How Badly Was PlayStation 3 Over-Hyped?
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Kutaragi went overboard with hyperbole. The Fable developer was exclusive to Microsoft; imagine if Peter Molyneux worked on a project with Kutaragi. That game would cure cancer overnight.
Molyneux is full of shit.
MarkVicFerrer Dear the Graphics of Killzone 2 its Destroys the XBox 360 so hard that it gave it 3rl, the enviroment Textures Resolution in Killzone 2 is higher than any game till PS4, and all thanks to the Cell PRocessor high performance on Processing of Graphics!!!!!
I think the biggest selling point was the Blu-ray player more than anything.
agree
Factssssss lol came with Talladega nights as well!
My grandpa bought us a ps3 just for the blu ray player
That's a good point, and of course, it was the BluRay playback capability that was largely seen as responsible for PS3 coming out in 2006 instead of 2005, giving Xbox 360 their head start.
Family's first DVD player was a PS2. Family's first BD Player was a PS3.
PSP was such a nice device, it's like a ps2 on the palm of your hand
I still have a PSP Go... and that thing CAN fit in the palm of your hand
It was ahead of its time
Way ahead of its time, loved playing dextor on there and Medal of Honor too
So is the PS2 Slim...
It was nice. But the device made my left hand cramp like crazy. The thumb stick was too low down.
I found the best feature of the ps3 was it ability to preserve the fingerprints of everyone who touched it.
When one of my blue ray copies of Big Mamma’s House went missing from inside it I was able implicate one of my housemates in the theft via forensic analysis of the oh so shiny surface.
😂😂😂
😂
Lowkey underrated feature
Really loved the Ps3, it had great games, an extremely good bluray and 3d player and you could play online games totally free. It was also backwards compatible to Ps1 and some versions also to Ps2 games.
Being the CHEAPEST BLU-RAY player definitely helped them win the sales title. And another HUGE benefit of the 360 was it's dedicated SCALING chip, which actually made the GPU even MORE POWERFUL since resolution scaling was 'free'& automatic'! While on PS3 developers had to worry about programming the GPU to support different output resolutions.
@@StreetPreacherrok xbot
The 360 had a great online experience that I’m still longing for its return. I don’t know why online games have gone backwards in that regard. Also, the HoloLens app was amazing for understanding what was happening in the early seasons of game of thrones. It was a map and would switch in real time where the characters were at in that very moment in the story. It also would show additional information of the characters. It was great and interactive that doesn’t exist today. My point is, consoles had so much potential and promise that doesn’t exist anymore. Sony and Microsoft have lost what made the consoles great to have. It seems like they think celebrating the alphabet mafia is what makes gaming fun. I miss old days where gaming was made for the gamers and not forcing dogma.
@@NitroscionPS3 >>>>>>>>>> 360
I had both a PS3 and an Xbox 360 (actually 2 of each, my first PS3 died and my first 360 RROD'ed). The 360 got all the love because I hated the PS3 controller, the 360 was mostly better for multi-platform titles, and I wasn't interested in the PS3 exclusive titles. I mostly just used the PS3 as a blu ray player.
To me, the PS3 was the last "magic box", so mysterious and so impressive, look at GoW 3 and Ascension, those graphics are still absurd, the scale of those bosses!
The crazy thing is that they got The last of US to run on it.
That little RAM (even for that time in 2013) and still somehow made it work.
@@cyphaborg6598 The Last of Us was dragging PS3 kicking and screaming, but it was built on top of Uncharted 3 tech. IMO they overshoot with ambition there, it would be better to scale back detail and complexity just a tiny little bit to ensure more consistent lock to 30fps. Because of framerate issues, I have never managed to kill Clicker using a bow and arrow while playing on PS3 😂 But in PS4 remaster which came out like 2 years later I rarely failed at it. But it may also have something to do with the fact how I hate Dual Shock 3 and how "weird" was deadzone of sticks in comparison to other gamepads I've ever used.
They're not "still absurd" lol, wtf are you smoking
@@Christopher-md7tfHe meant how a device from 2006 could produce wonderful graphic with such little ram and overall mid range specs that even look great nowdays.
@@eduardolobos7380 And I'm saying they do not look "great" nowadays. Great for the time, sure.
I thought the most forward thinking component to the PS3 was the ability to swap HDD. I popped an SSD in mine and Rage has almost no pop in. Other games win installs also benefited. Of course audio is much better because of the blu ray disc size and the fact Sony wanted the machine at launch to play just about everything; DVDs, blu rays, CDs, and super audio CDs. While they cut out super audio CDs, the hardware had amazing audio capabilities.
ooo, didn't know it could leverage the higher speed. Might have to throw one in mine for the 1 time i play it every 5 years lol.
@@Gr00t The PS3 uses SATA 1 so there's bottlenecking, but the cost of SSDs justifies the upgrade more than when I first put one in.
@@segasdreamer
Yeah seek times of SSD helps
Furthermore, the PS3 era hadn't seen such floated file size increases as the full HD PS4 era where large hard drives were a given. So even an old small SATA 256gb drive laying around can be put to real good use and store a lot of games, on a snappier and still beautiful OS
The insane hype (and CGI demos) was a deliberate tactic to stop people people from buying an x360, they weren't just "enthusiastic" or anything like that. I am also skeptical that the Cell was the only problem, rumor on Beyond3d forums back in the day was that the PS3's OS took up over 100mb of RAM at launch vs the x360's 30 ish. It would come down eventually.
My PS3 died the day the PS4 came out, which is ironic. I bought the original PS3 to play my old games.
Mine died when I decided to get a ps4 for gtaso tech it's still alive
Mine died right after I got my PS4 too. I got it fixed and the cool thing about it is that the repair guy had to replace the motherboard. I went from the 80gb model motherboard (has software ps2 emulation) to a launch unit motherboard (that has ps2 hardware on it). I had some PS2 games that didn't worked (like Mana Khemia 2 and Tales of Legendia) and now they work perfectly.
@@foufoufunPut custom firmware on it so you can run custom fan profiles to keep the temp under 70c for the GPU or it'll die again. Sony wanted them to run quiet but the GPU substrate was bad and would deform over time above 70c.
@@butchdeadlift7551 Yeah, I'm thinking of doing it someday. I wouldn't call it quiet though.
It is so ironic to hear the same thing happened to so many others, the PS3 did its job that is all I can say. 😄
Sony's saving grace was the Blu-ray drive, which could play games. PS3 was originally the best quality Blu-ray player during its early day. Motorstorm was the reason why I picked up my PS3.
Considering i'm still playing games on it almost two decades later I think it was worth every penny
And I'm actually looking to buy one in 2024... So many great games that you can't play on PS4/PS5. It had a rough start, fake trailers and was nowhere near the 1080p machine they advertised, but looking back, it sure had a great library of games, HD collections and aged really well (HDMI, wifi, wireless controllers, etc.).
It didn't have a great library at first and it didn't do well for years, also because it was overpriced. It took a whole make-over and re-marketing, plus a significant price-cut, to basically re-launch it back in 2009, about 3 years after release, to get people on board with it. That was the PS3 Slim and Kevin Butler era, which even pulled myself in as well. - Cause while I had a PS2 before that, I also kind of glossed over the PS3 at first, as I didn't feel the need for it, but then the Slim was a way better deal, with a lot more interesting games for it, with the matured software, more compact console itself, and better price. Oh, and it helped that it had a Blu-ray player, but mine died years ago, so... great.
@SteveSmith-wq4gp Settle Petal
That's cool you're playing your old PS3 still but you could get an inexpensive gaming laptop (used for mid range, new for low-end) and check out re-releases at 4K. I played Black Ops III Zombies in 4k for the first time yesterday and was like 😮😮
People forget how widespread the RROD was on the 360. There was like a 50% chance that your machine was going to fail in a year or two from the original batch. I do think that messed with their momentum and hurt their future generations. I had a 360 (and it was awesome), after 2 RRODs I went exclusively to the PS3 and didn't bother fixing my 360 again.
PS3 ended up having the best looking exclusives of that gen though
Facts
man, uncharted 2 was nuts. I remember quite well when I saw the gameplay demo and thought that it was impossible to have such amazing graphs on a 256mb console and that no PC could replicate that
@@Threewlz First time I played Last Of Us I couldn’t believe it. Thought it was the best looking video game I’ve ever played and it was actually good.
Sure now Xbox has HellBlade 2 but it’s horrible
They arguably had the best artists and studios spent longer on exclusives for sure.
@@tears2040 That's what i don't get about people that are using Hellblade2 as a flex for the Xbox.
It's just not a good game.
PS3 was very much about Blu-ray and hdmi full hd when it was released, it was the future, nevermind the CPU/GPU architecture.
@SteveSmith-wq4gpif you watche DF you would know there are 1080p ( and in resolution pretty close to it) games on PS3. But you don't wanna say it because it doesn't suit your speech
I switched from the 360 to the ps3 in the later years of the consoles life. Free online was one of the biggest reasons, but also i just preferred the exclusives. Im still holding out hope that they bring back warhawk and starhawk. Those games were amazing
Loving the Starship Troopers playing on the TV behind John. Is there motion interpolation enabled on his TV during movie playback? It looked like 60fps Starship Troopers. Or is that just insanely crisp OLED action?
Not sure if my memory fails me, but wasnt't there initially plans for the PS3 to ship without a dedicated GPU, where the CELL processor was supposed to handle that task as well?
Yes, some of the original plans were to use a 2nd CELL processor as a GPU.
Good thing they didn't. Programming issues aside, the costs would have been driven even higher and Sony estimated a loss of $200 per launch unit sold.
Yep. Naughty Dog convinced Sony at the last minute that it really needed a GPU so they had to throw in a half-assed chip that was weaker than the 360 despite aiming for greater graphical fidelity than the 360. Sony genuinely seemed to believe that the Cell was some sort of magic bullet that would change technology forever and it turned out to just be a needlessly complex piece of shit.
Not quite, the original plan indeed have a GPU, not a typical one but something like an exponentially more powerful version of the PS2 GS rasterizer unit.
If the PS2 had VU handling vertices and GS handling pixels,
PS3 would have SPU doing vertices and "GS2" handling absurd amount of pixels.
Yes this means it's extremely horrible to work on
@@silversquid1814 it's a good thing Naughty Dog's input on future, 'simpler' platforms resulted in more frequent works that didn't somehow run incorrectly on the corresponding Pro model until a patch.
Oh wait...
Moving to the PlayStation 4 must've been such a breath of fresh air for studios like Naughty Dog. - Not to get like pretentious about them, but they were already so ahead of things with what they were trying to do with games like "Uncharted" (at least 2 and onward, though even 1 was pushing conventions here and there) and of course "The Last of Us", it probably didn't help at all that the PS3 was so difficult. It's amazing what they managed to achieve with those 4 major titles on the PS3. - But then the PS4 came along and, due to exclusivity, they were finally able to really make those games shine or at least run properly, as the PS3 seemed to physically strain under them, especially with the ones they remastered. Though, then they squeezed the PS4 for all it's got yet again with "TLoU2", which in its turn is also amazing for what they pulled off with what was essentially already a 4-5 year old computer at the point they started full development on that game. - Then of course the PS5 lifted that up again, and so on. But it just gives context to those consoles and their tech.
Like... man... Imagine if 'Heavenly Sword' got a remaster for PS4 or something, then it wouldn't need to have such erratic framerates and look quite blurry at that. - I actually played that game when it was relatively new, but even at that time, while impressive for what it was, the framerate-drops and lower resolutions were actually a blemish upon an otherwise gorgeous game. Ninja Theory were just as much already pushing the boundaries back then, but clearly limited by that console. And also in their case it's amazing they got it done, but it just looks like it should've been a PS4-title just as well, even though it came out 6 years before it. - And I actually kinda love the PS3, it's special, but what a mess!
A (mess)merizing console 😎😏😁🫡
Xbox360 had a great start, but after 2010 the appeal was gone. There was no new IPs after that point.
Xbox's main issue is that they're ignoring core gamers, who are the ones willing to take risks when purchasing consoles
Same with Nintendo historically Nintendo 64 and the GameCube. Casual gamers follow brand popularity and that's usually playstation. Xbox360 did a good job collecting core gamers from the ps2 and some how lost them and those gamers went back to Sony offerings which are better
Those pre-render trailers were just pre-renders. But Kutaragi promoted them as gameplay.
The best thing about this discussion was the Starship Troopers movie on the background.
Apparently I wanted one so badly I was going to get a second job so I could afford it.
Perhaps this and other memories of Ken making promises for the PS3 would have “aged” better if I had stored them in my “digital locker” to improve the quality.
Anyway , Excuse me, I have to go play some “Riiiidge Racer”.
You all remember that one? Right?
I remember my uncle paying $800 for one the week it released and I was like 😮😮 800 was like 10 Gs to me as a kid 😄
It's fascinating that the Ridge Racer gag is still associated with the PS3 when it had nothing to do with it lol. It was a demonstration of the PSP being able to play PS1 games without a hitch which just so happened to be at the same E3 conference as the PS3 launch date/price reveal.
Don't get me wrong, it was poor judgment to design such an expensive platform back then and I remember well the discombobulated levels of angry the Internet was at the PS3 price reveal. But of all the things to come out of that conference, "Riiiiidge Racer" was a relatively good one for the time!
Make no mistake, the way the Cell was, and what Sonys 1st parties had to do to make the amazing games they did like Uncharted, TLOU and Killzone 2 and 3, made these Sony first party studies ahead of the curve when it came to making your games to run on.paralell cores and to make each core run efficiently as it can for Maximum effect. Their inhouse engines are made after this, which is why their games look so good and run at high frame rates.
@SteveSmith-wq4gp Whole lot of typing for nothing, No Game on 360 could match what was being done by Sony 1st party developers.
So much so that years later a remastered Last Of Us still looks better than 90+ percent of anything on Xbox currently
@SteveSmith-wq4gpYou are wrong about PS3 GPU its not 7600GT but 7800GT mutch stronger and X360 GPU is very similar to Radeon X1800xt. They are in same generation but X360 GPU have 10mb of EDRAM which give it a certain advantage but key and strong poitn is in Unified Shader Architecture a more modern approach and better oriented and capable for modern games that use shaders. I agree for the rest with you.
@SteveSmith-wq4gp Yes it is 128bit but PS3 RSX (Pixel Shaders-24, Vertex Shaders-8, TMUs-24, ROPs-8, 550mhz) compare to 7600GT (Pixel Shaders-12, Vertex Shaders-5, TMUs-12, ROPs-8, 560mhz). RSX is much stronger then 7600GT even little then 7800 GT (Pixel Shaders-20, Vertex Shaders-7, TMUs-20, ROPs-16, 400mhz) and 7900gt(Pixel Shaders-20, Vertex Shaders-7, TMUs-20, ROPs-16, 450mhz). Dont know how mutch bandwidth matter in this case but RSX have more shader power and in combination with CELL CPU its definitely outperformed all of this Nvidia GPU.
@SteveSmith-wq4gp No its not its much stronger then 7600GT even little then 7800GT an 7900GT. PS3 RSX (Pixel Shaders-24, Vertex Shaders-8, TMUs-24, ROPs-8, 550mhz),
7600GT (Pixel Shaders-12, Vertex Shaders-5, TMUs-12, ROPs-8, 560mhz),
7800GT (Pixel Shaders-20, Vertex Shaders-7, TMUs-20, ROPs-16, 400mhz),
7900GT (Pixel Shaders-24, Vertex Shaders-8, TMUs-24, ROPs-16, 450mhz). Yes bandwidth is halved only 128bit but shader power is much better and in combination with CELL CPU it much much better.
@SteveSmith-wq4gp No it much stonger then 7600GT in term of shader power and even little then 7800GT and 7900GT due to core clock. PS3 RSX (Pixel Shaders-24, Vertex Shaders-8, TMUs-24, ROPs-8, 550mhz.), 7600GT (Pixel Shaders-12, Vertex Shaders-5, TMUs-12, ROPs-8, 560mhz.), 7800GT (Pixel Shaders-20, Vertex Shaders-7, TMUs-20, ROPs-16, 400mhz.), 7900GT (Pixel Shaders-24, Vertex Shaders-8, TMUs-24, ROPs-16, 450mhz.) yes bandwith is halved 128bit but in combination with CELL CPU its much much stonger then 7600GT and probably also then 7800GT and 7900gt (RSX+CELL>7600GT/7800GT/7900GT).
The main reason the ps3 didn't lose was games, it was never much worse than the 360, got more great exclusives, and after developers came to grips with the architecture games were similar enough.
Another thing to not forget was you did not have to pay for online play, so convincing people to pick that up was easier too.
Games weren't just similar enough. They were LEAGUES ahead trashbox 360.
@@amazingamazigh1538 I was talking about multi-platform games being similar enough.
It reminds me of the Saturn's odd CPU . Odd how IBM helped with this CPU and also did the PowerPC that did the 360.
The red ring of death did not help the 360.
Microsoft should have counted all of the replacement systems in their 'total sales', then they probably would have come out on top!
Red light of death didn't help PS3
@@StreetPreacherrI'm pretty sure they did lol
@@buschg7106it did significantly less damage compared to 360 though
@@buschg7106 the yellow light of death was a FAT PS3 thing and the PS3 didn't start to sell that well until the slim came along which wasn't plagued by that problem.
I don't think the PS3 was ever overhyped, I just think it suffered from the same problem a bunch of current gen suffers from, namely the studios chasing large install & a flat dev structure. The CELL stuff did do a bunch of things other hardware couldn't, and it basically iterated on the PS2s design in the Emotion Engine. The PS2 had a similar stilted launch dev wise, but people got on board and by the end of its lifecycle everyone knew how to get the best from it. The PS3 didn't have that luxury because Microsoft went the route of Power PCs, and Steam became a big player in the market for the first time. It was suddenly much easier to basically make a game for PC that ported easily to 360 and vice versa than learn a whole different architecture and optimization pipeline.
I swear in like 5/10 years you'll suddenly see a huge uptick in "what the PS3 was really capable of" port videos, a la the current N64/Dreamcast ones, purely because the industry will better understand what they were going for & more people will "get" the hardware.
I don't know. This was the last new console generation release that I actually closely followed, and I remember that the 'CELL PROCESSOR' was all you heard about! Sony was boasting that the 'CELL' was REVOLUTIONARY, and would allow for unbelievably advanced games... However I think the most impressive feature ended up being able to do 'FOLDING AT HOME'!
I do believe we will see PS3 ports of newer games and we will be stunned.
I mean maybe but it took this long to get someone to do those things it sorta speaks to how mis guided the design was does it not?
@@CasualtiesOfGaming That's not really a CPU design issue, that's a documentation and development tools problem. If there was an abstraction layer for GPU functions on the SPU maybe devs can reach parity early on.
@@mimimimeowwhat is SPU (Snipet processing unit?) do you have a link that explains what is pls ?
I've been looking forward to your take on E3 Xbox 360 2006.
The GPU on the PS3 needed to fill in the blanks. But as a whole the PS3 could do more than the Xbox360. No games on the Xbox360 could touch Killzone 2, God of War 3, Uncharted 2, Infamous 2 etc. Halo 3 didn't look good to me, it was just Halo 2 in HD with few added effects. Gears of War was downgraded heavily from the original techdemo on PC and was devoided of all colours.
In 2015 Sony messed up. And had nothing to show. The lawsuit was still going with the vibration feedback in controllers. There was no real hardware and no fully working games.
Halo 2 on the 360 looked better than Halo 3 to me. I hated the bad frame pacing on Halo 3 and went back to the ultra smooth Halo 2 for a while.
None of those games look dramatically better than Halo 4, Forza, Gear of War 3 etc
@@kasjamm Uncharted looked better than any Gears and Halo game at that time.
I think the most hyped console ever
And for very good reasons. PS3 is and will remain the absolute goat.
It was the worst pile of garbage console ever released thats why.
@@megadrive11 it's the contrary actually but if u only got garbage taste guess nothing can be done about it.
@@amazingamazigh1538 Only casual Ponies like you who keep playing single player games on Easy Mode would say that. 😄
PS3 had Blu-Ray, Bluetooth, internal WiFi, back compat with PS2 and PS1 games, built in storage solution. PS3 version 1 could run other OS's like Linux. So many freaking features but the games ran better on 360 most of the time.
*"..but the PS3 outsold the XBOX 360. What could Microsoft have done to..."*
?? Uh, you forgot to mention that the PS3 had a BluRay player. That was kind of a huge deal. Standalone BluRay players at the time were rushed out and very expensive. And had compatibility issues. Even if you just wanted the PS3 for the BluRay player it could make sense to a lot of people.
The FAT PS3 was less expensive than the cheapest Blu ray Players when it launched
With today's tech, we really could have a Motorstorm that looks like that overly ambitious demo. That would be freaking AWESOME! Motorstorm is the sole reason I still have a PS3 hooked up to my TV.
Disappointment?
The day I got my PS3 I was overjoyed. And it provided countless hours of fun to me and my brother.
When I moved out from my parents house for university, I went and bought another PS3. Even if the PS4 had been around for a few years alredy.
I still have it, now paired with a 360. And it still get use from time to time.
I remember after the E3 announcement I said to myself I didn't need a PS3 ( already had a 360). A few days after launch I saw a Motorstorm loop being played in the local in town Currys window and bought one there and then.
For the first year I mostly played PS2 games, FF12, GOW2 and Gradius 5. I was never interested in owning a PS2, as I had the Xbox and GC.
I bought the MSG4 edition and MSG4 and Demons Souls became my two favorite games since Zelds Ocarina of Time.
It was hard to develop for like the Saturn before
Can you do like an gameplay and graphics analysis/ comparison of ea sport fc 24 on the Nintendo switch vs other console
The commercials sold me
Is wasn't overhyped, it was amazing technology wise. Just it was a difficult architecture to develop for, so not many games came out or when they did they were already out on Xbox and PC. The system itself was amazing
@SteveSmith-wq4gp please don't take your daddy issues out on me
The BluRay definately helped a lot. That plus the fact that the industry eventually caught up in coding for it‘s difficult hardware. Looking at games like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2…and even third parties did better and better during the second half of the cycle.
What book is John talking about at the 3:32 mark when he's talking about the x360 cpu?
I think he was reffering to "the race for a new game machine"
@@bertoku ok ill check it out
Oh my word i absolutely loved the build up to the PS3 ❤
I still clearly remember that pre-launch Killzone trailer that opened with the clouds.
It was unbelievably hype, and it became pretty discouraging as we came to learn how unrealistic that level of presentation would be in actual games.
I think the PS3 picked up a few sales once it became a cheap blu-ray player... And it also had an easy way to swap your netflix region for a while.
PS3 and 360 were made for 480p to 720p games not for 1080i or p, that is why most games perform like garbage on this machines.
Uncharted 2 and 3 are staring at u tho lmao
If they had given the Xbox 360 a blu ray player to begin with, sales would’ve been higher. That was a big selling point of the ps3 as it was still cheaper than most blu ray players at that time
That was Sonys new invention back then. No one was allowed to have it until they gave out the license to others.
The Blu-Ray drive was the single most expensive thing inside the PS3 at the time and would've jacked up production costs for the 360 too if it had one. At best Microsoft might've been more likely to suck it up and retail at a lower price due to their deeper pockets, but it would've been up in the air after how much they lost for years retailing the OG Xbox cheaper than it should've been to stay competitive with the PS2.
Keep in mind, a big part of the 360's appeal at the time was that it was a significantly cheaper alternative to the PS3 as a game platform.
I really really love my PS3, still have it, the gaming experience was sublime, online was free too, and the Blue Ray drive is a huge plus for the time
Kutaragi was drinking his own koolaid, he thought his Cell arch developed in a Sony/Toshiba/IBM patnership could up end the chip industry. He also thought Playstation could eventually conquer the pc space and overtake microsofts home turf.
It would be interesting to see PS3 exclusives homebrew ported to run on an Xbox 360 maybe they would run better.
Actually disappoint happens with its texture popping, the sony only made showoff, rather concentrating on how to deliver what's being promised or shown
That is true I had XNA studio on the XBOX 360 and I was doing ray tracing using only pixel shaders(nothing sophisticated of course)
I bought the PS3 slim after my Xbox 360 died. I really liked it at the time and wished that I would've kept that console. At $600 plus it wasn't worth while getting but then it got down to $300. I thought it was a great machine but they had worked out many of the bugs late in the cycle.
PS3 claimed 1080p most games ran below 1080p, PS4 pro claimed 4k and had almost no games at 4k, PS5 claims 4k and 8k and most games run below 4k (Xbox has this issue as well). Sony has a history of overhyping their consoles.
Most AAA current-gen games are native 4k although @ 30fps
-MLB the show: native 2160p
- Horizon Forbidden West: native 2160p @ 30fps or 1440p @ 60fps
- The Last of Us 1 (remake): native 2160p @ 30fps or 1440p @ 60fps
-The Last of Us 2 (remastered): native 2160p @ 30fps or 1440p @ 60fps
- Gran Turismo 7: native 2160 @ 60fps á 100fps or 1440p @ 120fps
- God of War: Ragnarök: native 2160p @ 30fps or 1440p @ 60fps
- Uncharted legacy of thieves collection: native 2160p @ 30fps or 1440p @ 60fps
- Elden Ring: native 2160p or 1440p @ 60fps
- Demon's Soul: native 2160p @ 30fps or 1440p @ 60fps
-Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart: 1800p to native 2160p @ 30fps (DRS quality mode)
-Spiderman 2: 1440p to 2160p @ 30fps (DRS quality mode)
-Stellar Blade: native 2160p @ 30fps
Shall I continue?
Also DF did a whole episode back in the day on every native 2160p @ 60fps games for PS4 pro.
Source: DF tech review
Also every game even if it's 1440p or lower in performance mode is still being output to 4k to your screen.
Did you watch John's "DF Retro Marathon: PlayStation 3 - The 1080p Dream - Every 'Full HD' Game Tested!" video?
No you did not.
,meanwhile the x box console is a piece of garbage no one cares about even Microsoft 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i dont have any of these consoles btw before you call me a sony fanboy
@@1241-c4eyou don’t even have a real username let alone any consoles.
Sony are habitual corporate liars. Simple as that.
We all love talking about the PS3. More please. Thanks
PS5 claimed its SSD would be the only one to allow "next-gen experiences" and those games would "only be possible on PS5" though now they even run on a Steam Deck
Try running Horizon Forbidden west or Ratched and Clank with the same graphics settings on your little steam deck 🤣🤣🤣
Try running it on a PS5 when you are on a plane. @@electrikoptik
Well not entirely true take something like R&C. Sure you can run it on a slower drive with less impressive graphics. Graphics is one thing but the developers intention about instant travel between dimensions is lost. The moment the game has to spend seconds to load.
Spider Man 2 would be the same since the speed you move at is reliant on the drive and system being able to load quickly enough out major pop in.. so minimum pc requirements will need a good ssd and probably more reliant on very good VRAM.
If you can’t understand the difference between brute forcing a game into running. And doing everything the developers want from the game. You really shouldn’t be commenting
Steam deck cannot run ps5 games. Can’t even run returnal or hfw
Ken Kutagari wanted to continue unique HW legacy of the PS2 with the PS3 and let devs and programmers to squeeze every single drop of performance hard way through well optimized code, however the PS3 design was rushed in the end with the Nvidia GPU and it all end up in a kind of mess which wasn't the original plan. Also the new paradigm was becoming popular which started with the original Xbox and continued with the Xbox 360 to give devs HW they r familiar with from the day 1 and let them optimize their code and tools to squeeze out of it as much as they can. Now with the best AAA video games costing multi million dollars to develop the general purpose HW and architecture is the ONLY way to move forward either by utilizing x86 or Arm based machines. Maybe in the far future we will see RISC 5 chips but it will be very unlikely that consoles will get some unique chips like CELL or what PS2 had. This is the name of the game right now and it kind of make sense also to make video games mainstream and spread on as many devices as possible.
Loved PS3 and this was coming from a strictly hardcore Xbox Gamer.
Once I finally played Uncharted, Last Of Us I realized Sony developed some really amazing video games that were missing on Xbox.
Also while Xbox Live was better, Sony was FREE and once my Xbox Live expired I kept playing only on Sony.
Loved also when GTAV released on PS3 and played online for FREE
the architecture wasn't as "exotic" as you'd think - the Cell processor was based on PowerPC (same as the 360) and the GPU was an underpowered GeForce 7800. the limitation was the over-reliance on multithreaded processing, which was a new concept at the time. multi-core CPUs were a few years old then but applications were still largely single-threaded. it also didn't help that it wasn't truly a multi-core CPU; it was more like a Pentium 4 on steroids. performance was going to be pretty poor unless the developer knew how to load balance all 6 SPEs.
I recall the PPE in the CELL having two hardware threads, just like one of the three cores in the Xbox 360's Xenon CPU, as the Xenon CPU was actually based on IBM's design for the CELL PPE, except with three times as much physical cores
@SteveSmith-wq4gp It's a full fledged 7800GTX with extra texture caches and FlexIO to offset the lower mem bandwidth. Despite being off the shelf design that small change made a lot of difference. One couldn't hope of running GTA5 on an actual 7800GTX
I wasn't following the industry closely at the time, and I got killzone 2 a few years after launch, not knowing the controversy, and it blew my mind with how good it looked. Nothing could compare with passing off a cg movie as gameplay, but kz2 was an amazing looking game
PS3 out sold Xbox 360 eventually it had a crazy amount of awesome games the uncharted trilogy, the last of us, god of war, metal gear 4 etc etc
GTA 4 and 5 graphics was crazy good on PS3
Ps3/360/wii generation was the best one to be apart of man. All the hype and fanboying was top tier
I would agree on some level, the press would throw outlandish statements as to what the processor was capable of, and maybe there is an argument for that atleast. The PS3 actually was a victim of price, and despite being a feature rich HD machine, Sony took their audiences for granted on the matter.
John do not underestimate the red ring of death effect.
Wait, who ripped off who's CPU?? What book?????? I gotta know!!!!
IBM took their design for the CELL's PPE and used that as a basis for the triple-core Xenon CPU in the Xbox 360
I had the same question and looked it up. IBM had been developing the Cell processor with Sony for awhile and Microsoft hit IBM up for their own processor for the next Xbox. IBM proceeds to basically show them the Cell processor, without saying who it is for, and Microsoft basically asked for a version that wasn’t a huge pain in the ass to use and they got a, still very good for the time, dumbed down version of the processor.
Basically Sony managed to eventually keep up years into the console wars bc while Xbox had a stronger GPU, the SPU’s on the Cell were really good at handling extra load/tasks when you know how to work them.
Sony formed a team of first party developers named ICE (no, not the government agency that kidnaps kids at the border) and those devs worked together to write documentation on how to squeeze the most out of the SPU’s for faster/better game development. I still wonder how much of that ever found its way to third party devs bc I feel like they had to have been given similar insights lol
3:30 sorry if this was mentioned in the video and I missed it but, what book was John referring to here?
I believe it’s: The Race for a New Game Machine.
TL;DR: MS saw what Sony, IBM & Toshiba were cooking. Asked IBM to use it and massively took advantage of Sony’s R&D budget to build the CPU of the 360. Thanks in part to that they were able to get the 360 out early to market.
My 2 cents is that this “trimmed” R&D bled over to MS not properly cooling the 360.
The 360 dominated in the US. It outsold the PS3 3-to-1 here.
Look Digital Foundry if that AI from GT7 works it’ll help with PS future. What do you think?
I don't believe there was a hype issue. Granted, coming off the PS2, anything had large expectations to build off of, but honestly IMO the PS3 at the end of its life delivered. It took some time, but I'd say Sony's first 3 consoles were some of the near perfect generation defining systems for its time. The PS3 was just such a slow starter in part because the HD transition was such a difficult transition for all the studios. It shifted the culture of development to what we mostly see now in toda's market to some extent.
From online updates, patches, microtransactions, downloadable games, etc. That combined with just learning to make games on the tech of this system was difficult. The Cell architecture processor probably never got its full realization with the purpoted Cell graphics chip that also never came about, but it did still some amazing things that makes me wish, to an extent, modern systems woud have SOMETHING unique about them that makes exclusive stand out on that system.
In the end though, PS3 was just too expensive for the market, and too bold to ask for that. Even Xbox One learned its lesson against the competition and suffered ultimately the same fate compared to its competitors. PS3 was essentially needing some humbling in the beginnings, but I believe Sony really learned a lot, and we had seen many great exclusives that made the system stand out and be unique in its own way. It was also the last system to really own the Japanese quirky side of Sony, because in PS4 they more westernized, and Nintendo's Switch seemed to have picked up that slack essentially, or rather be the last haven for it.
I don't think that your viewer's remark about PS3 hype is only about gaming .
I remember back in those days ,i was reading articles that PS3's "CELL"-Processor was so powerful that countries such as Iran was ordering huge PS3 quantities in order to use those processors in their😲😱 "missile-programs" !!!
PS3's hype was simply🤓🤯 ,the DEFINITION of hype !!! i was hearing all those rumors and i was expecting the PS3 to ... *wipe out every competition*
When thinking about PS3 outselling the 360, remember we see the same thing happen with iPhone vs Android. It's all marketing and brand perception.
Xbox also went all in on Kinect in the final 3rd of the 360’s lifecycle.
Gamers were left with Forza/Gears/Halo and 343/Black Tusk instead of Bungie/Epic.
Add the RROD console failures that had everybody’s 360 failing at least once until 2009-10, and the door was wide open with the PS3 Slim models, to get a PS3 in 2010 onwards and play through the exclusives that were excellent by that point.
PS Move was more of a ‘hardcore’ Wiimote in comparison to Kinect being more ‘wave your arms or dance’, so that helped as well.
I think more specifically what turned to be the right call was Sony approaching the Move as a side experiment rather than a priority like Microsoft did with Kinect which tanked hard after the honeymoon period.
I would even dare say Sony went in TOO well with exclusives for the PS3 in it's last 2 years or so and some of them could've been saved for the PS4, especially since it the PS4's initial good rep was mostly down to, well... not being the Xbox One or Wii U.
Main reason the PS3 out sold the 360
1. RROD
2. Blu-ray
3. Hdmi
4. Rechargeable battery
5. Quiet
6. Build quality
7. Exclusives
8. Free internet ❤
I was a big 360 fan. It did handle things better, but there were a lot of old gen tech on the system and the PS3 was very forward thinking.
For me the RROD was what hurt the 360 the most. I loved my 360, then my 2nd&3rd, by the 4th received in 2008. I babied it and it still ended up failing in 2018. My PS3 is still mostly fine.
What did the 360 handle better though ?
@@amazingamazigh1538 Third party games. The 360 being more streamline and have a slightly stronger with dedicated vram gpu made for a better programming and then a better gaming experience.
The 360 controller is also way more comfortable.
@@dogsbark5750 fair but I'd argue that exclusives did look better on the PS3 though.
@@amazingamazigh1538 i 100% agree. When they built a game around PS3s strengths it always turned out better.
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The hype was going to be huge, following from the success of PS2. It is interesting to look back and see where they went wrong
The PS3 maintained hype partially because Digital Foundry wasnt available to show performance. Many people thought the ps3 was capable of running 1080p, and the 360 was 720p because very few people followed up and fact checked.
With that said Sony overtook in the end because xbox brand was damaged by the rrod and they stopped supporting the 360 sooner. Sony was selling ps3s for years into the ps4 lifecycle.
PS5 was overhyped as well. The power of SSD crap and stuff like that.
True but not as well tho. The PS3 at least did live up to its expectations.
I dunno, the biggest hyperbole I've seen regarding the SSD was the notion that it would reduce loading times and game sizes.
The former I suppose has happened strictly comparing to PS4 I guess. But game sizes? Yeah, 100GB a pop ain't the move. God knows what GTA6 and Naughty Dog's ground up PS5 games are gonna require just on day 1.
If anything it was under hyped, it really was the do it all machine of the living room, and it was sold at a loss.
Yeah I was too poor to afford one at launch, But I did manage to find one second hand a year later around the time Metal Gear Solid 4 was out. Got it and loved it
the BD player was the main reason I bought the PS3
however, it worked as a gateway drug back into gaming as I had quit gaming midway through the 6th gen consoles
this was the one single console i invested in the most
How Badly Was PlayStation 3 Over-Hyped?
YES.
I miss the weird architecture of previous console gens. PS5 and Series X are great game boxes but basically just streamlined small form factor PCs.
PSP was freaking AMAZING BTW! PS Vita was set to take over the portable market and Sony just missed at every step. So disappointing!
I feel like the PS3/360 era was the last true console generation. Once they switched over to PC hardware it definitely became more developer friendly, but a lot less exciting. The PS3 architecture definitely afforded it unique capabilities, if the 360 really could have just run everything to equivalence on gpu then we should have seen TLOU graphical quality on that system, and it should have came sooner due to easier to code for architecture. The PS4 and Xbone do have impressive ports for what they are, but it was definitely less exciting of a generation looking back.
I have both and for me even today the ps3 is a beter machine.
I just bought a ps3 and play it with 360. Actually, I'm holding the controller and playing it right now. 360 is waaaay better. Same games, but the 1080p looks way worse than the 360. I play it for GT5 and the PS1 digital library.
PS3 is a million times better than the trashbox 360
The only games i've enjoyed on a PS3 was the 3 Uncharted and few games here n there, less than 20 games i guess
The rest i just played on an X360 and a PC afterwards
It was overhyped in the same way the successor to the Switch is being overhyped. And i would be very surprised if it reached the same level of success as its predecessor because that has basically never happened in the past.
Every PlayStation has been overhyped lmao
The PS5 SSD is the most recent example
😂😂😂
Still love PS tho
What part about the PS5 SSD has been over hyped?
If the Xbox 360 had a Blu-ray player it would have competed better, but we know that Microsoft backed HD-DVD and then it was an add-on device.
and now we have come full-circle with add-on disc drives for the disk-less, current-gen consoles.
The 360 has a huge sucess in brazil and i think that the original xbox never sell officially here, so they starts the brand with nothing
360 had no games in it's second half of life. If they didn't focus on trend chasing motion controls and focused on games like PlayStation did, things probably would have ended different. I started with a 360, but ended the generation with PS3. Uncharted's graphics were hard to ignore at the time.
In my country, during PS360 era, I’ve seen more 360 replacing PS2 in most houses mainly due to pricing issues with PS3 but at the end of the day Xbox can never outsold PS3 due to lack of official store here. Consumers love peace of mind.
As for branding people will always going back to Sony for PlayStation as it is the “iPhone” of the consoles market.
The ps3 did outsell the 360 eventually, but the 360 outsold it for many years. I think the 360 had two big issues- no blu-ray, and the red ring of death. The biggest issue was clearly the red ring of death, but apart from that, I think the 360 was a much better console than the ps3. Sony managed to catch up, and I think in large part due to them doing the best they could with the hardware they had. The ps3 did have equal, or slightly better ability to do cool graphics stuff as the 360, but it took some time to show it, but they did show it over time, every year. Meanwhile the xbox team was fucking around with the kinect, and forcing Bungie to make Halo games for all eternity, just like theyre doing now with 343 and Gears with the coalition
Except the PS3 is the much better console than the ³⁶⁰
Oh and you forgot about the mandatory paid subscritption crappy introduction just to be able to play online all that thanks to scamsoft. 🤡🤡
The PSP was like 5 generations ahead of the DS and was one of the most underated gaming devices. Who would of thought you can have a device as powerful as a PS2 with the same rendering capabiliy in the palm of your hands back in 2005? Ridge Racer, GoW GoS, Crisis Core, and Daxter look even more impressive than any PS2 game we've seen.
How did PS3 outsell 360?
How about the fact that 360s would be in a red ring crisis before people bought PS3s, the library didn't cater as well to people that were into JRPGs and female anime face games, the real world commercial product performance had flipped in favor of PS3 versions of games in the last few years, and XBox was losing momentum in core game development before the XBone as they chased shoving Kinect in everyone's hole.
Why did Wii outsell them both significantly?
Branding issue?
Europe at it again?
People wanted it more.
Live in reality.
MS never released the final number of 360 sold. People theories that 5 million units of "Xbox consoles" sold between 2013 and 2016 were actually 360 and not XBOne. That would mean that PS 3 didn't outsell it.
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You're assuming the PS3 didn't continue to sell as well during that time frame you mention.
@@gabrieleriva651 I'll take retail tracking numbers that say it did over what XBox would have to say about it anyway.
I wouldn't say the Wii outsold both 'significantly', a large portion of the PS3's and 360's total sales were a split of the PS2's install base after all. That's not to discredit the Wii's success, just that the core gaming market was still clearly larger than what the Wii tapped into.
If they had sided with one of the PS3 or 360 more lopsidedly then one of them likely would've sold about as well as the PS4, give or take.
@@strykah92 More HD consoles were sold than Wiis.
Wii outsold the PS3 by a margin of over 13% of it's total.
This is a significant margin.
The point was that people bought the hardware to play the games that were on that console.
Wii was the biggest seller because people wanted to play Wii games.
They didn't buy a console based on what some media nerds think they should have bought.
The media is frequently wrong, often intentionally.
PS3 was WAAAAY overhyped. One of those times when you see so much advertising everywhere you know the normies are just gonna lap it up. Just like the movie The Dark Knight - the advertising was insane for that movie; literally everywhere = same result. You can buy the masses if you throw enough money at advertising and keep walking about how awesome something is.
The UK and Japan both developed the original PlayStation together. PS1 was the most popular in the UK than even Japan and obviously the US.
I would not call it overhyped.
Instead I would call it a slow burn... it took a while for devs to make the most of it with early games often not looking any better than the dreamcast version.
It wasnt over hyped. The original PS3 was a complete package that still holds up to todays standards. Lets not forget the Kara demo that showed there was still room for graphical improvement.