Skullgirls is one of the most unfortunate games ever. Whenever things are looking up for the game, there’s always something that brings it right back down. It’s a shame because the game itself is AMAZING. It sucks that it has to go through so much trouble.
Okay, i'm arriving late to the party but I liked the video... Except for the part about Mike Z's removal, which is highly misinformed. He didn't interact with a "fan", it was a popular cosplayer who was outed for being manipulative and abusive called BunnyAyumi, who explicitly messaged him in private to talk about the game by literally bringing up lesbian BDSM, baiting Mike into saying inappropiate stuff, despite him trying this best to not be inappropiate and even asking for her consent to ask personal questions, to which he writes "humans with p*nises" in an attempt to avoid comming off as transphobic since the dude is literally autistic and sucks at communication. After this incident, a shitstorm ensues where the company backstabs him by organizing to leave together at the same time since Mike Z didn't want to be fired in the same way that happened with Alex Ahad, while making shit up about him to ruin his reputation... All of the proof regarding this is present in the current lawsuit, and the channel Technicals organized all of it in an hour long video discussing the entire timeline of these events in-depth, while also exposing how inconsistent and contradictory all of the accusations against Mike Z are in light of the available facts.
@@jamesrosewell9081 I'm absolutely disgusted, it was done by a bunch of transphobic losers who believed that the game was nothing more than a "psyop" to entice the masses into liking incest, and that the game would further cause the "downfall of the West"... It's honestly baffling how we can't have games exploring taboo subjects despite a similar controversy taking place decades ago with Rule of Rose, where journalists who never played the game began saying that it's about p*edophilia and sexually harassing minors, as well as killing them (as you might already expect, none of this was part of the game). I expected the gaming community to mature and learn from mistakes like this, but here we are... Losing our minds over an indie game that doesn't even focuses on incest, while harassing the creator to the point of revealing her personal information without consent.
I was gonna comment a similar thing about this , if im honest i think no one in the dev team of skull girls is normal cuz most women in the dev team were talking menstruation and porn in general and mike was like trying the best to not sound weird as fuck and even avoiding and changing subject
True, but it's people like them that are the main reason why video game companies have a policy where they refuse to accept ideas or concepts from fans or other people who do not work for the company, as it can result in such legal situations.
Is Alex Ahad consultant for future Skullgirl characters? These are his characters and his art style, he should be the one to tell and finish the story, when it is time.
the fact that skullgirls is still alive and well after everything it's been through is wild to me, it's lived twice the lifespan of the average fighting game and been through enough development troubles and controversies to kill an AAA game multiple times over yet it's still going strong, and I'm very happy for it. it's truly a one-of-a-kind game and it's always a fun time whenever I boot it up even though I suck. I hope that no matter what else the game has to deal with in the future it'll still pull through
@@Jerome18921 the craziest thing is the censorship controversy basically didn't affect the actual playerbase at all, the game's steam player counts look basically the same before and after. Due to its fundamental design ideas skullgirls is a game that's always going to be causing controversies and its players are used to it at this point, I honestly don't think anything can truly kill the skullgirls playerbase
Honestly not just because Alex draws suggestive stuff all the time, its also because people came out about it that he was also lazy with the story and his job. At the time of making Indivisible, there are old videos of Alex Ahad showing what the plot of Indivisible would have been like, but it was him constantly rewriting the story and also not coming into work or even him with his terrible work ethic ultimately lead him to being fired. We don't even see any of what he originally intended in Indivisible's final game. People are saying that Skullgirls needs Alex Ahad to make the game good again, but he hasn't had any sort of relevancy in other works aside from this one, he's sorta just a one hit wonder, random things that he came up with just worked and clicked with this game.
Minor detail that was not mentionned: Another part of what was removed includes some of the fanarts and artworks included into the art gallery of the game. As well as some stuff that what was available in the Artbook DLC that people actively paid for.
It's always the people outside of the fandom who's voices are louder and care not for the game (nor do they play it). That's why you keep your communities gatekept.
I CAN get behind the Filia censorship considering she is in fact a teenager, but I feel that it probably would have been better to never make her a 16 year old in the first place.
@@sweetpea644 Exactly, is it so hard to believe she was looking for Carol for at least 2 to even 4 more years? Hell you could’ve told me she was 20 and i’d believe it.
I don't see why 16 is even an issue though, I don't recall her age ever being mentioned in the game and 16 is the age of consent in most of Europe, Canada, and the majority of the USA.
@@platinumg.8614that would also explain why her clothes don't fit her, she's been using her same school outfit for years, and obviously a school outfit wouldn't be that revealing
Now what I'm seeing after some digging about Mike's side, he said he was framed with these allegations. The screenshots people gave were cropped, not showing the whole convos that they were the first to bringup these convos and not by Mike(even tho they said he was the one that did). What's even crazier is that an alegal paper by Mike himself (since this is being brought to court) that he's on the autism spectrum(which might somewhat explain why not reading the room correctly has caused some heavy backlash.) I'm not too sure on which side I am on because most of this IS being settled outside what the internet can see so we have bits and pieces. We can sightly conclude to 'yes he abused people in the workplace' or 'a bunch of people took advantage of a person with a disorder' until all this court stuff is concluded and there's announcements that happens. Man this makes my brain hurt. (Btw I thank so much about you making this vid. Hella good and it helped me keep up to speed. Especially since I didn't pay attention to the stuff back in 2015 cause I was too fixated on the game itself and not what's been goin on behind the scenes and its community.)
I was about to comment this stuff too, Mike Z's lawsuit appeal even went into detail on how some staff would wear inappropriate attire to work and made some other staff feel uncomfortable. That the majority of the staff were long time friends with Mike and they frequently talked with one another and that eventually the staff made a separate Discord server just to shit on him behind his back throw him under the bus and take the company Lab Zero Games for themselves. In all honesty I think the majority of the SkullGirls staff are just terrible people. Not including Alex Ahad or Mike Z tbh, Mike doesn't really strike me as a bad person with malicious intent, just a socially awkward guy who lacks social cues or basic understanding.
I can understand the point you want to make and more or less put something in gray side, but he only coming out having a spectrum of autism after lab zero died. You can search for it if you put "Mike autism" on Google and it will show the tweet which he said it and see that he only did that after lab zero was dead. I think it pretty convenient that he only seek help after lab zero dying and not before where he could seek for medical help. Also I will not say that future club devs are without fault regarding this matter but I don't think they would make a elaborate plan to screw Mike if their relationship wasn't already bad, also the crops on that twitter girl doesn't to be fake since it came out of nowhere when that happen if you remember correctly if you being paying attetion to the game since 2015. The allegations only came out in 2019-2020 if I remember correctly. I know people with personality disord and autism, but none of them really strike as mean spirit as Mike, autism can make people relationship complicated but it doesn't make them a bad person. Mike also made that joke regarding Flyod's case on stream many people went to help and apologize for his behavior. I find odd that the same people that tried to help him also would only turn theirs back to him without a reason. I myself have a personally one that I can't really prove happen where he started berating a person while commenting on stream for no apparent good reason, he said something like "you're not capable to stream my game" and I think he said that that person should never stream SG again. I can't really remember to who he said that but it's something that make remember that there stuff outside of all that are know by the community where the dude is a jerk for sure.
@@tiagocouto887 That is true. It's weird that now he's seeking out medical help even though he should've been doing this before lab zero broke off. It's a chance he was seeking it out because other's pointed out he had some traits of being autistic but he didn't take it seriously/had other priorities until the reports have happened(in Mike's alegal paper). I actually have a little bro that's autistic as well and has a hard time to speak his mind, so it's harder to understand him if you don't know him well enough(also ye he a sweet dude). It's also a possibility that with miscommunications came with bad backlash from Mike Z to the rest of the crew. And yea I've started watching gameplay and tournaments(cause I couldn't afford the game nor had a console to play it on) back around late 2015 early 2016. I remember when I bought indivisible, saw that it was incomplete but it's going to get updates and dlc. But then the reports of Mike being an A in the workplace, stopping any future updates in an 75% completed game kinda bummed me out. That's weirdly how I found out about the allegations when there was only going to be a final dlc update when there was going to be a plethora of updates.
@@Eaten_Fishnuggets Yeah it suck pretty bad, I pre-ordered indivisible and I am still bummed out that it can't be finished. My cousin has bipolar personality and he always seeing more or less distant from myself and his family. His family seek medical attention way before on his teenage years but he suffered a lot. Mike may truly have a spectrum of autism but the relationship with the community (at least the people that being old in the community) pretty much tainted by now.
@@shriderrad4123 Yea the creators never struck to me as bad people either, but do lean on that miscommunication can leave to sour aftermaths. Ahad was able to give a proper answer about the sexism controversy that I side on greatly, but he did draw a very inappropriate animation without telling anyone in the team, which does seem weird. It might've been the same for Mike as well. Where he is a really cool dude but bad at reading the room(example making a joke out of someone's recent death). It went to the point that the side glances leaned into more bad mouthing(whether some of the affiliations are true or not) then into creating a different discord server to try to get him off the team. I've heard that he is in credits in some games(I'm not too sure what) in the dying down of the heat of this controversy which is interesting to hear and raises some questions.
I had a friend who is *Obsessed* with this game to the point that his Discord icon has been the stabby nurse lady since, like, *Years* ago. All I ever knew about it was "Slightly lewd anime girl fighting game" and honestly I gotta say that I am surprised the artist behind the character creations didn't make sure he was working with people as horny as he was. and I say that not as a shot at him for being horny but as also a artist who draws horny or NSFW shit as well. lol and, well, technically I am a game dev first and foremost, but I haven't released a game in years. I guess it also applies to D&D as well... or really any group thing. Look, if you wanna be horny, be horny with others who are also horny, simple.
I'm going to fucking cry... I've been playing Skullgirls for a while now and this is destroying me. I was in a dark place and Skullgirls brought me back to life again and now seeing this... Such an unfortunate game.
Honestly a lot of the censorship other than the red armbands I haven't noticed. I see panties at least 30 times a play session when I play skullgirls mobile on allegedly censored characters. *Presumably* changes made to the main game would cascade onto mobile. The only part I really care about is big bands story.
Nice to know it’s 2024 and skullgirls is still going through hell and back, and it seems the only thing keeping it alive is removing a lot of the charm and original art and soul that the game had, say what you will, taking out content from a game and not replacing it with anything else is just a bad move to the fans.
Its crazy after a few months of this situation i heard they added a new soviet voice pack with a new VA with the marie dlc. Honestly still a fun game with awesome characters just its doomed to be cursed and have something bad happen to them constantly.
This game won't be dying any time soon as longest people whale on the mobile version of Skullgirls. PS: Filia censorship was done so she can join Smash /J
So this was a story of unfortunate fighting game that it’s team backstabbed it’s original creators and the team itself is Twatter snakes that are now actively ruining the game with their questionable decisions
Basically yeah. And the numbers are still as low as ever, even when Marie releases you can bet your sweet bippy that the numbers will STILL stay the same no matter what until its imminent end and the game is dead.
As someone that being playing the game since 2017, the only decision that I can disagree its regarding Band's story mode being changed, all of the others things were things that old players always found odd, didn't like or were neutral to it. To me its make sense removing them since when people started point out them I myself started disliking them. Also the majority of the old team its on the new team. The reason that Mike and Ahad not making part of the new team are different, Mike fired everybody and killed Lab Zero while killing Indivisiable since all the animation team that worked with it also worked with SG for at least 10 years was fired and Future Club was created and started working in the game since SG's IP was sold way back in the day for Atumn Games for multiple reasons. Ahad left through internal team decisions which even Mike was ok with that.
I remeber that time when zone worked with skullgirls...Is soo wierd having zone toon in the project even that person did a flash game about filia and...well the rest is wierd.... Anybody think zone toon looks like peter emo from spiderman 3? Because when i see his model i can´t think about her without thinking about peter emo.
Great seeing an in depth video about SG in this day and age, however, it is missing two key elements: Skullgirls mobile and indivisible, which further complicated things when it came to money... Also, 12:31 bruh it was literally two panty shots, like literally two Anyway, I don't like the dude, but its unfair to the situation that you didn't put the context to the comment mike Z said, the fan he said that to literally started talking about BDSM to HIM!!!!!
Just starting its just for the second comment i have no opinion on the last thought, its mainly for the second one. i agree with the first one, the mobile one was a disaster, still to this day having difficulty of people playing, it just happens to still be alive. But it wasnt actually just the pantyshots they removed, LOTS and LOTS of fan art that was there in the artwork section, they also reworked a lot, so there is no longer some the fanart people did. It did was like punching the fans in the face they literally said no to the content they used to say yes. i agree some pantyshot couldnt hurt but that many its kinda ridiculous.
@@arielbeltranvz9339 yes they altered things and removed exactly 4 fan art pieces, but that was much later. In the patch he mentions on the timestamp I put, only TWO panty shots were removed I would know, I literally made one of the videos about the changes that got featured in this video (albeit without credit)
If you hate censorship then don't complain when someone makes something thats too edgy, other ppl might enjoy it, let them enjoy it and go do something else, Example: Mortal Kombat is to gorey, DOA is too um jiggly? Therefore I play something else, lol SIMPLE
Its honestly a testament to how much the fans kept this alive after 10 years despite its rocky moments. I was there on Twitter during the 2nd wave of censorship and it was basically telling the fans who stuck through the end that their content will be cut because its "UN PC". This was game popularized because its hen tie and style and now after 10 years they have problem while acting like the moral police when their artists ALSO did lewd art!? Lets face it the 2 people who made the game turned out to be jerks and everyone knows they cant make a sequel as evident by the 10 years of little progress. So they desperately try to make it into the mainstream market while erasing the games identity in the first place.
I think it's possible that the 2 people who had the vision of the game were lewd, while they hired a prude crew. And the moment raunchy people were out of way they could work against that vision. Thooo with the limited budget they didn't do all that much. And try to get some marketing through being moral and just by removing problematic content.
They say that Yandere Simulator has a curse of being forever unfinished Isn't this a coincidence that both these games are cursed? They are different curses but they are cursed, and Alex did talk to one of the dev. Pretty suspicious 🤔what does it all mean?
i saw filia and immediately knew what this was talking about. blew my mind bc i rarely get sg related content on my feed (commentary and persona memes galore)
Oh, how terrible, Future Club keeps releasing new characters with the same quality and attention to detail Skullgirls has always been known for, they are killing the game!!! they should have stayed with Mike Z who is clearly not a problematic individual at all... /s
no command list? lmao welcome to the 90's experience, where we all scrawled down what we figured out and gathered from guides and friends in the school yard.
@@phragrunt5680 If this is the thing I saw once, the reality is that it's the parasites as actual characters, so Samson, Avery, Leviathan, etc... Oh and it's fanmade, if you haven't checked yet.
Cursed as in "Why cant anything, ever go right with it for soo goddamn long?!" This game is the equivalent of WH40K lamenters with how much shit its getting put through. Fortunately my jailbreaked ps4 will never get the censor patch of skullgirls.
This game is the best . I love it. The caretachers... the lore...magic , magic . Skullgirls changed my vision of life for the story and I think that nothing can change my opinion . I m the biggest fan of Skullgirls ❤
Future Club at this point pretty much hijacked Skullgirls from the original creators and they still think their censorship was going to be taking with a positive look.... Mike sure was an asshole from what it became know during Lab Zero's death but Ahad the most I seen its him just having a liking to draw sexy characters ( which I respect ) they can still continue without MikeZ but I doubt things will ever be up to quality without the arist that gave birth to the game in the first place in summary the staff left are the type of people who would totally scream at the sight of Ecchi Anime for being ecchi (which is the point) and they probably would hate Kill La Kill (which is amazing, cool as hell, and yeah, the designs are sexy as well, but the best part? it got more than that)
I swear the new skullgirls team is obsessed with making the game something it's not. And i would also like to draw attention to how many children they are adding to the roster. Like it's honestly weird, and it really feels like they're adding their poorly fit OCs into the skullgirls universe, which could explain them being blatantly overpowered on release and still the best characters in the game. I don't like the new dev team, but I don't hate them, they're just really tonedeaf and bad at handling the skullgirls ip.
@@katelawyer3689 still hilarious how badly out of place they feel and that they chose those specific characters. They even dropped the ball with black dahlia, and the whole community had nothing but hype for her.
@@SadToffee Alex had outlined something like 30 characters for the game and the 4 that are coming right now were always part of it (Marie is the final boss), heck I was so hyped for them because of a statement that said that those 4 were the characters needed to fully tell the story mode. The current dev team isn't making any new characters for the lore and thank God because if they did I'm pretty sure it would be an overweight rainbow-colored furry. Now on the balance side, the one that balansed stuff in the game was Mike, the dude for all his faults was a pro fighting game player and I'm pretty sure the new devs still don't even know what a fighting game is, there are a lot of comments on the Marie videos saying "Ok... just by a glance this bitch is busted" and that's coming from the people that just went 'yas queen' to the whole drama, yeah, they need Mike, or at least someone like Mike because unlike Alex, Mike didn't leave a cheat sheet.
@@SadToffee You are reaching very hard because you are literally the first person i've ever seen who has an issue with the DLC characters, anyone that actually plays the game knows how frequently people use Umbrella, Dahlia and Annie lol
Not to mention Annie - the new character they added looks completely out of place. She wouldn't be out of place in Pretty Cure! Skullgirls is supposed to be gritty and sleazy, and a cute magical girl played completely straight just clashes severely. Like, maybe make the knife more vicious looking, put an eye in the handle, make it look like the weapon is controlling the girl. Currently it's just a girl with Australian knife.
When people who don't care about the game take control over a passion project, a cautionary tale on videogame dev, secure your rights, check who you are working with and for the future to not promise anything.
Is the game even with getting cus I was gonna buy it this weekend but now I don't know If I should since I seen a lot of people saying the games dead now
3:13 what was it the new dev team called the original fan base of the game???... something like trash you havent gotten around to throwing out... why is it, that its become the number one most popular tactic for devs, and production companies, to absolutly shit on the fanbase that made them what they are the very people whos support they desperatly need to continue to exist.... i dont undertsand it... 9:03 this is a non issiue, its not like he patched the game to have porn animation in the game... oh what am i saying some puritans will see scantily clad women and shreak that its porn... as if the word has no meaning anymore... heres a better point, without this artist, there wouldint be a damn skullgirls game... the devs threw away half the reason theyre money making game even exists... i call that wrong... and stupid... i dont care if hes hard to work with and that could mean damn near anything from he wouldint let the devs do what ever they wanted with his characters in terms of the cencorship we know theyre into... so i dont have sympathy for them... this sounds much like a witcher tv show situation where you have one important person getitng in the way of a bunch of diluded morrons making terrible sweeping changes to the show... so they teamed up to get rid of him like they did with henry cavil or another diluded group of morrons are trying to do to the actor who plays wensday a minor... and theyre trying to abuse gasslight and bully her into tolerating theyre rape of the character she respects... well i wont side with even the devs if they want to destroy a work theyv been mistakenly left in charge of... i wouldint stand for it even if it was the original artist trying to bastardize theyre own work like with jk rowling.
if youre looking for a fun fighting game and something similar to mvc but more technical without infinites, play skullgirls trust me the grind is worth it, and it shouldnt have received backlash from its "actual community" fun fact, this game has been averaging 200> before and after the censorship, so nothing really changed for the real player base
That’s like going to McDonald’s and ordering a salad, yea you can do it, but it’s still not as healthy and you look like a buffoon, just because it’s common or popular doesn’t mean it’s ok.
The reason the number doesn't change cause they release the censorship update right after Steam summer sales, so yea of course it not gonna affect the number
im surprised there was no inclusion on the forum post and tweet about them making the new censor changes and said they will not discuss any changes with anyone ever and they are staying. :kekw: got damn it was so unnecessary. xD
talking about the sightly controversial character designs. it seems that the women who consider this kind of design sexist, they never heard about games like doom or god of war. where the main character is literally a man with a clearly attractive physique
The only censorships i agree with are the valentine crosses and the red egret armbands (maybe even the panty shots ONLY on filia because shes a minor) but other than that, the censorship wasnt needed. But im still not gonna let it ruin the game for me though.
Ok so since some people arent getting it the reason why the pick in fillias hair is an issue is because back in “the day” black people used there hair as a political stance it symbolized the fact that we were growing and taking back our power and the pick is also a part of that so for it to be in fillias burst was off putting and weird to me the pick isnt “just a utensil” its history theres sooo much more to that but i dont wanna make this long also GREAT VIDEO 👍🏾👍🏾
Okay but why keep the comb in fukua’s hair when she’s literally the black person in this situation?? Trying to remove racism when the racism is STILL present is laughable.
Skullgirls is one of the most unfortunate games ever. Whenever things are looking up for the game, there’s always something that brings it right back down.
It’s a shame because the game itself is AMAZING. It sucks that it has to go through so much trouble.
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Okay, i'm arriving late to the party but I liked the video... Except for the part about Mike Z's removal, which is highly misinformed. He didn't interact with a "fan", it was a popular cosplayer who was outed for being manipulative and abusive called BunnyAyumi, who explicitly messaged him in private to talk about the game by literally bringing up lesbian BDSM, baiting Mike into saying inappropiate stuff, despite him trying this best to not be inappropiate and even asking for her consent to ask personal questions, to which he writes "humans with p*nises" in an attempt to avoid comming off as transphobic since the dude is literally autistic and sucks at communication.
After this incident, a shitstorm ensues where the company backstabs him by organizing to leave together at the same time since Mike Z didn't want to be fired in the same way that happened with Alex Ahad, while making shit up about him to ruin his reputation... All of the proof regarding this is present in the current lawsuit, and the channel Technicals organized all of it in an hour long video discussing the entire timeline of these events in-depth, while also exposing how inconsistent and contradictory all of the accusations against Mike Z are in light of the available facts.
How do you feel about the Dev of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley being doxed?
@@jamesrosewell9081 I'm absolutely disgusted, it was done by a bunch of transphobic losers who believed that the game was nothing more than a "psyop" to entice the masses into liking incest, and that the game would further cause the "downfall of the West"... It's honestly baffling how we can't have games exploring taboo subjects despite a similar controversy taking place decades ago with Rule of Rose, where journalists who never played the game began saying that it's about p*edophilia and sexually harassing minors, as well as killing them (as you might already expect, none of this was part of the game).
I expected the gaming community to mature and learn from mistakes like this, but here we are... Losing our minds over an indie game that doesn't even focuses on incest, while harassing the creator to the point of revealing her personal information without consent.
I was gonna comment a similar thing about this , if im honest i think no one in the dev team of skull girls is normal cuz most women in the dev team were talking menstruation and porn in general and mike was like trying the best to not sound weird as fuck and even avoiding and changing subject
Imagine breaking an NDA for your favorite game just for you to ruin it all by yourself.
Cant believe there was someone that dumb, yet i just seen it
Sorry, I do not care about the opinions of a garbage man: it is *Pointless* to listen to him
True, but it's people like them that are the main reason why video game companies have a policy where they refuse to accept ideas or concepts from fans or other people who do not work for the company, as it can result in such legal situations.
The Skull Heart is truly making this game go through hell and back.
Wait, Skull Heart or SkullGirl?
@@PerryMcCall18 the Skull Heart corrupts the wish of the Skullgirl.
@@AofCastle ahh, okay.
Somebody wished Skullgirl to be completed, and the Skull Heart twisted the desire to make its completion the most miserable experience ever
You hate the new update because they removed parts of the story, I hate it because the funny russian voice guy is no longer there
Real
Real. I missed mike's voice
That and Parasoul feels so bland without the arm band. They could have at least changed it to something else.
yes balls
…what? 👁️👁️are you saying they took away my literal all time favorite fighting game announcer in Skullgirls?!
Is Alex Ahad consultant for future Skullgirl characters? These are his characters and his art style, he should be the one to tell and finish the story, when it is time.
Sadly, he left the outline of like 20 characters, so he kinda left the cheat sheet.
This game comes back from the dead more than the actual skullgirl
the fact that skullgirls is still alive and well after everything it's been through is wild to me, it's lived twice the lifespan of the average fighting game and been through enough development troubles and controversies to kill an AAA game multiple times over yet it's still going strong, and I'm very happy for it. it's truly a one-of-a-kind game and it's always a fun time whenever I boot it up even though I suck. I hope that no matter what else the game has to deal with in the future it'll still pull through
I’m surprised that the censorship controversy wasn’t the last straw
@@Jerome18921 the craziest thing is the censorship controversy basically didn't affect the actual playerbase at all, the game's steam player counts look basically the same before and after. Due to its fundamental design ideas skullgirls is a game that's always going to be causing controversies and its players are used to it at this point, I honestly don't think anything can truly kill the skullgirls playerbase
there are only two absolute with skullgirls : Something will go wrong, and the launch party will never end.
Honestly not just because Alex draws suggestive stuff all the time, its also because people came out about it that he was also lazy with the story and his job. At the time of making Indivisible, there are old videos of Alex Ahad showing what the plot of Indivisible would have been like, but it was him constantly rewriting the story and also not coming into work or even him with his terrible work ethic ultimately lead him to being fired. We don't even see any of what he originally intended in Indivisible's final game. People are saying that Skullgirls needs Alex Ahad to make the game good again, but he hasn't had any sort of relevancy in other works aside from this one, he's sorta just a one hit wonder, random things that he came up with just worked and clicked with this game.
Its such a shame because Indivisible fans cant even get their dlc characters put in due to Mike Z firing everyone
Man, that kinda explains why Indivisible was the way it was.
Minor detail that was not mentionned:
Another part of what was removed includes some of the fanarts and artworks included into the art gallery of the game. As well as some stuff that what was available in the Artbook DLC that people actively paid for.
The people trying to gaslight Skullgirls fans into being okay with being robbed are _wild!_
Parasites, not people
It's always the people outside of the fandom who's voices are louder and care not for the game (nor do they play it).
That's why you keep your communities gatekept.
14:16 Holy shit its me
Doing absolutely nothing until the very last minute and somehow making it worse, sounds pretty on par with Konami
Reminder: Mike Z indirectly caused YandereDev
I knew he reminded me of someone!
He's Mr Incredible to Yandev's Syndrome
His actual biggest crime
Skullgirls is just a bunch of series of It's so over/We're so back magnified into the existence of something.
I CAN get behind the Filia censorship considering she is in fact a teenager, but I feel that it probably would have been better to never make her a 16 year old in the first place.
Just bump Filia to 18 and there's no issue
@@sweetpea644 Exactly, is it so hard to believe she was looking for Carol for at least 2 to even 4 more years? Hell you could’ve told me she was 20 and i’d believe it.
I don't see why 16 is even an issue though, I don't recall her age ever being mentioned in the game and 16 is the age of consent in most of Europe, Canada, and the majority of the USA.
And for the clothes could still make sense because poor Fillia doesnt have money.
@@platinumg.8614that would also explain why her clothes don't fit her, she's been using her same school outfit for years, and obviously a school outfit wouldn't be that revealing
Now what I'm seeing after some digging about Mike's side, he said he was framed with these allegations. The screenshots people gave were cropped, not showing the whole convos that they were the first to bringup these convos and not by Mike(even tho they said he was the one that did). What's even crazier is that an alegal paper by Mike himself (since this is being brought to court) that he's on the autism spectrum(which might somewhat explain why not reading the room correctly has caused some heavy backlash.) I'm not too sure on which side I am on because most of this IS being settled outside what the internet can see so we have bits and pieces. We can sightly conclude to 'yes he abused people in the workplace' or 'a bunch of people took advantage of a person with a disorder' until all this court stuff is concluded and there's announcements that happens. Man this makes my brain hurt. (Btw I thank so much about you making this vid. Hella good and it helped me keep up to speed. Especially since I didn't pay attention to the stuff back in 2015 cause I was too fixated on the game itself and not what's been goin on behind the scenes and its community.)
I was about to comment this stuff too, Mike Z's lawsuit appeal even went into detail on how some staff would wear inappropriate attire to work and made some other staff feel uncomfortable. That the majority of the staff were long time friends with Mike and they frequently talked with one another and that eventually the staff made a separate Discord server just to shit on him behind his back throw him under the bus and take the company Lab Zero Games for themselves. In all honesty I think the majority of the SkullGirls staff are just terrible people. Not including Alex Ahad or Mike Z tbh, Mike doesn't really strike me as a bad person with malicious intent, just a socially awkward guy who lacks social cues or basic understanding.
I can understand the point you want to make and more or less put something in gray side, but he only coming out having a spectrum of autism after lab zero died. You can search for it if you put "Mike autism" on Google and it will show the tweet which he said it and see that he only did that after lab zero was dead. I think it pretty convenient that he only seek help after lab zero dying and not before where he could seek for medical help. Also I will not say that future club devs are without fault regarding this matter but I don't think they would make a elaborate plan to screw Mike if their relationship wasn't already bad, also the crops on that twitter girl doesn't to be fake since it came out of nowhere when that happen if you remember correctly if you being paying attetion to the game since 2015. The allegations only came out in 2019-2020 if I remember correctly. I know people with personality disord and autism, but none of them really strike as mean spirit as Mike, autism can make people relationship complicated but it doesn't make them a bad person. Mike also made that joke regarding Flyod's case on stream many people went to help and apologize for his behavior. I find odd that the same people that tried to help him also would only turn theirs back to him without a reason. I myself have a personally one that I can't really prove happen where he started berating a person while commenting on stream for no apparent good reason, he said something like "you're not capable to stream my game" and I think he said that that person should never stream SG again. I can't really remember to who he said that but it's something that make remember that there stuff outside of all that are know by the community where the dude is a jerk for sure.
@@tiagocouto887 That is true. It's weird that now he's seeking out medical help even though he should've been doing this before lab zero broke off. It's a chance he was seeking it out because other's pointed out he had some traits of being autistic but he didn't take it seriously/had other priorities until the reports have happened(in Mike's alegal paper). I actually have a little bro that's autistic as well and has a hard time to speak his mind, so it's harder to understand him if you don't know him well enough(also ye he a sweet dude). It's also a possibility that with miscommunications came with bad backlash from Mike Z to the rest of the crew.
And yea I've started watching gameplay and tournaments(cause I couldn't afford the game nor had a console to play it on) back around late 2015 early 2016. I remember when I bought indivisible, saw that it was incomplete but it's going to get updates and dlc. But then the reports of Mike being an A in the workplace, stopping any future updates in an 75% completed game kinda bummed me out. That's weirdly how I found out about the allegations when there was only going to be a final dlc update when there was going to be a plethora of updates.
@@Eaten_Fishnuggets Yeah it suck pretty bad, I pre-ordered indivisible and I am still bummed out that it can't be finished. My cousin has bipolar personality and he always seeing more or less distant from myself and his family. His family seek medical attention way before on his teenage years but he suffered a lot. Mike may truly have a spectrum of autism but the relationship with the community (at least the people that being old in the community) pretty much tainted by now.
@@shriderrad4123 Yea the creators never struck to me as bad people either, but do lean on that miscommunication can leave to sour aftermaths. Ahad was able to give a proper answer about the sexism controversy that I side on greatly, but he did draw a very inappropriate animation without telling anyone in the team, which does seem weird. It might've been the same for Mike as well. Where he is a really cool dude but bad at reading the room(example making a joke out of someone's recent death). It went to the point that the side glances leaned into more bad mouthing(whether some of the affiliations are true or not) then into creating a different discord server to try to get him off the team. I've heard that he is in credits in some games(I'm not too sure what) in the dying down of the heat of this controversy which is interesting to hear and raises some questions.
I had a friend who is *Obsessed* with this game to the point that his Discord icon has been the stabby nurse lady since, like, *Years* ago. All I ever knew about it was "Slightly lewd anime girl fighting game" and honestly I gotta say that I am surprised the artist behind the character creations didn't make sure he was working with people as horny as he was.
and I say that not as a shot at him for being horny but as also a artist who draws horny or NSFW shit as well. lol
and, well, technically I am a game dev first and foremost, but I haven't released a game in years. I guess it also applies to D&D as well... or really any group thing. Look, if you wanna be horny, be horny with others who are also horny, simple.
That's a good lesson, work with people who have good rapport with you. Especially if the project is one of passion.
@@Utrilus Mmh, 100%
Several of them acted just as horny as he was, just with hypocritical backstabbing later
*removes both the original creators*
*censors the game*
*says they're making it better*
Hmm, I wonder how this could have happened?
This game can't catch a break.
I'm going to fucking cry... I've been playing Skullgirls for a while now and this is destroying me. I was in a dark place and Skullgirls brought me back to life again and now seeing this... Such an unfortunate game.
Skullgirls is a game that can bend in every direction but can never be broken!
Honestly a lot of the censorship other than the red armbands I haven't noticed. I see panties at least 30 times a play session when I play skullgirls mobile on allegedly censored characters. *Presumably* changes made to the main game would cascade onto mobile.
The only part I really care about is big bands story.
You did not do your research on the Alex and Mike drama at all. Shame on you.
Nice to know it’s 2024 and skullgirls is still going through hell and back, and it seems the only thing keeping it alive is removing a lot of the charm and original art and soul that the game had, say what you will, taking out content from a game and not replacing it with anything else is just a bad move to the fans.
Its crazy after a few months of this situation i heard they added a new soviet voice pack with a new VA with the marie dlc. Honestly still a fun game with awesome characters just its doomed to be cursed and have something bad happen to them constantly.
This game won't be dying any time soon as longest people whale on the mobile version of Skullgirls.
PS: Filia censorship was done so she can join Smash
/J
So this was a story of unfortunate fighting game that it’s team backstabbed it’s original creators and the team itself is Twatter snakes that are now actively ruining the game with their questionable decisions
Yeah basically
Basically yeah. And the numbers are still as low as ever, even when Marie releases you can bet your sweet bippy that the numbers will STILL stay the same no matter what until its imminent end and the game is dead.
As someone that being playing the game since 2017, the only decision that I can disagree its regarding Band's story mode being changed, all of the others things were things that old players always found odd, didn't like or were neutral to it. To me its make sense removing them since when people started point out them I myself started disliking them. Also the majority of the old team its on the new team. The reason that Mike and Ahad not making part of the new team are different, Mike fired everybody and killed Lab Zero while killing Indivisiable since all the animation team that worked with it also worked with SG for at least 10 years was fired and Future Club was created and started working in the game since SG's IP was sold way back in the day for Atumn Games for multiple reasons. Ahad left through internal team decisions which even Mike was ok with that.
The one last thing Skullgirls needs right now. Is a character in a Crossover game. Perhaps Indie Pogo would elect Filia to be in the roster?
I remeber that time when zone worked with skullgirls...Is soo wierd having zone toon in the project even that person did a flash game about filia and...well the rest is wierd....
Anybody think zone toon looks like peter emo from spiderman 3?
Because when i see his model i can´t think about her without thinking about peter emo.
The pharoah's curse
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Great seeing an in depth video about SG in this day and age, however, it is missing two key elements: Skullgirls mobile and indivisible, which further complicated things when it came to money...
Also, 12:31 bruh it was literally two panty shots, like literally two
Anyway, I don't like the dude, but its unfair to the situation that you didn't put the context to the comment mike Z said, the fan he said that to literally started talking about BDSM to HIM!!!!!
Just starting its just for the second comment i have no opinion on the last thought, its mainly for the second one.
i agree with the first one, the mobile one was a disaster, still to this day having difficulty of people playing, it just happens to still be alive.
But it wasnt actually just the pantyshots they removed, LOTS and LOTS of fan art that was there in the artwork section, they also reworked a lot, so there is no longer some the fanart people did. It did was like punching the fans in the face they literally said no to the content they used to say yes.
i agree some pantyshot couldnt hurt but that many its kinda ridiculous.
@@arielbeltranvz9339 yes they altered things and removed exactly 4 fan art pieces, but that was much later. In the patch he mentions on the timestamp I put, only TWO panty shots were removed
I would know, I literally made one of the videos about the changes that got featured in this video (albeit without credit)
@@arielbeltranvz9339 Lalito's talking about the first censoring (which was not problematic imo), not the last one.
@@arielbeltranvz9339 Lots is overstatement, its was like 3, it isn't?
@@arielbeltranvz9339Says the Toby Fox fan
If you hate censorship then don't complain when someone makes something thats too edgy, other ppl might enjoy it, let them enjoy it and go do something else,
Example: Mortal Kombat is to gorey, DOA is too um jiggly? Therefore I play something else, lol SIMPLE
Oh yeah fun fact: the voice actor for Samson dubbed Dio in JJBA and the voice actress for Black Dahlia dubbed Lisa Lisa in JJBA
Japanese voice actor for Beowulf is Jotaro
Thanks guys
Its honestly a testament to how much the fans kept this alive after 10 years despite its rocky moments.
I was there on Twitter during the 2nd wave of censorship and it was basically telling the fans who stuck through the end that their content will be cut because its "UN PC". This was game popularized because its hen tie and style and now after 10 years they have problem while acting like the moral police when their artists ALSO did lewd art!?
Lets face it the 2 people who made the game turned out to be jerks and everyone knows they cant make a sequel as evident by the 10 years of little progress. So they desperately try to make it into the mainstream market while erasing the games identity in the first place.
I think it's possible that the 2 people who had the vision of the game were lewd, while they hired a prude crew. And the moment raunchy people were out of way they could work against that vision. Thooo with the limited budget they didn't do all that much.
And try to get some marketing through being moral and just by removing problematic content.
Man, this game was cool back in the 2020s and then it just, shot itself in the foot. It’s funny to see that they never die somehow
They say that Yandere Simulator has a curse of being forever unfinished
Isn't this a coincidence that both these games are cursed? They are different curses but they are cursed, and Alex did talk to one of the dev. Pretty suspicious 🤔what does it all mean?
i saw filia and immediately knew what this was talking about. blew my mind bc i rarely get sg related content on my feed (commentary and persona memes galore)
I guess I could say that the devs made a promise to the skull heart
a promise to forever curse this game to not-so-well-done updates on the characters and creepy fans in every corner of the game
Did not think George Floyd would make a guest star appearance in a Skullgirls video
Dont worry guys he means "cursed" in development terms
Mike didn't fire everybody from the company, they left by themselves
Honestly, ownership should have stayed with alex and mike, look what they're doing with it now
Oh, how terrible, Future Club keeps releasing new characters with the same quality and attention to detail Skullgirls has always been known for, they are killing the game!!! they should have stayed with Mike Z who is clearly not a problematic individual at all... /s
@pinkjolyne5432 aw, gonna cry?
@@ratedr7845 I'm not the one malding because Mike Z and Alex both got kicked out of Skullgirls while the game is thriving without them
@@pinkjolyne5432 no, but you are sucking the sweat off of their balls
@@pinkjolyne5432 hell yeah thriving with 200 players
no command list?
lmao welcome to the 90's experience, where we all scrawled down what we figured out and gathered from guides and friends in the school yard.
Skullgirls is just, a rollercoaster of a lot of bs, i mean emotions
i wonder if there will ever exist a genderbend version of skullgirls characters...
There is, it’s called Skullguys
@@gangstasonic97573 two questions.
1: Is It official or fanmade?
2: does It have the same chatacters genderbend or totally new male chatacters?
@@phragrunt5680 If this is the thing I saw once, the reality is that it's the parasites as actual characters, so Samson, Avery, Leviathan, etc...
Oh and it's fanmade, if you haven't checked yet.
Cursed as in "Why cant anything, ever go right with it for soo goddamn long?!"
This game is the equivalent of WH40K lamenters with how much shit its getting put through.
Fortunately my jailbreaked ps4 will never get the censor patch of skullgirls.
Who's ready for Marie when she drops on pc/ wait there is no more Russian announcer 😭
Aw hell naw the Skullgirls RUclips essay dropped 💀
why are so many people scared of boobs
Lmfao ikr. It's so childish and trivial. Aaahh female anatomy!!! I'm TERRIFIED!!
This game is the best . I love it. The caretachers... the lore...magic , magic . Skullgirls changed my vision of life for the story and I think that nothing can change my opinion . I m the biggest fan of Skullgirls ❤
I feel that the fillia changes are fine since she’s conically a minor. The story changes are weird and the comb thing is also weird.
Future Club at this point pretty much hijacked Skullgirls from the original creators
and they still think their censorship was going to be taking with a positive look....
Mike sure was an asshole from what it became know during Lab Zero's death
but Ahad the most I seen its him just having a liking to draw sexy characters ( which I respect )
they can still continue without MikeZ
but I doubt things will ever be up to quality without the arist that gave birth to the game in the first place
in summary
the staff left are the type of people who would totally scream at the sight of Ecchi Anime for being ecchi (which is the point)
and they probably would hate Kill La Kill (which is amazing, cool as hell, and yeah, the designs are sexy as well, but the best part? it got more than that)
Alex and Mike were at the heart of this thing. It's probably still a decent game but I don't have it in me to go back to it.
I swear the new skullgirls team is obsessed with making the game something it's not.
And i would also like to draw attention to how many children they are adding to the roster. Like it's honestly weird, and it really feels like they're adding their poorly fit OCs into the skullgirls universe, which could explain them being blatantly overpowered on release and still the best characters in the game.
I don't like the new dev team, but I don't hate them, they're just really tonedeaf and bad at handling the skullgirls ip.
All the new characters were in the games story and lore for years lore umbrella is parasols sister for fucks sakes lol
@@katelawyer3689 still hilarious how badly out of place they feel and that they chose those specific characters.
They even dropped the ball with black dahlia, and the whole community had nothing but hype for her.
@@SadToffee Alex had outlined something like 30 characters for the game and the 4 that are coming right now were always part of it (Marie is the final boss), heck I was so hyped for them because of a statement that said that those 4 were the characters needed to fully tell the story mode. The current dev team isn't making any new characters for the lore and thank God because if they did I'm pretty sure it would be an overweight rainbow-colored furry.
Now on the balance side, the one that balansed stuff in the game was Mike, the dude for all his faults was a pro fighting game player and I'm pretty sure the new devs still don't even know what a fighting game is, there are a lot of comments on the Marie videos saying "Ok... just by a glance this bitch is busted" and that's coming from the people that just went 'yas queen' to the whole drama, yeah, they need Mike, or at least someone like Mike because unlike Alex, Mike didn't leave a cheat sheet.
@@SadToffee You are reaching very hard because you are literally the first person i've ever seen who has an issue with the DLC characters, anyone that actually plays the game knows how frequently people use Umbrella, Dahlia and Annie lol
@pinkjolyne5432 Sorry, I'm reaching... for my own opinion..?
This is an amazing breakdown for someone who makes pizza tower toppin girl animations
Not to mention Annie - the new character they added looks completely out of place. She wouldn't be out of place in Pretty Cure! Skullgirls is supposed to be gritty and sleazy, and a cute magical girl played completely straight just clashes severely. Like, maybe make the knife more vicious looking, put an eye in the handle, make it look like the weapon is controlling the girl. Currently it's just a girl with Australian knife.
What about Sagan?
fillia is hot asf and has the best rule 34 out of the roster tbh.
WHAT this is one of the best games the art is amazing and the music is good aswell
Was*
Now has a shitty dev team
Any updates?
When people who don't care about the game take control over a passion project, a cautionary tale on videogame dev, secure your rights, check who you are working with and for the future to not promise anything.
They actually reduced the Russian voicelines
11:05 BASED
@@Illusionista-p you first retard
Getting rid of the russian announcer was really dumb, when an artist does something bad you dont attack the art, do you?
Been supporting Skullgirls since the beginning. I hope they do offer another set of DLC characters... so I can refuse to support it anymore.
They need to hire a supervisor .
My friends started playing this recently. Help me.
Show them rivals of aether
Or Lethal League Blaze
Show them undernight in birth
Try out Pocket Bravery and if you like it, slip your pals a jimmy with that game.
Trust me, it's super fun!
Is the game even with getting cus I was gonna buy it this weekend but now I don't know If I should since I seen a lot of people saying the games dead now
Scum are still lying about Mike Z even now? Hope his lawsuit does well!
Good vid, please continue
3:13 what was it the new dev team called the original fan base of the game???... something like trash you havent gotten around to throwing out... why is it, that its become the number one most popular tactic for devs, and production companies, to absolutly shit on the fanbase that made them what they are the very people whos support they desperatly need to continue to exist.... i dont undertsand it... 9:03 this is a non issiue, its not like he patched the game to have porn animation in the game... oh what am i saying some puritans will see scantily clad women and shreak that its porn... as if the word has no meaning anymore... heres a better point, without this artist, there wouldint be a damn skullgirls game... the devs threw away half the reason theyre money making game even exists... i call that wrong... and stupid... i dont care if hes hard to work with and that could mean damn near anything from he wouldint let the devs do what ever they wanted with his characters in terms of the cencorship we know theyre into... so i dont have sympathy for them... this sounds much like a witcher tv show situation where you have one important person getitng in the way of a bunch of diluded morrons making terrible sweeping changes to the show... so they teamed up to get rid of him like they did with henry cavil or another diluded group of morrons are trying to do to the actor who plays wensday a minor... and theyre trying to abuse gasslight and bully her into tolerating theyre rape of the character she respects... well i wont side with even the devs if they want to destroy a work theyv been mistakenly left in charge of... i wouldint stand for it even if it was the original artist trying to bastardize theyre own work like with jk rowling.
IT, S THE THOUGHT THAT COUNTS
Vidya Bros says hi
Mike and Alex were 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝓼 and made a 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 game
TurkeyTom mentioned, sub earned.
AWOOGA the best vid on yt
if youre looking for a fun fighting game and something similar to mvc but more technical without infinites, play skullgirls
trust me the grind is worth it, and it shouldnt have received backlash from its "actual community"
fun fact, this game has been averaging 200> before and after the censorship, so nothing really changed for the real player base
don't know wy thta's in quotes, like nit or not, they're stripping it of it's identity
That’s like going to McDonald’s and ordering a salad, yea you can do it, but it’s still not as healthy and you look like a buffoon, just because it’s common or popular doesn’t mean it’s ok.
@@ratedr7845 its identity is being a predecessor to mvc2/mvc, not fucking softcore pornos
The reason the number doesn't change cause they release the censorship update right after Steam summer sales, so yea of course it not gonna affect the number
even before that, number still doesnt change@@nickylag3912
186k? hell yea i am not sure you remember me
I’m want to get back in to skull girls
My brain can't handle this
Lore of The Most Cursed Game Ever Made momentum 100
I came here from that Tomato topping girl video
"Juju on that list"😂
And later on the story there was a big band a jojo reference:3
Who knew ripping off Tukey Tom would pay out so well, keep doing the good work.
im surprised there was no inclusion on the forum post and tweet about them making the new censor changes and said they will not discuss any changes with anyone ever and they are staying. :kekw:
got damn it was so unnecessary. xD
Remember me after 2 year ago 6:40
are there problems with the changes: yes.
Will these problems ever be properly addressed: No because people are still mad about filia's changes
talking about the sightly controversial character designs. it seems that the women who consider this kind of design sexist, they never heard about games like doom or god of war. where the main character is literally a man with a clearly attractive physique
I'm a woman and a skullgirls fan, always loved the designs tbh, I just didn't like the sexualization of Filia in particular due to her being a minor
@@Illusionista-p nah i'm not surprised i've seen a lot of dramas about creep stuff. btw thank you to make me remember why i hate rule 34
ofc, I'm honestly assuming people who call skullgirls a sexist game haven't played it or looked into the story at all@@phragrunt5680
The only censorships i agree with are the valentine crosses and the red egret armbands (maybe even the panty shots ONLY on filia because shes a minor) but other than that, the censorship wasnt needed. But im still not gonna let it ruin the game for me though.
well said and I completely agree
Noppino
Wot?
My my my
It’s both
Honestly idc abt the censorship
Ok so since some people arent getting it the reason why the pick in fillias hair is an issue is because back in “the day” black people used there hair as a political stance it symbolized the fact that we were growing and taking back our power and the pick is also a part of that so for it to be in fillias burst was off putting and weird to me the pick isnt “just a utensil” its history theres sooo much more to that but i dont wanna make this long also GREAT VIDEO 👍🏾👍🏾
Nah bro. I just comb my hair with it. It's not that deep. 🤓🤓🥸
@@Critical_N wow the funniest comment out here
Okay but why keep the comb in fukua’s hair when she’s literally the black person in this situation?? Trying to remove racism when the racism is STILL present is laughable.
@@N0R1. something here is telling me you have no clue what ur talking about im going to need you to elaborate
The Russian voices are back
Huh. Neat.
I love it game still playing the game is so good I like to make game and when to join 😀
nuh uh