Was Jesus A Failed Apocalyptic Prophet?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Many argue Jesus predicted He would return in the 1st century and since this did not occur Jesus uttered a false prophecy. But did Jesus really predict His 2nd coming would occur in the 1st century? The answer is neither yes nor no. It is a bit more complicated. A special thanks to Bram Rawlings and Christopher M. Hays for helping to write the script and reviewing the video.
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You do realize that everything that is in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is still Old Testament until Jesus actually dies on the cross, right?
If you don't realize this, then you're NOT rightly dividing the word of truth as stated in 2 Timothy 2:15.
I'm Jesus
@danielblair4413 Actually everything in the NT was old testament until the old testament city was destroyed in 70 ad ( Matt 5: 17-18, Hebrews 8:13)
Old physical city (old Jerusalem) replaced by new heavenly city (new Jerusalem)
You are wrongfully interpreting mark 13:10. In matt 24:14 gospel being preached "in all the world" is in its original Greek the roman world meaning the roman empire in the first century. Paul stated that was fulfilled during his ministry to the gentiles (romans 1:8, 10:18, 16: 26, col 1:6, 1:23)
This is the one argument orthodox Churchianity which is run by zionist operatives (most anyway) use to justify their argument that the end could not have happened in 70 ad. Scofield note on matt 24 stated since the "worldwide preaching of the gospel" had not occurred in that first century, the word "generation" in matt 24:34 could not mean the generation of Christ's day but matt 24 14 DID NOT say the literal world. It said the bible would be preached in all the roman empire which to those people then was the world.
And also you can make all kinds of excuses for all the imminent time statements you want but christ was written in luke to say in 21: 8 not to prematurely declare the end was near. " the end of ALL THINGS is at hand" 1 pet 4:7
You may not see this but you really helped me accept the truth of Jesus Christ being the son of God. Thank you. You allowed me to accept God into my life.
Thank you so much. I’m very grateful my videos helped you.
What about the original Son of God Julius Caezar?
our Father moved things and He merely used your brother as a piece to you coming. He sees everything and connected to everything. He sees and has seen your work
@@jesus.wants.you.2607 🤣🤣 have you ever thought it was weird or maybe just a coincidence that 1 of the 3 Deities to The Canaanites name is also Yahweh🤔
Yahweh was their God of War and was eventually merged into 1 "God" when The Israelites adopted (STOLE) him.
El' , Elohim, and Jehova were merged into 1 "God" and eventually a new deity (Jesus) popped up in the story and he was then merged into Yahweh...strange🤔
That’s part of the polemic. Ie Jesus is Lord as opposed to Caesar. God having a Son originates in the OT. Ie Ps 2.
A special thanks to Bram Rawlings and Christopher M. Hays for helping to write the script and reviewing the video.
You always drop quality content
Could you do videos on Judaism and its criticisms of Christianity?
Bram is the man!
Your work in this episode is one of the worst and these must be your blind guides. Basically, EVERYTHING you have argued in this post is wrong, at least as far as you have attempted to apply it. Sure, prophecy can be conditional, but the prophecies of the Lord and his Apostles are definitive and time-bound and were to be fulfilled notwithstanding the sin of Israel in rejecting him, killing him, killing his Apostles and prophets and sages, and committing the unforgivable sin. The repentance of Israel is not in the old body that killed him, the dead body, the corpse, which was to be, and was, eaten by vultures. That old body was the seed sown into the ground and dying, to raise up the new Israel in a new body, the immortal body, the body of Christ, the kingdom of God, made without hands. It was they who were to be totally shattered (Dan. 12:7) and to suffer the Great Tribulation (Dan. 12:1) and to be broken by the kingdom of God as the feet of iron and clay and blown away like chaff by the wind at the harvest time (Dan. 2) and which was to suffer the rebellion and destruction of and as the Fourth Beast and its "little horn" in Dan. 7 which is killed by the Son of Man coming on the clouds in his kingdom. It is Old Covenant Second Temple Israel that was to suffer the rebellion that cuts of "an anointed one" (i.e. a governor or government of Second Temple Israel) and who would bring war and desolation and the destruction of the Second Temple (Dan. 9). It was Israel that was to become the ancient serpent, Leviathan, the dragon, slain by YHWH's mighty sword when he would come to harvest Israel at the sound of the Great Trumpet, at the destruction of the temple altar and the fortified city of Jerusalem (Is. 27), for shedding human blood on her land (Is. 26:21), "to atone for [YHWH's] land and his people" (Deut. 32). That old body of Israel would be destroyed as the rebels (Is. 66:24) and thereby suffer the fire of Gehenna, and be consumed by worms.
The Lord and the New Testament writers affirmed all this. They did not extend it. They did not modify it. They applied the coming judgement of Daniel, Isaiah, Joel etc. for the last days against their own generation of Israel and her leadership and her kingdom, political institutions and temple. They explicitly said that they were living the Last Days that the Old Testament prophets had predicted. They did not warn of the arrival of the Last Days soon, they said that the Last Days had arrived then, and would be completed soon.
All Israel is saved in the new body, the one body (Eph 4:4), the one "new man" including the grafted-in (naturalised) gentiles (Eph 2). The "one hope" of Christianity (Eph 4:4) was the "hope of Israel" (Acts 28:20), namely:
"And now I stand here on trial because of my hope in the promise made by God to our fathers, to which our twelve tribes hope to attain, as they earnestly worship night and day. And for this hope I am accused by Jews, O king! Why is it thought incredible by any of you that God raises the dead?" (Acts 26:6-8). The Hope of Israel was the resurrection of Israel as a nation (Ez. 37). But that resurrection of Israel would be accompanied by the resurrection of the unjust, as Gog and Magog arise to persecute the true people of God (Ez. 38-39). This persecution is dealt with at the eschatological "THE WAR" of Ez. 38-39, when the persecutors would be fed to the birds of the air. The Lord applied this to Israel of his day and his generation (Mat. 24:28). The wicked would rise up in rebellion (Dan. 12:2) and rise to be condemned, as the initially successful rebellion was put down and destroyed along with the "power of the holy people" after "time, times and half a time" (Dan. 12:7). The New Testament writers affirmed this rebellion (e.g. Mat. 24:7; 2 Thes. 2), when the Abyss (the watery zone under the ground and in the sea) would be unlocked to release the sea monsters, the locusts, called Abaddon and Apollyon (i.e. destruction) Rev. 9:1-9. The beast would arise from the Abyss to reign for 42 months in Jerusalem, which has become Sodom and Egypt (Rev. 11:7-8). The beast would arise from the sea (i.e. the Abyss) to sit on the throne of the ancient serpent, the dragon, to rule for 42 months (Rev. 13). The serpent-dragon is not new, it is ancient, the new power of the beast, sits on the ancient throne of the dragon. The dragon, Israel, had previously had Herod the Great, the "king of Israel" sitting on its throne, when it attempted to kill the infant Christ (Rev. 12). This ancient serpent is thrown into the lake of fire, at the end of the 42 month reign of the rebel government of the beast. This kills the ancient serpent which is Israel, when her temple altar is destroyed and long with her fortified city of Jerusalem, per Is. 27.
Your whole eschatology is totally messed up. You have not recovered the ancient cultural context when political powers and figures are dragons and serpents and sea monsters, and beasts. You have not recovered the ancient cultural context where the coming of YHWH as the Son of Man spells the military and political destruction of the Second Temple and its kingdom and political leadership. Get with the programme of the ancient near eastern apocalyptic and the eschatological narrative of the Old Testament, which the Lord and the New Testament writers affirmed was happening in their day and would be completed in their generation. Delete this video and start again.
@@steviegilliam5685 this
I remember back in college when I first read some of the Greek tragedies and in them there would be a prophecy that something horrible would happen. In the course of the story the protagonist would be doomed to fulfill that prophecy no matter what they did to try to avoid it. I wrote a paper in that class where I compared and contrasted this style of prophecy with conditional prophecy found all over the Old Testament. Considering how foundational Greek culture is to western civilization I wonder if that is where a lot of confusion about how prophecy works comes from.
not just Western civilization, but Christianity itself
That by itself may not be enough, considering that greek civilization (since its christianisation and onwards) moved beyond that way of thinking. Some speculate that this may be due to the fact that christian greek thought used its newfound christian knowledge to interpret their stuff, while western european thought, in having lost and then regained acess to ancient greek litterature, tried to use their newrediscovered ancient greek thought to interpret christian knowledge (Aquinas being a primary example of that).
Do you remember what sources you used? I'm looking into this very thing right now.
@@_thisismeisthatyou9277 Oedipus Rex was the primary source I remember using, I’d start there and the other two plays by Sophocles in that trilogy. I can’t remember the rest of the sources I used, I also used Seneca but I think that was for a different paper.
@@Jon0387 I'm mainly interacting with the Theban Cycle (Oedipus Rex, Colonus, Antigone) and Virgil's Aeneid. I was mainly thinking about secondary sources you may have come across. Thanks!
As a wise man one said: *"The Bible was written for us, but it wasn't written 𝙩𝙤 us."*
To properly understand scripture, we must read & study it in the context it was written in, and Michael you are doing what wonderfully, thank you matey. God bless. >3
Why didn't God write it to us?
Then your god is a bad author 😇
@@benclark4823 How come? ::)
@@benclark4823why? Secular writers intend their work to be understood across generations. But you still need to know European history and culture to understand the details of Romeo and Juliet. Even thought the basic dilemmas of the story happen in various cultures
@@mattr.1887because if you write it in the context of the future it won’t gain traction in ancient times and they just wouldn’t be able to understand it… therefore, it’s be incredibly unintelligent to write a book for the culture and in context of the future. And then the question is posed, why would he write it in our culture and context and not civilization even further in the future?
Instead it makes sense to write it in the context Jesus lived in, to the people he lived with. That way they actually understand and follow it and continue to teach and pass it down throughout the generations.
I've been waiting for this series to drop with about as much expectancy and patience as the first century church. 🙌
Woohoo
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@@InspiringPhilosophy Speaking of first century church.. do you think you'll do a video about Eastern Orthodoxy?
The first Century church goes hard. 🔥🔥🔥
@@catalyst3713 That would have to start in 1000 AD. There was no "Eastern Orthodoxy" before the Great Schism. Not first century at all.
O excellent Michael Jones, I hope you never forget that you have been a blessing to many Christians; by means of God, you have strengthened our faith, and you have been an example to us all. Thank you for all that you have done. May the King of Kings bless you forever and evermore.
Thank you
It can never be that Jesus Christ will fail. He is coming soon on clouds of glory to lift His children up
@@twitherspoon8954 How did Christianity begin with no Jesus?
Even if it weren't soon, He will return. For the Lord 1,000 years is like 1 day. The moment we die comes like a thief and our perception of time is then suspended until the resurrection.
To continue this nonsense of His returning any day now, which He could but no one knows we only know that He will, implies that we should only repent because he is returning in OUR lifetime. Should the countless saints before us have not repented?
As much as you believe what u say……I’m just as certain he isn’t coming again……..
Coming soon for 2000 years and counting. I think we need to download the DLC
@@twitherspoon8954 nope
Thank you for this video. This is one if the most important videos of Christian apologetics. This question was in the back of my mind for a long time.
Thank you for the donation. I’m glad the video helped.
One thing that bothers me is when people say "you better repent because Jesus is returning soon".
We should repent even if He was not returning in our lifetime. So the countless saints all repented in vain? Should they have just continued in a sinful life just because God was not returning in their lifetime?
"It's cool, we still have at least 2 decades until His return so let's act ignorant until the years approaching His return". To the Lord 1,000 years is like 1 day.
Yeah, it's more like your repentance will hasten the coming, not that the coming should hasten repentance
Peter the apostle says "a day with the Lord is as a thousand years, AND a thousand years is as a day." What that's actually saying is that God's concept of time is different from ours since He lives in eternity and we live in time. God has all of creation to fulfill His promises, even if we don't see them being fulfilled in our lifetime. Also the need of repentance is vital whether or not the Lord will return according to our defintion of "soon", because, you know, you can step into eternity in the blink of an eye, and if you haven't repented, it will be too late to do so at that point.
I think it's better to say: "you better repent because you don't know when you're going to die and it could be today and once you die it's too late because you're dead."
2 peter 3:1-7
1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
How necessary for us to repent, seeing we can't bear this world already. Come Lord Jesus
One very interesting thing about this objection is that admits that the gospels have an early origin. Those who think that the gospels were made up at aroung 100 AD can't also think it contains failed prophecies about Christ returning before AD 100. So if they complain about these prophecies, at least they understand that the gospels originate early enough (and are unedited) for the prophecies not being fulfilled early enough to be a problem.
Good Point.
For the Messiah to come, there has to be world peace, all Jews have to live in Israel, and everyone on earth worships the Jewish God. This is the case regardless of when the gospels were written.
@@mattr.1887 plus the temple be rebuilt and a few other things. none of which have happened. Inspiring philosophy is a smart guy but his inability to accept the his religion is not true inevitably makes his videos laughable to anyone who isn’t already a Christian like he is.
critical dating has Mark around 70 70 (not the early as in what Christians refer to like the 40s or 50s) and John was a little before 100AD and just so happens to downplay all the apocalyptic stuff. this is all consistent
@@Stolas1777 Where does it predict a third Temple? When John wrote Revelation he wrote in the very first verse, "The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must SOON take place." and then it says in verse 3 the time is NEAR. Those words meant then exactly what they mean now. John measured the Temple therefore it had to still be standing. Also from the beginning of the siege of Jerusalem to its horrible end it took 3 and 1/2 years.
Daniel's 70th week is not separated from the other 69 weeks it followed them. There will not be a third Temple, nor a seven year tribulation if you're basing it on Daniel's 70th week.
Schweitzer has been real quiet since IP dropped this…
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Once again another master piece.. IP doesn’t miss, God bless this ministry!
Thank you
One theory I've heard is that most of Matthew 24 is talking about the fall of Jerusalem but in Mathew 24:35, when Jesus says heaven and earth may pass away, it is followed by Jesus saying but of that day, no one knows, only the Father. So most of Matthew 24 is mainly about the destruction of the Temple with an aside about the actual end of time, of which no one knows and the only sign will be the sign of Noah. Just a thought.
Yes and no. The Temple has a paramount importance but from 24.4 on we have a whole and long prophecy about the end of times: Jesus gives what will happen and the time lenght within wich the prophecy will be accomplished.
This just answered 100 questions but also raised 100 more in my mind lol. Honestly brought me comfort though, with my million questions and doubts I continue to trust the Lord because I know there are some things I just won’t fully understand and that’s ok.
What if I told you Jesus came back in 70 AD?
@@JJ-xf8xgI’d call you a heretical preterist who’s probably going to start spewing Arianism.
How is preterism heresy? What did Jesus mean when He said He would return in that generation?@@withlessAsbestos
IP, really hope you see this comment. I'm a former full preterist, and when I came across Chris Hayes book "When The Son Of Man Didn't Come" ( recommended by Michael Heiser and all about the conditional nature of Prophecy) it was a game changer. I've wondered your thoughts on this, and as soon as you mentioned Hayes, I got excited and pulled over on the road to leave this comment. Thanks for this!
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it
Are you still Preterist?
I am partial preterist and that seems to be the majority position of the eastern orthodox church.
@@Stepthatway6, sort of. PP typically says that some statements in the NT are about AD70 and others about the second coming. I believe there is only one eschaton in view which was partially fulfilled based on the conditions met.
I may be delayed in responses, but open to any further questions anyone has.
Find me anyone that can intelligently respond to Don K Preston. The man has carried full preterism well past the finish line. He makes everyone look like a child unskilled in the scripture. It's just a pleasure to watch him elegantly display his knowledge in eschatology.
I'm not a theologian but to miss the fact the second coming of Christ can only fit into the first century is willful ignorance. It was obvious to C.S. Lewis and many other bright souls who experienced the same cognitive dissonance. The good news is that Christ's victory has materialised. We can have Oneness with Christ and the Father in Spirit.
@@Willzyx88 , Has DKP ever responded to this book? I saw where David Curtis tried and did a pretty poor job.
I always found it funny how everyone understands these differences such as the Kairos versus the Kronos and yet most don't understand the symbolism of Jesus, "coming on the clouds", during his return. Knowing that clouds represent the presence of God most people would just ignore the implications.
Old Testament comings of God in judgement often included clouds, lightning and fire. Sun, Moon and stars all not working and falling was a direct reference to Joseph's dream in Genesis and any Jew (His audience) would have known that, not the Moon turning red and massive meteor showers. American literalism is silly sometimes.
@@joiedelamoissonjoyofharves5225 I'm working on that too, but I have very little credit card debt, they're for unforeseen emergency expenses. Like I saved to buy tires, but used my credit card to pay for my deductible from when my car was stolen and they stole many of the parts including the windows. Luckily they left the old tires on, not worth much. I wished they'd stole them too, would've saved me $600.😆
This can’t be used against him because he himself said that he didn’t know when he was returning. Btw he was 100% man and 100% God. But due to being 100% man, only the Father at the time had this knowledge of when he would return.
It’s used against him all the time. But he didn’t fail. ❤ And the time was revealed to him by the father - that’s what He passed to John, right? “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place… for the time is near… Surely I am coming soon.” But even before that, saying the day and hour wasn’t known didn’t mean the general timeframe wasn’t known. It’s all over the New Testament that it was near in their time. 🙂 “this generation,” “as you see the day approaching,” “it is the last hour,” “in these last days,” “in a very very little while the one who is coming will come and will not delay,” “you are not in darkness for that day to surprise you like a thief,” “be blameless at the coming of our Lord,” “you are our glory and joy at his coming,” “those who are about to inherit salvation,” “forty years…generation,” “hold firm to the end,” “have tasted the powers of the age about to come,” “on the verge of being cursed,” “show diligence.. to the very end,” “what is obsolete and growing old will soon disappear,” “Christ.. about to appear a second time,” “he who has promised is faithful,” “provoke one another to love.. as you see the Day approaching...” That was all written to a specific group of people. We vindicate Christ when we take him at his word. ❤
@@heartsandmindsathome
Amen my friend ❤
Partial preterism, a view of eschatology held by a majority of Christianity until the 1850's, solves all these problems without compromising the holy text.
"Prophesy is not so much a prediction as a warning and call to repentance (and return) to God."
Absolutely! 🙏
Maybe if your god stop playing “”hide and seek”” we wouldn’t be having this conversation 😒
@@benclark4823
Not "my god" but God!
Psalm 27: 7&8
"Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice! Have mercy also upon me, and answer me. When You said, “Seek My face,” My heart said to You, “Your face, LORD, I will seek.”
Seek God and you will find the LORD.
@@eswn1816 psalm 82 👈🙄
King James Version
[82] God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 😇👉😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇
@@eswn1816witch “”god”” There are several gods mentioned in the Bible.
In the book of Genesis, God used a plural pronoun to refer to himself (herself, itself, or themselves), implying that there is more than one god up there.
And God said, let [[us]] make man in our image. Genesis 1:26
And the Lord God said, Behold, then man is become as one of [[us]], to know good and evil. Genesis 3:22
Let [[us]] go down, and there confound their language. Genesis 11:7
The Old Testament God is a "god of gods" who is worshiped by the [[other gods]]..…
For the LORD your God is [[God of gods]], and [[Lord of lords]]. Deuteronomy 10:17
Worship him, all ye [[gods]]. Psalm 97:7
O give thanks unto the God of gods. Psalm 136:2
No [[other]] god is like him.
Among the [[gods]] there is none like unto thee, O Lord. Psalm 86:8
He is better than the other gods.
Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the [[gods]]? Exodus 15:11
Now I know that the LORD is greater than all [[gods]]. Exodus 18:11
Thou shalt have no other [[gods]] before me. ... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to [[them]], nor serve them. Exodus 20:3-5
What [[God]] is there in heaven or in earth, that can do according to [[thy]] works? Deuteronomy 3:24
Great is our God above all [[gods]]. 2 Chronicles 2:5
Our Lord is above all [[gods]]. Psalm 135:5
The other [[gods]] will die someday.
The [[gods]] that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. Jeremiah 10:11
The Hebrew God judges the other [[gods]].
And against all the [[gods of Egypt]] I will execute judgment. Exodus 12:12
Upon [[their gods]] also the LORD executed judgments. Numbers 33:4
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth among the [[gods]]. Psalm 82:1
And will punish [[them]].
I will punish the multitude of No, and Pharaoh, and Egypt, with their [[gods]]. Jeremiah 46:25
The Lord will be terrible to them: for he will famish all the [[gods of the earth]]. Zephaniah 2:11
He is a jealous God (whose name is Jealous). So he forbids us to "go after" or worship any of his [[competitors]].
For thou shalt worship no other [[god(s)]]: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. Exodus 34:14
Ye shall not go after other [[gods]], of the [[gods of the people which are round about you]]; (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you.) Deuteronomy 6:14-15
Thou shalt not ... go after other [[gods]] to serve them. Deuteronomy 28:14
If you give God glory, he'll go easy on you and all your other [[gods]].
Ye shall give glory unto the God of Israel: peradventure he will lighten his hand from off you, and from off your [[gods]]. 1 Samuel 6:5
And go not after other [[gods]] to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt. Jeremiah 25:6
But you must fear God more than all the other [[gods]].
The Lord ... is to be feared above all [[gods]]. 1 Chronicles 16:25
For the Lord ... is to be feared above all [[gods]]. Psalm 96:4
Don't sacrfifice to any of the other [[gods]]. (Or God will kill you.)
He that sacrificeth unto [[any god]], save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. Exodus 22:20
Don't put any of the other [[gods]] before him.
Thou shalt have none other [[gods]] before me. Deuteronomy 5:7
Don't make a covenant with [[them]].
Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with [[their gods]]. Exodus 23:32
Don't burn incense to them.
I will utter my judgments against them ... who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other [[gods]]. Jeremiah 1:16
Or even mention their names.
Make no mention of the name of other [[gods]], neither let it be heard out of thy mouth. Exodus 23:13
Put away your father's [[gods]].
Fear the Lord ... and put away the [[gods]] which your fathers served. Joshua 24:14
And stay away from the [[god named Chemosh]].
Wilt not thou possess that which [[Chemosh thy [[god]] giveth thee]] to possess? Judges 11:24
But don't revile the other [[gods]].
Thou shalt not revile the [[gods]]. Exodus 22:28
Other people served other [[gods]] (as did Abraham's father Terah).
Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other [[gods]]. Joshua 24:2
And a witch once saw [[gods]] going up to heaven.
And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw [[gods]] ascending out of the earth. 1 Samuel 28:13
Always remember that people are [[gods]] too. (Jesus used this when he was accused of making himself a god.)
I have said, Ye are [[gods]]. Psalm 82:6
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, [[makest thyself God]]. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are [[gods]]? John 10:33-34
And the [[three gods in heaven]] are really only one god. (Don't worry about this one too much. It's a mystery.)
For [[there are three]] that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
@@benclark4823
One name: YHVH
The rest are titles
But Paul said the Gospel was proclaimed all over the world in colossians 1:23. What happens is the Parousia is misinterpreted: it's not the second coming of Christ. It's the judgement of the first century Israel on 70 aD.
Yes exactly
@@Entropy423Noo , cuz the second coming didn't occur and the signs of cosmos didn't happend , and no judgement for works they done ....
U trying to hard hard not say Jesus was wrong
@@Moodboard39 read the Jewish Wars by Josephus please.
@@Moodboard39 Jesus wasn't wrong. Christians are.
Glory be to the Father,
and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning,
is now,
and ever shall be,
world without end.
Amen.
So you believe God (Yahweh) sacrifice Himself (Jesus who is also Yahweh) to Himself (Yahweh) to change a rule He (Yahweh) made Himself for a quote unquote “”crime”” we didn’t commit??? 🙄
@@NickNameMatterso you say the rules haven’t changed right? Such as::🙄👉
Note all of these {used} 👈😨👉 to merit death in ancient times; however, with the destruction of the second Jewish temple, the Jewish Sanhedrin courts all but abolished the death penalty. In Israel (where Judaic religious courts still exist), capital punishment is allowed only during wartime and only for genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and treason (and has been employed only twice: against Meir Tobianski, who was later found out to be innocent, and against Adolf Eichmann, who deserved it).
Sexual acts::
>>Having homosexual intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13).
>>Committing adultery between a man and a woman (Leviticus 20:10-12, Deuteronomy 22:22).
>>Lying about virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21).
>>Being one of the majority of women who don’t bleed when losing their virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21).
>>Being the daughter of a priest and practicing prostitution (Leviticus 21:9).
>>Raping an engaged female virgin (Deuteronomy 22:25).
>>If an engaged female virgin, being raped in a city (Deuteronomy 22:23-27).
>>Being male and practicing bestiality (Leviticus 20:15).
>>Being female and practicing bestiality (Leviticus 20:16).
>>Having sex with your father’s wife (Leviticus 20:20).
>>Having sex with your daughter-in-law (Leviticus 20:30).
>>Having incestual sex (Leviticus 20:17).
>>Marrying a woman and her daughter (Leviticus 20:14).
>>Having sex with a woman who is menstruating (Leviticus 20:18).
A few of these crimes demand that the "sinners" be burned to death rather than stoned to death, the more usual form of capital punishment. One can wonder why these crimes in particular merit this especially horrible fate.
Food and drink::
>>Consuming blood (Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:10).
>>Eating a cheeseburger or anything that mixes meat and dairy (Exodus 23:19).
>>Sacrificing anything with yeast or honey (Leviticus 2:11).
>>Eating leavened bread (bread with yeast) during the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Exodus 12:15).
>>Eating fat (Leviticus 3:17).
>>Eating pork (Leviticus 11:7-8).
>>Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices (Leviticus 19:5-8).
>>Eating aquatic creatures lacking fins or scales (Deuteronomy 14:9-10).
>>Eating any meat not killed according to the Kosher practice (Deuteronomy 12:21).
>>Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean (Leviticus 7:20).
Religious::
>>Being a male who is not circumcised (Genesis 17:14).
>>Trying to convert people to another religion (Deuteronomy 13:1-11, Deuteronomy 18:20).
>>Worshiping idols (Exodus 22:20, Leviticus 20:1-5, Deuteronomy 17:2-7).
>>Practicing magic (Exodus 22:18).
>>Blaspheming (Leviticus 24:14-16,23).
>>Breaking the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36).
>>Consulting a psychic or spiritualist (Leviticus 19:31).
>>Being a psychic, medium, or spiritualist (Leviticus 20:27).
>>Astrology or astrolatry (Deuteronomy 4:19, Jeremiah 10:2).
>>Being a town that believes in another, non-YHWH god (Deuteronomy 13:12-15).
>>Giving one of your descendants to Molech (Leviticus 20:2).
>>Not being a priest and going near the tabernacleWikipedia when it is being moved (Numbers 1:51).
>>Being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5, Deuteronomy 18:20, Zechariah 13:2-3).
>>Performing any work on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10).
>>Going to the temple in an unclean state (Numbers 19:13).
>>Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple (Leviticus 17:1-9).
>>Manufacturing anointing oil (Exodus 30:33).
>>Violent and legal crimes::
>>Murdering a slave (Exodus 21:20).
>>Kidnapping and selling a man (Exodus 21:16).
>>Perjuring yourself (in certain cases) (Deuteronomy 19:15-21).
>>Ignoring the judgment of a judge or a priest (Deuteronomy 17:8-13).
>>Not constraining a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman (Exodus 21:29).
Parenting::
>>Striking your parents (Exodus 21:15).
>>Cursing your parents (Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9).
>>Being a stubborn, rebellious, profligate, and drunkard son (Deuteronomy 21:18-21).
Daily life::
>>Planting more than one kind of seed in a field (Leviticus 19:19).
>>Wearing clothing woven of more than one kind of cloth (Leviticus 19:19).
>>Cutting the hair on the sides of your head or clipping of the edges of your beard (Leviticus 19:27).
>>Touching the dead carcass of a pig (Deuteronomy 14:8).
>>Dressing across gender lines (Deuteronomy 22:5).
>>Cutting your bodies for the dead or putting tattoo marks on yourself (Leviticus 19:28).
Things that don’t go anywhere else::
>>Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites (Deuteronomy 20:12-14).
New Testament::
Although many - probably most - Christians maintain the New Testament ultimately served as an abrogation of the stricter forms and practices of the Mosaic Law, it did codify a few new prohibitions unstated in the text of the Old Testament.
Note that none of these can be demonstrated to have been said by Jesus himself - indeed, as nobody was taking notes when Jesus was speaking, we have no real way of knowing what Jesus may have said about these things. For that matter, there is even debate about whether Jesus even existed.
However, it is also worth noting that, notwithstanding certain episodes where he is claimed to have interpreted laws in a relaxed way (e.g., the Sabbath working law), Jesus did not explicitly say the old laws were now invalid, and dispensations from following them largely came as a result of the spread of Christianity to non-Jews by Paul of Tarsus.
On the contrary, 😇👉Jesus endorses Mosaic Law in (Matthew 5:18), where he says, "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
>>Food and drink [New Testament]::
>>Consuming strangled things and blood (Acts 15:20).
Slaves::
>>Disobedience (Ephesians 6:5).
Women::
>>Speaking in church (if also a woman) (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).
>>Homosexual intercourse between women (Romans 1:26).
>>For a woman to pray without covering her head (1 Corinthians 11:5).
>>Teach (or possibly only teaching men)(1 Timothy 2:12).
Men::
>>Homosexual intercourse between men (Romans 1:27).
>>Praying with their head covered (1 Corinthians 11:4).
@@NickNameMatters Benny down bad 😂
Oh my Jesus, forgive our sins and saves from the fire of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most need of thine divine mercy, Amen
@@benclark4823well Jesus was 100% man at the same time being 100% God. So when He sacrificed Himself to God, His sacrifice becomes our sacrifice since He is reconciled to us in His incarnation. That’s 1. 2, I have no clue what you’re asking. Undoing a crime we didn’t commit? You mean sin? We do sin? Idk what you’re talking about
I think this problem is solved simply by understanding, partial preterism. There’s a difference in “comings”
One is speaking of the judgment of Jerusalem, and one is speaking of the end times. This is typical judgment language used all throughout the Old Testament.
Partially correct. The Lord came in AD70. But this coming was a second coming, which is for salvation, Heb. 9:28. There is no third coming in the scripture.
@@hillaryfamily
Is there an end of time?
Because this is what I believe the next coming is interpreted as.
@@hillaryfamily
It’s almost a preterist/idealist, or spiritual view of eschatology.
@@Stepthatway6 there is no end of time, only the time of the end. “While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.” Gen. 8:22.
In the new creation, in the new heavens and the new earth, there is still time, birth and death, Is. 65:20. Although died and resurrected individuals may not be married, nor marry or give in marriage, individuals who are alive in the age to come do marry and give in marriage. Time and seasons and months continue in the new creation, Rev. 22:1-2. As does evil and evildoers. And the healing of the nations. And evangelism. And weeks and months, Is. 66:23
@@Stepthatway6 it is called covenant eschatology. The end is not the end of time or the end of history, it is the end of the old covenant economy. The old covenant is or becomes the covenant of death, the covenant with death, Is. 28. The strong covenant, Dan. 9:24-27. This covenant was to be ended, terminated, broken, annulled, dissolved, divorced.
By the same line of reasoning, we could argue that Jesus won't ever come back if the conditional requirements aren't ever fulfilled.
No, the prophecy is certain that he will return. It just declines to give a timeline, a similar thing happens in Daniel when he is talking about the 70 weeks.
@@withlessAsbestosoh then we are delayed by Alot!
But for hope will lead us.
He is here...
Saying we’re delayed is making a presumption that God had a specific times in mind and that things are running late. But no, Good knows exactly when these things will happen, so it’s not that he’s delayed, he already knows when the conditions are going to be met. Don’t take the 70 weeks from Daniel’s prophecy and think that applies to this prophecy as well, it’s a massive leap.
Yep. But they will be because humans are humans and it always happens anyway.
For the first 15 minutes I felt this was going to be less convincing than your other videos, but turns out my assumption was wrong! Wonderful work, once more!
I’m 7 minutes in and my presumption of the prophecy is already affirmed. I find the beliefs I had of God as a child were more true than what I’ve formed as an adult, not sure y that is, but you’ve put words to the feelings I had when I was young and helped me now realize I was right in my beliefs instead of naïve as I thought.
I was amused by some literature (can't remember the name) which had a minor plot of Jesus returning during the 60's and people of authority (police) liking Him as much as the ones He had to deal with the first time around.
He came as a man the first. Coming back as God the second time. But I can understand the amusement.
Was it godspell or something else?
@@brieannajones2667 I think it was Good Omens by Terry Pratchett
Ohh lately I’ve been hoping IP does a video on this. Excellent timing!
One of my favorite videos you've ever done! Please do more on prophecy!
Thank you, more planned this month
The phrase “the kingdom of heaven is within you” is found in Luke 17:20-21 in the New Testament of the Bible. In this passage, Jesus was asked by some Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come. Jesus answered that God’s kingdom was coming, but not in a way that they would be able to see with their eyes. He said that people would not say, “Look, here it is!” or “There it is!” because God’s kingdom is within you.
But make other reference it will come
That is an outdated translation. You should look at a more modern translation that says that the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.
Imagine still thinking that Jesus "never existed" in 2023
Bc there zero evidence of Jesus with no outside sources only Bible written by unknown authors & paul who NEVER MET JESUS
No need to imagine it. Millions of people do not believe in a historical "Jesus", at least not the one described in the Gospels as having supernatural powers, or they just don't care one way or the other.
Imagine believing a story that a man calling himself the “”son of god”” walked on water and turned water into wine and resurrecting people (and apparently himself) from the dead and that a blood sacrifice was NEEDED to appease such a unforgiving deity (that was somehow the guy HIMSELF) because it was said in a book written decades AFTER the fact and hypercritically not believing the Koran for the same basis because the SAME book says that all the books that aren’t in the Bible aren’t cannon 😇
@@benclark4823 imagine fuming over the fact that one person existed to the point where you you miss the point of the post.
@@SquizzMe “”imagine”” millions of people in the 21 century with access to the internet believing that the Bible is 100% true “”words”” of Yahweh/Jesus/holy ghost????? and not at all myth or legend! 🤦♂️
Very interesting perspective! Thanks for providing a reply to this objection that I had never heard or considered before.
By this definition, prophesy is unfalsifiable. If you can't prove it didn't happen, how can you prove it did.
You can't point to hypothetical evidence that would prove you wrong and isn't there, because there is no evidence, even hypothetical, that could prove you wrong.
That’s fine. I don’t use prophecy as evidence for Christianity.
@@InspiringPhilosophy I can respect that. Which gospel do you believe then?
11 The Pharisees came and began to question Jesus. To test him, they asked him for a sign from heaven. 12 He sighed deeply and said, “Why does this generation ask for a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to it.” 13 Then he left them, got back into the boat and crossed to the other side. Mark
But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew
54 He said to the crowd: “When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say, ‘It’s going to rain,’ and it does. 55 And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It’s going to be hot,’ and it is. 56 Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time? Luke
Then Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe.”
John
@@dairyqueue he did many signs and wonders that werent prophecy
We can prove some things did happen. We can prove early prophesy was fulfilled thousands of years later by Jesus. By that logic, it makes sense the final prophesy won't be fulfilled until thousands of years more, and under the conditions he stated would happen first. So when Israel and Judaism as a whole recognizes Jesus was the savior from all their prophesy, their isn't much more left to happen before the end.
To put it a different way, if I say there will be a hurricane that will kill everyone in Florida soon when the terrorists in Israel are kicked out, you obviously wouldn't expect a hurricane to kill everyone until the terrorists are gone. That doesn't mean their won't be other hurricanes and such. But the big one won't happen until then. You will know if it's true when Israel does it. But if I had predicted similar things in the past and had been right every single time, then it would follow I am right this time right? How long it takes to do it isn't a factor in it being true. It will happen when the conditions are met.
Sounds like special pleading for Jesus.
Except for all the other examples he listed where prophecies were conditional? Idk man
Really good, thanks IP. Your inclusion of citations is always appreciated and sets you apart on youtube.
He returned in 70AD. He has returned. Many missed his first coming and now we are insensitive to his second. Look up Don K Preston, no one can beat him in debate about covenant eschatology.
Did apostle John missed it
So, clear and needed. Understanding apocalyptic literature / language and its nature is so important to understanding Scripture. And that much language was used to emphasize a major shift or change culturally or nationally that would impact people in a major way. I believe we have to understand that people of the 1st century did see the end of the age and a major event and that was the destruction of the temple. We can’t really fathom how that event fulfilled prophecy, shook and ended the Jewish system of worship. That was a major judgment on the rejection of the Son of God by Israel. Unfortunately so many preachers / teachers have only a one sided view of this and many are dispensationalist and that is an issue in itself because it is totally inflexible and in many cases incompatible with Scripture. Moving away from fatalistic view of the faith and relationship with God renewed my faith dramatically!
This is interesting. Right now I'm trying to figure out if I can reconcile this with Calvinism, which I hold to. I think it's possible for the future to be conditional from our perspective even if it's not conditional from God's
I don’t see how this would be a problem at all for Calvinism.
Thomist theologians say that God uses the instrumental cause of our prayers to predestine people to heaven. Perhaps this is compatible with Calvinism or at least some forms of it.
(An example of the instrumental cause is me writing with a pen, the pen being the instrumental cause of the writing.)
Predestination doesn’t fit with Christianity or this understanding of prophecy
U have to be a dispensationist....John Calvin was wrong
@@somebodysomewhere5571 yea
Praise the Lord for He is Great!
Spectacular video as always, very in-depth and well researched!
Thank you
The simplest answer is that the early gospel writers, especially Matthew, writing before 70 AD, put the words of Jesus together not realizing that the destruction of the Temple wasn't the same as the second coming. Jesus words of this "generation" refers to the fall of Jerusalem, not his second coming. There is no need to equivocate the meaning of prophesy. It was true that the generation didn't pass before Jerusalem fell at the hands of the Romans. He simply wasn't referring to the second coming at all. The early church simply out the logia together that gave that impression because it was not conceivable for them that the fall of Jerusalem and the second coming were not concomitant.
The simplest answer when people say "this prophecy means something slightly different than we initially thought" is that this is cope and recalibration
Otherwise you lose the whole point of "making novel predictions that only a god could come up with that isnt just humans and their optical illusions"
I personally think Christians should to take Preterist Eschatology a bit more seriously.
Amen!!
This! I wrote a comment as well covering some points and counterpoints.
Partial preterist Postmillennial not full preterism.
@@pipinfresh let's pray that's what he ment
Nah to the partial preterism. That’s still futurism.
I think Jesus was arrested at a time when it was easy to arrest him, ie. when his prophecy was considered to have failed by the community he lived in. The same problem befell John the Baptist, failure of prophecy in the eyes of the community left them vulnerable.
Whether of not Jesus was correct, he was considered wrong, and this meant the community would not stand by him as his enemies moved against him.
Excellent video. One thing I take issue with is when some interpreters assume that the "all these things" that Jesus said were to be fulfilled before "this generation" passes away in Matt. 24:34 includes the second coming.
A careful reading of the previous two verses, Matt 24:32-33, shows that the "all these things" Jesus spoke about being fulfilled in "this generation" were the signs that would LEAD UP TO the second coming - Matt 24:33 refers to the second coming as the "know that He is near, at the door" part of the sentence.
Then Jesus goes on to say a few sentences later that no one knows when the second coming will be, the day or the hour. So He never said His coming would be in that generation, only that the signs leading up to His return would be fulfilled in their generation - which I believe happened in and around 70AD. His full bodily return is still to come.
I personally think there will be a double fulfillment of the olivet prophecies and the book of Revelation - one at 70AD without the Second Coming and another that perfectly fulfills all the details of Revelation in the future, which will include Christ's return.
No, he was pretty it was near ..and even told high priest he would seen him...and the book of revelation all eyes would see him ....
How ?. They been dead for 2000 years ...and they saw none of those signs Jesus spoke about ...
Even Paul believe he would return ...nothing ...explain that
@@Moodboard39 then why many times in his epistles Paul thought he would die and be with the lord (Philippians 1, 2 Corinthians 5)?
@@connerdozier6689 I'll have to look it up. If true, wouldn't get a contridicition??
@@connerdozier6689 what about the angels? Telling the apostle Jesus would return? When Jesus was leaving? Caught in the clouds? The same way they see him leave same way he would return.? They saw it? No
Excellent video! Let's preach the gospel to all nations!
Wait until you see the next video.
@@InspiringPhilosophy wohooo
Colossians 1:23 if indeed you remain grounded and steadfast in the faith and are not shifted away from the hope of the gospel that you heard. This gospel has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and I, Paul, have become a servant of it.
@@InspiringPhilosophy I think that Jesus was talking about the Abomination of Desolation in the Gospels. Which could be the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD.
Great topic, can't wait for the premiere
If Jesus was referring specifically to the transfiguration I wonder why he bothered to mention a time frame given his return would have been in less than a week.
Its possible its in the same way he said "destroy this temple, I will build it up in 3 days" he meant his body, and it was a short time frame
@@PizzaFvngsit happend, but the second coming didn't... Big difference
Wow - seriously deep. Also, shows how important the ANE viewpoint is so important. Scripture is written FOR us, but it was written TO the people of the day. (H/t Dr. Heiser)
Absolutely fantastic video. The way you are able to compile and condense so much historical knowledge is incredible! You are a blessing!
Wow, thank you!
@@InspiringPhilosophy Yoooooo
So it's kind of like when you play a teamwork game and one person is lazy, so you get frusturated and wait till they finally start cooperating with the group?
God bless you IP; I will be sure to share this video. Peace be with you brother.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with your take on this one.
It's true that old testament prophets gave warnings, (like Jonah), and if those that heard, changed their ways, the prophesied disaster would not take place, but that's not the same kind of prophecy Jesus is giving in Mark 13. Nor was He saying that the generation He was currently speaking to, would be the generation that would see His return.
Jesus wasn't prophesying doom... He was answering the direct question of His followers... (WHEN will these things occur?).
Jesus listed several events that would precede His return. The abomination that leads to desolation, the shaking of the heavenly bodies, earthquake, the sun and moon losing brightness, (all of which parallel opening the 7 seals in Revelation).
Jesus wasn't saying that the generation of people He was currently talking to, wouldn't pass away before He returned... He was saying that the generation that witnessed these signs, would not pass away before His return.
This is similar to the misunderstanding in John 21:23. It's not Jesus making a conditional prophesy that didn't come true, it was that those that heard it, misunderstood which generation Jesus was talking about.
At least, that's how I've always interpreted those scriptures.
Good video will share it with my mates also just finished watching your Tolkien video please do more commentary on such pieces of pop culture to diversify the content on the channel and so normies can engage more with the channel. Big up Michael and keep up the great work God bless! 🙏 👍
I will think about it, thank you
@@InspiringPhilosophy Nah bruv thank you, I almost apostatized a while ago until I watched your theistic evolution videos and your shorts refuting dawahgandists. God has really used you to help me and I'm sure you've done the same for many others. Thanks man honestly.
Partial Preterism explains this perfectly. The judgment coming of Christ did occur in 70 A.D. which is distinct from the final return of Christ that is to occur at the end of the great age of ages, and that's how they described it. The era we are in now.
“For the group, prophecy does not fail. It is simply misunderstood.” Case and point.
How convenient.
Ohh smart guy ...u got a better explanation
Peter's message and the message of Luke in Acts is “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” (Acts. 2:40). This crooked generation was the generation of Deut. 32, the final generation of Israel, upon whom would come the judgement of Joel 2 and Deut. 32. The Lord and Peter and Paul identified the Jews of their time, and in particular their leadership, as the crooked, perverse generation which would receive the final judgement. The message to save oneself out of judgement is the same as the Lord said: "“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written." (Luke 21:20-22) The judgement would not be delayed or averted, so they should save themselves from it by getting out in time. The days of vengeance would happen when the appointed time came, and all that had written would be fulfilled.
Thank you, always learn new things from your videos, very valuable insights and information!
What’s with a 30 minute video defending an obvious failed prophecy?
Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
It’s been 2000 years and nobody can find this guy.
Prophecy failed.
you know...looking back on it all... for a "failed apocalyptic prophet"...Jesus seems fairly successful...
@@polystrate1 I mean one tends to be successful when one makes converts at the tip of the sword.
@@gaiusoctavius5935 LOL
@@polystrate1Muhammad isn't even a prophet lol
@@polystrate1 But Muhammad didn't claim that he would come back a second time and that he will righteously judge all of mankind. Even Muhammad said in the Quran that Jesus will return at the final hour to judge all.
@@polystrate1 LOL false Christianity was preached by John, peter, Paul and many other apostles not by sword like Islam which killed everyone
*Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"*
*Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."*
Everyone then according to Holy Scripture was waiting be Rescued. Hence the many quotes as "We who are alive and remain will be caught up." Your argument for the Status Quo will not change Scripture.
Gods promises never fails
It's not a promise if it's conditional.
As a minor note: make sure you dont confuse Jesus' warning about the destruction of the temple with the day of His return.
This interpretation does not make sense. Jesus said that generation would not pass away until all those things would be fulfilled. Repeatedly, the biblical writers said they were at the end or the age. And John said it was the last hour.
Exactly, this interpretation and other interpretations use mental gymnastics to try to convince people Jesus hasn't returned, when the truth is He already did.
@@jcm3587what do you even mean by that
Matthew 16:27-28
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
So why did you leave out the eschatological context of verse 27 ? how is that related to the transfiguration that supposedly happened a week after the prophecy was given ?
What even is the point of saying "some who are standing here will not taste death" if it refers to something that will happen next week in which all of them were still alive ?
Well, if the prophecy is not about the Transfiguration, then why did the Gospel writer put it? If the prophecy is against Jesus, why did the writer of the gospel put it, because he should set the prophecies that have been fulfilled and not the prophecies that have not been fulfilled. ) Because if the prophecy was not fulfilled at that time, why did this Bible writer (who was always in a state of doubt) believe in a prophecy that did not come true?? We know that the disciples of Christ do not believe until they see the miracle, you can easily notice it.
@@FatmaAlsrajy-xc9yn Because the gospel authors also believed that he is coming in their lifetime ? Because it was yet to be falsified since they were still in the 1st century ?
the re-interpretation of the clear falsifiable prophecy only came by the start of the 2nd century or the end of the 1st century with 2 Peter and gJohn trying to make excuses of why this did not happen, this is why you will notice that all the failed prophecies were in the synoptics and the Pauline epistles.
> "We know that the disciples of Christ do not believe until they see the miracle"
That's an assertion you don't know anything about the disciples of Jesus since all the writings you have either come from Paul or anonymous Greek speaking authors to Greek audience.
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واووووووو، اسخف ادعاء بالعالم اتوقع انك متعرفش الغرب فين وصل في المسيحية وانتوا فين لما رحت اشوف الغرب بيتكلموا ايه اتوقعت انهم بيتناقشوا في حاجات زي "هل صلب المسيح فعلا" ومن الكلام ده زي ما بيصوروا عندنا، بس لا لا والف لا، اصلا صلب المسيح دي حقيقة تاريخية انصدمت جدا لما سمعت الكلام دا، وكمان مكانش دا كلام مسيحيين لا كلام ملحدين زي بارت ايرمان، وطلع صلب المسيح مسلم به تاريخيا بس انتوا راح تبقوا تتخانقوا مع بعضكم على حاجات انتهت خلاص 🤣🤣🤣, في الغرب واصلين تتأكد من قبر المسيح الفارغ ومسلمين لسا يتناقشوا اذا صلب المسيح أم لا،
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ههههههههههههه، كلام أحمد سبيع بالضبط كالعاده عايشين في المريخ مره تانيه روح شوف المؤرخين الغربيين"الحقيقيين" بيقولوا ايه دي أقدم حاجة تقريبا بقى محدش يجادل هناك بأن كتبة اناجيل(متى،مرقس،لوقا) مجهولين انقرض الدعاء دا عشان الأدلة دامغة وكل الحوارات في الغرب قائمة على انو دول كتبوا الأناجيل بقى بس انجيل يوحنا الي حاول يشكك فيه بارت ايرمان بس المسيحيين دحضوا اكتر من مره، يعني حتى دا مش ضابط 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ruclips.net/video/9K4j7LQOy-c/видео.html
@@FatmaAlsrajy-xc9yn أولا اجماع كل المختصين على ان الاناجيل مش مكتوبه من شهود عيان والكتبه مجهولين ، ده مش كلام احمد سبيع ده برضو كلام بارت ايرمان اللي انت بتستشهد بيه وديل اليسون اللي صاحب الفيديو بيستشهد بيه.
ثانيا ادله الصلب كلها عباره عن ايمان مسيحيين في القرن الاول بصلب المسيح والمؤرخين بيطبقوا مبدأ الاحراج في اثباته يعني مش الادله هو شهود عيان او ادله اركيولوجيه كل الادله هي ان الناس كانت مؤمنه بكده وده شيء محرج ليهم يبقى المرجح انه صلب يعني مش حاجه مثبته 100% لأن مفيش حاجه في التاريخ اسمها لا جدال فيها اصلا لأنها كلها تابعه للترجيح وفقا للمعايير النسبيه اللي المؤرخين بيطبقوها والمؤرخين نفسهم عارفين ده كويس،
وده بالمناسبة مينافيش الايه في القرأن لأن الأيه قالت ان اللي اختلفوا في المسيح اتبعوا ظنهم في صلبه بما فيهم اتباع المسيح وارجع لكلام شيخ الاسلام في ده فده يعني ان كلام المؤرخين في تاريخية الحدث هو مبني على ظن المعاصريين.
ثالثا، بارت ايرمان اللي انت بتستشهد بيه نفسه بينفي تاريخية القبر الفارغ ومايك ليكونا الدفاعي المسيحي قال ان القبر الفارغ مش حقيقة تاريخية ثابته عشان كده هو وجاري هابيرماس مبقوش يستخدموها.
رابعا، مين ده اللي مش بيجادل ان الكتبه مجهولين ؟ حرفيا لا يوجد مؤرخ واحد غير مسيحي بينسب الاناجيل للتلاميذ انت حضرتك محتاج بحث اكتر.
خامسا، ممكن رد على الكلام ؟ لو كان المسيح هو الله ازاي يتنبأ كل النبؤات دي هو وبولس والنبوؤات تفشل كلها بالشكل المحرج ده ؟
وبما انك بتتكلم عن المؤرخين احب انبهك ان في اجماع من المؤرخين على ان بولوس والمسيح حسب العهد الجديد تنبأوا بنهاية العالم في زمانهم وفشلوا زيهم زي اي حد تنبأ بنهاية العالم في عصرهم وما بعده و المؤرخين دول بما فيهم ديل اليسون المسيحي اللي الفيديو بيستشهد بيه
سادسا، قلل شويه من الايموجي عشان انا مش داخل اسخر منك.
Congratulations, you’ve made prophecy completely unfalsifiable.
Prophecy didn’t occur in a given time frame = delayed fulfillment
Prophecy kinda half way happened = partial fulfillment
Prophecy didn’t happen at all = conditional fulfillment
Or
prophecy hasn’t come true yet = future fulfillment
Is there anyway a prophecy could be shown to fail?
By his logic Deuteronomy 18:21-22 criteria of false prophets has to be the msot useless criteria in human history 😅
When he told the high priest he would see him coming in the clouds ...did he say that ?? No!
Jesus also said to his disciples they would have not finish into all the town of a of Israel until the son of man come ...
Did they finish ?
Angels told the disciples same Jesus u seen go up would return like matter....did they see that ?? No...
Superb content! So thoroughly explained. Sheds tons of light. Thank you, for the research and sharing ‼️
Preterism is the simplest and more reasonable explanation
BoolSheet! Y’all just making excuses for failed proclamations and false prophecies!
Was the prophecies of Him being crucified and raising 3 days later dependent on the people’s actions faith belief etc?
Utter nonsense!
Jesus’s prophecies failed and y’all damage controlling
Christ did return in AD70. He and His Apostles were explicit that the end would occur within their lifetimes.
It was never about the judgment of the entire world as we pressume but the judgment and end of the old covenant world.
The 'delay' was approximately 40 years. Hence why there were scoffers when Peter wrote his epistles.
True.
“”Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.””
-Jesus telling people to trash the Old Testament as a whole (Matthew 5:17)-
"But that was the Old Testament!" is the claim that God was a mean drunk in the Old Testament but turned over a new leaf in the New Testament (and so Christians need not defend the horrific God of the Old Testament). Similarly, the claim that the law of Jesus superceded the law of Moses is used to absolve Christians of the duty to carry out Mosaic law.
The claim is a favorite tactic of Christian apologists when confronted with the violence and bigotry of the Bible. This claim faces two major problems: first, that the Bible and Jesus themselves disagree; and second that (although the New Testament is much less gruesome than the Old Testament) the New Testament still features violence and bigotry.
@benclark4823 This literally has nothing to do with anything. How many times have you copied and pasted these absurd lies? In fact, I’m willing to bet you stole it from a Richard Carrier book or something.
It seems to me, that such strong emphasis on conditionality of prophesy, with possibility of reversal procedure, implies, especially with regards to a conversion of the Jews, that possibly it is true that Parousia will never ocurr, as Jews have freedom never to convert into Chrisitianity
Thank you, Ip!
You're welcome!
Hi there Michael Jones. You know what worries me alongside those that argue about this passage is that .modern scholars who know Koine Greek and lay people is that just because they translate a word into English and associate it with its modern word counterpart that they think they understand the nuances of how language works. Example, the word genos in koine greek can mean kind, class, or even race. The context is what provides the context to certain words. I speak English, spanish, Italian, German and I assure you that English is the absolute most rigid language that leaves very little wiggle room for the meaning of words despite its context. But this is not how latin, italian, and Koine Greeks work. In fact, i found over 30 pre christian era use of the word Genea and it was more often than not used to refer to race. Ancient Greek works extensively used the word Genea which is translated as generation in English but its ancient counterpart was not used in this context. Furthermore, I have ample evidence that Josephus used the word Genea (generation) to refer to social class. The problem is more often than not the word Genea in the Book of Matthew was used in context of speaking of the pharisees (social class) and not a time span. When we look at the previous chapter of Matthew 23 we see he was talking to the pharisees and say all this will fall on this generation (social class). And chapter 24 says this genea (generation -social class) will not pass away (cease to exist) until all things are fulfilled. This is indeed a prophecy that the only social vlass of the pharisees with their oral Torah will not cease to exist until the end. It is stricking to find that the Essenes, the Zealots, the Sadducees all ceased to exist except the pharisaic Judaism which is alive today and the official jewish religion using the talmud (oral law). The fact that this social class (genea) still exist validates Jesus prophetic message that this generation (Religious social class) will not disappear until the end. This is why those who slayed him (the pharisees) will see him come in the clouds of heaven. Why then did Jesus bring condemnation to crimes committed by the pre 33AD pharisees for killing Son of Barachias whom they (the pharisees) murdered between the altar? It's because guilt is being attributed to the social class as a whole instead of the actual people living during Jesus time. This is why the guilt of those who slayed him (the pharisees assuming the guilt as a whole) will see him come at the end. Therefore this Genea (Social class - Pharisaic Judaism) will not pass (cease to exist) until all is fulfilled. Mark excluded the content found in Matthew 23, making Mark's narrative incomplete and disjointed. The context that ties Matthew 23 to Matthew 24 is found in Matthew 24:1 when the disciple asked in plural "when will these things happen?" This plural question includes the content of chapter 23 and the statement of Jesus that not one stone will be standing. This is why the question is plural. In other words what the disciples were asking is when will these things (the judgement against pharisees and the destruction of the temple) happen. So i conclude you are in great error with all your statements concerning Mathew 24 in this video. I bet my career and company on this, that's how solidly sure I am about what i wrote in this comment.
Quote "Josephus does use the word **"genea"** (γενεά) in a context that could be interpreted as referring to different social classes or groups affected by a specific event. This occurs in his work *The Jewish War* (Book 6, Chapter 4, Section 8), where he describes the devastating effects of the Roman siege of Jerusalem.
Here is the relevant passage:
> **"καὶ παντὸς αἵματος καὶ γενεᾶς καὶ αἰσχύντης ὅσον οὐδ' ἂν ἔθνος ἑτεροῦ εἰδος ἐζήλωσεν."**
This can be translated as:
> "And there was no form of misery that did not fall upon the whole race and generation and condition of men, which no other nation had ever known."
In this context, "genea" (γενεά) can be understood more broadly, encompassing various social strata or groups within the population of Jerusalem during the siege. It implies that the calamity affected people across all levels of society, not just one specific age group or lineage.
Thus, while "genea" usually refers to a generation in the temporal sense, Josephus occasionally employs it in a way that can imply different social classes or conditions, as seen in this passage."
I am impressed! I am a scholar, I 100% agree with your assessment. I have been saying the same thing for many years and also many of my scholarly colleagues concluded the same thing. May I ask, do you have a background in biblical studies? Are you a Christian?
IP you need a podcast!
The rapture already happened. We were born into the tribulation. That is the truth.
No it's not the truth
Great video! How you dealt with delayed and partial fulfillment was clear as day. The allusions to God's plan of redemption and restoration as highlighted in Romans 9-11 was also a good touch.
Nope, his attempt to claim that the Lord was delayed waiting for Israel to repent was an abomination. The Lord said he would come, ready or not, to destroy the rebels and the wicked, and in particular to repay the old Israel that had shed his blood, in that generation (Mat. 23:29-39). Paul affirms not that the old Israel would rise from the dead in repentance and salvation, as a whole body, but rather he pointed out that not all who are descended from Israel are Israel (Rom. 9:6). He was from Israel, from the tribe of Benjamin (Rom. 11:1), and he was proof that God's promise to Israel had not failed and would not fail. Paul, as an elect Israelite, was rising up to new life, and with him the rest of the elect from Israel, as the remnant (Rom. 11:4-5). But the non-elect were hardened, and were an object of wrath, formed to be totally shattered, per Dan. 2 and Dan. 12:7. The all Israel that was to be saved was the all Israel that included the in-grafted gentiles and excluded the non-elect cut off branches.
The Lord clearly said he would not find faith on the land of Israel when he came back to it in judgement upon it: "when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the land?" (Luke 18:8). He would come to avenge his people who had cried to him "‘Give me justice against my adversary" (Luke 18:3) and Paul affirmed it would take place soon, i.e. soon to them, not us: "The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet" (Rom. 16:20)
@@hillaryfamily that's a convenient misreading of everything Paul said. He said that blindness in part happened to the Hebrews so that the light could shine. Then he said that those natural branches that had been rejected would be able to be grafted back into the tree.
Paul maintains a distinction between Jews and Gentiles because of origin and because of the root.
When the fulness of the Gentiles comes in then God will return his focus to Israel, and they will repent, and all Israel will be saved. That is a future event.
Jesus himself said, You will not see me again until you say blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.
Jacob's trouble will happen to break the power of the Holy people. He will help them to understand that Jesus really is the Messiah. Their trust in their sages will be broken.
Israel and the church are not one. The purpose for the existence of the church is simple: the door of salvation has been opened to all men. The church is the witness for Christ in his absence. She is to preach the gospel until the "fulness of the Gentiles comes in." Then, God will return his focus to Israel in the end and all of Israel at the end will be saved. It does not refer to both Israel amd the church, but the Israel of Paul physically.
@@nibs1989 no, it is not a convenient misreading. The claims you have made require, and have received, extensive, detailed and technical responses. But I am not up to writing up all the details here and now for you, sorry.
The best response is to redirect you to Eph. 2 and 4. Here Paul explicitly states the things you have denied in your interpretation of Rom. 9-11. Specifically, Paul made a number of “one” statements. There is one hope, one body, one baptism, one new man consisting of both those who were afar off and were not citizens of Israel, and those who were Israelite citizens. Both groups, the natural born and the naturalised citizens are equal members of the one body, and the one hope is the resurrection of this one body.
“Israel” is a political entity and a political construct, it has always been a mixed multitude from the days of the exodus, in terms of blood and family lines. Israel as a political construct is different under the Kingdom of God than she was under the post-exile Second Temple period. That old body, that old political construct is the old Israel. That entity is not saved, it is destroyed by the Kingdom of God (Dan. 2, 7, 9, 12; Is. 27 etc.). But the individuals were to be saved out of it, they would die to the old law and be born into or baptized into the new Israel. But only the remnant, the elect, a minority, do this. Wide is the road that leads to destruction, narrow is the road that leads to life and few find it. Nonetheless, Israel would fill the whole world with fruit, Is. 27, even as she becomes the dragon Leviathan slain by YHWH.
@@nibs1989 You may be right that Paul maintains some distinction between the natural branches and the in-grafted non-natural branches. But it does not follow that the distinction justifies any difference in treatment or fate. This is the same in modern times. A citizen of a country may have been naturally born a citizen, by being born to a citizen mother and a citizen father in the territory of the country. Or he may have been born the citizen of another country, and then been naturalised as a citizen of the country in question (and he may have renounced his old citizenship). So, we can categorise them according to this difference. But if you say that the two citizens are unequal in right and status, you will and should find yourself corrected in the most forceful terms. Both natural born and naturalised citizens are supposed to have the same rights and the same identity and to have the same hope in the country’s values and benefits.
This is Paul’s position and argument: there is one body, one hope, and equal treatment and status for all citizens. The hopes and aspirations of the formerly separated groups are fulfilled not cancelled, at least with respect to the Hope of Israel. But that doesn’t mean that all who were formerly identified with that old construct are actually members or going to become members of the body in which they are being fulfilled.
@@hillaryfamily I think we can categorize them in that way. The reason is that we cannot extrapolate a modern understanding of citizenship and then place it on the Biblical text. Was there any such thing as naturalization? We do not read that in Pauline letters. From the beginning the heavenly citizenship that we have is one we are born into. We are then adopted into it at the resurrection. We await that day and look forward to "the hope of our calling" because we will live with God forever. We are natural citizens from the beginning. This is the kingdom that Christ called the Jews to. But, he also would have a physical kingdom on earth and will fulfill all his promises to Abraham and to David. He still has to sit on the throne of his father David, which he has not yet done.
The promises for Israel proper are not found in the church. There are two distinct citizenships and two distinct bodies: the church and Israel. The church is a heavenly citizenship, Israel is physical. Israel remains physical, but still has unfulfilled promises that were made to them. Micah 5:3 explains why, it also explains why Jesus had to leave for a season and why the church was established.
Micah 5:3 comes in the context of the famously quoted Micah 5:2 which was a promise about where Messiah would be born. After the Messiah is born it says, "Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel."
Jesus gave Israel up for a season: to be led astray, have their temple destroyed, and for them to experience Deuteronomy 28-30. At the end of that they would begin to be ingathered again for one more judgment. The whole reason Israel began to exist in 1948 as a nation again was in order to signal the last phase of coming in of the fulness of the Gentiles. We are in those days. How long? Nobody knows, but I would venture to say that we are very close indeed to the 2nd coming.
Israel will endure its trouble and during that time she will become the witness for the world as the church has faded from the scene (taken away). Then at the end of the days, Israel will repent as it was foretold, "and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." (Zech. 12:10).
This so important and yet most don't know this as I did not either I wish we could make a bulletin for all Christians to learn this. Thank you so much!
Paul makes comments twice in Romans, once in Colossians, and in 1st Timothy, that the gospel has been preached to all the nations, throughout the world. If Roman’s was written as many say in 57-58AD, there would have been nothing preventing the second coming of Christ. 🤔
That sounds like hyperbole and it is different author than Mark.
@@InspiringPhilosophy but you were quoting different authors making conditional prophecies as if it's relevant to the precise, falsifiable, unconditional prophecies of the end of time in the NT ?
@@InspiringPhilosophy Kenneth Gentry would like to argue with you on that one.
If every creature under heaven had been preached to by 57-58 AD, why did the disciples and apostles continue evangelizing and preaching the gospel to people even after that time?
Obviously, there were regions on the planet where people lived that Paul wasn't even aware of at that time.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Brother, there is another solution to the question of why Jesus promised to return within a generation. The solution is that he never made any such promise anywhere - neither in the first century, nor in the future. We assume that by "generation" he was referring to a lifespan. However, all one needs to do is turn back one page from Matthew 24 to see that by "this generation" Jesus wasn't talking about a period of time, but rather the lineage, or geneology, of the scribes and Pharasees.
The entire chapter of Matthew 23 is devoted to "this generation". It speaks of what they are guilty of and what their outcome will be. And notice in verse 36 he says "all this will come on this generation".
In Matthew 23 we see Jesus uttering seven "woes" against these people. It is in the last and final woe that he makes the first referce to the ancestors of the Pharasees:
"So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!"
In verse 35-36 we have the verdict and outcome of this generation:
"And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, *whom YOU murdered* between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, *all this will come on this generation."*
What this shows is that "this generation" has been around since the dawn of time! Jesus wasn't referring to any contemporary generation. Furthermore, notice that Jesus is speaking TO the people in front of him, calling them "this generation", and yet refers to something that extends way beyond the limits of a lifespan - he says "you" (i.e "this generation") murdered Zechariah, despite the fact that Zechariah lived some 500 years or so before any of them were even born.
This shows that those who mudered Abel, Zechariah, and all the other prophets were part of "this generation".
So what Jesus was actually saying in Matthew 24:34 isn't that everything would be accomplished within a lifespan, but that the passing away of "this generation" was not going to occur until "all these things" have happened. This lines up with what we see in the book of Revelation. The very last thing to occur before the new heavens and the new earth appear is the second death - when the wicked and unbelieving will be destroyed.
The thing that gets me about this is that how can God have to change courses? If He knows exactly how every single thing will go, even before the earth was made, then why would he give all these false prophecies? I'm sort of a believer now, but this whole Jesus false prophecy thing is really starting to make me second guess it. It really seems like this whole "real way of understanding prophecy" thing you speak of is just so that a bunch of people who have no idea what's really going to happen have an excuse when some of the things they say inevitably don't come true. Like, if prophecy isn't for sure, then it's clearly just a guess (maybe an "educated" guess I suppose, but still a guess).
I believe in God, but I want to find out how this actually fits in to the Christian faith, rather than blindly accepting that prophecy somehow isn't an exact science, as it must be to be considered meaningful honestly.
I think I'm in the exact boat you are.. Never been an atheist, but I've not been a Christian either, and there's stuff like this that turns me off.. The "explanation" for it too seems very iffy at best.. like oops God just changed his mind lol
@@aspiringschizo I've since changed my mind completely. Jesus is absolutely God no doubt. I experienced some things that make me believe, to say the least. Praying for you too brother hopefully God will lead you to Him.
So if I follow...
1. Prophecies might be fulfilled, or God might relent, and they won't come to pass.
2. They might be partially fulfilled (which seems internally contradictory) or fully fulfilled (which seems redundant).
3. They might be fulfilled in the correct time, or time might be shortened or lengthened.
So, as long as I understand that Jesus' predicted that the event may or may not happen, might happen in part or in full, and should be expected either before, on, or after the predicted time, then his prediction isn't false. Got it.
But by this criteria, can any prediction ever be false?
1.) That's true, but we must not make the mistake of thinking that God is relenting Arbitrarily. As we saw in the video, biblical prophecies are conditional, and it is implied in the cultural context that if these conditions are not met, the prophecy will not occur. It is not that God leaves us in a state of ignorant uncertainty and secretly changes his plans without telling anyone.
What we are given is a "If X then Y", if not X then not Y" situation. No one would consider it arbitrary or unfalsifiable if I promised that putting salt into cup water will make it undrinkable, and then, upon not putting the salt into water, you find the water is perfectly fine. What God promised is that if the conditions, which should be easy to identify, are met, you will have the predicted outcome. You would know that a prophecy is false by meeting all conditions and seeing that the predicted outcome has not occurred. For example, if you put the salt into water and found it perfectly easy to drink , you would see I had been wrong. (Of course, you can always stratify conditions farther, such as by asking how much salt in how much water, but these must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.)
2.) It is actually inaccurate to say a conditional prophecy would be partially or fully fulfilled because it is dependent on the extent to which its conditions have been satisfied. For example, In the case we saw above with Israel being exiled into Babylon, it was said that if the Israelites repented, they would come home. And so, the Israelites who repented returned home, and those who did not repent stayed in Babylon. Your confusion is in conflating the quality of fulfillment with quantity. The number of agents (quantity of people) who did meet conditions returned home (quality of result).
*In other words, we can only say the prophecy has been completely fulfilled, because the expected circumstantial modifiers have all occurred*
3.) Again, it would be wrong to say that a prophecy occurred at the "correct" time if the time is variable according the conditions. Also, don't forget that the Greeks had two different words for time, which have subtle but significant differences.
*By this criteria, it would be very easy to determine whether a prophecy is fulfilled. Because these are "if X then Y", prophecies, we must simply determine the truth status of both variables. You would know a prophecy is false if, despite all conditions being met, the predicted outcome does not occur.*
The real trouble in this system is accurately determining what exactly the conditions are, but this must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. However, in the case of God prophesying in relation to his plans, I can see how it might be wise to not provide perfect specifications, so as to prevent apathy when a person sees that the conditions are not nearly met.
I've been having some mental difficulties, so this isn't my best work, but I hope it helps.
@He Who Sits Upon Froggy Chair It's not really my confusion though. Daniel is the first one to struggle with Jeremiah's failed prophecy. Read chapter 9.
Daniel was so sure the prophecy had failed, that he felt the need to reinvent it.
Daniel 9:24 (ESV): Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.
Ah, so it's not 70 years, it's 70 weeks of years. By easily playing with the start date of these 70 weeks we can make this prophecy run out in the 1st century of the common era. Therefore, it must be Jesus, and the final judgment must be in this generation.
Except it wasn't. So what do we do now? Make it 70 months of years? Or do at some point we concede that Jeremiah got it wrong? Daniel got it wrong, because he thought the final generation would be inaugurated with the death of Onias. Clearly he was wrong. So Jesus chooses another start date because the prophecy can't be wrong, so it must ve his generation.
Jesus is only wrong because he was working with an attempt to fix a previous failed prophecy. Or, perhaps Jeremiah meant 70 months of years, in which case he'll return somewhere around 2130. But the former sounds much more realistic than the latter.
Thanks for putting together all this brother. It seems a lot of research went into putting this video together. God bless the work of your hand!!
Awesome stuff! When will you do a video on the book of revelation and “end times”?
Excellent work exploring all these challenging passages. It is complex for sure.
On the lighter side, all the talk about Chronos put a silly image in my brain of Jesus realizing it's time to come back when His Outlook calendar reminder pops up. 😅
Jesus said that nobody but the father he said the sun didn't know the date of his return for the church
Basically, a “prophecy” is just communicating how serious a potential consequence is? Doesn’t this make a prophecy indistinguishable from a warning? Honest question.
It can be, but prophecy could also be about blessings
Kind of like moving the goal post
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for [a]all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, [b]pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Therefore, when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),. But know this, that in the last days []perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good. Traitors, heady high-minded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. 1 Does this sound like a False Prophecy ?
The passage from Hebrews 10:36-37 that I referenced does indeed seem to convey a strong expectation of Christ's imminent return, not a distant future event.
Let's examine the relevant verses more closely:
"For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."
The language here is quite clear - the author is telling the readers that Christ's return is something that will happen "yet a little while" and will "not tarry." This strongly suggests an expectation of a very near-term fulfillment, not a 2000+ year delay.
WOW! Prophecies being conditional is amazing. That’s definitely Molinism!
Not molinism, more like Open theism. Molinism says that God puts you in the conditions where he knows how you would act, so if you decide to cross the road, god knew already that putting you in certain conditions would lead to you crossing the road, that is his free knowledge.
His middle knowledge states that God knows what will happen no matter what decision you make, so the predestination happens AFTER yo make your decision, because he already knew which decisions were gonna be available to you on any situation you might find yourself. For example: david ask God if king saul WOULD attack the city of keila, if he stayed in it, and God said YES, So david LEFT the city and king saul DID NOT ATTACK...
Gods free knowledge is that he knows david will either stay or leave, and his MIDDLE knowledge is that he knows what will be the end result in either situation, I.E saul will attack or will not attack. All depends on davids free will decision...
This is an atemp to destroy Calvinisms Exahustive divine determinism where God actually predestines and decrees EVERYTHING that takes place in the world from before he created... so free will is NOT a thing...
In open theism God doesn't know the distant future, only the things he himself decrees, for example, he said he was going to destroy niniveh, but he didn't know that the people would repent, so when they actually repented, he CHANGED his mind abiut destroying them... he says it to jonah too...
So in open theism Gods prophecies are actually conditional, in this video I.P is trying to reconcile conditional prophecies with Closed theism where God knows all things including the future. Is not that effective, but he did presented well
@@DimensiondelosSecretos Hello my dear brother in Christ, thanks for taking the time to give such a long response. Allow me to return the favour in a cordial and gentle way.
In you're second sentence, you said "if you decide to cross the road, god knew already that putting you in certain conditions would lead to you crossing the road, that is his free knowledge". This is incorrect, the way this is worded, it actually fits into God's middle knowledge, the reason is because you used the word "if". It's in the subjunctive mood. What you should have written if you wanted to refer to God's free knowledge is... You ARE deciding to cross the road, and god knows you WILL cross the road. The key difference is the use of the words 'are' and 'will'. Gotta be careful there king.
You then state, "His middle knowledge states that God knows what will happen no matter what decision you make". Again, be very careful about using the words "will" and "would". God knowing what "will" happen refers to his free knowledge. What "would" happen is referring to his middle knowledge, so here you are incorrect in saying this is his middle knowledge, it is in fact his free knowledge.
You are correct however when you say "predestination happens AFTER you make your decision". But, you need to include that your decision to believe in Christ happens EXPLANATORILY prior to God's predestination. In terms of chronological order, God's predestining happens at the first moment of creation, and therefore is chronologically prior to people's choice to believe in Christ. So important we get the difference between logical and chronological order correct.
Your example of Saul attacking King David is excellent, I love that example, however, there are some semantic problems I'd like to point out. You said "God's free knowledge is that he knows David will either stay or leave". Here, you shouldn't say God knows that David will EITHER stay or leave, God's free knowledge is everything that WILL happen, so it's better to say "God knows that David WILL stay, period".
You also said "This is an attempt to destroy Calvinism's Exhaustive divine determinism where God actually predestines and decrees EVERYTHING that takes place in the world from before he created... so free will is NOT a thing..." - Yep, that's exactly what middle knowledge avoids.
You also said "In open theism, God doesn't know the distant future, only the things he himself decrees, for example, he said he was going to destroy Nineveh, but he didn't know that the people would repent, so when they actually repented, he CHANGED his mind about destroying them" - This is correct, this is what open theists believe. But you seem to think that because God knows the future, that means prophecies can't be conditional. Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems to me, from reading the second half of your message, you're saying because God knows what humans WILL do, prophecies can't be conditional. You're saying, the only way for a prophecy to be truly conditional is if God does not know the future and then changes his mind based on the free actions of humans. But Molinists would simply assert that God knowing what will happen has no bearing on the conditionality of prophecy, rather, it has everything to do with humans being free. Conditional prophecy is not possible because God doesn't know the future, it's possible because human beings are free.
Please do correct me if I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, but it seems to me you're saying God's foreknowledge is incompatible with conditional prophecy. But I think it's quite clear, conditional prophecy hinges on human free will, not God's foreknowledge of what WILL happen.
Jesus has been returning for generations and he is still not here. Christians have been wrong about when the return will be for hundreds and hundreds of years. So many worng dates so many bad guesses. What do we actually know? Well, sometime, sometime. What time? No one knows! Now that is convenient, no? After numerous failures to predict the return, the default text has become: no one knows the day or the hour! And that works to keep the faith, but not much more.
How many Christians have died waiting for his return? How many MORE will die?
It's not a question of being false. It's a question of no proof of a return.
When will Christ return? Sometime after we make contact with the first aliens. He'll be forced to appear then because if he doesn't and the aliens don't know who he is, well that's not a good thing, no?
New Atheism is highly irrational.
Just like your comment!
If people studied their bible, these passages would be easily understood. Mt24:34 This generation shall NOT PASS. People immediately assume Jesus was talking about physical death. NOT SO. Jesus was talking about the SECOND DEATH. (Lake of fire or judgment day) How do I know this? BIBLE STUDY. Mt12:41-42 The men of Nineveh and the Queen of the south shall rise (Resurrect) with THIS GENERATION and condemn it. Has the resurrection happened or the judgment day? OF COURSE NOT!!! Jesus teaches the same thing in Mt26:64 Jesus was arrested and standing before the high priest. (This generation) Here after YE (2000 years ago) shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds. (Day of judgment) Remember, every eye will see him. Rev 1:7. To God be the Glory
Very interesting. I haven’t heard it that way, but it makes sense. I am curious how this fits in with IP’s eschatological beliefs. I had heard he was postmillenial, at least years ago, and wonder how this interpretation pairs with that and the preterism that often accompanies it.
If we are going to re-interpret prophecy, why not do so in a way that doesn't make Jesus out to be a false prophet? They killed the Lord of Glory. It wasn't something they could undo. They already had a chance at a do-over at they failed. John put it like this: "Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy"
That all tied together very well
He did return in judgement on Jerusalem is the preterist view. End of the Age didn't mean end of the World, meant end of the Old Testament and its covenants. In Daniel's 70th week Jesus put an end to sacrifices and grain offering by His death, so even though they didn't stop they no longer meant anything and the Veil to the Holy of Holies was torn from top to bottom to confirm it. The Gospel was preached to all of the "inhabited world" was considered to be the Roman Empire as Luke confirmed when he wrote that Augustus Caesar conducted a census of all the World. When Jesus said 'you' He meant the people He was talking to and not us. The words for soon and immediately thereafter meant then exactly what they mean now.
Under this view of "that's not what they meant" you'd have a hard time explaining why the 70 Weeks prophecy puts Jesus' ministry at 28 AD and then prophesied the first 3 1/2 years of Jesus ministry where He makes a covenant with many, desolations are determined (Look, your house is left to you desolate). You're not adding in the context of what Jesus said before the Olivet discourse where He said not one stone here will be left upon the other speaking of the Temple's destruction which occurred while many of that generation were still alive. Matt 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” The age, not the World.
The whole discourse is about how the Sun stops giving its light, the Moon turns to blood and the stars fall from heaven having His disciples immediately to think of Joseph's dream in Genesis where Israel is portrayed as the Sun, Moon and stars. Jesus came with the armies of Rome and destroyed Jerusalem.
The 2nd half of the 70th week had Jesus' disciples confirming with miracles to Israel His death and resurrection. Thus confirming what Daniel wrote hundreds of years before in Dan 9:24, “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy." After that Peter received his vision of "What God has declared clean" vision and the early Jewish Church was scattered by Jewish persecution and started preaching the Gospel throughout the Roman Empire. Led of course by Paul who ended up writing quite a bit of the New Testament. Luke, Paul's faithful companion is the only non-Jewish New Testament writer and Luke obviously had the testimony of the Jerusalem Church including Peter and Mary, Jesus' mother.
Revelation was written before 70 AD if you look at its internal context because John was told to measure the Temple and that had to be still standing. The idea John wrote Rev. later in 95 AD is based on a vague writing of Irenaeus in the 2nd Century that can mean John was still alive in 95 AD and only Dispensational interpreters who think there will be a 3rd Temple accept that it means John wrote Revelation then. No one before John Darby believed much if any of his Dispensational eschatology or church ages as the churches of Rev. were real churches.
John wrote Revelation and he wrote in the first verse, "The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must SOON take place."
So whether you're a full preterist or a partial preterist one thing is certain, Jesus meant what was going to happen was going to happen before the generation then alive passed away. I don't want to write a book here so I'll leave at that.
Great job!
Paul stated that the Gospel had been spread all round the known world at the time. Jesus said all the blood spilled from Adam until then would come upon that generation and God judged the nation of Israel during their lifetime....his Parousia, his coming on the clouds was judgment speak as was portrayed in the OT. Alot of Matthew 24 if not all was about the coming destruction. When Peter stood at Pentacost his proclaimed they were in the last days based of Joel.
I was kind of disappointed he didn't mention Paul's statement
IP, I was under impression that you were holding a partial-preterist-view. What made you change your approach? Catholic Church's interpretation on this prophecy makes the most sense to me:
-Matthew 24:1-34 points to Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD with using apocalyptic language.
-Matthew 24:35-25:46 points to Parousia that is still in the future.
Considering that Jesus first gives detailed signs of "things taking place" and later emphases that no one knows the time and the timing being unexpected, there is a big contrast if these details would refer to the same event. So, it would make sense that The judgement of Jerusalem took place on the time of disciples' generation that was described in detail, but the time of parousia is unknown, but still in the future.
However, there are verses that need to be addressed to make this interpretation to work:
Matt 24:14 - "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in *the whole world* as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
-The greek word "Oikoumene" that is used in this verse refers to "civilized world" that during Roman Empire was used simply to describe the Roman Empire. The New Testament records apostles spreading gospel all around Roman Empire that time. I think it is reasonable to claim that the gospel WAS preached all around Roman Empire before 70 AD.
Luke 21:26 - "People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the *world* for the heavenly bodies will be shaken."
-The same greek word "Oikoumene" is used here.
Matt 24:21 - "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the *world* to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
-Here the greek word kosmou (cosmos) is used that refers to the Earth as a whole. But this is interesting verse that could be just hyperbolic language, but how you measure the amount of "tribulation"? Meaning suffering and distress. A greater distress than the Flood? Or the holocaust? This might be hard to determine. It's interesting that still to this day, Jews mourn the destruction of Temple at the Western Wall, not the flood or the holocaust. And historic accounts of the Siege of Jerusalem really paints the violent image what took place there in 70 AD. So, when looking into historic sources, I think "Great Tribulation" can describe the event in 70 AD even without being hyperbolic.
This comment is better than the whole video
@@rocketmanshawn Notice also what Paul says in Colossians 1:23:
"If indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the *gospel* that you heard, *which has been proclaimed in all creation* under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister."
The greek word ktisis that is used for "creation" here is referring to the act of founding or establishing:
1) Creation of Heaven and Earth.
2) Creation of living creatures
3) Creation of ordinance (authoritative order)
The same word ktisis is used in:
- 1. Peter 2:13 - "Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every *human authority* whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority."
- Romans 1:25 - "They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served *created things* rather than the Creator.."
- Mark 16:15 - "Preach the gospel to all *creation* ".
However, this verse seems to agree that the gospel WAS proclaimed all around the creation...whatever the creation means in this context. Because Paul is pointing to himself while mentioning that, I think it is plausible it's referring to a human establishment, the Roman Empire.
@@grand5207not talking about human establishment... He talking about the gospel, his death, grace, and resurrection!!! Without Israel, or the laws, To be saved.... This the dispensational position...
where u get this bs about the Roman empire or human establishment
But does Jesus ever say that the Second Coming may be delayed (past the initial date he thought it would happen, during the lifetimes of his followers) if conditions were met?
Nope
No, he does not. He speaks with certainty.
"Send based prophets"
Someone noticed!
The precursor to the end of the world was the coming of prophet Elijah (Malachi 4: 5), which Jesus said had already come. How would that translate to over 2,000 years later?
Let's take a look at some specific biblical passages where the Apostle Paul seemed to convey an expectation of Christ's imminent return:
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17:
"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."
1 Corinthians 15:51-52:
"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
Philippians 4:5:
"Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand."
Romans 13:11-12:
"And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand."
In these passages, Paul uses language like "the coming of the Lord", "the Lord is at hand", and "the night is far spent, the day is at hand" that strongly convey a sense of expectancy and imminence regarding Christ's return. The Thessalonians and Corinthian texts even suggest Paul believed some believers would be alive to witness the event.
This aligns with your observation about the early church's anticipation of an imminent Second Coming, as reflected in the Epistle to the Hebrews. Paul's writings seem to echo a similar perspective,
Are you confident enough in this position to debate Don Preston, a Full Preterist?
Your position seems to be an Idealist approach and postmill.
Would be interesting to see this debated against a Full Preterist.
Preterism is flawed, as the video has communicated.
@@parktol02 then it shouldn't be a problem for IP or yourself to debate Don Preston, right?
@@randellpernell I mean I guess not but this is more Michael’s thing. When I had studied for a week or two hard on it, and I’d be willing to talk to him. One thing to remember thoguh is that we are all Chrisitians here, Me, Michael, and Mr. Preston. Jesus is coming back regardless. Our positions will be meaningless once Christ looks after His children on this earth
@@parktol02 Full Preterism as taught by Don Preston leads to a form of deism, without hope for anyone post AD 70. Although Full Preterists deny this, I've personally seen it lead many to abandon Christianity. I'm not a FP. I find Michael Jones' points interesting but I'm not so sure his position would stand solid against Full Preterism, especially in a debate with Don Preston. I'd love to see Michael's points challenged.
@@randellpernell That would be cool, but I’d say if it leads to deism its a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Thank you for the informative video! Your videos are a blessing.