I'm willing to entertain the idea that all the worship and sacrifices to the Emperor had those souls absorbed by his, and that he has a realm in the warp, which is where Celestine goes when she dies, and where other saints regenerate after death. Whether he didn't mean to, or planned it this way, he's gonna be a god when the chair breaks.
Honestly I am pretty sure all who die on Terra are safe from the whole eaten by warp predators fate. What happens to all those souls ... could make an interesting plot point.
Why cant the whole ecclesiarchy just made up story that soon emperor will be waking up from his slumber? If enough soul believe it strongly it can manifest right?
@@badape9227 I'm pretty sure he was stomped out of existence during the Golden Age of Humanity. Cause by the time Big E is Uniting Terra there is no pre-collapse religions to be spoken of.
“Do not worry. Even when you are gone you will always be by our side. Goodbye Dominique.” The God-Emperor Starchild to Saint Dominique and Saint Celestine upon being reborn into the Mortal realm
I'm of the opinion that bringing back the Emperor would be the "End Times" of the 40k universe and I'm pretty sure that some people will understand how much if a bad idea that is.
I can see it now. Humanity slowly getting wiped out and empowering E with each death. The Eldar just have a civil war. Necrons go to sleep again in a different galaxy. Tau get wiped out. Just as Chaos and Nids fight over Terra, E opens his eyes and everything ends. Then we get a new setting a few months later.
We know the end times are coming that's been spoken about for like 20+ years now. With new media things are really ramping up. not just resetting at M41.999 as it has been forever.
That depends on the form his return takes. He could possibly come back weaker than his Heresy era strength. Then he would have to recover, save his sons from the Chaos gods, bring back the dead ones(as was mentioned by Malcador) and complete the plan. A galaxy scale redemption scheme.
If the Emperor retains his memories every time he reincarnates (as he has apparently done throughout history, living many lives influencing mankind etc) then depending on whether this was all according to plan, then he will either do a little smile and say right lets finish the fight halo 3 theme here, or if this wasn't all part of the plan he will proceed to carry out a shit kicking of very literal biblical proportions. Remember how mad Guilliman was when he woke up? Just imagine how angry big E is gonna be when he sees half a million worlds which are essentially just giant churches to him.
It depends. Big E was big against Religion because he truly believed Science and Atheism was the only was to beat chaos. But The Aethiest Primarchs fell to chaos Very Fast. Hell most Ecclisiarch Imperial Guardsmen are able to Withstand chaos better than a 30k space marine. Also Big E can’t get rid of his Divinity. It was affecting him during the Great Crusade and he was already manifesting Saints, Anti-Warp Faith powers and Legions of the Damned. He can’t Get Rid of it anymore because it’s a permanent part of his soul. Most likely he will pull a Lion El’Johnson be a little grumpy but Live with his Divinity because he knows it’s the only way to protect mankind
that entirely depends on what games workshop wants big E to be nowadays. he could be thetragic, strict but misled father-figure, that fell due to his own folly when it comes to faith - as he was written by 20yo nerds back in the 80s he could be an unironic sigmar-like god figure, to continue the spirit of the parody he could be the 5th chaos god of order, a tyrannical imperator figure in the ultimate endgame of the 80s who knows - I just hope GW doesn't awaken him just yet.
I like the idea that he is making an heir to the empire. The emporer is implanting his soul into a body somewhere where he is capable of growing up again as a new child. A child capable of commanding the empire in its darkest hour to win out
Was kinda hinted at in the Dark Imperium series, where Robot Ghoullyman caps it all off by telling a dying man who lived to serve him that everything he believed in was nothing but lies, mist and ashes.
I like to think there are two Emperors at this point, the original "real" Emperor who led the Great Crusade and has been sat near dead on the Golden Throne for 10 millenia, and the God Emperor warp entity that the Imperium has been creating via their worship for those 10 millennia.
If you read the Leviathan book Confessor Thurgan thought he saw the image of a golden figure who would martyr him and take him to be at his side. Turned out to be the Norn Emissary, the Confessor became tyranid nosh.
The Emperor coming back and the Star Child also being a thing has so much potential. The Reborn Emperor could stomp Chaos into almost non existence by sheer brutality saving humanity but dooming it in another way. Then you can have to the followers of the Star Child trying to get the Star Child and the Reborn Emperor to fuse to prevent some calamity.
it would have even more potential if the clarity of the star child being the emperor reborn would be put into question, giving potential to a schism in the imperial cult
@@berndlauert8179 That would be my assumption, I could easily see the Order of the Argent Shroud and Sacred Roses sideling with the Star Child over the Reborn Emperor. I will say for storytelling reasons it would be better if the Star Child was actually born to a woman like classic Emperor.
@@crewie94 also him dealing with the imperium politics that forced worship, if i recall Big E did not want to be worshipped as a god, but honoured as a man so if he were to wake up i imagine a giant explosion just levelling the palace on Terra, then just going full doomguy on Chaos entities
Interesting idea that all of Eldar hopes would rest on a human god. It would explain Eldrad's schemes and dickery. It would also be beautifully ironic, especially if it turns out that the whole ynnari nonsense is just Big E's side project. Just imagine the knife ear reaction upon learning that.
@igooog ah yes, the vaunted "Eldar diplomacy" because when a race of arrogant knife ear space jypsys invade the throne room of your leader and attempt to kill his guards, you're in for a fuckin party. 😅
If the Emperor is sending the saints and the legion of the damned, I wonder if he is only consciously commanding them during times of humanity's greater outcries of despair. Being woken for moments to send his "daemons" where they are needed.
Naah. His power works on instinct. His mind is still on the throne in pain. He feels the need of those who call his name and sends them based on that. No higher reasoning. Remember he had to put immense effort into saving G-man.
@@Ghastly_Grinner Daemons aren't necessarily evil. Remember all strong emotions can manifest in the warp. As such, there's no difference between a demon and an angel when it comes to warp entities.
A funny thing about the Astartes being taken away from the Emperor's personal and primary achievements is that it's actually return to day one, as the original coverage of the Astartes process was framed as some of the Emperor's scientists going over their results. In a wider sense, he may be unfathomably superhuman, but the other Perpetuals were no slouches either and there's been so much gene-modding caked on that vaguely comparable absurd geniuses can emerge at random, and he cannot wipe his ass with causality, so Neoth could be stuck reserving his incredible brainpower for military planning and governance to keep the foundational efforts on track, leaving everything he could get away with to others for the sake of making sure that food supplies don't fall through and work-crews are at high efficiency. This then introduces a complication on his return: He can't actually manage the modern Imperium to the same degree. So outsource, outsource, outsource, desperately cycle corruption, purge the everliving crap out of departmental rivalries to bring down the friction, and generally LOOK like a continuous flawless wrecking ball but in reality JUST barely pull the Imperium out of its death-spiral because he may be the most capable man in the galaxy, but it's still bigger than him.
I’ve always enjoyed the idea of the Sensei purely because they are, at the core, a wildcard for the setting. They could very well destroy the imperium or resurrect the emperor. That and we need more stuff that takes the focus away from Space Marines.
I mean, the Sensei also make sense because... I don't believe for a minute that Emps lived for multiple tens of thousands of years and never got laid. It would eventually happen. And I could see those offspring being immortal (but not perpetuals) themselves. The part I don't get is how the Sensei are all supposed to blanks... It doesn't make much sense as to why that would happen. It's one of those things in Warhammer 40K where I love the idea of it, but its execution is... lacking. It could've been handled so, so much better. And... have a less cringy name.
@@matchesburn Are they blanks? I read very little of them (on a wiki somewhere, like years ago) but I thought it was the opposite, they're psykers who have such talent with the warp, they essentially can keep it from back firing on them/avoiud side effects?
GW is slowly bringing the Primarchs into play to do exactly that. My only hope is that we see some kind of 41st (42nd) millennium fall to chaos of another primarch, would do a lot to spice up the setting especially after the last few years of endless Imperium whitepills. Honestly I could almost see Dorn returning and just becoming an even more pissed off and vengeful version of Perturabo.
@@igooogon that note.... a daemon machine super-dreadnought (but not a soul-sold daemon prince) perturabo returning to further his schemes with Vashtorr would be a great foil for dorn.
@@matchesburn The do need a bit of rewrite, but then working as something akin to the Alpha Legion would be such a cool thing to see. Especially if it we put them head to head against Inquisition.
@@HengerR Russ let the big baddie get away when it mattered most, meanwhile Perturabo chased a demon primarch into a goddamn black hole Granted he became one himself afterwards but come on, Russ don't got the balls for that
Perturabo should have been Warminster, and horus should have been the one rectifying the rectal regression that is lorgar. Dorn maintains his position as regeant of Terra handling home defenses, whilst Magnus should have been put on the throne directly after Nikea ("hey dude, I know it all seems fucked, but it's all safeguards and subterfuge to guard and hide the psyker power play that is gonna make it all worth it. Now shut up and sit down in that chair. Yes, that big gold one.") Guilliman should have been put in an executive judiciary check on the lords of Terra, not given the ability to legislate, but rather, the power to veto, and given command over the logistics implimenting those decisions levied by the lords of Terra. Russ should have been sent right out to give angry a-aron the big fight to the last drop of blood he always wanted and put down properly. Corax should have been sent to personally end psycho batman konrad. Alphegon and Omegarius should have been sent to sniff out any wriggling rebellions in fermentation, like in case there was some sort of masons like lodge of warriors forming up. Khan should have been sent with vulkan to mop up any knife ears that decided to be around long enough to be shot or stabbed. Ferris Manus and the hentai ecchi fab-lord should have been put in charge of internal intersquad training and teamwork exercises cause for fucks sake, nobody understands what squad goals are in the space marines. Lion El Johnson and sanguinius should play honor guard while secretly figuring out how to use the blood angels as a backpocket anti-legion legion. Lastly, lorgar should have been executed publicly as a specific example of what direct disobedience of the emperor's word bears in the end. Mortarion should be used to wipe up the word bearers as he would enjoy cleaning up the warp cumsplooge they became, crust lord that he is. And malcador should go get laid.
I like the idea of his finding away to ascend as a god of order, and passing the torch to his loyal sons. Watching the loyalist primarchs have to reform the empire would be fun, and a great gimick that would take ages.
I like to think that Big E and the "God Emperor" are actually two different beings: one a top-tier psycher and the other the collective manifestation of who all people believe said psycher to be. the two of them are having a disagreement where the latter insists they are the same person and the former continuously denying the latter is "real"
I like the idea that once the emperor coalesces he'll be reborn slaanesh style and simply devour the trillions of human souls in the proverbial blast radius.
Since tyranids are drawing ever so closely to Terra itself, maybe it will also be an answer to the tyranid threat. He will just consume them as well. Or maybe shadow in the warp will dampen the explosion, if this is how it works.
I always appreciate YOUR lore understanding over Luetins because he does moral grandstanding and his opinion on what "LORE" is TOO MUCH and this is just so refreshing after his grandstanding
Luetin proudly proclaiming that he doesn't understand hypotheticals at fucking all automatically disqualifies him from ever being taken seriously on any topic more complex than a box without a lid or a short stick.
Luetin has trouble separating his own moral beliefs from 40k. It’s easy to believe in modern moralism when you remove the daemons, xenos, and so forth. Imagine if a cult formed tomorrow that could pray and do rituals that summon diseased daemons to infect them with horrific diseases. They had no desire to infect non-believers, but accidents do happen, of course. We are supposed to believe people wouldn’t be screaming to have the cult oppressed, dismantled, or outright stomped out? My ass.
The thing I've always imagined is if the star child is his compassion it could be the very cruel kind of compassion the kind that gets you labeled as a god of mercy and not the current definition of mercy the real definition the swift death to a dying enemy on the battlefield mercy the a fast death is a good death kind of mercy
About big e having sex and not breaking a woman. I’m one of the Horus heresy books it implied that he’s actually the size of an average man, but uses psychic powers to make himself look like a god
I can strangely see a scenario that functions like many fantasy books about the rise of the Starchild and how he goes through the archetypical "Hero's Journey." Here is how the scenario could go: - In a foreseeable large conflict after the Great Rift, a child is found in a strange place on the battlefield, much like all other primarchs. His appearance might have been viewed as "a Star, blind the shadows in the warp," seen by all psychers and somehow calming them after the Chaos stress and corruption that they had. - The child is taken after viewing omens that signal his divine connection to the Emperor, a whole repeat of the Logar situation. This is something that would alarm Rowboat Gigachad to extreme, but he doesn't know about him yet. - The child is good, as in objectively and purely good, Disney childhood kind of good. Heretics were brought up to him and he just forgave them, and the touch of the warp was removed from them. He would be heavily inspired by Jesus Christ, and plays the part as well. Even Celestine would decend one day and bless him kind of holy. - Robotic Gearlyshift and his brother Prisly L'Bronson finally find him and they are very much suspicious of him, like is he their father, is he their brother, or is he a new mutation that is simply a Blank Ultra+??? If he is their father, then how much does he remember. If he is their brother, would he betray them like one half of them. If a blank, can they repeat the mutation and can they allow the existence of such an individual who would be worshipped as a god. They don't know and they don't know how to handle him. - He is too nice, as in debilitating himself kind of nice. He makes mistakes, is too trusting, and is creating all sorts of enemies within the Ecclesiarchy and the Inquisition who hate him forgiving attitude. To stack it above that, he is also no where close to the primarchs in Strength, Intelligence, or Capabilities. He is for all intent a normal child with blank powers that purifies all around him. - Something happens and he is forced to change, become slowly a more similar to the Original pre-Neoth Emperor version, even gaining superior powers the more he removes himself from humanity and kindness, all while the two primarchs are seeing this and are both terrified that they are being replaced by an unknown version of the Emperor, perhaps an exact version that is more harsh, and saddened by the fact that for all intents a "brother" of theirs is losing all his humanity and compassion that they grew to admire somehow being drawn out of him for the sake of keeping the Imperium alive. Perhaps they even know he is their brother, but he has to sacrifice his personality for the sake of slowly allowing the Emperor to manifest in him, slowly removing him, e.g. the opposite of how Richboy Grappyhand had to stay within his armor, only to slowly remove his dependency on it. The main idea of Grimdark is not that good things like the "Good T'au" can't exist, but that their existence is anathema to the world around them and they would slowly die unless they adapt and harden themselves, like the current "dictator T'au." Grimdark doesn't exist in the absence of Good, but by the abolishment of it in the most horrifying and depressing manner. Queue "Evil is not the absence of Good,..." saying.
Bruh that explains why Cadia shatters, some Cadian officer told his Deathkorps regiment to entrench itself, ubfortunately he was assasinated and due to the chaos of the situation, they entrenched too deeply and cracked the planet, someone causing abbadon to loose his arms in the process of breaking cadia, this scared the eldar into doing things again, and some space marine chads felt inspired and became gym bros, aka Primaris. There we fixed the lore
My favourite Emperor lore has been basically binned now. The idea he's just fucking dead. A corpse on the throne. And all the imperium are still blindly jugging along not realising daddy's not coming back with the milk. Or even just the mystery. Is he still in there or is he dead. Progressing the setting was the worst thing they ever did.
Would make far more sense, and it could be linked to the same "warp entity" that originally gave Sigmar his own authority or power, or to Ulrich or all the other "God Kings" in the whole of Warhammer.
-Big E kicks the bucket -Star child is born -Star child is a literal infant -The Imperium has to stand for at least 20 years before little E can become big E again. Chaos has 20 years to do whatever the fuck they want, including doing what they can to hunt little E down. Would be a better galaxy-shaking plotline then whatever GW is doing now.
The biggest issue that I can see with this is...what happens to the warp rift in/on Terra when the Big E reincarnates? You want Eye Of Terror 2.0-Electric Boogaloo? This is how you get Eye Of Terror 2.0-Electric Boogaloo.
@@megaman1808It's Terra, The chaos gods would Absolutely pour an ungodly amount of warp energy into Terra. Best case scenario, you get a maelstrom size warp storm. Worst case, a cross split across the galaxy linking up with the cicatrix maledictum.
Would it create a Warp-rift/Storm. Because we have the Citrix Maledictum Currently. If the God Emperor is Reborn it will most likely act like how Slannesh did. He will Literally Destroy a majority of Force storms. And due to the Light of the Astronomican and how it works Earth most likely won’t fall to the same Eye of terror that occurred to the Eldar
@@megaman1808 any warprift could do that if it was just big enough. the idea is that the concentrated warp-energies of 10'000 years of blind faith and psyker sacrifices, multiplied by the emperor openign and messing with the webway directly, amplified by the starchild basically being a warp-entity infused with all the psychic powers of the imperium, a warp-god to rival the current 4 gods, would be analogous to the birth of slaneesh.
I’ll say I always interpreted the star child as the fragment of the Emperor that he cast off when he had to kill Horus, the one that represented his compassion and love, always seemed more narratively potent and dramatic to me. Never mind I just reached the point in the video where Arch says he hates it, I still think it and that ur wrong bro. (Jk think what you want still good video)
I feel like people forget compassion can be very very heavy handed in it's actions and be seen very cruel despite the end results being very beneficial to all I mean he could destroy Mars and remake all technology in his image and that seems like a nightmare but to some planets this would be a Imperial blessing
I've always been a fan of the Secret Heresy theory: In that final battle between the Emperor and Horus.... Horus Won. The Emperor was unable to strike down his beloved son, and though he was wounded, Horus slew his father. As the Emperor planned. We know the Emperor made some kind of deal with the chaos gods in order to create the Primarchs. Letting his son kill him was his key to shafting them and never paying the bill. Meanwhile, Horus had also cut a deal with the Ruinous Powers. Him taking his Father's place on the throne denied the chaos gods their final prize. He used his own sorcery to create an illusion over himself even his brothers couldn't see through. He'd stolen their blessings and with the endless fuel of thousands of psykers, Horus became strong enough to stop them from taking back their gifts. Horus sits on the throne, and powers the astronomicon. He is not as eternal as his father was, so his body decays but still he lives and slowly ascends towards godhood, intending to eclipse his father in every way. That's why the remaining Chaos legions call him THE FALSE EMPEROR. They all know that the original is gone, and that their former leader betrayed them all for his own glory and power. That's why the modern Imperium looks nothing like the atheist paradise the Emperor wanted. That's why everything is going wrong. Because the wrong man took the throne.
What? The emperor's original plan was for all humans in the galaxy to unite in a completely atheistic representative democracy. He hated being deified and punished one of his sons for starting a religion that worshipped him.@@toastle8005
Now we have the Dark King reveal at the 11th hour. Some sort of 5th Chaos god who has to be, and will be whomever takes up the crown, and it looks like the Emperor is doing so to stop anyone else; and he is stalling the process as long as possible.
No matter what happens, we can be assured that none of this was planned out at the beginning by GW and that the setting has been going on FAR longer than any of the creators had thought
Am I the only one who, at this point would love to see Arch trying to plunge and rationalize Mage: The Ascension lore with his usual metaphysical zeal? 😂
the Emp being too soft is a perspective that sort of answers a lot in the current HH books that i've long since wondered about and never considered as an option. him returning with a new found conviction would definitely be interesting to see too, especially if pushed to the point of it being a near fatal fault that could threaten that which he seeks to protect.
40K is a setting in which mankind is perpetually in its twilight hour. Doing whatever it takes to survive. Or to put it in goose terms. Peace was never an option.
Considering how they were character assassinating Big E over the last couple years, you can bet they mess it up to some degree either way. Hell i expect the whole thing to backfire, big E die and Erda somehow come back to life. I know Erebus finished her off for good (only good he ever did frankly) but i wouldnt put it past GW to undo soul death just because.
Honestly I kind of like the idea Luetin pitched, that Big E's resurrection would be a mirror of Slaanesh's birth. Unlike the Sultan of Somnia, however, I would much prefer that it is ultimately a great boon to humanity.
@@igooog It would be interesting to see an inverse of the Slaanesh event, but I highly doubt they would do something that would give Humanity such an 'advantage'. Humanity pretty much is already a dominate force in the galaxy, the only reason they haven't "won" it all is the Heresy screwed it all up, forcing a pseudo-stalemate. If they did something along those lines, they'd have to create some unknown force, or pump up an existing one to counter Humanities new found power. Can't sell figurines if the Xeno extermination is complete after all....
@@Psychoangel-d23 Well if the Horus Heresy is anything to base the 'future' prospects on, then chances he will just die and be replaced by a Woman. I'm still waiting for the "LAST" novel to come out so we can see Ollanius Pius's Heroic, legendary, amazing, personification of humanities will power, sacrifice be replaced with "insert random new female character" who will do it better and probably single handled beat Horus with feelings or some shit like that... The heresy novels have already done major damage to Big E's story, and more or less all of his lore has been replaced with "he stole that from a woman who would have done it better". The entire siege of Terra has been a mixture of a few interesting stories, with a fuck ton of filler, and new characters who feel like they have been created to fill a quota.
@@TheFeyd Normally i´d say "dont jinx it" but... You know what? bring it, burn it all to the ground at this point. They managed to make every faction look like incompetent morons by character assassinating one key figure, why not go all the way.
Warhammer 42K - rebirth of Sickmar, all your armies is useless and not being supported, Eldars - EL-Eldary, Orruks - Orrurruks, and ofc Space MMArineds in place of Space Marines.
Surely BIG Es psykic potency couldn't be contained in a mortal form any more? There's got to be some kind of split between him and the star child if he's going to have a physical presence.
In regards to the big E's leniency to the primarchs. By all accounts he had to obliterate two of them already and the fact that he didn't do the same when they rebelled might show how far the two unnamed ones had fallen or mutated. I don't know if big E knew of their fall to chaos or if he didn't find out until he directly confronted Horus.
I've always thought of the Emperor as being very similar to the Byzantine Emperor Justinian. A highly intelligent and talented ruler whose main strength was knowing which of his subordinates was right for a specific task and giving them the resources to accomplish it In terms of the Star Child... I got the impression that it IS the Emperor, from a certain point of view. Rather like the Christian Trinity, the Star Child is an embodied version of his consciousness, his 'body' sits upon the golden throne, and his... fragmented soul is spread across the warp, trying to reassemble itself and is getting better over time (for example, when Guilliman returns and Big E is able to pull himself together and talk to his son - but he couldn't have done that a few thousand years ago as he was too fragmented). This conception allows almost everything you discussed to be true and plausible.
Arch, it's already been established that Warp Entities LOVE worship, because it's far and away the most potent form of energy-giving, yes? Well, while Khorne et al might have a more widespread source of fuel (anger, lust, etc), nobody has anywhere near the amount of ORGANISED religion that Big E does. Everyone gets angry, yes, but there aren't a lot of people who explicitly organise Khornate worship. The Emprah, on the other hand, has literal tens of billions of people praying to him and explicitly worshipping him every single day. I can absolutely believe that he would be able to stand up to the other 4 despite having a technically-smaller powerbase.
I will say, I really do enjoy the old lore that the Emperor was the result of humanity's ancient shamans committing mass suicide to merge themselves into one consciousness and one being. It makes his purpose seem ... grander than if he was just some uber powerful psyker. It would also go a ways towards explaining the lack of psykers until Long Night. In essence, all of humanity would have merged its psychic potential into one being. The idea of a young Emperor not really knowing what to do with his abilities and how he should go about his duty of helping Mankind is a fascinating one. In regard to the Star Child, I like the theory that he is a large fragment of the Emperor's remaining soul. In reality, the Emperor of the 41st Millennium is likely more God than Man. It seems likely that the Golden Throne would cause his actual soul to continuously splinter off into the Warp out of sheer torment. What is actually maintaining the Emperor at this point is likely the Warp Entity that is the God Emperor. If the Golden Throne were to fail, I imagine the Emperor's barely living corpse being puppetted by the God Emperor would finally be allowed to die. In dying, as a perpetual existence, he would likely be reborn through the Star Child.
I lean towards big e and the God emperor being two separate things myself like your getting at. The post mortem worship of big e created the God emperor, if the corpse withers and rots to ash the worship will stop for the God. So he holds big e or is stuck with big e in this weird limbo. And if he was reborn it would clash with the being that is the God emperor in the warp.
the tts star child will always be the best thing of that little caldor drago stuck in the warp arc god gw should of just told alpha hes ok cuz he used so much fun old almost forgotten lore that really helped people wanna get into old old old GW 40k lore
15:59: GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! THE PAIN!!! I also wanna say that the tourists are THE example of how much of a wuss our modern society is. Maybe a war or two might shake us back into form... I'm not sure if I'm sarcastic about that one...
“Hey! Hey Fyodor! Have a happy new year, pal...” The Last words of Saint Dominique the Herald of the Starchild the most faithful of the God-Emperors servants
I hold the idea that malcador was the actual human super psych emperor using the prototype he forged in the warp to make his primarchs from. A super puppet meant to be his political face while he hid in plain sight
@@igooog i know hence the tragedy of the emperor is two fold, as magnus was meant to power the throne in shifts with the god emperor while malcador was to run the inquisition. chaos definitely messed the grand plan up. its a theory. i've been pondering just how a 10ft human would remain secret for many thousands of years.
I am pretty sure TTS covered the Emperor's love life in one episode, where he was very surprised exacyl by the fact that any of his mating partners survived the ordeal. X)
Oh man, how cool would it be if GW had Vashtorr infect the golden throne and he literally stands up the emperor's corpse like "yes, hello, I am god". That would be too perfect, to see humanity finally fall to the worship of a new chaos god. Maybe they'd even bring back the star child as a "new emperor", have all the remaining primarchs do the shaman mass suicide thing and reset the story
The cute, almost WALL-E-like look of Vashtorr in some pieces and the wording of “hello, yes, I am god” has for some reason got this very polite and honest tone of voice in my head 😅 just stands up and politely shakes a very puzzled custodian’s hand like a Wallace and Gromit character.
I don't think compassion and love is some sort of weakness honestly I'd say the lack of compassion is what brought the Imperium to the spot where it is
Given how GW's treated Big E in the Horus Heresy as of late making him less and less special I don't want him coming back, they've done enough damage to him.
I always imagined "the Emperors compassion" less like Vulcan like character and more like Shinobu Sensui from Yu Yu Hakusho. Something like :" I am very compassionate person so I will slaughter you so fast you will not even register it and so completly you will never by able to return to be able to feel pain again."
Haven't watched the video yet, but something stroke me as I was watching. Shouldn't it be kind of cool that when the golden throne fail and the Emperor finally dies, the Star Child is born at that very moment? The Star Child shows up in a massive flash of golden light, and descend down from the sky to see his own dead body. He turns to see all humans kneeling as if they are in the presence of God. The Emperor is confused by this, and order them to stand and treat him like a man. When he finally understand that they worship him as a God and he instinctively denies this until. Until a voice echos through the halls that say "FOOL". The corpse of the Emperor just spoke. The Star Child turns around only to see the corpse of the Emperor rise. The corpse Emperor talks to the star child as if he is a unruly child, and calls him foolish for denying his Godhood. It turns out that the corpse of the Emperor is actually possessed by aspect of a new Chaos God. The Chaos God everyone has been worshiping all this time. A new Chaos God that has been reborn into the real world and does not fully live within the Immaterium. The Star Child finally grows tired of the discussion and attacks the corpse Emperor. However he is still just a child as of yet. Stronger, faster and much more powerful than any human has a right to be, but still just a man. The corpse Emperor, using the experience and power from the Emperors past can easily match the Star Child even if his own strength simply can't be fully utilized yet as he himself has recently been birthed into this corpse. The Star Child is only saved from death by huge effort and loss Adeptus Custodes and Roboute Guiliman himself. This event cause a complete rift within the Imperium of Man. Every single faction has to pick a side now that the Emperor has returned. Should follow this new Emperor that came from some old prophecy that almost no one even know about? Should they follow the body they have been worshiping and kept all this time? Do they even know they will worship a chaos god? How do they know this new Emperor actually is the Emperor? What will happen to the universe now when the Astronomican is gone? Or is it actually gone? Can the corpse Emperor keep it lit to claim he is the real Emperor? What will all the enemies of man do while the whole Imperium is shaken down it its very core? Just a thought here. I don't think it fit all of the established lore, but from what I have seen this seems far from the worst overreach.
Maybe Big E is gonna come back as Little e and travel to terra to finish the human webway and put Big E out of his misery without destroying the planet Warp travel is harder nowadays so a boost to the imperium's mobility wouldn't hurt either
I like the idea that the emperor is being kept alive and unable to reincarnate. If the imperium just let's him die he'll be able to come back in his full glory and actually be able to do something.
This plot point has been brought back in the Dawn of Fire series. The book Throne of Light specifically revolves around the star child, finding the location, and attempting to seize them. Obviously it doesn’t happen in the book but they’re able to have some idea of the location. Of course whether it’s real or not is up for interpretation.
If I remember correctly from the Plague wars books then Guilliman's audience with his father showed us that the Emperor is somewhat ¨Shattered¨ or perhaps ¨scattered¨ would be better to say. It seemed like he is still there but it takes so much of him to manifest even for a moment. It is almost as if the different souls that make up the emperor is fighting for control now instead of being a true single being. Also the countless psykers that have been sacrificed to him over the millenia must surely make it harder for him to return. I have a feeling and a theory that Magnus might be a key to help the emperor coaless back into his true self again but that could only happen if Magnus was redeemed. I still see Magnus as the one Primarch that can be truly redeemed but that would involve humbling him properly and shatter Tzeentch's veil over his eyes.
Wouldn't necessarily require a redeemed Magnus. One of the coolest parts of Magnus is that his fall to chaos shattered him into shards; could be as simple as rounding up the shards and somehow binding them together with the demon boy, and sacrificing the whole.
@@igooog Perhaps, but I am kinda interested what would happen if the best part of Magnus which is currently a part of Janus (Revuel Arvida) joined back with the rest of him. Would there be a struggle between light and dark? Kinda why Magnus is one of my favorites cause of the myriad ways he can go.
We just need to install a text to speech device and have the ultramarines deliver Magnus to the throne room in a box while under the supervision of the Custodes' Captain-General
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Love you always use the old lore for the Necrons where they awoke from their slumber still slaves to the C'tan and wanting to harvest the galaxy to feed their hungry gods. I do prefer the newer lore to be honest. I know. THE SHEER HERESY!! But the idea they rebelled against the C'tan at the end of the War in Heaven and were so battered and beaten they couldn't survive the hellish warp infested galaxy in the aftermath they had to sleep for eons so the galaxy could heal. Is a much better plot point. And The Slient King destroyed the command protocols so that what was left of the broken minds of the Necron could be somewhat "alive" rather than obedient automatons. Lead to some very interesting and epic stories later down the years. Besides the shitey writing of GW where they can't make up their minds of these guys will be robots or undead soul broken race trying regain their lost glories and for some their lost "humanity" (Necrontyr-ity sounded too weird lol)
So if theh Emperor is reincarnated and a whole new being is formed different from the previous authors depictions, could you say its the Emperors new groove?
The new Emperor is the distilled spirit of humanity- Kronk. Fighting against the darkness, and with the promise that evil will receive their just punishment from above as he yeets the Phalanx down onto Abaddon
Honestly given what he is up to on the throne. I wouldn't expect him to do anything more that he is currently doing. Holding back a demonic incursion while being a warp navigation tool, and projection of his warp will. The idea that he had his body back in living form, doesn't suddenly make it possible for him to personally lead armies.
Appreciated the comprehensiveness of the speculation. That's what i like about Luetin09 and why i think most other channels are boring for just reading the wiki
I figure that a being of the Emperor's psychic potency, being persistently immersed in the Warp, battling Chaos directly, while also having trillions of worshippers as the protector of humanity from Chaos, could have converted the man into the legend. Have the Emperor gain true apotheosis with the death of his mortal form, while the Chaos Gods actually legitimately cooperate for once against a foe that could genuinely threaten them. Meanwhile, the tyrannids, the Tau, and the various legacies of the Old Ones threaten to wipe out both sides. It would be a transition to a new kind of status quo of unending war. It would also be a kind of mashup of 40k and 30k, and much as I like 30k, I feel like 40k is best on its own.
for a video that was an hour and two minutes long it felt more like 3 hours, you love to drone on you are truly in love with the sound of your own voice!
so my personal theory on the meta of the 'starchild' is that GW spread the seeds of senseis and the starchild as a sort of alpha version of 40kEndTimes with an age of sigmar-style narrative following it. after the beta version, in WHFantasy and the negative reception, GW course-corrected 40k to stay what it was, making the birth of the emperor chaos god as the big looming end. no idea what they want to do now - I'd guess keep 40k running as it is just with all the most popular characters, eg. primarchs returning. thus in this framework the emperor or star child 'awakening' would utterly destroy the known multiverse of realspace and the warp existing in a sort of harmony, creating a pseudo-age of sigmar-like world of fractured realms. the problem with theory-crafting in 40k is always that the narrativa alone does not suffice. the meta-analysis will be needed when theory-crafting future canon. GW will probably never pull a second end-times, a second AoS debacle, so whatever they want to asspull this time will be future canon. primaris were made in-lieu of stormcast eternals change my mind.
Smart thing is to take a page from the mcu pre Endgame. Gradually bring in each primarch, the silent king, awaken the necrons, birth ynnead, introduce several planetary-mass tyranid fleets approaching terra, increase the number of saints, produce a new ork waagh with pseudo krorks increasing to krorks as the numbers grow to a quintillion, elaborate on the radical inquisition factions that are trying to make the emperor reincarnate, grow space Marine chapters once again to billions strong legions, and converge everything to a point where the golden throne fails and in the intervening time between the failure of the astronomicon and the return of the emperor, all the factions converge on Sol. Hell, even the dark Eldar could try to worship ynnead or the emperor in an attempt to raise up an opponent to slaanesh which will free them from the soul drain. Bring it all together and bam. Big E comes back in the last moment.
I am more for the Emperor achieving apotheosis path. It’s payoff for the saints stuff and would also connect more to the Watchers and their anti warp abilities. Not to mention that’s where a lot of the recent DA lore seems to be pointing. Perhaps a mix of the sensei stuff as Big E seems to be waiting for something. I also like the idea that this is a fate that he has known about from a vision and have been trying to avoid this whole time because of some dark outcome.
Personally I think the most interesting way this could play out is if the EoM splits into two entities, one reborn as a mortal psyker, and the other becomes essentially the chaos god of order. That may sound impossible but hear me out, the chaos gods are not truly chaotic, they cause chaos and devastation in the material realm but the chaos gods themselves are entirely beholden to their nature and cannot deviate from it. Even Tzeentch is consistent in that he is consistently inconsistent, if you challenged Tzeentch to remain in the same form for an entire year (a seemingly trivial task for a god) he wouldn't be able to, he is the chaos god of change and so he MUST constantly be changing. Now as the god of order this new warp entity version of the Emperor would be a great boon to the Imperium but it is ultimately a chaos god and its powers are no less ruinous than the others. So in effect the Imperium ends up being split between the new Emperor who is very much not a god and is quick to shoot down anyone worshiping him, and the God Emperor the Imperium inadvertently created that ends up running what is essentially it's own realm of chaos, one with a very gold and angelic motif. I guess the downside is that it's an all consuming faith, if you worship this God Emperor you'll gradually lose your sense of yourself until you're nothing but an instrument of the god's will, as much the same as it is with the other four.
I always took the Star Child as a warp entity born from humanities faith in big E, not big E himself. It seems silly to me that 10,000 years of worship hasn't created such a thing. It took less effort to birth Slaanesh.
My guess is that we will end up with two Emperors when the golden throne breaks, the astronomicon goes out, and earth being swallowed by a warp energy explosion. The first being, the entity that we know as the Emperor regenerates and walks the physical plain again. The second being, is the chaos god created from all the Emperor worshiping people dying similar to how slaneesh was created. Giving birth to their own idealized version from millenia of worship. A two headed eagle, one within the warp, and one without.
So... when do we get to the part where He possesses Fyador Karamazov and starts telling absoluteley ATROCIOUS dad jokes?
Come to think of it, we desperately need a lore video on Fyodor Karamazov.
@@konradcurze8176I wish there was way more than there is to talk about him.
@@wiccanthropy1956 it’s Arch Warhammer. It will be a half hour long regardless.
"Hey Fryodor. We're surrounded again!"
"Where in the warp is CALDOR DREGO!"
@@jessematthews6861 Eatting stars. Cause he is the star eater.
I'm willing to entertain the idea that all the worship and sacrifices to the Emperor had those souls absorbed by his, and that he has a realm in the warp, which is where Celestine goes when she dies, and where other saints regenerate after death. Whether he didn't mean to, or planned it this way, he's gonna be a god when the chair breaks.
Honestly I am pretty sure all who die on Terra are safe from the whole eaten by warp predators fate. What happens to all those souls ... could make an interesting plot point.
Why cant the whole ecclesiarchy just made up story that soon emperor will be waking up from his slumber? If enough soul believe it strongly it can manifest right?
The sad part is according to 40k lore, a judeochristan God should have existed in the warp due to the massive worship of him
@@badape9227The worship of not even a full planet may not have been enough to keep him from being consumed by the ruinous powers.
@@badape9227 I'm pretty sure he was stomped out of existence during the Golden Age of Humanity. Cause by the time Big E is Uniting Terra there is no pre-collapse religions to be spoken of.
“Do not worry. Even when you are gone you will always be by our side. Goodbye Dominique.”
The God-Emperor Starchild to Saint Dominique and Saint Celestine upon being reborn into the Mortal realm
"OK, I'm sober now!"
And thus, Dominique’s coffin rode on the mobile war throne, by the Star Childperor’s side
@@davfree9732 'Fyodperor'.
@@davfree9732Dominique: Bloody Hell even when I am dead I can't get a day off.
@@Infernal460 your spirit gets to retire your carcass doesn't
I'm of the opinion that bringing back the Emperor would be the "End Times" of the 40k universe and I'm pretty sure that some people will understand how much if a bad idea that is.
Best story point to ever happen to Warhammer. Sadly the worst point from a gameplay/collectors perspective.
I can see it now. Humanity slowly getting wiped out and empowering E with each death. The Eldar just have a civil war. Necrons go to sleep again in a different galaxy. Tau get wiped out. Just as Chaos and Nids fight over Terra, E opens his eyes and everything ends.
Then we get a new setting a few months later.
We know the end times are coming that's been spoken about for like 20+ years now. With new media things are really ramping up. not just resetting at M41.999 as it has been forever.
That depends on the form his return takes. He could possibly come back weaker than his Heresy era strength. Then he would have to recover, save his sons from the Chaos gods, bring back the dead ones(as was mentioned by Malcador) and complete the plan. A galaxy scale redemption scheme.
I'm sorry best thing to ever happen in a story point perspective????
If the Emperor retains his memories every time he reincarnates (as he has apparently done throughout history, living many lives influencing mankind etc) then depending on whether this was all according to plan, then he will either do a little smile and say right lets finish the fight halo 3 theme here, or if this wasn't all part of the plan he will proceed to carry out a shit kicking of very literal biblical proportions. Remember how mad Guilliman was when he woke up? Just imagine how angry big E is gonna be when he sees half a million worlds which are essentially just giant churches to him.
XD and the ones that are now smoking dust balls, covered in tyrnaids, or worse.
Half-a-million glass planets extra.he will be that piss off
@TheFatalcrest he'll be less passed about that, the church thing was a big no no
It depends.
Big E was big against Religion because he truly believed Science and Atheism was the only was to beat chaos.
But The Aethiest Primarchs fell to chaos Very Fast. Hell most Ecclisiarch Imperial Guardsmen are able to Withstand chaos better than a 30k space marine.
Also Big E can’t get rid of his Divinity. It was affecting him during the Great Crusade and he was already manifesting Saints, Anti-Warp Faith powers and Legions of the Damned. He can’t Get Rid of it anymore because it’s a permanent part of his soul.
Most likely he will pull a Lion El’Johnson be a little grumpy but Live with his Divinity because he knows it’s the only way to protect mankind
that entirely depends on what games workshop wants big E to be nowadays.
he could be thetragic, strict but misled father-figure, that fell due to his own folly when it comes to faith - as he was written by 20yo nerds back in the 80s
he could be an unironic sigmar-like god figure, to continue the spirit of the parody
he could be the 5th chaos god of order, a tyrannical imperator figure in the ultimate endgame of the 80s
who knows - I just hope GW doesn't awaken him just yet.
I like the idea that he is making an heir to the empire. The emporer is implanting his soul into a body somewhere where he is capable of growing up again as a new child. A child capable of commanding the empire in its darkest hour to win out
Was kinda hinted at in the Dark Imperium series, where Robot Ghoullyman caps it all off by telling a dying man who lived to serve him that everything he believed in was nothing but lies, mist and ashes.
So messages to dad 40k fanfic
I like to think there are two Emperors at this point, the original "real" Emperor who led the Great Crusade and has been sat near dead on the Golden Throne for 10 millenia, and the God Emperor warp entity that the Imperium has been creating via their worship for those 10 millennia.
100% agree. The golden deity Lorgar worshipped wasn't his dad, it was the "God Emperor" in the warp.
@@ArtemisarrowzzI think you kinda missed OP's idea lol
I still love the joke that The Emperor is "Ten Shamans in a Trenchcoat".
If you read the Leviathan book Confessor Thurgan thought he saw the image of a golden figure who would martyr him and take him to be at his side.
Turned out to be the Norn Emissary, the Confessor became tyranid nosh.
Inb4 Big E was a genestealer the whole time
The Emperor coming back and the Star Child also being a thing has so much potential. The Reborn Emperor could stomp Chaos into almost non existence by sheer brutality saving humanity but dooming it in another way. Then you can have to the followers of the Star Child trying to get the Star Child and the Reborn Emperor to fuse to prevent some calamity.
it would have even more potential if the clarity of the star child being the emperor reborn would be put into question, giving potential to a schism in the imperial cult
@@berndlauert8179 That would be my assumption, I could easily see the Order of the Argent Shroud and Sacred Roses sideling with the Star Child over the Reborn Emperor. I will say for storytelling reasons it would be better if the Star Child was actually born to a woman like classic Emperor.
The Emperor knows that his true sons are in the warp. His Imperium has long disappeared.
Pushes emperor and starchild into Fusion
* a light flash and suddenly a bunch of confused shamans apear*
@@crewie94 also him dealing with the imperium politics that forced worship, if i recall Big E did not want to be worshipped as a god, but honoured as a man
so if he were to wake up i imagine a giant explosion just levelling the palace on Terra, then just going full doomguy on Chaos entities
Interesting idea that all of Eldar hopes would rest on a human god. It would explain Eldrad's schemes and dickery. It would also be beautifully ironic, especially if it turns out that the whole ynnari nonsense is just Big E's side project. Just imagine the knife ear reaction upon learning that.
I don't want to, it might mean the Eldar attempt diplomacy again.
@igooog ah yes, the vaunted "Eldar diplomacy" because when a race of arrogant knife ear space jypsys invade the throne room of your leader and attempt to kill his guards, you're in for a fuckin party. 😅
last time they sent banshees. I Doubt it wont be striking scorpions this time.
It’d be like the Bretonian thing in Fantasy, but in reverse.
Pancreasnowork would have an aneurysm
Putting a Text-To-Speech-Device in Big E's chair sounds more and more like something someone should have come up with by now.
If the Emperor is sending the saints and the legion of the damned, I wonder if he is only consciously commanding them during times of humanity's greater outcries of despair. Being woken for moments to send his "daemons" where they are needed.
Naah. His power works on instinct. His mind is still on the throne in pain. He feels the need of those who call his name and sends them based on that. No higher reasoning. Remember he had to put immense effort into saving G-man.
They aren't demons the demons are only of chaos. The saints & legon are imperial angels
@@Ghastly_Grinner Daemons aren't necessarily evil. Remember all strong emotions can manifest in the warp. As such, there's no difference between a demon and an angel when it comes to warp entities.
A funny thing about the Astartes being taken away from the Emperor's personal and primary achievements is that it's actually return to day one, as the original coverage of the Astartes process was framed as some of the Emperor's scientists going over their results. In a wider sense, he may be unfathomably superhuman, but the other Perpetuals were no slouches either and there's been so much gene-modding caked on that vaguely comparable absurd geniuses can emerge at random, and he cannot wipe his ass with causality, so Neoth could be stuck reserving his incredible brainpower for military planning and governance to keep the foundational efforts on track, leaving everything he could get away with to others for the sake of making sure that food supplies don't fall through and work-crews are at high efficiency.
This then introduces a complication on his return: He can't actually manage the modern Imperium to the same degree. So outsource, outsource, outsource, desperately cycle corruption, purge the everliving crap out of departmental rivalries to bring down the friction, and generally LOOK like a continuous flawless wrecking ball but in reality JUST barely pull the Imperium out of its death-spiral because he may be the most capable man in the galaxy, but it's still bigger than him.
I’ve always enjoyed the idea of the Sensei purely because they are, at the core, a wildcard for the setting. They could very well destroy the imperium or resurrect the emperor. That and we need more stuff that takes the focus away from Space Marines.
I mean, the Sensei also make sense because... I don't believe for a minute that Emps lived for multiple tens of thousands of years and never got laid. It would eventually happen. And I could see those offspring being immortal (but not perpetuals) themselves. The part I don't get is how the Sensei are all supposed to blanks... It doesn't make much sense as to why that would happen.
It's one of those things in Warhammer 40K where I love the idea of it, but its execution is... lacking. It could've been handled so, so much better. And... have a less cringy name.
@@matchesburn Are they blanks? I read very little of them (on a wiki somewhere, like years ago) but I thought it was the opposite, they're psykers who have such talent with the warp, they essentially can keep it from back firing on them/avoiud side effects?
GW is slowly bringing the Primarchs into play to do exactly that.
My only hope is that we see some kind of 41st (42nd) millennium fall to chaos of another primarch, would do a lot to spice up the setting especially after the last few years of endless Imperium whitepills.
Honestly I could almost see Dorn returning and just becoming an even more pissed off and vengeful version of Perturabo.
@@igooogon that note.... a daemon machine super-dreadnought (but not a soul-sold daemon prince) perturabo returning to further his schemes with Vashtorr would be a great foil for dorn.
@@matchesburn The do need a bit of rewrite, but then working as something akin to the Alpha Legion would be such a cool thing to see. Especially if it we put them head to head against Inquisition.
I want to see the alternative timeline where Peturabo was the one Big E sent to tard wrangle Lorgar that would be interesting
Horus. The Emperor literally created him to be the leader of the Primarchs, and he has that fatherly manner literally built into him.
Russ. Let's not take any chances here.
@@HengerR Russ let the big baddie get away when it mattered most, meanwhile Perturabo chased a demon primarch into a goddamn black hole
Granted he became one himself afterwards but come on, Russ don't got the balls for that
@@igooogDon't compare Russ's devotion to duty to Perturabo's autistic levels of OCD.
Perturabo should have been Warminster, and horus should have been the one rectifying the rectal regression that is lorgar. Dorn maintains his position as regeant of Terra handling home defenses, whilst Magnus should have been put on the throne directly after Nikea ("hey dude, I know it all seems fucked, but it's all safeguards and subterfuge to guard and hide the psyker power play that is gonna make it all worth it. Now shut up and sit down in that chair. Yes, that big gold one.") Guilliman should have been put in an executive judiciary check on the lords of Terra, not given the ability to legislate, but rather, the power to veto, and given command over the logistics implimenting those decisions levied by the lords of Terra. Russ should have been sent right out to give angry a-aron the big fight to the last drop of blood he always wanted and put down properly. Corax should have been sent to personally end psycho batman konrad. Alphegon and Omegarius should have been sent to sniff out any wriggling rebellions in fermentation, like in case there was some sort of masons like lodge of warriors forming up. Khan should have been sent with vulkan to mop up any knife ears that decided to be around long enough to be shot or stabbed. Ferris Manus and the hentai ecchi fab-lord should have been put in charge of internal intersquad training and teamwork exercises cause for fucks sake, nobody understands what squad goals are in the space marines. Lion El Johnson and sanguinius should play honor guard while secretly figuring out how to use the blood angels as a backpocket anti-legion legion. Lastly, lorgar should have been executed publicly as a specific example of what direct disobedience of the emperor's word bears in the end. Mortarion should be used to wipe up the word bearers as he would enjoy cleaning up the warp cumsplooge they became, crust lord that he is.
And malcador should go get laid.
The way you described the emperor becoming a new chaos deity upon entering the warp reminds me of Jyggalag from the Elder Scrolls Shivering Isles DLC
Warhammer 40k was a VERY different beast prior to the turn of the century.
I amuse myself by sticking to the old school beastmen lore whenever I lure anyone into playing warhammer 2nd edition rpg
A old school ruthless Emperor would be epic to see! I agree with the newer and some older lore about being not that great and make big E a push over.
for sure.
I like the idea of his finding away to ascend as a god of order, and passing the torch to his loyal sons.
Watching the loyalist primarchs have to reform the empire would be fun, and a great gimick that would take ages.
I like to think that Big E and the "God Emperor" are actually two different beings: one a top-tier psycher and the other the collective manifestation of who all people believe said psycher to be. the two of them are having a disagreement where the latter insists they are the same person and the former continuously denying the latter is "real"
That would be hilarious
God Big E: I'm literally you just as a warp god
Big E: Nuh Uh
God E:Yuh Uh
Big E:Nuh Uh
Remember when Corax first saw the Emporer? To him, he looked like a regular man at first. The Giant Golden look is probably just glamor.
I like the idea that once the emperor coalesces he'll be reborn slaanesh style and simply devour the trillions of human souls in the proverbial blast radius.
Since tyranids are drawing ever so closely to Terra itself, maybe it will also be an answer to the tyranid threat. He will just consume them as well.
Or maybe shadow in the warp will dampen the explosion, if this is how it works.
I always appreciate YOUR lore understanding over Luetins because he does moral grandstanding and his opinion on what "LORE" is TOO MUCH and this is just so refreshing after his grandstanding
Well said
Arch is also funny.
Luetin proudly proclaiming that he doesn't understand hypotheticals at fucking all automatically disqualifies him from ever being taken seriously on any topic more complex than a box without a lid or a short stick.
Luetin has trouble separating his own moral beliefs from 40k. It’s easy to believe in modern moralism when you remove the daemons, xenos, and so forth.
Imagine if a cult formed tomorrow that could pray and do rituals that summon diseased daemons to infect them with horrific diseases. They had no desire to infect non-believers, but accidents do happen, of course. We are supposed to believe people wouldn’t be screaming to have the cult oppressed, dismantled, or outright stomped out? My ass.
Yeah I don't mind when creators do that, but he does it almost to a Majorkill level. Still love him tho
I think they've coopted the idea for Ynaed. That mythos also fits pretty nicely.
*"It's not enough to not be Chaos, you must be actively Anti-Chaos."* -The Emperor, probably
The thing I've always imagined is if the star child is his compassion it could be the very cruel kind of compassion the kind that gets you labeled as a god of mercy and not the current definition of mercy the real definition the swift death to a dying enemy on the battlefield mercy the a fast death is a good death kind of mercy
About big e having sex and not breaking a woman. I’m one of the Horus heresy books it implied that he’s actually the size of an average man, but uses psychic powers to make himself look like a god
I can strangely see a scenario that functions like many fantasy books about the rise of the Starchild and how he goes through the archetypical "Hero's Journey." Here is how the scenario could go:
- In a foreseeable large conflict after the Great Rift, a child is found in a strange place on the battlefield, much like all other primarchs. His appearance might have been viewed as "a Star, blind the shadows in the warp," seen by all psychers and somehow calming them after the Chaos stress and corruption that they had.
- The child is taken after viewing omens that signal his divine connection to the Emperor, a whole repeat of the Logar situation. This is something that would alarm Rowboat Gigachad to extreme, but he doesn't know about him yet.
- The child is good, as in objectively and purely good, Disney childhood kind of good. Heretics were brought up to him and he just forgave them, and the touch of the warp was removed from them. He would be heavily inspired by Jesus Christ, and plays the part as well. Even Celestine would decend one day and bless him kind of holy.
- Robotic Gearlyshift and his brother Prisly L'Bronson finally find him and they are very much suspicious of him, like is he their father, is he their brother, or is he a new mutation that is simply a Blank Ultra+??? If he is their father, then how much does he remember. If he is their brother, would he betray them like one half of them. If a blank, can they repeat the mutation and can they allow the existence of such an individual who would be worshipped as a god. They don't know and they don't know how to handle him.
- He is too nice, as in debilitating himself kind of nice. He makes mistakes, is too trusting, and is creating all sorts of enemies within the Ecclesiarchy and the Inquisition who hate him forgiving attitude. To stack it above that, he is also no where close to the primarchs in Strength, Intelligence, or Capabilities. He is for all intent a normal child with blank powers that purifies all around him.
- Something happens and he is forced to change, become slowly a more similar to the Original pre-Neoth Emperor version, even gaining superior powers the more he removes himself from humanity and kindness, all while the two primarchs are seeing this and are both terrified that they are being replaced by an unknown version of the Emperor, perhaps an exact version that is more harsh, and saddened by the fact that for all intents a "brother" of theirs is losing all his humanity and compassion that they grew to admire somehow being drawn out of him for the sake of keeping the Imperium alive. Perhaps they even know he is their brother, but he has to sacrifice his personality for the sake of slowly allowing the Emperor to manifest in him, slowly removing him, e.g. the opposite of how Richboy Grappyhand had to stay within his armor, only to slowly remove his dependency on it.
The main idea of Grimdark is not that good things like the "Good T'au" can't exist, but that their existence is anathema to the world around them and they would slowly die unless they adapt and harden themselves, like the current "dictator T'au."
Grimdark doesn't exist in the absence of Good, but by the abolishment of it in the most horrifying and depressing manner. Queue "Evil is not the absence of Good,..." saying.
‘Robotic Gearshift’
‘Rowboat Gigachad’
Finally, someone puts some damned respect on the lad’s name
Emperor looks back at Curze. "Perhaps you were on to something"
I reckon the Emperor would still try to destroy Chaos even if his fate was linked to them out of spite and personal revenge at the very least.
Star Child? Primariwhatsit? You think its what year now? Guardsman we need to dig this trench, Cadia will not fall to Chaos!
Bruh that explains why Cadia shatters, some Cadian officer told his Deathkorps regiment to entrench itself, ubfortunately he was assasinated and due to the chaos of the situation, they entrenched too deeply and cracked the planet, someone causing abbadon to loose his arms in the process of breaking cadia, this scared the eldar into doing things again, and some space marine chads felt inspired and became gym bros, aka Primaris.
There we fixed the lore
My favourite Emperor lore has been basically binned now. The idea he's just fucking dead. A corpse on the throne. And all the imperium are still blindly jugging along not realising daddy's not coming back with the milk. Or even just the mystery. Is he still in there or is he dead. Progressing the setting was the worst thing they ever did.
I still like the idea of the Star Child being a warp entity operating as the Emperor while Big E himself is dead.
pretty much a warp reincarnation of the Emperor
Q from Star Trek
Would make far more sense, and it could be linked to the same "warp entity" that originally gave Sigmar his own authority or power, or to Ulrich or all the other "God Kings" in the whole of Warhammer.
-Big E kicks the bucket
-Star child is born
-Star child is a literal infant
-The Imperium has to stand for at least 20 years before little E can become big E again. Chaos has 20 years to do whatever the fuck they want, including doing what they can to hunt little E down.
Would be a better galaxy-shaking plotline then whatever GW is doing now.
The biggest issue that I can see with this is...what happens to the warp rift in/on Terra when the Big E reincarnates?
You want Eye Of Terror 2.0-Electric Boogaloo? This is how you get Eye Of Terror 2.0-Electric Boogaloo.
Is it big enough to cause a second eye of terror? At wost, Terra becomes a demon-world, Right
@@megaman1808It's Terra, The chaos gods would Absolutely pour an ungodly amount of warp energy into Terra.
Best case scenario, you get a maelstrom size warp storm.
Worst case, a cross split across the galaxy linking up with the cicatrix maledictum.
@@Benthesniperof8 how can a single warprift do that?
Would it create a Warp-rift/Storm.
Because we have the Citrix Maledictum Currently. If the God Emperor is Reborn it will most likely act like how Slannesh did. He will Literally Destroy a majority of Force storms.
And due to the Light of the Astronomican and how it works Earth most likely won’t fall to the same Eye of terror that occurred to the Eldar
@@megaman1808 any warprift could do that if it was just big enough.
the idea is that the concentrated warp-energies of 10'000 years of blind faith and psyker sacrifices, multiplied by the emperor openign and messing with the webway directly, amplified by the starchild basically being a warp-entity infused with all the psychic powers of the imperium, a warp-god to rival the current 4 gods, would be analogous to the birth of slaneesh.
I’ll say I always interpreted the star child as the fragment of the Emperor that he cast off when he had to kill Horus, the one that represented his compassion and love, always seemed more narratively potent and dramatic to me.
Never mind I just reached the point in the video where Arch says he hates it, I still think it and that ur wrong bro.
(Jk think what you want still good video)
“You’re mum gay”
*instantly loses argument and spontaneously combusts*
I feel like people forget compassion can be very very heavy handed in it's actions and be seen very cruel despite the end results being very beneficial to all
I mean he could destroy Mars and remake all technology in his image and that seems like a nightmare but to some planets this would be a Imperial blessing
I've always been a fan of the Secret Heresy theory: In that final battle between the Emperor and Horus.... Horus Won.
The Emperor was unable to strike down his beloved son, and though he was wounded, Horus slew his father. As the Emperor planned. We know the Emperor made some kind of deal with the chaos gods in order to create the Primarchs. Letting his son kill him was his key to shafting them and never paying the bill. Meanwhile, Horus had also cut a deal with the Ruinous Powers. Him taking his Father's place on the throne denied the chaos gods their final prize. He used his own sorcery to create an illusion over himself even his brothers couldn't see through.
He'd stolen their blessings and with the endless fuel of thousands of psykers, Horus became strong enough to stop them from taking back their gifts. Horus sits on the throne, and powers the astronomicon. He is not as eternal as his father was, so his body decays but still he lives and slowly ascends towards godhood, intending to eclipse his father in every way. That's why the remaining Chaos legions call him THE FALSE EMPEROR. They all know that the original is gone, and that their former leader betrayed them all for his own glory and power.
That's why the modern Imperium looks nothing like the atheist paradise the Emperor wanted. That's why everything is going wrong. Because the wrong man took the throne.
This is amazing!
“Atheist paradise”
...who’s gonna tell him
What? The emperor's original plan was for all humans in the galaxy to unite in a completely atheistic representative democracy. He hated being deified and punished one of his sons for starting a religion that worshipped him.@@toastle8005
Now we have the Dark King reveal at the 11th hour. Some sort of 5th Chaos god who has to be, and will be whomever takes up the crown, and it looks like the Emperor is doing so to stop anyone else; and he is stalling the process as long as possible.
No matter what happens, we can be assured that none of this was planned out at the beginning by GW and that the setting has been going on FAR longer than any of the creators had thought
Am I the only one who, at this point would love to see Arch trying to plunge and rationalize Mage: The Ascension lore with his usual metaphysical zeal? 😂
Nice I always wanted to watch someone go crazy in real-time
the Emp being too soft is a perspective that sort of answers a lot in the current HH books that i've long since wondered about and never considered as an option. him returning with a new found conviction would definitely be interesting to see too, especially if pushed to the point of it being a near fatal fault that could threaten that which he seeks to protect.
40K is a setting in which mankind is perpetually in its twilight hour. Doing whatever it takes to survive. Or to put it in goose terms. Peace was never an option.
part of me loves the concept... Part of me is horribly afraid they will completely and totally screw it up.
Considering how they were character assassinating Big E over the last couple years, you can bet they mess it up to some degree either way.
Hell i expect the whole thing to backfire, big E die and Erda somehow come back to life. I know Erebus finished her off for good (only good he ever did frankly) but i wouldnt put it past GW to undo soul death just because.
Honestly I kind of like the idea Luetin pitched, that Big E's resurrection would be a mirror of Slaanesh's birth. Unlike the Sultan of Somnia, however, I would much prefer that it is ultimately a great boon to humanity.
@@igooog It would be interesting to see an inverse of the Slaanesh event, but I highly doubt they would do something that would give Humanity such an 'advantage'. Humanity pretty much is already a dominate force in the galaxy, the only reason they haven't "won" it all is the Heresy screwed it all up, forcing a pseudo-stalemate. If they did something along those lines, they'd have to create some unknown force, or pump up an existing one to counter Humanities new found power. Can't sell figurines if the Xeno extermination is complete after all....
@@Psychoangel-d23 Well if the Horus Heresy is anything to base the 'future' prospects on, then chances he will just die and be replaced by a Woman. I'm still waiting for the "LAST" novel to come out so we can see Ollanius Pius's Heroic, legendary, amazing, personification of humanities will power, sacrifice be replaced with "insert random new female character" who will do it better and probably single handled beat Horus with feelings or some shit like that... The heresy novels have already done major damage to Big E's story, and more or less all of his lore has been replaced with "he stole that from a woman who would have done it better". The entire siege of Terra has been a mixture of a few interesting stories, with a fuck ton of filler, and new characters who feel like they have been created to fill a quota.
@@TheFeyd Normally i´d say "dont jinx it" but... You know what? bring it, burn it all to the ground at this point. They managed to make every faction look like incompetent morons by character assassinating one key figure, why not go all the way.
Warhammer 42K - rebirth of Sickmar, all your armies is useless and not being supported, Eldars - EL-Eldary, Orruks - Orrurruks, and ofc Space MMArineds in place of Space Marines.
Glory to Dominic, the man who guided the star child to his destiny
Surely BIG Es psykic potency couldn't be contained in a mortal form any more? There's got to be some kind of split between him and the star child if he's going to have a physical presence.
In regards to the big E's leniency to the primarchs. By all accounts he had to obliterate two of them already and the fact that he didn't do the same when they rebelled might show how far the two unnamed ones had fallen or mutated. I don't know if big E knew of their fall to chaos or if he didn't find out until he directly confronted Horus.
Inquisitors: *sacrifice the Sensei*
Grey Knights just after: hey, we’re here to commit the Terminus Protocol…
I've always thought of the Emperor as being very similar to the Byzantine Emperor Justinian. A highly intelligent and talented ruler whose main strength was knowing which of his subordinates was right for a specific task and giving them the resources to accomplish it
In terms of the Star Child... I got the impression that it IS the Emperor, from a certain point of view. Rather like the Christian Trinity, the Star Child is an embodied version of his consciousness, his 'body' sits upon the golden throne, and his... fragmented soul is spread across the warp, trying to reassemble itself and is getting better over time (for example, when Guilliman returns and Big E is able to pull himself together and talk to his son - but he couldn't have done that a few thousand years ago as he was too fragmented).
This conception allows almost everything you discussed to be true and plausible.
Yeah, surely they are not going to f**k this up, like when they made the Emperor's wife the mastermind behind his victories. Surely, it will be fine!
"slavesayswhat"
-Asdrubael Vect, Archon of the Black Heart
Arch, it's already been established that Warp Entities LOVE worship, because it's far and away the most potent form of energy-giving, yes? Well, while Khorne et al might have a more widespread source of fuel (anger, lust, etc), nobody has anywhere near the amount of ORGANISED religion that Big E does. Everyone gets angry, yes, but there aren't a lot of people who explicitly organise Khornate worship. The Emprah, on the other hand, has literal tens of billions of people praying to him and explicitly worshipping him every single day. I can absolutely believe that he would be able to stand up to the other 4 despite having a technically-smaller powerbase.
I will say, I really do enjoy the old lore that the Emperor was the result of humanity's ancient shamans committing mass suicide to merge themselves into one consciousness and one being. It makes his purpose seem ... grander than if he was just some uber powerful psyker. It would also go a ways towards explaining the lack of psykers until Long Night. In essence, all of humanity would have merged its psychic potential into one being.
The idea of a young Emperor not really knowing what to do with his abilities and how he should go about his duty of helping Mankind is a fascinating one.
In regard to the Star Child, I like the theory that he is a large fragment of the Emperor's remaining soul. In reality, the Emperor of the 41st Millennium is likely more God than Man. It seems likely that the Golden Throne would cause his actual soul to continuously splinter off into the Warp out of sheer torment. What is actually maintaining the Emperor at this point is likely the Warp Entity that is the God Emperor.
If the Golden Throne were to fail, I imagine the Emperor's barely living corpse being puppetted by the God Emperor would finally be allowed to die. In dying, as a perpetual existence, he would likely be reborn through the Star Child.
Personally favorable to the idea, it's got a good mix of dark, goofy and grand
I lean towards big e and the God emperor being two separate things myself like your getting at. The post mortem worship of big e created the God emperor, if the corpse withers and rots to ash the worship will stop for the God. So he holds big e or is stuck with big e in this weird limbo. And if he was reborn it would clash with the being that is the God emperor in the warp.
the tts star child will always be the best thing of that little caldor drago stuck in the warp arc
god gw should of just told alpha hes ok cuz he used so much fun old almost forgotten lore that really helped people wanna get into old old old GW 40k lore
15:59: GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! THE PAIN!!!
I also wanna say that the tourists are THE example of how much of a wuss our modern society is. Maybe a war or two might shake us back into form... I'm not sure if I'm sarcastic about that one...
“Hey! Hey Fyodor! Have a happy new year, pal...”
The Last words of Saint Dominique the Herald of the Starchild the most faithful of the God-Emperors servants
I hold the idea that malcador was the actual human super psych emperor using the prototype he forged in the warp to make his primarchs from. A super puppet meant to be his political face while he hid in plain sight
In sort of like a machine spirit it just obtained sentience one day
This is the worst take ever
Malcador kinda burned himself to a crisp on the throne trying to keep the webway shut for a few minutes
@@igooog i know hence the tragedy of the emperor is two fold, as magnus was meant to power the throne in shifts with the god emperor while malcador was to run the inquisition. chaos definitely messed the grand plan up. its a theory. i've been pondering just how a 10ft human would remain secret for many thousands of years.
I mean..the imperium has the option to be nice.
To their fellow man that is.
“He’s not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy.”
I am pretty sure TTS covered the Emperor's love life in one episode, where he was very surprised exacyl by the fact that any of his mating partners survived the ordeal. X)
And threw an absolute shut fit of Warp storms when he learn what had happened to said offspring.
I mean, he never MEANT to hurt them, but anatomy dictated otherwise.
@flyboy6392 because the Inquistion is the most well-meaning, honest, and merciful band of merry misfits to have ever existed.
@@michelveilleux123 I meant Big E and his *ahem* Big E
@flyboy6392 ah. Granted, both seem alike for what you said.
Oh man, how cool would it be if GW had Vashtorr infect the golden throne and he literally stands up the emperor's corpse like "yes, hello, I am god". That would be too perfect, to see humanity finally fall to the worship of a new chaos god. Maybe they'd even bring back the star child as a "new emperor", have all the remaining primarchs do the shaman mass suicide thing and reset the story
The cute, almost WALL-E-like look of Vashtorr in some pieces and the wording of “hello, yes, I am god” has for some reason got this very polite and honest tone of voice in my head 😅 just stands up and politely shakes a very puzzled custodian’s hand like a Wallace and Gromit character.
Driving in Italy through the lands of the emperors of old while listening. you made the time fly!
'Dad's coming back and he's brought his belt' vibes from the idea of the Emperor coming back to the modern day Imperium.
I don't think compassion and love is some sort of weakness honestly I'd say the lack of compassion is what brought the Imperium to the spot where it is
Given how GW's treated Big E in the Horus Heresy as of late making him less and less special I don't want him coming back, they've done enough damage to him.
I first wanna see more primarch action happen befor big E stands up from the chair.
Oh the emperor has been mortally wounded.
IT: have you tried turning him off and on again?
I always imagined "the Emperors compassion" less like Vulcan like character and more like Shinobu Sensui from Yu Yu Hakusho. Something like :" I am very compassionate person so I will slaughter you so fast you will not even register it and so completly you will never by able to return to be able to feel pain again."
Thats why erda is a perpetual so she just comes back everytime he pounds her to death
Haven't watched the video yet, but something stroke me as I was watching.
Shouldn't it be kind of cool that when the golden throne fail and the Emperor finally dies, the Star Child is born at that very moment?
The Star Child shows up in a massive flash of golden light, and descend down from the sky to see his own dead body. He turns to see all humans kneeling as if they are in the presence of God. The Emperor is confused by this, and order them to stand and treat him like a man. When he finally understand that they worship him as a God and he instinctively denies this until. Until a voice echos through the halls that say "FOOL". The corpse of the Emperor just spoke.
The Star Child turns around only to see the corpse of the Emperor rise. The corpse Emperor talks to the star child as if he is a unruly child, and calls him foolish for denying his Godhood. It turns out that the corpse of the Emperor is actually possessed by aspect of a new Chaos God. The Chaos God everyone has been worshiping all this time. A new Chaos God that has been reborn into the real world and does not fully live within the Immaterium. The Star Child finally grows tired of the discussion and attacks the corpse Emperor. However he is still just a child as of yet. Stronger, faster and much more powerful than any human has a right to be, but still just a man. The corpse Emperor, using the experience and power from the Emperors past can easily match the Star Child even if his own strength simply can't be fully utilized yet as he himself has recently been birthed into this corpse. The Star Child is only saved from death by huge effort and loss Adeptus Custodes and Roboute Guiliman himself.
This event cause a complete rift within the Imperium of Man. Every single faction has to pick a side now that the Emperor has returned. Should follow this new Emperor that came from some old prophecy that almost no one even know about? Should they follow the body they have been worshiping and kept all this time? Do they even know they will worship a chaos god? How do they know this new Emperor actually is the Emperor?
What will happen to the universe now when the Astronomican is gone? Or is it actually gone? Can the corpse Emperor keep it lit to claim he is the real Emperor?
What will all the enemies of man do while the whole Imperium is shaken down it its very core?
Just a thought here. I don't think it fit all of the established lore, but from what I have seen this seems far from the worst overreach.
Maybe Big E is gonna come back as Little e and travel to terra to finish the human webway and put Big E out of his misery without destroying the planet
Warp travel is harder nowadays so a boost to the imperium's mobility wouldn't hurt either
Big E going full "Hear me subjects of Ymir" is an amusing thought
I like the idea that the emperor is being kept alive and unable to reincarnate.
If the imperium just let's him die he'll be able to come back in his full glory and actually be able to do something.
This plot point has been brought back in the Dawn of Fire series. The book Throne of Light specifically revolves around the star child, finding the location, and attempting to seize them. Obviously it doesn’t happen in the book but they’re able to have some idea of the location. Of course whether it’s real or not is up for interpretation.
My only counterpoint is that somebody gotta keep the deamons from pouring though the web way to earth, but beyond that this is sweet
“Event crisis .199”
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“Event crisis .2000”
“SEE YOU ALL IN SUPER HELL!”
If I remember correctly from the Plague wars books then Guilliman's audience with his father showed us that the Emperor is somewhat ¨Shattered¨ or perhaps ¨scattered¨ would be better to say. It seemed like he is still there but it takes so much of him to manifest even for a moment. It is almost as if the different souls that make up the emperor is fighting for control now instead of being a true single being. Also the countless psykers that have been sacrificed to him over the millenia must surely make it harder for him to return. I have a feeling and a theory that Magnus might be a key to help the emperor coaless back into his true self again but that could only happen if Magnus was redeemed. I still see Magnus as the one Primarch that can be truly redeemed but that would involve humbling him properly and shatter Tzeentch's veil over his eyes.
Wouldn't necessarily require a redeemed Magnus. One of the coolest parts of Magnus is that his fall to chaos shattered him into shards; could be as simple as rounding up the shards and somehow binding them together with the demon boy, and sacrificing the whole.
@@igooog Perhaps, but I am kinda interested what would happen if the best part of Magnus which is currently a part of Janus (Revuel Arvida) joined back with the rest of him. Would there be a struggle between light and dark? Kinda why Magnus is one of my favorites cause of the myriad ways he can go.
We just need to install a text to speech device and have the ultramarines deliver Magnus to the throne room in a box while under the supervision of the Custodes' Captain-General
@druidofscosglen2868 SPACE WOLVES?!?!
My favourite theory is that the emperor became the god of disbelief or atheism and the irony is that he’s being worshipped is to nice to pass up on
45:30 That's a 'Kane lives!' moment right there, but on a galactic scale. Preferably, fully rendered in glorious 90s FMV technology!
Love your content man, keep it up. Was looking through your feed trying to find something I haven’t watched(which is not easy😂) and I noticed how consistent your numbers are its quite funny, there’s bigger channels out there but there no where near as consistent with views. Make me feel less weird that I am not the only watching every video and waiting for the next😂. Stay safe lads.
Nice one Arch. Keep up the good work.
Love you always use the old lore for the Necrons where they awoke from their slumber still slaves to the C'tan and wanting to harvest the galaxy to feed their hungry gods. I do prefer the newer lore to be honest. I know. THE SHEER HERESY!! But the idea they rebelled against the C'tan at the end of the War in Heaven and were so battered and beaten they couldn't survive the hellish warp infested galaxy in the aftermath they had to sleep for eons so the galaxy could heal. Is a much better plot point. And The Slient King destroyed the command protocols so that what was left of the broken minds of the Necron could be somewhat "alive" rather than obedient automatons. Lead to some very interesting and epic stories later down the years. Besides the shitey writing of GW where they can't make up their minds of these guys will be robots or undead soul broken race trying regain their lost glories and for some their lost "humanity" (Necrontyr-ity sounded too weird lol)
His video of the Necrons specifically he talks about how he prefers the newer the lore. It's an awesome video.
So if theh Emperor is reincarnated and a whole new being is formed different from the previous authors depictions, could you say its the Emperors new groove?
The new Emperor is the distilled spirit of humanity- Kronk. Fighting against the darkness, and with the promise that evil will receive their just punishment from above as he yeets the Phalanx down onto Abaddon
Honestly given what he is up to on the throne. I wouldn't expect him to do anything more that he is currently doing. Holding back a demonic incursion while being a warp navigation tool, and projection of his warp will. The idea that he had his body back in living form, doesn't suddenly make it possible for him to personally lead armies.
I am all for Arch's Big E in his 'I am tired of all of you messing up!'
As authority Big E would be needed and a joy to watch.
Appreciated the comprehensiveness of the speculation. That's what i like about Luetin09 and why i think most other channels are boring for just reading the wiki
I figure that a being of the Emperor's psychic potency, being persistently immersed in the Warp, battling Chaos directly, while also having trillions of worshippers as the protector of humanity from Chaos, could have converted the man into the legend. Have the Emperor gain true apotheosis with the death of his mortal form, while the Chaos Gods actually legitimately cooperate for once against a foe that could genuinely threaten them. Meanwhile, the tyrannids, the Tau, and the various legacies of the Old Ones threaten to wipe out both sides. It would be a transition to a new kind of status quo of unending war. It would also be a kind of mashup of 40k and 30k, and much as I like 30k, I feel like 40k is best on its own.
Arch buddy you nailed it with Vulkan, the emperor running shit from his office lol
for a video that was an hour and two minutes long it felt more like 3 hours, you love to drone on you are truly in love with the sound of your own voice!
so my personal theory on the meta of the 'starchild' is that GW spread the seeds of senseis and the starchild as a sort of alpha version of 40kEndTimes with an age of sigmar-style narrative following it. after the beta version, in WHFantasy and the negative reception, GW course-corrected 40k to stay what it was, making the birth of the emperor chaos god as the big looming end. no idea what they want to do now - I'd guess keep 40k running as it is just with all the most popular characters, eg. primarchs returning.
thus in this framework the emperor or star child 'awakening' would utterly destroy the known multiverse of realspace and the warp existing in a sort of harmony, creating a pseudo-age of sigmar-like world of fractured realms.
the problem with theory-crafting in 40k is always that the narrativa alone does not suffice.
the meta-analysis will be needed when theory-crafting future canon.
GW will probably never pull a second end-times, a second AoS debacle, so whatever they want to asspull this time will be future canon.
primaris were made in-lieu of stormcast eternals
change my mind.
Smart thing is to take a page from the mcu pre Endgame. Gradually bring in each primarch, the silent king, awaken the necrons, birth ynnead, introduce several planetary-mass tyranid fleets approaching terra, increase the number of saints, produce a new ork waagh with pseudo krorks increasing to krorks as the numbers grow to a quintillion, elaborate on the radical inquisition factions that are trying to make the emperor reincarnate, grow space Marine chapters once again to billions strong legions, and converge everything to a point where the golden throne fails and in the intervening time between the failure of the astronomicon and the return of the emperor, all the factions converge on Sol. Hell, even the dark Eldar could try to worship ynnead or the emperor in an attempt to raise up an opponent to slaanesh which will free them from the soul drain. Bring it all together and bam. Big E comes back in the last moment.
I am more for the Emperor achieving apotheosis path. It’s payoff for the saints stuff and would also connect more to the Watchers and their anti warp abilities. Not to mention that’s where a lot of the recent DA lore seems to be pointing. Perhaps a mix of the sensei stuff as Big E seems to be waiting for something.
I also like the idea that this is a fate that he has known about from a vision and have been trying to avoid this whole time because of some dark outcome.
If/when the Emperor returns, expect a LOT of screaming coming from the Ecclesiarchy's office shortly after
At first it´ll be ecstasy that´ll make slaanesh cream her panties...
Then it´ll result in conflict that will make khorne cheer in joy.
Big E's greatest feat: convincing everyone that breaking his chair by sitting in it too long means he's become a god
Personally I think the most interesting way this could play out is if the EoM splits into two entities, one reborn as a mortal psyker, and the other becomes essentially the chaos god of order. That may sound impossible but hear me out, the chaos gods are not truly chaotic, they cause chaos and devastation in the material realm but the chaos gods themselves are entirely beholden to their nature and cannot deviate from it. Even Tzeentch is consistent in that he is consistently inconsistent, if you challenged Tzeentch to remain in the same form for an entire year (a seemingly trivial task for a god) he wouldn't be able to, he is the chaos god of change and so he MUST constantly be changing. Now as the god of order this new warp entity version of the Emperor would be a great boon to the Imperium but it is ultimately a chaos god and its powers are no less ruinous than the others. So in effect the Imperium ends up being split between the new Emperor who is very much not a god and is quick to shoot down anyone worshiping him, and the God Emperor the Imperium inadvertently created that ends up running what is essentially it's own realm of chaos, one with a very gold and angelic motif. I guess the downside is that it's an all consuming faith, if you worship this God Emperor you'll gradually lose your sense of yourself until you're nothing but an instrument of the god's will, as much the same as it is with the other four.
I always took the Star Child as a warp entity born from humanities faith in big E, not big E himself.
It seems silly to me that 10,000 years of worship hasn't created such a thing.
It took less effort to birth Slaanesh.
As long as his first words upon reincarnating/returning are "It's about fucking time!" I'll be satisfied.
He will have to pee a millennium first.
Agreed.
I like the idea of an Emperor off the leash. Good guy, bad guy, evil guy, grey guy: He's the voice of humanity.. making a list and checking names.
My guess is that we will end up with two Emperors when the golden throne breaks, the astronomicon goes out, and earth being swallowed by a warp energy explosion.
The first being, the entity that we know as the Emperor regenerates and walks the physical plain again.
The second being, is the chaos god created from all the Emperor worshiping people dying similar to how slaneesh was created. Giving birth to their own idealized version from millenia of worship.
A two headed eagle, one within the warp, and one without.
The God Emperor VS The Emperor 40k Civil War would be an insanely good plot line that we will never get 😔