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Disappointed to hear the NOTAM description read as the very liberal Notice to Air Missions!! Its been Notice to Airman since inception, but suddenly now we are told we can identify as Cats - and they had to change the meaning of NOTAM to be gender neutral, all for the sake of inclusion - where we never excluded anyone from being an Airman in the past!!
As a leisure flyer I won't book anything east of - roughly - Greece at present. I'd like to visit India and other oriental places but there is a wall of war zones (and Russia) between the UK and there.
Iran Air 655 A300 with 290 on board was shot down in 1988 while transmitting a mode 3 (civilian) squawk code. This was when mode 3 squawk codes were a well known identification for those who might attack them. Who shot that plane down? The US. While the jet was in Iranian airspace. The US still haven’t apologized (but they did settle for $132m and expressed “regret”). The NOTAM at the time was
Funny how almost no one knew about this when Iran shot down the Ukrainian airliner. Every American on Reddit was screaming only Iran could do something this terrible until a few people reminded them that we did the same thing.
Really appreciate the channel. While I'm not a pilot, I am an electrical engineer and a hardware designer. Thanks for your insight while staying even handed and avoiding drama.
Which carrier? I'll be flying to BKK as well in a few weeks with Turkish Airlines. I've checked on flightradar24 and they rerouted TK58 to avoid Iraqi and Iranian airspace. They now fly over Georgia, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan into Pakistan. Flight time is more or less the same.
As a Kenyan,thank you for these lectures so invaluable to enthusiasts like myself! I remember the Moi international Israel flight missile mishap very well. The terrorists were later identified and eliminated. The still intact projectiles were recovered 50 kilometres away in rural farms & detonated by bomb squads.
Petter! I hope to see you chatting someday with Enrique Piñeyro, pilot and owner of Solidaire. He pilots his 787 (P4), doing humanitarian aid around the world, and described in many interviews how difficult is to get into these kind of scenarios. He actually mentioned you once, with kind words about your work and how important is to aviation. He is a very important figure that has a lot to say, and I'm sure his work and ethics are unknown to many people around the world.
I always wondered what happens to airliners during war time. Thank you for the video. I'm following your main and secondary channel for 2-3 years now and I really like them. Sometimes I don't have the urge or just can't watch some videos but I try to watch the most of recent uploads😊
A friend of mine who is a captain flying 737s in and out of tourist destinations to me that he had been subject to GPS spoofing as he was on his take-off roll from one of the international airports in Cyprus. The plane thought it was in Beirut. He continued the take-off and set a course towards London, flying without GPS. So, yes, this is a real threat!
At least the spoofing will counteract with a security feature on Boeing aircraft telling the crew in the cockpit on what runway they are currently saying "Runway Two-Seven Left" to avoid the crew trying to take-off from a taxiway parallel to the runway, oh, Petter did a video just on such an error.
I think this is example to always maintain navigation skill using other means besides GPS. Even for old school techniques. I wonder if this will prompt the need to maintain VORs that unlike GPS are not single point failures.
Best way to ensure this kind of safety is to end conflicts and try to understand each other. Respect others and be nice to everyone, stop killing, and bombarding people. Don't people have something better to do? End wars. Humanity first.
They should but they don't. It's not just Russians shooting down Malaysian and Korean airliners, Iranians shooting down Ukrainian airliners, the US Navy shot down IA655 on a scheduled air route. The lesson is clear people operating these missiles are a bunch of cowboys. Trust no one to do the right thing, because they won't. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655?origin=serp_auto
I imagine a hostile aircraft could set its transponder to transmit a civilian code. That would fool civilian air traffic control, but I'm sure military radar can check the aircraft's radar profile againt known aircraft types.
Conclusion for me: all we are saying, is give peace a chance! I am glad, that pilots know how to navigate also without GPS - but of course they have to be aware that this has been disrupted. And yes, please avoid the danger zones!
Please make a video about GPS jamming. It is common in Turkish airspace. Is it safe to fly? Why does it happen? What are the risks? Should we continue flying there?
@@MentourNow sorry, I jumped into comments before even watching the video to increase my chance of being seen as there were a few comments. I will definitely watch the other video too. Thanks a lot.
Spoofing. I work in the GNSS industry within dynamic control systems. We have multiple sources of positional information, including GNSS, and we use advanced filters to detect sudden changes in XYZ position from any source and reject them in favor of our other redundant positioning sources. So I am very surprised that the aerospace industry does not appear to have these position filters to reject GNSS spoofs. Is it just a software upgrade that is not being deployed to aircraft navigations systems? Seems illogical to me.
Watch the spoofing video by Flightradar24. It's not like the pilots have a backup (IRS - Inertial Reference System) but these drift after being aligned so are unusable for precision approaches after some hours in the air. Pilots expect the GNSS degradation, but that puts them back like 40 years and they have to rely on on the laser gyros, VORs and other non-precision navigation methods. It's more about being thrown back to flight school and (paper) maps and dead reckoning and less automation bringing you to meter accuracy to the destination.
I suspect the decision is a political one. A system that could evade GPS spoofing would be very nice for kamikaze drones. And by putting such technology in civilian aircraft, you have a high risk of someone copying the technology, and putting it in their own aircraft. 🤔Are the systems you work on, being used in products with export restrictions and/or non-aerospace applications? Because that could explain why you do do have these filters.
@@kuebbisch Did you miss his point? He talked about a sudden change in GPS position. I.e. if you fly into a zone with GPS spoofing, your GPS position could just jump multiple nautical miles to the side in a second. Usually spoofing is not a gradual drift, or the spoofing system would need to track the location of your aircraft, send fake GPS signals that mimic your correct signals, and then slightly adjust for your actual position change and desired position.
I think the positioning system jammers just override all the positioning system frequencies with their own signals with much higher intensity. So if all your sources are jammed this way, you're left without valid signals. You can reject all these signals, but you're still left without navigation. There is nothing you can do against this kind of brute force jamming, which is mostly used against kamikaze drones and guided munitions as I understand it, and not against aircraft. It turned the US made excalibur GPS guided (and only GPS guided, so you only need to jam GPS frequencies) artillery rounds into very expensive unguided rounds for example.
I personally believe that no airline passenger jet should be flying any way near a war zone airspace, period. It's best to avoid hot airspace as we do not want the repeat of the past.
@@KLisicki in principle I agree, but there’s always a population that still needs transportation…. I Salut every pilot navigating less safe countries / airspaces for doing this for the civilians.
Layers of defense Don't be there (stop operation in area) Don't be seen (stealth) Don't be hit (jamming, active protection(APS), ...) Survive to be hit (armor) Usually airline stop flying on war zones (no.1), The el-al system is a simple APS (for modern times) against IR seekers.
During a recent round trip from Europe to China I flew two completely different routes with the same airline and the same destinations. On the first flight it avoided flying on Russia, but on the return flight it flew the traditional route over Russia. I wonder why. The airline company was Chinese, I know that they are allowed to fly over Russia.
Der Fall von Malaysia Air zeigt ganz deutlich, wie unterschiedlich die Sicherheitsphilosophien der Airlines sind. Lufthansa z.B. war ebenfalls in der Nähe des Abschusses. Ich war auch in diesem Zeitraum von FRA nach Hongkong unterwegs. Allerdings mit Cathay Pacific. Und die haben lieber einen Umweg um die Ukraine gemacht. Lieber etwas mehr Sprit verbraten als wegen ein paar Litern Ersparnis über dieses Gebiet zu fliegen. Danke Cathay Pacific!
Since you made a video about flying over a war zone, can tou make one shedding light on the pilots of middle East airlines, Lebanon’s local airlines that operates flights even when israel bombs areas around the airport? Im from lebanon and very much appreciate if someone talks about out courageous pilots still operating even of all carrieres stopped since the bombing all across lebanon.
One of the great things you and your team do is covering a diversity of aviation issues. Runs the gamut from nuts and bolts explanations of issues pilots face operationally (thinking of pitot tubes) to the international politics affecting flight safety. Nice work.
11:38 No, Tel-Aviv is *not* Israel's capital. (It's also *not* the seat of Israel's government or Israel's parliament or the residence of the president)
This is a huge, very important, but also very complex topic! Thank you very much for picking it up. There would be much more to say about it as it is possible here in a comment section. So, simply again: Thank you!
The best way to combat the GPS Spoofing is to have data available to the pilots and the dispatchers to better understand the threat and mitigations. For example if you know precisely where the Spoofing is, you can use alternative modes of navigation and have situational awareness of the systems that will provide false warnings, like eGPWS. We can even send alerts to crews of the areas in real time and even confirmations that their flight has become spoofed. Additionally we can alert them when they are clear of spoofing to resume normal operations and monitor each flight for residual issues that can impact these systems for the rest of the flight. It is critical for airlines to have detailed and real-time spoofing alerting services in their flight planning and operation, just like weather. We must be proactive to GPS Spoofing, not reactive, otherwise eventually the holes in the Swiss Cheese will line up.
I'd say the best way is for the international community to punish countries that do spoofing, but that won't happen because the major powers are the prime culprits.
@@jursamajbuying or making gps jammers re very easy. Apparently delivery / taxi drivers in Mexico City have them to dodgy their vehicles inbuilt GPS trackers. The result is that Mexico City is a GPS jamming hotspot. Spoofing is also a big issue, but is usually just operated by military. The only spoofing I have experienced is over and around Israel, so I assume it is Israel that are spoofing, and likely using home made or US supplied systems.
@@28ebdh3udnav Sure INS for navigation, but there are many other systems that fail/degrade with spoofed GPS such as eGPWS, ADS-B, ADS-C, weather radar tunning, data links, etc. They don't use INS as a back, they rely solely on GPS.
"armed military groups" ... that's a strange way to call russian army forces in 2014. obviously they always has access to such weapons, how was Ukrane supposed to tell when and what for they decide to use them. I understand that maybe that report was made prior to final investigations and court decisions but I would prefer a more direct naming in so recent video
I’m Kurdish, my people always face a lot of bombings and such issues, so this was a great video! I’ve always been curious about aviation during wartimes. Interesting, thank you!
Hi Petter, thank you for accurate and unbiased content, all for the love of flying. I'm in my 28th year of aviation, flew airlines for 14 years and now in corporate for 3 and a bit years, amassed just over 13000 hours. The content on GPS spoofing was great, as we flew west of the Middle East area and experienced GPS spoofing for 1hr 15min. We also experienced EGPWS warnings, but were thankfully visual. The content in this video has certainly increased my situational awareness aswell as my dictionary for risk assessment. Whilst operators are analyzing the risk assessment, commercial pressures are unfortunately still go orientated with the final assessment and decision resting on the commander. I believe more should be done, and feel the assessments are reactive and not proactive, your case in point of the latest air strike by Iran on Israel, when intelligence about weaponry is common knowledge in military conflict zones. Anyway, thanks for a great channel and keep up the good work. 🛩
Iran misidentified a plane leaving their own airport, which just happened to be from a state that is an enemy of their largest weapons buyer... ok, sure, whatever
The sinister thing about GPS jamming is that the best way to jam someone's GPS is by spoofing a real signal. Receivers try to reject simple jamming signals, but they are super sensitive to real signals so you have much greater jamming range by sending a spoofing signal compared to a jamming signal.
The blocking of Russia, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Israel combines to make Egypt and Mexico the only way between Europe and east Asia . The wars in Yemen and Somalia force an even more southern route over Sudan, Ethiopia and Kenya, with only further detours as backups . The political and legal volatility of the US leaves out the Bering strait routes in favor of flying over Latin America to reach India, Thailand and Australia . If the US regains its sanity, crossing US airspace in Alaska or Puerto Rico becomes viable again, but until then, the Cuba-Mexico route remains the best option for low risk western flights between Europe and the Indian Ocean; Apart from the African or Antarctic ocean options .
Any chance you could leave a comment about what your camera, lighting and mic set-up is?? I'm always admiring the quality setup and clear visuals and audio and would love to find out more about how you achieve it.
Do not GNSS spoofing is detected by software ? I mean when a discrepency appears in data, an alert can be raised to signal a gap in position/situation related to GNSS ... disengage AP and let pilots manage the situation, signaling GNSS not available ? I know that false GNSS signals are formated like real ones, but after calculation of situation there must be a gap in the course. (coherence) Furthermore, if GNSS antennas are on the upper side of the plane, with an aperture of max 160°, they may be difficult to jam from below ?
Great video. I love watching your videos. Make a video about the incident incident in Belgrade, when the plane struck antenna at the end of the runway.
@ You already made a video with the plane landing in Niš, which is my home town. You are really awesome. Also there was a crash of the Ukrainian cargo plane which departed from Nish, that might be also interesting for a video.
Great video @MentourNow as always, just a thing to note: at 09:34 EASA is not an authority, so not comparable to FAA in America or other civil aviation authorities. EASA is an agency at the service of the European Parliament, who's the only authority in charge over the European area and so has the power to sign the regulation. Or this is what's supposed to be; the plan for the future is to makes EASA a full authority likewise FAA, currently it has some authorities in some part of aviation industry , like the certification of a new typo of airplane, something that a single European CAA cannot do it by itself
EASA has authority over european operators like the FAA has over american operators. So european airlines are bound to EASA and local rules, whatever is more restricting. Likewise the FAA has the ultimate say about american operators. But all authorities talk to the others so most rules are adopted worldwide. Otherwise, why could some chinese fly in russian airspace? It's because there are different agencies around the world and each had different rules and agreements in place.
This is so well timed! Some friends were talking about planning a trip and I mentioned exactly this consideration when considering the flights to take. Better to just avoid the middle east right now if you can.
Note to Mentour: Israel's capital city is Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv. And note to anyone who disagrees: The capital of a country is decided by that country, not by what another country thinks about it.
Thank you for pointing this out! I suspect that Petter did not realize the faux pas. Also the “ Israel/ Hamas/ Hezbollah conflict” did not exist until hamas brutally attacked the people of Israel on the 7th oct and Hezbollah started firing rockets on 8th oct..
The image of MH17 at 7.03 is a sad reminder of IH870 and what happened over Ustica in 1980. I'd really like you to cover that too sometime. Cheers from a former AZ ground crew and keep up the great work!
I think we may have to revert back to VHF navigation as a constant back up to GPS navigation. And stop treating GPS as the the sole "truth"..... Always tune the nearest VOR and track this as we continue Enroute.....
In regard to MH17 it wasn’t “separatists”, it was Russians. It was Russian equipment, and they were commanded by Russians. And yes, we did know about the two planes shot down before MH17, the BBC had reported it. And the airlines should have only been listening to Ukrainian intel about the area.
I also take exception to Petter referring to the incident as an accident. Considering the bellinghat report and others it seems to have been very intentional.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Bellingcat takes NED, European Union, and Atlantic Council money. It's conveniently "independent". Major outlets use them as a source to justify/launder state talking points.
It looks like incompotent Russians misidentified the plane as they didn't shoot down the Singapore Airlines flight flying into Europe. I was surprised a Commonwealth Country had failed to take Action after UK reported such concerns and ALL UK Airlines stayed away. UK precautions tend to be clear headed.
@@user-xt4ip8un5m Russians are terrorists. They prove every day by bombing hospitals, shopping malls and attacking civilian airplanes once in a while. The sources of their funding doesn't change the facts. If you want to convince people that the bellingcat report was wrong you can't do it by citing funding sources.
RE:GPS getting spoofed , I was a private pilot in Australia back in the NDB VOR days , so even though GPS had arrived you couldn't use it for primary navigation. Ok so all that has changed, but do aircraft still have failover to VOR , INS and the like ?
Hi Petter, I’d really love for you to do a video on the current state of the Russian aviation industry, the impacts western sanctions are having, how they’re maintaining their jets, how safe they are, and what the the future looks like for them!
I can see why a few people are bothered by the subject of this video, and the political situation around it, but I think you did a good job "staying in your lane", aka only talking about things that relate to aviation. It's understandable that people want to feel like you're 'on their side' in any given disagreement, but you seem to understand very well that's not your purpose or your role. The purpose of this video is to identify and explain possible threats to civilian aircraft from military conflicts, not to pass judgement on any of those militaries. For that purpose, I feel like you did a really good job, and I at least feel a little more comfortable with this understanding.
More scary problem is when some nut gets hands on a SAM and decides to fire one off just for fun even in an area of no war. That stuff is getting easier and easier to do as time goes on. Even a rifle would do at edges of runways. There are many and often comfy places around runways where a person can relax and take aim just sitting in a marsh or on a beach. I think there are a few idiots doing this now with lasers.
Thats only a problem in landing/departure phase. Those Manpads have limit range and can´t reach normal airliner cruising heights. Sadly the one in ukraine wasn´t just a Manpad..
Love to see a collaboration with a maritime creator on this - mariners are vital but more and more vulnerable - so interesting to see a conversation on this topic.
I'd love to see a collab someday with What's Going On With Shipping! Sal Mercogliano is a similar type of RUclipsr, but with ships. I'm curious how managing ships and planes is different or similar, as they work to carry people and things all over the world.
I can tell you that right now there has been an uptick in airfreight shipments due to the container ships bypassing the Red Sea due to the Houthis. Those extra couple of days to go around the Cape of Good Hope can mean the difference between late vs on-time delivery.
25:00 About the GPS issues. Why then the German Flight Control ("Deutsche Flugsicherung" is planning to remove the DVOR Stations on the ground) wouldn't it make more sense then to keep them?
Germany makes a lot of stupid decisions lately, like shutting down nuclear reactors or spending hundreds of billions on the solar power and other renewables. So I wouldn't be surprised if they regret their decision
"How Airliners Stay SAFE During War?". Easy. By avoiding them. Works best if one knows there is actually a war going on. Try not to land at an airport belonging to the enemy if at all possible.
Define "belonging to the enemy"... I guess the MH wasn 't at war with russia or the ukraine at that time. What that shows is that wars may impact inocent bystanders as well and conflict zones should be avoided.
Emirates started flying over Iraq and Iran again only two days after the Israeli attack on Iran. I'm wondering what makes EK think it's safe to continue flying through these airspaces so soon.
The risk will be associated with missiles launched from Iran as opposed to anything involved in the immediate area around Israel. Clearly airlines receive information that allows them to risk assess the likelihood of Iranian missile launches, and act accordingly.
Perfect coverage of the entire Israeli air defense umbrella! Another important factor to consider is the business aspect. Naturally, threats lead to increased insurance costs for airplanes, creating profitability challenges for airline decision-makers. To address this, the U.S. provides a form of guarantee to major insurers, ensuring premiums for Israeli destinations remain low. This financial measure helps mitigate the business impact-alongside the defense implications you mentioned-of the Iranian threat.
Calling MH17 "an accident" might be wrong vocabulary. As per British police manual "traffic accident phrase should not be used because it implies that nobody is to blame"
Once again thanks Captain! I've always wanted this type of info, but it was hard to get in that exact form! You did great job by presenting it! BTW I have one very IMPORTANT technical question about GPS spoofing or jamming! As you explained it now I did not hear you mentioning the TCAS (traffic collision avoidance system) is it also affected by the GPS jamming or spoofing devices ???
TCAS is partially reliant on ADS-B and therefore GNSS, but there are mitigations as the planes transponders can still see one another. GPS spoofing can impact the Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS), and with false alerts the pilots might become less inclined to trust it. Quite separate from GPS spoofing, there is also TCAS spoofing, there have been some different proof of concepts for it over the last few years, but nothing that could really be weaponized in the real world and we haven't seen any real world attempts yet.
Since my aviation background is military I am uses to sending aircraft off to conflict zones. So I can see the worries of civilian air operators and conflict zones. I also understand the need of military operations to jam/spoof GPS signals, without going in to technical details I will say that lots of NATO weapons use GPS. Many do have backup navigation available but not all. So by blocking the enemy GPS it has huge tactical implications. But the areas you highlighted as known spoofing zones are far from known conflict zones and that is scary. I remember in military circles when MH17 was shot down that was talk of airlines, at least partially, equipping there fleets with chaff and flare systems. Nothing ever came of it, but as an air weapons technician the prospects of secondary civilian career was exciting.
I have some real world comments having operated in some of the countries you mentioned, and another bunch that you have not. In a real conflict zone. The real hazard is not always the random missile system acting off the grid, but the degraded environment one finds no SSR, and no conventional Navaids to back up GPS / IRS based systems, there is a work around to the spoofing aspect that I will not relate here but PM if you wish. The greatest threats are through the use of drones and other aircraft not transmitting TCAS data not flying at military flight levels and appearing out of nowhere as a visual threat: I have had one Global Hawk, one B200, and a Reaper flying in my allocated IFR airspace like Sunday flyers at a meet and greet.. Also the P airspace is subjective, even if you stick to the rules; A marble hang glider type of descent to drop out of prohibited airspace can still lead to one being locked up by a Hawk system at certain North African airports and you had better be fast on the RT. Somalia ? some other time ...but the greatest threats imho are the drones, the rest we, as flight crew can try to mitigate.
I am surprised you didn’t mention how the GOAT Middle East Airlines pilots of Lebanon are taking off and landing in Beirut airport while Israel jets are bombing few meters from the runway, also they have been flying over Syria’s war zone for 13 years where no one else dared to 😮
Thanks for writing and producing this video Petter, as it's a topic that is very front of mind for me. My mother is currently in Haifa, Israel and scheduled to fly back home to Canada in very early December. Needless to say, having Air Canada and a host of other airlines saying "Nope" to flying into Tel Aviv means that her flight plan is very much up in the air. Certainly seeing what measures are being taken to keep Ben Gurion as safe as possible was reassuring, but I gotta admit, I'm still going to be quite anxious until I hear from her at some European airport.
Especially regarding Israel what cannot be forgotten is the issue of insurance. Many airlines stop flying there not because of regulatory restrictions, but because insurances hike their premiums or pull out altogether. On the other hand, El Al and other Israeli airlines will never stop operating because the state has deemed their operation essential and will underwrite any insurance.
@yonisamber8169 So. 3000 years is a flea on the arse of time and religion is just a fairytale. The extermination currently being conducted by Israel isn't.
I'd like to see planes GNSS systems compared to a reported location, from ground radar stations continously (where available). Any significant diversions due to spoofing drift or significant jump could fire an alert.
Mr. Mentour, I need you to know how grateful I am to have discovered your page and by extension a deep love for aviation. I think what you are doing here is extremely honorable. Thank You Sir 🫡
Travelling to Doha from London tommorow! I was watching your Airbus vs Boeing video when got the suggestion for this! Now I can relax better! 😂 A big fan from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 Love your work! ❤
It's very presumptuous to refer to the shooting down of MH17 as an accident. I refer you to the bellingcat report. It appears to have been very intentional.
Closing down more and more areas for commercial flights is in itself a means of war - just considering that Western Airlines stopped flying through Russian Airspace and therefore having to go the extra mile when flying for example from Munich to Beijing. An Advantage for Chinese Airlines, who do not need to avoid Russian airspace, just because Russia and China are friends. So Western European Airlines cancelled many of their standard routes from Europe to China, because the cost for these routes was much higher than their Chinese competitors was facing. We in Europe should have long again reacted to this and at least put higher landing and starting fees on chinese airlines in Europe to compensate for this. Let China feel the toll for still supporting Russia in the war in Europe, they must feel the consequences in hard western currency, at least these are my ten cents concerning this topic.
I am Chinese and need to occasionally fly between the US and China, but I don't disagree. Siding Russia is a terrible idea. The West has been China's best customers for years, yet many conservatives still have a emotional attachment for Russia (or rather the Soviet Union). This is completely irrational. Even in the olden days the Soviet Union never offered assistance to us of much consequences. We have better economy, technology and diplomatic ties that Russia when the war began. Whatever, Air China is almost always overpriced for my routes anyway.
You, Europeans, forbid Russia to fly over your territory initially. You cannot fly over Russia now as a response measure, so you are feeling the toll of your own decision 😂😂😂😂 If your ideas would be implemented, eurpoeans would pay even more to get to China, while their companies wont even notice, as local traffic there beats all european traffic combined.
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You need someone to screen your final edits for minor mistakes before posting 😁
Let me know if you need someone to help with that!
@@MADmosche I’d help too!
Disappointed to hear the NOTAM description read as the very liberal Notice to Air Missions!! Its been Notice to Airman since inception, but suddenly now we are told we can identify as Cats - and they had to change the meaning of NOTAM to be gender neutral, all for the sake of inclusion - where we never excluded anyone from being an Airman in the past!!
@@MADmoscheHis patreons do that
Hey Petter is everything ok there in Spain, I heard about the insane weather and the severe consequences of the weather.
"best way to block (punch): no be there" Mr. Miyagi.
avoiding conflict areas should always be the first option considered.
What if you work there ?
@chrisg9627 polish up your resume.
As a leisure flyer I won't book anything east of - roughly - Greece at present. I'd like to visit India and other oriental places but there is a wall of war zones (and Russia) between the UK and there.
Indeed, exactly.
Track and field is the most effective of the martial arts.
Iran Air 655 A300 with 290 on board was shot down in 1988 while transmitting a mode 3 (civilian) squawk code. This was when mode 3 squawk codes were a well known identification for those who might attack them. Who shot that plane down? The US. While the jet was in Iranian airspace. The US still haven’t apologized (but they did settle for $132m and expressed “regret”). The NOTAM at the time was
Funny how almost no one knew about this when Iran shot down the Ukrainian airliner. Every American on Reddit was screaming only Iran could do something this terrible until a few people reminded them that we did the same thing.
Really appreciate the channel. While I'm not a pilot, I am an electrical engineer and a hardware designer. Thanks for your insight while staying even handed and avoiding drama.
RIP Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
Very distant colleagues of mine were on that flight with their families.
Hope they're well
@@bmw_m4255without meaning to sound very callous, I don't think they can be well.
I wish your colleagues a speedy recovery and hope they will be back on their feet soon ❤🙏
@@dylbanan140not to be the bearer of bad news but that flight went down with no survivors
6th degree of separation - attention seeker
In a few weeks I will fly from Europe to Thailand over the middle east. I trust the pilots, they want to come home too.
Absolutely
I trust the pilots. The responsible people on the ground, not so much.
I wouldn't trust anyone. Keep well out of the way.
Go via Hawaii, South Africa, Canada or Alaska and Japan. Better still don't go at all.
@@jimgraham6722 Sorry, I can't afford a trip around the world... 😂
Which carrier? I'll be flying to BKK as well in a few weeks with Turkish Airlines. I've checked on flightradar24 and they rerouted TK58 to avoid Iraqi and Iranian airspace. They now fly over Georgia, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan into Pakistan. Flight time is more or less the same.
As a Kenyan,thank you for these lectures so invaluable to enthusiasts like myself!
I remember the Moi international Israel flight missile mishap very well.
The terrorists were later identified and eliminated.
The still intact projectiles were recovered 50 kilometres away in rural farms & detonated by bomb squads.
very interesting! I wonder how they were found.
Petter! I hope to see you chatting someday with Enrique Piñeyro, pilot and owner of Solidaire. He pilots his 787 (P4), doing humanitarian aid around the world, and described in many interviews how difficult is to get into these kind of scenarios. He actually mentioned you once, with kind words about your work and how important is to aviation. He is a very important figure that has a lot to say, and I'm sure his work and ethics are unknown to many people around the world.
I always wondered what happens to airliners during war time. Thank you for the video. I'm following your main and secondary channel for 2-3 years now and I really like them. Sometimes I don't have the urge or just can't watch some videos but I try to watch the most of recent uploads😊
wartime is all the time: I challenge you to delineate a time that was peacetime.
I miss your dogs sleeping next to you while you tell us your stories
need dog
A friend of mine who is a captain flying 737s in and out of tourist destinations to me that he had been subject to GPS spoofing as he was on his take-off roll from one of the international airports in Cyprus. The plane thought it was in Beirut. He continued the take-off and set a course towards London, flying without GPS. So, yes, this is a real threat!
At least the spoofing will counteract with a security feature on Boeing aircraft telling the crew in the cockpit on what runway they are currently saying "Runway Two-Seven Left" to avoid the crew trying to take-off from a taxiway parallel to the runway, oh, Petter did a video just on such an error.
@@mikefuerbass5186what video? Link or title please ;)
@@mikefuerbass5186 i think that needs GPS too
@@mikefuerbass5186- the RAAS system uses GPS to detect its location…
I think this is example to always maintain navigation skill using other means besides GPS. Even for old school techniques. I wonder if this will prompt the need to maintain VORs that unlike GPS are not single point failures.
Best way to ensure this kind of safety is to end conflicts and try to understand each other. Respect others and be nice to everyone, stop killing, and bombarding people. Don't people have something better to do? End wars. Humanity first.
Someone just about to fire a missile should check Flightradar 24 first just to double check it’s not civilian.
Tell that to Putin!!!
They should but they don't. It's not just Russians shooting down Malaysian and Korean airliners, Iranians shooting down Ukrainian airliners, the US Navy shot down IA655 on a scheduled air route.
The lesson is clear people operating these missiles are a bunch of cowboys. Trust no one to do the right thing, because they won't.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655?origin=serp_auto
I imagine a hostile aircraft could set its transponder to transmit a civilian code.
That would fool civilian air traffic control, but I'm sure military radar can check the aircraft's radar profile againt known aircraft types.
@@robertfitzjohn4755 I imagine that would a war crime surely
@@thelogicmatrix I dont' nations at war would be the least bit bothered.
Great video. I am an occasional flyer. As a passenger, I admire the quality of your research and the professionalism of your delivery.
Didn't know anything about how to fly over a War Zone. Great Reporting!
Conclusion for me: all we are saying, is give peace a chance!
I am glad, that pilots know how to navigate also without GPS - but of course they have to be aware that this has been disrupted. And yes, please avoid the danger zones!
There's a reason why Lennon was unalived. "Give peace a chance" is definitely high up on the scale of "stupid things hippies say".
Please make a video about GPS jamming. It is common in Turkish airspace. Is it safe to fly? Why does it happen? What are the risks? Should we continue flying there?
Israel jams GPS too. My phone thinks I am at the Jordan Airport at least twice a week lol.
I have a couple of videos on GPS jamming and spoofing already, and I go into it in this video too!
Have you seen this one? ruclips.net/video/wbd9eSw6GfI/видео.html
@@MentourNow sorry, I jumped into comments before even watching the video to increase my chance of being seen as there were a few comments. I will definitely watch the other video too. Thanks a lot.
We flew before GPS existed just fine. :)
Spoofing. I work in the GNSS industry within dynamic control systems. We have multiple sources of positional information, including GNSS, and we use advanced filters to detect sudden changes in XYZ position from any source and reject them in favor of our other redundant positioning sources. So I am very surprised that the aerospace industry does not appear to have these position filters to reject GNSS spoofs.
Is it just a software upgrade that is not being deployed to aircraft navigations systems? Seems illogical to me.
But it cost money to implement, and commercial airlines do not spend money until forced to do so by enough deaths.
Watch the spoofing video by Flightradar24. It's not like the pilots have a backup (IRS - Inertial Reference System) but these drift after being aligned so are unusable for precision approaches after some hours in the air.
Pilots expect the GNSS degradation, but that puts them back like 40 years and they have to rely on on the laser gyros, VORs and other non-precision navigation methods.
It's more about being thrown back to flight school and (paper) maps and dead reckoning and less automation bringing you to meter accuracy to the destination.
I suspect the decision is a political one. A system that could evade GPS spoofing would be very nice for kamikaze drones. And by putting such technology in civilian aircraft, you have a high risk of someone copying the technology, and putting it in their own aircraft.
🤔Are the systems you work on, being used in products with export restrictions and/or non-aerospace applications? Because that could explain why you do do have these filters.
@@kuebbisch Did you miss his point? He talked about a sudden change in GPS position. I.e. if you fly into a zone with GPS spoofing, your GPS position could just jump multiple nautical miles to the side in a second. Usually spoofing is not a gradual drift, or the spoofing system would need to track the location of your aircraft, send fake GPS signals that mimic your correct signals, and then slightly adjust for your actual position change and desired position.
I think the positioning system jammers just override all the positioning system frequencies with their own signals with much higher intensity. So if all your sources are jammed this way, you're left without valid signals. You can reject all these signals, but you're still left without navigation. There is nothing you can do against this kind of brute force jamming, which is mostly used against kamikaze drones and guided munitions as I understand it, and not against aircraft. It turned the US made excalibur GPS guided (and only GPS guided, so you only need to jam GPS frequencies) artillery rounds into very expensive unguided rounds for example.
I personally believe that no airline passenger jet should be flying any way near a war zone airspace, period. It's best to avoid hot airspace as we do not want the repeat of the past.
@@KLisicki in principle I agree, but there’s always a population that still needs transportation…. I Salut every pilot navigating less safe countries / airspaces for doing this for the civilians.
You have to fly somewhere, and when tracking from Europe to the Far East you risk completely running out of viable routes.
Labyrinth like airspace isn't making it easier.
@@PleegWatgo other way around. It's not that hard.
I personally believe war-loving nations should not be allowed to exist
Layers of defense
Don't be there (stop operation in area)
Don't be seen (stealth)
Don't be hit (jamming, active protection(APS), ...)
Survive to be hit (armor)
Usually airline stop flying on war zones (no.1),
The el-al system is a simple APS (for modern times) against IR seekers.
"Don't be seen" in this context should probably be read as "Don't be seen as a valid target."
I agree, boycott Israeli air space.
During a recent round trip from Europe to China I flew two completely different routes with the same airline and the same destinations. On the first flight it avoided flying on Russia, but on the return flight it flew the traditional route over Russia. I wonder why. The airline company was Chinese, I know that they are allowed to fly over Russia.
because if departure is from europe it cant cross russia, and departure from china got no problems with russia.
Because due to the sanctions imposed on Russia, it will only allow friendly states to overfly its airspace.
Der Fall von Malaysia Air zeigt ganz deutlich, wie unterschiedlich die Sicherheitsphilosophien der Airlines sind. Lufthansa z.B. war ebenfalls in der Nähe des Abschusses. Ich war auch in diesem Zeitraum von FRA nach Hongkong unterwegs. Allerdings mit Cathay Pacific. Und die haben lieber einen Umweg um die Ukraine gemacht. Lieber etwas mehr Sprit verbraten als wegen ein paar Litern Ersparnis über dieses Gebiet zu fliegen. Danke Cathay Pacific!
Since you made a video about flying over a war zone, can tou make one shedding light on the pilots of middle East airlines, Lebanon’s local airlines that operates flights even when israel bombs areas around the airport? Im from lebanon and very much appreciate if someone talks about out courageous pilots still operating even of all carrieres stopped since the bombing all across lebanon.
Oh hey, shout out from Lebanon. I flew out of Beirut recently. I'm a long time follower of the channel.
Hope it was a safe flight!
It was. It was also frustrating as the pilot had to fly circles around danger zones and it took 2 extra hours.
@@Joe-jc5ol But you're alive. That's worth a mere 2 hours. Hope you keep safe through this unstable time!
All the very best to you. Hope you and your family stay safe ❤
Thank you all for your good wishes. We're doing our best to stay safe.
One of the great things you and your team do is covering a diversity of aviation issues. Runs the gamut from nuts and bolts explanations of issues pilots face operationally (thinking of pitot tubes) to the international politics affecting flight safety. Nice work.
11:38 No, Tel-Aviv is *not* Israel's capital.
(It's also *not* the seat of Israel's government or Israel's parliament or the residence of the president)
It is literally according to the vast majority of countries.
@@RiwenX Other countries don't traditionally tell you where your capital city is.
So I guess choosing a capital is now like the Eurovision. It’s Jerusalem and I don’t care what other “countries” say.
@@liamosuilleabhain9965 In this particular case where said countries created your country, they sort of do, though.
In future the fasten seat belt sign will be on more often, as the pilots try to dodge the incomming missiles.
Passenger aircraft don't have the aerodynamics to dodge anything more agile than another passenger aircraft.
@@robertfitzjohn4755it’s called a joke
@@robertfitzjohn4755 they do, just be on a boeing and give the AOA sensor faulty info it will pitch downward faster than any missile
This is a huge, very important, but also very complex topic! Thank you very much for picking it up.
There would be much more to say about it as it is possible here in a comment section.
So, simply again: Thank you!
The best way to combat the GPS Spoofing is to have data available to the pilots and the dispatchers to better understand the threat and mitigations. For example if you know precisely where the Spoofing is, you can use alternative modes of navigation and have situational awareness of the systems that will provide false warnings, like eGPWS. We can even send alerts to crews of the areas in real time and even confirmations that their flight has become spoofed.
Additionally we can alert them when they are clear of spoofing to resume normal operations and monitor each flight for residual issues that can impact these systems for the rest of the flight.
It is critical for airlines to have detailed and real-time spoofing alerting services in their flight planning and operation, just like weather. We must be proactive to GPS Spoofing, not reactive, otherwise eventually the holes in the Swiss Cheese will line up.
Actually, no.
I'd say the best way is for the international community to punish countries that do spoofing, but that won't happen because the major powers are the prime culprits.
They do, they have INS
@@jursamajbuying or making gps jammers re very easy. Apparently delivery / taxi drivers in Mexico City have them to dodgy their vehicles inbuilt GPS trackers. The result is that Mexico City is a GPS jamming hotspot. Spoofing is also a big issue, but is usually just operated by military. The only spoofing I have experienced is over and around Israel, so I assume it is Israel that are spoofing, and likely using home made or US supplied systems.
@@28ebdh3udnav Sure INS for navigation, but there are many other systems that fail/degrade with spoofed GPS such as eGPWS, ADS-B, ADS-C, weather radar tunning, data links, etc. They don't use INS as a back, they rely solely on GPS.
My thoughts always go back to KAL007...
inside joke? Are uou expecting every reader to look up your own personal favourite KAL007?????????????????
iran air 655
"armed military groups" ... that's a strange way to call russian army forces in 2014. obviously they always has access to such weapons, how was Ukrane supposed to tell when and what for they decide to use them.
I understand that maybe that report was made prior to final investigations and court decisions but I would prefer a more direct naming in so recent video
I’m Kurdish, my people always face a lot of bombings and such issues, so this was a great video! I’ve always been curious about aviation during wartimes. Interesting, thank you!
Hi Petter, thank you for accurate and unbiased content, all for the love of flying. I'm in my 28th year of aviation, flew airlines for 14 years and now in corporate for 3 and a bit years, amassed just over 13000 hours. The content on GPS spoofing was great, as we flew west of the Middle East area and experienced GPS spoofing for 1hr 15min. We also experienced EGPWS warnings, but were thankfully visual. The content in this video has certainly increased my situational awareness aswell as my dictionary for risk assessment. Whilst operators are analyzing the risk assessment, commercial pressures are unfortunately still go orientated with the final assessment and decision resting on the commander. I believe more should be done, and feel the assessments are reactive and not proactive, your case in point of the latest air strike by Iran on Israel, when intelligence about weaponry is common knowledge in military conflict zones. Anyway, thanks for a great channel and keep up the good work. 🛩
Iran misidentified a plane leaving their own airport, which just happened to be from a state that is an enemy of their largest weapons buyer... ok, sure, whatever
yeah, ''misidentified'' ...
yep now it makes sense
The sinister thing about GPS jamming is that the best way to jam someone's GPS is by spoofing a real signal. Receivers try to reject simple jamming signals, but they are super sensitive to real signals so you have much greater jamming range by sending a spoofing signal compared to a jamming signal.
Tel Aviv is NOT Israel’s capital, it is Jerusalem
I must make a correction: Israel is a not a country. It’s a European colony.
Great video as always.
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
@@MentourNow keep it up!!!
The blocking of Russia, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Israel combines to make Egypt and Mexico the only way between Europe and east Asia . The wars in Yemen and Somalia force an even more southern route over Sudan, Ethiopia and Kenya, with only further detours as backups . The political and legal volatility of the US leaves out the Bering strait routes in favor of flying over Latin America to reach India, Thailand and Australia . If the US regains its sanity, crossing US airspace in Alaska or Puerto Rico becomes viable again, but until then, the Cuba-Mexico route remains the best option for low risk western flights between Europe and the Indian Ocean; Apart from the African or Antarctic ocean options .
Any chance you could leave a comment about what your camera, lighting and mic set-up is??
I'm always admiring the quality setup and clear visuals and audio and would love to find out more about how you achieve it.
I appreciate the way you approach sensitive topics with thoughtfulness and curiosity ❤
Do not GNSS spoofing is detected by software ?
I mean when a discrepency appears in data, an alert can be raised to signal a gap in position/situation related to GNSS ... disengage AP and let pilots manage the situation, signaling GNSS not available ?
I know that false GNSS signals are formated like real ones, but after calculation of situation there must be a gap in the course. (coherence)
Furthermore, if GNSS antennas are on the upper side of the plane, with an aperture of max 160°, they may be difficult to jam from below ?
When I was deployed to Iraq in 2003 we flew South to Saudi over the DMZ to avoid the conflict since we were in a commercial 777.
USMC 1999-2007
Great video. I love watching your videos. Make a video about the incident incident in Belgrade, when the plane struck antenna at the end of the runway.
Thanks, I'll see what I can do when a final report is out.
@ You already made a video with the plane landing in Niš, which is my home town. You are really awesome. Also there was a crash of the Ukrainian cargo plane which departed from Nish, that might be also interesting for a video.
What a nice surprise, a new video right at my lunch break time
I hope you liked it!
Excellent video
I was one of those 900 flights ✈️ when i went on holiday to Phuket.
Great video @MentourNow as always, just a thing to note: at 09:34 EASA is not an authority, so not comparable to FAA in America or other civil aviation authorities. EASA is an agency at the service of the European Parliament, who's the only authority in charge over the European area and so has the power to sign the regulation. Or this is what's supposed to be; the plan for the future is to makes EASA a full authority likewise FAA, currently it has some authorities in some part of aviation industry , like the certification of a new typo of airplane, something that a single European CAA cannot do it by itself
EASA has authority over european operators like the FAA has over american operators.
So european airlines are bound to EASA and local rules, whatever is more restricting.
Likewise the FAA has the ultimate say about american operators. But all authorities talk to the others so most rules are adopted worldwide.
Otherwise, why could some chinese fly in russian airspace? It's because there are different agencies around the world and each had different rules and agreements in place.
Is there someone from Ukraine 🇺🇦? Let the boy from the front line and who is obsessed with aviation knows who is here.
keep up the good work, brother 🫡
This is so well timed! Some friends were talking about planning a trip and I mentioned exactly this consideration when considering the flights to take. Better to just avoid the middle east right now if you can.
If a civilian airliner is shot down by a missile, can you really call that an accident?
No, that's a war crime
Yes, if its not intentional.
@@orionxingu1758 no, it-s stupid airline policy
Recently flew from Thailand to Helsinki. What a fascinating flight path that was!
Note to Mentour: Israel's capital city is Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv. And note to anyone who disagrees: The capital of a country is decided by that country, not by what another country thinks about it.
Thank you for pointing this out! I suspect that Petter did not realize the faux pas. Also the “ Israel/ Hamas/ Hezbollah conflict” did not exist until hamas brutally attacked the people of Israel on the 7th oct and Hezbollah started firing rockets on 8th oct..
The image of MH17 at 7.03 is a sad reminder of IH870 and what happened over Ustica in 1980. I'd really like you to cover that too sometime. Cheers from a former AZ ground crew and keep up the great work!
I think we may have to revert back to VHF navigation as a constant back up to GPS navigation. And stop treating GPS as the the sole "truth"..... Always tune the nearest VOR and track this as we continue Enroute.....
Turning off the GPS receiver is a regularly used option, allowing the aircraft to resort to inertial guidance backed up with VOR-DME updates.
Thank you for all the details, very interesting!
In regard to MH17 it wasn’t “separatists”, it was Russians. It was Russian equipment, and they were commanded by Russians. And yes, we did know about the two planes shot down before MH17, the BBC had reported it. And the airlines should have only been listening to Ukrainian intel about the area.
I also take exception to Petter referring to the incident as an accident. Considering the bellinghat report and others it seems to have been very intentional.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Bellingcat takes NED, European Union, and Atlantic Council money. It's conveniently "independent". Major outlets use them as a source to justify/launder state talking points.
It looks like incompotent Russians misidentified the plane as they didn't shoot down the Singapore Airlines flight flying into Europe. I was surprised a Commonwealth Country had failed to take Action after UK reported such concerns and ALL UK Airlines stayed away. UK precautions tend to be clear headed.
@@user-xt4ip8un5m
Russians are terrorists. They prove every day by bombing hospitals, shopping malls and attacking civilian airplanes once in a while. The sources of their funding doesn't change the facts. If you want to convince people that the bellingcat report was wrong you can't do it by citing funding sources.
Do your research diligently and don't fall prey to US and Ukranian propaganda. It was not Russians.
RE:GPS getting spoofed , I was a private pilot in Australia back in the NDB VOR days , so even though GPS had arrived you couldn't use it for primary navigation. Ok so all that has changed, but do aircraft still have failover to VOR , INS and the like ?
Hi Petter, I’d really love for you to do a video on the current state of the Russian aviation industry, the impacts western sanctions are having, how they’re maintaining their jets, how safe they are, and what the the future looks like for them!
An update would be great... if new information is available
@ oh balls, is there already a video? I did look but I must have missed it!
@@sandpitturtle2781 look for something about Russians flying without brakes
I tried to write a comment on this which was abruptly removed by our glorious YT.
I would really like to see this update as well. Especially if the recent US election means a policy change.
“The US handover back to the Taliban” Bahahahahahahaha
You forgot to mention when the US navy shot down a passenger airline.(iran air).
Russia have shot down two .
@@alanolley7286 That's called whataboutism and in any case, one of those was ploughing into Soviet airspace and was well inside it when shot down.
@@alanolley7286 everyone is terrible. Preferences are just.... current.
Misidentifiation again...
He is talking about current events
I can see why a few people are bothered by the subject of this video, and the political situation around it, but I think you did a good job "staying in your lane", aka only talking about things that relate to aviation. It's understandable that people want to feel like you're 'on their side' in any given disagreement, but you seem to understand very well that's not your purpose or your role. The purpose of this video is to identify and explain possible threats to civilian aircraft from military conflicts, not to pass judgement on any of those militaries. For that purpose, I feel like you did a really good job, and I at least feel a little more comfortable with this understanding.
More scary problem is when some nut gets hands on a SAM and decides to fire one off just for fun even in an area of no war. That stuff is getting easier and easier to do as time goes on. Even a rifle would do at edges of runways. There are many and often comfy places around runways where a person can relax and take aim just sitting in a marsh or on a beach. I think there are a few idiots doing this now with lasers.
This is basically what happened in 2014 over Ukraine. Russia willfully irresponsible whether or not it was their soldiers who pulled the trigger.
@@nhzxboi as a frequent flyer that’s something I’ve been wondering about for a looong time.
Thats only a problem in landing/departure phase. Those Manpads have limit range and can´t reach normal airliner cruising heights. Sadly the one in ukraine wasn´t just a Manpad..
@ who needs a rogue manpad when you have Russia giving out entire truck based SAM sites.
@@benbunch4159 that is disinformation propaganda you are dishing out.
Simply an excellent program! Thank you solo much!
Glad you enjoyed it!
No mention a single time of Eurocontrol work ... Thanks for the video but it is missing some aspects.
0:41 Why aren't you saying it was shot down by Russia?
Love to see a collaboration with a maritime creator on this - mariners are vital but more and more vulnerable - so interesting to see a conversation on this topic.
I'd love to see a collab someday with What's Going On With Shipping! Sal Mercogliano is a similar type of RUclipsr, but with ships. I'm curious how managing ships and planes is different or similar, as they work to carry people and things all over the world.
@@Sarcasticron We should suggest it Sal.
I can tell you that right now there has been an uptick in airfreight shipments due to the container ships bypassing the Red Sea due to the Houthis. Those extra couple of days to go around the Cape of Good Hope can mean the difference between late vs on-time delivery.
I say a prayer everytime i get on plane.
25:00 About the GPS issues. Why then the German Flight Control ("Deutsche Flugsicherung" is planning to remove the DVOR Stations on the ground) wouldn't it make more sense then to keep them?
Germany makes a lot of stupid decisions lately, like shutting down nuclear reactors or spending hundreds of billions on the solar power and other renewables. So I wouldn't be surprised if they regret their decision
Who's going to be spoofing GPS in Germany, the Swiss?
@@Hill_Walker - some aircraft don’t recover from GPS jamming or spoofing until systems are reset when they’re on the ground.
@@Hill_Walker I did not say anything about spoofing in Germany. But those things can happen anywhere.
Its ok to talk about genocide when talking about IDF.....
"How Airliners Stay SAFE During War?".
Easy. By avoiding them. Works best if one knows there is actually a war going on. Try not to land at an airport belonging to the enemy if at all possible.
GOOD advice!! Problem is...........knowing WHO the enemy is!
@ sometimes it’s hard to tell!
Define "belonging to the enemy"... I guess the MH wasn 't at war with russia or the ukraine at that time.
What that shows is that wars may impact inocent bystanders as well and conflict zones should be avoided.
Awesome video with great insights!
Emirates started flying over Iraq and Iran again only two days after the Israeli attack on Iran. I'm wondering what makes EK think it's safe to continue flying through these airspaces so soon.
The risk will be associated with missiles launched from Iran as opposed to anything involved in the immediate area around Israel. Clearly airlines receive information that allows them to risk assess the likelihood of Iranian missile launches, and act accordingly.
@@EdOeuna nonsense again.
@@orionxingu1758 - I consider that EGS know what they’re doing.
Great as usual
RIP MH17. Never forget.
Perfect coverage of the entire Israeli air defense umbrella!
Another important factor to consider is the business aspect. Naturally, threats lead to increased insurance costs for airplanes, creating profitability challenges for airline decision-makers. To address this, the U.S. provides a form of guarantee to major insurers, ensuring premiums for Israeli destinations remain low. This financial measure helps mitigate the business impact-alongside the defense implications you mentioned-of the Iranian threat.
Calling MH17 "an accident" might be wrong vocabulary. As per British police manual "traffic accident phrase should not be used because it implies that nobody is to blame"
Somebody has seen Hot Fuzz
@@andresabourin2423 😁It is real though. British cops get called to an RTC. Road Traffic Collision.
Causing an accident doesn't get you convicted for murder.
Misidentifying a passenger plane as a combat plane surely is an accident.
If deliberately targeted, then that's a different story.
Once again thanks Captain! I've always wanted this type of info, but it was hard to get in that exact form! You did great job by presenting it!
BTW I have one very IMPORTANT technical question about GPS spoofing or jamming!
As you explained it now I did not hear you mentioning the TCAS (traffic collision avoidance system) is it also affected by the GPS jamming or spoofing devices ???
TCAS is partially reliant on ADS-B and therefore GNSS, but there are mitigations as the planes transponders can still see one another. GPS spoofing can impact the Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS), and with false alerts the pilots might become less inclined to trust it.
Quite separate from GPS spoofing, there is also TCAS spoofing, there have been some different proof of concepts for it over the last few years, but nothing that could really be weaponized in the real world and we haven't seen any real world attempts yet.
Never forget MH 17.
Since my aviation background is military I am uses to sending aircraft off to conflict zones. So I can see the worries of civilian air operators and conflict zones.
I also understand the need of military operations to jam/spoof GPS signals, without going in to technical details I will say that lots of NATO weapons use GPS. Many do have backup navigation available but not all. So by blocking the enemy GPS it has huge tactical implications. But the areas you highlighted as known spoofing zones are far from known conflict zones and that is scary.
I remember in military circles when MH17 was shot down that was talk of airlines, at least partially, equipping there fleets with chaff and flare systems. Nothing ever came of it, but as an air weapons technician the prospects of secondary civilian career was exciting.
The most disgusting thing about these wars is there is someone, who earn money on killing people
Ratheon, Lockheed, Boeing, etc.. the usual suspects
All wars are banker's wars. Every. Single. Time.
yes and we are not allowed here on yt to name them.
I have some real world comments having operated in some of the countries you mentioned, and another bunch that you have not. In a real conflict zone.
The real hazard is not always the random missile system acting off the grid, but the degraded environment one finds no SSR, and no conventional Navaids to back up GPS / IRS based systems, there is a work around to the spoofing aspect that I will not relate here but PM if you wish.
The greatest threats are through the use of drones and other aircraft not transmitting TCAS data not flying at military flight levels and appearing out of nowhere as a visual threat: I have had one Global Hawk, one B200, and a Reaper flying in my allocated IFR airspace like Sunday flyers at a meet and greet..
Also the P airspace is subjective, even if you stick to the rules;
A marble hang glider type of descent to drop out of prohibited airspace can still lead to one being locked up by a Hawk system at certain North African airports and you had better be fast on the RT.
Somalia ? some other time ...but the greatest threats imho are the drones, the rest we, as flight crew can try to mitigate.
How bias is Ground News calling this video?
Very biased
Fantastic concept for an episode! Still need a navigation through the ages with a healthy dollop of s duct along the way !!
I am surprised you didn’t mention how the GOAT Middle East Airlines pilots of Lebanon are taking off and landing in Beirut airport while Israel jets are bombing few meters from the runway, also they have been flying over Syria’s war zone for 13 years where no one else dared to 😮
Thanks for writing and producing this video Petter, as it's a topic that is very front of mind for me. My mother is currently in Haifa, Israel and scheduled to fly back home to Canada in very early December. Needless to say, having Air Canada and a host of other airlines saying "Nope" to flying into Tel Aviv means that her flight plan is very much up in the air. Certainly seeing what measures are being taken to keep Ben Gurion as safe as possible was reassuring, but I gotta admit, I'm still going to be quite anxious until I hear from her at some European airport.
Don't Israeli jets regularly hide "behind" civilian airliners when attacking neighboring countries?
Especially regarding Israel what cannot be forgotten is the issue of insurance. Many airlines stop flying there not because of regulatory restrictions, but because insurances hike their premiums or pull out altogether. On the other hand, El Al and other Israeli airlines will never stop operating because the state has deemed their operation essential and will underwrite any insurance.
Its a good video. I'm just not the biggest fan on the topic.
If there were no wars , we might have become tier 1 civilization by now
FYI, Tel Aviv is actually not the capital of Israel. Jerusalem is. Thanks for your videos!
Only because they stole it
@@ua6765
Jerusalem has been the focal point in Judaism for 3,000 years, before Islam was even a flea on a camals ass.
Time to learn history.
Google says the capital of Israel is Jerusalem.
@yonisamber8169 So. 3000 years is a flea on the arse of time and religion is just a fairytale. The extermination currently being conducted by Israel isn't.
@@yonisamber8169 the apartheid state did not even exit before 1948.
very interesting! thank you.
Back to the good old bubble sextant ?
I'd like to see planes GNSS systems compared to a reported location, from ground radar stations continously (where available).
Any significant diversions due to spoofing drift or significant jump could fire an alert.
I think you are darn good at your work. Thanks
Mr. Mentour, I need you to know how grateful I am to have discovered your page and by extension a deep love for aviation. I think what you are doing here is extremely honorable. Thank You Sir 🫡
Travelling to Doha from London tommorow!
I was watching your Airbus vs Boeing video when got the suggestion for this!
Now I can relax better! 😂 A big fan from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 Love your work! ❤
We can't put flares on civilian airlines it's not effecient, and adds weight!
Middle east exists*
Israel: let's strap a laser to that bad boy!
@@zkol3287 😂👍🏻🇮🇱💪🏻
@@SmashMaster Can we stop talking about politics?
@@uia_fan9552 the bots are out.
It's very presumptuous to refer to the shooting down of MH17 as an accident. I refer you to the bellingcat report. It appears to have been very intentional.
Closing down more and more areas for commercial flights is in itself a means of war - just considering that Western Airlines stopped flying through Russian Airspace and therefore having to go the extra mile when flying for example from Munich to Beijing. An Advantage for Chinese Airlines, who do not need to avoid Russian airspace, just because Russia and China are friends. So Western European Airlines cancelled many of their standard routes from Europe to China, because the cost for these routes was much higher than their Chinese competitors was facing. We in Europe should have long again reacted to this and at least put higher landing and starting fees on chinese airlines in Europe to compensate for this.
Let China feel the toll for still supporting Russia in the war in Europe, they must feel the consequences in hard western currency, at least these are my ten cents concerning this topic.
I am Chinese and need to occasionally fly between the US and China, but I don't disagree. Siding Russia is a terrible idea. The West has been China's best customers for years, yet many conservatives still have a emotional attachment for Russia (or rather the Soviet Union). This is completely irrational. Even in the olden days the Soviet Union never offered assistance to us of much consequences. We have better economy, technology and diplomatic ties that Russia when the war began. Whatever, Air China is almost always overpriced for my routes anyway.
You, Europeans, forbid Russia to fly over your territory initially. You cannot fly over Russia now as a response measure, so you are feeling the toll of your own decision 😂😂😂😂 If your ideas would be implemented, eurpoeans would pay even more to get to China, while their companies wont even notice, as local traffic there beats all european traffic combined.
26:54 Simple...
Don't go there. If you do, plan for the worst. Civilian travel into or over any conflict area is a really bad idea.