Indigenous Reflections on Christianity
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- Опубликовано: 25 май 2015
- What are the ecological implications of Christianity?
There’s a story that has has played out all over the world. First come the missionaries doing good. Indigenous communities split apart and connections to land, ancestors and spirits of place weaken-not everywhere, but almost everywhere. Then come, in some order or another, government agents, land speculators, mining companies, the military. Some get rich. Some feel saved. But land and culture suffer. Sacred places are targeted at the same time as political and spiritual leaders are taken down. The connections have to be weakened for the colonizer to win.
We all know about this history but we rarely talk about it in any depth, or assess the relationship to our planet’s environmental crisis. And we rarely listen to what indigenous historians have to say about this-their analysis. Here it is. Onondaga Faithkeeper Oren Lyons, Native Hawaiian historian Davianna McGregor, Australian Aboriginal elder and former Catholic priest Patrick Dodson, and Anishinaabe author and activist Winona LaDuke offer their insights into the history of Christianity in relation to indigenous peoples and ecosystems around the world.
While filming Standing on Sacred Ground: Fire and Ice-in both Ethiopia and Peru-our cameras captured scenes of Christian harassment of indigenous ceremonies on sacred land. These interview bites in this RUclips clip are outtakes from some of the profound interviews we were fortunate to conduct during the making of Standing on Sacred Ground. While our four-hour series does include key sound bites that you will hear in these longer comments, some important thought sequences take a while to unfold. This needs to be a long, long conversation-so let’s have it!
They came!
They had their bible and
We had our Rivers!
We had our Lakes!
We had our Mountains!
We had our Lands!
They told us
'close your eyes and pray'!
So we closed our eyes
and we prayed!
When we opened our eyes!
They had our Rivers!
They had our Lakes!
They had our Mountains!
They had our Lands!
And we had their bible!
Yours or the creators?
I’m doing a Druid course (trying to learn my native Celtic spirituality) & the similarities with indigenous peoples of the Americas is unbelievably similar. I wish had these teachings when I was growing up.
😊 Who is teaching this and, where?
@@Jetmab04 OBOD (order of bards, ovates & druids). It’s a correspondence course based in England but they do it worldwide
@@seanirishterrier6588 Thanks Sean 😊
I recommend the you look into the Romuva religion of Lithuainia. Before Neo-paganism, they were the only paganist people in Christian Europe.
As a Christian, I apologise as to how native people have been treated. Many so-called Christians in the past
and now, think, the earth, doesn't matter, but it does. God told us to respect and be guardians of this planet.
The environmental movement amongst Christians to save our planet is a real force. The church how many native people describe it is something Christ would have railed against. Jesus would have been on the side of the indigenous people.
I remember a really good quote from Liberation Theologian Frei Betto when asked about his views. He said "It's the Bourgeoise which has turned religion into the opium of the masses by preaching a God, lord of the heavens only while taking possession of the Earth for itself."
Ah, the CLASSIC and never-ending no-true-scotsman fallacy..it just never gets old.
Christianity Is OK with Destroying the Environment because they believe they'll get another New Earth
@@shifuarena901 No we're not okay. How little, you understand. Yes, it does state about a new earth, but that doesn't mean Christians don't care about the environment.
Your religion is always changing its mind about topics in order too stay relevent. But does it actually stick too the new morals it potrays?
Well, i would say they act the same way the 2 prevelent american political parties do.
its ALL talk, the people pure of heart are the minority. When it comes too the maze that is the blinding fractal of white religion. People tend too follow the herd and choose madness
I haven’t finished the video yet but at 3:46 when the professor says it’s the Judeo-Christian tradition to basically capitalize on the land I had to pause. We are called to be STEWARDS of the land, not colonizers and profit mongers. We are called to protect and care for the land... unfortunately this has been twisted by heretics for hundreds of years.
It’s so painful to see what the heretics (they’re not Christians) have done to Jesus’ name.
I agree with you. Jesus would not have been happy to what was done to these people. Jesus spoke of love and peace. God gave us the land to meet our needs not to make profits from it.
True Christians do not follow religion. We follow the Holy Spirit of YHWH or Yahweh. The pope is considered a Roman Catholic which true spiritually disciplined Christians DO NOT consider aligned with Christian doctrine. The pope calls himself the Holy Father which is blasphemy, Christians do not subscribe to this doctrine or any of the politicized nature and even pagan roots which are married to Christian values= Catholics. For instance, Christians do believe that Jesus is the living water therefore in a spiritual sense we agree much more on the value within Mother Earth and essentially all of humanity, or spiritually. As a Christian who does have a foundation in the word of God I could say that any seriously committed Christian person will condemn the any abuse of any person. Yahweh created the world so that each idea or spiritual side of things would have a marriage between morality and spiritual. Christians do no only focus on morals. We do that in order to build and teach a substantial way to strengthen and keep your spirit from becoming defiled. That’s why morality is important and so clear outline in naturalism. There is a marriage of all things because the Father so created the world this way. He cannot force people into following his ways but He does hold everyone accountable so the justice and love and mercy all play out in perfect. He marries things together and does not separate anything that is good ever! He says let no one separate what God has brought together and made good. So if you blame Christianity for all of these things in which Christian people are responsible for and not the actual beliefs then you are walking a slippery slope and you are risking the fact that you are denying Christ Jesus (Christ Jesus literally means Chosen Messiah and Savior or one who saves). This argument and video is highly misleading and does not even understand Christian doctrine.
EvangelinasMusic, people like this, at least as it seems to me, aren’t actually interested in what the Lord has asked of us here on earth. They only look at the greed and vindictiveness of men, and paint Christianity with a dark, broad brush. They’re not interested in truth. They’re only interested in pushing a narrative.
@yellowleaf Then do you agree Christians are wrong when they say Muslims are oppressing them because of how Christians get treated in countries where Islam just happens to be the most followed religion there also focusing on this group and they need to also understand its not muslims ruclips.net/video/ytdMUddGe-U/видео.html
yellowleaf I agree. How can we expect native people to embrace a religion that has been so terribly forced upon them by corrupted groups. If I didn’t know Jesus I would be just as hurt by anyone who claims Christianity is good after the atrocities committed by these groups. The Catholic Church needs to accept and address what they have done to people. They must repent. They must reconcile. Because of the residential schools and the torture and abuse, because of the doctrine of discovery, they are denying so many people the love that Jesus has for them. They have turned people AWAY from God. My prayer is that Jesus reaches everyone. That people welcome Him with open hearts. That’s what’s important. ❤️
I’m moved by these brave testimonies. 🔥So many barbarians came “in the name of god”. My sincere deep apology for the crimes of so-called “Christian” people. It’s a terrible history. I’m ashamed and saddened by the reality of it. I’ve been reading the Bible for almost 40 years. Jesus never instructed us to steal land or property. Or to kill anyone. It’s not there. Period. Jesus said love your neighbor as you love yourself. Not to quarrel with people. He came to lay His life down so we wouldn’t have to shed blood anymore. Then He gave Himself up to be hung... sounds way different from what the Europeans did to the indigenous tribes in North America. BTW, I’m Taino Indian and Christian. I would love to see us repent and do better towards the original keepers of this land. I don’t understand why the European mindset has to conquer everything. There’s a lot to repent for. 😢
Totally agree! They used Christianity to carry out selfish ambitions. It so sad that they lied and sinned in the name of Christianity.
Carlos Ramirez how could you be Christian
Your people had there own beliefs that were scratched out, the told them it’s either the Bible or the riffle, and you believe in Jesus fucking Christ I’m baffled 💀
Carlos Ramirez hey brother, I was curious to learn more about your spiritual journey to that led you to Christ Jesus? I can’t help but notice such a strength in spirituality amongst the Native people and how much I experience that amongst my Christian brothers and sisters.
M A , God Bless you. Indigenous people had their lives invaded by foreigners and taken away. It’s true. Those foreigners thought what they were doing was “Christian” but they were sorely mistaken. I cant compare them to what I can read for myself in the Bible. With my own eyes. I don’t have a good enough understanding to know why they behaved like they did. But I can choose to be better. So I read the book myself. It’s really passionate and personal. Take one day at a time and search answers for your life. I know it will help you. God is real. 💯❤️🌈
Deanna Alvarez, my mom raised 10 of us and she had a very hard life. She never quit praying for us all. Never even still today. It made me wonder why someone would put the SAFTEY of her little ones in the hands of a person she could not see. Years of reading, trying my own way, and failing a lot lead me to realize that the Bible is rock solid and very compassionate to everyday situations. It’s stories and teachings are wise and good for a successful life. I haven’t gone wrong in following it’s teachings and it’s love for others. Love wins. God Bless you 💪🏽
I'm an Atheist Navajo. I believe that the First People suffered too much from the pain, suffering and mockery. And forced to take a part in a foreign religion. My people were put into Bordering Schools, hold at gunpoint to worship the Christian faith. Our traditions are dying, our way of life and beliefs are going away.
But that's just history that's still felt today, our history hasn't left us. Our identity is lost a long time ago. And in progress.
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Have hope we’re only going up in numbers and there are still quite a bit of us that are retaining our true identity I refuse to believe that Bible I’m have a connection w the creator and it’s starts w learning where you’re from and your history teach the young’s ones around you the history
Right there with you.
I put it this way-
Standing at
The Window of Infinity Possibilities
With Feet firm in Earth
Knowing-
None of man’s
Creation Myths
Gave me Birth
i hear you it’s not right what they did to our people but they weren’t true followers of jesus.. jesus only preached love and light.. it was never a white mans religion either.. jesus was dark skinned and jewish but they gentrified that & white washed him as well..please don’t lose sight of our creator he’s been with us always.. and he was with our ancestors many moons ago when they walked the trails of tears and were almost killed off by the colonizers. & yet we’re still here. please don’t let those murderers keep u from having a relationship with christ
I was raised in Christian community. I had Baptist preacher grandfathers on both sides of my family. However…I have always been drawn to nature. I have never felt at “home” in any Christian church. I feel the Great Spirit all around me in nature. When I listen to music of native peoples, even though I may not understand the language, I feel the message in my soul. I feel that native peoples will lead us back to the righteous path.
Thats exactly how i always felt especially what you said about native music.
At Leo or Cancer
Leo energy. Do your birth chart. My girlfriend works in the park community and literally every single person she works with is a Leo. There are some Leos that aren't connected with nature. Maybe you need some Capricorn in you too but you might have a lot of Capricorn and a lot of Leo there's probably at least one other sign that's into that but I haven't figured it out yet. I'm into nature too but not in the same way as them I kind of like to run through the mountains and things like that
How sad for you. Born into a family which practices the only true religion yet you trash it for pagan worship. If you're not born again and continue on this path, you will have all of eternity to regret your mistake. Eve was deceived as you are deceived. I pray that you ask God to reveal the truth to you.
@@jon5784 we must pray that Jesus will reveal the truth to the Native American people
I am Cherokee. I am so very happy to see this film, to know others are discussing this! For the past 35 + years I've tried to open this discussion among other Cherokee. Still, in fear, they cling to Christianity. For so long, my people had many things to fear. For over 200 years the Cherokee tried to show the whites and the Government that we were the same as them and there was no need to take our land, and later our children. I hear Christian prayers at our sacred ceremonies and I want to scream, wake up.. wake up! Nothing the Cherokee did stopped the greed, the fear, the hatred, the resentment, the land is gone, they took our children, the people lived in fear and still do... but there is nothing left for anyone to take, now. The chain of tradition is broken.
+michelle mays
Tradition, tradition, the usual cry of the extreme right wing in any political or religious culture. Tradition is bunk unless instituted by the one God, the Creator of the universe. And even He changes programme (dispensations, some theologians call this) from time to time. And with the traditionalists, the chauvinists, it's always 'my people, my people, our ways, our ways, are the best.' Chauvinism, that's what it is, pure and simple. Every nation has its chauvinists, first in line to whip up the frenzy of war. But the verdict of history and of the Word of God is that 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' Have you ever lied or cheated or lusted after what is not yours? Then you are a sinner like the rest of us, Cherokee or not. Do you know anyone who is not a sinner? I do: Jesus Christ of Nazareth, born not a European but a Jew. He was not born the normal way, having no biological father. He did not behave 'normally', but with perfect integrity. He went about doing nothing but good, and teaching in such a way that no one could refute. His execution had to be framed because nobody could accuse him without lies and contradictions, and so it is today! He paid in His own innocent blood the just penalty for your sins and mine. His resurrection from the dead and his ascension put the stamp of authority on everything He ever said and did in the sight of mankind. Compared with the magnificent life of Christ, what are pagan fripperies, feathers and smoke and all? And to be frank, much pagan superstition crept into the churches over time, corrupting their message and witness, perhaps giving encouragement to people like you to reject the Gospel. But no one is exonerated by the sins of others. Please reconsider your position for your own good, I beg you.
Keeping one's pride is not worth losing one's soul.
Thank you for your consideration. You sound happy with your religion and that is good for you. I have no fear, that which is the creative force of the Universe includes all and is beautiful beyond words. The only thing I have to say about Christianity is that it's been changed so much from it's original form that what we now know of it may not be as it was in the beginning. One thing we know without doubt is that Christianity in it's original form was born from a nomadic tribe of people. Much later Constantine used Christianity to unify the people he ruled... then the Roman Catholic Church did their best to wipe out any other belief system on Earth because the leaders were more interested in the power and wealth that controlling people brought than they were interested in living life as Christ taught. They were almost successful in wiping out all the people who had other beliefs... but thank God, they didn't completely succeed. Christianity, with all it's denominations, each saying you must follow their brand of Christianity if you want to go to heaven, etc... is a far cry from the original form that Christ taught. Sinners- That is a Christian concept that does not apply to my and many other's beliefs. If you want to believe that you are a sinner, I will not argue with you. I believe each of us has God within us and that all things, all people, everything is a part of God. So, I accept that you want to experience your life trough Christianity.. and really, that's ok. I do not judge you. Nor would I think myself superior to you or anyone because I might think my beliefs are better than yours. Though, time after time, Christians have behaved that way toward any who do not follow their beliefs or even their denomination. This I find is a contradiction.. it goes against the words of Christ.. which Christians are supposed to follow if they are Christians. I wish you well and great happiness along your path of life, and as you follow the words of Christ.
michelle mays
Glad to hear from you; I was hoping that I might. Of course it is rather comforting to find that you do not have a hostile attitude, because I spoke sharply on some points----though you may already understand, with acute concern as well. And I have high regard for my indigenous brethren in the Church. If you will, they and I belong to the same people,
but we aim to include as many members as possible!
Culturally there have been immense changes over 2000 years, but the essential Gospel message remains crystal-clear, and the usual objections remain the same (as one can see from reading the pastoral letters between Acts and Revelation). Also human needs, I believe, are the same the world over, which is one reason why I don't show more sensitivity toward ethnic particularism. Maybe being descended from very different European 'tribes' and having biracial (Eurasian) kids changes one'spersepctive too. I have even given up my own former civic nationalism as too narrow and exclusive. (However I also reject the global cosmopolitanism pushed by schools, media, the corporate world, and many politicians, as I bet you also might.)
I am from Canada, and indigenous people here have recently made long-overdue impact in national politics. When I was growing up in the seventies in Saskatchewan, there was for all intents and purposes apartheid between natives and whites. The only two native kids I knew personally were adopted, and then there was the son of my brother's Metis baseball coach. You might have heard of the scandal of Canadian residential schools. Quite apart from the charge of cultural genocide, these were a brutal assault upon the institution of the family. To make matters worse, the government farmed out their young charges to church-run organizations which by and large disgraced the name of Christ by their actions.
You may remember the parable of the wheat and the tares (it is easy to look up), that not everyone posing as a Christian truly follows Jesus or has His Spirit living within. The Roman Catholic church bears responsibility, I should think, for the greatest number of abuses (typically beatings and sexual abuse),
though they were not alone. Their policy of forced clerical celibacy (if you can call it that!), a ridiculous policy unjustified by any Scripture, must have exposed men and women in positions of power, unprepared for and undeserving of responsibility, to temptations
which they could not overcome, and there was no supervisory authority to check their criminal activities. Now it is generally true that lack of accountability leads to degenerate behavior, because human inclinations are naturally evil,
as the Bible clearly teaches (and it is proven by history and experience as well). Even when we do good deeds, there is usually considerable self-regard in it.
But to return to the story, there has been a 'truth and reconciliation' commission, inspired no doubt by a similar process in South Africa.
Past colonial policies have been so far put to shame that there is no going back. Now it is perfectly understandable that (as we now say) First Nations folks who were mistreated by parachurch organizations in tandem with government organizations, would have trouble disentangling the original Christian message from the mess of racism, crime, and religious hypocrisy (literally, play-acting) in which they have been immersed for approximately three generations. Add to that having to live in an economic limbo, not fully able to pursue traditional occupations, nor fully invited into the modern economy. But I have seen (on TV mostly) many eloquent speakers on behalf of their communities. Like black folks in the USA, in order to shine they really must shine.
But then you have the typical disproportionality with respect to alcoholism, suicide, prostitution, incarceration, etc., and Third World economic conditions in remote communities subjected to a dependent relationship with government. Maybe it is better in the USA, where the colonial history was far more violent, but where indigenous heritage seems to be valued among white folks nowadays. That I wouldn't know.
I hope that was a necessary diversion. But the point is this: it troubles me when people of any background cannot see the beauty of Jesus Christ because they are too busy looking in the mirror with rose-colored glasses on, even if they are doing so in an effort to extinguish their own pain. I honestly feel that indigenous folks are selling themselves short by retreating into the past. Sometimes I have had to admit to myself that the past is past. One cannot go back and retrieve it and do it over again, but better this time. In order truly to live, one might have to leave more than just bits of one's self behind. Nobody ever left himself behind more completely than Christ. 'Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.'
But He did rise again, and invites us to share that experience. Believer's baptism symbolizes the death of the old self and the rising again with Him. And sooner or later the new life will be evident in new behavior and new attitudes. As it says, 'faith without works is dead'.
All the best.
I enjoyed reading your comment. It sounds like you are educated and a person of good consciousness and Spirit. It is a pleasure to discover this about you.
I was sure I'd get a different response from you, I love being surprised.. you seem like a very interesting person!
I have to agree.. Native people were not treated well in the past. History of humanity repeated itself when Christians came to the North and South Continent on this side of the world. One or two Popes gave Catholic explorers permission to usurp Native people and possessions and this mentality continues on even today, though to a much lesser extent.. there's not much more that can be usurped from Native people, not much is left.
Things are better now in North America for all people, regardless of color. Humanity has evolved a little bit, though greed, etc.. still reigns. Until all humans can recognize this within ourselves and treat it all in a different manner.. Humanity will continue allowing these things to destroy us all.
What I'd like to comment upon is the unfortunate, judgmental, condescending, arrogant and ignorant attitude that most Christians project toward anyone who is not a Christian and/or not in their denomination. I'm not saying you project this in a horribly negative manner.. yet, subtly, you do have that attitude.
This mindset is what each Christian learns, it is a part of what is being taught as Christianity and so most Christians really are unaware that they're projecting this silly attitude toward people. They think and project to others that their beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong, they are superior.
No one likes to be around people who are like this, and as far as Christianity goes.. it is the reason a lot of people immediately turn down the volume .. don't listen to Christians. This is not what Jesus taught, but as far as I can discern, is a left over from the middle ages and is still useful because it keeps Christians from questioning their religion and investigating God for themselves. I've always found that through questioning one learns, understands to a deeper more profound level, than just following what someone else says.
This has helped create people like countless Popes, countless TV and radio Church Preachers, people like Jim Jones.. etc.. etc...etc... to use Christianity for their own greedy goals. But, it's not just Christianity.. these behaviors can be seen in just about every religion since the dawn of time until today.
Human Beings have a long history of ugly, vile, selfish and greedy behaviors in everything they do. I've often wondered if this ugly behavior is built into our DNA. These ugly behaviors humans do to humans and other life... are the reason we do not live in Heaven on Earth at this moment. Accountability.. you hit the nail on the head.
It's because people don't seem to understand that.. God is in everything, every moment, everywhere... There are no secrets, no hidden behaviors.. The God in all things is not blind, but see's all things. Humans do not understand.. we think that there isn't accountability for our actions unless we get caught, but even then, we can lie and cheat our of it... but in reality, each moment of our lives is a moment we are accountable for .. because God is in all things, everywhere, always. Nothing, nothing is hidden.
As we treat others, we are treating God. Do unto others as you would have done to you. Jesus said that. Jesus said many profound truths. As far as I am concerned, Jesus is the Son of God. .. But also.. each person born is a son or daughter of God, though they may not be aware of it. I may not count myself as exclusively Christian, but I do acknowledge the wisdom and beauty of what Jesus taught. Throughout the history of Humanity, there have always been profound individuals who shared their knowledge of God.. in many different religions and Spiritual Paths.
God is not the exclusive possession of Christianity, though, I've found that a lot of Christians of every denomination believes God belongs only to them and no one else.
The Catholic Church, so long ago.. said that humans needed someone to intercede for them.. for God. The Christian church still practices this.. every denomination.
I don't believe humans need someone to intercede for us.. I believe each moment God is with us, in us, around us... always. I believe each person is accountable for how they treat God.. the God in each of us, all things, everywhere always.
The Christian concept of sin.. is Christian, though I do believe in every word and action we humans make.. we can destroy or protect, honor or disrespect the God in all things, everywhere always. This life is a gift, beautiful, precious, sacred. As I treat you, so shall the Sacred, Creation, God be with me. As you are with me, so shall the Sacred, Creation, God be with you. It doesn't manifest while we live but without doubt, it does when we pass to the other side of life when this brief experience in the physical Sacred ends. I don't think most people are aware of this, if they were, we would all be in heaven on Earth at this moment.
But, as it really is... Humans continually do despicable things to each other. I hope we will evolve, mature, and stop acting like children on the playground when the teacher is away.. because really.. the teacher is always watching. haha.
I've written way to much, and basically just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed your post. I'm sleepy and at these times I get wordy. I was pleased that the hard core superior attitude most Christians have.. was not in your post. May all things be bright and beautiful in your life, and may we all celebrate the Sacred that surrounds all of us, each moment.
michelle mays
I hope that don't mind my responding in kind (again) and at some length-------no pressure on you to continue if you don't want to. I too was pleasantly surprised by the number of strong insights which you have. I acknowledge without any displeasure your perception that the sense of certainty which Christians have, even though not grounded in themselves but in Another, may come off as arrogant superiority--even when we (as you see is my aim) make a conscious attempt to suppress arrogance. So firmly ingrained is the sense of 'we' versus 'them', the tribalism if you will, in human nature. Intellectually it would be dishonest for us to compromise our basic beliefs, but at the same time Christ, Who had and has the real authority and Himself embodies Truth, is the perfect example of humility. So, guilty as charged, but at least the solution to the problem lies within our faith, in being more obedient to the Lord while on this earth, and in the hope that, for those who are saved, the sinful nature and any remembrance of it will may be erased with physical death,
like the shedding of a constricting cocoon
(or as in the Biblical resurrection, leaving behind the grave-cloth).
Your own theological understanding seems like a cross between Biblical monotheism and pantheism. Of course a fully Biblical revelation of God places God outside the Creation though also in it: 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth'. But you do not seem to regard God as impersonal, as some pantheists do----as it were, the sum total of what is. That way of thinking wouldn't provide a clear basis for ethics, and on those grounds you would reject that philosophy just as I do. However, if God really is independent of His Creation and sovereign over it, then He is the subject of history in a way that we are not and nature, or the earth, is not. This difference in emphasis is one of the contrasts which I see between Christian and indigenous monotheism. Another major difference has to do with their treatment of sin, which you actually described very well as a social phenomenon. But according to the Biblical story, humanity lived once (for a very short time) in a state of innocence but corrupted itself, with tragic consequences which we see every day: you must have heard, 'for the wages of sin is death'. That is a powerful reason for not holding any particular human culture in very great confidence. At the same time, God used the dispersion of mankind to make a multicolored and very interesting quilt of nations and tribes. But in Christ, not only are human persons redeemed individually, but to a limited extent culture can be improved, its worst elements mitigated; and in Christ (but only truly in Christ, not through political means), a new unified humanity can be built.
Perhaps you have heard Galatians 3:28, 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.' That is the vision which inspires me, as a person who otherwise would be quite cynical and 'down' on the world. Obviously it is not a political program at all, but it has political implications, which are far too often ignored
For example, in a 'democratic' nation like the USA, if it had been true to its much-vaunted Judeo-Christian roots, black slavery, or the deportation of indigenous tribes across the Mississippi, should have been considered unconscionable.
As for the filial relationship of human beings to God, I see two ways to understand this. The first is part of what we call 'general revelation':
'for in Him we live and move and exist........for we are His children' (excerpted from Acts 17:27-28). It is not specifically Christian of course. However it entails a much higher and more accurate understanding than gross superstition and polytheistic idol-worship, or atheism which denies the very existence of a spiritual realm. The second way accounts for the natural enmity which exists between man and God ('the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, becausethat which is known about God is evident within them'), which parallels the enmity between man and man, so that a 'new birth' is needed before we can receive the 'adoption' as sons and daughters. 'But as many as received Him' [that is, Jesus, and it does not say 'as many as admired Him'], 'to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God'
(John 1:12-13).
Of course I can't help trying to make the case again, knowing full well that nobody's conscience can or should be forced. In closing, I should mention that I was not brought up in the Church, although when I was young my parents did attend sporadically and sent me for awhile to Sunday school-------but I didn't understand a thing. It took a number of encounters with believers and a fair bit of disillusionment before I began to see spiritual things as important. Of course I had to be convinced of the historical facts surrounding Jesus Christ before I would listen. I was converted and baptized at age 22 while away at college. Sometimes God has to wake us or shock us before we pay attention,and often repeatedly. As is says (Jeremiah 17:9) 'The heart is more deceitful than all else and is despertately sick, who can understand it?'
We do necessarily have to agree for me to wish God's blessing upon you and your family.
I am an indigenous people from the north-eastern part of India. My people have suffered under British colonisation for years, they burnt and brutally killed my people to crush our resistance. At present day we are still fighting for freedom from the Indian Government and to demilitarised our sacred land that belongs to our ancestors.
Protestant Christians from north America came in the 19th century and successfully converted us into their White Christian beliefs, now 95% of indigenous people are Christians. Growing up I was told by my own parents everything my ancestors believed and practiced were false, the white man that brought Jesus to us from America is superior over all our ancient beliefs and traditions.
Most my people have no idea about the European settlers genocides of the Native Americans in the name of their religion. We barely have proper water supply or electricity in my land, so getting the truth out and reversing the damage is not going to happen anytime soon for us. I am praying to the Creator that one day there will be justice for my people too.
Christianity is not a European religion. A lot if European didn't want it either. Most Europeans just dont know it today. But look at the one part of Europe that resisted christianity (and didn't colonize anyone)
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@@finnwraith5319 There is no mention of Christianity being a European religion.
@@finnwraith5319 I clicked the link you put under your comment but when it opened it said the video was unavailable. If you can please
re-upload it I'm curious the video you posted.
@@chauncycobos836 The video is no longer available. The video was an Estonian talking about the Northern Crusades and why Estonia is the least religious country in Europe
Here is the channel it was on ruclips.net/user/arturrehi
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@@chauncycobos836 Here is another video showing similar things ruclips.net/video/JZnEompv3KQ/видео.html
I am cree native American I was told I was going to hell because I was born native and I was a savage. I started to believe them and hated myself for it. My mom said the the nun's and father's or here to help the native people to become human and save our souls. The Christian told me this. After a long time I found my way to my creator and my family thought my ways
Let no man condemn you. God is no respector of persons.
How can we really know "The Holy God" is real?
god is real i believe.But not limit to one religion.
I'm really sorry that you experienced that. True Catholic person with God in their heart will never said that because it's a lie. Our religion doesn't say that. But in our religion, Satan is a father of all lies, and he corrupts people to manipulate themselves and others away from the God. So in a sense, Satan met his goal by you experiencing fear from all the lies that you've heard, and therefore abandoning Catholicism. :(
@@chrisbeasley4641 Kia Ora (one breathe) brother Maori from Aotearoa New Zealand tino pai
Powerful insights into how indigenous peoples way of being has been usurped. Blessings on you all for speaking out and for sharing our shared reality.
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Even the Bible says " the Earth belongs to God" it's Creator. The first mankind was told to take a care of it... not to destroy it for his own benefit. We(humans) are destroying our home and the home of all the other life here on earth,which The Creator has created. When will we wake up!!! My God help us to regain our senses and try to live in harmony with our Creator, the Earth, each other and all of the awesomel life who shares this wonderful planet!!
What has been done and said is so wrong.
It is not my fault. I wasn't born then, but it is my responsibility to make it better.
EXACTLY!!
THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN! MY ANCESTORS DIDN'T STEP FOOT IN AMERICA BEFORE THE 1930s BUT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE CHURCH THAT DID THIS! I'M GRATEFUL TO GOD HE PROTECTED MY POLISH PEOPLE IN ALL THE ATROCITIES COMMITED AGAINST THEM BUT I KNOW I NEED TO REPENT TO THE INDEGENOUS! I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THE WHITE PEOPLE WHO DID ALL THIS, BUT I'M FURIOUS, APPALLED, AND DISAPOINTED IN MY CHURCH FAMILY THAT DID THESE THINGS! LORD JESUS CHRIST SON OF THE LIVING GOD HAVE MERCY ON US SINNERS!
Then make it better.
I dIdN't Do It!!!!
Yeah but you benefit from that system and still participate in it so...
You're steal accoubtable.
It's our kuleana because we're all related.
This is most excellent. I’ll go a step farther: the disconnection is not only a grave danger to indigenous peoples, but to humankind everywhere. I still maintaining there is a shameful war on Christianity right now, but I believe that war is much older and more insidious than European lineage realizes: I propose that Christ came to teach the “other half of the story”, of which connection to the land (nature) is an invaluable and self-evident first half.
Yes! All people share the same mother and father. Christ came to show us the fathers love, not to kidnap us and alienate us from our mother. The Virgin Mary is mother earth personified. She also sacrificed her son just as the plants and animals must die so that we can live, they sacrifice their lives willingly like little mini Jesus' and nourish our body just as He nourishes our soul.
Believe me, I am indigenous from the Pacific Northwest coast Salish people and grew up with my traditions at hand. Though let me say Jesus Christ is risen, he is real in spirit and will be coming soon to save those who believe in the Way, Truth and the Life and that is Jesus Christ. Read revelations for these days ahead, the Bible is the Creators word for us human beings since we are now lost spiritually and we walk on cursed grounds. The Most High is merciful so repent in the heart and ways now unto Our Lord who is true to us to the very end. Do no be deceived I say to you now, it is true that there is an evil, a spiritual war with principalities and law. May our Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Great Creator, walk with you, and pour his spirit into your heart. You must pray and ask for his grace because we are given free will, all truth is in the Bible, the Holy Spirit can reveal to you if you pray and ask. Aho mitakuye oyasin and Amen, amen
This video is not for you. It’s for elevated people who see through the oppression and lies. So keep reading and praying for a man god that you have been lied to about. You dishonor the ancestors with such language by repeating white colonizer vile. You have not true native pride only white culture
Continue to speak the truth my indigenous brothers and sisters. We will eventually reach and open everyone’s minds to truth, reality and acceptance. Not all of them can grasp this yet.
As a christian I will help you any means however possible. Unless you feel I don't deserve to repent and ask you your forgiveness for what my Church has done to you.
@@thetrintarianmessianicyahw589 thank you, I appreciate your offer, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable in your doing so on part of your religious leaders. They are the only ones in high positions to.
Thank you though.
@@thetrintarianmessianicyahw589 If you truly understood who Jesus/God is and the bible, you’d never associate people that do/did evil in the name of christianity with true believers, never apologize on their behalf because those are not God’s people, those are workers of iniquity blaspheming the bible! they’re manipulators just like satan who is their god. We should just stick to our role and hold ourselves and other true believers accountable for the actions we do now because we aren’t perfect but trying to become more christ like.
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Indeed. We will only reach this realization when the world built apon christianity and tribalism falls. As we are currently witnessing.
Infact i hope your peoples way of life flourishes. Our species will need it
"… within the ocean of divine unity, thou wilt view all the Prophets and Messengers of God as one soul and one body, as one light and one spirit, in such wise that the first among them would be last and the last would be first." ~ Baha'u'llah, Baha'i Faith
Not everyone who calls themself a Christian is one. it is people who have corrupted, not God. "Above all things have fervent love for one another for love will cover a multitude of Sins' 1peter4:8. Much respect for indigineous customs and native spirituality. everyone should have the liberty to worship and commune with creator in their own way as to not invade on the freedoms of another. Thank you for making this video and encouraging conversation.
it is sad how ppl have perverted true christian teachings and symbols.
I understand from reading my Bible that God wants RECONCILIATION with his people, all people, his creation- that is why he sent Yeshua to show the way of unbiased love, a sound mind, and VIGILANCE in not only speaking but walking truth. Jesus threw the money exchangers out of the temple because it defiled the sacred site. Yeshua came because the jewish priests became too obsessed with customs than the actual worship and maintaining relationship with Creator. Creator wants to be involved in our lives 'you cannot serve both God and money' Matthew6:24. He wants us to show the love to our peers that he shows us unconditionally by sustaining life. too bad too many monsters are defiling this beautiful earth full of teachings. Jesus and John the Baptist both had no material riches, they traveled the land in humility and sought refuge in the wilderness. He had a connection with the land.
these monsters that claim to be christians are wolves in sheeps clothing speaking lies to progress in their own self seeking ventures- that is the work of Satan- to make man believe he can be God, to sever our connection and relationship.
Language has also jaded these teachings, and constructed cultural blockages. Creating safe space for everyone to share unique perspective is the foundation of respect. how boring life would be if we all homogenous! revival of diverse ppl, foods, and wisdom. peace to you all
What a sad lie. Just the old "No-True-Scotsman" over and over.
To know God is to experience God. Knowing is not an intellectual pursuit. it is experiential. Jesus knew himself as one with God “I & my father are one.” He wanted equals, not worshippers. “And when you find God,, you shall be able to do what I do & even greater things”. He was telling you who we are in truth. We are all one with God. The whole reality is of God. We have separated ourselves to such an extent that we have made the ego King. Hence the reason we need “saving”. In truth we don’t need saving bc we are already one with God & always have been. To live in this realization is to live in truth. When you know you are one. God is here, the mind is free, life is wonderful! what religion do you need? That light informs you far beyond any book. Joy is our nature. The Christ is each one of us in our knowing of ourselves as one with God. That light holds a frequency, a tone. That is why it’s called “the atonement”. God and man are one, that is the highest revelation known to man. That is our true identity. This has always been true. Enough people know this and we can readily create miracles together. Rather than being told what to believe and existing in limitation because a misinterpreted and missing parts book, told us what to believe. No more denial - we are all one and always have been! That is the mystery of the Christ. It is revealed through the light in your heart “kingdom is WITHIN”.
The Bible came from the Middle East which is brown people. Looking at what colonizers did and blaming it on the God of the Bible is wrong. He is the creator of heaven and Earth and he loves all of us. Don't buy the lie
@@topchief777 I agree to an extent with the first half of what your saying about jesus. jesus also said the truth will set you free and he the truth.i I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. you say ego death which im guessing you mean death to sin but how do you "die to yourself" and "die to your ego"? how can you? what truly sets you free from it? dont you already have to know yourself to be set free from it? and how are you even aware that you need to be set free? I agree realising we are one with God is to live in truth but where is it found? within or in relationship with God? you say once you realise this you live in truth. bible teachers God created us in his image and even before he created us he knew our sin but through his grace he guildes our paths and knocks on our hearts. God is with but not within us. we recieve him by acknowledging our "sin", "ego" (repentance) and acknowledge we need him to save us from it because only he can. we are born imperfect and without knowing him we are subject to punishment and its only right because we would have lived a life of self when we are born to serve him and eachother. When he accept him he comes into us through his holy spirit and we become renewed. we find the "light within us" because God is light. and its only through him and his holy spirit that guides us that we can find our purpose and calling on this earth and become one with him by personal relationship through his word and by talking to him through prayer. Only then can we know what true joy is as its a gift given to us by our creator and only then can we know the love he has for us by giving his beloved son to die for our sins and "saving" us from them. Thats why we need him and not religion. What light is guiding you? Remember devil comes as an angel of light. he deceives if you believe in it. maybe your truth sounds more beautiful but my truth is real because its written in his words. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." how is the word God? because he speaks to us through it :)
As someone who was part of both beliefs,I was indigenous in belief. Until I realize that, that religious group was mixing up two separate beliefs of Christianity. One being Catholicism and another being the Christianity that Jesus Christ taught. These are to totally different things.Christ said thou shat Make no Graven image. Catholicism is full of them they Worship saints, angels, Mary, and the Pope as well as others. They can be exsolved of sins a variety of ways, and there is more than one mediator between God and an individual. So that being said, Jesus is the only one who has the ability to forgive sins, and the in only way to heaven. To protect God given rights you needs a safe haven on earth, since no religion truly has except the fact that God gives us a choice to serve him or not to. The Indigenous people automatically blame Christianity for taking land after Wars when they are guilty of the same exact thing. The even took slaves from other tribes after defeating one.
Etymology of "Colonization" >> derived from the Late Latin word colere (honor, cherish, worship; live in, inhabit; till).
Etymology of "Colon" >> derived from the Greek word kolon, κῶλον (great gut; a limb of the body (as if lopped)).
Etymology of black?
Hamza Scott your full of it. No one wants your death cult false god.
Latin means European
Thank You for this Very Educational Video!! I agree fully!!! ALL Religion should be evaluated for Love & Light! On Mother Earth, it has been a burden, not Love, this topic leads right down to Our Youth and All Children of the Sun & Babies, all of the victims, over the lifetimes!!! A'ho
We ALL came from the hand of God through Adam and Eve. We are ALL "indigenous" to the earth. Land does not belong to one group over another it belongs to EVERYONE. "Indigenous" is a misnomer.
Nations, on-the-other-hand is a human creation. Nations have been fought for and won and lost to groups and individuals because of the fallen human condition. Had Europeans not come to the Americas, Western tribes on this continent would still be waring with each other and still living in tee pees. Now they benefit from white man's progress, which they enjoy.
The earth itself is not a living creature, but rather a part of creation that came from the hand of God as well. We are to "dress and keep it" as God instructed us to in the beginning, because this (whole planet) is our home and we should treat it with respect, not because it and is "alive", but because it ("...and all that in them is...") is a blessing from God.
Christ came, lived and died for ALL people that they might behold the Father as He truly is and not as Satan has made Him out to be. Aspects of "Christianity" are flawed and some "christians" have even bought into Satan's misrepresentation of God, because they do not know Him as He is. Men ought not look to other men as their example, but ONLY to Jesus Christ, for He alone is the perfect example of how we are to live and to treat our brothers and sisters, no matter what continent or island they live.
Christianity is a faith as described by Lord Jesus Christ...but the people or ' missionaries ' are not Christianity, they are people that are aware of some (assuming if not Catholic because that is actual a cult of Christianity no offense) aspects or truth of The Gospel & bringing their cultural understanding & or biases to other people.
Sadly, as I listen to the man and woman share their understanding of 'Christianity' it's clear they are describing a *fact* of real attitudes & experiences by Westerners...but it's not Christianity no more then Republicanisn *Is* Christianity.
I really appreciate this share.
May God bless both sharers 🌹
The True teachings of Christ and his Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church teaches what the native Americans have been teaching for eons.
When we put God in his proper place his love pours down to all areas of life including the love and preservation of the land.
One must examine the philosophies and true teachings of Christ to understand this.
Very interesting! I wasn't made aware of any of this history in my young years and only recently am I getting more enlightened because it is in the news and on social media daily. We have to keep in mind that not all Christians or other cultures/faiths support what happened to the Indigenous people. There are hellions in every group and some more than others. I have enjoyed what I learned and also now feel more connection to nature realizing something was missing from myself spiritually in my past. Interesting too that people have been searching for the healing remedies that nature provides and the Indigenous know about and with this, it would be a blessing if the Indigenous took back farming so it will be natural and healthy! For whatever reason, there is a time for everything, and this was the time for me to become aware. Miigwetch!
You sound like a Christian apologist when you say not all christians support what happened. If you support the system you support the subjugation.
This man is WISE!
In view of the climate crisis and the growing effects on the land and all life upon it there seems to be a crucial question to ask....How can a better understanding be brought to the larger public that has grown up in the culture of entitlement/dominion over the Earth of the need to shift into a desire for sacred relationship to it and for the land upon which we regionally call home? Are there successful native/indigenous "bridge builders" out there that are finding successful ways of reaching and teaching the Judeo Christian population these ways?
Wow...tears in my eyes...
Blessing from Nepal, Land of Himalays and Birth Place of Gautama Buddha And The Land of temples n Shamans.
Its not for Nothing that Gandhi said he loves Christ but NOT the Christians and def. NOT any Pope, Prists etc.. I follow Christ only not any Church, Pope or Dogma, the biggest Commandment of his is to Love ur Neigbour as urself and to NOT do to others as u would NOT wanna be done to urself. Which is very Native Value. I am so sorry for everything which was done to all Indigenous Communities and Nature by these Power Hungry Criminals. Please do NOT let anyone lie to you. It says God will destroy those who corrupt the Earth! Much of Christs Teachings was falsified also. I am sure you be saved and are very valuable to Christ and to the Maker of ALL LIFE, the Great Free Spirit. Do NOT let anyone here bully you into Teachings of Hell etc...! Peace be unto you and may God destroy all those who destroy Earth. Amen.
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So well said, but painful. Even though I did not grow up indigenous, and that part of our heritage was quashed, I felt the crushing oppression of fundamental christianity, and the continued damage it inflicted. I like James Baldwin's idea, in regard to the black person in the US, that the white man has also imprisoned themselves in a prison they cannot see because of the inability or unwillingness to see the "other" as the same, as human. I see the invisible prison my family has constructed around itself, based on religion, and the incredibly narrow experience of life they have had as a result. And completely cut off from connection and life source of nature!
Well said Vic J.
Christianity is not the same everywhere ; what i call "true christianity" is very near indian way of life, it's a love philosophy and faith.
@Paul Duffy christianity is not catholic, evangelist, protestant, etc. Don't judge a whole spirituality without knowing it. Stay in love. :) if not, you will become like them.
@Paul Duffy christ was an enlighted master but humans have transforme the initial teaching
@Paul Duffy It's your problem... =) Personally, i choose love.
native religions never force converted.Even the Romans and vikings have never did this.Native dont preach follow this god or go to hell.Also we got right winger dogma people enforcing pollution laws and ushering in that racist false phrophet of theirs.
@@jasonjammin8697 But it's exactly what you are doing by judging faith of others people who have not do anything to you. I'm not christian... but i respect faith of everybody.
New subscribers here from New Zealand. Blessings to all.
I feel for as these people, me being Native American, Mexican, White. It's truth, people misinterpret God/use God to their advantage long ago and now. As a Christian I'm still learning, I still know that is not the 1 true God. That's the devils work he smart but doesn't overpower. As well as bible doesn't focus on the relationship with earth, it does mention Job 1:7,8, But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you. or let the fish in the sea inform you. Romans 12:16 NLT “Live in harmony with each other. Don't be too proud to enjoy the company of ordinary people. And don't think you know it all! Bible is truly a love letter to me, it teaches me respect towards myself, others, God, nature, and with that correlates respect with all of that, it connects.
Culture lives in someone's soul and really can't be removed - it can be stifled - but not removed. It's a nasty thing to take this away from anyone. After learning about treaties and Indian Act having loose ends, no proper and truthful closure, I am carrying thoughts that we are living on Indigenous land - not the reverse. What came after is possibly a system built on null and void agreements to gain power and control. Seems that way......??
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I started drinking when I was 16. I would drink at parties, but I also started drinking alone because I was unhappy, and I was in a lot of emotional pain all the time. My mom was very aggressive when I was younger, and my brother hated her and so did I. He started hanging out with shady people, he started failing all his classes, he was never home, and my parents fought all the time. I also ran away several times. I was always trying to figure out a reason as to why I was here or what the purpose of life was. So, I started looking at different philosophies, religions, and beliefs. When I was 18 after I was hungover, I got on my knees and I prayed for the first time. I asked if God was real that he would show me he was real because I couldn’t take it anymore. I was crying when I prayed for this. At that moment I felt a presence come over me like a wind. It was barely noticeable, but it was unlike anything in my life I had experienced up until that point. I was surprised when I felt it and I remember saying “what was that?” after that experience I pretty much forgot what happened and kept partying, until my senior year when I got arrested. After my arrest, my parents lost all their trust in me and I was expelled from high school. I was told never to come back. At that time, I felt afraid and hopeless. That’s when I started looking for God, and I prayed that he would reveal himself in my life and that he would give me signs. My prayers began getting answered so consistently that I couldn’t deny that God was doing something. It was mysterious and compelling. I ended up in Church and started reading the bible hours a day. I stopped hanging out with all my other friends because they were continually getting arrested. I was able to forgive my family and myself and to ask to be forgiven. I noticed how at Church people were judgmental and how they formed cliques but were afraid to be around anyone else different from them. It increased my faith because I realized Jesus was not like that and ever since I was young, I saw people as people regardless of who they were. After a while, it’s like I could see God's presence was in my life and then it felt like he wasn’t, and then he was, and then he wasn’t. One day I woke up and felt more depressed than I ever have in my entire life. I felt like I was dying on the inside. That night I prayed, and I said, God, I don’t see my life five years from now I'm going to die Jesus save me Lord, please save me. I was weeping when I said it and when I asked him to save me, I felt a presence inside of me like a heartbeat, and I felt it once like a pulse, and I said Lord please save me and I felt it again even stronger. It was like radiance. When I woke up the next morning, I had transformed everything felt brand new like I was a kid again. All my fears and all my racing thoughts everything was gone. I looked at my hands, and I said this can’t be real it’s impossible. When I looked at myself in the mirror, I saw a different person. I started praying, and the holy spirit became entirely real to me it was washing over me and inside of me. It was total love and peace, and I heard a voice but not an audible one, it was an inner voice. It said I am with you; I love you, I will never leave you, it’s done it’s finished. That was May 3rd, 2009, and ever since then I’ve followed God, I have seen many things change and many things I know wouldn’t have changed without faith and belief. I know what it’s like to be lost to feel you have no hope. Don’t ever think you’re stuck, or life can’t change because it can. My mom is a Christian now, Its night and day. Some of the things that went away during that period were severe anxiety and my addiction to alcohol. I’ve seen and experienced so many things that are miraculous and seen how God has worked in my life. When we ask God to forgive us for what we’ve done and turn away from our sins and wrongdoings and we believe in Christ's sacrifice everything changes. His word says if we confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord and believe in our hearts that he died and rose again we will have eternal life but not just life after death but abundant life in the present. Our sins are erased not only past, present, and future but our burdens and fears are lifted also. Our thoughts, our minds, our hearts, our souls are transformed and united with God and we know his spirit lives in us. If you seek, pray, and knock you will know JESUS IS KING!!! HE LIVES!
Amen
@Jade Marie I won't apologize for how I share the good news. I won't shrink back to not offend others. Everything I said at the end is reinforced by my testimony. If a person seeks God they will know Jesus is king and he lives. I'm guessing you're one of those people cause I can't see a Christian not being in agreement with what I'm saying. God has the ability to save and change lives I'm not going to tiptoe cautiously with what I say. I've been sharing for the past 11 months with people who were at the end of their rope. Many of them have told me it's changed their life, given them hope, or made them want to seek out God. Some have told me they came to Christ. I haven't heard a single complaint until now. Do you think Jesus or his apostles said they didn't want to push Christ on anyone? They pushed far harder than I have with that "last part"
@Jade Marie Jesus is King HE LIVES. I AM ALSO ALIVE BECAUSE OF HIM. You miss the entire point. I'm not concerned with how others "feel" I'm concerned with sharing the gospel and what Jesus has done. Not one person has looked at what I've written and thought wow... that's offensive. Anyone who has held a different belief has just said wow I respect that.
@Jade Marie Good BECAUSE IM NOT JESUS IS KING. I'm not concerned with it. The only time I have been is right now. People are going to be offended if you're a Christian they're going to be offended if you share Christ. That's just what happens. I'm not concerned with man's opinion I'm concerned with God's. Let God judge me for sharing what I know I should, and he can sort out the others. Look at why Christ rebuked Peter. I dont need your advice.
@@GhostMonkey772 Maybe not apologize, but wouldn't you want to know what is effective, it is really that important to you?
Some from the indian nation have become Bahai's ,UNITY IN DIVERSITY , here we come.
'Let your ambition be the achievement on earth of a heavenly civilisation ' [Bahai teaching]
this is a beautiful film. Thank you for this offering
Very thought provoking on how Christianity, as a movement from a sociological point of view, has acted in the past 400 years. The theology has been influenced by colonisation, enlightenment, industrialisation. BUT, A huge amount of teachings from the Bible talk about connection to the land (promised land!), community of creatures praising God (Ps148), to preach the good news to every creature (Mk 16:15), that Creation is very good (Gn 1), that environmental degredation is wrong (Jr 12:4), and so on. egliseverte-greenchurch.ca/green/component/content/article/292
Thank you, indigenous peoples, to help us find what was lost in our own religious tradition.
Fuck christianity
Églises Vertes
Lol... you totally missed the point of this video. Which is proof how effective the deep psychology of Christianity and its manifestation of Divine Victim/ perpetrator akin to Stockholm syndrome runs in the psyche of a disrupted and damaged culture.
The views you refer to within the Christian religion & scripture are not like the spiritual views of native peoples. I cannot speak for all natives but only as someone brought up with native spiritual views as well as with Christian views, as my parents & older relatives were divided on religious lines. With native peoples, all life is considered sacred, & that means everything that is a part of the earth & the universe: there is no division between inanimate & animate in traditional native thought. The land itself is alive & we relate to the land as a life form. It is not a possession. The sacred lives within all we perceive--within the land itself, within plants, within the rain, as within humans & all other animals. We traditionally have recognized no gods in the western or Christian sense of the term, and that has been a major problem for native peoples since Europeans first arrived. No native spirituality claims to be the only true spirituality. No traditional native spirituality includes the concept of conversion such as Christianity does. Indeed, the belief in conversion has made Christianity the ideal religion for conquest & colonization & genocide of other peoples. Any religion that claims to be the only true religion, that claims their god to be the only true God, that requires that all non-believers be converted--as both Christianity & Islam do--is from its very foundation bound to oppress other peoples. These Christian claims remind me of the school bully who uses coercion (physical and/or psychological) to force others to obey.
Jane Garner
Well said and simply the facts....
Patriarchy is an off planet Alien mindset that seeks to eliminate and destroy the Divine Feminine truths found in most every indigenous culture. Matriarchal truths vs Patriarchal lies.
Christianity is a VooDoo spell that blinds the believer and is consecrated through the ritual of Drinking a Dead mans blood and eating a dead mans body... this dead man is supposedly the divine representation of all humanity ... a dead man hanging on a cross ... actually represents the death of humanity as the Abrahamic religions has succeeded in separating the Anthropos (human animals) from Nature.... our divine source of all life. Mother Nature....Sophia the Wisdom Goddess...
The Abrahamic religions are EVIL all the way down to their core teachings.
@@freebird9646 Thanks for adding your thoughts. I seldom get positive responses when I express my views re: Christianity & how it has had a big part in the genocide of native peoples. Beats me how anyone could argue against this, if they know even the most basic history of the U.S., but of course basic history seldom includes Indians except as (at best) defeated by the colonists & the US government & military. We're still largely invisible, & the genocide continues, with attempted conversion to Christianity playing a huge role into the 21st c. Not only in the US but throughout the Americas.
I'm not sure if I understood some of your references to matriarchy, at least in re: to native peoples. No known native people was matriarchal. Of known Indian peoples of N. Am. (including Mexico & Central Am.), the vast majority were not patriarchal (prior to Eur. colonization). This doesn't mean they were matriarchal. Among some peoples, there might have been a slight edge of leadership that favored women, as among the Cherokees, but women were never in power anywhere close to what might be defined as a matriarchy. Among most peoples, men & women shared decision making & neither dominated the other in social & family structures.
Among the minority of Indian peoples who've been defined as patriarchal, none were patriarchal in the sense of patriarchal societies of the 'old world.'
In viewing native peoples of pre-Columbian times, it should be remembered that among all known native peoples the vast majority recognized 3-6 sexes/genders. None viewed sex-gender as western society has for centuries--that is, no known native people recognized two opposite sexes, the two sexes believed to be biologically determined. In fact, most of the western beliefs re: sex/gender were totally alien to native peoples. Native peoples evolved & developed independently of 'old world' views & ways for many millennia, to the extent that native concepts & social structures cannot be described adequately in European languages, as the same concepts do not exist in these languages. The accepted ways of translating native languages is still very colonialist, with most such translations amounting to forcing native terms & concepts to fit into western molds, which is a form of cultural genocide.
Thanks for your support on a very unpopular issue.. it's reassuring to know there are others out there!
I'm a Christian.
I fully believe in Creator God and Jesus Christ our King and Savior, and The Holy Spirit of God that leads us into all truth.
The Holy Bible kjv. Has most of The Words of our Creator.
Don't let people distract you from knowing God.
The bible says people are fallible and God is infallible.
I'm imperfect. Jesus is perfect.
Don't let me stop you from Him.
The 1611 Bible has ALL of God's words in it.
This is truthfully beautiful and wow, how can we get to this place of true christianity!!? Our soul and hearts are broken until we do
amateur tip: speak into a mic or add subtitles when asking the interviewee a question (ex. 3:40)
YES! This conversation needs to go on... some of the people are now willing/able to stand back and LOOK and SEE the control and power that the religions cast over the people that DO NOT DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH>>>> that seek only as far as what their local pastor is preaching. Those who DO NOT EVEN know who penned their bible and what the agenda is and was for those that accept and follow in blind faith. We ALL need to continually be seeking the TRUTH, and that TRUTH is not found in material books, but rather in the HEART of men and our everlasting Souls. Excellent video... thank you.
+Joni Hankin
A lot of historical issues need to be thrashed out, for sure, but conversation itself won't arrive at THE TRUTH. Jesus Christ said, 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.' This statement allows for two possible responses: acceptance or rejection. So it is with Truth.
But 'God is love'. Those Europeans who did not know God in a personal way, or who by reason of their own ungoverned passions and lusts represented Him poorly, and so abused indigenous people, will be dealt with appropriately by a loving and therefore also a just God. Meanwhile, victimhood per se does not confer moral superiority either, even if it does invite sympathy, and God's judgment upon oppressors.
You must seek Truth within you. If you chose to decide that you must find the Creator/Father through the son, then that is your route and current understanding. The Creator is accessible to ALL by ALL, as we are all "sons" and "daughters" of the Most High, Infinite Creator. If your God/Father has many criteria for you, and upon failing the criteria, you are sent away to everlasting separation, then that is the "loving" Divinity that you have chosen to follow. The Most High Creator is far beyond the jealousies, the wars, the condemnations of this earthly walk for we are ALL on a journey to understanding who we are, and this lifetime is just one chapter. It's not a flesh and blood thing, however, if you find peace in that realm, then go in peace. We can all talk about it on the other side. Blessings to you.
Joni Hankin
I appreciate your attempt at well-wishing, and do not doubt your sincerity. However,
the way you talk, you must know more about God than Jesus Himself. Did you survive forty days' fasting in the desert, so fully dedicate yourself to teaching the people that you had to carve out time alone in the wee hours of the morning, heal the sick miraculously, turn water into wine when supplies ran short at a wedding celebration, walk on water, fulfil prophecy, give your life for the sins of the world, rise from the dead, ascend to heaven, and send the Holy Spirit? Were you there, as He was, at the Creation? Are you planning to ring down the curtain on history in the not-so-distant future? If not you, name one other person (or god) who has walked the earth who is so well qualified as Jesus is, to
save us from our sins, from our alienation from God and our mutual alienation, and to speak the truth with authority? He called Himself the Way, the Truth, and the Life, but in essence by you are calling Him a liar. If so, what are your grounds for doing so, other than the fact that His doctrine is not to your liking?
Call me cynical if you wish, but I do not believe that we are on a journey of understanding. No amount of technological progress can wipe out the inconstancy and viciousness and self-delusion which are characteristic of unredeemed humanity. We must hear some bad news before we can appreciate the Good News. (Romans 1: 20-22) 'For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divne nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they [mankind]
are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools......'. That is the Biblical verdict on human culture and religion, in whatever corner of the globe.
You are basing all of your faith on a document constructed for you by the government that continues to control your mind. The condemnations are meant to keep you in your place and never understand your true power. Even Jesus said we could/would do things greater than He. A few twisting of words and you have entire generations believing in an external savior coming to do the job we are supposed to be doing. We are 'Sons of God'...not decrepit sinners, it's just that religion keeps pounding it in that we are dogs, and so, act like dogs. Rise up, and be who Jesus said you could be.
Joni Hankin
The last statement sounds good on the surface, but where is it coming from, from what spirit? Do you yourself call Jesus Lord? That is the acid test of whether you are telling the truth or not, because the works of Christ are there for all the world to see, and they prove Who He is. (1st John 2:22-23) 'Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.'
To what government are you referring? The state authority where I live is increasingly anti-Christian, even though freedom of worship still exists. So your theory flies in the face of facts.
It is a distortion of Christian teaching to say that human beings are mere animals, so I don't believe that, either. That is closer to the way that atheistic evolutionists think. We are created 'in the image of God', but are natural-born enemies of God because of sin. Christ died that we might be redeemed
and adopted again as sons of God. But we reap the benefits only by trusting Him. If there is another way to God besides Christ, then He died in vain; or, if He did not die for our sins and rise again, then our sins remain on the books forever, without any chance of forgiveness.
From the tower of babel people went different direction. God had a plan of why he did that. Trust in God the Creator. I'm Navajo and I often encounter a lot of questions and hear difficult things happening around the world. To my little faith of a mustard seed, the Gospel is our only Hope. Our Traditions of man has kept us bound. When Christ was on earth it took a sharp turn in history. Jesus was sentenced to death because he said he is the King of Jews. They thought he was talking about an earthly king. He came unto his own and his own receive him not. John 1:11-14. Also Mark 7:1-23. God's word. John 7:1-53. Jesus said in verse John 7:16" Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me". Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but fulfill. Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, that whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the Council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5: 57- 59. Thank you everyone! Personally I need God every single second of my life. God is true love. Just think about this. The air we breathe can dissipate into space, but God has provided all our needs. There has to be justice. Be your brothers keeper. God is waiting for you to receive him into your lives. Christ die in vain. Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. In verse 32 I come not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. So be it! Thank you God for everything!
I meant Jesus did not die in vain.
So god separated us cause he has a plan?..sounds like Satan in disguise as god beause He’s the only one that I know that creates separation
@@tooshort531 red pill? bye
lucifer sound like oden bratt child loki. You say god is capable of all things? Yet lucifer was allow to run around and decieve people even to this day.That makes no since.
Couldn’t read cuz I’m running words the toilet
If you ever want to read an excellent book that explains this really well I highly recommend the book called "Blackfoot Ways of Knowing" by Blackfoot Elder Betty Bastien.
Wow. Excellent teaching.
Forgive me if I say something wrong brothers and sisters:
A sensitive topic like this can not be summarized into one video or one comment like this. The *acts* _committed against_ the Native Americans *were* wrong and I am pretty sure we can all agree on that. As many others below have stated the actions of our ancestors shouldn't superimposed on the descendants (us) and our beliefs. I am not going to say who is right and who is wrong, let God do that. Although, I will say this, if we are all of Good Spirit then let us forgive each other and our ancestors and rebuild our relationship together. Many were hurt physically, emotionally, and more back in those days. May God forgive us and our ancestors for our transgressions. We sinned against our Native American brothers and sisters. It is said in the Old Testament of The Holy Bible that “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.” - Leviticus 19:18. Our neighbors in this situation were the Natives. They were *NOT* savages or a lesser people. They are human and deserve to be loved just as much as we love each other. God would have wanted us to be kind and loving towards them, though they are different we are still all children of God. We were brought forth from the Earth and we must also care for it. In the book of Genesis one of the main reasons humans were created was to be reflections of God's character out into the world (to love our neighbours, enemies, friends, family, and overall reflect the Goodness of God), to be representatives of God's rule over the Earth. To be representatives of God's rule over the Earth means to *HARNESS* all of creations *POTENTIAL,* to *CARE* for it, and to make it a place where even *more* _LIFE_ can *FLOURISH!*
As you know humans were given free choice over our decisions, free-will! Although, sadly it appears that our colonial ancestors were led astray and made a lot of bad decisions. So, please Indigenous peoples of the Americas, forgive us for we have sinned against you and your people! Let God be a witness of this, and let His will be *done.*
If you were to speak about native Europeans being replaced in Europe you would be arrested and labeled as a hate preacher.. if a native European refuses to give up their faith and accept Islam or Athiest they're cancelled, put in jail, labeled as a evil person and fired from their job to where they can't get a job... So whats the difference?
So are Muslims conolizers as well? Islam came from the same region as Christianity
@@bryanbradley6871 why are trolling every single positive comment on here? Your hatred is stopped now, you will do no more harm to people.
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I don't blame modern day Spaniards for what the Spanish colonizers and missionaries did to my country, the Philippines but that doesn't mean that I'll forget what happened. It's the responsibility of the new generation to remember the past and learn from it's mistakes and make the future a better place.
i found my way out of christianity 🚷💯
Good, seemingly the only rational person in the comments section as of yet.
@@FactStorm strange comment
@@vicj2141 What's strange is for 21st century people to believe in talking snakes, miracles and resurrections.
@@FactStorm It's more following a religion that encourages you to hate yourself and encouraged genocide, blind faith and slavery that baffles me. A fear based system
@@vicj2141 You are yet to elaborate on how my comment is strange. Perhaps my grammar was off, I just typed it quickly..but other than that, what points did I make that were strange?
Great video!
and i had this hard time with my life because i have a black cousin and a white cousin who are both atheist while i am a hard core christian and while i am one of native descent.. and i am trying to uncover did jesus actually exist in any other culture other than the white culture before colinization..
Keep thinking---the answers will come and set you free of religion telling you what to think.
As being a part of a Native American tribe here in South Dakota.. my grandmother being full native on my mother's side, I can say that even though I don't know what that was fully like since I was born in 1987.. I can say that it of course is painful to think about the history of our people being murdered and forced from their ways with nothing but hate and selfishness. Today, I am a proud Christian. And I just hope you can find it in your heart to search for the TRUTH found in Jesus Christ, and the Holy scripture of the Bible. Christians didn't call themselves Christians in the beginning, but other people SEEN the way they were living like Jesus, and gave them the name. I love that. So many call themselves Christians today, and have for a long time but they aren't reading their Bibles, they don't have a relationship with God, they don't live with LOVE being a main quest, and they certainly aren't living by what God himself came down to Earth to model for us. I am very sorry that EVIL came in the Holy name of our Lord and twisted it into something it's not in your minds. Please know that those were not Christians. Jesus would of NEVER done that. Ever! This world is ran by Satan and he is the biggest deceiver of them all, coming only to seek, kill, and destroy. We don't realize we are being deceived usually because... Well.. deception is called deception for a reason, because it's DECEIVING! It breaks my heart that so many are turned from the true word of God because of the endless hypocrisy, selfishness, hate, and greed of humans that claim they come in the name of Jesus! I feel like this is why they used his name for so much destruction, is to make everyone hate it! Look around, everything in this world is ran on behalf of Satanism! Everything is meant to be blasphemous to God/Jesus, for they only want his name to be known as a swear word! They condition us to think anyone who believes in the Bible is a judgemental hypocrite. I pray people stop letting the evil ways of men come between who Jesus REALLY is. Look for yourself and pray asking for him to come into your heart and fill you with the Holy Spirit! Seek and you WILL find. Along with answers to the questions you think you already know.. such as the assumption that what we do in this life doesn't matter, because it's all about the one to come.. that is extremely NOT true! If the world were full of TRUE Christians, it would be a polar opposite of what it is now! Like Heaven on Earth! And while we don't praise creation, and instead praise the CREATOR of creation, that in no way means that we have full ground to destroy what God has so graciously given us. I love you, and I hope you find peace. I pray you find connection to the Creator of all, and find truth to see through the lies. You are fully known and loved by God, and he is all righteous. God bless you all!!
Jennifer Hiles yikes
Thankfully the Episcopal church has renounced the doctrine of discovery and has asked the British Crown to renounce the doctrine as well.
+Curtis Maurand
Unfortunately many mainline churches today seem stuck between a rock and a hard place, between adherence to ridiculous unscriptural traditions and feeble appeasement in a spirit of political correctness, when all they needed all along was to look to the Cornerstone. I do not believe that there is any false human doctrine or false religious practice which cannot be dissected and put to shame by application of God's Word and its principles. That certainly applies to trendy neo-paganism outside the church as well. Now let us beware hookups between 'liberationist' Christianity and neo-paganism,
leading to an increase in the number of recommended gods.
Given that the Pope apologized to indigenous peoples everywhere about the way the Catholic Church treated them, I would argue that the Catholic Church may be getting ready to end the Doctrine of Discovery. That's a good thing. You won't find me being that wary of neo-paganism. Neo-paganism tends to pick up where Christianity leaves off. Many Christians have forgotten what it is to be spiritual and sensitive to the matters of spirit.
Curtis Maurand
It would have been more apropos (and more spiritually sensitive) if Catholic 'authorities' had squeaked to the police about abuse cases long ago, but they protected their own rapists and pedophiles very well, shuffling them about. There should have been thousands of defrockings, civil imprisonments, and (by rights, if not necessarily in practice) executions. What use is an apology now,
beyond soothing some nerves? Apology and repentance, or apology and restitution, are not identical.
The 'doctrine of discovery' sounds typical of opportunistically devised perversions of the Romish persuasion (indulgences, in Luther's day, were another case in point). Catholicism is too rotten a system to be redeemed, granted that there have been sincere followers of Christ within its bosom, who perhaps cannot be blamed if they never knew anything but Catholicism. (To your point about the seven billion, we cannot be condemned for what we do not know, but for what we do know or sense, and do not do.) But on the basis of various statements this friar Bergoglio is a heretic, albeit very skilled in public relations.
Salute to A Ward and Homeschool
I do believe this video makes important points, but the etymology argument at 7:25 is specious at best. The words "colony" and colonize come from Latin words that have to do with farming and cultivation, whereas the word "colon" comes from Greek word that means "large intestine."
The problem is not Christianity but the use, even the politicalization, of Christianity. Arrogance dismisses that we all, regardless of cultural history, start out the same: separated from God and spending our lives trying to fill that gap.
Terrible mindset
The sentiments of Indigenous Peoples shared here, are based on their experience with Christians as they have presented themselves to them. Christianity must be judged on its impacts, crimes, wrongs, past and present that represent its common practice......How it has truly occupied the world.......Christianity is as Christianity does.......It has not manifested as its ideological ideal.
Have you read Karen Armstrong's The Great Transformation? Hopefully I will get it read this year. It is about the time period in which Christianity arose, and the original moral agenda, not what it has become.
@@vicj2141 I am a Philosophical Taoist my friend. I have no belief in or any need for, organized religion.
Really? So do Muslims need to? We're coming from the old world right now with our religion?
@@SenshiFX 🤣 good as a Muslim I know not to trust you.
Christianity is a middle eastern religion just so you know, it's not what you think as European. Christianity did the same thing to Europe so does the church need to face their actions?
Excellent commentary❤
Thanks so much dear indegeneous people from I, who is one of the people on our planet, who - during our entire lives, have been attempted forced to believe in the Western forced religions, which - in my mind - have absolut nothing in common with real Christianity.
I condemn the Western colonialism which my people want to continue - clearly no matter the cost of all their own people.
This horrible Western colonialism has to stop - sooner rather than later as it's clearly about Religious power over everyone, at all times and, everywhere.
Many of us do not want to be part of this evil, as evil is what it is and, nothing else!
Many Thanks for your honesty & courage to speak up in concert with indigenous Native spiritual traditions.
As you may know, many Natives continue with the colonial religious forced upon earlier generations like that, however, many younger Natives are resisting and now seeking relevance in Native spiritual ways.
A'ho
@@j.c.eaglesmith4259 Thanks for letting me know and, I congratulate the young people in following their own hearts instead of religion..
I have followed the young generation in Ireland during the past 20 years and, I've seen a lot of them leaving the Catholic religion in disgust......the revelation and arrests of some of the worst pedophile priests here was just too much for the young generation and, they want nothing to do with it .....
Extremism is bad, no matter where it comes from.... I, for my part, hope to get to learn more about the indigenous ways/knowledge..
Thanks again and, enjoy your day!!
@@Jetmab04
Many Thanks
Nothing, and No one can pluck you from the Hands of God once you are Saved.
Zu can you say more about why you feel this way? Hate and anger come from a persons heart. If you express that then you have it within you. You have the highest dignity of free will which could not have been given to you by any other means rather then freely. By your reaction and expression of free will you have proved that you do not have the capacity to live up to your own full potential. Even people who don’t like religion know that they have fallacies within them and they fall short because they are human. Christians believe that God has the right and authority to judge people perfectly because he is objective morality and goodness and perfectness. If he is to judge us all perfectly then he must have a place form people to go when they do not what to love him freely but the point is that you freely chose and you have that dignity. Even still you are loved enough to be given the option to chose and you cannot chose with your heart if the conditions of your heart are not good then you will not make a good decision. Christians are taught to have authority over their emotions because that’s actually what we have. We can chose and control how we address the conditions of our hearts. Christians believe that God is the God of all humankind and he DOES care about your heart and anxiety and relationships because He is essentially good by His nature. You don’t know Him clearly so how could we believe you when you speak against something good and out of your heart comes hate and anger or misunderstanding of essential goodness?
@@deannaalvarez6025 what good for who , my people are mix through rape is that God, sounds like God and The Devil are one.
The whole meaning of Christianity is to restore the nations and it people to the one true god. It is only people in power that mess it up by making these statements. God wants everyone not just one culture . I am a Christian myself and we view that all peoples are equal to each other. Keep your connection with the land. Life would not be life if we did not have connections with our family and the land around us.
There is no one true God, only the one you were raised to believe in based in your geographical location and cultural standards. In other words, it is all subjective.
Jeremy Wright well in Christianity we believe in a lot of spiritual beens Christianity call them and Theo’s in Judaism there called the Elohim. Which Theo’s was a Greek pronunciation of beens We believe that Yahweh God of our three monotheistic religions created angels, cherubim and Seraphim and then us and probably more we don’t know about but a lot of them rebelled against him and claimed themselves as gods and other went off and did other things. But in order for this universe to exist there has to be one true god who just simply exist. Dose not rely on anyone or anything he just exist.
How good it feels to hear other people talking straight up to my heart.
Western Christianity has much blood on its hands.
I recommend watching 'Insporiing Philosophy"'s youtube channel and playlists.
The lady at 3:00 shows the fundamental issue with going back to pagan roots. She says it’s about the Hawaiian people. It’s literally tribalism at its core, which is what Christianity is supposed to transcend. Anyone of any race, skin color, ethnicity, or creed can become a Christian. Hawaiian paganism is for the Hawaiian people, and them alone.
Christian soceties were not egaliterian either m.ruclips.net/video/jZ1ZGS60T6A/видео.html
And not all paganism is like that either m.ruclips.net/video/4HnS_LMhuKk/видео.html
Finn Wraith, Christianity itself is fundamentally for anyone who accepts life, death, and resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. It is Western European culture and Greco-Roman ideals that gave us colonialism. I know you don’t know what you’re talking about, because Egypt was the first Roman province to fully convert to Christianity. The Christian message reached as far into Africa as Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa before the birth of Islam. There were Nubian Christian kingdoms who were involved in the first crusade for Jerusalem. ‘There is no Greek nor Jew, male or female, free or in bond.’ That’s the true nature of the Christian faith.
Finn Wraith, are you seriously trying to use the extreme racial tribalism of the founding fathers as evidence for Christianity being inherently Eurocentric? Unfortunately, it’s a human issue that goes both ways, that no one, or at most, very few, is willing to abandon their racial and ethnic tribalism and truly see everyone as a sacred creation of God. It’s quite sad.
@@staarrliner4993 What would Christianity be without it spreading to Europe.
Ask your self the question would you even be a Christian if European had not turned (or been forced) to become Christians
The Pope doesn't represent Jesus.
Amen To That.
Jesus is from another continent/another people's history
@@bubasingh4680 Acts 17 (KJV)
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
1 Timothy 4 (KJV)
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Ephesians 3 (KJV)
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
@@crutherfordmusic you go on and keep believing that . .
@@bubasingh4680 I will :)
Worship the creator not the creation. God is spirit worship Him in spirit. Alleilua
When one looks at the demonstrated actions and long term history of monotheistic religions (not just Christianity) and then again to the examples of the demonstrated acts behind some of most epic global long term conflicts that where the "seed" of said conflict came to be Justified in the name of ones God ? (our past leaderships own manifest destiny issues as an powerful example of this) , it creates some serious internal cognitive dissidence challenges as to the roots of the underlying power and control and accountably structures involved. I will remark that I do see efforts to address and reconcile this "but" they are largely "external" in nature and that's where the concern lies , The question becomes one of the two perception structures and this differs among the worlds native peoples as well (The lens one sees through in regards to ones core cultural identity and world view. The "Creator" seen as a god or gods., or the "Creation" (seen as a grand balancing force) the "definition" of the "expression place" behind the world "Creator" changes depending upon rather its spoken from a Religious perception of reality or from a "spiritual one" when one reflects upon the roots of ones own source code and then shares ones concerns, perspectives can evolve and change, Questioning the Patriarchal verses Matriarchal structures also in regards to the vital ability for women who see things from a very different perspective then men and they ability to Voice there feelings in issues in the collective leadership circles as to importance of the examples of the role of the clan mothers and why they are there in the first place..
The non-monotheistic religious have done damage, too. It is the certainty of being "right" that turns humans into monsters.
Don't forget Africa and parts of Asia like the philippines, entire cultures have been erased and it's still going on today.
And Europe some cultures were destroyed here and others negatively changed ruclips.net/video/uYABUbk3lTQ/видео.html
@@finnwraith5319 Okay?
not erase. Assimilated like the Borg on star trek.
Catholicism and Christianity are two completely different beliefs. Catholicism has always backed governments who destroy, where Christianity teaches that we (dominion), responsibility to care for the land and nature and live peacefully with others. I've found that Christianity not only lines up with my native culture but it takes it into a deeper understanding of who we are and who our creator is.
I just wanted to say I completely agree with you it ashamed that the catholic have gone so far from the truth. I wish those people just read their bible more. God wants us to preach the gospel to people and to love them and to be good caretaker of the land. At the end of the day no man should make a excuse to not come to Christ and god to believe in the gospel. I pray that you will bless for the good work that you are doing and thank you.
Can’t blame everything on the Catholics, the majority of the white European invaders that flooded in here were non Catholics.
@Zu Catholicism was not the first and original form of Christianity. That is false
My brother my brother wow its amazing how you can change the christian beliefs to say that catholic not the same as being christian.... christianity is all about christ or Jesus nothing to do with the land or protecting the earth. When you answer the question at least be honest with yourself. I have a simple question to your confused beliefs.....do you think god is a christian ??
Catholicism is a Christian denomination, it amazes me how people do not know a 101..but then again this is because of bias & sectarianism. I find that whole "cAtHoLicism Is NOt ChRisTianIty" spiel has most of its vocals in the American Protestant demographic. That's religion for ya, every cult blaspheming the next, claiming they are "false". Oh the irony..so oblivious.
I trust her. I like what she said.
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I'm willing to admit as a Christian The Church must accomadate these atrocities. The Church has apologized and offered settlements and Thank God this is but the Start.
So do Mosques? We Muslims were there with the Christians and supported them
A church need to pay for getting people to accept Jesus....🤦🏼♂️ You are not a Christian
They say "Christianity" but have no idea what it means, at least nothing here has come close. You can put your ear to the ground and believe you are one with the earth all you want but if your wrong and a Christian world view, the Bible being the prophecied word of our creator and His coming in human form as Jesus Christ who died for our salvation is true then you in fact will be damned in eternity. I encourage those who don't believe to educate themselves on the truth. Pray to God sincerely for wisdom and that he may reveal his truth and read His word. He will give you revelation, God bless you all.
WretchedSaint fuck jesus
Eternal damnation is bullshit. Preach somewhere else.
You are preaching falsehood yourself, false prophets have made their way into the bible and preach about eternity in hell and that God became a mortal human, both are lies
Jesus (creator seats free)
JESUS is REAL. He wil manifest Himself in such a profound way to the First Nations and raise them up
in such a way so as to restore them to the stature they deserve. and God will use them to save the United States that has lost its way of moral compass and humility . And this in turn will have mercy upon the nations of the world.
Native Americans are the most spiritual people in the world we understand the creator in there own ways but I believe they were always god believing people we just didn’t have a name for him hundred’s of years ago but native Americans have always believed in god
Who are you to judge?
The trouble is.many who,call,themselves Christians. Do ,not, follow the teachings of Christ,, Jesus never said that. Thw land belonged to any body. In fact psalms says that when you say that the earth is yours you do wrong. For the earth. Does not belong to man. We are just visitors here for a time and then we die. And the earth is home to animals and fish and trees. Jesus said you are in the world but not of the world. Its a shame that. People pervert. That which they claim to follow. ,,,
The world would be a better place if Christians would realize that they don't have a monopoly on absolute truth, shut up, and listen to Indigenous people who have also been give truths from Creator - truths that are often have more veracity than the present form of corrupted Christianity that have little to do with the teachings of Jesus.
yea but i don't understand did jesus go to the americas before it was colinized?
I believe alot of Christians are waking up and seperating from the religious imprint and interpretation forced on people. I've been in the word alot and there is alot that corelates. We are to bring heaven to earth and to live n harmony with all thing and we all have one spirit.
Hello. What did you find in the Bible that we are to live in harmony with all things and that we all have one spirit?
@@jameshite4820 Adam and Eve were told to take care of the garden and creation before man's fall. Then man was sent out to labor the earth and multiply. Seems to me Adam leaving to labor and multiply IS rhe fall of man. Taking care of it was God's intent for man is a state without sin. Man is in his Fallin state when he is colonizing.
@@jenniferflower9265 But then again the scattering of tribes
and languages by God at the tower of Babel was his encouragement to go forth and colonize other lands.
To discourage inbreeding and over domination by one tribe?
but the bible says only jesus no animism bla bla bla. religion is not about peace and harmony and more about infallible truth so indigenous rights dont matter. they go by logical reasoning what ive heard.
@@jameshite4820 were just spossed to haha. Idk man. Job say if he took his breath all flesh would fall together. Breath often used as spirit in Hebrew text. The garden of Eden is the unity and Harmony were to return to before the fallen nature. Where we were placed to "tend" the garden. Job 34:14-15. All job is good too. And the marriage is returning balance between male and female spirit and flesh which is earth all earth. All one tribe. So Isiah 65:25 hints toward that n the new creation. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain.
7:27 that's total bullshit colonization came from the Latin word colonus meaning tiller of soil. Colon come from the Latin-Greek word Kōlon so, no.
Excellent documentary!
Oh men, this is so eye opening, but as a christian I apologize for my people doing bad things to your people. Even if we are from different people, we are all humans and if we are all humans that means we all come from the same seed and if we all come from the same seed then what else are we but brothers and sisters? Our Lord never teaches us to do evil towards others, but only good, even if you have different beliefs. My people have done a lot of damage and we are sorry for that, because that violent actions contradict the teachings of our Master. We are all humans and we are all invited to be part of Gods kingdom, not through domination but through love and peace. The true Good News are the Good News of peace, that in Jesus we can all be one through his blood, a new humanity that loves others, that lives in peace, that follows mercy and compasion, that cares for the land and make it flourish in love, that gives his life for others through service and a new humanity that is humble and modest. You are our brothers and sisters and you are always invited to be part of us but if you are not part of christianity, its ok, we are comanded to respect you and love you even unto death. So, Im so sorry for everything done to you. Everyone is invited to be part of a new creation because our God is making all things new but that doesnt mean that if you dont accept that message you are not human or that you dont deserve love and peace.
You don’t have to apologize, just don’t be an asshole like a lot of people with your religion :)
Im not native American, my ancestors were all Christian, but i am highly critical of Chritianity and I think anyone who takes a honest look at history can see that Christianity caused a lot of awful, awful things to happen to the original Americans.
Everything of great value has counterfeits. There is nothing more valuable than Christ, so you can best believe there has been, and will be counterfeit Christians.
“Christians” who slaughtered, raped and kidnapped other human beings are not the real thing.
So why continue in an inherently shameful tradition?
No answer needed here---its all too obvious.
@@j.c.eaglesmith4259 I don't. Im not a christian.
@indalcecio Good. Welcome to the truth of Nature as relative life-form to all.
A'ho
@@indalceciorepent bro!! The Bible is real and Jesus loves you
Yes we did shit but only God saves.
I am Pagan... a 74 year old Pagan High Priestess... (Teacher) Boy - do I understand this video and these speakers. I tell my fellow Pagans, it does us no service to denigrate and make light of the religions of others, no matter what they are... but it is really very difficult in view of the fact that Christianity and other like religions do not even think of us as a religion, in fact, they think we are morally corupt and have NO place in or on this earth. There was even a time, they tried to kill all of us. So it is hard to listen to this and not feel the pain of the speakers, the reality of the speakers knowledge and words as how it is and has been. Because I this, I have no affection for any religion that does not love the world and everything in it that has been given to us for safe keeping and stewardship. We are part of all of mankind, and all living things and all the heavens and the earth... So Above, as Below. Peace.
+Elle Shepard
'Think' that you are morally corrupt? Not think it, but know it, but then 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' And do you have a place on the earth? Well, you exist, don't you, for God has blessed you with (for I hope that you are still with us) 75 years of life, nothing to be sneezed at in terms of historical probability! The one true God be praised for that, for His mercy!
Most religion can very well be 'denigrated' as sin. God showed us how to worship Him and serve Him, and by what avenue we might come into fellowship with Him. If we ignore His warnings, given in lovingkindness, we are exposed to judgment. Do you think it's too formulaic, too 'narrow', to worship one God only, revealed in the flesh in a unique human individual?
But look at what Jesus did!!! Can anyone equal it? Or do you despise clarity?
Is smoke and obfuscation more to your religious taste?
Jesus said (John 3:13-15), 'No one has ascended into heaven, but He who
descended from heaven: the Son of Man. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must hte Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.'
I am not sure what you are trying to say in your post... That you are absolutely devoted to Christianity and Christ is pretty clear. That you respect my religion, less so. You do not seem to grasp that my religion is not only much older than yours, but means the same to us in terms of clarity, commitment and devotion. I am not morally corrupt my friend... but I see people who have no tolerance for the religion of others as horribly morally corrupt. Many of Your modern ministers tell you that to even consider the possibility of a religion outside the Abrahamic collection of religions is a sin and not to be tolerated.. but here we are and here we will stay. You flirt with the possibility of being associated with religions that still burn "witches" and try to disconnect Pagans (and other Non-Christian religions) - that's fine with me , but very sad and it does nothing to "clarify" the dogma and doctrine of your God. It simply makes the religion look mean spirited, intolerant, bigoted and small.. nothing at all that matches the omnipotence and magnanimous opinion you profess of your God. I have no feelings of morality or lack thereof for you nor do I care what religion you are... and I am very sorry that you think your religion is all there is... it is not - nor will it ever be... but that is something you have to deal with - it is not my problem. I have no desire to "Preach at you". and I will simply delete any other messages from you that are of that nature. On there other hand, if you'd like to discuss Paganism with me in a respectful manner let me know. other wise, you are wasting your time and mine.
+Elie Shepard
I am glad that you answered back. It would be natural to conceive my previous post as an attack and your response as a counterattack, but I do not perceive either that way. I shall attempt to clear up a few misunderstandings, even though in your present state you will remain dissatisfied. Firstly, it is not a question of respect for another's beliefs (I certainly did not expect you to respect mine either), but of (a) truth revealed, not arrived at by human effort or calculation; and (b) the enormous value of human souls in the sight of God our Creator. I accept the statement that God 'desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.' Are you able to accept that? If so, it would be an appropriate starting-point for discussion of 'truth'.
Christians are frequently criticized, even condemned, for their 'exclusiveness'. There is a kind of clubbiness which is characteristic of unredeemed human nature, found in all sorts of social and religious groups. That is not what I am defending. I am not defending 'my religion' either, as though I had figured out the universe on my own (how ridiculous the thought!) or deserved any credit whatsoever for believing as I do. My personal faith is the gift of God to a wicked, nasty person who is too weak and foolish to cope without Him. So there! Even the apostle Paul, an exemplary and obviously loving man, considered himself 'chief among sinners.'
Christ said, 'It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the rightoues, but sinners.' Those who considered themselves good enough already didn't get along very well with Him.
But Christianity is by nature exclusive because: (a) repeatedly Jesus declared Himself to be the only way to God; (b) repeatedly He asserted His own divine origin, mission, and destiny. Concerning His identity He left no gray zones for interpretation, even though some pretend so. Beyond that, His coming, deeds, and authority are implicit in very many Old Testament passages, and a small but significant minority of Jewish people throughout history have recognized this.
But I would challenge you, on the basis of evidence presented in the four Gospels (to begin with), to tell me why you do not accept that He is uniquely God incarnate? Who has qualifications equal to His (sinless perfection,
as He was born without human male intervention; total magnanimity, total authority over disease and evil spirits, complete knowledge of human intentions)? Who else
has risen physically from the dead with a spiritual body, manifesting Himself to hundreds over a period of weeks, and ascended? In what other name are thousands healed miraculously, even today, and delivered from guilt and shame to lead productive lives? In short, who else has done as much good as He?
Elle, we have no respect for your religion because it's a satanic lie that will take you to hell.
Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16.
The Pope actually protected natives with several decrees. Colonizers disregarded many of those edicts and decrees.
Lo mismo con la Reina Isabel la Católica y las leyes de Burgos.
It's saddens me beyond belief what people have done in the name of Christ. Christianity as a religion is nothing to what The Creators Son envisioned. Capitalism isn't what Christ is about at all. Christ wants us to respect the earth he let us live in. Never to conquer it, but to embrace it and be thankful to Creator for it. Not to take too much, not to harm or kill unless for survival and be greatful for the sacrifice that Nature provides so that we may live. I see the story of Christ every time I cut into a piece of salmon. The only thing a Christian is meant to conquer is him or herself is the evil within all of us that is capable of hate and violence and more. To be a living, daily sacrifice of self and allow The Creator to flow freely through you so that then you are shown who you were truly born to be. That's what my prayers and heart say. My The Love of The First Spirit of All bless you and keep you close.🙏♥️🫂
The "True Christian is a follower of JESUS, anything less than that is Hypocrisy!
+Donna-Marie Marie you need to listen to the video this time. try to understand. peace to you.
+otsehtokon
What is there to understand, apart from acknowledging natural feelings of resentment? Those feelings are not unique to indigenous people and their historical situation. They are part of the human condition, which can be resolved and healed only by surrendering our lives to the care of the Lord Jesus Christ. Now Jesus warned us not to expect the forgiveness of God if we are unwilling also to forgive others. That is a hard message, but He makes it possible to accept this when we receive the Holy Spirit.
If you take this as an attempt to justify the abuses of colonialism, you are way off base. God is impartial, and he hears the cry of the afflicted. It says so over and over in Holy Scripture. But the afflicted may not cry often enough, because they don't want His company very much. Yet God's invitation in Christ is a great opportunity for indigenous peoples, by which their past misfortunes may be redeemed and turned to good account. You see, there really is very much which is wicked and godless in Western capitalism and imperialism, only one has to criticize it from the correct angle in order for the criticism to have power. And the critic who cannot also take criticism without losing his bearings won't get very far.
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@@jesusislord4135so why do you keep trying to take away their culture and their Land?? The more you promote Jesus, the more you’re spreading the religion. These people have no resentments, they’re trying to stop the Christians from taking more land and making more buildings with fancy lights inside like a concert.
I personally go by Yeshuas Teachings as well, but I don’t try taking away peoples land but using Jesus. That’s what’s happens, the more you use Jesus, the more you are spreading the religion. Jesus did not teach any of that. Jesus did not even want to be worshipped. Love God and love your neighbor. What exactly are the natives doing wrong? They’re respecting the earth and Gods creation. What are Christians doing? Making more concerts?? Has God not given you the gift of discernment yet?
the bible speaks no such thing no one man can take any of his wealth to heaven i love how words get twisted in this......
Am indigenous america mexico and Spaniard from Spain a European Jewish and other races to
The first become last and last becomes first!
The Creator is the Father Son and Holy-Spirit!
Lies Jesus did not come from the west. He is the way the truth and the life!!!
Fuck off no brain noob
was that his name Jesus ?
@@jasonjammin8697 his name is Yahusha Hamaschia, Adonai
Don't confuse true Christianity with Christian hypocrisy. Remember that the path is narrow and only found by a few.
If you believe in Christ, you are a Christian. No matter how Evil your deeds
+Matt Iccarus Those who truly believe in Christ will obey God's word. Not all who claim to be Christian do this. Hypocrites are in it to serve their own selfish needs, not to serve God as the Bible says. You should read it if you haven't already. Not everyone who calls on the Lord's name will be saved.
+Jackie Clayton read Luke 14:26. Christs teaches hate, he loves the sinners who repent, yet the heathen who lived a Noble live he wishes to hell
+Matt Iccarus He doesn't wish anyone to hell. God gave us free will. We choose how to live and it is our own choices that will send us to Heaven or Hell. Karma is a very real thing. The Bible says we reap what we sow. Jesus gave us fair warning, "I am the way, the truth and the life. Noone comes to the Father but through me. We are all sinners who deserve hell. Jesus is our way out. He has paid the penalty for our sins. We only need to be thankful for his grace. We show our thanks by repentance and faith in him.
+Jackie Clayton Christianity works on believe in Christ only, karma is based on getting back on how you treat others and is an Hindu concept. so no, i am still right
The Bible teaches us all people are created equal. Every human on earth is so loved by Him. Then comes the religion, which is a distorted way of interpret the Bible and who God loves. God have given all the indigenous people a certain way of living. But He will take away the evil things among us, all the false religion, all witchcraft and so forth. We shall have no other God's besides Him.
But that doesn't give any human the rights to consider themselves to be more than others. The white man have done so many wrong things! Many have used the religion for their own purposes to oppress others for their own wealth. But Jesus Christ is not like that. He said that we shall treat others like we like to be treated.
God bless you all 🙏❤
Christianity is a business. That’s all folks!!
Christianity is a joke.
Atheism is proud hatred.
Phillip Long I’m not an atheist but however it is not hatred it is just another belief that they choose to be true.
Christianity 👎
Amyn Yettyk! Can you tell me why you feel this way? I am a very liberal red-power native, who dearly loves Creator. I just want to talk :)
@@woohooo7634 The teachings are abhorrent and Christianity is a creation of St. Paul who taught the following
Faith alone and absence of work
financial greed
sexism towards women
slavery
obedience to church and Pharisees
separation of divinity and humanity
good deeds for selfish porposes.
Jesus never taught any of this, it's better to be a Jesuist than a Christian.
Ironically, and I dont want this taken in the wrong way or minimise any suffering many marginalised people suffered as a result of colonialization . "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." in essence even evil exposes the good in God because light shines in darkness. I'll leave you to think about that one
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