steel when testing it as he did. AUS-8 (which is probably what these knock-offs use) can do all of the stuff X-Ring did, but will roll and possibly even chip. Bohler M390 (which is what many Microtech blades are made of) will also withstand those tests AND keep their edge without damage. But, on top of all that, even if these knock-offs can do what you need them to do, you are supporting criminal enterprises when you buy them! If they were simply crappy 30.00 look-alikes, it would be one thing, but these clowns are counterfeiting the Microtech logo and branding. They are pirates, period. Supporting their deception is unethical at best, if not downright immoral. Look, if you can't afford a Microtech, that's OK. They are expensive. So, go get a Lightning OTF instead. It'll only cost you 30.00 and you didn't sell out. Lightnings are from an honest company who doesn't pretend to be something they are not. One day, when you can afford the real thing, it's be a much sweeter experience.
You are 100% correct James and I appreciate your comment on this. Seems like cost is the only deciding factor and nothing else matters to a few people.
@@XRING Thank you sir. BTW, I just watched the video where you burned and abused your Combat Troodon. I found it because I just purchased one and wanted to see some reviews. Wow, I was impressed. I know that to some they may see your torture tests as extreme but I, for one, want to see just how far I could push my tools without actually having to. I appreciate your work! Keep it up.
I think is its far worse that there companies try to screw us by selling knives at a 900% mark up, if Chinese knockoffs are good enough to compete and at 1/10 of the cost then it is obvious who is getting screwed
Microtech is awesome!! I have owned numerous microtech knives. Super, super sharp!! My best butterfly knife is a limited edition microtech. Totally recommend microtech knives. Sad to see these copies though. They did that to some chris reeves folders too. Watch out for the counterfeits! Nice knives man!!
Thanks Guitar Hiker and thank you for watching the channel.
Any chance you could do this test with a cobratec?
The heads-up is appreciated
I’ve got to buy one. 🤤
Ain’t nothin’ like the real thing, dude! ⚔️😁👍
Thats a real testament, to show quality of Mircotech !! Although I think the test was to hard for that particular type blade & mechanism. Nevertheless it did prove a major difference.
You are AWESOME. YOU ARE THE MAN. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
LOL! Thanks Josh H. I appreciate you watching and I hope you are doing well.