A 79 ton 4 6 0 steamer plus its own tender of 25 tones,,,, moving a massive 224 ton 2 10 4,not counting another 100 tons tender weight,I am awed that the little engine could.Nice show and some excellent work by the engineer.
I became a Fireman then Engineer on the old Baldwin 4-8-4s for Santa Fe Railway in 1945, coal oil was the main oil we used, it was much easier to regulate the oil then was using an old banjo to shovel coal. I haven't seen a Cooke Steamer in a few years, and a great looking Lima. I miss the old steam locomotives :-)
Just visited the TSRR in July. The steam engine used was an Arizona Magma RR 2-8-0. I did not see these two locos. The steam engine pulled the Piney Woods Excursion leaving Palestine. An Alco pulled the Rusk excursion train. Great ride and a lot of fun, especially for the grandchildren. If you intend to take the excursion, pack a lunch or you can order box lunches when you make reservations because there's no place at either depot to eat. The layover is about an hour.
I love the old time trains. Brings me back to Butch Cassidy days and makes me long for a simpler time in America. Interesting and lovely video. Thanks for sharing.
Love those old steam engines. They were predominant when I was a small boy (I'm now 70), and we used to always go down to the tracks behind our house and watch them pass by since we knew their schedules...
It's difficult to see in the video as the camera placement was just below the plane of the rail; however, the sander was being used during the move. It might have been helpful to have been able to apply the sand to multiple drivers rather than just the middle driver.
Excellent illustration of the problems pushing a 200+-ton 2-10-4 Lima Super-Power and tender with a light ten-wheeler. The engineer on #201 must have really had to finesse the throttle with the shifter full aft.
Beautiful facilities above flood plain (reason for grade), infrastructure is first class. Great RV campground. Restored Station is excellent. Tourist events are ongoing and well attended, even The Polar Express. Texas is a great train state. Enthusiasm is high to maintain the past. Rusk, at other end of this section, is also nice. Jay Gould's private rail car 'Atlanta', is now a restored museum piece in Jefferson Texas, an 1800's Steamboat Port. Southeast Texas, a great retreat into the past.
The high pitch whine you hear is actually the dynamo, a steam powered generator used to provide electricity for the locomotive's lights. As far as fuel goes, oil is a major part of our history. Southern Pacific and Santa Fe pioneered the use of oil in steam locomotives starting in the mid 1890's, and became the dominant fuel source in the southwestern United States until the end of the steam era in the 1950's. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents!
I believe that the diesel in the background is an Alco RSD-3. If I am not mistaken, it has A-1-A trucks on it. It was originally built for the US Military and the builder's plate probably has a different model number on it because the military has their own way of doing stuff like that. But it would be the equivalent of an RSD-3 that was sold to the common carriers..
Well done video! Was any smoke exiting that chimney on the building? What is done to prevent damage to the cold locomotive from moving? What lubricates the pistons against their cylinder walls? Could there not be much damage? Thank you.
This train is the best thing to hit Palestine since sliced bread. They have fun themed train rides like the Polar Express around Christmas time, murder mystery train rides, etc. It is a ton of fun for the little ones and adults alike.
Did somebody threaten to vandalize the engines featured in this video or something? I'm seeing a whole lot of rage but no source. What happened down here?
It's a switcher so you're not going to get much continuous tractive effort out of it... it's geared for starting force not continuous so it only makes 36,000 lbs continuous. Do you know how much HP that 4-6-0 makes?
I didn't see the reach rod move, or the VG put into Back Gear? They are trying to back that 2-10-4 up, whilst the 2-10-4 is in Mid-Gear? It is always sooooooooooo much easier to move a dead (not in steam) steam lokie with the VG set for the 'correct' direction intended to move it, and the cylinder cocks open on the dead one. Don't they know that?
There were two controls on a steam engine. The throttle itself, adjusting steam pressure, and the valve cutoff. Changing the cutoff point of the engine allowed the engineer to exchange torque for steam economy, as the steam engine running with no cutoff has a constant torque at any RPM determined by its pressure. For situations like this you actually want to regulate the engine backwards- altering speed using cutoff and power using throttle, normally this is opposite.
My points of references are that with more speed the more HP they make(since the Berkshire), and after looking through some info on steamers it looks like for a road steam engine around 40-60 mph is there high HP level. I may be wrong with that. This was a branch of the discussion that originated from you saying you can't compare there HP.
English locomotives have vacuum brakes. American Locomotives use Air Brakes. The brakes were off the whole time. That section of track has a slight grade on it which is why the conductor had to remove a chain that was draped across the track and around the center drive wheel to keep it from rolling forward. Pushing back to the shop is up hill.
Maybe they forgot to release the parking brake on the 610? Just reach under the dash and pull that little handle that says "Parking Brake Release." Works every time for me in my Ford Excursion, which is a few pounds lighter than the 610:)
Attack & Release it's an object known as a derail. Derailers were used to derail a runaway train to keep the runaway from entering the mainline and from derailing trains on the mainline.
@Fireheart528 actually the iowa interstate tried that dont know if they still use em for freight but they do use them on excursions they use chinese qj's though
610 doesn't operate anymore. She last operated in 1982 and her boiler ticket ran out in 1991. (Being restored in 1976) So she needs an overhaul and maybe some repairs.
Well, at least she's not sitting in the back of some abandoned workshop, the Texas state railway seems like a pretty competent group. (Even if they were trying to move a Texas class with a ten wheeler.)
Hi there, I don't know what you guys are going on about the smaller loco moving the larger one. The only problem was traction, the bigger loco was no heavier than the trains it used to pull. Don't know if you are aware but back in the late 1920s the Great Western Railway back here in the UK sent 4-6-0 King George VI 6000 when new to the States for appraisal. The American engineers were amazed by how power was available from such a "small" loco. At the time KG VI was the most powerful engine in the UK , 40,000Ibs of tractive effort. So there you go size isn't everything.
You do know we've had 2-8-0's, 4-6-2's, with more power then that right? The UK's locomotives were built for speed and performance, while our locomotives (The States) were built for strength and performance, but at the same time we've also have had ones built for speed, strength, and performance.
So lets take a look at how impressive this is. 1. The obvious difference in weight class. 2. 201 is a 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler, a locomotive design that wasn't really designed for freight/heavy lifting kind of work. 3. 201 is also a high wheeler, meaning she has tall wheels intended for higher speed passenger service unlike a freight locomotive which has shorter wheels for more pulling power. Can't wait to go back and see these wonderful locomotives again.
A 79 ton 4 6 0 steamer plus its own tender of 25 tones,,,, moving a massive 224 ton 2 10 4,not counting another 100 tons tender weight,I am awed that the little engine could.Nice show and some excellent work by the engineer.
think about the beast 4014 pushing the 610 by himself + 4014 weighs 600 tons compared to 224
On a grade...in a curve...
Y'all give that mighty little 10 wheeler some credit she ain't big but she did it
little engines can do big things!
I became a Fireman then Engineer on the old Baldwin 4-8-4s for Santa Fe Railway in 1945, coal oil was the main oil we used, it was much easier to regulate the oil then was using an old banjo to shovel coal. I haven't seen a Cooke Steamer in a few years, and a great looking Lima. I miss the old steam locomotives :-)
How could anyone not like "The little train that could!"
Just visited the TSRR in July. The steam engine used was an Arizona Magma RR 2-8-0. I did not see these two locos. The steam engine pulled the Piney Woods Excursion leaving Palestine. An Alco pulled the Rusk excursion train. Great ride and a lot of fun, especially for the grandchildren. If you intend to take the excursion, pack a lunch or you can order box lunches when you make reservations because there's no place at either depot to eat. The layover is about an hour.
What a powerful old steamer. I still believe that the old steam trains are more reliable than today's trains.
I love the old time trains. Brings me back to Butch Cassidy days and makes me long for a simpler time in America. Interesting and lovely video. Thanks for sharing.
Considering she's only getting sand on four drivers and she's maybe half the size of 610 at best, I think 201 did an excellent job.
Indeed
Love those old steam engines. They were predominant when I was a small boy (I'm now 70), and we used to always go down to the tracks behind our house and watch them pass by since we knew their schedules...
It's difficult to see in the video as the camera placement was just below the plane of the rail; however, the sander was being used during the move. It might have been helpful to have been able to apply the sand to multiple drivers rather than just the middle driver.
I think nostalgia just happened because I laughed with a shaky almost teary voice.
Thank you.
Steam trains has such charisma.
That was cool! Glad to see steam still in use. Wish I lived closer but I still see a road trip to Texas.
Long live steam locos
Long live the iron horses.
Steam loco iron horses shall live on forever
Holy Rail-Slip, Batman.
Excellent illustration of the problems pushing a 200+-ton 2-10-4 Lima Super-Power and tender with a light ten-wheeler. The engineer on #201 must have really had to finesse the throttle with the shifter full aft.
Alot seems to have changed since I last visited the Texas State Railroad. I should probably visit it during my next spring break from school.
I can imagine the 201 complainimg about havong to do it and not the much stronger diesel train right by it when the 610 is in the shed.
Watching and listening to your film was like watching and listening to Pavarotti sing. Thank you for sharing
That was amazing. I just returned from a visit to the TSR however the Texan was not outside of the barn.
Nice video! 201 was down on her knees trying to move 610 XD... Took her a while, but God Damnit, SHE DID IT! :)
I give this engineer credit. He knew what he was doing.
I'm hearing the voice of Thomas the Tank Engine in my head. "Little engines can do big things"!
Beautiful facilities above flood plain (reason for grade), infrastructure is first class. Great RV campground. Restored Station is excellent. Tourist events are ongoing and well attended, even The Polar Express. Texas is a great train state. Enthusiasm is high to maintain the past. Rusk, at other end of this section, is also nice. Jay Gould's private rail car 'Atlanta', is now a restored museum piece in Jefferson Texas, an 1800's Steamboat Port. Southeast Texas, a great retreat into the past.
Love the forward roll at 3:50 and the slide jolt at 3:55. Heavy weight on the roll is a bit hard to stop.
I can imagine if the 201 were trying to push an Allegheny.
That'd be funny. This thing had a hell of a hard pushing this 2-10-4 and it was working hard. Wonder how heavy that 2-10-4 is?
The 2-10-4 is like 729,166 lbs with it's tender. The Allegheny, without it's tender, weighs 778,000 lbs
I thought that the Allegheny was much, much heavier.
Armagon Armagon IDK about much, much heavier, but it is heavier, with a full tender, the Alleghenies weigh almost 1.2 milllion pounds.
An Allegheny would be a stretch for the 300 let alone the 201 but he did an admirable job
I agree. We need to preserve these marvelous wonders...I love them...
Love me some Texas State Railroad! Hope to be there for the Christmas runs.
lima 2-10-4 #610 ..and an Alco MR 412 or RSX4 in the background....great just awsome
Road the railroad 1 week before this was taken, nice video.
My first time seeing the 201 and I'm in love!
Great to watch! Thanks for posting!
The high pitch whine you hear is actually the dynamo, a steam powered generator used to provide electricity for the locomotive's lights. As far as fuel goes, oil is a major part of our history. Southern Pacific and Santa Fe pioneered the use of oil in steam locomotives starting in the mid 1890's, and became the dominant fuel source in the southwestern United States until the end of the steam era in the 1950's. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents!
At 3:54 you can see #201 being literally pushed along with her wheels locked due to the size of #610
Why do people call trains a *"she?"*
And I thought I was the only one who noticed that
Brian Pacos can’t be good on the wheels
I believe that the diesel in the background is an Alco RSD-3. If I am not mistaken, it has A-1-A trucks on it. It was originally built for the US Military and the builder's plate probably has a different model number on it because the military has their own way of doing stuff like that. But it would be the equivalent of an RSD-3 that was sold to the common carriers..
nice video and great catch of the small steam engine trying to push the big steam into the building.
Good patientence and control by the engineer!,top video.
Do they plan on returning the 610 to steam ?
nice catch of the engineer fighting to keep the wheels from slipping!!
A most enjoyable piece of video. Thank you for sharing
Looked like David trying to move Goliath. Very interesting display of steam power.
Fantastic steam show. Thanks
Well done video!
Was any smoke exiting that chimney on the building?
What is done to prevent damage to the cold locomotive from moving? What lubricates the pistons against their cylinder walls? Could there not be much damage?
Thank you.
Excellent vid thanks Steve....
Engineer seemed to be doing an excellent job there !
Thanks for posting!!! Very cool!
This train is the best thing to hit Palestine since sliced bread. They have fun themed train rides like the Polar Express around Christmas time, murder mystery train rides, etc. It is a ton of fun for the little ones and adults alike.
Man I wish the 610 would run again. My grandpa has pictures of her on the Southern Railway in the 70's.
I don't know what it is about trains but young, old, and everything in between loves trains!
Way to go little engine! You did it! That's the power of a good ol' steam locomotive for you. :)
Is there a slight grade going into the shop? Very nice video.
Len
Pottstown,PA.
Um, it can wear out the tires faster. I think that is a major component. And what part is cast iron that is sliding on the steel?
You can almost hear the engineer muttering under his breath “Come on, Baby, dig!”
The little kids book come to life! Just about needed a 2-8-2 for that move.
Did somebody threaten to vandalize the engines featured in this video or something? I'm seeing a whole lot of rage but no source. What happened down here?
I wonder what the tracks and 201's wheels looked like after all that slipping. I'm surprised the tires didn't come off!
in all my years (3 years) of watching and following steam trains... i have never seen one slip this much before
And how do you want them to set the power reverse on a non operational display piece?
Has to have something moving those gears and pistons....
Wow! Looks like I need to plan a trip to Texas.
something tells me that the 610 ways a little more than the sunday train. what do you think.
It's a switcher so you're not going to get much continuous tractive effort out of it... it's geared for starting force not continuous so it only makes 36,000 lbs continuous. Do you know how much HP that 4-6-0 makes?
@ConrailJon theres a reason radios are used. Sometimes hand signals are not always understood, and most railroads these days dont use them.
why didjnt they use the diesel locomotive beside it
Cause they showed that a small 4-6-0 could move that monster of a engine
devin smih because steam locomotives are better than diesels
How many engines do they have operating?
What's going on with the 601? Beautiful engine
Thanks Perry. This video was shot with a Canon HV20 HD Digital Video Camera at 1080p. Processing was done with Adobe Premiere Pro. -Jason
Love it. The engineer really had to feather that throttle.
I didn't see the reach rod move, or the VG put into Back Gear?
They are trying to back that 2-10-4 up, whilst the 2-10-4 is in Mid-Gear?
It is always sooooooooooo much easier to move a dead (not in steam) steam lokie with the VG set for the 'correct' direction intended to move it, and the cylinder cocks open on the dead one.
Don't they know that?
why did 610 go out of service? i never could figure out why
There were two controls on a steam engine.
The throttle itself, adjusting steam pressure, and the valve cutoff.
Changing the cutoff point of the engine allowed the engineer to exchange torque for steam economy, as the steam engine running with no cutoff has a constant torque at any RPM determined by its pressure.
For situations like this you actually want to regulate the engine backwards- altering speed using cutoff and power using throttle, normally this is opposite.
My points of references are that with more speed the more HP they make(since the Berkshire), and after looking through some info on steamers it looks like for a road steam engine around 40-60 mph is there high HP level. I may be wrong with that.
This was a branch of the discussion that originated from you saying you can't compare there HP.
English locomotives have vacuum brakes. American Locomotives use Air Brakes. The brakes were off the whole time. That section of track has a slight grade on it which is why the conductor had to remove a chain that was draped across the track and around the center drive wheel to keep it from rolling forward. Pushing back to the shop is up hill.
It’s amazing seeing these locomotives having such a fast spin of a wheel
Well done video!
Why no steam-directing rods on #201?
Thank you.
Do you mean Valve gear if so No. 201 appears to have stephenson valve gear
Rather than walsherts valve gear
Maybe they forgot to release the parking brake on the 610? Just reach under the dash and pull that little handle that says "Parking Brake Release." Works every time for me in my Ford Excursion, which is a few pounds lighter than the 610:)
In HD this is so clear. What camera did you use to film this?
Is the steam coming from the train towards the ground (9:20) hot enough to injure you?
Great photo location right beside the action I didn't think the 201ceould be able to move the 610 but I'm wrong that engine is very strong
can you take pictures sitting inside the cab of the #610?
Hey, I got an idea, why can't use a diesel to it, that would be better, right.
Great video!
Will t&p 610 ever run again?
How does the scrap yard stay in business if you don't get that much work?
is the TSRR 4-6-0 #201 a consolidation?
Was there any sort of damage done to No. 201?
What does the "derail" sign mean...?
Attack & Release it's an object known as a derail. Derailers were used to derail a runaway train to keep the runaway from entering the mainline and from derailing trains on the mainline.
A 4-6-0??
Nice shot,and fantastic camera,what make and model?
@Fireheart528 actually the iowa interstate tried that dont know if they still use em for freight but they do use them on excursions they use chinese qj's though
Does 610 operate? Or is she being restored? She looks pretty complete in the video.
610 doesn't operate anymore. She last operated in 1982 and her boiler ticket ran out in 1991. (Being restored in 1976) So she needs an overhaul and maybe some repairs.
Well, at least she's not sitting in the back of some abandoned workshop, the Texas state railway seems like a pretty competent group. (Even if they were trying to move a Texas class with a ten wheeler.)
Like you said, at least 610 isn't sitting in an abandoned workshop, which is good. Because if she was, who knows what could happen.
You don't mess with Texas.... either the 2-10-4 Class Texas or the State! I'd love to see B&LE's 643 Texas class get restored and run!
I wonder what type of shape 610 is in?
How much does 201 weigh?
How come the Engineer didn't use the "sanders" ?
Hi there, I don't know what you guys are going on about the smaller loco moving the larger one. The only problem was traction, the bigger loco was no heavier than the trains it used to pull. Don't know if you are aware but back in the late 1920s the Great Western Railway back here in the UK sent 4-6-0 King George VI 6000 when new to the States for appraisal. The American engineers were amazed by how power was available from such a "small" loco. At the time KG VI was the most powerful engine in the UK , 40,000Ibs of tractive effort. So there you go size isn't everything.
40,000?! That's incredible!!
You do know we've had 2-8-0's, 4-6-2's, with more power then that right? The UK's locomotives were built for speed and performance, while our locomotives (The States) were built for strength and performance, but at the same time we've also have had ones built for speed, strength, and performance.
I'm assuming the joints had not been greased in years and so the friction was enormous.
Actually they take very good care of 610 and service it once a month from what I've heard.
Would you think the 301 would be able to move the 4014 comment on your thoughts
So lets take a look at how impressive this is.
1. The obvious difference in weight class.
2. 201 is a 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler, a locomotive design that wasn't really designed for freight/heavy lifting kind of work.
3. 201 is also a high wheeler, meaning she has tall wheels intended for higher speed passenger service unlike a freight locomotive which has shorter wheels for more pulling power.
Can't wait to go back and see these wonderful locomotives again.
MrMikado282 most 2-10-4 locomotives were commonly used on freight service
Why wasn't he using sand??
He was, lots. See description.
@CN413Fox I saw a very nice brass 610 in HO it was only like $2,000. I think it was at"Uncle Dave's Brass".
Doesn’t 610 permanently have its brakes on?
I like ships the most, but I've always had a soft spot for trains, especially these old steam powered ones.