under no circumstances is it okay for a parent to commit any sort of sexual act on their child. that’s the most vile thing i’ve ever heard. it’s NOT consensual. it’s assault.
right and the audacity of that researcher to say it counts as a "non traumatic" instance, as if he wasn't sexually abused for at least 4 years. just bc he hasn't unpacked it doesn't mean it wasn't traumatic, especially bc of how it started.
the sad thing about the incest story is that the victim does not, to this day, realize that he was assaulted all throughout his teenage years by the people that should have protected him.
Exactly!! Especially when they mentioned the abuse ended around college, it’s so clear that the mom is a pedophile and used this as an excuse, she stopped abusing him when he became an adult!! (which is very typical of sexual abuse of children, perpetrated by pedophiles)
one day that man is going to wake up and realize the sexual relationship he had with his mom was NOT positive. that relationship will always include a level of pedophilia no matter what aged it started. i wish the best for that man and his mental health journey
Warning you right now..... never watch Oldboy with Elizabeth Olsen. Truly the only movie to date that SICKENED me. To this day I still feel disgusted I ever watched it.
@@TimeQuxxn watched the Korean version because my friend's bf wanted to watch it. Had no idea what it was about going in, her bf just put it on with no explanation other than that he'd heard the director was good. Traumatising. 😩
@catbeara E W WWWW. I went in for a similar reason - saw Elizabeth Olsen and thought "oh it must be good." Totally sick and actually puked at that twist.
Ohhh yeah, you're right, I forgot that he was a minor... To be clear to anyone who saw my other comment, my client is 100% an adult in full control of his mind and he reached out to me.
Story 3, reasons not to hire an escort is that he's a minor and it's illegal. Everything about this situation is all sorts of illegal. Healing time is 6-8 weeks. They should have just told him to suck it up
Yeah my god I didn’t even ma$tur8ate for the first time until I was 21 because I was raised Mormon. That was very much just an excuse to do something that’s been wanting to do already.
i do understand the frustration because medically it can be like not good to stop for a while, things can get backed up and like can cause pain but the mom should not have done that obvi
I'm so disappointed they didn't get through more of the two broken arms answers. The whole thing is insane from start to finish. They barely touched the AMA here
story 3 is literal CSA and my face hurts from all the muscles I can't relax D: Like i can't emphasise this enough: The mum was not "pleasuring" him, they didn't have a "sexual relationship"... he was abused for years.
I'm not kidding when I sat that I almost cried. Morgan's level headedness combined with Joe's incredible reactions... please do this collaboration again, and have Frankie come along too :D
Some vegans eat their own eggs from chickens or local farm chickens. But big box store eggs are really really cruel to chickens. So it’s mostly a protest to the big cruel farms
It doesn't matter if its a big farm or not. Its still cruel and exploiting so therefore not vegan. (Male chicks get killed either way... also chicken only lay eggs for about 2 years bc its too exhausting and then?)
@@babytooty04 the definition of a vegan is to not eat anything that causes harm to living beings but that being said it’s impossible to be vegan as everything ether has animal/bug dna in it. Even veggie farms cause harm to animals!
Story 3 is so sad and abusive. It’s important to be mindful of the language used around the story because there is many people who are abused by family members and it’s never the victims fault. The brainwashing is real in that story. 😩
Just to answer your question Morgan! I’m not vegan either, but the reason vegans don’t consume any animal products even the ones that naturally come from animals is due to unethical treatment of those animals to get the MOST product. I won’t go into detail but this includes overcrowding in cages, painful injections of hormones, etc.. The U.S. food infrastructure leads to all non-local and mass produced food products to mistreat the animals, which is why so many people try to get locally farmed eggs, milk, etc. instead! Hope this helps ❤️
@@davidharshman7645 idk I took a class focused on agriculture production and industry and what I saw scarred me but then I realized I was being far too restrictive on my diet and for my mental health just needed to stop weight myself morally sm on it. It sucks bc really every step of the food industry has exploitation in it to some degree. I come from migrant workers so im well aware it’s not just animal products. The ideal form of farming I’ve learned is through husbandry practices but that’s not what goes on the shelves at most places bc they have smaller yields of product and the practice is dying out due to a lack of teaching next generations it :,) We hate it here!
@@davidharshman7645 I just wish there was more of an industry focus and support on small farming and not taking advantage of small farmers bc we should be able to have all sorts of food and not have to worry about what happened for it to get on our plates!
@@chllin22If you want to support small farms because you like them better, that is 100% valid. I am just aware that there is a lot of propaganda out that with misinformation to make things seem worse than they are. And, I have enough experience with the dairy industry to know that most of the negative allegations about mistreatment of dairy cattle is completely false. Like...I have seen evidence that the chicken industry is bad, for sure. But, that doesn't inherently translate to "all animals are mistreated in all farms/industries."
@@davidharshman7645 definitely agree! That’s why I think everyone going vegan isn’t the answer to fixing the food industry problems. because it labels ALL farms ALL animal products as bad. We need systemic change. I still respect people’s choice to go vegan but it’s one of those things like it doesn’t solve the root of the problem! :(
As someone who regularly has panic attacks and feels anxious, it made me feel really good to hear you guys talk so openly about panic and intrusive thoughts.
That weird jolt feeling we get while we’re asleep happens when our heart rate drops suddenly. It’s kind of our body’s way of checking in and saying, “Hey, you’re not dead, right?” If Joey gets this while driving, it’s possible that he becomes so focused while driving that his heart rate drops suddenly, to the point where his brain feels the need to do that little check-in.
Story 3 is all sorts of wrong but the fact it continued after his arms healing. BRUH!!!! One day it going to hit him like a ton of bricks. If he has kids and they want sleepover at grandmas might be the day. Or when he tells a partner. Just one day and it’s going to be devastating
the fact he was so groomed he's still okay with it.. Also with both parents being so eager and willing causes me to not remotely trust his sister was untouched. at the least she knew.. But like those aren't human beings why wouldn't the dad do something?? He was jealous of his own wife and son and saw nothing wrong??? ffs 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@bxbydrxgxn Totally, he was groomed an saw nothing wrong with it, I hope that part of what the researcher did was get them all therapy but I think it was researching the 'positive side of incest' I doubt it. I also agree the sister knew something at least, even if not everything. I get the feeling that it might have been some cuck kink the dad had but wasn't okay with random guys but the son was considered an acceptable substitute, somehow - or maybe developed into that and that's why it continued even after the healing process (not that I think it was okay in the first place/during healing). This is the only reason I can think of for why the sister would have been untouched. (ETA: I hadn't watched far enough for them to mention this about other stories when I commented)
Story two: the bf goes to all that effort but can't take 5 minutes to research compostable toilets?! What he's done is insane & a health hazard. Also the fact that he went behind her back & just did it anyway after she said no to this is a pretty big red flag.
I was thinking exactly that. There’s dry toilets at a lot of parks here where it’s essentially a litter box made for humans. There’s going to be fecal matter and sand all over their BEDROOM. I would dump him (no pun intended)
Besides the fact that it's a health hazard, besides the fact that he disrespected her actual boundaries, could you imagine seeing your ASS NAKED man just squatting and grunting in the middle of your floor? A little sweat bead on his forehead? The SMELL hitting you in the face as you push open the door? I could NEVER look him in the eyes again. Idec.
basement yard listeners, who wants to bet frankie is gonna bring up the bread in ketchup thing again on the next keeping it frank cos morgan also said it was gross 😭
story 3: obviously so disgusting all around but the "my sister wasn't wired that way" got me as if she's the weird one for being the only one in the family not interested in incest????
Intrusive thoughts are no joke. I was holding scissors the other day when I thought about just stabbing myself in the throat with them. I also often think about just driving into oncoming semi trucks. I think they're characteristic of an anxious mind which is almost always scanning for the worst outcomes and possibilities.
THANK YOU FOR THIS COLLAB! i literally gasped out loud when i opened youtube and saw this. Joe and Frank need to have you on their show or you bring them both back because the three of you together would absolutely demolish the internet 😂😂😂😂
Please bring Joe on more often. This episode had me in TEARS! I was absolutely dead at some parts. Great episode again Morgan! Love listening to you! ❤
Also please don't pretty litter for your cats, I've had patients that ended up getting infection due to the litter. It's plastic and most cats press their genitals on the litter can imagine what that can do to their body. It works don't get me wrong but it also causes issues. All my patients that had issues while using this litter all got better after their owner discarded the litter. Save your pet from getting UTI's and your wallet. It's not worth the risk.
thank you for your hyper-specific comments 😂 I have been trying to steer my gf away from BOTH switching to pretty litter for our cats and adopting a doodle with our tiny apartment, lol
It's really disgusting that parents are even remotely okay giving their children sexual pleasure! I did see something years ago where this man jerked off his son because he was disabled and couldn't do it for himself. It's a weird scary world out here!
So weird like if he has expressed a desire to experience sexual pleasure/disappointment that he can't why not just get them a toy of you're that worried about it? Like I still think it's a little odd and they would probably need help situating it which ew but it's LEAGUES better
@@bannahannana9403or you just let him deal with it, because he's a child, and that's just real life? His parents are pedophiles and fxcked up. You have to remember, the NUMBER ONE group of people selling their children, s**trafficking their children, rxping/m"l"sting their children, are PARENTS. It's not family friends, it's not grandparents, it's parents usually.
This is the first time I’ve ever listened to Morgan’s podcast and I just want to say I think she’s so intelligent and I love listening to her talk. She’s open minded and can communicate so well. I subscribed immediately!
Morgan laugh crying about panic attacks over dying was so relatable! That happened to me for MONTHS and finally I was able to snap out of panicking over it when trying to go to sleep. It was bad, I started listening to paranormal stories on RUclips while falling asleep to have something else to think about. Also helps with knowing if I'm having sleep paralysis and getting out of it.
i never thought i’d see a collab between my two fav podcasts! the way i’ve been following joe since his youtube days and morgan since the first episode of two hot takes, this is by far one of my fav eps so far
I still get so embarrassed and scared to buy pregnancy tests and I'm 30! And actively trying to get pregnant. And now I'm pregnant and I feel weird going in for tests and stuff lol. The shame is real
The only two patreons I've ever been apart of coming together. Love to see it. I also find it endearing when Joe goes on a tangent about something he's passionate about i.e. maintaining his privacy while being a public figure
I’m stunned by the first story, this reminds me of that Reddit story of the time one coworker told their vegan coworker that gummy bears were made from gelatin. Because they saw her eating gummy bears and was confused because most people know that gummy foods are made from animal 🦴 🤦♀️ when they told her she googled it and was pissed that the OP ruined gummies for her!
Haha that happened to me years ago but with Doritos and my vegan friend was like ummm you know there is pork in that! I was not mad at all, happy that someone told me if anything. Getting mad seems silly to me!
@@emilydecanter164 it’s definitely not bc I was vegan 2 years at this point and did my research but never knew many chip brands contain pork! I would never thought pork was in chips… it’s good to educate people regardless! 💕💕
With most guests the first time I hear about them is in this podcast, it’s such a nice feeling seeing someone that I’ve followed for more than 6 yrs. It’s like two world colliding
I absolutely love how Morgan sometimes is so grossed out by people's actions but at the same time she conjures up great original theories about their process 🤣🤣🤣 "In a banana peel to get the proper shape, WTF???"
really weird that you both suggested that the boy’s parents in the third story should have hired him a sex worker to help him masturbate, and didn’t even question how weird that is too. that is still sexual abuse of a minor.
I have never felt so seen when Morgan talked about dying a lot. I do too! Also giving myself panic attacks and thinking worse case scenarios. I mention it to people and they act like it’s absurd to have these thoughts. Some take it like it’s suicidal thought.. and I’m like no I’m scared of it happening and that’s the last thing I want. a counselor even made me feel weird for having those thoughts. How is it absurd it’s going to happen at some point to everyone. Idk thank you for being real about that❤😂😅
I'm so sorry your counciller made you feel that way. It's more common than people realise, and even if it wasn't, it's not cool to diminish someone who's opening up to you. You're not alone, I've had intrusive thoughts about dying and getting injured for as long as I can remember. Hugs ❤
51:25 OH MAN this is such a relatable episode, Joe I know exactly what you mean with the hypnotized thing. If I'm driving on a highway I often start derealizing and I feel like I'm not the one controlling my body, everything starts feeling kind of unreal, like I'm viewing the world through a camera, and I get really anxious that I'll loose ability to steer or something. The way I try to snap back is blinking or tapping my arms or try to do something to remind me that I do in fact have control over my body. But recently I got so anxious I almost pulled over.
I get road hypnotized also if I'm on a long road trip & I'm getting bored or the slightest bit tired! It's pretty dangerous, actually... I will shake my head a little, back and forth to physically shake myself out of it. It works for me.
I dont get the anxiety of losing control of myself or the outta body feeling... I start to get blurry vision & the feeling someone gets when they are just about to fall asleep, it's a little euphoric & floaty like!
Funny story for morgan- i live in a small town. I was having some issues with fertility (not too bad but longer than i expected). I went to go pick up another pregnancy test at the local store. They keep them behind the counter locked up so you have to ask for one in front of everyone. I asked for the pregnancy test a wanted and the old lady working there said super loud as she was getting it unlocked "You already need another test?!!" Apparently she had checked me out previously and remembered me. "How many times do you have to test?" She asks loudly. I wanted to die. And cry. A girl behind me came up and said "THATS NONE OF YPUR BUSINESS MAM!" I had never met the girl but i thanked her several times for having my back when i wanted to burst into tears. I can laugh about it now as i am 6 months pregnant lol. Mind you it had been atleast a month or two between tests. Im also engaged and in a commited relationship and im 26 lol i still was embarrassed
Girl I never, ever buy my pregnancy tests because of that now, I order on Amazon or my husband does it. Im 23, we have 3 kids(4 year old & a set of 1 yr old twins), we own our home, we are a COMPLETELY normal happy family, but the times I have gone to check out with a cashier, I get side eyed because I'm young, they assume I don't have kids lol(I don't buy pregnancy tests if they are with me, and I am a chronic tester, because I get scared I'll find out a little late, I want to be on prenatal asap, we aren't trying for another at all, but I'm not on BC😂)
Okay, but the sauna fear is so real! My husband and I got locked in an at home sauna when he accidentally broke the door knob off from the inside. The control panel to turn it on and off was outside. Thankfully he was able to get us out, but I was convinced we were done.😬
This collab made my entire week 😭 the chemistry is *chefs kiss* could we have frankie on for another episode or maybe Morgan could go on the basement yard?
To answer your question about eggs, for me (a 5 year vegan for animal ethics reasons) the process of collecting eggs seems harmless. But in reality, these hens are kept in wire cages their entire life and in the most cruel conditions. They were genetically modified to over-produce eggs, which really is not good for them, and causes them to live a shortened life. Hope this can shed some light as to why many vegans don’t eat eggs 😁
Yeah, even cage free eggs doesn't mean they get to roam free or have a good life. I adopted four chicks, and I hope they enjoyed their lives, they were free roaming, and all lived to nearly eight years old. Goofy as heck, the lot of them, and one hen would constantly try and check me and show me who was boss. 😂
Just a hypothetical because I'm curious. Would you eat eggs from someones backyard hens if they where treated well? If not I am not judging I am just wondering. I am not vegan but I am appalled at factory farming and am trying to move towards not having to buy any food I don't consider ethica,l but it is very difficult as even commercially farmed vegetables kill an incredible amount of animals in order to grow them, and well soy is one of the worst. So it feels like a loosing battle all around.
@@RealBradMiller deer love soy and wont leave it alone commercial soy farms hire people to keep watch and shoot the deer then they just dispose of them. if you look into it they kill a tremendous amount of deer for a soy crop. I forget how many on average but i remember it is a lot. That's on top of all the moles voles mice and birds that get tilled up and ground up alive by the combine when they prep the fields. If you watch a combine in the field you can see scavengers running behind it to get all the free grub. sometimes you can actually hear animals scream as it hits them if you are close enough.
@redbunny22 Personally, as a vegan I wouldn't eat eggs from a backyard hen but if you wanted to it is better than supporting factory farms. However small farms wouldn't be able to meet the demand if everyone switched to small farms. The reason factory farms exist is for amount and efficiency because people eat so many animal products. Also most of the world's soy is fed to farm animals like cattle so eating soy is better for the environment and saves more animals than eating animals, if that makes sense.
i got this a lot in college, it was terrifying!! it’s been over 5 years since then, and i’m just now getting comfortable driving for longer than 30 minutes again
*The fact that two adults dont know what tunnel vision means while driving, goes to show that we Really need to revamp the driving education in this country. It's Way too easy to get a license.*
I have a high pain tolerance, but a kidney stone had me crying on the floor, throwing up non-stop and thinking I was about to die. Stay hydrated, guys! 😘
same, never felt anything like that. I was 17 when i got mine thought it was my appendix because of how awful i felt i couldn’t even walk to the car LOL
I haven’t had a kidney stone but I did have gallstones. It was worse than giving birth! So I can only imagine is just as bad or worse since some people pass them where you can’t pass a gallstone. I just had to get my gallbladder removed.
@@intergalactic-losernot trying to be annoying, but isn’t that technically pescatarian? I thought pescatarians ate fish and white meat. I could 100% be wrong, but I’m honestly trying to figure it out!
In many Asian cultures, and maybe South America, they don't consider chicken or fish as meat. Maybe that's why she was confused. Just like the people who say pescatarians would eat chicken 🤭 Maybe it just makes more sense to me because I speak some latin languages. Fish would be: pescado, peixe, peşte etc, that's where the term comes from.
Incredible podcast!!! Don't get me wrong, super fucking disturbing on every level! But having Joe as a guest was everything! The chemistry was amazing, and they seemed like they had been friends forever (minus the fact that Morgan didn't seem to know almost anything about him... yet the way in which they were talking was like they were old friends!). Really great and entertaining collaboration! I hope that it happens again!
7:05 if you want to know why people don’t eat eggs- so the problem with eggs is that the egg industry is horrendous and the chickens used for eggs are trapped in cramped tiny cages or crammed in super over crowded rooms (usually their beaks and toes get cut off so they can’t peck or scratch each other) with terrible food and a horrible life. They get slaughtered as soon as their egg production slows down (usually when they are 2 or 3 years old, which is still very young for a chicken) and the male babies are killed immediately since they can’t produce eggs. Also domestic chickens have been bred to WAY over produce eggs and it is terribly unhealthy for them (like having a period every day of your life).
i’ve watched Joe since i was 11 i’m now 24. this is the best thing ever. i love watching Joe interact with Morgan it’s SO funny. i would’ve loved to have seen Frankie too! ALSO im just as mad about the HBO shit too hahah.
my jaw dropped when I saw this upload. Joe was one of my OG crushes back in the day lmfao. I made everyone i know watch his videos. def an unexpected collab
My favorite "intrusive" / paranoia thought is everytime I leave the room where my husband & kids are all I can think of is that I'm in the first 5 minutes of a dateline episodes. I constantly think im going to get murdered, basically. What fun!
Loving this combo 👏 very rarely am I ever disappointed when the side convos end and you guys go back to the stories! But you guys vibed so well every minute was so funny/ relatable
Morgan please don’t take it the wrong way but watching you try to relate by telling your own stories but always one uping them is meeee lmao it’s like watching myself and now I know why my friends get annoyed 😂 ADHD thangs
Can we get time stamps for updates? At least if the chatting goes really long. Love you! Just got very off topic during incest story and I wanted to know if there was an ending!
I had something kinda similar happen to me with my ex who was vegetarian. He was trying to gain muscle and go to the gym and all of that. One time we were ordering food and picking sides for a dish we were ordering. We had already picked a lentil based side and he suggested we also get a chickpeas side. My response was idk if I want another carb heavy side. His response “chickpeas are not carbs they are protein” to which I said “its both, a lot more carbs than protein actually”. Man got so angry at me when he googled this because he had been eating lots of chickpeas to try to gain muscle. I’m so shocked other people have dealt with this madness also…
under no circumstances is it okay for a parent to commit any sort of sexual act on their child. that’s the most vile thing i’ve ever heard. it’s NOT consensual. it’s assault.
right and the audacity of that researcher to say it counts as a "non traumatic" instance, as if he wasn't sexually abused for at least 4 years. just bc he hasn't unpacked it doesn't mean it wasn't traumatic, especially bc of how it started.
The researcher was probably looking for incest relationships where both parties see nothing wrong with the situation
His reaction is me, the whole time I was SCREAMING while eating breakfast
Honestly disgusted this was even entertained on the podcast. I had to skip
@@cristinagonzalez6439lol. That’s Reddit stories for ya. The lowest form of entertainment. But I love it.
the sad thing about the incest story is that the victim does not, to this day, realize that he was assaulted all throughout his teenage years by the people that should have protected him.
Exactly!! Especially when they mentioned the abuse ended around college, it’s so clear that the mom is a pedophile and used this as an excuse, she stopped abusing him when he became an adult!! (which is very typical of sexual abuse of children, perpetrated by pedophiles)
one day that man is going to wake up and realize the sexual relationship he had with his mom was NOT positive. that relationship will always include a level of pedophilia no matter what aged it started.
i wish the best for that man and his mental health journey
Warning you right now..... never watch Oldboy with Elizabeth Olsen. Truly the only movie to date that SICKENED me.
To this day I still feel disgusted I ever watched it.
@@TimeQuxxn watched the Korean version because my friend's bf wanted to watch it. Had no idea what it was about going in, her bf just put it on with no explanation other than that he'd heard the director was good. Traumatising. 😩
@catbeara E W WWWW. I went in for a similar reason - saw Elizabeth Olsen and thought "oh it must be good." Totally sick and actually puked at that twist.
@@TimeQuxxn so gross, idk how or why someone would come up with such a concept 😪
@@catbearamale writers and directors are questionable with their incest
I resonate with Joe's screams of horror and physical repulsion during all these stories 😭😭
yeah. His reactions made these topics so much easier to bare. 😂 He is now my new fav guest and seemed to have a fun chemistry with Morgan.
I love it when he goes “NO-uh” 😆
Story 3 - as a sex worker myself, I don’t know any sex worker that would willingly be hired for a minor because that is extremely illegal
girl that was what i was thinking. im a sex worker too and theres no amount of money or circumstance that would make me fuck a child wtf
That was my first thought like did everyone forget we’re talking about a kid?
Ohhh yeah, you're right, I forgot that he was a minor... To be clear to anyone who saw my other comment, my client is 100% an adult in full control of his mind and he reached out to me.
Seriously, why did they think it needed to be from a person. Just toss the kid something to hump and call it a day.
Idk you could probably lie about it
an episode with the boy himself???? omg THANK YOU 😭😭🫶🏾
I saw his face in the thumbnail and I just KNOW this is gonna be good
@@envymordecai4429you get it!!!
I was so excited!!
i HOPPED on this ep so quickly
I love Joe Santagato
Story 3, reasons not to hire an escort is that he's a minor and it's illegal. Everything about this situation is all sorts of illegal. Healing time is 6-8 weeks. They should have just told him to suck it up
Fr like people are virgins and they survive…
Yeah my god I didn’t even ma$tur8ate for the first time until I was 21 because I was raised Mormon. That was very much just an excuse to do something that’s been wanting to do already.
@@aduckofsomesort That is quite literally the worst option
i do understand the frustration because medically it can be like not good to stop for a while, things can get backed up and like can cause pain but the mom should not have done that obvi
@@aduckofsomesortsomeone clearly didn't read the comment past the 1st sentence 🤦🏻♀️
The litter box story is a kink. It’s not him being more efficient it’s just him hiding a kink
Holy shit I think you’re onto something there
literally as soon as she started reading, I was like THAT IS A FETISH/KINK
As soon as she read out the title this was my immediate thought.
He literally could have gotten a composting toilet! You can even make one yourself Lol 🤣
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I'm so disappointed they didn't get through more of the two broken arms answers. The whole thing is insane from start to finish. They barely touched the AMA here
right most of the story is in the comments/replies
all the comments are deleted now… is there any way to read them?
Morgan’s “i think about dying a lot” is giving Barbie lol
story 3 is literal CSA and my face hurts from all the muscles I can't relax D:
Like i can't emphasise this enough: The mum was not "pleasuring" him, they didn't have a "sexual relationship"... he was abused for years.
100% love when the guests freak out and Morgan can’t help but crack up while they squirm hehehe 😅
Okay this is why the stories have been so bad lately 😂
Bs 31:13 years of age
This is the teamup of the century. The only thing that'd be better is if y'all had Frankie too!
EDIT: Frankie would eat that sandwich
I'm not kidding when I sat that I almost cried. Morgan's level headedness combined with Joe's incredible reactions... please do this collaboration again, and have Frankie come along too :D
AGREED, I need Frankie solo at least if not both
Lol Frankie, Danny and Keith
Danny is underrated I need more content w them all
Having Frankie on alone would be pure chaos and I want nothing more 🤌🏻🤌🏻
Morgan just saying 'I think about dying a lot' has me in stitches, it's so painfully relatable
My favourite guest so far. Absolutely loved this episode and the vibe between the two of you, please bring him back.
his podcast is hilarious!
Joe & Frankie are one of my fav Podcast - just 2 besties chatting & laughing nonstop
You said “broke both arms” and I IMMEDIATELY yelled “NO” because I’ve read it before 😅 absolutely horrifying
I feel like it's the most well known reddit story out there.
I have not read the original. This is my first time hearing this one. I instantly yelled NO. Like the way Steve Carell does.
Oh no!!! I read the comments before watching and idk if I’m mentally prepared to hear this story 🤮
Some vegans eat their own eggs from chickens or local farm chickens. But big box store eggs are really really cruel to chickens. So it’s mostly a protest to the big cruel farms
Then those people are ovo-vegetarians, not vegan. Vegans do not consume or use any products derived from animals (not even honey).
Then they are not a vegan
It doesn't matter if its a big farm or not. Its still cruel and exploiting so therefore not vegan.
(Male chicks get killed either way... also chicken only lay eggs for about 2 years bc its too exhausting and then?)
@@babytooty04 the definition of a vegan is to not eat anything that causes harm to living beings but that being said it’s impossible to be vegan as everything ether has animal/bug dna in it. Even veggie farms cause harm to animals!
That would be a vegetarian😊
The litter box is INSANE😂😂 that relationship would be over quicker than it started! That is crazzzzzyyyyyyy
IKR WHAT ARE PEOPLE DOING OUT THEREEE
The fact that the girl is asking if she should try it with him is psychotic 😅
@@TheWilleyCoyote RIGHT!??!? absolutely blown away
That was definitely a kink/fetish on his part.
I would be scared for the cat in case his litterbox fetish extends to the poor thing..
Story 3 is so sad and abusive. It’s important to be mindful of the language used around the story because there is many people who are abused by family members and it’s never the victims fault. The brainwashing is real in that story. 😩
He was definitely groomed and abused by his mom and his dad just stood by.
This is the most chemistry I've seen Joe have with a host at their podcast. I loved it!!
Nooo him and Frankie are top tier
@zaratattoos7373 I meant at another podcast not at their own. Ofc him and Frankie are the best!
Joe is so freaking likeable. Love that he was on the show.
Just to answer your question Morgan! I’m not vegan either, but the reason vegans don’t consume any animal products even the ones that naturally come from animals is due to unethical treatment of those animals to get the MOST product. I won’t go into detail but this includes overcrowding in cages, painful injections of hormones, etc.. The U.S. food infrastructure leads to all non-local and mass produced food products to mistreat the animals, which is why so many people try to get locally farmed eggs, milk, etc. instead! Hope this helps ❤️
I will say, at least where the dairy industry is concerned, there is a lot of misinformation about alleged mistreatment of dairy cattle.
@@davidharshman7645 idk I took a class focused on agriculture production and industry and what I saw scarred me but then I realized I was being far too restrictive on my diet and for my mental health just needed to stop weight myself morally sm on it. It sucks bc really every step of the food industry has exploitation in it to some degree. I come from migrant workers so im well aware it’s not just animal products. The ideal form of farming I’ve learned is through husbandry practices but that’s not what goes on the shelves at most places bc they have smaller yields of product and the practice is dying out due to a lack of teaching next generations it :,) We hate it here!
@@davidharshman7645 I just wish there was more of an industry focus and support on small farming and not taking advantage of small farmers bc we should be able to have all sorts of food and not have to worry about what happened for it to get on our plates!
@@chllin22If you want to support small farms because you like them better, that is 100% valid.
I am just aware that there is a lot of propaganda out that with misinformation to make things seem worse than they are. And, I have enough experience with the dairy industry to know that most of the negative allegations about mistreatment of dairy cattle is completely false.
Like...I have seen evidence that the chicken industry is bad, for sure. But, that doesn't inherently translate to "all animals are mistreated in all farms/industries."
@@davidharshman7645 definitely agree! That’s why I think everyone going vegan isn’t the answer to fixing the food industry problems. because it labels ALL farms ALL animal products as bad. We need systemic change. I still respect people’s choice to go vegan but it’s one of those things like it doesn’t solve the root of the problem! :(
As someone who regularly has panic attacks and feels anxious, it made me feel really good to hear you guys talk so openly about panic and intrusive thoughts.
You should try reading at last a life or complete self help for your nerves, those helped me soooo much as I suffered the same as you.
That weird jolt feeling we get while we’re asleep happens when our heart rate drops suddenly. It’s kind of our body’s way of checking in and saying, “Hey, you’re not dead, right?”
If Joey gets this while driving, it’s possible that he becomes so focused while driving that his heart rate drops suddenly, to the point where his brain feels the need to do that little check-in.
Story 3 is all sorts of wrong but the fact it continued after his arms healing. BRUH!!!! One day it going to hit him like a ton of bricks. If he has kids and they want sleepover at grandmas might be the day. Or when he tells a partner. Just one day and it’s going to be devastating
I’m sorry but the incest story made me feel SO sick. It’s absolutely horrifying 43:35
The only people who need to apologize are the gross fuckers in that story because what the fuuuuuuuuck 🤮 this whole episode is unhinged
Thanks for the heads up/ TW in advance 🙏
yea I'm honestly not okay after that story I wish my ears didn't hear it at all. I couldve went the rest of my life knowing about that
the fact he was so groomed he's still okay with it.. Also with both parents being so eager and willing causes me to not remotely trust his sister was untouched. at the least she knew.. But like those aren't human beings why wouldn't the dad do something?? He was jealous of his own wife and son and saw nothing wrong??? ffs 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@bxbydrxgxn Totally, he was groomed an saw nothing wrong with it, I hope that part of what the researcher did was get them all therapy but I think it was researching the 'positive side of incest' I doubt it. I also agree the sister knew something at least, even if not everything.
I get the feeling that it might have been some cuck kink the dad had but wasn't okay with random guys but the son was considered an acceptable substitute, somehow - or maybe developed into that and that's why it continued even after the healing process (not that I think it was okay in the first place/during healing). This is the only reason I can think of for why the sister would have been untouched. (ETA: I hadn't watched far enough for them to mention this about other stories when I commented)
Story two: the bf goes to all that effort but can't take 5 minutes to research compostable toilets?! What he's done is insane & a health hazard. Also the fact that he went behind her back & just did it anyway after she said no to this is a pretty big red flag.
I was thinking exactly that. There’s dry toilets at a lot of parks here where it’s essentially a litter box made for humans. There’s going to be fecal matter and sand all over their BEDROOM. I would dump him (no pun intended)
And why the bedroom?! So horrifying not to mention we shouldn’t be dumping human waste in landfills we have toilets for a reason 😭
i think it is a kink and it skinda gross to force that on to your partner
Yeah, this isn't about money or the environment. He is doing it to get his jollies off
Besides the fact that it's a health hazard, besides the fact that he disrespected her actual boundaries, could you imagine seeing your ASS NAKED man just squatting and grunting in the middle of your floor? A little sweat bead on his forehead? The SMELL hitting you in the face as you push open the door? I could NEVER look him in the eyes again. Idec.
basement yard listeners, who wants to bet frankie is gonna bring up the bread in ketchup thing again on the next keeping it frank cos morgan also said it was gross 😭
Or that sandwich with just onions and mayonnaise
I bet the back of my left knee
story 3: obviously so disgusting all around but the "my sister wasn't wired that way" got me as if she's the weird one for being the only one in the family not interested in incest????
I had the same reaction! Makes me wonder if this was said to him as justification from his mom...
Intrusive thoughts are no joke. I was holding scissors the other day when I thought about just stabbing myself in the throat with them. I also often think about just driving into oncoming semi trucks. I think they're characteristic of an anxious mind which is almost always scanning for the worst outcomes and possibilities.
morgan changing the title from egregious to outstandingly bad is a mood. i can't say it either lmao
‘ ee gree joss ‘ idk if that helps lmao
The way I want Morgan to be on Joe's shows so she can finally ask all the right questions
THANK YOU FOR THIS COLLAB! i literally gasped out loud when i opened youtube and saw this. Joe and Frank need to have you on their show or you bring them both back because the three of you together would absolutely demolish the internet 😂😂😂😂
Please bring Joe on more often. This episode had me in TEARS! I was absolutely dead at some parts. Great episode again Morgan! Love listening to you! ❤
“he was like papa” LMFAOOO THE WAY I LAUGHED AT THAT 😭😭
This is pure choas start to finish and i loved every second. I would 100% watch a podcast thats the two of you about literally anything
Wait I’m having crazy deja vu, I commented this in almost the exact wording on ig a few weeks ago
I worked in the vet clinic, went in like "I don't understand how people don't like a dog breed". Then I met doodles
Also please don't pretty litter for your cats, I've had patients that ended up getting infection due to the litter. It's plastic and most cats press their genitals on the litter can imagine what that can do to their body. It works don't get me wrong but it also causes issues. All my patients that had issues while using this litter all got better after their owner discarded the litter. Save your pet from getting UTI's and your wallet. It's not worth the risk.
thank you for your hyper-specific comments 😂 I have been trying to steer my gf away from BOTH switching to pretty litter for our cats and adopting a doodle with our tiny apartment, lol
Lol I’m a vet tech and have developed some biases myself 😂 my favorite is when people claim their pet is “hypoallergenic” (like doodles).
@@Cashhhhewahhh so doodles aren’t? I don’t know much about them!
I don’t know any doodles, now I’m curious why you don’t like them much lol
Morgan loves talking about poop...Joe loves talking about poop. This is amazing.
Joe is really doing the rounds on the podcast circuit lately. I’m here for it 💁🏾♀️
Morgan is so cute this episode I’m dying😭 “in the car driving and what if someone hit me” in between tears😭😭
I’ve been watching Joe for about 9 years now. I’m so happy you got him on the podcast, 2 of my favorites. ❤️❤️
Same!!!
Same he was the first youtube video I watched
i love how the incest story grossed you out so much that you went on a tangent about death anxiety, driving and shitting your pants instead
It's really disgusting that parents are even remotely okay giving their children sexual pleasure! I did see something years ago where this man jerked off his son because he was disabled and couldn't do it for himself. It's a weird scary world out here!
THE FUCK
So weird like if he has expressed a desire to experience sexual pleasure/disappointment that he can't why not just get them a toy of you're that worried about it? Like I still think it's a little odd and they would probably need help situating it which ew but it's LEAGUES better
@@bannahannana9403or you just let him deal with it, because he's a child, and that's just real life? His parents are pedophiles and fxcked up. You have to remember, the NUMBER ONE group of people selling their children, s**trafficking their children, rxping/m"l"sting their children, are PARENTS. It's not family friends, it's not grandparents, it's parents usually.
seeing morgan do stuff like film in spotify's studio makes my heart so happy, she's doing amazing!!!
This is the first time I’ve ever listened to Morgan’s podcast and I just want to say I think she’s so intelligent and I love listening to her talk. She’s open minded and can communicate so well. I subscribed immediately!
I was waiting for the pita bread & ketchup story from Joe. I’m sure Frankie feels so validated with Morgan’s reaction 😂 18:35
Morgan laugh crying about panic attacks over dying was so relatable! That happened to me for MONTHS and finally I was able to snap out of panicking over it when trying to go to sleep. It was bad, I started listening to paranormal stories on RUclips while falling asleep to have something else to think about. Also helps with knowing if I'm having sleep paralysis and getting out of it.
i never thought i’d see a collab between my two fav podcasts! the way i’ve been following joe since his youtube days and morgan since the first episode of two hot takes, this is by far one of my fav eps so far
I listened to this on Spotify and now I'm watching here because Joe always makes the most amazing facial expressions😂
I still get so embarrassed and scared to buy pregnancy tests and I'm 30! And actively trying to get pregnant. And now I'm pregnant and I feel weird going in for tests and stuff lol. The shame is real
I’m 29 with two kids & trying for a third & I’m still embarrassed to get pregnancy tests 😅
The only two patreons I've ever been apart of coming together. Love to see it. I also find it endearing when Joe goes on a tangent about something he's passionate about i.e. maintaining his privacy while being a public figure
I’m stunned by the first story, this reminds me of that Reddit story of the time one coworker told their vegan coworker that gummy bears were made from gelatin. Because they saw her eating gummy bears and was confused because most people know that gummy foods are made from animal 🦴 🤦♀️ when they told her she googled it and was pissed that the OP ruined gummies for her!
Haha that happened to me years ago but with Doritos and my vegan friend was like ummm you know there is pork in that! I was not mad at all, happy that someone told me if anything. Getting mad seems silly to me!
I’ve had to tell a few Muslims that lays used pork grinds in their food bc it’s not well known at all
@@emilydecanter164 it’s definitely not bc I was vegan 2 years at this point and did my research but never knew many chip brands contain pork! I would never thought pork was in chips… it’s good to educate people regardless! 💕💕
That person in the story being upset is "vegan" for the wrong reasons if they'd rather not know what food they're eating than know so they can stop.
With most guests the first time I hear about them is in this podcast, it’s such a nice feeling seeing someone that I’ve followed for more than 6 yrs. It’s like two world colliding
I absolutely love how Morgan sometimes is so grossed out by people's actions but at the same time she conjures up great original theories about their process 🤣🤣🤣
"In a banana peel to get the proper shape, WTF???"
literally was so excited when I saw joe’s face. I feel like i’m watching a disney channel mashup episode
really weird that you both suggested that the boy’s parents in the third story should have hired him a sex worker to help him masturbate, and didn’t even question how weird that is too. that is still sexual abuse of a minor.
Fr everyone is commenting about eggs but what about this 😭
I was screaming this, he was a minor! That story has me so irate.
I think they were referring to the other story with the paralyzed son, who's age was not disclosed. But agree if they're a minor!
@@ManifestBestthey said he was 14 when it started
@@ManifestBest it seemed like they were talking about both stories.
I have never felt so seen when Morgan talked about dying a lot. I do too! Also giving myself panic attacks and thinking worse case scenarios. I mention it to people and they act like it’s absurd to have these thoughts. Some take it like it’s suicidal thought.. and I’m like no I’m scared of it happening and that’s the last thing I want. a counselor even made me feel weird for having those thoughts. How is it absurd it’s going to happen at some point to everyone. Idk thank you for being real about that❤😂😅
I’m glad I’m not alone in it too ❤️❤️❤️
I have severe intrusive thoughts and some hallucinations, it’s so scary.
@@DiMagnoliahugs to you ❤
I'm so sorry your counciller made you feel that way. It's more common than people realise, and even if it wasn't, it's not cool to diminish someone who's opening up to you. You're not alone, I've had intrusive thoughts about dying and getting injured for as long as I can remember. Hugs ❤
51:25 OH MAN this is such a relatable episode, Joe I know exactly what you mean with the hypnotized thing. If I'm driving on a highway I often start derealizing and I feel like I'm not the one controlling my body, everything starts feeling kind of unreal, like I'm viewing the world through a camera, and I get really anxious that I'll loose ability to steer or something. The way I try to snap back is blinking or tapping my arms or try to do something to remind me that I do in fact have control over my body. But recently I got so anxious I almost pulled over.
I get road hypnotized also if I'm on a long road trip & I'm getting bored or the slightest bit tired! It's pretty dangerous, actually... I will shake my head a little, back and forth to physically shake myself out of it. It works for me.
I dont get the anxiety of losing control of myself or the outta body feeling... I start to get blurry vision & the feeling someone gets when they are just about to fall asleep, it's a little euphoric & floaty like!
Funny story for morgan- i live in a small town. I was having some issues with fertility (not too bad but longer than i expected). I went to go pick up another pregnancy test at the local store. They keep them behind the counter locked up so you have to ask for one in front of everyone. I asked for the pregnancy test a wanted and the old lady working there said super loud as she was getting it unlocked "You already need another test?!!" Apparently she had checked me out previously and remembered me. "How many times do you have to test?" She asks loudly. I wanted to die. And cry. A girl behind me came up and said "THATS NONE OF YPUR BUSINESS MAM!" I had never met the girl but i thanked her several times for having my back when i wanted to burst into tears. I can laugh about it now as i am 6 months pregnant lol. Mind you it had been atleast a month or two between tests. Im also engaged and in a commited relationship and im 26 lol i still was embarrassed
Girl I never, ever buy my pregnancy tests because of that now, I order on Amazon or my husband does it. Im 23, we have 3 kids(4 year old & a set of 1 yr old twins), we own our home, we are a COMPLETELY normal happy family, but the times I have gone to check out with a cashier, I get side eyed because I'm young, they assume I don't have kids lol(I don't buy pregnancy tests if they are with me, and I am a chronic tester, because I get scared I'll find out a little late, I want to be on prenatal asap, we aren't trying for another at all, but I'm not on BC😂)
I already know this is going to be great with Joe
Okay, but the sauna fear is so real! My husband and I got locked in an at home sauna when he accidentally broke the door knob off from the inside. The control panel to turn it on and off was outside. Thankfully he was able to get us out, but I was convinced we were done.😬
Omg. New fear unlocked
A quick Google search will show that it has unfortunately happened quite a few times. 😔
This collab made my entire week 😭 the chemistry is *chefs kiss* could we have frankie on for another episode or maybe Morgan could go on the basement yard?
The one and only Joe Santagato!
Thanks
To answer your question about eggs, for me (a 5 year vegan for animal ethics reasons) the process of collecting eggs seems harmless. But in reality, these hens are kept in wire cages their entire life and in the most cruel conditions. They were genetically modified to over-produce eggs, which really is not good for them, and causes them to live a shortened life. Hope this can shed some light as to why many vegans don’t eat eggs 😁
Yeah, even cage free eggs doesn't mean they get to roam free or have a good life.
I adopted four chicks, and I hope they enjoyed their lives, they were free roaming, and all lived to nearly eight years old. Goofy as heck, the lot of them, and one hen would constantly try and check me and show me who was boss. 😂
Just a hypothetical because I'm curious. Would you eat eggs from someones backyard hens if they where treated well? If not I am not judging I am just wondering. I am not vegan but I am appalled at factory farming and am trying to move towards not having to buy any food I don't consider ethica,l but it is very difficult as even commercially farmed vegetables kill an incredible amount of animals in order to grow them, and well soy is one of the worst. So it feels like a loosing battle all around.
@@redbunny22 why is soy the worst? I could see all kinds of animals and stuff making home in any crop.
@@RealBradMiller deer love soy and wont leave it alone commercial soy farms hire people to keep watch and shoot the deer then they just dispose of them. if you look into it they kill a tremendous amount of deer for a soy crop. I forget how many on average but i remember it is a lot. That's on top of all the moles voles mice and birds that get tilled up and ground up alive by the combine when they prep the fields. If you watch a combine in the field you can see scavengers running behind it to get all the free grub. sometimes you can actually hear animals scream as it hits them if you are close enough.
@redbunny22 Personally, as a vegan I wouldn't eat eggs from a backyard hen but if you wanted to it is better than supporting factory farms. However small farms wouldn't be able to meet the demand if everyone switched to small farms. The reason factory farms exist is for amount and efficiency because people eat so many animal products. Also most of the world's soy is fed to farm animals like cattle so eating soy is better for the environment and saves more animals than eating animals, if that makes sense.
Blessing us with Chris Klemens and then Joe Santagato?? Dang girl, what did we do to deserve these gifts? 🤩
what joe is talking about is called highway hypnosis. its actually quite common, especially for longer drives.
i got this a lot in college, it was terrifying!! it’s been over 5 years since then, and i’m just now getting comfortable driving for longer than 30 minutes again
I honestly tended to think it was just a common form of disassociation.
your collabs have been absolutely top tier every time and this is the best crossover episode ever
*The fact that two adults dont know what tunnel vision means while driving, goes to show that we Really need to revamp the driving education in this country. It's Way too easy to get a license.*
I have a high pain tolerance, but a kidney stone had me crying on the floor, throwing up non-stop and thinking I was about to die.
Stay hydrated, guys! 😘
same, never felt anything like that. I was 17 when i got mine thought it was my appendix because of how awful i felt i couldn’t even walk to the car LOL
I haven’t had a kidney stone but I did have gallstones. It was worse than giving birth! So I can only imagine is just as bad or worse since some people pass them where you can’t pass a gallstone. I just had to get my gallbladder removed.
@@Nicoleemariaaa THE WHOLE THING TAKEN OUT? OVER THE STONES ?
I had an aunt who claimed to be vegetarian for years, but ate chicken and shrimp…. Silly goose 😮
thats a pescatarian lol
@@intergalactic-losernot trying to be annoying, but isn’t that technically pescatarian? I thought pescatarians ate fish and white meat. I could 100% be wrong, but I’m honestly trying to figure it out!
@@intergalactic-loservegetarians don’t eat any kind of meat (beef, chicken, fish, veal, lamb etc). Source- ex vegetarian.
In many Asian cultures, and maybe South America, they don't consider chicken or fish as meat. Maybe that's why she was confused. Just like the people who say pescatarians would eat chicken 🤭
Maybe it just makes more sense to me because I speak some latin languages. Fish would be: pescado, peixe, peşte etc, that's where the term comes from.
@@alyssa-mariedetterich6176 I thought pescatarians only eat fish/seafood! Not poultry
I’ve watched Joe for over 8 years! I’m so happy to see my loves together 💜
" I wonder if you had a little seizure." She says to the hypochondriac.
i actually screamed when i was this came out, my two fave podcasts, sooo excited!
i love how chatty this episode is!! love the reddit stories but also love getting to know you and the guest better! one of my favorites :)
Incredible podcast!!! Don't get me wrong, super fucking disturbing on every level! But having Joe as a guest was everything! The chemistry was amazing, and they seemed like they had been friends forever (minus the fact that Morgan didn't seem to know almost anything about him... yet the way in which they were talking was like they were old friends!). Really great and entertaining collaboration! I hope that it happens again!
Love Joe and love Morgan! Great episode! 🙌🥰 Morgan crying halfway through….so classic 😂😂
7:05 if you want to know why people don’t eat eggs- so the problem with eggs is that the egg industry is horrendous and the chickens used for eggs are trapped in cramped tiny cages or crammed in super over crowded rooms (usually their beaks and toes get cut off so they can’t peck or scratch each other) with terrible food and a horrible life. They get slaughtered as soon as their egg production slows down (usually when they are 2 or 3 years old, which is still very young for a chicken) and the male babies are killed immediately since they can’t produce eggs. Also domestic chickens have been bred to WAY over produce eggs and it is terribly unhealthy for them (like having a period every day of your life).
PLEASE get frankie on the pod with joey next time!!!😱this is my comfort video hahaha
Joe was the 1st “creator” I ever watched on like Facebook way back when 😂 he was so funny
I miss Idiots on the Internet 😢
this collab is my peak, nothing will ever be better than this.
I wish there were way more stories in this episode. Joe is a wonderful person to get reactions from!
The driving thing he talked about is highway hypnosis. There used to be public service commercials about it
The crossover we never expected or knew we needed! 😍 What a wonderful surprise!!
I was literally driving to work when listening to story 3 and it honestly put me in such a bad mood.. I’m disgusted. I had to skip it
You can tell Joe gets the feels when you start crying. It’s like a man who can’t handle a girl crying. 😂
i’ve watched Joe since i was 11 i’m now 24. this is the best thing ever. i love watching Joe interact with Morgan it’s SO funny. i would’ve loved to have seen Frankie too! ALSO im just as mad about the HBO shit too hahah.
As soon as they started talking about dipping sauces, I knew Joe was bringing up dipping pita in ketchup 😂
"Theres cheese in this?"
"Yeah unless you know another way to make QUICHE 😂😂"
my jaw dropped when I saw this upload. Joe was one of my OG crushes back in the day lmfao. I made everyone i know watch his videos. def an unexpected collab
My favorite "intrusive" / paranoia thought is everytime I leave the room where my husband & kids are all I can think of is that I'm in the first 5 minutes of a dateline episodes. I constantly think im going to get murdered, basically. What fun!
Truly so happy 2 of my fav podcasters came together 😭 just need an H3 crossover now and I could die happy 🥹
Loving this combo 👏 very rarely am I ever disappointed when the side convos end and you guys go back to the stories! But you guys vibed so well every minute was so funny/ relatable
I TOTALLY remember the litter box story 😂
Because chicken are still held in inhumane conditions for your eggs, Morgan.
when im bored at work and they drop this COLLAB OF THE YEAR
Morgan please don’t take it the wrong way but watching you try to relate by telling your own stories but always one uping them is meeee lmao it’s like watching myself and now I know why my friends get annoyed 😂 ADHD thangs
This whole episode just keeps you in a state of shock and I miss while I used to be before I heard this episode.
Can we get time stamps for updates? At least if the chatting goes really long. Love you! Just got very off topic during incest story and I wanted to know if there was an ending!
I had something kinda similar happen to me with my ex who was vegetarian. He was trying to gain muscle and go to the gym and all of that. One time we were ordering food and picking sides for a dish we were ordering. We had already picked a lentil based side and he suggested we also get a chickpeas side. My response was idk if I want another carb heavy side. His response “chickpeas are not carbs they are protein” to which I said “its both, a lot more carbs than protein actually”. Man got so angry at me when he googled this because he had been eating lots of chickpeas to try to gain muscle. I’m so shocked other people have dealt with this madness also…