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Maybe i lost the part where you are choosing the connection between the habs, or how you are choosing. And a e.g. complete Deimos based ship vs Nova etc. How convincing, manageable are those manufacturers on their own. Imho when you build a ship, you have a theme in your head. And how good can you build themewise. For me the Outside of Hopetech looks like a Nasa Style, Deimos more of a fighter style... hope i could explain what i mean
@@snooze1987 It stems from the 1st video in this series where I talk about how many of us have been deleting interior decorations without even knowing it and showed a real world example of that: ruclips.net/video/rfEIuDoK3o8/видео.htmlsi=UJVqyntfC4PAsPOM
I'd suggest a cockpits/bridges video, there are some real unique designs. And also some not so great ones. But unfortunately more work to test because you'd have to go back to the ship builder each time. The info from you would be valuable, thanks for your work!
Hey mate, been really appreciating the walk-throughs of these interiors. Such a pity there's not preview/interior editing available in the base game, so your efforts go a long way. Thank you! One small suggestion I'd give is to keep your HUD on. When you're inside your ship the compass seems to change to be relative to the orientation of the ship so the nose/tail (bow/stern?) is north/south. This was super helpful planning my interiors with the armories from one of your previous vids. Keep it up bro!
I'll say the same thing about HABs that I said about planets in SWTOR: The fact that you do the exact same thing in/on every single one (quests for SWTOR, and in Starfield there is no functional purpose or difference for your character in these HABs, its mostly cosmetic or for companion use/purposes in Starfield), the only thing that changes is aesthetics, its amazing that the developers can make us have such different reactions to all of them, and the fact some people prefer one over others and another person feels the exact opposite, super impressive.
Oh it's certainly meant as "cosmetic" over having game functionality. Hell, you could create an entire game mechanic with JUST the Ship Habs by requiring certain Habs for certain random encounters to spawn. Like, if you don't have an Infirmary, random encounters where you rescue an injured NPC.
I frequently disagree with your opinions regarding which modules look better, but I love how you highlight all of them so everyone can make a smart decision when designing your ship. Thanks and keep making these videos!
No worries, we all have different tastes. This series is to show people what these interiors look like with the least intrusion so that you the player can make an informed decision.
@@delindsayYep, and you do a great job at it! I even got inspired to make 3 ships that have every 2x1, 2x2, 2x3, 3x2, and 3x3. (No mods, or I would have done it in one ship) With two of all HABs so that I can view everything without doors. (Ex. the 2x1s have one with a door at the fore and one with a door at aft. Also no latter's in any of the HABs visually blocking the way) However, I barely ever go view those ships and still just watch your videos! 😂
I was a surface sailor in the USN with time on an older DDG & FF as well as newer DD, DDG, & CG. The Hope Tech looked the most like the CICs of the newer ship with one major exception. In port CIC was lit with regular lights, but once underway it was blue lights only to help with seeing the console screens. It would be cool if once the ships were in space that the light would shift modes.
I wonder if you could use the new StarUI HUD mod to only show the compass (and adjust its size/position). Might be worth looking into for these kinds of vids.
The NAV consoles are made to be in the middle of a room and accessed from all sides. It's just a reused asset. All of them have screens that face the side you are on.
Thanks again for the comparison, I think I’ll try to squeeze a Deimos 2x2 behind my big old bridge for the roleplay effect. I finally started building a big ship and fighting against ladder placement is a nightmare lol
A Battle Station directly behind the Cockpit works well in my opinion. There are (some) tricks to get Ladders where you would prefer but it's not always a 100% success. I'll be making a video after the Hab comps to showcase what I've learned and how I think about Ship design for that very problem.
Vibes-wise, the HopeTech is definitely the coolest but the nav console you pointed out is one of those things I can’t unsee, so I’ll have to go with Deimos
Loving the vids. I really like some of the 2x2 habs, but I'm really surprised there aren't any 2-wide cockpits. Makes it more difficult to use these on a smaller ship and keep the cockpit centered.
According to the parts list, Taiyō Astroneering has 5 different versions of the Battle Station 2x2 Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Bottom A Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Bottom B Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Mid(the one you showed) Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Top A Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Top B
For Taiyo, the purpose of B versions is to provide ports on the sides, whereas the A doesnt have these ports which helps for a cleaner looking exterior.
The Nova Galactic one is the best in my opinion and the one I use on my ship. I like nova habs the most as I feel they are the largest and the most unique compared to the rest. My only complaint about the Nova one is how busy/crowded it is
So, it seems like Stroud is just bright Deimos and Taiyo is just bright hopetech? There's really 3 layouts, not just to these rooms but most habs? Deimos, HopeTech, Nova, and then 2 bright versions of the first two?
@@ObsceneSuperMatt Deimos tends to be the bright one, but, yeah. As far as habs go, S-E and Deimos are paired and then Hopetech and Taiyo are paired. That leaves Nova Galactic to show off the NASA inspired designs. Some bits are from actual concepts NASA has worked up as possibilities.
Stand alone thought that's been bugging me for days: Can anyone tell me why certain structural pieces *_double or more in mass_* when you flip them upside down? The Nova Cowling 2L when on top has 3 variants - fore, middle and aft - with masses of 4, 3 and 4 respectively. But when you flip them upside down, they all jump to a whopping 8 mass each! There are others with this issue, but this is the part where I first noticed it. Just... WHY? Now that my rant is done, here is what I originally started to post: I wish the ship builder was much more fleshed out than it currently is. Things I'd like to be able to do: -rotate ladders 90 degrees so they don't directly impede the flow of foot traffic in the main walkways -rotate habs in 90 degrees increments, so that a 2x1 is now oriented as a 1x2, 3x1 is 1x3, etc and so we could decide exactly how the ship is laid out -rotate/flip engines so horizontal mounts could be vertical mounts and vice versa -rotate reactors and grav drives from horizontal to vertical orientations -flip equipment plates to attach to bottom points, as well as rotate them vertically to attach to side mounts; rotate horizon weapon mounts to attach at top and bottom mounts in addition to side mounts -rotate/flip EVERY SINGLE STRUCTURAL PIECE IN THE GAME! There are seriously so many pieces that can't be flipped or don't have an existing counterpart by that same shipyard that it makes no sense. And even the ones with counterparts that are different should be able to be flipped -and yes, let us see the interior of everything before building the ship. Current day realtors and architects have software that does this right now. A realtor can show you the interior of an existing house without setting foot in it; an architect can do the same before the house has even started construction. This should be in the game!
Love these videos you make. Still can’t believe we can’t see the interiors of the habs before we place them. Also a trend I have noticed is Deimos and stroud are the same layout and hopetech and tayio being the same with different lighting where the nova habs are the one unique design
I'm not a fan of much of anything from Hopetech. Their stuff is too dark and dingy looking to me. One of the things I look at is the seating in a module. I prefer full on chairs that you can strap into. If the module has flimsy stools it gets a hard no from me. I can't see going into battle sitting on a stool with no way to strap in.
Hope tech makes far and away the best habs astatically. Weyland-yutani vibes, which I'd imagine was the inspiration that the drew from. With Deimos and Stroud defiantly having more Star Wars, Empire/Republic looks. Nova gives off a more Trek vibe as opposed to the others. which makes sense honestly, there is a little something for everyone's flavor of Si-fi spaceship interiors. Only really missing the Firefly looks and 40k. Which to be fair wouldn't be an easy task to appease those fan bases. But no worries, I'm certain the modders are already hard at work building gothic space trans-human horror assets as I type.
I find it extremely stupid that by volume you'll get less out of the larger habs that provide any use and most of them are just completely useless. Like if you put 2 x 2x1 Control Stations you get 8 Crew Stations, why would you ever put a 2x2 Battle Station that only gives you 6 Crew Stations. Seems they just needed them to make bigger ships, why bother thinking about their stats etc.
My guess is they started with a different mechanic for gaining Crew # then changed it later on but forgot to fully Q&A everything that had been done before.
@@tnc7399 I do understand style over substance but when eg. 3x1 Engineering Bay doesn't provide anything useful you really need to go out of your way to use them, since you'll still also need to slap in the 2x1 Workshop etc. that provide actual gameplay benefits. E: I also wouldn't mind having "non useful parts" in my ship for looks if the game didn't have stupid limits on reactors, engines etc. and punish me for trying to make a space ship that doesn't look like a box of bricks.
you can only get 8 crew and your bridge usually has a few seats, so it would be sub-optimal to have a 2x1 control station and a 2x1 control room. Really all the larger stuff is just for space. The larger units usually give more for their mass - more Hull and more people (crew or passengers) per mass unit.
I really have a hard time figuring out which purpose those battlestations may have? Do they control turrets with them? Or command ground troops, remote probes and robots maybe? Also i'd really appreciate some more high tech looking options with maybe even holograms, which don't lean so heavily on the 20th century NASApunk optics. All those habs and modules look too similar technologically. Wonder how such rooms designed by Apple would look like?
Someone else commented that it'd be cool if once you took off, the color tones inside your Ship changed to reflect that. It certainly would be a cool touch.
There is a way to select a connection for the builder to use when multiple are available. I believe you can also deselect connections. Using this, you should be able to stair step the 3x3's, when you get there. I don't see many options to create single door rooms, like what you have been doing. Only other thing I can figure is creative use of the shock webs. Although, you might be able to pull off a stepping corner connection. Any way you cut it, I'm sure you've already figured it out. Maybe even got the video in the can. BTW, I think the "fog" over the SE nav table is from a holo-screen. We actually have something like that, now. Used to be an arcade game that used similar tech.
@@delindsay never mind that half of the wording on the console is upside down, leading me to believe that it was previously placed in the center; unless, of course, it's just the same nav console as in the Deimos/Stroud Battle Stations hab.
HopeTech's hab interiors remind me a lot of naval vessels, battleships and subs, very military in appearance, though I would say military in the 40s or something like that.. aside from all the modern stuff. I feel like their stuff is love/hate though.
@@delindsay I'm designing my ship with Crew Habs and Passenger Habs. Crew stations are split between deck one, two and three. Decks one using the darker lights, Deck two mid lights and three is fully lit up. All passenger habs are fully lit but Crew living spaces can vary. My ships is a multi explorer like the federation but i also want that luxury liner space for ferrying passengers in space. What habs you have on your ship aren't fully cosmetic, they effect what type of missions you can do or you options. I saved a colonist life because my ship had a medical bay equipped.
@@delindsay Thanks to your videos, i just figured out my Ship Endgame. I'm gonna use 3/10 of my ships slots as loadouts. Rebuild my main ship 3 times with three different Hab loadouts for alternate missions profiles and ready status.
You'd still have to place a 1x1 between them so it'd be a ton of climbing. But I may have no other choice once we get to the real heavy lifters of Habs.
The hab variety really speaks into why i say that Bethesda half arses things. They COULD have given Taiyo and Stroud their own look and feels but NOPE, they jut made them the exact same as Hopetech and Deimos, but flipped the colour schemes, and its just really sad.
Not defending Bethesda here as I've played most of their games since Morrowind and know all to well how they make games, but it's possible the decision came down to time and possibly was either Zenimax's choice or Microsoft, depending on when it was made.
@delindsay it's just disappointing. They could have done better and more with it but opted not to. Hell, cargo bays dont give you extra cargo space as they should, brigs serve no purpose because taking prisoners isnt a thing, battlestations and computer cores are just for looks since you can practically get max crew capacity from weapons alone, etc. Especially outpost building, that's just severely underwhelming coming off of Falllout 4s settlement building, but it's just in typical Bethesda fashion of releasing a game at 75% and letting modders finish it for them. If anything I'd say it's down to the fact they outsourced the game to 27 different studios while in development.
@@cyanide7270 Could be indeed. And yeah, to have all the micro intricacies in games that give them a thorough "lived in" appearance is what many of us are yearning for.
Not easily no. The "best practice" is to pick the snap point you want the door to spawn at, then scroll through the 2x1 Habs (or 2x2 vise-versa) until one natural snaps to that location. That gives you the best chance that it'll have a door there, but you could still end up with 2 doors, or the opposite snap point. It's really a bad design imho.
I mean, it's not a terrible idea, just a ton of climbing. And there is a height limit too, 40m. You'd have to place a 1x1 Companionway between each so it's 2 floors up every new Hab.
@@delindsay why would you need to place a 1x1 between them? and it wouldn’t be any more climbing than it already is now, you already come up through the floors
@@monochrome_soft9472 To force the ladder in a specific spot, which is why I'm doing this entire series to begin with, to showcase that the game likes to toss doors/ladders just anywhich way and my Ship jig here cuts down the interior decoration loss to a minimum by coming up from the bottom. Trying to stack 2x2's on top of each other and moving the natural snap point will cause all kinds of odd things to happen inside.
Shame most of the Habs fall in line with Star Citizen ships, with being total eunuchs, hope Bethesda or modders can add some usefulness to these Habs. Although no hope for Star Citizen, especially now Chris Roberts is possibly moving on to a new project.
@@delindsay Itsa shame B always release the CK months after the game launches, i suppose they have enough with patches and updates to be going on with, and anyways, the CK is always flaky at best. But yeah, mods will be epidemic after CK's launch.
Probably not, and it wasn't my idea. There were several commenters asking when the "thicc Habs" were coming, in reference to the 2x2's and larger. I just ran with the idea.
They are working from the description but I don't see them on the progress bar. Not sure how YT f'd that up. Just checked other recent videos, the syntax in the description is identical (minus the actual time of the timestamps) so it should be working.
I dug a little deeper and it's apparently a bug YT has known about for over 2 years; the Chapters still working via the video description but not on the video progress bar. Some people say they'll reappear intermittently and others say they'll be gone for months then back again. I'll try and reach out to support but from reading about it, that doesn't seem to help.
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Maybe i lost the part where you are choosing the connection between the habs, or how you are choosing. And a e.g. complete Deimos based ship vs Nova etc.
How convincing, manageable are those manufacturers on their own. Imho when you build a ship, you have a theme in your head. And how good can you build themewise. For me the Outside of Hopetech looks like a Nasa Style, Deimos more of a fighter style... hope i could explain what i mean
@@snooze1987 It stems from the 1st video in this series where I talk about how many of us have been deleting interior decorations without even knowing it and showed a real world example of that: ruclips.net/video/rfEIuDoK3o8/видео.htmlsi=UJVqyntfC4PAsPOM
@@delindsay Thank you, i really missed that spot xD
I'd suggest a cockpits/bridges video, there are some real unique designs. And also some not so great ones. But unfortunately more work to test because you'd have to go back to the ship builder each time. The info from you would be valuable, thanks for your work!
@@pelmers Cockpits will be after I've finished all Habs.
The Stroud one has strong Battlestar Galactica Vibes, I can literally see the old man standing at that nav console.
Indeed.
Hey mate, been really appreciating the walk-throughs of these interiors. Such a pity there's not preview/interior editing available in the base game, so your efforts go a long way. Thank you!
One small suggestion I'd give is to keep your HUD on. When you're inside your ship the compass seems to change to be relative to the orientation of the ship so the nose/tail (bow/stern?) is north/south. This was super helpful planning my interiors with the armories from one of your previous vids.
Keep it up bro!
HUD will be back on for tomorrow's video. Sorry for the confusion.
taiyo went for the star trek 2009 look , but without the lens flairs
Freaking JJ Abrams and his insistence on MOAR LENS FLAIR!
I'll say the same thing about HABs that I said about planets in SWTOR: The fact that you do the exact same thing in/on every single one (quests for SWTOR, and in Starfield there is no functional purpose or difference for your character in these HABs, its mostly cosmetic or for companion use/purposes in Starfield), the only thing that changes is aesthetics, its amazing that the developers can make us have such different reactions to all of them, and the fact some people prefer one over others and another person feels the exact opposite, super impressive.
Oh it's certainly meant as "cosmetic" over having game functionality. Hell, you could create an entire game mechanic with JUST the Ship Habs by requiring certain Habs for certain random encounters to spawn. Like, if you don't have an Infirmary, random encounters where you rescue an injured NPC.
I frequently disagree with your opinions regarding which modules look better, but I love how you highlight all of them so everyone can make a smart decision when designing your ship. Thanks and keep making these videos!
No worries, we all have different tastes. This series is to show people what these interiors look like with the least intrusion so that you the player can make an informed decision.
@@delindsayYep, and you do a great job at it! I even got inspired to make 3 ships that have every 2x1, 2x2, 2x3, 3x2, and 3x3. (No mods, or I would have done it in one ship) With two of all HABs so that I can view everything without doors. (Ex. the 2x1s have one with a door at the fore and one with a door at aft. Also no latter's in any of the HABs visually blocking the way)
However, I barely ever go view those ships and still just watch your videos! 😂
@@GarrettBShaw Heh, glad my videos help you decide which pcs to use for your awesome Ships!
@@delindsay I will add, that I definitely ended up needing to make more than 3 ships I just remembered wrong 😂
@@GarrettBShaw I'm making new Ships almost daily. Some I do videos on, but many of them I don't feel are worthy of a video to be honest.
Hands down best videos for figuring out what to buy for the ships, thanks for making these
I was a surface sailor in the USN with time on an older DDG & FF as well as newer DD, DDG, & CG. The Hope Tech looked the most like the CICs of the newer ship with one major exception. In port CIC was lit with regular lights, but once underway it was blue lights only to help with seeing the console screens. It would be cool if once the ships were in space that the light would shift modes.
Good to know, thank you.
I wonder if you could use the new StarUI HUD mod to only show the compass (and adjust its size/position). Might be worth looking into for these kinds of vids.
@@I_enjoy_some_things I can look into that for sure.
The NAV consoles are made to be in the middle of a room and accessed from all sides. It's just a reused asset. All of them have screens that face the side you are on.
I'm sure that's the case, just looks oddly placed.
Thanks again for the comparison, I think I’ll try to squeeze a Deimos 2x2 behind my big old bridge for the roleplay effect. I finally started building a big ship and fighting against ladder placement is a nightmare lol
A Battle Station directly behind the Cockpit works well in my opinion. There are (some) tricks to get Ladders where you would prefer but it's not always a 100% success. I'll be making a video after the Hab comps to showcase what I've learned and how I think about Ship design for that very problem.
Fwiw, if you enter Nova in the corner at 6:30 you do not lose the corner console unit - good entry place.
Good to know, thanks.
You should win an award for this. Thank you!
HA! Well thank you. I don't know about any awards or not, but it's a nice thing to say.
Vibes-wise, the HopeTech is definitely the coolest but the nav console you pointed out is one of those things I can’t unsee, so I’ll have to go with Deimos
Loving the vids. I really like some of the 2x2 habs, but I'm really surprised there aren't any 2-wide cockpits. Makes it more difficult to use these on a smaller ship and keep the cockpit centered.
Agreed. There's a 3-wide but that doesn't really solve the issue of not having a specifically 2-wide Cockpit.
I really appreciate the videos you've been putting out on starfield.
The Deimos 2x2 battlestation reminds me of that beginning cutscene in halo 3 ODST.
According to the parts list, Taiyō Astroneering has 5 different versions of the Battle Station 2x2
Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Bottom A
Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Bottom B
Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Mid(the one you showed)
Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Top A
Taiyo Battle Stations 2x2 Top B
In the past I've found no discernible interior difference between Top-Mid-Bottom when given those options. There is an exterior difference certainly.
For Taiyo, the purpose of B versions is to provide ports on the sides, whereas the A doesnt have these ports which helps for a cleaner looking exterior.
juhu, its time for the big things, i like your videos very much, thanks for your content.
Thank you.
The Nova Galactic one is the best in my opinion and the one I use on my ship. I like nova habs the most as I feel they are the largest and the most unique compared to the rest. My only complaint about the Nova one is how busy/crowded it is
Nova does always tend to be the stand out, whether people like that, or not.
So, it seems like Stroud is just bright Deimos and Taiyo is just bright hopetech? There's really 3 layouts, not just to these rooms but most habs? Deimos, HopeTech, Nova, and then 2 bright versions of the first two?
Normally I like Nova but this time Deimos/Strout ones look amazing because of how open it is with a central navigation table
@@ObsceneSuperMatt For the most part yes.
@@ObsceneSuperMatt Deimos tends to be the bright one, but, yeah. As far as habs go, S-E and Deimos are paired and then Hopetech and Taiyo are paired. That leaves Nova Galactic to show off the NASA inspired designs. Some bits are from actual concepts NASA has worked up as possibilities.
Stand alone thought that's been bugging me for days: Can anyone tell me why certain structural pieces *_double or more in mass_* when you flip them upside down? The Nova Cowling 2L when on top has 3 variants - fore, middle and aft - with masses of 4, 3 and 4 respectively. But when you flip them upside down, they all jump to a whopping 8 mass each! There are others with this issue, but this is the part where I first noticed it. Just... WHY?
Now that my rant is done, here is what I originally started to post:
I wish the ship builder was much more fleshed out than it currently is. Things I'd like to be able to do:
-rotate ladders 90 degrees so they don't directly impede the flow of foot traffic in the main walkways
-rotate habs in 90 degrees increments, so that a 2x1 is now oriented as a 1x2, 3x1 is 1x3, etc and so we could decide exactly how the ship is laid out
-rotate/flip engines so horizontal mounts could be vertical mounts and vice versa
-rotate reactors and grav drives from horizontal to vertical orientations
-flip equipment plates to attach to bottom points, as well as rotate them vertically to attach to side mounts; rotate horizon weapon mounts to attach at top and bottom mounts in addition to side mounts
-rotate/flip EVERY SINGLE STRUCTURAL PIECE IN THE GAME! There are seriously so many pieces that can't be flipped or don't have an existing counterpart by that same shipyard that it makes no sense. And even the ones with counterparts that are different should be able to be flipped
-and yes, let us see the interior of everything before building the ship. Current day realtors and architects have software that does this right now. A realtor can show you the interior of an existing house without setting foot in it; an architect can do the same before the house has even started construction. This should be in the game!
I haven't noticed this but will certainly be on the lookout now for added Mass when flipping.
The taiyo has a very Weyland Yutani vibe and I'm kinda into that.
Agreed.
Love these videos you make. Still can’t believe we can’t see the interiors of the habs before we place them. Also a trend I have noticed is Deimos and stroud are the same layout and hopetech and tayio being the same with different lighting where the nova habs are the one unique design
I'm not a fan of much of anything from Hopetech. Their stuff is too dark and dingy looking to me. One of the things I look at is the seating in a module. I prefer full on chairs that you can strap into. If the module has flimsy stools it gets a hard no from me. I can't see going into battle sitting on a stool with no way to strap in.
Fair point. Can't be flailing around the Ship when shit gets sticky.
Hope tech makes far and away the best habs astatically. Weyland-yutani vibes, which I'd imagine was the inspiration that the drew from. With Deimos and Stroud defiantly having more Star Wars, Empire/Republic looks. Nova gives off a more Trek vibe as opposed to the others. which makes sense honestly, there is a little something for everyone's flavor of Si-fi spaceship interiors. Only really missing the Firefly looks and 40k. Which to be fair wouldn't be an easy task to appease those fan bases. But no worries, I'm certain the modders are already hard at work building gothic space trans-human horror assets as I type.
Fair.
These vids are very helpful. Thanks so much. Odd that there's no preview in game! Or am I missing something. Anyhow love the vids.
There is no 'Preview' in game as of now and thank you.
Definitely a fan of the HopeTech vibe for this one.
Been waiting for this one
Glad to be of service.
You’re doing gods work here
Thank you.
9:31 I am THIS CLOSE to unnassigning Sam Coe from my crew just so I can get rid of Cora once and for all.
LMAO, but seriously don't. He's the best Pilot in the game.
Thanks again for these.
Welcome.
9:40 if you have zero power to grav drive, it should be microgravity when in space!
Very helpful-thank you.
Happy to be of service.
Great video, thanks. You need to put some weapons on the test ship and go into battle, that would be a great short video 😉
It had a full compliment of Weapons just in case ;)
@@delindsay 😄
I love your videos. Good stuff!
Thank you, glad they helped.
I find it extremely stupid that by volume you'll get less out of the larger habs that provide any use and most of them are just completely useless. Like if you put 2 x 2x1 Control Stations you get 8 Crew Stations, why would you ever put a 2x2 Battle Station that only gives you 6 Crew Stations. Seems they just needed them to make bigger ships, why bother thinking about their stats etc.
My guess is they started with a different mechanic for gaining Crew # then changed it later on but forgot to fully Q&A everything that had been done before.
I think they made it for those who want the style. I am huge on vanity over functionality, also I don't use much crew
@@tnc7399 I do understand style over substance but when eg. 3x1 Engineering Bay doesn't provide anything useful you really need to go out of your way to use them, since you'll still also need to slap in the 2x1 Workshop etc. that provide actual gameplay benefits.
E: I also wouldn't mind having "non useful parts" in my ship for looks if the game didn't have stupid limits on reactors, engines etc. and punish me for trying to make a space ship that doesn't look like a box of bricks.
you can only get 8 crew and your bridge usually has a few seats, so it would be sub-optimal to have a 2x1 control station and a 2x1 control room. Really all the larger stuff is just for space. The larger units usually give more for their mass - more Hull and more people (crew or passengers) per mass unit.
@@ObsceneSuperMatt Curious, is it technically 9 with Sarah?
Hope tech and its blue tint reminds me of the Normandy from Mass Effect
While I didn't play ME, it sure looked like a fun game.
I really have a hard time figuring out which purpose those battlestations may have? Do they control turrets with them? Or command ground troops, remote probes and robots maybe?
Also i'd really appreciate some more high tech looking options with maybe even holograms, which don't lean so heavily on the 20th century NASApunk optics. All those habs and modules look too similar technologically. Wonder how such rooms designed by Apple would look like?
I actually like the Taiyo stuff better. It gives me a classic TARDIS interior vibe.
Fair enough.
They missed an opportunity to offer a battle station with red lights for even more submarine vibes!
Someone else commented that it'd be cool if once you took off, the color tones inside your Ship changed to reflect that. It certainly would be a cool touch.
They should give you a cutaway view in the ship builder when you mouse over stuff
I would kill for that option.
There is a way to select a connection for the builder to use when multiple are available. I believe you can also deselect connections. Using this, you should be able to stair step the 3x3's, when you get there. I don't see many options to create single door rooms, like what you have been doing. Only other thing I can figure is creative use of the shock webs.
Although, you might be able to pull off a stepping corner connection. Any way you cut it, I'm sure you've already figured it out. Maybe even got the video in the can.
BTW, I think the "fog" over the SE nav table is from a holo-screen. We actually have something like that, now. Used to be an arcade game that used similar tech.
Hmm, I hadn't thought about that "fog" actually being technology and not just odd lighting.
I probably wouldn't have thought of it if I hadn't played so much Battletech.@@delindsay
Personally, I think the ideal Battle Stations hab would HopeTech, but with the nav console in the middle, like where Deimos and Stroud have it.
It is odd whomever decided a Nav console should be placed against a wall.
@@delindsay never mind that half of the wording on the console is upside down, leading me to believe that it was previously placed in the center; unless, of course, it's just the same nav console as in the Deimos/Stroud Battle Stations hab.
@@DreddPirateRoberts That too.
Just wish you could have more crew on the ships especial the larger ones to give it abit more life
You can, but it requires a T4 Skill and some serious time investment.
HopeTech's hab interiors remind me a lot of naval vessels, battleships and subs, very military in appearance, though I would say military in the 40s or something like that.. aside from all the modern stuff. I feel like their stuff is love/hate though.
Agree, most people share love/hate opinions with me about HopeTech.
There sure are a LOT of hazardous materials littering these habs. Maybe the barrels are just empty.
That's a hopeful option because otherwise wtf.
I want to see a mod that makes the orientation of these battle station Habs better.
Man, I'd love that!
Taiyo Astroneering feels like starfleet before all stations go to red alert.
That's a very interesting way to look at it.
@@delindsay I'm designing my ship with Crew Habs and Passenger Habs. Crew stations are split between deck one, two and three. Decks one using the darker lights, Deck two mid lights and three is fully lit up. All passenger habs are fully lit but Crew living spaces can vary. My ships is a multi explorer like the federation but i also want that luxury liner space for ferrying passengers in space. What habs you have on your ship aren't fully cosmetic, they effect what type of missions you can do or you options. I saved a colonist life because my ship had a medical bay equipped.
@@delindsay Thanks to your videos, i just figured out my Ship Endgame. I'm gonna use 3/10 of my ships slots as loadouts. Rebuild my main ship 3 times with three different Hab loadouts for alternate missions profiles and ready status.
@@IN-tm8mw That would be a great game mechanic if they implemented it.
@@IN-tm8mw Awesome! Glad to be of help.
I don't like it when the nav console is up against a wall and you can't go around the entire thing
Agreed.
you could always stack em on top of each other instead of having them side by side... for the 2x3 and 3x3
You'd still have to place a 1x1 between them so it'd be a ton of climbing. But I may have no other choice once we get to the real heavy lifters of Habs.
One thing I don't understand is why do the manufacturers put explosive, corrosive and radioacive barrels on the ships?
Srs. I kind of makes sense to be in the Cargo Bay, but only if properly stored and strapped in.
@@delindsay Lets store this barrel of H3 inside the CIC, nothing will ever happen to it there!
@@Raz0rking Right?
The hab variety really speaks into why i say that Bethesda half arses things. They COULD have given Taiyo and Stroud their own look and feels but NOPE, they jut made them the exact same as Hopetech and Deimos, but flipped the colour schemes, and its just really sad.
Not defending Bethesda here as I've played most of their games since Morrowind and know all to well how they make games, but it's possible the decision came down to time and possibly was either Zenimax's choice or Microsoft, depending on when it was made.
@delindsay it's just disappointing. They could have done better and more with it but opted not to. Hell, cargo bays dont give you extra cargo space as they should, brigs serve no purpose because taking prisoners isnt a thing, battlestations and computer cores are just for looks since you can practically get max crew capacity from weapons alone, etc. Especially outpost building, that's just severely underwhelming coming off of Falllout 4s settlement building, but it's just in typical Bethesda fashion of releasing a game at 75% and letting modders finish it for them.
If anything I'd say it's down to the fact they outsourced the game to 27 different studios while in development.
@@cyanide7270 Could be indeed. And yeah, to have all the micro intricacies in games that give them a thorough "lived in" appearance is what many of us are yearning for.
When placing a 2x1 along side a 2x2, is there a way to control where you are coming in from?
Not easily no. The "best practice" is to pick the snap point you want the door to spawn at, then scroll through the 2x1 Habs (or 2x2 vise-versa) until one natural snaps to that location. That gives you the best chance that it'll have a door there, but you could still end up with 2 doors, or the opposite snap point. It's really a bad design imho.
@@delindsay Thank you. I enjoy the content. Please keep it up.
@@thebashar Thank you for stopping by!
yeah... none of these habs are cramped enough to be submarine like, at least nothing like the WW2 sub I took a tour of in Hawai'i...
I meant the appearance, color tone.
little to no interactivity feelsbadman
I would love to see each Hab type have an actual purpose, even if for as little as what random encounters you could get.
funny looking ship
Indeed it is, fully capable though and flight "worthy" of sorts.
@@delindsay give it turrets on every corner of those blocks 😂
@@aria.e It has (4) PB-30's on it that I can supply all 12 power to. Plenty to deal with up to moderate inconveniences.
why not just stack all of the habs on top of eachother in a single tower? less confusing, quicker, and wont have to worry about running out of space
I mean, it's not a terrible idea, just a ton of climbing. And there is a height limit too, 40m. You'd have to place a 1x1 Companionway between each so it's 2 floors up every new Hab.
@@delindsay why would you need to place a 1x1 between them? and it wouldn’t be any more climbing than it already is now, you already come up through the floors
@@monochrome_soft9472 To force the ladder in a specific spot, which is why I'm doing this entire series to begin with, to showcase that the game likes to toss doors/ladders just anywhich way and my Ship jig here cuts down the interior decoration loss to a minimum by coming up from the bottom.
Trying to stack 2x2's on top of each other and moving the natural snap point will cause all kinds of odd things to happen inside.
Other than cosmetics and roleplay, what do the battlehabs add to the ship?
6 Crew Stations. Especially good if you don't like the 2x1 Control Stations or Computer Cores (which add 5 if both are used).
Shame most of the Habs fall in line with Star Citizen ships, with being total eunuchs, hope Bethesda or modders can add some usefulness to these Habs. Although no hope for Star Citizen, especially now Chris Roberts is possibly moving on to a new project.
You know Modders are going to go apeshit on this once the Creation Club is out.
@@delindsay Itsa shame B always release the CK months after the game launches, i suppose they have enough with patches and updates to be going on with, and anyways, the CK is always flaky at best. But yeah, mods will be epidemic after CK's launch.
@@davewills6121 Indeed.
2x2 the minimum amount required to be thicc?
Probably not, and it wasn't my idea. There were several commenters asking when the "thicc Habs" were coming, in reference to the 2x2's and larger. I just ran with the idea.
time stamps aren't working sadly
They are working from the description but I don't see them on the progress bar. Not sure how YT f'd that up. Just checked other recent videos, the syntax in the description is identical (minus the actual time of the timestamps) so it should be working.
I dug a little deeper and it's apparently a bug YT has known about for over 2 years; the Chapters still working via the video description but not on the video progress bar. Some people say they'll reappear intermittently and others say they'll be gone for months then back again.
I'll try and reach out to support but from reading about it, that doesn't seem to help.
@@delindsay ah gotcha