Do You REALLY Need An Auto Chrono? Vintro Le Mans
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Well, I took my time getting this one on the review table, but the timing seemed right after the Nezumi last week. Be careful what you wish for. 16mm thick? Too much if you ask me. There is a reason why Mecha Q is so popular and so appropriate for these retro chronos. They are much more wearable and much cheaper as a consequence. Cheers, Jody
I genuinely don’t get the opposition to the meca-quartz. It’s a wonderful piece of contemporary horological engineering and really the only option for a chrono under £500. This just reinforces my bafflement. A very fair review - thanks for making lockdown in the UK tolerable Jody.
*Edit* I should also add that no criticism is intended for those for whom the movement is a critical factor in a watch. We all love watches for very different reasons. For me, the movement isn’t the determiner, its part of the wider recipe, but respect to all watch lovers out there!
You took the words right out of my mouth😁
The problem with Mechaquartz to me is mainly Seiko - and their design choice to include a 24-hour dial at the 3 o'clock on their most common movement.
You can get a seagull chrono for less than 400
You can get an invicta with Swiss made sellita sw 500 auto chrono for around$350 i think now.got mine for only$265
@@earthenjadis8199 True, but a 12 hour totalizer is just as absurd. On the other hand, I found 24 hr. dials on Chinese mechanicals helpful for identifying am/pm when resetting a stopped watch, eg., Alpha Speedmaster. I also credit the Seiko 24 hr. dial with getting me interested in a 24 hr. Vostok, which has been impractical fun.
It's certainly attractive, shame about the bulk though. I'd personally rather take the meca just because it's thinner, even though a mechanical chrono is a real feat of engineering. Great work with the review Jody.
That's what I thought before handling some of these watches. Then I found out that I didn't really mind the added bulk on the wrist - because I didn't find it all that noticeable. Had to remind myself that zoomed-in pics and videos tend to give a false impression and that they can exaggerate dimensions. I've had the Hamilton Intra-Matic Chrono on wrist (~15mm thick) and in the same week the Steinhart Paul Newman homage (a whopping 18mm thick). Both of which looked and felt absolutely fine on my smaller than average, 17cm wrist and I wouldn't hesitate buying either of the two.
@@1SaG Thanks for the info, my wrist is even slimmer so I'm not sure I could pull it off and I do prefer thinner watches. But again, appreciate the info. Have a great day.
@@EliteSim Same to you and stay healthy! As long as wrist-sizes and case-thicknesses are all we have to worry about, we're doing great in these weird times. ;)
I like hand wind chronos with power reserves myself.
@@1SaG appreciate that. Hope you stay safe as well.
Why do retro vintage watches go for an automatic option?! Stay true to type and go manual.
Agree, if they had gone for the manual wind version of the ST19, would have solved the thickness issue and have been more true to a 1950's chrono.
@ The lorier gemini just restocked and sold out in 15 minutes the other day. A 39mm, 12mm thick manual wind with a plexiglass crystal.
@@springthyme501 Indeed! Under 40mm, as well. All I can see is that automatics are assumed to be an essential feature when other features, on balance, are the greater attraction.
@ Unfortunately, whilst I lament this fact, there is a truth to this.
The other alternative is a Bulova .If you dont like the Lunar Pilot ,Curv or Lobster chronos are great too with a retro look , amazing accuracy and a mad sweep.
I follow many watch channels, from Italy, EU in general, USA ecc, BUT I must say *yours in quite the best* .
This channel is good and balanced. Its entertaining without being buffoonish, its frank without being harsh
Keep up the good work
Cheers from Italy
Grazie Mille!!
Another affordable auto chrono movement is the ETA Caliber C01.211 used in some less expensive Tissot and Certina chronographs. My Tissot Carson chrono has this caliber in it.
That’s probably why the Seagull 1963 is so popular. It is a lot cheaper and it’s hand wind only so you can see the whole movement. Great video as always sir.
I reviewed the same model Vintro a few months back. I agree; only wear it on the leather strap. The polished bracelet is a scratch and smudge magnet. It's a thick watch, but remember in 1952 thinner mega quartz movements didn't exist. It's vintage retro!
... I honestly don’t know why they didn’t just whack an ST1901 manual wind mechanical in it and be done TBH!
But as far as the Seiko Mecha-quartz movement goes, and I’m wearing a Strela Chrononaut (a limited run of 200 re-issue / homage to the watch worn by Alexei Leonov during the 1st ever space-walk) which looks incredibly similar to this piece right now and I think that a meca-quartz offers the best of both worlds. A great piece of kit.
They could of made it hand winding with the ST1901 instead. Mine is only 13.6mm thick. Great t-shirt again! Thanks for the video and stay safe.
The one you missed is the alpina startimer pilot heritage Chrono using a single pusher chronograph based on a la joux perret movement. I found it on eBay for 700 dollars.
I just bought my first mechanical chronograph since the one my parents gave as my first watch in 1971. A Bulova Accu-Swiss Tellaro automatic (65C116) with a Valjoux 7750 for $380 (factory refurbished). It is 14.5 mm thick, but has modern lowered lugs, so wears well with its bracelet. I have many analog quartz chronographs from Bulova, Casio, Citizen, Glycine and Timex. I really like my latest Bulova automatic chronograph but would probably recommend a quartz chronograph to most people. There are more choices, they are usually less expensive, most are lighter and they have features that are rare or not found on mechanical chronographs, like split timing and higher resolutions like 1/10, 1/20, 1/100 or 1/1000 second (although a human pressing a pusher is pretty much only accurate to 1/20 second, at the best).
You do need an auto chronograph! I have 7750 Hamilton’s and a bunch of vintage Seiko 6139, 6138, and 7017s. Love them all!
I really like the way the minute register snaps to the next graduation as the second hand passes 12. Other than that, agree with your comments Jody. Using a hand wind st1901 would allow it to be thinner. Feels like this is an auto for auto's sake.
I have a Bulova Precisionist that is a quartz movement, and has a 262khz beat rate, resulting in the smoothest second hand movement I have seen in a wristwatch at its price range. It also has a 300 meter water resistance rating. I bought mine second hand for $180.00, but you can get them brand new in any color you want for about )400-500 dollars. Beat that with a stick at Kroger’s!!! Great video, and I definitely agree with your conclusions! Keep up the great work Jody!!!
I think that an attraction point for a mechanical chrono is looking at that wonderful movement, but in an auto the rotor covers half of it. For pure mechanical pleasure, I am for a hand wound chrono. For taking times, I am for a Casio.
Jody's reviews are always GREAT. I always wonder why anyone would give them a thumbs down...
Possibly Vintro employees.
That's what happens when many watch snobs are against every time piece that doesn't have automatic movement, it makes companies to sell more expensive watches, but that are not as pretty and good as their counterparts, the meca quartz in this case (no pun intended).
Probably would have done better as a manual wind.
Thanks for taking the time to discuss this! I hope the clamour for a mechanical Chrono is being heard and all the dive watch micro brands have some in the works for the next batch of releases. If anyone knows of any Kickstarters for such a watch point me to them!
Nice to see the seagull get an outing it is in my opinion the best mechanical chrono for under a couple of hundred quid that is the 1963 of course 👍
Love the white/red/blue color scheme similar to Montblanc Heritage.
Seagull 1963 all day long.
I have an MWC 70s RAF pattern homage with the same manual wind Seagull movement... picked it up in a liquidation sale for £100 when they normally go for £250 to £300 if you can find them. Lovely cost effective movement but as you've seen. with the extra auto gubbins it gets a bit chunky.
I have a Porsche Design inspired (rip off..) watch from the 70s with the venerable 7750 in it by a company called Silvana. Love that watch and got it for the same price a cheap un-serviced 7750 movement alone would set you back. That was only a year ago.
Then we have my watch where it all started when I was 10 years old and found it a garage sale for $10 (Canadian dollars) - a deep blue reverse panda faced chrono with the Valjoux 7734 hand wind. Made by a company called Astoria... small brand that likely died due to the Quartz invasion. But this was 1992 or thereabouts when collectors weren't targeting these "junk" watches.
In summary - loads of great vintage chronos that can be had for less than £300... some of them with autos. So why buy something new for more money? Source a proper vintage watch with real period character.
Jody, great great great review. Totally agree. Thanks for keeping up the videos, something nice, entertaining and fun to take our minds of other serious things. Keep safe
Hmmmm well it’s a nice looking watch on paper! I own a Fortis Cosmonaut chrono automatic which uses the Valjoux 7750. Now I love that to bits!!! My seagull 63 and Lorier Gemini are watches I own also . There are manual winds and I think deep down they are the true chromos!;)
Jody, that tee-shirt is fantastic. I love it.
I don't need a mechanical chronograph, but I wish they could tweak the Seiko mecaquartz to be bicompax with a minute sundial and hour sundial. I also really enjoy that the minute sundial on this one doesn't move at all until it jumps to the next position.
Jody, there is another option. Armand Nicolet makes a auto chronograph, and I think they use a Swiss made 2892 movement and add they add parts to convert it to a chronograph (I believe, not to sure of the movement). That being said, I picked up a J09, for $1400 and it had 18kt rose gold bezel, with 15 mm thickness.
I still have my Tutima Military Chronograph (steel) which paid 2000 DM in 1994, with the no longer made Lemania 5100 movement with day/date. Used price today around 2400 Euros ...
Gotta love the pleated dress driving slacks in the race clip 🏁Great review 👍
Tissot a several beautiful automatics, bot cheap $300 prs516s all the way to $1000+ chronograohs. I personally LOVE the 42mm prs516 automatic....
Good argument about the thickness. I've got a Tissot Couturier Auto and I'm not wearing it much for precisely that reason. It's just to much bulk for most occasions, which is a shame. As for the watch in this vid: really like the aesthetics, I might check the mecaquartz version...
Tissot makes automatic chrono's... quite a few of them. and some are going for less than this watch. And if you're diving down this particular rabbit hole, I'd like to see some more Tissot reviews from you anyway jody.
Love Tissot, quality, value heritage.
It’s used across the Swatch group, I’ve got a Certina DS Podium with it in.
Manual chronos are cheaper too. Russian 3133 movement is decent and not as thick
There are also the 31J, 28,800 bph, Shanghai 3LZF2 and the 21,600 bph, Liaoning Peacock 7750. The Shanghai 3LF2 is more common. Ticino sells a 3LZF2 based chronograph, the BF-109, for $260. Shanghai also uses that movement in their own, SH9001 chronograph.
I have a Lamberti with a Seagull 1940, it's 12.9 mm thick and IMO better looking. Lamberti was very accommodating and gave me a different set of hands on my request.
Another fun and informative video. I've owned the 1963 for years and its been trouble free, a very nice watch, and actually gets used as a chrono in my work on a regular basis. I agree that the height of this with the ST-1940 is too much for what it is. I do love the look of the watch, the dial, the pusher choice, the hand set, etc. If it were 3mm slimmer it would be a go for me to add to my chronos. As for finding auto chronos
Great review as always thanks Jody. I see that Vintro do a meca-quartz version too at 13mm thick and half the price. Even so, personally, I would still opt for a Dan Henry 1964 Gran Tourismo meca-quartz which is 38mm x 12mm and comes with a beads or rice bracelet and a leather strap for $260 delivered to the U.K. inclusive of VAT & duty. That or the DH 1962 Racing Chronograph 39mm x 13mm at the same price with two QR leather straps. I have a DH 1970 Diver and, for the price, I just can’t fault it.
Jody, thanks! As always, measuring the value proposition from a functional and aesthetic view!
While still a quartz movement, just based on looks, I prefer the Seiko SNDF35. Great review as always!
Or, £500-£600 on ebay will get you a lightly used Christopher Ward C1000 Chrono with a Swiss automatic movement.
Pretty looking watch at first glance, but nah - Straton have got the whole retro motorsport chrono thing completely covered
It should be said that while _based_ on the Venus 175, the ST19 series had it's fair share of improvements over the years, such as the increased beat rate or the swan neck regulator among others.
Quartz for chronos all the way! I get the romanticism of auto or handwind chronos, but they are more delicate , expensive to service and accuracy can vary depending on how wound the watch is when engaging the chrono. A quartz chrono is going to be more accurate, more robust and easier to maintain than a mechanical.
Yet another great review, Jody. I am more of a 'modern' watch bloke but the dial on the Vintro is absolutely gorgeous. As you quite rightly pointed out the thing is waaaay too thick (the seagull movements are better than most watch snobs will EVER admit and the one in the vintro looks really pretty (except for the clumsy scratches). I am a bracelet guy as well but the leather strap is the only one to go for on this type on watch. I have just checked out the Vintro website, and will be purchasing the quartz one with the Champagne dial in a few weeks time - the black and white dials look too 'new' for me in this watch at least. You get to choose which strap you want and it is free shipping. You have cost me more money!!! What's the Missus going to say???!!!
Tissot with ETA.C01.211
Do you really need an automatic chronograph? Fuck no. You don't need a watch really. It's the "WANT" that keeps this fun hobby of our alive.
I was running for my wallet right until I saw it on wrist.
Your 100% right way to thick.
I’m an antiquartzer so the other option is not really for me either.
Nice work! Great review.
Beautiful watch, shame about the thickness though. I'm pretty sure a lot of these watches could get rid of a few mm by making the dial less recessed
There's also the budget ETA automatic chrono movement that they use in entry-level Tissot's, a Swatch special edition, and similar stuff - the C01.211 (I think that's the designation), which is based on the Lemania 5100. There's a used Tissot Couturier Carson Chrono that I've been eyeing going for 240 euros (just a nato strap though), but I've seen one or two similar ones for just around 300 euros.
I like the watch a lot - the dial layout reminds me of the original Strela (which went to space, and timed the first spacewalk even, on the wrist of cosmonaut Alexei Leonov). Those are still being made today with the Poljot 3133 movement as the later originals (think space station era) were, and are available around $500-600. I'd love to see a review of one of them! Maybe get in touch with Julian over at poljot24? ;) Great review of course as always Jody, and it's a shame I agree with your conclusion - I do quite like this one, at least in theory!
HAHAH "chunky dive watch thick" great description !
I believe Dan Henry and Christopher Ward make great, racing inspired, high quality, quartz chrono watches at reasonable prices. I own a couple (one is COSC certified at +or- 10 seconds a year) and keep the crowns pulled when not wearing so, the batteries will probably outlast me. I generally enjoy and collect automatic 3 handers. But, my thoughts on cheap automatic chronos (or chronos in general) is that I would enjoy them until the first service when I would realize I never use the over complicated features and they would just sit in the box not running, and unloved. I hark back to your recent review of the Ali Express Dayton Homage that caused me to spend $70 on a watch that would give this one a run for its money. Except for packaging of course.
Keep up the great reviews, they are welcome diversion as I "shelter in place" with my watch collection.
Check out the Tissot Carson Chronograph (You get an ETA - Based Automatic Chronograph for under $300)
....or the Baltic Bicompax.
A few other affordable brands that comes to my mind for mechanical chrono : Lorier Gemini, EMG DL63, Baltic Bi-Compax, and getting more expensive, Maen Skymaster (ETA) and for the NE88 Smiths PRS32 Vanguard by Timefactors. I left out the Seagull 1963 for obvious reasons (you made at least 2 reviews of it). Great video Jody. Stay safe mate !
thank you!
My pleasure 😇
Another good review. Thanks for always giving an honest review!
ETA 7750 vintage/nos watchpieces are not very expensive and I usually consider them quite a deal. Swiss made auto chrono, day/date complication and a robust movement, well known by watch technicians all over the world. Most of those watches usually also pack sapphire glasses and applied indices on the dial.
Dare I mention homage? I have the same column wheel Seagull movement (handwinding though) on my rather pretty little Alpha Daytona Newman homage and if you can stomach it you also get the vintage looks, creamy dial and chrono function in a real value for money proposition befitting a fellow Scot
It seems to be okay for what it does - the real question is if you a) need a mechanical chronograph over the mecha quartz and b) If it really has to be automatic on top of it.
The Maen Skymaster at 38mm with a 2894-2 for $816 shipped with sapphire upgrade looks pretty smokin' to me.
I think some of the Alpha Watch manual chronos look pretty good for the money, but I've only ever seen pictures and videos. If I was in the market for anything other than a Pogue, the Zeppelin Los Angeles quartz would be the pick. Great dial.
Honestly, doesn’t seem more bulky than the valjoux 7750. On many occasions, I’ve considered flipping my autochronograph for a meca-quartz. So far, I’m still strapping the beast to my wrist. Who knows, maybe one day I’ll upgrade to a speedy moonwatch.
Great insight as always Jody. I do not for the life of me understand why so many watch enthusiasts put so much importance on “Automatic” movements. Especially when Chronographs are so much better powered by Quartz. I’ll put my ETA G20.211 powered 2012 Victorinox Swiss Army Chrono Classic up against any Auto Chronograph.
Jody, look up the Tissot PRC200 chronograph automatic. They retail about 1k us and you can find them like I did for about half that elsewhere. Its massive and has a terrible pressed clasp but it's still fairly nice and comfortable while having silly amount of specs
I was having an eye on these since Kickstarter, because the guy is from around where I lived back then in Germany, but kinda lost track. Excited to see this popping up in my feed.
I have been eyeing up Vintage racing inspired stuff given my tastes in Cars and I'm glad I saw this first.
Is there an answer sheet for the T-shirt, my Brain got Moss, Stewart, Damon Hill, Senna, Mansell and Schmacher, Mansell obviously the easiest with that fantastic tache.
As a cheap automatic enthusiast, I can also tell you just get a quartz chronograph. Chronograph means timer. You want your stopwatch timer to be accurate or what's the point of it? Chronographs are only for a specific group of people anyways....most people don't need one beyond the smartphone. And if you do need a chronograph for your job....a quartz one will be provided for you....or it will be an automated electronic timer and you just need to make sure there's no power outage.
Personal cheap automatic collection is: Orient Kamasu Diver, Hamilton Khaki field (I got from a friend for $200), Orient Star Elegant Classic dress. Only 3 watches I really need. (Oh, and a G Shock for the gym and outdoor swimming)
Yeah-- it's a beautiful racing watch, but *too* thick... I think a (gasp!😲) quartz or manual movement would be the way to go...
Thanks, Jody! 🖒😎
Jory, just got a Seiko SPC131 from Jomashop, on sale. price was too good to pass for a do everything watch ( chrono, perpetual calendar and alarm!) The dial is a bit crowded but with the usual perfect Seiko finish, rather look good if a bit busy. Only drawback, for a complicated dress watch, is the crappy Seiko wrist band. will be replacing it soon. Cheers, Richard
Many pre-owned Zenith El Primero Chronographs are pretty affordable.
Microbrand should’ve use either Seagull or Poljot movement for lowering the mechanical chronograph he he. Chinese brand like Sugess already created a beautiful watch using Seagull movement for a “affordable” price.
Pass on this one but I might get a seagull 1963 with the sapphire front and back .
I know it's more expensive, but I love my Hamilton American Classic Chronograph - retro looks, automatic and reasonably thin. List price is about £1900, but you can usually find them for about £1400 brand new online. Well made, good looking and great timekeeping. I also have an automatic speedmaster - but I haven't really bonded with it and it was twice the price......
That is an arm clock! I had a Daytona copy that did all that and the date and wasn't as thick as a crumpet. I gave it to a mate who had it looked over. Apparently it had a Seiko movement and from what I remember kept excellent time. I wouldn't wear this watch at any price.
A good alternative is the Lorier gemini. Its uses the ST19 manual mov't with a thickness of only 13.3mm
Hand wind poljot 3133 or 31681 are a good choice although poljot movements are becoming scarce these days.
I hope it's a robust watch and movement because at that thickness you'd be accidentally knocking it on everything. Also thank you for not taking that bracelet out into the Sydney sunshine, you saved our sight!
The Geckota W-02 Vintage Mechanical Chronograph sells for around € 350,- I do not know this particular watch, but I own a few of their watches and the quality is outstanding.
Nice looking watch but what a bruiser. I think though I would go for the Chris Ward Morgan chrono for that vibe. Now there's a watch I cant see reviewed anywhere!
I have a Zelos ZX5 with the 7750. Thick, but beautiful beast. Unfortunately the thickness means I bang it off just about everything I walk by. Also had a vintage automatic Citizen Bullhead like the one Brad Pitt wore on Once Upon a Time...They did that one right. Ultimately, I think a quartz chronograph is the way to go. Keeps the thickness and price down.
I often find myself frustrated by the thickness, and relative lack of wearability, of modern chronographs. A few years ago I'd injured myself on a ski holiday so took a day trip over to Biel and visited the Omega museum. Granted all of these would be manual wind, but they had some absolutely tiny mid-Century chronographs. And I don't just mean small diameter-wise, I mean thin. Some of these were designed for ladies so, given mid-20th century sizing you can imagine how small they were. The modern movements are pretty substantial - I guess this might be to do with durability and, of course, the rotor for the auto-winding - and a display caseback often seems to mandate a thicker watch, but I cannot sea any reason or excuse for a chrono, and particularly not a retro styled chrono, to be coming in at 16mm thick. If that watch were a manual wind - like the Seagull 1963 OG - rather than an auto, and came in at less that 13mm thick it would be a much better and more compelling piece.
Time to look at the Vintro chrono with the quartz movement at half the cost. And it's not really retro but I believe the Timex Fly Back chrono is a meca quartz at under $100. At least mine acts like it.
Yep, quartz chronographs are where its at. But I find myself checking out the Longines Big Eye lately?
My watches range from $300-$3,000. My two chronographs are mecca-quartz. They have excellent fit, finish, and most importantly, they keep excellent time. Granted, they aren't as nice as my more expensive watches, however, they do what they are supposed to do and I have no complaints. 😀
Hi Jody. Big fan of your channel. Own lots of the watches you’ve reviewed (cost me money!!). Love motorsport chronos especially 70’s with both auto and MQ movements. Own 5 Christopher Ward Rapide chronos and last year picked up direct from CW a C7 Rapide Chrono Auto with a 7750 movement. It was a modern take and the case and face were distinct from anything else. Got it 50% off for £647.50 🇬🇧. Swiss made 42mm. Height 14.3mm. L to L 48.2. LW 22mm. 95g on leather strap. 316L. S/S & Alum case. 10ATM WR. 28,800 +/- 15 per day. Believe it’s now discontinued but they did have a few left recently. Love this watch on a brown leather rally style strap because of the 7750 inside. Check it out on CW Customer service/manuals website. Like all CW watches great quality and value for money when half price in one of their sales. Stay healthy & safe
Another great review my man! I love these watches, I can see how that thickness could be a problem, but none the less it’s very attractive!
The dial looks very good, and the german workmanship might make the watch more durable, but I think a Seagull 1963 Chronograph is much wearable and much cheaper as well.
More full mechanical chronographs, please. Have an eye on a Tissot V8 with the ETA C01.211.
Actually, I rather like the watch, apart from that garish highly polished bracelet! Depends on size of wrist (I'm not a huge guy - 7 3/4" wrist). Ive got a Tissot T-Nav auto chrono that wears a bit like a tank as well, but unless you are constantly swapping it out with smaller watches, you really don't notice. That said, I agree in part - it would have been more era-appropriate to keep the movement manual. But then more difficult to market? Not sure... perhaps there would have been a bit of cost savings to consider that could have been passed to the consumer. Either way, not the worst of the watches you've reviewed (two tone Seiko still has me gagging). ;-) Nice work, as always.
I want my first mechanical chrono to be a Valjoux 7750(always seemed unattainable cause I'm broke) but those Chinese chronographs are growing on me
If somebody wants a Seiko auto, William L 1985 actually has in stock an automatic chrono featuring the Seiko NE88A
I think the bracelet is probably the best for this watch, it looks thinner on it.
Thanks Jody! Great review…”Hens teeth” still has me chuckling....
I have two Chronographs. A mechanical quartz Tissot PR 100(Great watch at $250) and the Seagull1963 which you have reviewed before. I absolutely love it(Sapphire crystal, display case back, Beautiful Column wheel movement( $178 on AliExpress) It Looks great on vintage-style leather straps, And I highly recommend it to scratch That itch for a mechanical chronograph!
Oh, I love that clock on the wall.
The limited run of 500 is attractive but I think pricing should be in the €375-425 region.
The first cheap mechanical Chrono that pops into mind is that alpha Paul Newman
Poljot has a chronograph you should check out.
They make a 13mm thick seiko mecha quartz version too for half the price then ?I'd prob prefer a Parnis or Pagani Daytona with that movement for well under $100 myself .
There is about 3-4 different levels of quality really.Thanks
On top of the valjoux and eta is the selita-200
I have come to the conclusion that I, a poor person, isn't going to have an automatic chrono unless it's a sea gull.
I have been tempted by the Hoglund and Son MK2, it's also got a sea gull in it, the MK1 had a mecha quartz. They are both very affordable.
For some reason my first thought to the thumbnail for the video is speed racer