in my country surrogacy it's only allowed between family, it can't have any type of financial benefit to the person getting pregnant, and it has A LOT of bureaucracy involved it was a no no for me before listening to the podcast it's a even harder NO after listening
@@nataliaalves4060I honestly think surrogates should be paid because of the hardship they have to go through for someone else. They may have post partum depression AND not even have a baby there and go through that all for someone else’s happiness. And that’s a beautiful thing to do for someone, but that doesn’t take away from the difficultly, the hormone imbalances, the depression, the natural inclination to become attached to the baby inside of you, the pain, the vomiting, the weight gain, the lifestyle changes, the stitches, the healing, etc. Like, they deserve to be paid more than just their hospital bills and doctor’s appointments if that’s what they want and the family they’re holding the baby for agrees in my opinion.
@@bunnylacy2097 I totally agree with you, I just said how it works in my country, I never said I agreed with it. In Brazil women don't have as many rights as in the US for example the only way we could get an abortion is in 3 cases: 1. The pregnancy is the result of SA, 2. The pregnancy represents a risk for the mother and 3. The fetus has anencephaly. and even in those cases it's hard to get one. Brazilian women were fighting with our government so a child (12yo) who got pregnant after being r*ped could get access to her right to an abortion. It's the law, it's flawed I don't agree with any of it but it's how it works here. Being a surrogate here is only allowed if the person getting pregnant is related to those wanting the baby, for example if I were to be surrogate I could only do it for my sistes, my aunts and uncles, my cousins and I couldn't do it for anyone else. They couldn't pay me for it, because it could mean I was being forced to do so, but they could pay for all the medical expenses, since the conception to the post partum, but I couldn't get a penny of that. It would have to be a free willing thing for me to do, that's why I personally wouldn't do it. But I gotta mention some good things too, here we have a breast milk bank, all women who are breastfeeding can donate their milk to the babies in ICU or whose mother can't breastfeed them because of health issues, it's free for the donor, it's free for the families benefiting from it. Also all the vaccines are free and I mean ALL OF THEM (for anyone, everyone, even those who weren't born here but are in need) It is what it is, I can't change that
When I was 24 I found out I was pregnant and did not want to keep the baby. My mom’s friend had been trying to adopt for a long time and she was thrilled at the chance of adopting the child I was carrying, so in essence I was her surrogate. She requested to be in the room when I gave birth, I said no. She requested to be by the door behind a curtain to hear the first cry, I said no. And she respected my boundaries. She didn’t interfere with my birth plan, how I spent my pregnancy, or anything. She also had her own boundaries. In CA a birth mother has one year to change her mind, she asked if I did please have my lawyer contact her but she couldn’t hear it from me. I didn’t, she’s an amazing mother. But I respected her boundary as well. Being a surrogate requires so much trust from both parties, because for one it’s their child for the other it’s their body. If you can’t handle either side of that and learn when to let go, then you shouldn’t be a surrogate or use a surrogate. That couple was absolutely in the wrong for their behavior.
I don’t know how your comment doesn’t have more likes and doesn’t have any replies ?? I really love how you put your comment and really loved how you put “for one, it’s their child, for the other it’s their body”, I don’t think it could be put or simplified better. Also want to say what an amazing thing it was that you did for them and think it is absolutely beautiful.
I don’t know how your comment doesn’t have more likes and no replies ?? I really love how you put/worded your comment, and specifically the part “for one, it’s their child, for the other it’s their body”, it resonated with me and I don’t think it could be put or simplified better. Also want to say what an amazing thing it was that you did for them and think it is absolutely beautiful.
Story 3 PISSED ME OFF. You gave your guests BREASTMILK WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT??? You GAVE YOUR WIFE FECES TO EAT??? DIVORCE. IMMEDIATELY. This is absolutely disgusting behavior and I am so glad she divorced him. Also my favorite insult is that “he’s like a cloud. As soon as he goes away it’s a beautiful day”
Not to mention because she is so stressed from the constant "pranking", the cortisol affecting her milk production so she can't feed her baby (with breast milk at least) so he is using what little she can make to prank guests? Wrong on so many levels in that prank alone
I’m currently a surrogate for a beautiful couple. They are very scared as new parents and can get a little overwhelming with their questions and concerns. But before we even started anything we went to lawyers. We have a 50+ page contract stating anything and everything that could go on in the pregnancy. Birth plans were made before the embryo transfer was done. I have two months to go and I am feeling extremely blessed to be able to carry a child for a very deserving couple. ❤️
I came here to say that as no one else seemed to notice. She’s struggling to keep up with demand too, probably due to stress and sleep deprivation. He’s taking food from his newborn for his amusement. Scum!
My Mom passed away in July of 2022. While she was dying my partner of almost 4 years yelled at me for calling him to tell him because I "ruined the rest of his shift" and after only made me feel guilty for wanting support and refused to be there for me until it was convenient for him. There had been issues in the past, but this was the point that I realized that he did not and could not love me. I left him 2 weeks after her passing and it was the best decision I could have made for myself. To the woman who lost her dad: I'm so sorry your heart is hurting from not only that devastating loss, but the loss of the connection you thought you had with your partner. Get out and take care of you❤
That's so awful. I called my husband yesterday towards the end of his shift just because his sister said a horrendously rude thing as a joke on a fam chat. Just that. Good for you. ❤️
@@Garbanzobish I lost my Mom last year and my heart goes out to you. The one time you expect your partner to be sympathetic and this ... Big hugs to you 🤗
I'm so sorry. I've just lost my mum 2 months ago and it's an unimaginable experience until you have unfortunately lived it 😢 I'm sorry they let you down at such a difficult time that must've been horrendous 😢
I’m so sorry you had to deal with a toxic relationship on top of something so hard as parent passing, but I know you’ve made her proud finding the courage to leave. That is how her legacy remains 🤍
Only on story number 2, but as a nanny with 10+ years experience, there are HUGE differences between 1 and 2 year olds. Faking birth certificates is going to be a major felony and who knows what the penalty for that would be. That lady is bonkers (as politely as possible) and she definitely needs to see some professional help.
Mom of twins, my sons are nothing alike. They have never been in the same class or had the same friends. It’s truly insane to lie to kids about being twins.
@@peaselco I'm sure this isn't the case but I wonder if the family knows something is going on mentally so they want to say anything to her that won't cause her more stress. They might not agree but they don't want to make her upset. I'm sure that's not the case though. It's just a thought.
he posted an update, i guess she had severe postpartum depression after their first and he believes she’s experiencing some kind of postpartum psychosis so he has the kids and she’s staying with family for now
I'm sorry, but you CANNOT tell me in good faith that you guys think that the guy from the funeral story is WORSE THAN THE GUY WHO PLAYED ALL THOSE STUPID PRANKS FROM THE STORY BEFORE. If anyone's a black flag, it would be pranking manchild. Funeral guy is just a red flag imo
I feel that the guy would even play a prank on her even on the funeral and not care if it’s appropriate or not. But yes I do agree with you, the guy that played pranks is the worst. There’s no need for a debate!!!
This isn't even something a child does. My own son knows better. This is something a mentally insane patient does. These are the ones who live among us, not in the institutions where they belong.
My parents had 2 separate sets of Irish twins and I'm DYING laughing at the idea that this woman thinks they could even be raised as twins. That's so ridiculous
Story 5 From my own experience, if the husband does not stop that interaction, it is because he is interested in the attention that woman is giving him and nothing good will come of it. Both of them are failing to respect their respective partners.
The husband that is *pranking* his wife, is a psychopath. He’s mad because his wife is maturing and he’s afraid she’s maturing PAST HIM. It’s like OP said, he’s mad things aren’t going his way.
I was kind of wondering what his childhood was like. Like people that feel the need to prank people in ways that are too extreme, typically have some sort of mental health issue going on. But also, could it be some jealousy because she had a baby and he's not getting the attention he craves?
I think he’s also jealous of the baby. It’s scarily too common how many male partners act out when a woman is near birth or after the baby’s born. She needs to run far away quickly
This poor woman needs to get a lawyer involved! There was no contract so OP is free to manage her pregnancy and birth any way she wants to. I think there is a possibility that she could sue her brother for damages if he and his wife continue to harass her.
It also seems to foreshadow that if the couple have any issues with the baby in the future, even normal things like colic or allergies, they will outright blame OP for not doing the supplements, classes, or birth how they wanted. Definitely need a lawyer ASAP!
@@elisaalvarez7951No one is saying kids are objects, but in being a surrogate, you are providing a service for someone. Would you say daycares shouldn't have contracts because kids are involved?
For number 7 I feel like we should have some empathy for the kid who’s studying. Sounds like he’s super stressed and anxious and maybe isn’t all there because of how fatigued he is. He needs support and probably an intervention rather than being told he’s an A hole tbh
Yeah this. Also I feel like gf could have also been more understanding. She could have helped him study if she wanted to spend time with him. She's also definitely not over what happened with her ex, she acted like she caught OP in the act when he was alone & asleep.
I feel like the gf should’ve never been in a relationship so soon if she couldn’t get over what her ex did too her. I feel bad for OP because it’s not like it went out of his way to purposely fall asleep in his roommates bed. He literally passed out from exhaustion and dehydration. I feel like the downfall of the relationship already started when the gf came in the relationship with insecurities of infidelity because of her ex. I do think it was good for OP to have the talk about boundaries with his gf and then tell his roommate the boundaries were. But I do think their two mutual friends are assholes for not trying to hear his side of the story. Idk this is how I felt when listening and hearing most of the comments calling him the asshole when both parties could’ve done better🤦🏻♀️😭
@@catT5236 agreed, and It’s so weird that she just so happened to date kaia’s roommate. I feel like she needs some therapy and to get AWAY from Kaia haha
@@kaiab.-wx8mz it's also weird she was in Kaia'a room at all. Why would she be going in there without permission & if Kaia did tell her she probably said he was crashing there.
When I was pregnant my MIL literally said to me, "you're not important to me anymore; you are an incubator." She thought that was so funny. Guess who has been to see her grandkids like MAYBE 15 times in 7 years?
S2 has an update. The dad left with the kids, is currently seeking options on what to do next. Everyone recommends a lawyer and a OB/GYN for possible postpartum pyscosis. Tsss....
Thank goodness. That story ENRAGED me due to the psychological harm!! I was FLOORED her family was encouraging this insane idea! The family doesn't have post partem psychosis!
I was out riding my bike while listening, and I gagged in memory of it from hearing it on Smosh during the start 😂. I held strong during the grossest part when Morgan read it somehow...
I'm a twin and when we were younger we were expected to be best friends and really close, but my dad purposely put us with different teachers in school and always encouraged us to develop our own personalities! That really helped us both!
Twin over here too with a not really Irish twin lil brother (we we're born in May 03 he on March 05 but we wholesomely joke he's an oops tho my parents never thought they'll get pregnant naturally {had sis and I via treatment} anyways) being a twin have it's ups and downs I wouldn't trade my twin sister for the world but sometimes it's hard living by her side for various reasons but I still love her sm (despite her annoyances) but sometimes it's sucks in my siblings shadow regdless of which sibling I talk about (also for the oops kid jokes about fuzzy we do them only since he's 18 so don't worry)
Haha same! My SO ate the chocolate I bought during my period, and I had a meltdown 😅 he felt so bad he bought me chocolates and sweets the day after! That was one time! If I were the husband, I wouldn't prepare anything and just order take out! If she complains about the cost, then she needs to stop feeding everything to the dogs! Holy moly!
I don’t understand when people say “cheating is usually accidental” because how? Did you trip and fall to your car keys stumble to your car accidentally hit the gas and drive to their house have your pants fall off and slip onto someone? Were you sleepwalking? It’s not an accident.
Not accidental like that. When people say that they mean it in the “I didn’t think about it and just let it happen”. Now this doesn’t work for the people who clearly made conscious choices (going on a dating app, purposely seeking out an affair, etc). This is more for those “hanging out and ended up fucking” type situations. Where there was no active thoughts being put into it, just irresponsibility and stupidity.
S1: Former doula here. OP is absolutely NTA! The best birth-plan is whatever makes the individual going into active labor the most comfortable, as long as she's not endangering herself or the child, they don't have much of a say here. They can express their feelings, desires, and wishes but they're just that - feelings, desires, and wishes. This is likely coming from a place of pain, it's got to be incredibly difficult to watch someone seemingly do something with complete and total ease that isn't even on the table for you. But it excuses nothing and if they cause stress or anxiety around the birth, they do not need to be in the room. Period.
I agree though my thought here is everyone kind of messed up by not discussing and formally agreeing on the birth plan BEFORE she ever agreed to be their surrogate. Should this not have been ironed out well before this point?
@@cassiemta It definitely should have been ironed out well before this point or at the very least, discussed. I don't know anyone who would recommend agreeing to be a surrogate without this being covered. At this point, it's a bit late but being unreasonable and controlling because they're hurting doesn't seem wise.
Oh yea it's too late now, and they're obviously being unreasonable and at this point she just needs to be safe and relaxed during labor. I was just curious if for some reason it's normal to discuss it after the fact. Because I do feel like both surrogate and parents have a right to some input. It's the surrogate's body and for the parents most parents get to make those choices so it's understandable they would want a say. And the only way that could ever be fair to everyone involved is to agree to a compromise in writing in advance.
@@cassiemta Oh no, it's not at all normal! I texted a few of my old colleagues lol just to see if they had ever heard of an agreement to surrogacy being made without a birth-plan approval and they all said no. Honestly, I think it's one of the factors used to decide if you're a good match or not. Makes total sense as to why! I'd say that yes, they do have a right to input but it matters far less in the birth room. Ex: They want her to have a natural and unmedicated birth but if something were to seem off or like things could go awry, their input and feelings go out the window. You want to involve them as much as possible but the truth of it is, whoever is giving birth and whose life is at immediate risk is who we are going to be listening to.
@diamcole oh yea I feel like any agreement is thrown out the window this medical and psychology needs for surrogate and/or baby change. The initial plan everyone should agree to, but I would imagine there's a clause in any agreement that if things don't go as planned surrogate and medical professionals' opinions trump the parents.
Story 7: Everybody sucks here. OP should have taken better care of themselves when studying and texting Selene. HOWEVER, Selene should have been more confident in their relationship and acknowledged her own feelings about OP and Kaya, but it is weird that Selene just jumped to conclusions about thinking OP was cheating even though OP texted about being really sick. Kaya was a good friend, and maybe if there was more communication going on, then there wouldn't be a breakup.
I agree. I don’t think Selene was being honest when he asked her about how she felt about him living with Kaya and has waiting for something to happen. Also if she missed him so much the moment she’d get a notification on her phone i think she would try to respond ASAP especially when he says he’s so sick. OP definitely should’ve tried to even out his schedule and have a meal a day with Selene or at least a 1-2 times a week but at the end of the day I don’t think Selene was the right person for him. She jumped the gun due to her own insecurities
There’s an update for the second story, he told her to leave because she got so mad at him for not wanting to follow her plan. He said her family is very supportive of this and she told him she’d raise them herself if he doesn’t agree. He wants her to go to therapy
I hope he has some written documentation of her intentions that he can take to court and petition for full custody. She's totally unhinged, and so is her family. Raising them "as twins" in the sense of dressing them alike all the time would honestly still not be ideal, but reasonable. I can't fathom why she wouldn't settle for that.
Story 7: I get it though once exam week starts coming up I don’t talk to anyone I’m ngl I barely talked to my mom chem be kicking my ass I understand 😂😂
Story 6- She thinks he’s being UNREASONABLE?! That’s insane. She has no respect for her husband. She said it’s “no big deal.” It IS TO HIM! Wtf. He put all that work into prepping lunches for the week and she doesn’t care one bit. That just made me so upset.
Yess girl! Wtf it’s wrong with her 😩 it’s his hard work I love my dogs but I can’t ever see the correlation from trying to feet the. Well and taking my husband food away…. She needs to pick up the slack and prepare their dogs food if she truly cares that much, any person with two senses wouldn’t do this to anyone!
@@jatnnag.3008 Exactly! Or at least make sure that when you do have time, you cook up some food to replace what you took from your husband! If the food is too fancy to remake it yourself, then its too fancy to give it to the dogs.
Exactly! I feel like they missed this point entirely this time. The issue isn’t time or money, the issue is the lack of respect. And I’m sure Morgan listened to this again when editing and was like, “How did I miss that?!?!!” 😂
Story 2: I hate parents who want to do things solely for their own selfish interests. There is no benefit for the kids, it’s solely because the mom wants twins. Gross.
story 3: that food tampering. it is a crime. she is wild for not wanting to divorce him. nothing has changed after all the conversations and fights. i hope she eventually got some sense and left him.
In fairness to her she did just give birth and I’m sure she’s not thinking super clearly. She’s getting woken up and is sleep deprived and could be still suffering from post birth stuff. She does need to leave home though, and I think she’ll get there soon. It’s a big thing to work out a plan to leave when you’re taking care of a newborn and I imagine it’s overwhelming.
The woman whose dad died… No. Absolutely not. His behavior is either intentional OR he is so wildly immature and selfish that he doesnt even realize how gross his behavior is. His lack of showing up for her, LITERALLY not showing up on time. The fact she knew she would have to get him clothes to wear ahead of tome. She knows how he was going to act. My dad died last year, out of state, that I had been estranged from for 20 years. But I had to go to clean out his house (think hoarder trailer) and handle shit while dealing with the heaviness of the loss of hope there would ever be reconciliation. My husband, whose work is EXTREMELY busy, flew down right after me, did all the heavy lifting and hard work, was kind and loving and nurturing. He also knew I had to rent a car and drive back (had items of my dads for my kids and brother) 11 hrs and he didn’t want me to have to drive after such an exhausting experience. He even took an extra day to take me to the beach on the way back so we could just sit and look at the ocean which he knows is my happy place. THAT is what a spouse that loves his partner does. This guy is a clown and needs to go.
I ended an almost 8 year relationship because he volunteered to temporarily work out of state for 6 months. A few months after my grandmother, who was my parental figure, passed away. I went above and beyond for him and his family when his mom passed sway. I didn’t do it because I expected anything in return but because I truly loved him, his sisters, family, and his mom. It felt like the biggest betrayal when he couldn’t be bothered to return a fraction of care while I was very clearly drowning in grief. That experience is what shattered my rose tinted glasses. I’m so sorry to OP in story 3. You deserve a partner to give you love, reassurance, and safety. Showing up was the literal bare minimum and he barely could do that. You deserve so much better.
@@juliaortiz6483 you’re so sweet. Thank you so much! I really appreciate your comment. It was very rough at first. It took nearly two years (along w/ my soul dog passing away) to finally admit I needed professional help with learning how to cope in a healthy way. Thankfully I’m in a much better headspace.
Story 4: I’m so pissed for OP!!!! 2 days ago my grandfather passed away. I was angry with him towards the end. He had multiple health problems and still family was never a thought when doctors told him he wouldn’t live long. But even so, I turned to my husband and said I’m going to be with my family. Without hesitation he said, I’ll let my work know I’m not coming in, I’ll go with you. Also 5 years ago my grandmother passed away. I was so close to her and I was barely dating my husband for a year at that time. When she was in the hospital he came to spend time with me in the waiting room. When her funeral was coming up and he realized he didn’t have any nice clothes to fit him, he asked me to come with him to the mall to buy new dress pants and shirt. He met her once…ONCE. When she was already dying. But that didn’t matter to him. He wanted to be there for me. 12 years and he couldn’t be there on time or dress nice?!!! He’s kicked to the curb!
Hi Morgan! I'm a housekeeper cleaning at work as I'm watching. A couple months ago you said you had an irrational fear of someone replacing the hotel shampoo with Nair. Soap bottles made for hotels 90% of the time are made so you CANNOT open them. If you can, it's super noticeable if they've been forced open. Hope this can help soothe that fear a bit :)
We have dispensers on the wall that we refill buuuut they struggle enough with pumping the gel as it is (always getting blocked up), no way nair is coming out.
As someone who just delivered a baby a few weeks ago as a gestational carrier, the only input intended parents should have regarding the birth plan are factors related directly to the baby not the actual labor itself.
Worse than a red flag is a black flag. Maybe this is a bit uncreative, if not morbid, but in mass casualty situations, EMS will ‘flag’ every patient with a color according to how quickly they need care: green being least urgent, yellow middle, red most urgent. Black flags are for patients who are beyond saving, whose injuries are so bad that there’s nothing you can do. Red flags are difficult cases but can be fixed, black flags are irreparable.
I read a story (on reddit, so not sure how true it is) about a 9/11 jumper who briefly survived the fall. From the torso down, she was completely obliterated, but adrenaline kept her conscious long enough to see an EMT place a black flag next to her. She apparently had some knowledge of EMS and knew what this meant, and she called out to the EMT “No, I’m not dead” before passing away to her injuries. Again, not sure if this is true, but it gives me chills to think about.
@@reesec4282 there's a guy on RUclips called Soren who survived this kind of injury. He's one of less than 10 with the other guy being some Chinese guy who actually put it into doctors' mind this can be survived. Too bad for that poor lady.
Black in a triage situation means a person is dead. What you are referring to is coded with the colour blue. That means, that it is either not possible to save that person or it would take so much manpower that they sadly can't provide it, cause they can save more people with it than just one. That sounds horrible and I'm hoping that I will never have to help in such a situation, but in that moment it's "better" so save more people than just the one that is already close to death.
About story 5, some people need to understand that as long as everyone is happy, every relationship has its own "rules" and it's valid. For a couple haning out one on one with the opposite gender is not ok? Ok, that's what they want to do. As long as they are happy it's fine. If I'm in a poly relationship, my partner has a partner and that's not a problem, but if he treated another girl as he treats me and my meta behind our backs, that would be not okay. It's also not okay for me to shame the first couple, or for the first couple to shame me.
@jesslynxr They literally only say that because some time he has takes they don't agree with. Like the renovations episode 🤦🏽♀️ like yall it's not that deep
Came here to say the same thing! I think someone who says Justin is a red flag is probably used to crappy partners. For them, Justin is too good to be true. His lack of red flags is the red flag.
@@jesslynxr i don't think it's wrong of people who expect their partners to not watch porn to see justin discussing watching porn in the way he does, and say that it's a red flag. it's about personal preference
Story 6: I cooked my dogs (2 large German shepherds) food for 2 years while living abroad. I would never consider feeding them our meal prep wtf lol. She needs to plan better or just stick to kibble. Wild.
How much psychological abuse has this woman suffered, for her to think she might be blowing things out of proportion by wanting a divorce after being so blatantly disrespected and mistreated?
I was a surrogate in 2020 and I couldn't even finish the story before I was already angry. Like from the beginning the baby was theirs, the pregnancy was ours, and the birth was mine. They knew that as lokg as I was doing what was medically necessary and not putting the life of their baby at risk, they didn't control that part of it. And they always showed how grateful they were, before, during, and after the pregnancy. And they were strangers when we met! This is her brother family! They should be treating her with nothing but love and gratefulness. Not only the only the pregnancy, the birth, and the risk of death, future infertility, or complications but in order to be a surrogate like a gestational carrier, which most are you have to go through Embryo transfer which means: a lot of hormones, a lot of fucking needles in the hip (like a lot, especially if you go through multiple like me) and then you have things like miscarriage which are mentally and physically traumatic even when it's not your own baby. This is why, even when it's family always always always put a contract in place BEFORE you get pregnant and every term is put in place. Make sure you hire a lawyer who has done Surrogacy contracts before, especially if you're in Canada (it's illegal to pay a surrogate here, which, due to the things listed above infuriates me to no end). Even paid surrogates need to have it decided in no uncertain terms who makes what decision about what, who gets to decide who is in the room etc. Btw, I'm a nobody so I don't know if it'd count as a collab but I would 100% come on if you ever come back to Canada and want to look at more surrogate or Canada based AITA ☺️
In bullet: - no time to cook but can make things like sausages from scratch - can't door dash, order in or get take out but can prep for elaborate meals - wife won't let her have her fancy food but gives it to dogs... I want to be a fly on their wall too... or just one of their phones. Wife still sucks though.
@@availanila I mean, DoorDash takes time. If he only has 30 minutes to eat & discovers his food is gone and it's actually lunch time, like noon, he could be waiting an hour for food that might not even be what he ordered.
There isn’t money for DoorDash because the wife spent it on the dogs. I bet he can’t even order DoorDash if he had the money because the wife gave the dogs his phone. Even if he had his phone, I bet the dogs would beat him to the door when DoorDash got there, and then he still wouldn’t have food anyway. He’s not gonna be properly nourished with these dogs in that house. The wife has allowed the dogs to dominate the household; and OP and his wife are actually the dogs’ slaves now
I feel like everyone is overthinking this one. The bottom line is that the husband has a very demanding schedule, however he values having a healthy homecooked lunch, so he takes time every week to make his own meals. His wife does not respect his time and effort, therefore she sees no issue with feeding their dogs food that he made for himself. The whole conversation about why he doesn't doordash is super irrelevant.There are many reasons why that wouldn't be an option for him. Maybe they have a budget and paying for doordash (Which is very expensive) would ruin that budget, or maybe this man is on a specific diet that his meal prep matches and doordashing much less healthy food would ruin that diet, or maybe they live in a rural area where they can't doordash (This is why I can't use doordash. Regardless of the reason, he shouldn't have to doordash at all. If his wife actually respected him, he would not end up lunchless. If the wife truly didn't have time to make the dogs food, then fine, feed them his meal prep, but you better take the time to replace his meal prep that you gave to the dogs. Idk what the wife eats every week, or what her job is, but if you find yourself in a spot where you dont have time to cook the dogs their food over and over again, then maybe she should be doing a bit of meal prep on her own for the dogs.
No the prank one is INSANE!!! I would’ve left after the breastmilk one. My boyfriend has seen me BAWL for HOURS over me spilling an ounce or two I couldn’t imagine him purposefully wasting it. That is so insane
S7 - as someone who when something like exams are coming up (even without parental pressure) I can get super MIA with people I don’t see an issue especially when he gave a heads up. I don’t think he’s an asshole and the gf not even hearing him out sucks imo.
Same, I'm wrapping up the end of my degree rn and my bf would 100% understand if I just sort of dropped off. It's par for the course when you're in an intense program, I was surprised people didn't get that
I love all these crazy wild stories but I was wondering could we get another wholesome episode soon? I often think about that episode with the ring that got thrown out then found it’s way back to the owner and when the girl thought a person was drowning but was actually swimming and then they went on to date. An episode like fate, meant to be, crazy coincidences kind of episode. Or an episode to restore faith in humanity because gosh these stories are examples of how awful some people can be and the world is pretty dark rn so a lighthearted episode would be great. Love you guys❤ (also Justin is the ultimate green flag!💚)
Smosh read story 3 last week or so, and it was just as disturbing hearing it on this episode. I totally agree about the locked mini fridge, that was the first thought that popped into my head.
Story 3: I love when Justin is just clearly pissed at these abusive jerks. You guys are dead on. Honestly, after birth is such a vulnerable time for women…. You’re still healing and bleeding from delivery, you’re adjusting to a newborn, you’re sleep deprived, and you’re taking care of a baby around the clock and just at your limit. What kind of guy is waking up their wife and undermining her breastfeeding efforts rather than doing everything they can to support her?
Justin being described as a red flag is mind boggling to me. Justin is the definition of a green flag. He is literally so emotionally aware and sympathetic, he also gives a male perspective that is so needed. WE LOVE JUSTIN!!
I might be guy's only defender but I think the reddit comments were super off base with story 7. I don't think he did anything wrong. Maybe people are forgetting how intense schooling can be or maybe had easier majors and stuff but I've totally had moments where I've needed to be head down. And he communicated with her that he would be fairly unavailable during that time.. which... isn't that what we all say is the most important thing to do. Not only did he communicate he would be crazy busy for a while but when he tried to plan time with her, she was the one who came an hour later than she was supposed to for their date?? If it was so important for her, especially when bro carved out time, then wouldn't she made an effort to not be an hour late to the date. I hate the "if roles were reversed" argument but I'm not sure people would have been as harsh if this was girl writing about her boyfriend. With the added context of minority parents, I completely understand his POV. Unpopular opinion maybe but I don't think he was wrong and I feel bad for him that he's taking all this upon himself
Totally agree, I felt like I was taking crazy pills listening to their opinions. When you're a student, that's your priority. And he DID communicate how crazy his studying was going to be during that time period. Maybe the dude's studying habits over the course of the school year need to be adjusted so that he doesn't make himself sick, but he still didn't do anything wrong. That's a learning experience for his physical and mental limits for studying, not a testament to him being a "bad partner".
@@GosterMonster526 That's what I'm saying!!! It's crazy. Also just found some info that makes this way worse. He literally gets beaten at home. He included information about getting hit in his comment.... I can't believe everyone was so careless in the comments with this poor kid. Not to be dramatic but we have all seen how reddit comments emboldened someone to leave a bad situation or to trust themselves again. I think people really need to be more careful when they're dunking on people looking for advice
@@GosterMonster526 Omg Idk what happened to my other comment to you but YESSS THANK YOU. I felt literally in upside down world. Also in his update he literally mentions that his dad hits him..... The community really failed him. It's so frustrating
Okay I thought I was going crazy, because he got so sick, and whether that’s your fault or not, you’re sick! Of course he can’t see her, not to mention all the studying! Yes the gf had boundaries and OO should have communicated more but not even hearing him out? Or finding out from others what happened? I’m worried about both parties and how they handle relationships moving forward because it seems like it was bad timing on both their parts
@@sierranicole6138 you can also tell by his response he is a really good guy just by the way he took the criticism. Feel awful for the guy. Sometimes situations like that happen in life and things get messed up. Nobody’s really the bad guy which makes it even more painful. Just awful luck and a bad series of events. Wish him the best
My sister and I are Irish twins, were the same age for 2 weeks (which is currently rightnow coincidencely) and we were kind of raised as twins. Matching clothes, matching Christmas presents(always having to race to open it first to be the one suprised lol), I was purple everything and she was pink. My parents always said I was the hardest kid to manage. My bottles, suckys, ect. were taken away the same time as my older sister, no wonder I was so grumpy trying to keep up and learn with my almost one year older sibling. We were kind of close when we were young, but around 12-13 is when it wasn't cool to hangout with her little sister anymore and she made sure our friend groups heard about it. I wish we were more close to this day but she moved across the ocean and we are completely opposite people. Not only will one kid feel behind, but they won't be able to trust their parents once they find out they have been lying to them their entire life. Terrible idea.
S2- I’m a twin, although I’m a female with a male twin brother. Especially as kids, being twins was a huge part of our identity. Everyone would comment on it and talk about it, we were always referred as “the twins”. Even if now it’s not such a big part of my identity, I would be devastated if I found out that my whole childhood was a lie.
Story 6- heres my thing, if she is wanting to feed her dogs this way, there is ways to do it . They have to have a specific amount of nutrients and also cant have things like Garlic or onions which is in alot of food… why doesn’t she just meal prep for the dogs WITH her husband? She is WILD . Lol
Story 2: as a twin and a uni graduate in psychology,,, that parent is in a delusional land , like what??? This could do SO much more harm than she could EVER imagine. Like this isnt The Sims or Barbie dolls, these are real people with real feelings and lying to them since birth won't do any good to any relationship. So disturbing
My mom gave birth to two children. Me and my sibling. Between the two pregnancies she gained 60 pounds, has permanent nerve damage in her leg, and not to mention her and I got very sick during labor, they had to rush her in for an emergency c. The person giving birth always has the final say, its their body, they have to deal with the lasting effects. 1st story turned my stomach how dare they.
My hot take as an identical triplet: As an identical triplet (all girls), I felt objectified. Throughout my life, I've been fetishized or objectified by strangers, family friends, and even family. Instead of taking pride as a mother, my mom took pride in being "the triplet mom" and admitted to failing as a parent during our childhood. She was always praised, even though she was a neglectful, and at times abusive, parent. She treated us as a spectacle, seeking attention while we worked hard to prove our individuality to others. She’s received help since we’ve been adults and we have a much healthier relationship with her now. Children will form close relationships naturally; it can't be forced. Parents should encourage healthy relationships among their children, twins or not. It’s my personal opinion that multiples bond through shared experiences of being treated like curiosities or freaks, which can feel like trauma bonding. If this mother truly cared about her children, she wouldn't lie or force a relationship for her own pride. It seems she want’s twins as a badge of honor, which comes off as narcissistic. PS: Twins often face isolation because people can't tell them apart or are freaked out and distrustful. Once my sisters moved away, I made many friends who didn't know I had two identical siblings. It was interesting when they found out and met them though- they had no problems knowing who I was because I had been introduced to them as an individual. They never had the notion that I was 1 of 3 so they were able to tell me apart.
Story 2: I think there's a term called Irish Twins for such a gap between consecutively born siblings. As for the wife, she is setting up a resentment that her kids will hate her for. She can dress them alike which is almost harmless. But pretending like they are twins to such an extent that they won't be informed until they find out legally at some point in the future? A selfish take on the mother's part. Some twins say they want to be set apart as individuals and have experienced people treating them like a unit. The wife putting this unnecessary burden on the kids, on the family is selfish.
story 5: maybe i just have more relaxed boundaries, but i think it's completely normal to text friends in the middle of the night. i also don't think couples necessarily have to share friends either. in my last relationship, we both had our own friends and would text them and even facetime them late all the time. we also didn't have the most normal sleep schedules, but either way, i don't think time of day is an indicator of intention. if my partner told me i shouldn't be texting friends after a certain hour, i would think they're being controlling.
yeah listening to them say “omg it’s 11:30 why are you texting” all i could think was you guys must be pretty boring. i really feel like the wife amped herself up before actually figuring out if there was anything to feel weird *about.* like if it turns out she’s also into his favorite obscure video game i don’t think that’s weird, but she assumed she knew what they were talking about and forgot to *actually check what they were talking about.*
But would he call the judge bro then? Like "but it was just a prank bro" instead of your honour and be in contempt? I can imagine him trying to justify it and the judge saying "did you or didn't you yes or no" getting more angry and then make him list every single thing he did to her and the baby. And he'd see all the shocked faces of everyone being horrified by his actions. It would be very interesting to see this guy get justice.
Story 7: Is everyone forgetting that Kya has a history with OP’s girlfriend? That Celine’s ex cheated on her with Kya? Sure, maybe Kya didn’t know what was happening at the time, but it is clear that there is still animosity towards one another, as they never seemed to talk it out. So no, Celine does not owe it to OP to “hear him out” like so many in these comments are suggesting. If Kya truly understood this boundary of OP’s relationship, she should have never suggested him staying in her bed. 1:41:39
Story 3: That guy hates his partner and expressing it in selfish, childish, and abusive ways. Pranks are supposed to be genuinely funny for both parties; if it's not, then it is called bullying. The fact he KNOWS his wife does NOT like pranks yet still continues? He hates her and/or hates the life he has with her but doesn't have the balls to leave the relationship decently.
Story 6: I feel they won’t just door dash or get something quick. Sounds like they eat clean and make food from scratch knowing how unhealthy other stuff can be. So I would be upset if I put all that effort for a dog to eat better than me
Sorry 7: I see what they’re saying about how OP has misstepped but anyone else feel weird about how long it’s taking girlfriend to respond or show up for their planned date? Like OP was reaching out but Selene was flaking
I agree. If I’m throwing up in public and then in my bed after being a zombie because of studying for 3 weeks straight I would crash anywhere possible. He started on the couch but his roommate did him a favor fby cleaning him up and offering a bed. The girlfriend validly already had trust issues around the roommate but tried to convince herself that she was fine with them living together.
Yesssss, I feel super weird about the girlfriend too! Everyone was talking shit about OP, and to be fair he was wrong, but he was also very stressed and clearly doesn't know how to deal with it and his studying. But the girlfriend was off too, she could have stayed with him, also the only time they managed to be together she was an hour late and then she was mad at OP because he fell asleep, like wtf?? Also, I don't think she handled the situation of seeing him in best friend's bed correctly. I think the best friend was just trying to help and the girlfriend just walks in THINKS she sees something and then blocks him in everything, c'mon girlie? Somebody needs to learn better communication skills. That said I totally disagree with their take, I'm glad I'm not the one because I was thinking I was crazy!
i feel weird abt the gf and the roommate because why would you put him in your bed knowing his gf is someone you had an affair on with her ex bf n she’s very insecure abt you…. if i was in her position even if the guy was my bsf i wouldn’t put him in my bed kuz i would know that it’s just gonna create an issue
@@bee-oz4tp I think she just wanted him to sleep well because he was in such bad shape, I genuinely think she just wanted him to be confortable, which is why she slept on the couch instead. She probably thought about the girlfriend, but maybe she didn't she was going to show up and see him like that or maybe she thought she would understand, idk but I don't she did it on purpose
Story 6: okay, I have some thoughts on this one too as someone who has fed raw and even formulated my dogs meals myself. Nowadays, I feed Arcana with raw toppers as my schedule is crazy and premade raw is super spendy. But even when I made all their meals, I would never feed our pets food meant for us. I would buy bulk to save on costs and freeze it. I would get what I needed for say 1 month. It was kept fully separate from our meals. And if I couldn’t afford it then I would give them kibble before I would take food from my family. Wild. Also, THAT much human food isn’t okay. Meals have to be nutritionally balanced. Up to 25% can be supplemented - so you can do say a bowl of kibble and 25% can be swapped out for meat. But if they’re actually eating all his lunches then they’re not getting a balanced diet.
I get the rain battered window analogy but rain doesn’t have opposable thumbs that can reach out and open the window. Or smash it to pieces with a hammer. Never under estimate what a highly motivated person can achieve.
@@TwoHotTakesAw thanks! ❤Not sure how I missed this but was rewatching the episode and saw my comment had a response from you. lol nice little surprise 2 months later
With story 5- i have a lot of guy friends, and I'm so careful about being respectful to their partners because i would feel terrible about making another woman even possibly feel insecure. It's really different when there are kids too, because you are living on a set schedule, and that's usually the time you would set time aside for your own partner. I'm convinced that woman has intentions towards him, and it's fine to see that happening and not be okay with it.
i have a sort of unpopular opinion i guess because i think the problem isn’t necessarily her texting because maybe there are other intentions but it honestly could be completely innocent and some people have different opinions about what is respectful and if the husband is responding to the messages late at night and doesn’t find it disrespectful while his wife does the issue that incompatibility between the couple if he’s not responding to the texts then it’s alright
@@oliviaa2371I'm also on the fence. I'd need to see how it plays out. In one of my friend groups, I'm closer to the guys because we all were in a 2 year long weekly DnD campaign together and I tend to grow closer to people I spend more time with. But I also like their wives and make it a point to catch up with them whenever I see them at board game night and try to make plans with them too. My advice to OP would be for her to reach out to the wife and see if she's receptive to becoming friends with her too. If she completely rejects OP, then I'd be suspicious.
I disagree. If daycare Mom had bad intentions, why set up a group hang/play date with both spouses. It sounds like hubby and daycare Mom have made a genuine friendship through their chit chatting at pick ups etc, and OP just sees the other family as a convenient play date, and has no interest in building a friendship. And if it turned out that Daycare Mom did have nefarious intentions, OP said that she trusts her husband. It takes two to tango.
@@tessdanae9598 this is usually how affair start. It is completely inappropriate to be messaging someone else’s partner at a time A) they might be intimate with their partner, B) hanging out with their partner since they do have kids probably the only alone time they can get, and C) when they should/could be sleeping. Of course they want to see buddy Buddy with the wife so she doesn’t suspect anything, you learn their living habits/schedule so you can work around it, and of course, you want to see the way she interacts with her kids so she can start acting the same way with OPs child. Yes, it could be delusional to think this, but this is literally how almost every single affair starts.
I'm a big advocate for water birth! I had the most magical waterbirth with my 10lb8oz baby last October! Water really does help massively with the pain! That's being said, birth (especially birth without pain relief) takes a lot of mindset prep to have a positive experience. However you give birth is very personal to you and no one should tell you how you should do it. Obviously, in some cases, emergencies happen and you have no control over how you deliver but in most cases, you should have control over what happens to you during this process. You should have no say over someone else's birth, even if they are carrying your child.
The biggest red flag in the whole of the first story, the surrogate they had dropping out at the last minute. They probably show their colours when the had initial meetings leading up to insemination/embryo implantation and the first surrogate was like 'buh-bye nutzos, you can have a child but I ain't helping'.
Yeah I feel like sometimes people who need surrogates get so desperate that they’ll say or do anything to get someone to agree to be their surrogate and once it’s too late to back out they act like a baby trapper. I’m sure most surrogate situations work out well and the parents are kind to their surrogate. Of course you don’t hear about those.
the second story, as a daycare teacher there is most definitely a difference between a 1 & 2 yr old, 2&3, 4&5,5&6, etc. this will never work unless she makes one think hes a genius or the other that hes behind on every single milestone.
Don't take it to heart Morgan, trolls like to troll and will stir up shit where there isn't any. Everybody who's been here from the beginning knows what a green flag Justin is ❤️ been here since 2021, thanks for getting me through the rough patches, much love from Canada 🇨🇦
For story 2. She has IRISH twins, born 1 year or less apart. My 2 kiddos were almost Irish twins but they are 1 years and 4 days apart. They are just as close to eachother as twins would be, and now that they are older they get mistaken as twins, but I let people know they arent. But that momma needs some help, raising them as twins would just confuse them, they need to grow and be their own person at their pace
hearing story 3 after the smosh redditors did the same story last week, & talked about you and shayne's episode together on the same vid.... the crossovers just keep crossing over lol
As someone who’s a twin herself, growing up we BOTH felt pinned against one another by family, friends, teachers, just everybody because more often than not people have a massive inability to distinguish twins as separate people. There is a pressure from others to “get along, ur twins!” But that very phrase would send us spiraling even more because the expectations versus reality are vastly different. People have a tendacy to think twins are one and the same and anyone who is a twin or has raised twins will tell you immediately that they are night and day. People who often meet me and just me without my twin, are shocked when I mention having a twin and 100% of the time they immediately imagine another person walking around exactly like me and I always say “we are like night and day” because all my life I have never been seen as my own person by other people. I have always been either compared to my twin or grouped in with my twin and she would say the exact same thing, people either love to pin us against each other or see us as the same exact person and it’s just not true. Also, that mother is absolutely insane ima just say that outright
im a twin! im definitely closer with my twin than our other sibling. but i feel like its mostly because its a larger age difference. the fact that you’re twins doesn’t add pressure to a relationship, we have always been close and our parents didn’t push it. but def was pressure to always be compared growing up 🤷🏻♀️ OP’s wife is crazy. I don’t think there’s anything to back her thoughts here
same! i have sisters 12, 10, and 2 years older. my twin sister and i are fraternal and have always been close naturally from sharing a bedroom for so long and we bonded together way more than with our other sisters. however, we were still always compared more than with our other sisters, she has been diagnosed with learning disabilities and autism and I have a lot of symptoms of ADHD, but was never tested because I didn’t act the same as her or struggle with school. I know our parents always compared us and made her feel bad for not understanding things the way I do. it was a lot more understanding for them that we are different from our sister that is two years older and the even older ones because of our age difference. it is better to be honest and not force a close relationship with the siblings because either way they would still have that sibling bond.
Identical here! Now that my folks are gone, I will never speak to my sister again. "It's my dream to have twins" lady can just get bent. Yes let's make their entire identity about being twins and treat them like they are the same. Gross.
Story 5: while I agree that the woman is being inappropriate, I do think OP’s issue should be with her partner. Ultimately, it’s on him to have boundaries and he’s the one committed to her. I can’t imagine behaving that way tho! I’m a single parent so many of the parents I coordinate play dates with are married. In some cases, the dad is taking the lead since they’re home more or it’s a blended family and they’re his bio kids. That means we talk more but I make sure to have conversations with both of them if they’re both there. And I would NEVER text late at night. Honestly all texts are solely about the kids. It’s common courtesy.
The funeral story has my blood boiling. My boyfriend of 7 years just lost his cousin 2 weeks ago and we spent all weekend at his funeral services. He kept telling me I didn't need to go to every event, but I insisted. I told him it was my choice because I loved him and I would never let him be alone during these times. After the funeral, he told me he couldn’t believe he hasn't married me yet because of how much I supported him. This, is how a partner should treat their other during an important death, not disrespectful bullshit like that. I sat and starved through a 7 hour wake, and I'd gladly do it again (though ideally not because it was so tragic and heartbreaking) because I love him so much and couldn’t let him hurt alone.
i’m a twin, and it is/was not a great experience for me. we’re 23 now so it’s more just a sister relationship, but when we were little it was really hard to be myself. having two people with very different personalities be the same age, dressed similar, looked (kind of) similar, etc. you (at least i did) grow up thinking something is wrong with you if you aren’t similar to your sister (and it still feels this way sometimes). i’ve seen twins that get along so well and are meant to be twins, and maybe it’s because i was a fraternal twin, but if your kids are born separately and aren’t twins, you should not force them to act like twins just because it’s “what you want”. it will likely cause more issues in them in the long run
For the surrogate story, even if it’s family or friends (especially honestly) these things should have been talked about before and put on paper in a contract!! You don’t wait until the pregnancy happens to set boundaries, expectations, etc. it honestly just sounds like poor planning all around. Everyone including OP should have done their due diligence. It was so nice of the OP to offer and the parents need to realize she didn’t have to in the first place and doesn’t have to do everything they ask… but I can’t help but feel like some of this could have been avoided with a little forethought from both parties. Edit to add: Totally agree! Now that they’re here in the situation and the baby is coming soon, everything needs to yield to the physical & mental well-being of the person carrying the baby! Stress during the birth process can actually cause problems like stalling (your body will not go through the birth process if you don’t feel safe and relaxed). So agreed, her husband needs to give them the boot and make her comfortable no matter what. FYI a surrogate can be upwards of $50k… they should be kissing her feet because she’s doing this for FREE!
What I am worried about is if everything went badly and there had to be a choice of surrogate or baby. From what I understand she is not directly related to the couple (her husband's brother I think) so they might not care if she lives so long as they get their long awaited baby. I agree with the husband and setting a tough boundary that your wife will birth how she wants in a safe way and they will wait in the waiting room. I would also take it a step further and let the hospital staff know that you are to be kept separated from the parents and the parents can meet the baby in another room from where you recover.
Story 2- My hot take as a twin, boy mom, and kindergarten teacher. -My biggest question is why. Why does she even remotely think this is a good idea and that it will ever work. -My twin and I had / have a GREAT relationship (almost 30 fraternal female twins). But I was actually always closer to my older sister. It is hard when growing up having everything as one. The same birthday, sharing clothes, friends, etc. You feel as though you don't have a separate identity, and everyone considers you as a unit, not two different people. Now it's totally different being adults, but growing up, that was hard. - As a kindergarten teacher and boy mom- I feel as though you are setting one of your boys up for failure. An entire year is a major difference mentally, physically, and academically in children. Especially when younger. Morgan made a great point- many boys do benefit from starting Kindergarten later. So if Boy A is 'held' back and starts a year later with Boy B, he may excell. But what if Boy B isn't developmentally ready to be in Kindergarten yet. A lot of maturity happens in a year. Boys are always trying to 'compete' in life and this can destroy one of them, or both, by fueling that fire even more. Let your boys thrive as individuals. - There is no way to realistically get away with this. You can't fake a birth certificate. And how does she plan to have all family/ friends go along with this delusional plan. Let them be brothers, as they truly are. Their relationship will be what it is no matter if they are twins or just brothers.
Things I have learned through this podcast: never be a surrogate for a relative especially your sister.
in my country surrogacy it's only allowed between family, it can't have any type of financial benefit to the person getting pregnant, and it has A LOT of bureaucracy involved it was a no no for me before listening to the podcast it's a even harder NO after listening
Sister in law**** that has 100000000 more issues than actual sister from the stories ive seen. I would surrogate but only through an agency tbh
I think it’s actually recommended to avoid surrogacy within the family!
@@nataliaalves4060I honestly think surrogates should be paid because of the hardship they have to go through for someone else. They may have post partum depression AND not even have a baby there and go through that all for someone else’s happiness. And that’s a beautiful thing to do for someone, but that doesn’t take away from the difficultly, the hormone imbalances, the depression, the natural inclination to become attached to the baby inside of you, the pain, the vomiting, the weight gain, the lifestyle changes, the stitches, the healing, etc.
Like, they deserve to be paid more than just their hospital bills and doctor’s appointments if that’s what they want and the family they’re holding the baby for agrees in my opinion.
@@bunnylacy2097 I totally agree with you, I just said how it works in my country, I never said I agreed with it. In Brazil women don't have as many rights as in the US for example the only way we could get an abortion is in 3 cases: 1. The pregnancy is the result of SA, 2. The pregnancy represents a risk for the mother and 3. The fetus has anencephaly. and even in those cases it's hard to get one. Brazilian women were fighting with our government so a child (12yo) who got pregnant after being r*ped could get access to her right to an abortion. It's the law, it's flawed I don't agree with any of it but it's how it works here. Being a surrogate here is only allowed if the person getting pregnant is related to those wanting the baby, for example if I were to be surrogate I could only do it for my sistes, my aunts and uncles, my cousins and I couldn't do it for anyone else. They couldn't pay me for it, because it could mean I was being forced to do so, but they could pay for all the medical expenses, since the conception to the post partum, but I couldn't get a penny of that. It would have to be a free willing thing for me to do, that's why I personally wouldn't do it.
But I gotta mention some good things too, here we have a breast milk bank, all women who are breastfeeding can donate their milk to the babies in ICU or whose mother can't breastfeed them because of health issues, it's free for the donor, it's free for the families benefiting from it. Also all the vaccines are free and I mean ALL OF THEM (for anyone, everyone, even those who weren't born here but are in need)
It is what it is, I can't change that
When I was 24 I found out I was pregnant and did not want to keep the baby. My mom’s friend had been trying to adopt for a long time and she was thrilled at the chance of adopting the child I was carrying, so in essence I was her surrogate. She requested to be in the room when I gave birth, I said no. She requested to be by the door behind a curtain to hear the first cry, I said no. And she respected my boundaries. She didn’t interfere with my birth plan, how I spent my pregnancy, or anything. She also had her own boundaries. In CA a birth mother has one year to change her mind, she asked if I did please have my lawyer contact her but she couldn’t hear it from me. I didn’t, she’s an amazing mother. But I respected her boundary as well. Being a surrogate requires so much trust from both parties, because for one it’s their child for the other it’s their body. If you can’t handle either side of that and learn when to let go, then you shouldn’t be a surrogate or use a surrogate. That couple was absolutely in the wrong for their behavior.
I don’t know how your comment doesn’t have more likes and doesn’t have any replies ?? I really love how you put your comment and really loved how you put “for one, it’s their child, for the other it’s their body”, I don’t think it could be put or simplified better. Also want to say what an amazing thing it was that you did for them and think it is absolutely beautiful.
I don’t know how your comment doesn’t have more likes and no replies ?? I really love how you put/worded your comment, and specifically the part “for one, it’s their child, for the other it’s their body”, it resonated with me and I don’t think it could be put or simplified better. Also want to say what an amazing thing it was that you did for them and think it is absolutely beautiful.
Story 3 PISSED ME OFF. You gave your guests BREASTMILK WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT??? You GAVE YOUR WIFE FECES TO EAT??? DIVORCE. IMMEDIATELY. This is absolutely disgusting behavior and I am so glad she divorced him.
Also my favorite insult is that “he’s like a cloud. As soon as he goes away it’s a beautiful day”
I heard this exact same story on Smosh, and bro. 🤦♀️
I am at a complete loss for words as to how some people can be this borderline sociopathic.
No literally. You can get hepatitis a from poop because it’s literally toxic waste that leaves your body. That is like a crime.
Not to mention because she is so stressed from the constant "pranking", the cortisol affecting her milk production so she can't feed her baby (with breast milk at least) so he is using what little she can make to prank guests? Wrong on so many levels in that prank alone
Reminds me of the slug guy who was feeding his girl slugs and making her sick , it's only going to keep getting worse and worse
Divorce, then abuse/poisoning charges. He needs sent away, either in cuffs or in a straight jacket.
Smosh also read story 3 on their podcast and Justin's thousand yard stare vs Smosh's jumping screaming reaction is sending me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“If it ain’t fixed, don’t break it.” MORGAN. 💀
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I love her for that
I feel for her, I do the same thing where I say things backwards lol
I mean, it's still true I suppose 😅
I love Morganisms
I’m currently a surrogate for a beautiful couple. They are very scared as new parents and can get a little overwhelming with their questions and concerns. But before we even started anything we went to lawyers. We have a 50+ page contract stating anything and everything that could go on in the pregnancy. Birth plans were made before the embryo transfer was done. I have two months to go and I am feeling extremely blessed to be able to carry a child for a very deserving couple. ❤️
story 3 is insane. him WASTING THEIR CHILDS FOOD ON A PRANK would have me ready for divorce. eating shit would make me homicidal fr
Right id be going to jail cause tf😭
I came here to say that as no one else seemed to notice. She’s struggling to keep up with demand too, probably due to stress and sleep deprivation. He’s taking food from his newborn for his amusement. Scum!
My Mom passed away in July of 2022. While she was dying my partner of almost 4 years yelled at me for calling him to tell him because I "ruined the rest of his shift" and after only made me feel guilty for wanting support and refused to be there for me until it was convenient for him. There had been issues in the past, but this was the point that I realized that he did not and could not love me. I left him 2 weeks after her passing and it was the best decision I could have made for myself. To the woman who lost her dad: I'm so sorry your heart is hurting from not only that devastating loss, but the loss of the connection you thought you had with your partner. Get out and take care of you❤
That's so awful. I called my husband yesterday towards the end of his shift just because his sister said a horrendously rude thing as a joke on a fam chat. Just that. Good for you. ❤️
@@Garbanzobish I lost my Mom last year and my heart goes out to you. The one time you expect your partner to be sympathetic and this ... Big hugs to you 🤗
I'm so sorry. I've just lost my mum 2 months ago and it's an unimaginable experience until you have unfortunately lived it 😢 I'm sorry they let you down at such a difficult time that must've been horrendous 😢
I’m so sorry you had to deal with a toxic relationship on top of something so hard as parent passing, but I know you’ve made her proud finding the courage to leave. That is how her legacy remains 🤍
Only on story number 2, but as a nanny with 10+ years experience, there are HUGE differences between 1 and 2 year olds. Faking birth certificates is going to be a major felony and who knows what the penalty for that would be. That lady is bonkers (as politely as possible) and she definitely needs to see some professional help.
I’m a nanny too and have worked with kids for about 5 years and yes, so much growing happens during these ages that it definitely would be noticeable
Mom of twins, my sons are nothing alike. They have never been in the same class or had the same friends. It’s truly insane to lie to kids about being twins.
What’s even scarier is HER FAMILY IS ON BOARD so she thinks she’s justified. It’s not just her. They’re all bonkers.
@@peaselco I'm sure this isn't the case but I wonder if the family knows something is going on mentally so they want to say anything to her that won't cause her more stress. They might not agree but they don't want to make her upset. I'm sure that's not the case though. It's just a thought.
he posted an update, i guess she had severe postpartum depression after their first and he believes she’s experiencing some kind of postpartum psychosis so he has the kids and she’s staying with family for now
I'm sorry, but you CANNOT tell me in good faith that you guys think that the guy from the funeral story is WORSE THAN THE GUY WHO PLAYED ALL THOSE STUPID PRANKS FROM THE STORY BEFORE. If anyone's a black flag, it would be pranking manchild. Funeral guy is just a red flag imo
I feel that the guy would even play a prank on her even on the funeral and not care if it’s appropriate or not. But yes I do agree with you, the guy that played pranks is the worst. There’s no need for a debate!!!
This isn't even something a child does. My own son knows better. This is something a mentally insane patient does. These are the ones who live among us, not in the institutions where they belong.
S2: They're Irish twins, that's cool enough without the weird lies lol.
My parents had 2 separate sets of Irish twins and I'm DYING laughing at the idea that this woman thinks they could even be raised as twins. That's so ridiculous
Cooler than real twins honestly
@@KamMadsright! Because the odds are crazyyyy
Yep
My first and middle children are 10 1/2 months apart. I would never call them twins. Different levels on every thing. Irish twins
Story 5 From my own experience, if the husband does not stop that interaction, it is because he is interested in the attention that woman is giving him and nothing good will come of it. Both of them are failing to respect their respective partners.
The husband that is *pranking* his wife, is a psychopath. He’s mad because his wife is maturing and he’s afraid she’s maturing PAST HIM. It’s like OP said, he’s mad things aren’t going his way.
I was kind of wondering what his childhood was like. Like people that feel the need to prank people in ways that are too extreme, typically have some sort of mental health issue going on. But also, could it be some jealousy because she had a baby and he's not getting the attention he craves?
@@noprogressionisregression6854 I'm also wondering her childhood was like. This is crazy and the pranks are abuse. Like how was he someone she liked?
Yup. Sounds like he’s mad the baby has all the attention (as it should) instead of it being on him.
I think he’s also jealous of the baby. It’s scarily too common how many male partners act out when a woman is near birth or after the baby’s born. She needs to run far away quickly
It’s like being married to your bully
Story 6 what if the wife has binge eating disorder and she's eating the food herself but is too ashamed to admit it
What if she is having an affair and they casually eat up hubby's food and blame it on the dogs? 🤔
@@bluescherryzunight well that would be unhinged 😭
OMFG I was thinking the same too!
This poor woman needs to get a lawyer involved! There was no contract so OP is free to manage her pregnancy and birth any way she wants to. I think there is a possibility that she could sue her brother for damages if he and his wife continue to harass her.
The amount of stories we hear about people not having contracts because “it’s family” is crazy. If we’ve learned anything, ALWAYS have a contract
It also seems to foreshadow that if the couple have any issues with the baby in the future, even normal things like colic or allergies, they will outright blame OP for not doing the supplements, classes, or birth how they wanted. Definitely need a lawyer ASAP!
Better dont do it. Children are not objects. You can not treat them as a comertial transation!!!!
@@elisaalvarez7951wtf
@@elisaalvarez7951No one is saying kids are objects, but in being a surrogate, you are providing a service for someone. Would you say daycares shouldn't have contracts because kids are involved?
For number 7 I feel like we should have some empathy for the kid who’s studying. Sounds like he’s super stressed and anxious and maybe isn’t all there because of how fatigued he is. He needs support and probably an intervention rather than being told he’s an A hole tbh
Yeah this. Also I feel like gf could have also been more understanding. She could have helped him study if she wanted to spend time with him. She's also definitely not over what happened with her ex, she acted like she caught OP in the act when he was alone & asleep.
I feel like the gf should’ve never been in a relationship so soon if she couldn’t get over what her ex did too her. I feel bad for OP because it’s not like it went out of his way to purposely fall asleep in his roommates bed. He literally passed out from exhaustion and dehydration. I feel like the downfall of the relationship already started when the gf came in the relationship with insecurities of infidelity because of her ex. I do think it was good for OP to have the talk about boundaries with his gf and then tell his roommate the boundaries were. But I do think their two mutual friends are assholes for not trying to hear his side of the story. Idk this is how I felt when listening and hearing most of the comments calling him the asshole when both parties could’ve done better🤦🏻♀️😭
@@catT5236 agreed, and It’s so weird that she just so happened to date kaia’s roommate. I feel like she needs some therapy and to get AWAY from Kaia haha
@@xariag1588 yeah and it’s so weird that she just so happened to date her roommate 🤔
@@kaiab.-wx8mz it's also weird she was in Kaia'a room at all. Why would she be going in there without permission & if Kaia did tell her she probably said he was crashing there.
When I was pregnant my MIL literally said to me, "you're not important to me anymore; you are an incubator." She thought that was so funny. Guess who has been to see her grandkids like MAYBE 15 times in 7 years?
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wtf, tell me your partner stood up for you
That’s generous
@user-wc6wb6qn1r Hell yeah he did 😎
Should've been 0 if you ask me
Can you invite Bailey Sarian and talk more about psychotic red flag stories???
YASSSS!!! Please make this a thing!!!
Oh my gosh, Bailey would be such a good guest! She knows a ton about psychopath and sociopath red flags too from all of her research. I love her!
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S2 has an update. The dad left with the kids, is currently seeking options on what to do next. Everyone recommends a lawyer and a OB/GYN for possible postpartum pyscosis. Tsss....
Thank goodness. That story ENRAGED me due to the psychological harm!! I was FLOORED her family was encouraging this insane idea! The family doesn't have post partem psychosis!
Morgan: I can't read it
Also Morgan: *reads it anyway*
Came to the comments to see if I was the only one who noticed that lol
Story 3: Shayne also read this, but hearing it again doesn’t make it less crazy-
Shane got it off THT subreddit
yeah he even said he was curious what morgans take on that particular story
I was out riding my bike while listening, and I gagged in memory of it from hearing it on Smosh during the start 😂. I held strong during the grossest part when Morgan read it somehow...
😂 my first thought was "sweet, Shane will be excited" @@scs428
Omg no wonder I was like????? Am I tripping or did she already read this, did I listen twice?? Now it makes sense lol I just heard it on smosh
I'm a twin and when we were younger we were expected to be best friends and really close, but my dad purposely put us with different teachers in school and always encouraged us to develop our own personalities! That really helped us both!
Twin over here too with a not really Irish twin lil brother (we we're born in May 03 he on March 05 but we wholesomely joke he's an oops tho my parents never thought they'll get pregnant naturally {had sis and I via treatment} anyways) being a twin have it's ups and downs I wouldn't trade my twin sister for the world but sometimes it's hard living by her side for various reasons but I still love her sm (despite her annoyances) but sometimes it's sucks in my siblings shadow regdless of which sibling I talk about (also for the oops kid jokes about fuzzy we do them only since he's 18 so don't worry)
Story 6 has me so fucking pissed. Put a lock box in the fridge and feed all the wife’s favorite foods to the dog everyday every damn day
Haha same! My SO ate the chocolate I bought during my period, and I had a meltdown 😅 he felt so bad he bought me chocolates and sweets the day after!
That was one time! If I were the husband, I wouldn't prepare anything and just order take out! If she complains about the cost, then she needs to stop feeding everything to the dogs! Holy moly!
I don’t understand when people say “cheating is usually accidental” because how? Did you trip and fall to your car keys stumble to your car accidentally hit the gas and drive to their house have your pants fall off and slip onto someone? Were you sleepwalking? It’s not an accident.
Not accidental like that.
When people say that they mean it in the “I didn’t think about it and just let it happen”.
Now this doesn’t work for the people who clearly made conscious choices (going on a dating app, purposely seeking out an affair, etc). This is more for those “hanging out and ended up fucking” type situations. Where there was no active thoughts being put into it, just irresponsibility and stupidity.
@@sarahjackson2889 you don’t “just end up fucking”
S1: Former doula here. OP is absolutely NTA! The best birth-plan is whatever makes the individual going into active labor the most comfortable, as long as she's not endangering herself or the child, they don't have much of a say here. They can express their feelings, desires, and wishes but they're just that - feelings, desires, and wishes. This is likely coming from a place of pain, it's got to be incredibly difficult to watch someone seemingly do something with complete and total ease that isn't even on the table for you. But it excuses nothing and if they cause stress or anxiety around the birth, they do not need to be in the room. Period.
I agree though my thought here is everyone kind of messed up by not discussing and formally agreeing on the birth plan BEFORE she ever agreed to be their surrogate. Should this not have been ironed out well before this point?
@@cassiemta It definitely should have been ironed out well before this point or at the very least, discussed. I don't know anyone who would recommend agreeing to be a surrogate without this being covered. At this point, it's a bit late but being unreasonable and controlling because they're hurting doesn't seem wise.
Oh yea it's too late now, and they're obviously being unreasonable and at this point she just needs to be safe and relaxed during labor. I was just curious if for some reason it's normal to discuss it after the fact. Because I do feel like both surrogate and parents have a right to some input. It's the surrogate's body and for the parents most parents get to make those choices so it's understandable they would want a say. And the only way that could ever be fair to everyone involved is to agree to a compromise in writing in advance.
@@cassiemta Oh no, it's not at all normal! I texted a few of my old colleagues lol just to see if they had ever heard of an agreement to surrogacy being made without a birth-plan approval and they all said no. Honestly, I think it's one of the factors used to decide if you're a good match or not. Makes total sense as to why! I'd say that yes, they do have a right to input but it matters far less in the birth room. Ex: They want her to have a natural and unmedicated birth but if something were to seem off or like things could go awry, their input and feelings go out the window. You want to involve them as much as possible but the truth of it is, whoever is giving birth and whose life is at immediate risk is who we are going to be listening to.
@diamcole oh yea I feel like any agreement is thrown out the window this medical and psychology needs for surrogate and/or baby change. The initial plan everyone should agree to, but I would imagine there's a clause in any agreement that if things don't go as planned surrogate and medical professionals' opinions trump the parents.
Story 7: Everybody sucks here. OP should have taken better care of themselves when studying and texting Selene. HOWEVER, Selene should have been more confident in their relationship and acknowledged her own feelings about OP and Kaya, but it is weird that Selene just jumped to conclusions about thinking OP was cheating even though OP texted about being really sick. Kaya was a good friend, and maybe if there was more communication going on, then there wouldn't be a breakup.
I agree. I don’t think Selene was being honest when he asked her about how she felt about him living with Kaya and has waiting for something to happen. Also if she missed him so much the moment she’d get a notification on her phone i think she would try to respond ASAP especially when he says he’s so sick. OP definitely should’ve tried to even out his schedule and have a meal a day with Selene or at least a 1-2 times a week but at the end of the day I don’t think Selene was the right person for him. She jumped the gun due to her own insecurities
There’s an update for the second story, he told her to leave because she got so mad at him for not wanting to follow her plan. He said her family is very supportive of this and she told him she’d raise them herself if he doesn’t agree. He wants her to go to therapy
Holy crap that is unhinged. To want this lie more than you want your husband and baby daddy! What is this family's obsession with twins?!
I hope he has some written documentation of her intentions that he can take to court and petition for full custody. She's totally unhinged, and so is her family. Raising them "as twins" in the sense of dressing them alike all the time would honestly still not be ideal, but reasonable. I can't fathom why she wouldn't settle for that.
They both should get therapy, sounds like he needs a rational, psychologically educated person to talk to about all of this and maybe get legal advice
There is an additional update - he kicked her out.
Story 7: I get it though once exam week starts coming up I don’t talk to anyone I’m ngl I barely talked to my mom chem be kicking my ass I understand 😂😂
Story 6- She thinks he’s being UNREASONABLE?! That’s insane. She has no respect for her husband. She said it’s “no big deal.” It IS TO HIM! Wtf. He put all that work into prepping lunches for the week and she doesn’t care one bit. That just made me so upset.
Yess girl! Wtf it’s wrong with her 😩 it’s his hard work I love my dogs but I can’t ever see the correlation from trying to feet the. Well and taking my husband food away…. She needs to pick up the slack and prepare their dogs food if she truly cares that much, any person with two senses wouldn’t do this to anyone!
@@jatnnag.3008 Exactly! Or at least make sure that when you do have time, you cook up some food to replace what you took from your husband! If the food is too fancy to remake it yourself, then its too fancy to give it to the dogs.
I was literally like she hates this man 🤣😅
@@jatnnag.3008 RIGHT! I’m absolutely flabbergasted lol
Exactly! I feel like they missed this point entirely this time. The issue isn’t time or money, the issue is the lack of respect.
And I’m sure Morgan listened to this again when editing and was like, “How did I miss that?!?!!” 😂
Story 2: I hate parents who want to do things solely for their own selfish interests. There is no benefit for the kids, it’s solely because the mom wants twins. Gross.
story 3: that food tampering. it is a crime. she is wild for not wanting to divorce him. nothing has changed after all the conversations and fights. i hope she eventually got some sense and left him.
Thank you!! I was like yelling it’s a f*ing crime!! Both the breast milk and the poop!!!
In fairness to her she did just give birth and I’m sure she’s not thinking super clearly. She’s getting woken up and is sleep deprived and could be still suffering from post birth stuff. She does need to leave home though, and I think she’ll get there soon. It’s a big thing to work out a plan to leave when you’re taking care of a newborn and I imagine it’s overwhelming.
The woman whose dad died… No. Absolutely not. His behavior is either intentional OR he is so wildly immature and selfish that he doesnt even realize how gross his behavior is. His lack of showing up for her, LITERALLY not showing up on time. The fact she knew she would have to get him clothes to wear ahead of tome. She knows how he was going to act. My dad died last year, out of state, that I had been estranged from for 20 years. But I had to go to clean out his house (think hoarder trailer) and handle shit while dealing with the heaviness of the loss of hope there would ever be reconciliation. My husband, whose work is EXTREMELY busy, flew down right after me, did all the heavy lifting and hard work, was kind and loving and nurturing. He also knew I had to rent a car and drive back (had items of my dads for my kids and brother) 11 hrs and he didn’t want me to have to drive after such an exhausting experience. He even took an extra day to take me to the beach on the way back so we could just sit and look at the ocean which he knows is my happy place. THAT is what a spouse that loves his partner does. This guy is a clown and needs to go.
I ended an almost 8 year relationship because he volunteered to temporarily work out of state for 6 months. A few months after my grandmother, who was my parental figure, passed away. I went above and beyond for him and his family when his mom passed sway. I didn’t do it because I expected anything in return but because I truly loved him, his sisters, family, and his mom. It felt like the biggest betrayal when he couldn’t be bothered to return a fraction of care while I was very clearly drowning in grief. That experience is what shattered my rose tinted glasses. I’m so sorry to OP in story 3. You deserve a partner to give you love, reassurance, and safety. Showing up was the literal bare minimum and he barely could do that. You deserve so much better.
im sorry for your loss, and that you had to go through that afterwards. hope you are well, onto better things!
@@juliaortiz6483 you’re so sweet. Thank you so much! I really appreciate your comment. It was very rough at first. It took nearly two years (along w/ my soul dog passing away) to finally admit I needed professional help with learning how to cope in a healthy way. Thankfully I’m in a much better headspace.
Story 4: I’m so pissed for OP!!!!
2 days ago my grandfather passed away. I was angry with him towards the end. He had multiple health problems and still family was never a thought when doctors told him he wouldn’t live long. But even so, I turned to my husband and said I’m going to be with my family. Without hesitation he said, I’ll let my work know I’m not coming in, I’ll go with you.
Also 5 years ago my grandmother passed away. I was so close to her and I was barely dating my husband for a year at that time. When she was in the hospital he came to spend time with me in the waiting room. When her funeral was coming up and he realized he didn’t have any nice clothes to fit him, he asked me to come with him to the mall to buy new dress pants and shirt. He met her once…ONCE. When she was already dying. But that didn’t matter to him. He wanted to be there for me.
12 years and he couldn’t be there on time or dress nice?!!! He’s kicked to the curb!
Hi Morgan! I'm a housekeeper cleaning at work as I'm watching. A couple months ago you said you had an irrational fear of someone replacing the hotel shampoo with Nair. Soap bottles made for hotels 90% of the time are made so you CANNOT open them. If you can, it's super noticeable if they've been forced open. Hope this can help soothe that fear a bit :)
You're so kind for sharing that, thanks for the info ☺️ ❤
we stan relieving paranoia you're beautiful
That sure helped me!!! Thank you!!
We have dispensers on the wall that we refill buuuut they struggle enough with pumping the gel as it is (always getting blocked up), no way nair is coming out.
As a GM of a hotel I can confirm this! The hotel staff have special keys to open them!
As someone who just delivered a baby a few weeks ago as a gestational carrier, the only input intended parents should have regarding the birth plan are factors related directly to the baby not the actual labor itself.
Worse than a red flag is a black flag. Maybe this is a bit uncreative, if not morbid, but in mass casualty situations, EMS will ‘flag’ every patient with a color according to how quickly they need care: green being least urgent, yellow middle, red most urgent. Black flags are for patients who are beyond saving, whose injuries are so bad that there’s nothing you can do. Red flags are difficult cases but can be fixed, black flags are irreparable.
I read a story (on reddit, so not sure how true it is) about a 9/11 jumper who briefly survived the fall. From the torso down, she was completely obliterated, but adrenaline kept her conscious long enough to see an EMT place a black flag next to her. She apparently had some knowledge of EMS and knew what this meant, and she called out to the EMT “No, I’m not dead” before passing away to her injuries. Again, not sure if this is true, but it gives me chills to think about.
@@reesec4282 there's a guy on RUclips called Soren who survived this kind of injury. He's one of less than 10 with the other guy being some Chinese guy who actually put it into doctors' mind this can be survived. Too bad for that poor lady.
Black in a triage situation means a person is dead. What you are referring to is coded with the colour blue. That means, that it is either not possible to save that person or it would take so much manpower that they sadly can't provide it, cause they can save more people with it than just one. That sounds horrible and I'm hoping that I will never have to help in such a situation, but in that moment it's "better" so save more people than just the one that is already close to death.
@@EmmaSchaudel I never learned about blue, but that makes a lot more sense to separate “deadly injuries” from “dead”
And it's a shitty band! (They're fine it's just fun to take shots at Henry Rollins lol)
About story 5, some people need to understand that as long as everyone is happy, every relationship has its own "rules" and it's valid.
For a couple haning out one on one with the opposite gender is not ok? Ok, that's what they want to do. As long as they are happy it's fine.
If I'm in a poly relationship, my partner has a partner and that's not a problem, but if he treated another girl as he treats me and my meta behind our backs, that would be not okay.
It's also not okay for me to shame the first couple, or for the first couple to shame me.
When you look up “green flag” in the dictionary, there’s literally a picture of Justin
Seriously I wonder what he said to make someone say he was a red flag cause he’s the greenest green flag I’ve ever seen lol
@jesslynxr They literally only say that because some time he has takes they don't agree with. Like the renovations episode 🤦🏽♀️ like yall it's not that deep
Came here to say the same thing! I think someone who says Justin is a red flag is probably used to crappy partners. For them, Justin is too good to be true. His lack of red flags is the red flag.
A huge red flag of his is that doesn’t believe there are people who don’t watch porn 🤢
@@jesslynxr i don't think it's wrong of people who expect their partners to not watch porn to see justin discussing watching porn in the way he does, and say that it's a red flag. it's about personal preference
Story 6: I cooked my dogs (2 large German shepherds) food for 2 years while living abroad. I would never consider feeding them our meal prep wtf lol. She needs to plan better or just stick to kibble. Wild.
The prank story OMG. RUN AWAY!!!! Go file assault charges against his ass and leave him in your dust!!!
Dude is THE definition of Red Flag
“Hit by a horse” is such a Morgan mean thing to say 😂
I shouldn’t have had to scroll this far to find this comment. I thought the exact same thing!
After the baby poo one, it’s game over mate. We throwing hands.
How much psychological abuse has this woman suffered, for her to think she might be blowing things out of proportion by wanting a divorce after being so blatantly disrespected and mistreated?
Worse then that! I can’t imagine NOT getting a divorce that’s disgusting!! They would be 6 ft under after that “prank”
I was a surrogate in 2020 and I couldn't even finish the story before I was already angry. Like from the beginning the baby was theirs, the pregnancy was ours, and the birth was mine. They knew that as lokg as I was doing what was medically necessary and not putting the life of their baby at risk, they didn't control that part of it. And they always showed how grateful they were, before, during, and after the pregnancy. And they were strangers when we met! This is her brother family! They should be treating her with nothing but love and gratefulness. Not only the only the pregnancy, the birth, and the risk of death, future infertility, or complications but in order to be a surrogate like a gestational carrier, which most are you have to go through Embryo transfer which means: a lot of hormones, a lot of fucking needles in the hip (like a lot, especially if you go through multiple like me) and then you have things like miscarriage which are mentally and physically traumatic even when it's not your own baby. This is why, even when it's family always always always put a contract in place BEFORE you get pregnant and every term is put in place. Make sure you hire a lawyer who has done Surrogacy contracts before, especially if you're in Canada (it's illegal to pay a surrogate here, which, due to the things listed above infuriates me to no end). Even paid surrogates need to have it decided in no uncertain terms who makes what decision about what, who gets to decide who is in the room etc. Btw, I'm a nobody so I don't know if it'd count as a collab but I would 100% come on if you ever come back to Canada and want to look at more surrogate or Canada based AITA ☺️
The dog food story. Did you catch that he’s making home made sausage - from scratch! That takes SO much work. There’s something more going on
In bullet:
- no time to cook but can make things like sausages from scratch
- can't door dash, order in or get take out but can prep for elaborate meals
- wife won't let her have her fancy food but gives it to dogs...
I want to be a fly on their wall too... or just one of their phones. Wife still sucks though.
This story was soooo confusing to me! Either there’s major details missing or op is lying about what is happening
@@availanila I mean, DoorDash takes time. If he only has 30 minutes to eat & discovers his food is gone and it's actually lunch time, like noon, he could be waiting an hour for food that might not even be what he ordered.
There isn’t money for DoorDash because the wife spent it on the dogs. I bet he can’t even order DoorDash if he had the money because the wife gave the dogs his phone. Even if he had his phone, I bet the dogs would beat him to the door when DoorDash got there, and then he still wouldn’t have food anyway. He’s not gonna be properly nourished with these dogs in that house. The wife has allowed the dogs to dominate the household; and OP and his wife are actually the dogs’ slaves now
I feel like everyone is overthinking this one. The bottom line is that the husband has a very demanding schedule, however he values having a healthy homecooked lunch, so he takes time every week to make his own meals. His wife does not respect his time and effort, therefore she sees no issue with feeding their dogs food that he made for himself. The whole conversation about why he doesn't doordash is super irrelevant.There are many reasons why that wouldn't be an option for him. Maybe they have a budget and paying for doordash (Which is very expensive) would ruin that budget, or maybe this man is on a specific diet that his meal prep matches and doordashing much less healthy food would ruin that diet, or maybe they live in a rural area where they can't doordash (This is why I can't use doordash. Regardless of the reason, he shouldn't have to doordash at all. If his wife actually respected him, he would not end up lunchless. If the wife truly didn't have time to make the dogs food, then fine, feed them his meal prep, but you better take the time to replace his meal prep that you gave to the dogs. Idk what the wife eats every week, or what her job is, but if you find yourself in a spot where you dont have time to cook the dogs their food over and over again, then maybe she should be doing a bit of meal prep on her own for the dogs.
No the prank one is INSANE!!! I would’ve left after the breastmilk one. My boyfriend has seen me BAWL for HOURS over me spilling an ounce or two I couldn’t imagine him purposefully wasting it. That is so insane
S7 - as someone who when something like exams are coming up (even without parental pressure) I can get super MIA with people I don’t see an issue especially when he gave a heads up. I don’t think he’s an asshole and the gf not even hearing him out sucks imo.
Same, I'm wrapping up the end of my degree rn and my bf would 100% understand if I just sort of dropped off. It's par for the course when you're in an intense program, I was surprised people didn't get that
I love all these crazy wild stories but I was wondering could we get another wholesome episode soon? I often think about that episode with the ring that got thrown out then found it’s way back to the owner and when the girl thought a person was drowning but was actually swimming and then they went on to date. An episode like fate, meant to be, crazy coincidences kind of episode. Or an episode to restore faith in humanity because gosh these stories are examples of how awful some people can be and the world is pretty dark rn so a lighthearted episode would be great. Love you guys❤ (also Justin is the ultimate green flag!💚)
Smosh read story 3 last week or so, and it was just as disturbing hearing it on this episode. I totally agree about the locked mini fridge, that was the first thought that popped into my head.
Story 6: maybe the wife should cook for them damn dogs herself! Also because I’m extra petty, I’d ONLY cook things the dogs can’t eat.
Story 3: Feeding someone that introduces them to hepatitis. He is absolutely sick
Story 3: I love when Justin is just clearly pissed at these abusive jerks.
You guys are dead on. Honestly, after birth is such a vulnerable time for women…. You’re still healing and bleeding from delivery, you’re adjusting to a newborn, you’re sleep deprived, and you’re taking care of a baby around the clock and just at your limit.
What kind of guy is waking up their wife and undermining her breastfeeding efforts rather than doing everything they can to support her?
morgan's voice is always so smooth and calming. she was literally born to do podcasts for a living.
It's so funny when she reads the most messed up sentences you have ever heard in her therapist voice
This^
I just found this channel and I love listening to things to fall asleep. I put this on last night and fell asleep immediately
Justin being described as a red flag is mind boggling to me. Justin is the definition of a green flag. He is literally so emotionally aware and sympathetic, he also gives a male perspective that is so needed. WE LOVE JUSTIN!!
I might be guy's only defender but I think the reddit comments were super off base with story 7. I don't think he did anything wrong. Maybe people are forgetting how intense schooling can be or maybe had easier majors and stuff but I've totally had moments where I've needed to be head down. And he communicated with her that he would be fairly unavailable during that time.. which... isn't that what we all say is the most important thing to do. Not only did he communicate he would be crazy busy for a while but when he tried to plan time with her, she was the one who came an hour later than she was supposed to for their date?? If it was so important for her, especially when bro carved out time, then wouldn't she made an effort to not be an hour late to the date. I hate the "if roles were reversed" argument but I'm not sure people would have been as harsh if this was girl writing about her boyfriend. With the added context of minority parents, I completely understand his POV. Unpopular opinion maybe but I don't think he was wrong and I feel bad for him that he's taking all this upon himself
Totally agree, I felt like I was taking crazy pills listening to their opinions. When you're a student, that's your priority. And he DID communicate how crazy his studying was going to be during that time period. Maybe the dude's studying habits over the course of the school year need to be adjusted so that he doesn't make himself sick, but he still didn't do anything wrong. That's a learning experience for his physical and mental limits for studying, not a testament to him being a "bad partner".
@@GosterMonster526 That's what I'm saying!!! It's crazy. Also just found some info that makes this way worse. He literally gets beaten at home. He included information about getting hit in his comment.... I can't believe everyone was so careless in the comments with this poor kid. Not to be dramatic but we have all seen how reddit comments emboldened someone to leave a bad situation or to trust themselves again. I think people really need to be more careful when they're dunking on people looking for advice
@@GosterMonster526 Omg Idk what happened to my other comment to you but YESSS THANK YOU. I felt literally in upside down world. Also in his update he literally mentions that his dad hits him..... The community really failed him. It's so frustrating
Okay I thought I was going crazy, because he got so sick, and whether that’s your fault or not, you’re sick! Of course he can’t see her, not to mention all the studying! Yes the gf had boundaries and OO should have communicated more but not even hearing him out? Or finding out from others what happened? I’m worried about both parties and how they handle relationships moving forward because it seems like it was bad timing on both their parts
@@sierranicole6138 you can also tell by his response he is a really good guy just by the way he took the criticism. Feel awful for the guy. Sometimes situations like that happen in life and things get messed up. Nobody’s really the bad guy which makes it even more painful. Just awful luck and a bad series of events. Wish him the best
My sister and I are Irish twins, were the same age for 2 weeks (which is currently rightnow coincidencely) and we were kind of raised as twins. Matching clothes, matching Christmas presents(always having to race to open it first to be the one suprised lol), I was purple everything and she was pink. My parents always said I was the hardest kid to manage. My bottles, suckys, ect. were taken away the same time as my older sister, no wonder I was so grumpy trying to keep up and learn with my almost one year older sibling. We were kind of close when we were young, but around 12-13 is when it wasn't cool to hangout with her little sister anymore and she made sure our friend groups heard about it. I wish we were more close to this day but she moved across the ocean and we are completely opposite people. Not only will one kid feel behind, but they won't be able to trust their parents once they find out they have been lying to them their entire life. Terrible idea.
S2- I’m a twin, although I’m a female with a male twin brother. Especially as kids, being twins was a huge part of our identity. Everyone would comment on it and talk about it, we were always referred as “the twins”. Even if now it’s not such a big part of my identity, I would be devastated if I found out that my whole childhood was a lie.
Story 6- heres my thing, if she is wanting to feed her dogs this way, there is ways to do it . They have to have a specific amount of nutrients and also cant have things like Garlic or onions which is in alot of food… why doesn’t she just meal prep for the dogs WITH her husband? She is WILD . Lol
Story 2: as a twin and a uni graduate in psychology,,, that parent is in a delusional land , like what???
This could do SO much more harm than she could EVER imagine. Like this isnt The Sims or Barbie dolls, these are real people with real feelings and lying to them since birth won't do any good to any relationship. So disturbing
My mom gave birth to two children. Me and my sibling. Between the two pregnancies she gained 60 pounds, has permanent nerve damage in her leg, and not to mention her and I got very sick during labor, they had to rush her in for an emergency c. The person giving birth always has the final say, its their body, they have to deal with the lasting effects. 1st story turned my stomach how dare they.
Need a compilation of Morgan misquoting idioms
I read that as "Mosquito -ing"
Same she’s so funny for thate
My hot take as an identical triplet:
As an identical triplet (all girls), I felt objectified. Throughout my life, I've been fetishized or objectified by strangers, family friends, and even family. Instead of taking pride as a mother, my mom took pride in being "the triplet mom" and admitted to failing as a parent during our childhood. She was always praised, even though she was a neglectful, and at times abusive, parent. She treated us as a spectacle, seeking attention while we worked hard to prove our individuality to others. She’s received help since we’ve been adults and we have a much healthier relationship with her now.
Children will form close relationships naturally; it can't be forced. Parents should encourage healthy relationships among their children, twins or not. It’s my personal opinion that multiples bond through shared experiences of being treated like curiosities or freaks, which can feel like trauma bonding.
If this mother truly cared about her children, she wouldn't lie or force a relationship for her own pride. It seems she want’s twins as a badge of honor, which comes off as narcissistic.
PS: Twins often face isolation because people can't tell them apart or are freaked out and distrustful. Once my sisters moved away, I made many friends who didn't know I had two identical siblings. It was interesting when they found out and met them though- they had no problems knowing who I was because I had been introduced to them as an individual. They never had the notion that I was 1 of 3 so they were able to tell me apart.
Story 2: I think there's a term called Irish Twins for such a gap between consecutively born siblings.
As for the wife, she is setting up a resentment that her kids will hate her for. She can dress them alike which is almost harmless.
But pretending like they are twins to such an extent that they won't be informed until they find out legally at some point in the future? A selfish take on the mother's part.
Some twins say they want to be set apart as individuals and have experienced people treating them like a unit. The wife putting this unnecessary burden on the kids, on the family is selfish.
story 5: maybe i just have more relaxed boundaries, but i think it's completely normal to text friends in the middle of the night. i also don't think couples necessarily have to share friends either. in my last relationship, we both had our own friends and would text them and even facetime them late all the time. we also didn't have the most normal sleep schedules, but either way, i don't think time of day is an indicator of intention. if my partner told me i shouldn't be texting friends after a certain hour, i would think they're being controlling.
yeah listening to them say “omg it’s 11:30 why are you texting” all i could think was you guys must be pretty boring. i really feel like the wife amped herself up before actually figuring out if there was anything to feel weird *about.* like if it turns out she’s also into his favorite obscure video game i don’t think that’s weird, but she assumed she knew what they were talking about and forgot to *actually check what they were talking about.*
Can you imagine a judge in court asking confirmation if they'd fed their partner poo? How would that go down.
I would have my phone recording and have him confirm how funny the pranks were that he played.
But would he call the judge bro then? Like "but it was just a prank bro" instead of your honour and be in contempt? I can imagine him trying to justify it and the judge saying "did you or didn't you yes or no" getting more angry and then make him list every single thing he did to her and the baby. And he'd see all the shocked faces of everyone being horrified by his actions. It would be very interesting to see this guy get justice.
Story 7: Is everyone forgetting that Kya has a history with OP’s girlfriend? That Celine’s ex cheated on her with Kya? Sure, maybe Kya didn’t know what was happening at the time, but it is clear that there is still animosity towards one another, as they never seemed to talk it out. So no, Celine does not owe it to OP to “hear him out” like so many in these comments are suggesting. If Kya truly understood this boundary of OP’s relationship, she should have never suggested him staying in her bed. 1:41:39
Story 3:
That guy hates his partner and expressing it in selfish, childish, and abusive ways.
Pranks are supposed to be genuinely funny for both parties; if it's not, then it is called bullying.
The fact he KNOWS his wife does NOT like pranks yet still continues? He hates her and/or hates the life he has with her but doesn't have the balls to leave the relationship decently.
Dude is a legit psychopath
Story 6: I feel they won’t just door dash or get something quick. Sounds like they eat clean and make food from scratch knowing how unhealthy other stuff can be. So I would be upset if I put all that effort for a dog to eat better than me
Sorry 7: I see what they’re saying about how OP has misstepped but anyone else feel weird about how long it’s taking girlfriend to respond or show up for their planned date? Like OP was reaching out but Selene was flaking
Yea that was weird …
I agree. If I’m throwing up in public and then in my bed after being a zombie because of studying for 3 weeks straight I would crash anywhere possible. He started on the couch but his roommate did him a favor fby cleaning him up and offering a bed. The girlfriend validly already had trust issues around the roommate but tried to convince herself that she was fine with them living together.
Yesssss, I feel super weird about the girlfriend too!
Everyone was talking shit about OP, and to be fair he was wrong, but he was also very stressed and clearly doesn't know how to deal with it and his studying. But the girlfriend was off too, she could have stayed with him, also the only time they managed to be together she was an hour late and then she was mad at OP because he fell asleep, like wtf?? Also, I don't think she handled the situation of seeing him in best friend's bed correctly. I think the best friend was just trying to help and the girlfriend just walks in THINKS she sees something and then blocks him in everything, c'mon girlie? Somebody needs to learn better communication skills.
That said I totally disagree with their take, I'm glad I'm not the one because I was thinking I was crazy!
i feel weird abt the gf and the roommate because why would you put him in your bed knowing his gf is someone you had an affair on with her ex bf n she’s very insecure abt you…. if i was in her position even if the guy was my bsf i wouldn’t put him in my bed kuz i would know that it’s just gonna create an issue
@@bee-oz4tp I think she just wanted him to sleep well because he was in such bad shape, I genuinely think she just wanted him to be confortable, which is why she slept on the couch instead. She probably thought about the girlfriend, but maybe she didn't she was going to show up and see him like that or maybe she thought she would understand, idk but I don't she did it on purpose
The play date couple…simple fix- the husband needs to not open any messages from the other lady after 9pm at night. Set a boundary!
Sat down with my food and this dropped
Same 🥳 love it when that happens!
Oh god...I hope you finished eating before story 3
@@hayamirin6795im about to have my dinner thanks for the warning😭
@@martispartis05 No problem 💀
@@hayamirin6795 i’m so glad I’ve heard it before on Smosh Pit podcast
Story 6- I don’t think the dogs should be eating kielbasa and cabbage…
Worse than a red flag = just a straight up stop sign
Spot on 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Police tape!
Story 6: okay, I have some thoughts on this one too as someone who has fed raw and even formulated my dogs meals myself.
Nowadays, I feed Arcana with raw toppers as my schedule is crazy and premade raw is super spendy. But even when I made all their meals, I would never feed our pets food meant for us.
I would buy bulk to save on costs and freeze it. I would get what I needed for say 1 month. It was kept fully separate from our meals. And if I couldn’t afford it then I would give them kibble before I would take food from my family. Wild.
Also, THAT much human food isn’t okay. Meals have to be nutritionally balanced. Up to 25% can be supplemented - so you can do say a bowl of kibble and 25% can be swapped out for meat. But if they’re actually eating all his lunches then they’re not getting a balanced diet.
I need merch with all the sayings that Morgan botches 😂😂
I get the rain battered window analogy but rain doesn’t have opposable thumbs that can reach out and open the window. Or smash it to pieces with a hammer. Never under estimate what a highly motivated person can achieve.
Oooo I love this thoughtful rebuttal! The opposable thumbs part has me loling
@@TwoHotTakesAw thanks! ❤Not sure how I missed this but was rewatching the episode and saw my comment had a response from you. lol nice little surprise 2 months later
With story 5- i have a lot of guy friends, and I'm so careful about being respectful to their partners because i would feel terrible about making another woman even possibly feel insecure. It's really different when there are kids too, because you are living on a set schedule, and that's usually the time you would set time aside for your own partner. I'm convinced that woman has intentions towards him, and it's fine to see that happening and not be okay with it.
i have a sort of unpopular opinion i guess because i think the problem isn’t necessarily her texting because maybe there are other intentions but it honestly could be completely innocent and some people have different opinions about what is respectful and if the husband is responding to the messages late at night and doesn’t find it disrespectful while his wife does the issue that incompatibility between the couple if he’s not responding to the texts then it’s alright
i do have a lot more thoughts though i’m really on the fence about that one tbh
@@oliviaa2371I'm also on the fence. I'd need to see how it plays out. In one of my friend groups, I'm closer to the guys because we all were in a 2 year long weekly DnD campaign together and I tend to grow closer to people I spend more time with. But I also like their wives and make it a point to catch up with them whenever I see them at board game night and try to make plans with them too.
My advice to OP would be for her to reach out to the wife and see if she's receptive to becoming friends with her too. If she completely rejects OP, then I'd be suspicious.
I disagree. If daycare Mom had bad intentions, why set up a group hang/play date with both spouses. It sounds like hubby and daycare Mom have made a genuine friendship through their chit chatting at pick ups etc, and OP just sees the other family as a convenient play date, and has no interest in building a friendship.
And if it turned out that Daycare Mom did have nefarious intentions, OP said that she trusts her husband. It takes two to tango.
@@tessdanae9598 this is usually how affair start. It is completely inappropriate to be messaging someone else’s partner at a time A) they might be intimate with their partner, B) hanging out with their partner since they do have kids probably the only alone time they can get, and C) when they should/could be sleeping. Of course they want to see buddy Buddy with the wife so she doesn’t suspect anything, you learn their living habits/schedule so you can work around it, and of course, you want to see the way she interacts with her kids so she can start acting the same way with OPs child. Yes, it could be delusional to think this, but this is literally how almost every single affair starts.
I'm a big advocate for water birth! I had the most magical waterbirth with my 10lb8oz baby last October! Water really does help massively with the pain! That's being said, birth (especially birth without pain relief) takes a lot of mindset prep to have a positive experience. However you give birth is very personal to you and no one should tell you how you should do it. Obviously, in some cases, emergencies happen and you have no control over how you deliver but in most cases, you should have control over what happens to you during this process. You should have no say over someone else's birth, even if they are carrying your child.
The biggest red flag in the whole of the first story, the surrogate they had dropping out at the last minute. They probably show their colours when the had initial meetings leading up to insemination/embryo implantation and the first surrogate was like 'buh-bye nutzos, you can have a child but I ain't helping'.
Yeah I feel like sometimes people who need surrogates get so desperate that they’ll say or do anything to get someone to agree to be their surrogate and once it’s too late to back out they act like a baby trapper. I’m sure most surrogate situations work out well and the parents are kind to their surrogate. Of course you don’t hear about those.
21:36 SIBLINGS CAN BE CLOSE AND NOT TWINS
My sister and I are a year and 9 months apart, one year in school, and we’re very close
Story number 3 would have me calling the cops for assault bc WHAT THE WHAT????? 100% divorce
The fact she's even considering staying is scary.
Not me yelling amalgamating at my phone 😂
…how does this woman think she can put a kid in a different grade? It’s done based on medical records. The doctor is not going to lie for you.
the second story, as a daycare teacher there is most definitely a difference between a 1 & 2 yr old, 2&3, 4&5,5&6, etc. this will never work unless she makes one think hes a genius or the other that hes behind on every single milestone.
Don't take it to heart Morgan, trolls like to troll and will stir up shit where there isn't any. Everybody who's been here from the beginning knows what a green flag Justin is ❤️ been here since 2021, thanks for getting me through the rough patches, much love from Canada 🇨🇦
For story 2. She has IRISH twins, born 1 year or less apart. My 2 kiddos were almost Irish twins but they are 1 years and 4 days apart. They are just as close to eachother as twins would be, and now that they are older they get mistaken as twins, but I let people know they arent. But that momma needs some help, raising them as twins would just confuse them, they need to grow and be their own person at their pace
hearing story 3 after the smosh redditors did the same story last week, & talked about you and shayne's episode together on the same vid.... the crossovers just keep crossing over lol
Some of these aren't red flags they're whole ass stop signs
People that are quick to argue and slow to apologize are the biggest red flags
As someone who’s a twin herself, growing up we BOTH felt pinned against one another by family, friends, teachers, just everybody because more often than not people have a massive inability to distinguish twins as separate people. There is a pressure from others to “get along, ur twins!” But that very phrase would send us spiraling even more because the expectations versus reality are vastly different. People have a tendacy to think twins are one and the same and anyone who is a twin or has raised twins will tell you immediately that they are night and day. People who often meet me and just me without my twin, are shocked when I mention having a twin and 100% of the time they immediately imagine another person walking around exactly like me and I always say “we are like night and day” because all my life I have never been seen as my own person by other people. I have always been either compared to my twin or grouped in with my twin and she would say the exact same thing, people either love to pin us against each other or see us as the same exact person and it’s just not true. Also, that mother is absolutely insane ima just say that outright
The twin lady doesn’t see her kids as people and as property.
The story of how Justin helped you set up the channel brought tears to my eyes ❤❤❤ so sweet 😭😭😭
im a twin! im definitely closer with my twin than our other sibling. but i feel like its mostly because its a larger age difference. the fact that you’re twins doesn’t add pressure to a relationship, we have always been close and our parents didn’t push it. but def was pressure to always be compared growing up 🤷🏻♀️ OP’s wife is crazy. I don’t think there’s anything to back her thoughts here
same! i have sisters 12, 10, and 2 years older. my twin sister and i are fraternal and have always been close naturally from sharing a bedroom for so long and we bonded together way more than with our other sisters. however, we were still always compared more than with our other sisters, she has been diagnosed with learning disabilities and autism and I have a lot of symptoms of ADHD, but was never tested because I didn’t act the same as her or struggle with school. I know our parents always compared us and made her feel bad for not understanding things the way I do. it was a lot more understanding for them that we are different from our sister that is two years older and the even older ones because of our age difference. it is better to be honest and not force a close relationship with the siblings because either way they would still have that sibling bond.
Identical here! Now that my folks are gone, I will never speak to my sister again.
"It's my dream to have twins" lady can just get bent. Yes let's make their entire identity about being twins and treat them like they are the same.
Gross.
Story 5: while I agree that the woman is being inappropriate, I do think OP’s issue should be with her partner. Ultimately, it’s on him to have boundaries and he’s the one committed to her.
I can’t imagine behaving that way tho! I’m a single parent so many of the parents I coordinate play dates with are married. In some cases, the dad is taking the lead since they’re home more or it’s a blended family and they’re his bio kids. That means we talk more but I make sure to have conversations with both of them if they’re both there. And I would NEVER text late at night. Honestly all texts are solely about the kids. It’s common courtesy.
The funeral story has my blood boiling. My boyfriend of 7 years just lost his cousin 2 weeks ago and we spent all weekend at his funeral services. He kept telling me I didn't need to go to every event, but I insisted. I told him it was my choice because I loved him and I would never let him be alone during these times. After the funeral, he told me he couldn’t believe he hasn't married me yet because of how much I supported him.
This, is how a partner should treat their other during an important death, not disrespectful bullshit like that. I sat and starved through a 7 hour wake, and I'd gladly do it again (though ideally not because it was so tragic and heartbreaking) because I love him so much and couldn’t let him hurt alone.
Story 6: I think she throws out the food. Definitely manipulative/ psychologically abusive.
Worse than a red flag.... Those horns that go off to warn you about a tsunami, or earthquake
i’m a twin, and it is/was not a great experience for me. we’re 23 now so it’s more just a sister relationship, but when we were little it was really hard to be myself. having two people with very different personalities be the same age, dressed similar, looked (kind of) similar, etc. you (at least i did) grow up thinking something is wrong with you if you aren’t similar to your sister (and it still feels this way sometimes). i’ve seen twins that get along so well and are meant to be twins, and maybe it’s because i was a fraternal twin, but if your kids are born separately and aren’t twins, you should not force them to act like twins just because it’s “what you want”. it will likely cause more issues in them in the long run
For the surrogate story, even if it’s family or friends (especially honestly) these things should have been talked about before and put on paper in a contract!! You don’t wait until the pregnancy happens to set boundaries, expectations, etc. it honestly just sounds like poor planning all around. Everyone including OP should have done their due diligence. It was so nice of the OP to offer and the parents need to realize she didn’t have to in the first place and doesn’t have to do everything they ask… but I can’t help but feel like some of this could have been avoided with a little forethought from both parties.
Edit to add: Totally agree! Now that they’re here in the situation and the baby is coming soon, everything needs to yield to the physical & mental well-being of the person carrying the baby! Stress during the birth process can actually cause problems like stalling (your body will not go through the birth process if you don’t feel safe and relaxed). So agreed, her husband needs to give them the boot and make her comfortable no matter what.
FYI a surrogate can be upwards of $50k… they should be kissing her feet because she’s doing this for FREE!
What I am worried about is if everything went badly and there had to be a choice of surrogate or baby. From what I understand she is not directly related to the couple (her husband's brother I think) so they might not care if she lives so long as they get their long awaited baby. I agree with the husband and setting a tough boundary that your wife will birth how she wants in a safe way and they will wait in the waiting room. I would also take it a step further and let the hospital staff know that you are to be kept separated from the parents and the parents can meet the baby in another room from where you recover.
Story 2- My hot take as a twin, boy mom, and kindergarten teacher.
-My biggest question is why. Why does she even remotely think this is a good idea and that it will ever work.
-My twin and I had / have a GREAT relationship (almost 30 fraternal female twins). But I was actually always closer to my older sister. It is hard when growing up having everything as one. The same birthday, sharing clothes, friends, etc. You feel as though you don't have a separate identity, and everyone considers you as a unit, not two different people. Now it's totally different being adults, but growing up, that was hard.
- As a kindergarten teacher and boy mom- I feel as though you are setting one of your boys up for failure. An entire year is a major difference mentally, physically, and academically in children. Especially when younger. Morgan made a great point- many boys do benefit from starting Kindergarten later. So if Boy A is 'held' back and starts a year later with Boy B, he may excell. But what if Boy B isn't developmentally ready to be in Kindergarten yet. A lot of maturity happens in a year. Boys are always trying to 'compete' in life and this can destroy one of them, or both, by fueling that fire even more. Let your boys thrive as individuals.
- There is no way to realistically get away with this. You can't fake a birth certificate. And how does she plan to have all family/ friends go along with this delusional plan. Let them be brothers, as they truly are. Their relationship will be what it is no matter if they are twins or just brothers.