It was later discovered that the baby had gone missing which is why there are no clips of Flo carrying the Baby as is tradition for chimps. Strange, perhaps not as Flint would have seen the Baby as a rival. A chimp baby cannot wander off, as unlike some other primates chimps cannot cling onto their mothers and need supporting. Looking at this clip it almost seems as if Flint knew before the others; supposition of course. However given his selfish streak, I'd not be suprised if Flint were responsible!
Flo was very old when the baby (Flame) was born and she became seriously ill within the first 6 month of Flames live. It was in that time, the baby (Flame) vanished. It is more than likely, that old and sick Flo had no recources for that baby.
Idk if you've watched the documentary on the Gombe chimp civil war but apparently Chimps tend to celebrate after killing a rival. So maybe thats why flint is a happy camper. :'(
All you guys that are saying that flint deserved to die proves really proves how bad some human beings are. Here we see flint regering Evreything hes dun and insted of helping him u throw it right back at his face
Was? Even now we're so similar it's kinda insane. Children throwing fits and needing to be dragged away, kids playing by running around objects, sucking their thumbs, wild stuff.
'Flo was 53 years old when she died and her last 5 years were hard due to Flint's beatings for holding back her milk supposedly from her ancient milk sacs which had actually dried up!
I know this documentary is oooold but still sad to this day to think about . Poor flint 💔 cant believe an 8 year old chimp can die of grief 💔 i know he was a spoily brat but he was still so young 💔
As smart as chimps are, I figure Fifi got back at him a couple times when mom wasn't looking. Also, when Flint was wanting to nurse, did it look like he was trying to rip Flame from her arms.
Flint killed that baby because he was jealous... He was extremely unlikable I mean still trying to nurse at 5 years old and he was just a complete Brad beating on his mother biting her after all she did for him I guess it served him right that he died of grief when she died because he had no survival skills and couldn't live without doing everything for him. I mean he was 6 years old when she died that's the time when chimps are supposed to be going out on their own away from the constant care of their mother.
I watched Jane Goidall's version of this the reason the baby died was Clint was taking all the milk and the baby starved out. I have seen some Humans do almost the samething in another way.
I need to see the Jane Goodall version! It sounds much more informed. This one is interesting but I feel like they put more priority on assuming what the chimps are thinking and feeling, in order to tell a compelling story, rather than present objective reality.
All the people who are saying Flint killed Flame, we don't know that. Flo actually became very ill and that's when Flame disappeared. In the wild %20 of baby chimpanzees don't survive the first year. When my younger brother was born I begged my Mom to take him back to the hospital. She still teases me about it. Being jealous of the new baby is not unheard of.
Floes baby probably died of starvation due to flint still suckling depriving the infant of enough sustenance, Floe yet again failed to discipline and gave in to Flints demands
a story of a mom who gave birth to a child with mental illness that made her last years very hard,..and sadly killed him too once his mom the only reason he had to live was dead....
3:56 you can def tell flint was happy, because he had either killed or the baby passed. The baby did not die either flint did it or the baby got really sick
Flow.was old..she didn't have milk, most likely the baby starved to death...flint was a spoiled brat but he practically committed animal suicide over his mother's death
I wonder if Flint really died of grief. He was grieving alright but to die of grief is another matter. After all Flint is an animal and after a few days when he is hungry, animal instinct kicks in for sure. Maybe they just wanted to humanise our closest cousin so had to dramatize it a bit.
Flint died from hunger! After his mother died he didnt know how provide himself,because Flow cared about that when lived and he was to lazy and spoiled to learn.
@@arthurkonarski8501 The only thing that makes me think that Flint died from grief is the fact that he did not follow his sister and brothers when they left. I would assume that he would have followed them in order to survive but perhaps he was grieving. I do not know though, but your observation is really good! Flint was probably so spoiled that he did not know how to fend for himself. Regardless, I feel so bad for Flo and Flint!
@@arthurkonarski8501 No, he didn't die of hunger because Jane Goodall was feeding these chimps. That's why you see them mostly just sitting around doing nothing and some of them are rather fat. Chimps that aren't being fed like that spend more than 60% of their awake time searching for food. In fact there's no proof he even died at all. Jane Goodall likes to anthropomorphize as much human emotion as possible onto chimpanzees because it's what helps bring in donations. That's how she became a multi-millionaire buying a brand new Tesla every year & owning multiple vacation homes all around the world.
If he was in a depressive state he may very well have reduced or stopped eating or drinking. The stress from severe grief is enough to cause heart failure regardless.
Fifi should have kicked Flint's spoiled ass when Flint was beating on Flo when she was holding Flame, the baby. Flint was no longer the youngest and Flo would have appreciated somebody stopping him from beating her. The little bastard was getting sexually aroused while striking her, as indicated by his pose 1:03 immediately after striking his mom a number of times earlier!
I don't think we're in a position to say what animals in nature should and should not do. Chimps never go through menopause because they evolved that way. If old Flo was too tired to discipline her son, she was too old. Events played out in a cause and effect way. I hated the little bastard but he was the product of a non-disciplining mother, and we've all see how those kids turn from little monsters to teenage thugs to criminals. The only way the humans should have interfered was to keep their polio from spreading to the animals. The source was a local town where, Goodall says, the doctor saw polio in humans but refused to vaccinate or report it which would have been easy, this was in a British protectorate thus their job to protect. Probably racism kept the dr from vaccinating. It clearly made Goodall furious and the people at the camp did the nearly impossible task of vaccinating the chimps they were studying, hard because it was a live vaccine and had to be given in 3 doses a week apart. A nightmare. I do not understand why they did not give anti parasitical meds when the troop came down with mites which weakened everyone and killed some.... But these women at that tine could not resist interfering (Goodall and Fossey and Gildekas), and there are those who would say today that a bright line should have been drawn and no chimp ever allowed that first banana. But once HUMANS began screwing up their lives, I believe it was humans who were and are obliged to try and make it up to them by interfering in order to save lives & species. They did offer Flint food but he wouldn't take it..
Perhaps you should have kept your statement to one sentence as it made the most sense. As a layman you might check out Safari Diaries. There is one in particular in which a Leopard catches then kills a baby baboon. Now with this responsibility that we Humans have; as you put it. Do we shoot the Leopard to save the baby or continue to let the baby die. Even Jane herself has stated it is a huge decision on whether or not to interfere with non-human primates in the wild! Yet she has devoted her life to saving them. There's also Jokro, the death of an infant. We get to sit back and watch as a poor baby Chimp dies from what started out as a cold. The Primatologists just video and document the death. I myself found it almost perverse that nothing was done. Of course in his case the Alpha would not have allowed anyone near Jokro. So again, with our human responsibility do we dart all the adults to save him? The case with Flint was quite different, and perhaps I allowed my emotions to run too high in which case I apologize if this offended you. Just remember when dealing with wild animals in their own environment, it still presents it's own ethical issues. Unfortunately the general rule is one of non-interference.
I agree. I believe flo would have appreciated the help and it would have been really nice to see.. I'll bet little Flint rehab felt better afterwards because he would have had some kind of boundaries for himself
It's likely Flint was discovered by rival chimps and was killed and then cannibalized, or was killed by a leopard. Highly doubt he sat in the same spot for weeks, then died. Flos corpse if left to rot, would've brought on other predators, which in turn discovers our little friend Flint.
Flint was extremely unlikable, I guess it was meant to be that he died of grief after his mother died because he couldn't function and live on his own without her and he was 6 years old.
anyone know the part/timestamp or timestamp in the original in which a mother chimp whose name i forget has a baby die and she carries it on her back until she dies?
Fifi has an infant that dies some time back. However, the image of chimp mothers carrying there dead with them, usually about three days has been documented several times before.♡
Not until she dies, she will finally lay it down, she lived 3 years longer, was probably change of life baby. She was an animal, she came in heat, had a baby, she couldn't teach, and train Flint properly. Let alone a baby. The baby disappeared, Flint was by his mom all the time, that is why he was the first to know what happened. If he, a male, even from another tribe, group, there would of been, screaming and screeching from who every took it. It could of been a wild cat, ran with it. When she was having alone time. A human also may have stolen it. Who knows.
They weren't filming the chimps 24/7. In her book Goodall says Flo got sick during her time with the infant, an unusually cold and rainy period. The infant could very well have died of whatever Flo contracted, or from any number of other causes; chimp babies die of natural causes all the time.
I thought that too but, I saw a comment that said the baby went missing not to long after his birth. I think flint took the baby in the night and killed it.
Doubt it. While infanticide does happen among chimps, it's almost always instigated by the dominant male and they make a big feast out of it. They don't carry the infant off somewhere to do it in secrecy. Wild infant chimps dying is extremely common and it happens through a variety of different reasons. Usually disease. Just like how with humans pre-20th century it was extremely common for children to die of disease before age 2.
You can speculate all you want but in the book the author says the weather turned bad one night and the mom was suffering from a cold of sorts and when the weather cleared the baby was gone, possibly dying from the sickness mom had, and the cold temperatures didn't help, then the mama's heart gave out and flint grieved so much he died from a broken heart.
@@critterfreek83, she was like a worn-out custodial grandmother. There's a reason we can't have children after age 50 or so. Don't chimps go through menopause?
Nobody really knows. In one of Jane Goodall's books, she wrote about how there was a cold, rainy spell around this time, and Flo fell sick for a time with a cold of some sort. When Flo was next found, Flame (the baby) was gone. I'm guessing Flame died from the same disease Flo contracted.
does any one know did flint kill that baby when going for his mother and punching at her when she had that new born whith her? is that why he was so happy after the baby died? little brat isnt the word, chimp or not.
no, they don't know for sure. But it was not suggested that Flint killed her in this fashion anyway. it is suggested that the baby just "vanished", in other words when flows b ack was turned, Flint got rid of her... That is what is suggested
The comments here are utterly insane. These are *animals*. They cannot be evil and our moral systems cannot be applied to them. I suppose these commenters also think their dogs pee on the rug just to piss them off. Ridiculous.
@FR it would help a lot if you spoke English properly. From what I gather, you said a whole lot of nothing. It still does not mean that chimps or any other animal have “morals”. Therefore, do not know the difference between being good and evil. These are WILD animals that hunt and kill anything they deem as prey.
Grief, yeah for himself 'Flint'! The only thing he grieved over was not being first to get attention. His Sister would be right in thinking he was happy the baby was dead. As for dying of a broken heart: he died because he couldn't be arsed to get out of his nest and feed himself. I won't apologize for my comment as all that smacking and kicking of his Mother probably contributed to the death of the baby.
The baby probably succumbed to injuries (arm blow, hurled rock, etc.) from Flint's envy fuelled assaults upon his mother. Flo had one arm to protect herself while cradling the infant with the other. Stealing/kidnapping the baby from the arms of a nursing mother would be unlikely, given that it was only weeks old. Babies are not even allowed to leave mother's embrace to take their first steps until eight months. Gaps in the story/camerawork could account for this scenario.
Wow I'm a str8 GOON IN THE STREETS OF BALTIMORE AND EVEN I DONT JUDGE A WILD ANIMAL CUZ HIS MOM SPOILED HIS ASS. SOME OF YOU NEED TO REALLY KEEP IN MIND JUST CUZ THERE 98 PERCENT LIKE US DONT MEAN THEY ARE US. FLINT A G
I mean he could have died in some bratty way like getting pissed over less attention then trying to fight one of the males, even though he lived mostly bad, he changed in the end
No such thing a dying from grief, this shit makes me fucking angry rather than tell how he really died, you don't by being sad, stop trying so hard to humanize them, there not humans & never will be something killed him a snake bite who knows.
+Mat T yes, when you put it that way then, he did die of grief, absolutely. He went against his own natural instinct to survive, by NOT feeding himself when he he must have been absolutely starving, painfully hungry! he could have lifted a hand and his head, grabbed some leaves and chewed but he could not! he died because he stopped eating and drinking. he couldn't move because his mother was dead. yes, he died of grief.
They absolutely can and do die of grief. This is the exact reason why mountain gorillas cannot be held in captivity. They literally end up just dying from grief. Do some research before commenting on things. Don’t be a brat like Flint lol.
@@lennarthagen3638 he didn't kill the baby. Infanticide in chimps is only practiced by dominant adult males and not in secret. Besides that, animals cannot be "evil".
@@lennarthagen3638 He didn't kill the baby. If you read the ladies book about this she said it was a cold rainy night when the mama fell sick, when the weather cleared the baby was gone, probably dying from whatever mama caught. Then the mama's heart gave out and poor flint found her lifeless body and grieved himself to death.
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I wish I could kick flint like a foot ball!!!!
People, are you aware this was filmed in 1964? That's 50yrs ago.
Oh shit, call the cops.
Was filmed for 20 years
So?? Truth and human / chimp behavior never changes.
@@EXPOSEDBYGABRIELPEREZ - It was released some more than 20 yrs after it was first filmed.
1977
It was later discovered that the baby had gone missing which is why there are no clips of Flo carrying the Baby as is tradition for chimps. Strange, perhaps not as Flint would have seen the Baby as a rival. A chimp baby cannot wander off, as unlike some other primates chimps cannot cling onto their mothers and need supporting. Looking at this clip it almost seems as if Flint knew before the others; supposition of course. However given his selfish streak, I'd not be suprised if Flint were responsible!
I agree.. I would not be surprised if Flint was responsible for the death of the baby..
Sad..
Flo was very old when the baby (Flame) was born and she became seriously ill within the first 6 month of Flames live. It was in that time, the baby (Flame) vanished. It is more than likely, that old and sick Flo had no recources for that baby.
@@c.h.9223 Stop this, Flint killed that infant
Flint’s a f’n psychopath
Idk if you've watched the documentary on the Gombe chimp civil war but apparently Chimps tend to celebrate after killing a rival. So maybe thats why flint is a happy camper. :'(
I felt terrible for Flo after Flame (her baby) died, you can see the sadness in her eyes.
The baby prob died because flo didn't produce enough milk and maybe flint killed the baby idk
@@miyamcallister that was my thought 👀 probs a combination of both
Flint killed that baby.
@@reneesantiago6496 She actually fell very ill and that's when Flame disappeared.
She might just have been too old and sick for a newborn.
Making all that milk is a hard job, even for a young body.
This one got me, my eyes filled without control…
Me too
Love his mama so much
All you guys that are saying that flint deserved to die proves really proves how bad some human beings are. Here we see flint regering Evreything hes dun and insted of helping him u throw it right back at his face
joywith Joyce Do you think butchering the English spelling like this is funny?? I have to disappoint you: It is not, just annoying...
Only thing I regret was the other chimps not tearing him apart
@@robertenzo5397 you're insane. These are animals we're talking about.
@@sjsisjsjks And?
That shows you how spoiled flint was. I have never ever seen another chimp so spoiled as much as flint
Great story
I know people a lot like Flint.
I know right
rip FLOW! 53 yrs!
You can't help but to feel bad for flint
I dont feel bad at all for that spoiled little shit
I wanted to slap him
It's hard but that's life for a wild chimp and many wild animals I don't like it but it's survival of the strongest
amazing..
flo was just to old to be giving birth close to 50...maybe the baby died ....maybe flint did it in
Mother’s love is hope
Flo made me so mad letting that little bastard control and disrespect her like that
That little bastard killed itself when his mother died....he was a spoiled brat but no denying he loved his mother to die next to her
@@zoluhwa3508 couldn't have said it better but he was still an asshole
😱 Poor flint was just beginning. 😢
Flint Couldn't Handle The Fact That He Was No Longer The Baby Of The Family!🐵🌴🌿🇹🇿
I’d imagine our ancient species was very similar.
Was? Even now we're so similar it's kinda insane. Children throwing fits and needing to be dragged away, kids playing by running around objects, sucking their thumbs, wild stuff.
'Flo was 53 years old when she died and her last 5 years were hard due to Flint's beatings for holding back her milk supposedly from her ancient milk sacs which had actually dried up!
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I know this documentary is oooold but still sad to this day to think about . Poor flint 💔 cant believe an 8 year old chimp can die of grief 💔 i know he was a spoily brat but he was still so young 💔
As smart as chimps are, I figure Fifi got back at him a couple times when mom wasn't looking.
Also, when Flint was wanting to nurse, did it look like he was trying to rip Flame from her arms.
It did
Flint killed that baby because he was jealous... He was extremely unlikable I mean still trying to nurse at 5 years old and he was just a complete Brad beating on his mother biting her after all she did for him I guess it served him right that he died of grief when she died because he had no survival skills and couldn't live without doing everything for him. I mean he was 6 years old when she died that's the time when chimps are supposed to be going out on their own away from the constant care of their mother.
I watched Jane Goidall's version of this the reason the baby died was Clint was taking all the milk and the baby starved out. I have seen some Humans do almost the samething in another way.
I need to see the Jane Goodall version! It sounds much more informed. This one is interesting but I feel like they put more priority on assuming what the chimps are thinking and feeling, in order to tell a compelling story, rather than present objective reality.
lol..everything you saw here was reality....@@360Fov
Can't be a baby your whole life.
She should of weened him just like Fifi and the others
Flo loves flame. You can tell
All the people who are saying Flint killed Flame, we don't know that. Flo actually became very ill and that's when Flame disappeared. In the wild %20 of baby chimpanzees don't survive the first year.
When my younger brother was born I begged my Mom to take him back to the hospital. She still teases me about it. Being jealous of the new baby is not unheard of.
Floes baby probably died of starvation due to flint still suckling depriving the infant of enough sustenance, Floe yet again failed to discipline and gave in to Flints demands
a story of a mom who gave birth to a child with mental illness that made her last years very hard,..and sadly killed him too once his mom the only reason he had to live was dead....
Legit felt like his eyes was cold and lifeless
She took all that she could take.
3:56 you can def tell flint was happy, because he had either killed or the baby passed. The baby did not die either flint did it or the baby got really sick
You don't know what you are talking about.
Flow.was old..she didn't have milk, most likely the baby starved to death...flint was a spoiled brat but he practically committed animal suicide over his mother's death
That little bastard Flint probably killed the baby.
It's 8hundred thousand thirty seven I just clicked subscribe. Your welcome.
Is this it?
I wonder if Flint really died of grief. He was grieving
alright but to die of grief is another matter. After all Flint is an animal and
after a few days when he is hungry, animal instinct kicks in for sure.
Maybe they just wanted to humanise our closest cousin so
had to dramatize it a bit.
Flint died from hunger! After his mother died he didnt know how provide himself,because Flow cared about that when lived and he was to lazy and spoiled to learn.
@@arthurkonarski8501 The only thing that makes me think that Flint died from grief is the fact that he did not follow his sister and brothers when they left. I would assume that he would have followed them in order to survive but perhaps he was grieving. I do not know though, but your observation is really good! Flint was probably so spoiled that he did not know how to fend for himself. Regardless, I feel so bad for Flo and Flint!
@@arthurkonarski8501 No, he didn't die of hunger because Jane Goodall was feeding these chimps. That's why you see them mostly just sitting around doing nothing and some of them are rather fat. Chimps that aren't being fed like that spend more than 60% of their awake time searching for food.
In fact there's no proof he even died at all. Jane Goodall likes to anthropomorphize as much human emotion as possible onto chimpanzees because it's what helps bring in donations. That's how she became a multi-millionaire buying a brand new Tesla every year & owning multiple vacation homes all around the world.
If he was in a depressive state he may very well have reduced or stopped eating or drinking. The stress from severe grief is enough to cause heart failure regardless.
It looks like Flint never learned to fend for himself like a mature chimp. He probably just couldn't cope.
Fifi should have kicked Flint's spoiled ass when Flint was beating on Flo when she was holding Flame, the baby. Flint was no longer the youngest and Flo would have appreciated somebody stopping him from beating her. The little bastard was getting sexually aroused while striking her, as indicated by his pose 1:03 immediately after striking his mom a number of times earlier!
I noticed the little shit get aroused when beating his mother. There are names for people like that in the DSM Criterion in Psychology.
I don't think we're in a position to say what animals in nature should and should not do. Chimps never go through menopause because they evolved that way. If old Flo was too tired to discipline her son, she was too old. Events played out in a cause and effect way. I hated the little bastard but he was the product of a non-disciplining mother, and we've all see how those kids turn from little monsters to teenage thugs to criminals. The only way the humans should have interfered was to keep their polio from spreading to the animals. The source was a local town where, Goodall says, the doctor saw polio in humans but refused to vaccinate or report it which would have been easy, this was in a British protectorate thus their job to protect. Probably racism kept the dr from vaccinating. It clearly made Goodall furious and the people at the camp did the nearly impossible task of vaccinating the chimps they were studying, hard because it was a live vaccine and had to be given in 3 doses a week apart. A nightmare. I do not understand why they did not give anti parasitical meds when the troop came down with mites which weakened everyone and killed some.... But these women at that tine could not resist interfering (Goodall and Fossey and Gildekas), and there are those who would say today that a bright line should have been drawn and no chimp ever allowed that first banana. But once HUMANS began screwing up their lives, I believe it was humans who were and are obliged to try and make it up to them by interfering in order to save lives & species. They did offer Flint food but he wouldn't take it..
Perhaps you should have kept your statement to one sentence as it made the most sense. As a layman you might check out Safari Diaries. There is one in particular in which a Leopard catches then kills a baby baboon. Now with this responsibility that we Humans have; as you put it. Do we shoot the Leopard to save the baby or continue to let the baby die. Even Jane herself has stated it is a huge decision on whether or not to interfere with non-human primates in the wild! Yet she has devoted her life to saving them. There's also Jokro, the death of an infant. We get to sit back and watch as a poor baby Chimp dies from what started out as a cold. The Primatologists just video and document the death. I myself found it almost perverse that nothing was done. Of course in his case the Alpha would not have allowed anyone near Jokro. So again, with our human responsibility do we dart all the adults to save him?
The case with Flint was quite different, and perhaps I allowed my emotions to run too high in which case I apologize if this offended you. Just remember when dealing with wild animals in their own environment, it still presents it's own ethical issues. Unfortunately the general rule is one of non-interference.
I agree. I believe flo would have appreciated the help and it would have been really nice to see.. I'll bet little Flint rehab felt better afterwards because he would have had some kind of boundaries for himself
It's likely Flint was discovered by rival chimps and was killed and then cannibalized, or was killed by a leopard. Highly doubt he sat in the same spot for weeks, then died. Flos corpse if left to rot, would've brought on other predators, which in turn discovers our little friend Flint.
Flint was extremely unlikable, I guess it was meant to be that he died of grief after his mother died because he couldn't function and live on his own without her and he was 6 years old.
Well can't say Flint didn't have that coming.
anyone know the part/timestamp or timestamp in the original in which a mother chimp whose name i forget has a baby die and she carries it on her back until she dies?
Fifi has an infant that dies some time back. However, the image of chimp mothers carrying there dead with them, usually about three days has been documented several times before.♡
The mother chimp was olly longface and her infant died. Its in the beginning of chimps of gombe part 6
@Last of the Albino Mexheecans thank you very much for the timestamp. its been many years but i appreciate you for this.
Not until she dies, she will finally lay it down, she lived 3 years longer, was probably change of life baby. She was an animal, she came in heat, had a baby, she couldn't teach, and train Flint properly. Let alone a baby. The baby disappeared, Flint was by his mom all the time, that is why he was the first to know what happened. If he, a male, even from another tribe, group, there would of been, screaming and screeching from who every took it. It could of been a wild cat, ran with it. When she was having alone time. A human also may have stolen it. Who knows.
Poor Fifi The Meat In The Sandwich Between Flo And Flint!🐵🍖🌴🌿🇹🇿
53?! Goddamn.
I don’t believe Flint died of grief. Most likely he died from an illness. He looks like he was very sick. That’s my two cents.
He would of had to not eat or drink for a long time to die . Strange. Wonder why the video men never seen what happened to the baby.
They weren't filming the chimps 24/7. In her book Goodall says Flo got sick during her time with the infant, an unusually cold and rainy period. The infant could very well have died of whatever Flo contracted, or from any number of other causes; chimp babies die of natural causes all the time.
Where’s the video of the weeks when flame was alive? How could they skip over that the way they did ?
I thought that too but, I saw a comment that said the baby went missing not to long after his birth. I think flint took the baby in the night and killed it.
@@KiDDSOMfRADD10 I was thinking the same thing or while flo was sleeping he took the baby
My speculation is that he pushed that baby or caused that baby to fall out of tree.
Emma Dee it was later founded that flint had stolen the baby from the mother and killed it.
@@robpeters5204 You're full of shit.
Doubt it. While infanticide does happen among chimps, it's almost always instigated by the dominant male and they make a big feast out of it. They don't carry the infant off somewhere to do it in secrecy. Wild infant chimps dying is extremely common and it happens through a variety of different reasons. Usually disease. Just like how with humans pre-20th century it was extremely common for children to die of disease before age 2.
You can speculate all you want but in the book the author says the weather turned bad one night and the mom was suffering from a cold of sorts and when the weather cleared the baby was gone, possibly dying from the sickness mom had, and the cold temperatures didn't help, then the mama's heart gave out and flint grieved so much he died from a broken heart.
Flint was literally dancing on that baby’s grave 🤦🏾♂️
I bet Flint killed the baby.
chimps have funerals of there own.
Flo was the making of her own doing
no she wasnt.
She was basically a senior citizen in chimpanzee terms. She simply did not have the energy any longer to teach Flint a lesson.
@@critterfreek83, she was like a worn-out custodial grandmother. There's a reason we can't have children after age 50 or so. Don't chimps go through menopause?
Is this real? I mean, really...he DIED OF GRIEF??
Ohhh come on y'all need stop ending shit like this. Anyone else know what happened with this family of chimps???
why did the infant die?
Nobody really knows. In one of Jane Goodall's books, she wrote about how there was a cold, rainy spell around this time, and Flo fell sick for a time with a cold of some sort. When Flo was next found, Flame (the baby) was gone. I'm guessing Flame died from the same disease Flo contracted.
critterfreek82 it was later found that flint carried the baby off and killed it.
@@robpeters5204 Where is that mentioned and published. As far as I know (from the books) nobody had seen anything.
@@robpeters5204 No it wasn't you liar.
She had milk
does any one know did flint kill that baby when going for his mother and punching at her when she had that new born whith her? is that why he was so happy after the baby died? little brat isnt the word, chimp or not.
They don't say. We have to "read more about it".
no, they don't know for sure. But it was not suggested that Flint killed her in this fashion anyway. it is suggested that the baby just "vanished", in other words when flows b ack was turned, Flint got rid of her... That is what is suggested
@@maureenbensonbanks7061 this is never suggested by any legitimate source. Infanticide is practiced only by dominant adult males and not in secret.
The comments here are utterly insane. These are *animals*. They cannot be evil and our moral systems cannot be applied to them. I suppose these commenters also think their dogs pee on the rug just to piss them off. Ridiculous.
@FR it would help a lot if you spoke English properly. From what I gather, you said a whole lot of nothing. It still does not mean that chimps or any other animal have “morals”. Therefore, do not know the difference between being good and evil. These are WILD animals that hunt and kill anything they deem as prey.
The only thing evil is man's ego.
Grief, yeah for himself 'Flint'! The only thing he grieved over was not being first to get attention. His Sister would be right in thinking he was happy the baby was dead. As for dying of a broken heart: he died because he couldn't be arsed to get out of his nest and feed himself. I won't apologize for my comment as all that smacking and kicking of his Mother probably contributed to the death of the baby.
This is an insane comment. These are animals, not people. The same degrees of perception do not exist and there is no moral system.
Flint passed its called attachment trauma....Flint is extremely stupid right scary Flint
The baby probably succumbed to injuries (arm blow, hurled rock, etc.) from Flint's envy fuelled assaults upon his mother. Flo had one arm to protect herself while cradling the infant with the other. Stealing/kidnapping the baby from the arms of a nursing mother would be unlikely, given that it was only weeks old. Babies are not even allowed to leave mother's embrace to take their first steps until eight months. Gaps in the story/camerawork could account for this scenario.
Sorry but baby chimps are often kidnapped by high ranking males...and in some cases the baby is eaten by several members
HAAAA flint died of grief. Good he was a spoiled brat anyway im glad hope it was terrible.
Flint need to go on dr Fill out of control chimpanzees need's discipline
Wow I'm a str8 GOON IN THE STREETS OF BALTIMORE AND EVEN I DONT JUDGE A WILD ANIMAL CUZ HIS MOM SPOILED HIS ASS. SOME OF YOU NEED TO REALLY KEEP IN MIND JUST CUZ THERE 98 PERCENT LIKE US DONT MEAN THEY ARE US. FLINT A G
Wow so much hate for flint
I mean he could have died in some bratty way like getting pissed over less attention then trying to fight one of the males, even though he lived mostly bad, he changed in the end
The reason I was invested in him was that I was hoping he could change for the better
The Kleptoasty i know......
No such thing a dying from grief, this shit makes me fucking angry rather than tell how he really died, you don't by being sad, stop trying so hard to humanize them, there not humans & never will be something killed him a snake bite who knows.
+Mat T
yes, when you put it that way then, he did die of grief, absolutely.
He went against his own natural instinct to survive, by NOT feeding himself when he he must have been absolutely starving, painfully hungry! he could have lifted a hand and his head, grabbed some leaves and chewed but he could not!
he died because he stopped eating and drinking.
he couldn't move because his mother was dead.
yes, he died of grief.
They absolutely can and do die of grief. This is the exact reason why mountain gorillas cannot be held in captivity. They literally end up just dying from grief. Do some research before commenting on things. Don’t be a brat like Flint lol.
Here is a clip that proves Flynt killed the infant.
Where? Do you have it? I'd like to see if u do.
Thanks
@@ryanbeni8156 there is none.
Gross
Flint was evil
Killing a baby like that
@@lennarthagen3638 he didn't kill the baby. Infanticide in chimps is only practiced by dominant adult males and not in secret. Besides that, animals cannot be "evil".
@@lennarthagen3638 He didn't kill the baby. If you read the ladies book about this she said it was a cold rainy night when the mama fell sick, when the weather cleared the baby was gone, probably dying from whatever mama caught. Then the mama's heart gave out and poor flint found her lifeless body and grieved himself to death.
@@timmycook6708Sibling rivalry. Flint didnt get milk thats Why he died. Flo died of old age, she did not catch anything. Nature is no Disney movie.
@@lennarthagen3638, Flo (age 53) wasn't still producing milk for Flint (age 8) when she died.
Old boy flint looking a Lil suspect