i recently Bought a Ryzen 9 9950X and RAMs Gskyll trident a neo 4 x 16 gb. This memories have a EXPO profile for up to a 8000. Only with 2 sticks in dual channel, no problem. But then I add the 4 sticks, the problem start. Thanks to this video, I can configúrate ti manualy the volts and latences and now I can run my PC on a 6000 MZh. It´s nice. Thanks for your help.
Help. My system wont post on a x870e, ryzen 9800x3d, 4 x 32gig ddr5 6000mhz. Even the latest bios says error 15 code. It only posts on 2 x 32 gigs on a1 and b1
you wont get 6000 on 4 dims on that board, i have the non E version and I cant get past 5000. Better remove EXPO and then increise the mhz by 200 so u know the limits.
I very highly recommend to buy a single quad channel set of RAM, as they will already be optimized to work in quad sets. It's much more stable and more reliable than the different dual channel sets. It's usually cheaper too.
they're not "optimized" they just use the same memory chips and here it's the 24Gbit Hynix M-die for both kits since those are the only ones capable of hitting 8000
If you're only doing 96 GB's then do two sticks. Corsair Dominator Titanium 6600 kit of 96 will be easier on the memory controller and you can do 6400 most likely with it. I want to see 128 GB's 4 sticks or 192.
@@jamesm568 I have an ROG Strix x870e with 4 x 32gig 6000 (PC5-48000) C40, 9800x3d and my PC only posts with ram plugged into A2 and B2. The moment I plug the additional cards in A1 and B1 it doesn't post and the orange DRAM light is on with Error code 15 on the board. Latest Bios update also.
@marcellofante6598 Have you let it sit for 20 minutes as sometimes it takes that long for it to pst when recognizing your RAM when you're using four sticks?
@@jamesm568 Not yet, I finally installed it last night and it was late, It stayed on the Error 15 message for a while. I guess I will wait for a bit. Just needed to know that someone else got it working. I will try it
@@Putridd_ Then you are cripling your performance by quite a lot. Might be worth learning how timings work and how to properly adjust your RAM if you want 4 sticks.
@@Putridd_ just because it doesn't show at 1440 doesn't mean there isn't performance loss in the system running at JEDEC speed. Especially if you are using a X3D cpu as those tend not to show the losses as much.
The good thing the x670e and the x870e Gigaybte boards except the Ai Top aren't much differnt for Ram kits settings. For overcklockers not much new adventure with settings to play but the bios is better for what i heard.
yeah but CAD programam in example is hard if you have instrest in it . Mostly fine 64gb with other programms except you push some extreme 4k productivity with multiple tasks open like unreal engine and blender and etc. Productivity tasks in 2024 need 64 gb dual rank most of the time.
Yes. I run 64GB. I had 32GB but for heavy multitasking (I ran torrent, backup app, tartube, RGB app, browser, Malware Bytes, Discord, irc client, a few more) you will feel the extra ram if you run heavy games as well. I never hit the limit with this even with fairly extensive models in Solid Edge.
Hi There I have a x870 e, 4 x 32gig corsair venegance 6000 cl40, 9800x3d and for some reason it will not boot. It only boots on 2 x 32 gig sticks ( supported by mobo) I checked the asus website, it says that 4 x 32 gig sticks are not listed. Will it still train the memory?
When choosing the DDR5 RAM for a build, is the difference in the CAS Latency significant for performance between 28,30,32,34,36,38 and 40 type DDR5 DIMM(s)?
@@david9538No, that's not quite true. CAS latency isn't really a factor for intel, intels controller just likes speed. But AMD on the other hand likes really tight timings with a lower latency. 6000mhz at CL28 is about the peak for AMD chips. maybe 6400 CL30 if you can push it.
What if your EXPO profile is 6000MHz and using 4 sticks, will it simply work out of box with its profile? Also do you recommend turning EXPO off first, shut down, then install memory?
No. Running 4 sticks is mainly for aesthetics. Performance between 4 and 2 are the same. Also, running 4 sticks 6000MT/s or above requires good quality IMC of your CPU, Motherboard, RAM, and "LUCK". My advice is just use 2 sticks 6000-6400MT/s. If you live in US, then just buy high-end motherboard with 2 identical Hynix 6000cl30 kits and CPU. If not working then use "30days return policy" and replace your CPU until working.
What if I put them correctly - A1 B1, A2 B2??? Now it works A1A2, B1B2 but does RAM training on each boot which is rather annoying... If I put them correctly will it work or I shouldn't even bother..? 64 gigs on 4 DIMMs at EXPO - no worries so far, just the high boot times and the remember timings setting in BIOS doesn't work. Doesn't remember the settings and does training on each boot
@@Vash.Baldeus Bear in mind - 64 gigs EXPO in 4x16 the memory controller does without any fuss. So place them correctly and not like he shows in this video. Place them A1B1, A2B2 and you'll be totally fine.
Hey thanks for the video! Got a question, i want to build a north xl build with the pro art x870e ( i know is not the best x870e mobo) i saw that this mobo failed the 8000 expo validation only running @7600... can i run 4 stick of ddr5 (16gbx4gb) @6000mhz cl30 in this mobo? another question: any mobo that can run 2 stick @8000mhz can run 4 sticks @6000mhz (>96gb) or i got this wrong?
You can run 4 sticks totaling either 64 or 96gb at 6000 reliably. Higher capacities aren't guaranteed. So 128 or 192gb for example, should work at 4800 and 5200 but going beyond that will require lots of manual trial and error based on the video earlier this year.
@@krithlolz Yes because the difficulty of running the memory at high speeds is dependent on the board. The difficulty of running a lot of memory comes down all of the above.
I bought the same kit number of Kingston fury beast recently but a year apart. One kit is sk Hynix and the other is micron despite having the same part number. Total 64Gb so 4 sticks of 16Gb. Two sk Hynix and two micron…….is this going to cause issues?
As long as they are installed correctly (separated by channel) and you manually set them similar to what was shown in the video I see no reason why it won't work.
What would be a normal speed for 4x16gb ddr4 of kingston fury beast 3600mhz Cl18 (two pairs, similar stuff but different batches)? I'm under the impression that at 3000mhz Cl16 is super stable and 3200 is doable but not THAT stable. Asus tuf b550m and 5950x.
I used to run 4x16gb ddr4 Gskill Ripjaws 3200MT/s with my 5800X on the X570 Crosshair VIII Hero. So for me it was working fine at the XMP speed but that was on a high-end motherboard. I assume it should work but the B550m has me questioning how stable it will be.
I got a cheaper gigabyte board with 7800x3d with 4 16gb of those 6000 gskill sticks that come with a combo and if vsoc is auto it defaults to something high like 1.26-8v. but with manual it can be taken down to 1.15-8v.
If you're running lowered vsoc it's easier to push your fclk to 2200 as well. 7800/9800 fclk/memclk don't have to be in ratio and that nets some gains. The best gains are from low cas and pushed fclk. I was running my 6000's at 2133/6400 and decided to revert back to expo at 6000 (since mem freq has much smaller gains) then reduce vsoc to get fclk to 2200. Once I hit the 1.15 mark 2200 fclk became stable. Eliminated some slight hitches I was getting from 1% lows and smoothed out gaming a good bit.
@@qordari found that 2166 and 2200 fclk was slower than 2000 for me in cs2 and id imagine that 2066 would be better at 6200mts maybe it's just cs2 tho only game i benchmarked
Exactly. He contradicted himself by moving the old memory so that be side by side. They just simply on 2 different channels then also idk why people focuses so hard on putting high speed memory on x3d chips. The difference in performance in games is like 0~2% with 8000mhz ram even with well tightened timings. CL30-28 6000mhz will get you the same results and your memory controller will thank you by even allowing you to undervolt the SOC. Saving on idle power for lower idle temps and save on CPU package power for potential higher core clocks which could claw back that (potential) 2% loss by not pushing for the 8000mhz. It's just as pointless as putting fast ddr4 on Intel's Skylake processors. They were so good and efficient at managing their memory going faster again got you Maby 2% gain by getting the fastest ram on the market at the time.
Actually you guys are wrong about this for ddr5. For ddr4 you would be correct but there have been changes to the way the memory controller trains for timings and communication to the memory sticks.
Actually the X670E Aorus Master, which is the motherboard he is using has a Dimm layout of A1 A2 B1 B2 according to the manual. He is correct in running one kit on channel A (Two left slots) and the other on channel B (Two right slots). Not every motherboard dimm layout is the same. Do some research before criticizing people of doing it wrong.
i recently Bought a Ryzen 9 9950X and RAMs Gskyll trident a neo 4 x 16 gb. This memories have a EXPO profile for up to a 8000. Only with 2 sticks in dual channel, no problem. But then I add the 4 sticks, the problem start. Thanks to this video, I can configúrate ti manualy the volts and latences and now I can run my PC on a 6000 MZh. It´s nice. Thanks for your help.
Thanks for these videos man, the way people talk about it I really thought 4 sticks just wasn't possible in a worthwhile way
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Help. My system wont post on a x870e, ryzen 9800x3d, 4 x 32gig ddr5 6000mhz. Even the latest bios says error 15 code. It only posts on 2 x 32 gigs on a1 and b1
you wont get 6000 on 4 dims on that board, i have the non E version and I cant get past 5000. Better remove EXPO and then increise the mhz by 200 so u know the limits.
I very highly recommend to buy a single quad channel set of RAM, as they will already be optimized to work in quad sets. It's much more stable and more reliable than the different dual channel sets. It's usually cheaper too.
they're not "optimized" they just use the same memory chips
and here it's the 24Gbit Hynix M-die for both kits since those are the only ones capable of hitting 8000
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If you're only doing 96 GB's then do two sticks. Corsair Dominator Titanium 6600 kit of 96 will be easier on the memory controller and you can do 6400 most likely with it. I want to see 128 GB's 4 sticks or 192.
Do you have an INTEL guide?
I got 128 GB of RAM on the 9800X3D working at 6400MT/s, but not at no CL 32 though.
how?
@marcellofante6598 Change the timings on your RAM through your motherboard's BIOS. Some motherboards have recommended preset timings to use.
@@jamesm568 I have an ROG Strix x870e with 4 x 32gig 6000 (PC5-48000) C40, 9800x3d and my PC only posts with ram plugged into A2 and B2. The moment I plug the additional cards in A1 and B1 it doesn't post and the orange DRAM light is on with Error code 15 on the board. Latest Bios update also.
@marcellofante6598 Have you let it sit for 20 minutes as sometimes it takes that long for it to pst when recognizing your RAM when you're using four sticks?
@@jamesm568 Not yet, I finally installed it last night and it was late, It stayed on the Error 15 message for a while. I guess I will wait for a bit. Just needed to know that someone else got it working. I will try it
What is your Case Please? I like the Full Mesh Back.
I can't get 6000 with 4 sticks, only 4600 w expo on
Expo on is why you can't. You have to set the speed and timings manually
@prototypep4 not really know about timings like that so I'm just running it at 4600 with expo on
@@Putridd_ Then you are cripling your performance by quite a lot. Might be worth learning how timings work and how to properly adjust your RAM if you want 4 sticks.
@prototypep4 not really tbh, still same frames especially in 1440p. Maybe like 1 2 frames less can barely tell
@@Putridd_ just because it doesn't show at 1440 doesn't mean there isn't performance loss in the system running at JEDEC speed. Especially if you are using a X3D cpu as those tend not to show the losses as much.
The good thing the x670e and the x870e Gigaybte boards except the Ai Top aren't much differnt for Ram kits settings. For overcklockers not much new adventure with settings to play but the bios is better for what i heard.
Impossible 4 stick 8000 maybe future updates?
I have no problems running four sticks since the first lot of bios updates. update you motherboard bios.
just enable XMP/EXPO and never overclock custom if you want to extend lifespan RAM after all
@@indrahaseo most of the times EXPO wont work with 4 sticks of ram on am5
is there any gaming performance benefits or negative effects on running 4 stick of single channel?
for gaming, programming, blender, and a few web tabs, is 64gb of ram sufficient?
yeah but CAD programam in example is hard if you have instrest in it . Mostly fine 64gb with other programms except you push some extreme 4k productivity with multiple tasks open like unreal engine and blender and etc. Productivity tasks in 2024 need 64 gb dual rank most of the time.
even 32GB will be sufficient
Yes. I run 64GB.
I had 32GB but for heavy multitasking (I ran torrent, backup app, tartube, RGB app, browser, Malware Bytes, Discord, irc client, a few more) you will feel the extra ram if you run heavy games as well. I never hit the limit with this even with fairly extensive models in Solid Edge.
@@orogin1 not for the type of game i play, unfortunately
@@jamegumb7298 thank you, i appreciate that
Hi There I have a x870 e, 4 x 32gig corsair venegance 6000 cl40, 9800x3d and for some reason it will not boot. It only boots on 2 x 32 gig sticks ( supported by mobo) I checked the asus website, it says that 4 x 32 gig sticks are not listed. Will it still train the memory?
Yes, it will work. It will just take a longer amount of time (several minutes) on the 1st boot.
When choosing the DDR5 RAM for a build, is the difference in the CAS Latency significant for performance between 28,30,32,34,36,38 and 40 type DDR5 DIMM(s)?
not that much of a difference but just get cl30 and 6000mhz its the sweat spot for cost to performance
@@david9538No, that's not quite true. CAS latency isn't really a factor for intel, intels controller just likes speed. But AMD on the other hand likes really tight timings with a lower latency. 6000mhz at CL28 is about the peak for AMD chips. maybe 6400 CL30 if you can push it.
@@prototypep4no they are right, even on ryzen
A1 and A2 are different channels right?
Most time its A2 and B2 for two sticks
same channel
you want to use both channels so that's why A2 and B2
What would offer better gaming performance or would it be the same? I was thinking to run 4 16gb sticks for the Aesthetics over 2 32gb sticks.
do u have any suggest how to fix gigabytes mobos issue with error 08 that afflict mostly everyone right now :(
Just ignore it, in windows is no problem.
What if your EXPO profile is 6000MHz and using 4 sticks, will it simply work out of box with its profile? Also do you recommend turning EXPO off first, shut down, then install memory?
It will not work. Will simple crash and default to 3600.
Hey! I have the same watercooler and just have bought the same processor, can you tell me how is the performance/temperatures when gaming?
Is there a huge difference that is noticeable in download speeds or in fps? Compared to 2 sticking?
Now what I wanna know, is it benefitial to run 4 sticks over only 2 sticks perfomance vise?
No. Running 4 sticks is mainly for aesthetics. Performance between 4 and 2 are the same.
Also, running 4 sticks 6000MT/s or above requires good quality IMC of your CPU, Motherboard, RAM, and "LUCK".
My advice is just use 2 sticks 6000-6400MT/s.
If you live in US, then just buy high-end motherboard with 2 identical Hynix 6000cl30 kits and CPU. If not working then use "30days return policy" and replace your CPU until working.
how long does it take to boot after you changed the settings?
How do you get 96gb ram sticks in single rank?
There must be memory chips on both sides of the ram stick right?
There are currently no 96gb dimms. I'm using 24gb dimms 4x 24 = 96gb total.
What if I put them correctly - A1 B1, A2 B2???
Now it works A1A2, B1B2 but does RAM training on each boot which is rather annoying...
If I put them correctly will it work or I shouldn't even bother..?
64 gigs on 4 DIMMs at EXPO - no worries so far, just the high boot times and the remember timings setting in BIOS doesn't work. Doesn't remember the settings and does training on each boot
Maybe a BIOS bug that it does not remember?
I switched them to A1B1, A2B2 and now everything is fine - no more re-training.
@@user-1wy8wu01 guess I will have to do it too, once my second kit comes in.
@@Vash.Baldeus Bear in mind - 64 gigs EXPO in 4x16 the memory controller does without any fuss. So place them correctly and not like he shows in this video. Place them A1B1, A2B2 and you'll be totally fine.
@@user-1wy8wu01 i noticed the 4x16 6000 CL30 with Expo on works fine and reports 6000 no problem
How do I get my bios to look like that? I have an x670e-e as well
get a gigabyte board
bios is specific to the motherboard you purchase, my favorite bios of all of them is probably asrock.
is it worth using place holder cheap ram until cudimm is avalible for amd to run 96gb ram?
No. AMD already supports 96gb of RAM, as shown in the video.
@@GameTechReviews sorry let me clarify, i mean running the cudimm at much faster than 6000, possibly reaching 8000 with 4 sticks?
Hey thanks for the video! Got a question, i want to build a north xl build with the pro art x870e ( i know is not the best x870e mobo) i saw that this mobo failed the 8000 expo validation only running @7600... can i run 4 stick of ddr5 (16gbx4gb) @6000mhz cl30 in this mobo? another question: any mobo that can run 2 stick @8000mhz can run 4 sticks @6000mhz (>96gb) or i got this wrong?
You can run 4 sticks totaling either 64 or 96gb at 6000 reliably. Higher capacities aren't guaranteed. So 128 or 192gb for example, should work at 4800 and 5200 but going beyond that will require lots of manual trial and error based on the video earlier this year.
@@GameTechReviews Hey thank you a lot! so the pro art x870e can run 4 stick 6000 even if it can only run the ddr5 at max 7600?
@@krithlolz Yes because the difficulty of running the memory at high speeds is dependent on the board. The difficulty of running a lot of memory comes down all of the above.
I cant get mine to go past 5000
What cpu cooler is that?
I bought the same kit number of Kingston fury beast recently but a year apart. One kit is sk Hynix and the other is micron despite having the same part number. Total 64Gb so 4 sticks of 16Gb. Two sk Hynix and two micron…….is this going to cause issues?
As long as they are installed correctly (separated by channel) and you manually set them similar to what was shown in the video I see no reason why it won't work.
Very good. Thank you.
What would be a normal speed for 4x16gb ddr4 of kingston fury beast 3600mhz Cl18 (two pairs, similar stuff but different batches)? I'm under the impression that at 3000mhz Cl16 is super stable and 3200 is doable but not THAT stable. Asus tuf b550m and 5950x.
I used to run 4x16gb ddr4 Gskill Ripjaws 3200MT/s with my 5800X on the X570 Crosshair VIII Hero. So for me it was working fine at the XMP speed but that was on a high-end motherboard. I assume it should work but the B550m has me questioning how stable it will be.
I got a cheaper gigabyte board with 7800x3d with 4 16gb of those 6000 gskill sticks that come with a combo and if vsoc is auto it defaults to something high like 1.26-8v. but with manual it can be taken down to 1.15-8v.
If you're running lowered vsoc it's easier to push your fclk to 2200 as well. 7800/9800 fclk/memclk don't have to be in ratio and that nets some gains. The best gains are from low cas and pushed fclk. I was running my 6000's at 2133/6400 and decided to revert back to expo at 6000 (since mem freq has much smaller gains) then reduce vsoc to get fclk to 2200. Once I hit the 1.15 mark 2200 fclk became stable. Eliminated some slight hitches I was getting from 1% lows and smoothed out gaming a good bit.
Now… why would someone need to do this?
What faster? 2 sticks @8000mts?
Or 4 @6000mts?
Don't do 8000mts on zen5, u should do flck as high as possible 2133-2200 if ur lucky and ulck=mlck 6000, 6200 if ur lucky
@@qordari found that 2166 and 2200 fclk was slower than 2000 for me in cs2 and id imagine that 2066 would be better at 6200mts
maybe it's just cs2 tho only game i benchmarked
@@catonturtle3202 Yes u have to up mlck ulck (w the mhz) when u up flck as well 2000flck 3000mlckulck for example for 6000
Awesome
you put ram wrong can couse high boot time,,,, ,,,hold old ram on A ,,,add new ram to B ,,,,,old-new-old-new
Exactly. He contradicted himself by moving the old memory so that be side by side. They just simply on 2 different channels then also idk why people focuses so hard on putting high speed memory on x3d chips. The difference in performance in games is like 0~2% with 8000mhz ram even with well tightened timings. CL30-28 6000mhz will get you the same results and your memory controller will thank you by even allowing you to undervolt the SOC. Saving on idle power for lower idle temps and save on CPU package power for potential higher core clocks which could claw back that (potential) 2% loss by not pushing for the 8000mhz.
It's just as pointless as putting fast ddr4 on Intel's Skylake processors. They were so good and efficient at managing their memory going faster again got you Maby 2% gain by getting the fastest ram on the market at the time.
Exactly! he's never learn anything about electronic or engineering class from university. so I'm gonna dislike this video lol
Actually you guys are wrong about this for ddr5. For ddr4 you would be correct but there have been changes to the way the memory controller trains for timings and communication to the memory sticks.
Actually the X670E Aorus Master, which is the motherboard he is using has a Dimm layout of A1 A2 B1 B2 according to the manual. He is correct in running one kit on channel A (Two left slots) and the other on channel B (Two right slots). Not every motherboard dimm layout is the same. Do some research before criticizing people of doing it wrong.
@@vividdreams6396 did you reply to the wrong thread?
Never use 4 sticks ram,because they will no stable in stock also and U try overclock them.
right, he's just amateur and ignorant person lol
I got lucky with my GSkill 4x16gb with EXPO without any stability issues. Its possible to have 4. Saying never is a bit strong
Hey, the cpus and motherboards are made to run 4 sticks of ram, rest you are just bullshiting.
@ ddr5 is littel complicate. It not like ddr4. You can run 4 sricks ram but you need to by a set of 4 and they must be in the 'memmory QVL' list.
@@BOKLUK_CHOVEKthey don't need to be on the qvl