It’s funny listening to people talk sectional density with bullets like Berger /hornady eldx makes . Sectional density means nothing with bullets that blow to pieces . It only matters with bullets that are bonded or monometal . If your bullet blows apart on impact , you have no sectional density . I shoot a 35 whelen with 200 grain barns , they penetrate through and through on elk or they hang up in the hide on the far side . I’ve seen them shot with eldx claiming higher sectional density and it doesn’t even touch the ribs on the other side.
👨🎓 That is Because As Soon As The Bullet Strikes, It Begins To Deform Immediately! Only Those Bullets That Are Bonded or Copper Solids (Mono-Metal) Keep Their Shape (Sectional Density)! 👨🏫
@jasonshults368 Funny...But, I Don't Use Fragmenting, Non-Bonded Bullets To Hunt With! After Some 50 Years of Hunting, A "Good Elk Hunter" KNOWS That You Want Complete Penetration of The Elk To Collapse The Lungs and/or The Ability To Pass Completely Through Both Shoulders! The ELD-X Typically Keeps About 30% of It's Weight, After Core Jacket Seperation and ISN'T a "Good Bullet" For Elk Hunting! My Family Guides For Elk and I Used To Work For a WORLD Famous One and I Am Also An Engineer (So, I Know What Works "Properly" and What Doesn't)! CASE CLOSED! 👨⚖️
@@jasonshults368 For Reference: Young Jim Harmer (Of Backfire TV) Recently Tellls of a Bison Hunt in Which a Cow Bison Was Shot 4 Times in The Head With a 225 Grain ELD-X From a 300 prc and Wouldn't Go Down! Had That Been a Grizzly Bear Instead, As You Often Find In The Back Country For Elk Hunting, He Would Have Been Dead! CLASS DISMISSED! 👨⚖️
@@Paul-q3m7kIn The Last 2 Days Alone, I Have Read About Another 10 Bear Attacks Here Out West! And, In My State, That Just Included a 3 Year Old Girl Getting Dragged Out of Her Camping Tent, a Man Mauled While Picking Berries, and a Jogger Being Attacked While Running a Trail! 🐻 You Had Better Be Using Bonded Bullets or Monolithic Solids, If You Want To Survive A Bear Attack! 🤕🚑 No ELD-X's and Burgers For Me! 🍔🍽🐻
I think maybe you could further explain wind and bullets...the drag of the bullet causes drift...etc..maybe extrapolation could be good. And angles...shooting with or against gravity reduces it's effect.....or thd...true horizontal distance...which wasn't mentioned... However.... interesting...
Thank you for the information. I am eating this up. Quick question, some years ago I was big into trap shooting. I live in New England, and shot all year. I found in my loading that I had to increase my powder charge quite a bit in winter compared to summer, in order to get the same basic shot pattern. I thought it was the powder that lost something when cold compared to hot. Was it the atmosphere instead of the powder? or a combination?
I would not hunt if i felt compelled to carry a rangefinder. Many years of bowhunting have made long shots of no interest to me. I enjoy the hunt, dont have to carry my phone , computer , or a note book to have a wonderful hunt.
New England woods deer hunter here. The longest shot I ever took on a deer was 55 paces. The shortest shot was around 8 1/2 paces. Even with my .50 cal TC Hawken using a low charge of 65 grains of FFG I never needed a range finder. I used the low charge because of how much more accurate it shot when not pushing the maxi-ball to maximum. And at 370 grains it chugs right though the deer no matter what bones it hits.
🤠 I'll Say It Again: At The Elevations That I Hunt Elk (10,000 ft Average), My 30-06 Can Equal The Energy of a 300 WM (At Sea Level) Out To 500 Yards! I Simply Don't Need Anything "More"! 👨⚖️
@@phild9813 Yes, But I've Owned Bigger Wildcat 30 Calibers Than the 30-378 WBY and They Don't Kill Any Faster Than The 30-06! They Are Just Harder To Shoot More Accurately! The 30-06 Will Do Anything You Want Out To 500 Yards! If You Can't Handle That Recoil, Then You Have The 270 and 280 AI - Both of Which I Personally Prefer For Shot Placement! THE LESSON HERE IS NO MAGNUM NECESSARY! 🤑
@mikerobinson6606 Experience is the Best Teacher! Everyone Has Their "Theories", But Have They Been Tested and Proven True? 🤔 The 30-06 Has Stood The Test of Time For a Reason! 🫡
@@mikerobinson6606 So, Why Would Anyone Want To Carry Around a Heavier Rifle, That Kicks Harder, Costs More To Shoot, and Has a Cumbersome 26" Barrel When a 22" Barreled 30-06 (280 AI or 270) Will Get The Job Done? 🤪 Beats Me? 😂
Just curious, since pushing the same bullet makes it more sensitive to accuracy robbing issues, does that mean the 6.5 creedmoor will be inherently more accurate than a 6.5 PRC? Long range hunting seems to be a tricky balance of accuracy and long range energy. If you shoot the creedmoor, you give up some energy. If you shoot a 7mm rem mag, you have plenty of energy out to 600+, but you give up accuracy. Then accuracy becomes the bottleneck. Where's the sweet spot of enough energy and enough accuracy for 600+ shots?
Pushing the same bullet to different speeds doesn't affect accuracy all that much. I've found that in well built rifles, a 6.5 Creedmoor and a 6.5 PRC are often equal in accuracy.
@@BackcountryHuntingPodcast Just wondering what he was referring to, such as the increased blast out of the muzzle having more potential to hit the back of the bullet and disrupt it would also affect the PRC cartridges especially since the creedmoor and the 6.5 PRC are pushing the same bullet. Or do these only affect non hornady cartridges? LOL. Long range hunting seems like a tricky balance between getting enough energy out of a cartridge, and then accuracy. It seems like they are somewhat conflicting characteristics. I am trying to decide whether to keep my 7mag which has plenty of energy for long range deer and elk hunting, but accuracy (1.5-2.0MOA) becomes the bottleneck especially for deer past 500 yds. Debating dropping to the 6.5 PRC which probably is more accurate, but less energy (for elk).
@@elkhuntr2816the prc isn’t an outrageous over bore situation, it’s still within an efficient range which is why the cartridge sizes were picked. If they doubled the length and thus the powder charge then yes it would be to a point to heightened sensitivity, but that’s why they didn’t do that.
lol yall should be politicians. I can run my 28 nosler easy and beat my 7 prc it’s not even close. With the 7 prc you have to have RL26 to get anywhere close to the advertised fps. Tell us how much better the more efficient cartridges are. SMH
You do not HAVE to use RL26 to get anywhere near 3,000fps. Quite a few powders and bullets will get you there. Go watch Little Crow Gun Works videos covering the relevant 7’s on this topic of reloading…. 🤔🤣
@IR8GRANDSRT8 wrong! U must believe everything u hear. Hornady said in several podcasts that RL26 is the only onecthat gives the 3000+ fps velocity in 7prc.
@@REDNECKROOTS you should try some N570 or H4831, RL26 is not the only powder to achieve 3,000fps. But believe what you will. Weatherby easily achieved velocities with their 7PRC loads as well, but ok.
@@REDNECKROOTS weird, Hornady’s load data states otherwise on a variety of powders. I know all about Hornady’s use and lack of RL26, no need to state false hoods. static.hornady.media/site/hornady/files/load-data/7mm-prc.pdf
@@REDNECKROOTS also you do realize a 28 Nos has considerably larger powder charge too, right? Nosler cartridges are designed to be very fast. The 7 PRC was never intended to compete in speed. 🤣
Woke joke! I hate hornady now. There not fighting for hunters rights. They care about $ only. They flat out lie to there consumers. Yea hornady is a joke, and not a good 1 either
Yea they certainly have done some disappointing dumb shit, but I do enjoy the information they make public that many other companies treat as a trade secret.
It’s funny listening to people talk sectional density with bullets like Berger /hornady eldx makes . Sectional density means nothing with bullets that blow to pieces . It only matters with bullets that are bonded or monometal . If your bullet blows apart on impact , you have no sectional density .
I shoot a 35 whelen with 200 grain barns , they penetrate through and through on elk or they hang up in the hide on the far side . I’ve seen them shot with eldx claiming higher sectional density and it doesn’t even touch the ribs on the other side.
👨🎓 That is Because As Soon As The Bullet Strikes, It Begins To Deform Immediately! Only Those Bullets That Are Bonded or Copper Solids (Mono-Metal) Keep Their Shape (Sectional Density)! 👨🏫
At what point in the cutting-up of the elk did you decide the ELDX had failed?
@jasonshults368 Funny...But, I Don't Use Fragmenting, Non-Bonded Bullets To Hunt With! After Some 50 Years of Hunting, A "Good Elk Hunter" KNOWS That You Want Complete Penetration of The Elk To Collapse The Lungs and/or The Ability To Pass Completely Through Both Shoulders! The ELD-X Typically Keeps About 30% of It's Weight, After Core Jacket Seperation and ISN'T a "Good Bullet" For Elk Hunting! My Family Guides For Elk and I Used To Work For a WORLD Famous One and I Am Also An Engineer (So, I Know What Works "Properly" and What Doesn't)! CASE CLOSED! 👨⚖️
@@jasonshults368 For Reference: Young Jim Harmer (Of Backfire TV) Recently Tellls of a Bison Hunt in Which a Cow Bison Was Shot 4 Times in The Head With a 225 Grain ELD-X From a 300 prc and Wouldn't Go Down! Had That Been a Grizzly Bear Instead, As You Often Find In The Back Country For Elk Hunting, He Would Have Been Dead! CLASS DISMISSED! 👨⚖️
@@Paul-q3m7kIn The Last 2 Days Alone, I Have Read About Another 10 Bear Attacks Here Out West! And, In My State, That Just Included a 3 Year Old Girl Getting Dragged Out of Her Camping Tent, a Man Mauled While Picking Berries, and a Jogger Being Attacked While Running a Trail! 🐻 You Had Better Be Using Bonded Bullets or Monolithic Solids, If You Want To Survive A Bear Attack! 🤕🚑 No ELD-X's and Burgers For Me! 🍔🍽🐻
Thx guys long time listener love it
🤠 KEEP PROMOTING THAT 280 AI!!! 😜
Hornady sure isn’t going to push the AI with their 7PRC. Hopefully everyone else does though.
We Can Only Hope! 🙏@@phild9813
Alabama has 10yards off the muzzle to big ag feilds power lines and gas lines, big timber
I think maybe you could further explain wind and bullets...the drag of the bullet causes drift...etc..maybe extrapolation could be good.
And angles...shooting with or against gravity reduces it's effect.....or thd...true horizontal distance...which wasn't mentioned...
However.... interesting...
Thank you for the information. I am eating this up.
Quick question, some years ago I was big into trap shooting. I live in New England, and shot all year. I found in my loading that I had to increase my powder charge quite a bit in winter compared to summer, in order to get the same basic shot pattern. I thought it was the powder that lost something when cold compared to hot. Was it the atmosphere instead of the powder? or a combination?
I would not hunt if i felt compelled to carry a rangefinder. Many years of bowhunting have made long shots of no interest to me. I enjoy the hunt, dont have to carry my phone , computer , or a note book to have a wonderful hunt.
Don't hunt coyotes, I see.
New England woods deer hunter here. The longest shot I ever took on a deer was 55 paces. The shortest shot was around 8 1/2 paces. Even with my .50 cal TC Hawken using a low charge of 65 grains of FFG I never needed a range finder. I used the low charge because of how much more accurate it shot when not pushing the maxi-ball to maximum. And at 370 grains it chugs right though the deer no matter what bones it hits.
Cool thanks
Any time!
Like seeing Jayden on!
🤠 I'll Say It Again: At The Elevations That I Hunt Elk (10,000 ft Average), My 30-06 Can Equal The Energy of a 300 WM (At Sea Level) Out To 500 Yards! I Simply Don't Need Anything "More"! 👨⚖️
Congrats I guess? You could shoot a 300wm at 10k and it would perform like a 30-378 at 500 yards at sea level.
@@phild9813 Yes, But I've Owned Bigger Wildcat 30 Calibers Than the 30-378 WBY and They Don't Kill Any Faster Than The 30-06! They Are Just Harder To Shoot More Accurately! The 30-06 Will Do Anything You Want Out To 500 Yards! If You Can't Handle That Recoil, Then You Have The 270 and 280 AI - Both of Which I Personally Prefer For Shot Placement! THE LESSON HERE IS NO MAGNUM NECESSARY! 🤑
@ronlowney4700 I agree.
@mikerobinson6606 Experience is the Best Teacher! Everyone Has Their "Theories", But Have They Been Tested and Proven True? 🤔 The 30-06 Has Stood The Test of Time For a Reason! 🫡
@@mikerobinson6606 So, Why Would Anyone Want To Carry Around a Heavier Rifle, That Kicks Harder, Costs More To Shoot, and Has a Cumbersome 26" Barrel When a 22" Barreled 30-06 (280 AI or 270) Will Get The Job Done? 🤪 Beats Me? 😂
Just curious, since pushing the same bullet makes it more sensitive to accuracy robbing issues, does that mean the 6.5 creedmoor will be inherently more accurate than a 6.5 PRC? Long range hunting seems to be a tricky balance of accuracy and long range energy. If you shoot the creedmoor, you give up some energy. If you shoot a 7mm rem mag, you have plenty of energy out to 600+, but you give up accuracy. Then accuracy becomes the bottleneck. Where's the sweet spot of enough energy and enough accuracy for 600+ shots?
That's not how it works.
@@jasonshults368 "That's not how it works." Thats not how what works? Explain what you mean, or what you are referring to.
Pushing the same bullet to different speeds doesn't affect accuracy all that much. I've found that in well built rifles, a 6.5 Creedmoor and a 6.5 PRC are often equal in accuracy.
@@BackcountryHuntingPodcast Just wondering what he was referring to, such as the increased blast out of the muzzle having more potential to hit the back of the bullet and disrupt it would also affect the PRC cartridges especially since the creedmoor and the 6.5 PRC are pushing the same bullet. Or do these only affect non hornady cartridges? LOL. Long range hunting seems like a tricky balance between getting enough energy out of a cartridge, and then accuracy. It seems like they are somewhat conflicting characteristics. I am trying to decide whether to keep my 7mag which has plenty of energy for long range deer and elk hunting, but accuracy (1.5-2.0MOA) becomes the bottleneck especially for deer past 500 yds. Debating dropping to the 6.5 PRC which probably is more accurate, but less energy (for elk).
@@elkhuntr2816the prc isn’t an outrageous over bore situation, it’s still within an efficient range which is why the cartridge sizes were picked. If they doubled the length and thus the powder charge then yes it would be to a point to heightened sensitivity, but that’s why they didn’t do that.
😂 You Created Another Horneday "Elk Debate" Podcast! 🤭
lol yall should be politicians. I can run my 28 nosler easy and beat my 7 prc it’s not even close. With the 7 prc you have to have RL26 to get anywhere close to the advertised fps. Tell us how much better the more efficient cartridges are. SMH
You do not HAVE to use RL26 to get anywhere near 3,000fps. Quite a few powders and bullets will get you there. Go watch Little Crow Gun Works videos covering the relevant 7’s on this topic of reloading…. 🤔🤣
@IR8GRANDSRT8 wrong! U must believe everything u hear. Hornady said in several podcasts that RL26 is the only onecthat gives the 3000+ fps velocity in 7prc.
@@REDNECKROOTS you should try some N570 or H4831, RL26 is not the only powder to achieve 3,000fps. But believe what you will. Weatherby easily achieved velocities with their 7PRC loads as well, but ok.
@@REDNECKROOTS weird, Hornady’s load data states otherwise on a variety of powders. I know all about Hornady’s use and lack of RL26, no need to state false hoods.
static.hornady.media/site/hornady/files/load-data/7mm-prc.pdf
@@REDNECKROOTS also you do realize a 28 Nos has considerably larger powder charge too, right? Nosler cartridges are designed to be very fast. The 7 PRC was never intended to compete in speed. 🤣
too bad hornady is woke...
And greedy spin doctors.
I heard they donated $1 mil to Kamala's campaign
Woke joke! I hate hornady now. There not fighting for hunters rights. They care about $ only. They flat out lie to there consumers. Yea hornady is a joke, and not a good 1 either
Yea they certainly have done some disappointing dumb shit, but I do enjoy the information they make public that many other companies treat as a trade secret.