Why Physical Games Are Going Extinct
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In just a decade, video games have shifted from being things you own, to software you rent. Will subscription services finally eliminate game ownership?
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@@witidsgo the open source way
how can be so smart and make video's on important topics like not owning games
yet push actually spyware on ur users
opera is spyware and been proven many time, shamme on you
And there goes your credibility down the drain...
so keeping my personal data is holding me back?
It's nice to see the industry promote piracy again.
Yes lmao
Remember that one quote that gabe gave on piracy?
“One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It's a service issue,”
Its happening all over again.
@@leifmochi5082 you're not wrong, also gabe is the best
@@leifmochi5082 it's also a pricing issue at some point.
@@leifmochi5082 I suspect if game prices tomorrow suddenly went up by $100, it would matter
Call me old but I’m still advocating for physical media ownership. I don’t like the idea to have my stuff being pulled away from me just because they feel like it. The money you earn it’s done by hard work and actual time that you won’t get back.
They'll find a way to take your stuff even with physical copies
Drm still exists for physical copies. Like install limits. Needing to connect online, while installing. Things of that sort exist. Which may or may not have certain work arounds out there. Physical at least for gaming. Is not perfect. Unless you know it drm free and if something is drm free, well it stops mattering if it physical or digital at that point. For as long as you can back up a copy and install it. Without being force to update. Bang winner. For emulators which normally take place digitally, are often seen as great way to keep old games alive companies no longer care about. I think the main issue is just drm. Since drm can equally screw someone over, be it physical or digital. Unless we are talking about physical books. In the case of books, yeah they are just a safer bet. Since by default you always own them.
There have been a ton of physical copies that require connection to a server to validate or to become functional with a day 1 update.
Well as long as you aren't violating any of steam's TOS or companies that deletes inactive accounts (Ubisoft). I think subcriptions is fine. Your money won't be wasted if you play the cards right.
Agreed. I still buy CDs, Blu Ray and 4K movies/TV shows, and physical game discs. We do subscribe to a few streaming platforms (Netflix, Disney +/Hulu, Paramount +, etc.), but that's primarily for my wife. If it was just me I could do without all of them and happily stick with my physical media. I realize I may be one of the outliers in this regard, but the day gaming goes strictly subscription or strictly digital is the day I bow out and just stick with what I have.
As a gamedev, even if the industry focuses on subscription only stuff, I'll always put an option to buy a copy, at least digital, physical if possible.
It's yours and you can do whatever you want with it, independently of any service that may go down in the future.
If it is a physical copy, then it will last as long it exists, like a book.
Did you ever sign a publishing contract in your life? You will have no right to sell your game as a digital or physical copy. The future gaming platforms will make sure that they have exclusive rights to your game, otherwise your game will not be promoted by the platform
@@googlekopfkind never seen that happening where you have zero choice like you described. There are some platforms exclusives sure, but I don't get in what situation your game project can't be sold in other formats? Only if that contract has that requirement/limitation, it is something you have to agree with. You can always reject or negotiate.
Subscription might become more popular, but it will never be the only option.
@@f11botyoh'Ohh
@@googlekopfkindContracts are usually on non-exclusive rights to distribute digital copies and licenses, not copyright ownage.
@@f11bot The larger the publisher, the more likely it is that you can't avoid an exclusive contract. If in the future, all gamers only obtain their games through platforms, which is practically the case already, developers will become entirely dependent on getting their game on a platform. Of course, it's not in the interest of these platforms to continue granting developers selling rights especially when there is a subscribtion model. The publishers are already taking advantage of us, but the platforms truly have everything under control, and the big publishers have made deals with them. Anyone who believes that everything will turn out well is completely naive. The platforms are crushing us.
Call me old-fashioned but as a collector, I'd like to have a physical copy on my bookshelf.
That and your access can't be revoked unless it's an online only game.
In today's day and age, video games are way to big to be printed on discs and will require you to be online and download the game which is sad to see
@@Bigthebomb then stop making open world with all HD textures, make more linear titles
even just make more 2D games
@wedoalittletrolling723 That's why we have indie titles
Hell no. I have enough storage for big games.
"Here, kid; try this. First one's free." -- Every pusher ever
Yep
I never jumped on the subscription train for any media. I prefer to buy my games and movies outright, either digitally or physically, because I know that I OWN them.
The only subscription I've done is temporary subscriptions to music streaming services. When I stumble across an artist I like, I'll go through their discography and find the stuff that is worth owning. I'll then go buy copies of their good material on vinyl or bluray-audio or FLAC/WAV, if a physical version doesn't exist.
@@WyvernsAreDragons Physical media does not consume very much space at all. It's also exponentially cheaper and more socially responsible.
People purchase digital goods because they are unwilling/incapable of thinking through their purchases.
Digital goods only provide value to people between the ages of 16-24. Everyone else that buys this stuff is more than likely making an objectively incorrect decision.
@@WyvernsAreDragons You are not constrained for space in such a way that would limit your ability to store physical media. You can throw out these absurdities all you want - it won't make it reality. You don't know what you are talking about. The people you reference are extreme examples that buy everything that gets released indiscriminately. It's laughable to suggest that that is representative of the format. And if the first place your mind goes to is...
"I can't buy physical! There'd be too many movies to store!" then you have a bigger problem than getting over your refusal to think through your spending; it sounds like you're engagement with media is just generally unhealthy.
@@WyvernsAreDragons Whatever you say Pay Pig.
Imagine buying a story game only to then later collect dust in the library. I think gaming subscription is genius. Pay once to get access to a library of games. You really do get value for the dollar although you don't own it, it's still hard to sell 1 copy worth 60 dollars for a story game but it's easier to sell the same game for 1 month for 6 dollars, the value is same but the difference is I can experience it once and it doesn't collect dust. I always cancel subscription on every store because you never know if I want the same service next month. I think steam should consider doing this model for their store. I don't need to own the game to experience it, plus the money you save will be amazing. Not only that but you can control which month you want to play the game let's say you're busy in September then don't need to buy it then but let's say December is a holiday just pay 6 bucks and enjoy Christmas with all the games you ever want. It's genius to be honest.
This is exactly why GOG games is really important, you own all the media you have, and they work hard to keep it all up to date and working on newer systems. Honestly I feel if subscriptions become the norm, and even steam steps away from their current model, then GOG is the last hope
I think what is an important thing to mention, the thing that most people don't realize, is that you don't even own games on Steam. Yes, you bought them for full price, but Steam is just a library for "your" games. If Steam suddenly stopped existing, you have no right to want your games back. I really recommend reading Steam's terms of conditions. In other words, the only way how you actually own your game is to buy the game physically.
@@garadosix25 ah yeah I commented to soon. Again, GOG remains equal compared to physical though. As long as you store the gamefiles on a backup, it can't be taken away as it's DRM free. So the backup would function as a gamedisc binder :)
@@iRywohere is my take on it. I disagree with the author of video from minute 13th. Vinyl is back because people want physical albums. He does not want it has not statistical meaning. Sure physical media will be pushed to a niche and will become collector items.
Game preservation is important. Currently I’m a Game Pass Ultimate subscriber as I used the convertion from gold (meaning got it cheaper), I see the value in this service but when it will run out I will think multiple times before buying it for 17$ a month.
I fully agree that DRM Free for PC (consoles are a different market and game preservation there might be more troublesome) is what should be praised. I have like 200 games and demos on GOG. I will speak loud and praise publisher/dev studio like Larian which had a big commercial success with game being on GOG day one with no drm (Baldurs Gate 3). I will even give Sony some credit for putting their games on GOG. People might hate Amazon due to more than 40 controversies but Prime Gaming being part of Prime subscription had something like 15 to 20 games for which they provide GOG keys, and all games I tried from the Amazon game app are drm free (I copied the installed game and run it on a different pc, with alternative client you do not even have to install their app). In the past two years there was a lot of classic games I missed and have not played (now safely backed up on my external hard drive)
I used abandonware sites to play some games from early nineties I played as a kid (though this is a gray zone).
Another point I do not agree with with subscriptions is that it is cheaper 17$ a month gives us 204$ a year. So this is either 3 big game releases a year or in case someone does not have FOMO this is ten older (but they still can be good) games where each costs 20$.
The gaming industry in the last decade conditioned me not to trust it and buy games only on sales. I pay less and I have fun, so I do not see a problem. Not to mention that even if from today I was only left with what I have purchased (physically and digitally) I have more than a good few years of gaming (I would finally played some games which are just waiting to be played).
Have a nice time gaming!
@@iRywo Don't forget that you can do the same with Steam games that ARE DRM FREE.
I hope GOG has a local payment I cant buy games locally
my main problem with this industry shift is that its vindictive of the world we live in.
These companies are doing what they find to be more profitable, and it just so happens to align with us at the moment.
But these companies are driven by profits that *must* go up. So once we're all safe and subscribing - the next logical step is putting ads in their storefronts, and ads inside the games. Its already happened with mobile gaming, and i fear that's the direction these companies are going to take to writhe you of more money. An industry-wide subscription model works only when its regulated and the things you get out of it are the same quality as they were before. And we know that will not happen. Its often not profitable to make a good game - as making art takes time, time big corporations wont give any care to when they get money simply for existing as a service.
That's my worry with this shift, not the lack of owning games -
but the lack of ability to enjoy the hobby without forking over an arm and a leg to 5 or 6 different corporations to play the games I enjoy. -
and forever reminiscing on the days when games were a form of artistic expression, instead of the bottom line for a CEO.
If it reflects the movie space at all. Good games driven by artistic expression are going to become few and far between.
People in 2045: God, remember when you didn't have to pay to rent the stuff you get out of lootboxes?
@@fav843
People in 2045: "damn...remember when you were allowed to own and drive a e-bike, OR EVEN A REAL CAR? or when we didnt have to eat strawberry flavored cockroaches?
damn, those were the days..."
@@faustinpippin9208 cockroaches, cockroaches are for the "wealthy". The masses are eating the recycled left overs of those dishes and stomach cancer causing millet, etc stuff that makes current day dumpster diving, something people will reminisce about being the good old days.
Look into the food recycling - flour and beer, etc. Although, there's people out there paying a premium for female yeast beer now, so maybe a certain niche of beer drinkers clearly don't care.
Assuming they don't just end up killing off the poor starving target audience with a massive salmonella or similar outbreak in their attempt to do something besides compost and energy. Right now your neighbors moldy, saliva'd scraps are what people are actually looking into. I learned about the green waste recycling directly from my local sanitation department, as they have rolled out new sorting rules. The government is already inserting themselves as a dumpster diving middleman, selling to the corps to test as free food to poor today and sell to the next rung up the poverty ladder, tomorrow.
Yup
Music & Movie subscription likes Spotify & Neftlix can be success & profitable because each music only 5 minutes & each movie only 2 hours, so you can hear & see many times per month. So you feel satisfaction per month. Meanwhile video game normally last 20 hour, 30 or even 50 hours of gameplay. How many can you play game per month ? Not satisfy pay per month
If this ever happens I'll just go back to playing old games.
One of my main problems of subscription gaming are the timed title limitations. I want to play the games I want to play, not be told what I can by a service.
And don't want to be pushed by a limitation to finish the game faster, drains enjoyment out of it
that's stupid. Noone is restricting you from buying that game you enjoy after it's dropped from a subscription
@@manbat4582 I'm sorry, so now I'm supposed to afford a subscription service alongside buying full price titles?
It seems you didn't really watch the video you're commenting under sir.
I can assure you will 'own' my games. HDD is a penny a gig and I know a really fit-girl.
based and torrentpilled
BASED!
fucking based
and fitgirl plays Ovagames 👍
Wtf are you talking about?
Nintendo will hopefully continue to make cartridges. We can actually own our stuff.
Let's take MGS Collection volume 1 on Switch as an example: Only the MSX and NES games are on the cartridge.
The day the servers stop, you lost 3 games with that cartridge alone...
Every time a game ships with a bug and update or additional downloadable content (not talking DLC here), you either own an incomplete game, a broken game, or both.
Wipe your systems (XBOX One, Xbox Series, PC, PS4, PS5 and Switch) and emulate the future by not plugging it to the internet. Now try to see how many games play from start to finish...
Physical games died a decade ago, whether you like it or not. Unless a physical copy is cheaper than its digital counterpart, you have no reason to buy physical anymore.
And "but if I want to sell it?!" isn't a good argument... Remember, your goal was to keep it to begin with...
People buying physical games thinking that they are owning them or trying to preserve them really don't have a single clue about what's going on.
The future of gaming for old games is emulation. It's roms/isos etc.
I was a console modder for years, let me tell you a little fact: a third of all disc drive that are 25 years old are dead already. 25 years old discs are only working in appearance, they're actually rotting away. Game cartridges aren't immune either. A Carrington event would wipe them ALL in a single day unless they are kept in a Faraday cage.
If you believe that you own some games because you have cartridges or discs of them, you're mistaken. For you to play those that are truly yours, you will need a console... The Switch is only a few years old, maybe their APU will start dying en masse soon and in 10 years from now, finding a Switch that works will be impossible.
Stop wasting your money on cartridges with the assumption that they are any different.
Just search "cartridge repair" here on youtube to realise that NES, SNES, MD etc cartridges are already dying...
Most games bigger than 32 gb aren't even on the micro SD cards. They give you a code like with the Batman Arkham collection. I highly doubt it unless it's indie games.
Meanwhile a online digital distribution platform known as GOG exists. They actually give a damn about everyone who's a gamer and puts us first and our right of ownership before everything else. They don't do anything DRM related and let you keep your games even when your Internet goes offline.
GoG is awesome! @@TheSilverShadow17
the cartridge has too much limitations. Maximum 32gigs? Most games these days are 100gigs+. I think cartridges are holding back Nintendo, hopefully they will start using discs again soon.
Subscription services do NOT make games cheaper or more available, they are exponentially more expensive than buying a physical copy and can and will dissappear and grow more broken over time. Same goes for every other media service.
To say this, you have to have never thought of how you spend money. You will not consume everything that is on the service, as a matter of fact quite a few people rarely even boot up their subbed services, they just subscribe and delete their money on a fixed schedule.
Thats why its cheaper to spend 260$ on a 18t hard drive.
They completely ignore people that cannot afford internet connection to download games digitally.
Cheaper if you play a lot of games not cheaper if you only play the same few games will be cheaper in the long run to just buy the,.
@@cosmicsvids A 18t drive is good for movies/videos/music as well.
yea thats true at first it looks like subscriptions are the cheaper option but as timme goes on it will become just as expensive as buying games is
but hey we cant do shit about it and i dont really have any problem with the shift to subscriptions
I just want the option to have a physical copy, and the option to own what I buy.
Beyond just gaming, subscription services in general need to be HEAVILY regulated, with strict and clear consumer protections that mandate companies provide services. The model fundamentally upends the health of the economy.
In nearly every single industry, so called "market disruptors" come in with the sole goal of aggressively undercutting legacy businesses, forcing those competitors out of the market, then steadily increasing their prices to match or exceed what consumers were originally paying. Streaming, food delivery, ride sharing, and lodging are just the most obvious examples.
Y u can kinda see it with epic games trying to bite down on steam hopefully steams to big for epic to get a foothold
I may be a novice as to what's going on but the term "arket distributur" sounds, well exactly how it sounds. Fraudulent.
I think what is an important thing to mention, the thing that most people don't realize, is that you don't even own games on Steam. Yes, you bought them for full price, but Steam is just a library for "your" games. If Steam suddenly stopped existing, you have no right to want your games back. I really recommend reading Steam's terms of conditions. In other words, the only way how you actually own your game is to buy the game physically.
That was mentioned in the video.
It depends on thre country you are in. In the EU, you do own your Steam games.
Physical is the best why would i want to subscribe if i only play a few games plus if i wanted to try a game why dont they make demos that use to be the go too
Steam/Valve will die with Gabin. Mark my words.
just to let ya know... yes you cant "own" them outside steam if ya know just what you are doing my 7 days to die, empyrion and space engineers skips steam because i know what im doing unlike these 20yr olds
I don't see myself ever buying an all digital console.
I have found that the subscription model has become more and more unappealing. Last thing I have a subscription to is Playstation plus and that won't be renewed when it's up because of sonys ridiculous price hike. I used to be subscribed to loads of things. You know when they were best value.
The only subscription worth is humble choice.
I personally love the subscription model because it introduces me to a lot of games I never would have tried with a cheaper price.
And then when I love a game, I buy it so that I own it. It's the best of both words. Game pass offers me discount for all games as well so it's cheaper too.
I don't get the hate for subscription services as long as they are optional. You can still buy and own games if you want.
@@soniccontinuum2612cheaper my ass you have that subscription for long enough you could have used the money wasted for a home
@@soniccontinuum2612 people don’t like subscription services because they fear the same thing that happened to movies and TV show will happened to gaming. The subscription service takes over and becomes the main way people consumes media, while the physical version slowly goes the way of the dodo, and new media are created exclusively for the service, so there’s truly no way to legally own it.
And honestly, this is probably the direction gaming is going.
@@steveqi9309
You know how much money Xbox would lose if they lock games behind Gamepass only. Not to mention third party devs would be furious if they are forced to release their games in subscription services only. And they will release their games only on competitors.
Also Xbox said they won't do that ever, I will be the first to criticize them if they changed their mind. And the backlash would be great from most people.
I won't worry about a hypothetical scenario before it happens.
For me, I often stick to the same 20ish games, and every now and then I get a new one. So I still *very* much prefer owning games. It's much more cost effective for me to just buy a game once instead of having to continuously pay for it.
The same applies to other things as well. My favorite show is Parks and Recreation, and I wasn't too happy when that got taken off of Netflix. I could pay for some other streaming service that has it, but why do that when I can instead get the DVD set (which also includes many bonus features).
I know these services are good for those who like a much wider variety of shows/games/etc, but for someone like me who likes to stick to something for a long period of time, owning something is much better
The same is true for everyone, it's just a matter of sitting down and asking yourself, "What media do I actually want on hand?"
If you did ask yourself that question, then you buy physical media.
If you didn't, then you might end up purchasing a subscription because you are 'getting such a good deal on a bunch of content' - that you were never going to touch or even lay eyes on anyway.
I looked through the D+ catalogue and identified the stuff I would actually set aside time to watch. To purchase the blurays for everything I cared about on the service, it was equivalent to paying subscription fees for 2 years. So obviously I just bought the blurays which have a shelf life of around 80 years and are not reliant on a 3rd party provider to use.
Subscription services ONLY offer value to young college students - those between the ages of 18-25 - who will pay for the service for a handful of years while their life is in flux and never touch it again after their life stabilizes.
People younger or older than that should not be using these services.
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As a pirate, I can't relate. I'm a developer myself, I would never use an abonnement model. While it is a constant source of income, it is horrible for the user. I will also never use a drm.
F*ck corporate greed. The user is king
The day the game industry shifts entirely to digital only with no other options is the day i quit this beloved hobby of mine.
I really fear of the cloud compute boom. Stuff like Logitech G Cloud really makes me think that in future it could be illegal to buy and own a damn computer...
Making it illegal to own a computer would be nearly unenforceable because RISC-V , Linux, and critical infrastructure based on computers exist.
Sane leadership (even with modest corruption) would not see that in their best interests as they’d lose a lot of businesses or have revolts from other cash cows. If you have a totally insane leadership, then you’d either have a black market of RISC-V based phones being the worst kept secret in the country or so much oppression that it would be a revolution.
@@studiesinflux1304 , well, they've already tried to block encryption in UK, while telling excuses like "child safety"... people up in the sky are already out of their minds and that's the scariest part
@@studiesinflux1304 small correction and the gov will love it:
(only private people can't own a real pc (only a thing that can do pc stuff but needs to be connected to the "central PC")
they would absolutely love the control and ease of spying on everyone and blocking you from seeing content they dont want you to see
i bet this will happen after all the people are forced into living in big dense cities in their 20m^2 flats
so far all my conspiracy theories came true :(
That's so fucking stupid I can't even begin to explain how ridicolous the entire concept is.
What are you smoking? I want some
I'm totally okay with options like Gamepass if they are that, *options*, and not the solely way to play games. I'm still a gamer that like to buy its hard copy and have my own collection
Xbox has made it clear that they don't want it to merely be an option.
im fine with buying indie games digitally but pretty much every triple AAA game ive bought is physically.
All of them came out broken and required a day one patch. Some of them even require an internet connection... In other words, as soon as the servers stop, these discs will not play. Also, disc drives and discs should be seen as AAA batteries, they have a quite short lifespan. Try to find a reliable PS1 and tell me how it went... That console is barely 30 years old...
Buying discs only buys you the impression of owning something. Also, why would anyone buy a AAA game nowadays is beyond me...
@@SLRModShopELDEN ring? Armored core 6? Baldurs gate 3? Tears of the Kingdom? Triple AAA gaming is in a pathetic spot but there have been great AAA games this year
@@BillThePickle google each of these and add the words "patch notes" after the name of the game. You will see, in the future, you'll be better off playing with patched iso files than the actual games.
Buy physical if you want, but it's pointless in terms of preservation.
Every single game you mentioned has had patches, I just checked.
As to your point that these are great games, 2 of them are Dark Souls clones, they are definitely good but not to everyone's taste.
One has a bear and a human having sex... I mean... Every buyer should be on a FBi list of some kind if you ask me...
Tears of the kingdom is basically Zelda Nuts and Bolts, which is fine by me as I'm a big fan of Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts but I thought that the gaming community had come to the conclusion that not doing this kind of changes to a well established franchise was a bad thing...
Kind of double standard on that one... I think that a few million people owe an apology to Rare Software... :)
People should start supporting GOG more its Drm free which means you actually own the games you buy
That's why i always buy my games there.
Except a lot of GOG games have DRM by now, Cyberpunk (and CDPR and GOG are under the same owners mind you), Cult of the Lamb and many more.
@@definitelynotacyborg Cyberpunk has no DRM... Every game on gog is drmless. WTF
@@dark_cobaltit really isn't, try running Cyberpunk without GOG Galaxy, you can't. Even the downloadable installer files are tied to accounts. It isn't the kind of DRM that Denuvo is but it is DRM nontheless and it is creeping more and more into GOG games. And what I mean tied into accounts, I originally got the GOG installers from my friend for Cyberpunk and while logged into my GOG account on GOG Galaxy it synced up with HIS SAVES. Also the game actually has a few documented crash states for times when you somehow manage to run it without Galaxy. I ended up buying it on GOG but it is a lie that it is DRM free. Most of their library is, but it is not all of them by far.
The DRM freeness of old GOG made it exceptionally easy for pirates to just buy games, download the installer files, ask for a refund, upload it to sites and it would work no issues. Nowadays a lot of newer GOG titles have some form of less-invasive DRM enabled.
@@definitelynotacyborg this makes no sense. Their platform is named for their nom DRM policy.
With gaming its a bit like a tv show or movie series on Netflix, when you're right in the middle of a game and it leaves the subscription service what then? What about when you really want to play a game and you can't find it on any subscription service because those subscription services deem it not worth the license? Subscription based services for games have a couple of benefits but personally I think it has more cons than pros
I really hate the new trend of anti-consumer practices masquerading as convenience, and everybody is falling for it.
@@junfaatell me about it
spoiler alert, any games you bought on Steam, you don't technically own those copies. Different story with GOG, you get to own the copies of the games you purchase.
You can still play games even if they're removed from the store, but ofc the system shuts off it's gone, not that physically games will survive since they'll have to be online all the time to play
Steam can still launch in offline, so your downloaded games will always be there. It's different for the owned but not installed games.@@DanteCrowlley
@@DanteCrowlley i think he means legally you literally don't really own the game.. ie if Valve said "fuck off, plebs" Geralt of Rivia style then you'd have to forfeit ur right to play The Witcher despite having 'owned' it
spoiler alert i know how to by pass steam crap at the age of 50 so yes infact i do own what i bought and can play it even without steam and it dont even bother EAC we just know what we are doing unlike script kiddies
Realistically though Steam isn't going to go under in the next 20 years or ban your account for no reason so its not really a issue for most people. I love GOG but the games they offer is very limited compared to Steam sadly
guess im back playing my ps2 and dreamcast
I'll rather pay the pirates to crack a game than to pay for video game subscription service.
Respect!
Same if I enjoy a game will happily buy it in hopes to support sequels or future games from that developer but if im forced to use a sub service they have lost me
@@Bargate Yeah, I've done that too with numerous games.
Game prices are rising in Brazil, even indies are becoming expensive, without gamepass I would never play Jusant or Maquete or Cocoon; but if they do become cloud only I wil fully become a retrogamer.
Me who pirates: Oh no, anyway.
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Due my third world economic problems, I got full PC on Steam since its cheaper for a moment, cuz everytime dollar goes up the prices follow, the tendency is to get worst every year until only dollar users can have access to Steam n games legally
It’s pretty horrible to think that we won’t own our games. Look at Alan wake 2 they didn’t release it physical i don’t understand why not.
Why is everyone talking like it's something that will happen in the future?! Physical died a decade ago with day one patches, patches, additional day one content (like Spyro, MGS etc)
@@SLRModShopthen why do they still make physical games?
To avoid backlash. To maintain the illusion (which is working GREAT!). To avoid people realising that they have no reason to therefore switch to Steam/GOG.
My comment wasn't very elaborate, because I can't be arsed to repeat the same thing over and over again. Basically, here are some truth nuggets:
Having a disc or a cartridge is no different from buying digital in probably 75% of cases. The only upside that I can think of is resale value.
Which contradicts physical media enthusiasts' best argument: preservation.
Feel free not to believe this but the current state of preservation of games globally is currently 0% (zero, no typo).
I worked with consoles (retro and modern), none of it will survive 2050, maybe 2100 if we're extremely lucky.
All those roms? Don't count on them. I could go into why but you'll think I'm just making science up on the spot to win a pointless internet argument. Instead, I'll point you in the direction of the "Carrington event".
Look into that (the Carrington event), you'll see, it's an interesting thing to know in general. It'll make you realise that "gaming preservation" is the biggest lie this community has ever partaken in.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for physical and preservation. But my opinion on either won't change these facts: physical is an illusion, preservation is currently a lie.
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@@johnnyknadler1157 they won't soon. They know there will be an outrage if they did it right now, so they are slowly doing it. PC pretty much already achieved it. Console are going step by step, like offering "digital only" alternatives for their consoles, and making game discs hold less and less of the actual game and putting the rest into an update. I give it 2-3 generations before disc copies are gone.
@@dumbyoshi That’s true, but they were saying physical died, not dying.
I will own everything and I will be happy.
That's the spirit lol
I agree that the changes to Unity's price model are going to be critical once we move to cloud gaming. The CEO retiring might just a show to quell people's anger while they push their price model anyways, and maybe a lot of devs will really move to open source engines Godot like Mega Crit.
I’m still calling this. They’re trying to kill off indie because they know they can’t stuff indie behind a paywall as well.
@@_alux_689 At the end of the day corporates will be corporates, and honestly from their perspective if they can leverage their presence in the game dev scene it's a gold mine for Unity. My worst fear is that indie development schedules will be pushed back for years because of engine migration.
PS Plus!
Free exclusive content for PS Plus members in April!
I love how these companies have the gall to advertise "free content" when it is only available for paying members. It's literally paid content!
It's like punching someone in the face and then saying "No, it wasn't me. And even if it was me, it wasn't a punch; it was a gentle caress."
Oh cry me a river. You know the difference between free to play and included with service. Stop whining and grow up.
Gamers should just start buying from GOG or Indie Gala and itch instead of Steam. I really like Steam, and it does offer some DRM free games, but it's not the same thing as actually owning a copy of the game. That's also why I have a list of all the titles I have on Steam, so if they get taken out I can just sail the seven seas and get what I paid for.
I would much rather buy a game license on steam and play when I want than paying monthly for a subscribtion even tho I might not even play the games they offer. And I don't think I will violate Steam's TOS anytime soon. I hate subscribtion services. The risks are not worth it.
What’s the difference though really?
@@JustmeIguess The difference is that I don't get charged when I am not playing. I would much rather pay 20$ once and play when I want than paying like 10$ a month even tho I play it twice a year. (That was exaggerated, but I think you get my point)
To each their own, I prefer subscription services because they offer me a way to play a lot of games that I wouldn't otherwise be interested in for a much cheaper price. Thats how I got introduced to Hollow Knight for example.
This year alone, I got dead space remake, Lies of P, Forza, persona 5 tactical and like a dragon Gaiden. All of which are at least 60 dollars. And I can buy the ones I love if I want to in the future.
As long as they are optional, I don't see the harm.
@@soniccontinuum2612 Lets hope they will stay optional
Dunno about anyone else but there is no way I would ever bother with getting my games on a subscription based service and if things changed to where this was the only option, I would just sail the high seas of the innernets and do so without any guilt.
The gaming industry will suffer just like movies and everything else thats being destroyed in 2023
If they do it, I will stop spending any money at all and only sail the high seas.
For today im glad that im an south american because me, my neighbor, my school, the police and even people working in the government sail the high seas when it comes to getting and using any kind of software at all☠🏴☠️
My main issue with games going all digital and thru subscription services is how gaming isn't like other mediums.
On paper yeah it makes sense for gaming to follow suit with movies and music but feel gaming has more collective group of individuals that wants to own their games more than the market that wants to own movies and music.
Yes majority prefer buying digital however feel in an ideal world physical and digital should coexist cause gaming subscription services offer great value to those that want to try games while the more dedicated gamers can relish in owning a game they can keep no matter if it gets pulled off storefronts.
Exactly.
Movies, music and TV Shows are static entertaiment "
Games on the other hand you have a saying to what happend on the screen.
There is nothing wrong with digital in itself but never replacement "
No reason for digital and Phycical media to coexist.
Its about opinions.
Do not forget Microsoft orginal plans for xbox one backfired badly "
At the end of the day its we the consumers who decide this "
We speak with our wallet.
Not Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo or any other coperations.
The streaming market desperately needs a correction. There are way to many subscription services out there.
For starter, they should stop monopolyzing specific movies and series. If you want to watch X, you can only do it on service Z. That makes it frustrating. On the other hand, if you want to play a game, you have Steam, GOG, EpicFails, etc..
Back in the day when people bought physical media it was the same license model. For instance you couldn't copy it to another disk. You couldn't show it in a public place neither. It was the exact same license you now have on Steam only you had a physical media with it.
but you could always play it. If they remove it from the store or if the company goes out of business you can't play the streaming game but you could play the disc game. 🤔
@@scott3805 If you buy a game on Steam you can continue to download and play it even if they take it off the store.
there is a thing: i would argue that bieng able to buy a game and being able to permanently have it in your library and play it at any given time. Once a game leaves a subscription service, it's gone. And you cant play it at all, leaving you to having to uninstall it and lose all the progress you have made.
Nah, I'll continue actually buying single games. There's something more deliberate about your appreciation of a game when you haven't got an infinite other games to try, or when it's something you specifically chose to put money on.
And while you were talking about how game companies, and specifically indies, who were advocating for streaming services... well I'm a little dubious on that. Netflix and the like have not been good for the film industry, Spotify has been notoriously awful for the music industry, will game streaming services really be somehow better?
Personally I foresee a future where companies all pull their content off these services to move back to the purchasing model.
As a phycical games myself.
I just ordered HORIZON FORBIDDEN WEST COMPLETE EDITION "
Reprint disc '
All updates, patches, exstra content and The Burning Shores DLC included on the disc '
No day a patches just Playstation 5 offline plug and play "
All for a cheaper price then when it launched "
Patiance always reward "
I would do this with Ubisoft upcaming AVATAR too if I ever would bay it.
Personaly I hope gaming industri in the future would be"
Launch digital version first then Launch phycical copy fully patched no need for day one patches '
Then later COMPLETE EDITION with all exstra content and DLC INCLUDED ON THE DISC like HORIZON FORBIDDEN WEST COMPLETE EDITION.
as someone who is currently using discs i see this as a loss
this is way too optimistic and youre giving companies way too much credit
streaming and non-physical copies of media are indeed great for non-committal consumption. but we cannot trust these companies to honor a single thing. moving away from physical copies and ownership is bad, full stop. if we dont even have the option anymore then we truly wont anything and there is not enough upsides on the planet to make that a good thing
It's interesting, there's a lot of research out there in the world of psychology & sociology, that increasing choice doesn't lead to increasing satisfaction with the service/experience/product
Imo if prefer for games to be bought. If you don’t play many games but they’re scattered across different services it’s going to cost more than just buying those games
why is ur avatar literally a can of green beans?
Because beans
@@ghostyspaghetti5355 i love plant beans : )
@@GameBoyyearsago you enjoy the mass genocide of my kind?
Green beans are good
The call of the seas is going to get stronger if they keep escalating subs.
The reason I don't like subs, is that they're like slavery, they keep taking. Look at the mess with video streaming, there's like a dozen or more services with the shows spread across them with exclusivity deals. It might be good value for a short time, but eventually you'll find that you have no freedom left.
Ever tried to watch a movie on Netflix only to find out that it's not on Netflix? So you go down the rabbit hole of trying to figure out which subscription service has it. Then go down another rabbit hole of finding the cheapest one or at least one with a free trial? I'm definitely not looking towards that future with gaming
Me neither, if this continues folks are just going to resort back to physical media & old hardware. Though, with all of the doom & gloom there is a light shing through. It may not be Blockbuster, but I have hopesomething like that will return.🙂🙏😇
gog is closest thing owning your pc games without pirating
We live in an era where you have to pay for the simple act of being able to play online
(cough) PS Plus
*cough* every current console
I hope we don't get to the point that every publisher has a subscription service. I can tolerate Game pass and PS Plus. I would even be fine if Steam and Epic rolled out a subscription model.
But I am already annoyed that TV has fractured into 50 different streaming services. They need to consolidate it back down to 3 or 4. Netflix, Hulu, and Prime were perfect. Maybe have HBO in there. All the others can just go away. Disney can just lease all their stuff to the 4 platforms like they used to.
I really wouldn't care about this as long as I can still play my digital licenses, and companies like Microsoft or Sony needs to stop banning users from our accounts and denying access to our games we bought, just because we cussed at someone or no lifed playing games to reach 1 million gamerscore and get accused of cheating like what happened to me back in July 2023
Piracy is one off the only way to really own your games 99% of AAA game are available for free on the internet in the 72h after relase i only buy tripple A games when they respect the player (elden ring, red dead 2,ratchet and clank, baldur gates 3) and you guys should do the same
I have game pass ultimate on pc and it only cost me 1,27 euro a month to be subcribe until 2027 thank to turquish code and a vpn.
Yes i dont own the games but its more than worth it in my opinion i play way more games especially a variety of game gendra since i have gamepass and when a AAA game is not on game pass i pirate when an indie game is not on game pass i buy simple as that.
sorry for the bronken english
Piracy is the best 😎👍
I never pirated a game in my life pirating games is bad for the players who bought the game they would be like "Why did I waste my my money I could have pirated this" if you pirate a indie game you are mf ahole
@@GameBoyyearsago you can play (some) AAA games you are on the fence about for FREE!11!!11
@@Vross_MKII Yeah, They Just Boost Thr Piracy : )
reminds me of cyberpunk 2077 where u have to pay to use everting u own already otherwise u can't use it which is scary
I have lost so much from purchasing digitally so now I only buy physical games.
If games stop being physical, then I stop playing games. Simple as that. Thankfully, I don't see a full transition happening anytime soon, but I'm still paranoid with the precedent some companies are setting. Then again, at the speed that gaming and the industry have evolved, an all-digital world could be just on the horizon.
The reason why I hate subscription is that IF you ever do one bad thing, you will have to do all the work to get it back, sometimes it will feel like it isn't worth it anymore, common sense wise, if you own something, you have this feeling of happiness, that "oh I owned it" and if by some chance we ever fell into an apocalypse, the fun part is you can relive the days of playing those games you bought or watching the movies u bought, since net is gonna go down in an apocalypse, you have a tv and a media player. makes sense right?
The "By 2030 you will own nothing and be happy" quote from the WEF is a lot scarier than people realize, look up "The Great Reset" (That's what they call it)
I know this is a video about video games but since you showed the quote I had to point it out.
well since you mention it i should mention myself that i had a psychiatric breakdown + almost died cause i went too deep down that rabbit hole. still recovering. i saw things that i wish i could remove from my memory. my advice is to stay the fuck away.. not worth
@Retrofire-47 The biggest reason why The Great Reset is going to happen is because most people are either ignorant or won't do anything about what the WEF wants, that's why it's important to tell as many people as possible instead of ignoring it all. In my eyes it's 100% worth it.
Neo feudalism and Communism, enforced by our overlords.
By buying physical media I now have 100 games I love to play. That beats having 1000s of games i'm not interested in but play anyways because there is no other viable choice.
As long as a few thousands waste their life savings, there will be no change
I haven't rented a videogame since I was 6 years old.
I dont play many games, i just dont have the time. Its actually cheaper for me to just buy the physical copies of the few games i will play (usually a couple months + after release) than pay for a subscription.
While I agree that such services are really making life easier for many people, but what happenned to choice when deciding which media to consume? I mean, my main beaf with subscription services is that the algorithm will form bubbles around the consumer by pushing similar stuff their way (like Netflix) and many things will just be lost in the deep. I don't think anyone is allowed to take that choice away from you. The model that we're moving towards now is a chokepoint where big companies like Microsoft, Apple, Sony, etc. sit in the middle and charge rent for both us the consumer to use their subscription services and the producers who are forced to play the game that is already rigged in the favor of the big boss because doing otherwise would mean not reaching to consumers who are already locked in the system of the big boss.
Having to pay a SUBSCRIPTION to use YOUR OWN CAR to its fullest is, by far, the most dystopian thing I've ever seen.
This is beyond 1984.
Yeah more likely to turn into Idiocracy
And this is why we need time machines
Aaaand this is why I only go physical. Since day one, I always worried that games owned digitally would be lost an account was lost.
I remember Mutahar explaining about this issue way seriously.
The fact that he mentioned that owning physical copies granting ownership is something i've been doing until 2018, when i started buying games digitally on steam.
I like the concept of monthly suscriptions, but what i want is that for someone who downloads the game, they should get 100% ownership of the copy.
He has been using physical copies to maintain ownership, but also, he clarifies that Microsoft is against this concept, by proving that Metal Gear Solid 2, it describes that the physical copy grants a free download from the store, wich requires internet connection to download, which is not a 100% ownership of the copy you have. Meanwhile Playstation and Nintendo show that the disk grants the straight-up full game in the entire disk, without needing any cloud downloads.
This is honestly disappointing in the gaming industry.
NO-ONE IS FORCING YOU TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT BUSINESS MODEL. YOU MUST INTERNALISE THIS OR IT WILL GET WORSE.
The industry is only as bad as we allow them to be. Why do people feel that it is impossible to *not* give these greedy companies money? Video games aren't going to vanish forever if we all refuse to buy video games for 1 year. I feel like a mad man for point this out, but it really is that simple. If you don't like what's happening, then have you considered not supporting it? It's not "capitalisms" fault, *it is entirely your fault*. Video games are not a necessity, like oil or energy, they are a luxury.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p don't bother, he wants his BS "MS bad, Ninty/Sony good/less-bad" world view and no data will stop him. The comparison he uses doesnt even make sense - does MS produce discs for their first party games and have the disc just be a download thing? No, or at least not most of the time. Do many third party games pull that stuff on all platforms? Yes.
Ergo - its an industry problem, but he describes its like a MS problem. Funny that. If you decide to have "good guys" and "bad guys" , you are part of the problem. Even GoG is not actually a good guy.
But they, they want to hate their Ps and Switch purchase less or continue loving it like its a person, so whatever.
@@xBINARYGODx What did GoG do then?
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I just got my Horizon forbidden west complete edition copy '
Reprint "
All patches, updates, exstra content and DLC BURNING SHORES INCLUDED ON THE DISC "
Without connected to the internet "
Playstation 5 offline plug and play.
All for a cheaper price "
This is exactly what I'm would do with Ubisoft upcaming AVATAR GAME if I ever would bay it.
You know what's great about subscription services? They can put whatever junck in there just to say we have alot of new "Content".
And disney is the prime example.
"Buy a 60$ game or rent it for 10$ a month ?"
Me : piracy
do you know maybe where I can do that safely?
That's nothing to be proud about. People work hard to make these games.
@@sudo3644 "nooo people work hard for these games!11??"
My honest reaction :👉 ☠️(i couldn't find a pirates flags)
@@sudo3644 womp womp
@@sudo3644 doesn't look like someone worked hard on starfield
There's absolutely nothing great about gamepass because the games are too long. If it takes you 3 months to complete a game at a cost of 12.99 a month you might as well buy a used copy of the disc for 10.00 - While this is an extra option it's okay I guess but having services like this as your only option is preposterously terrible in every way. When this happens I quit gaming as my disc based PS4 backlog is large. After a certain point in graphical capability you get to a point where nothing else matters. A game in 4k that's a little clearer on the eye? I'm not bothered.
It's main benefit are short AAA games and indie games you would have never bought anyway. For big RPGs you should probably just buy them. Game pass licenses usually last a year so you got that long from the moment they are added to play and finish them, but there are a ton of games.
Microsoft already tested the waters with the "limiting how many games you play". They removed the Gold subscription which gave you 2 fr*e games a month, and replaced it with "Game Pass Core" which basically gives you online + a rotation of like 10 game pass games every month instead (despite promising us the fr*e games wouldn't stop any time soon less than six months before).
It wouldn't surprise me if this is a test before hiking the price of Game Pass Ultimate in the near future. (Yes I had to censor that word, because yt autoflagged me, lol)
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Honestly I wish there was laws for subscriptions that both benefit And restricts somewhat The consumer and the company In a fair way Instead of a one size way I don't know why that's common
At least I know that Nintendo will never progress with modern culture, and will always promote physical sales.
Nice timing, Ubisoft announced that they will close servers for another older games in January 2024
Yay subscription for games where ultimately you own nothing woo hoo that stuff is wack
the best thing about physical games are the used one
And it’s less expensive
And they work like a charm. I have stocked up on gently used PS3 and XBOX 360 games. I have enough games to last me a lifetime, and I have an XBOX 1, but this is my last modern console.
Me with my 100,000 plus retro game collection, I'm good for life lol
I've been only buying my games from itch and gog lately (and just finding out humble has some DRM free games). I would hate for any experience I paid for to disappear one day should I want to revisit it. For these services, a piece of media only exists on a service as long as it is profitable on these services. How long until the services start removing games to "streamline" their catalogue like netflix, disney, HBO, whatever else. How many games on your backlog will all of a sudden disappear, where you had once wanted to play them, but it becomes impossible because they're no longer there? A story, a universe, and experience that ceases to exist, except for whatever letsplays you *might* find, (until youtube removes old/unpopular videos just the same, or the channel gets deleted).
Ive been buying blurays lately from the goodwill bins. I've been only buying DRM free games that I could back up locally. If I don't have internet but still want to play a game? I should be able to. At least now, I've got a near lifetime of possible content. but at the same time, how long will the hardware that can play it exist?
Game companies don't like that old games exist. An old game of theirs existing, means that they have to compete with it when they release new games. When Rockstar removed old GTAs from sale on releasing their remastered versions. It would ensure they wouldn't have to compete with themselves on the store front.
I don't trust any service.
I don't trust the ability for anything to be taken on a whim. Or for me to simply lost access to the internet during a storm, and lose access to a favorite piece of comfort media. Or if I simply fall on hard times, unable to continue subscriptions should I lose a job, face unexpected bills. Find hardship where a subscription doesn't make sense to keep. Especially when the game subscription requires you to also have an internet subscription (Which I don't have as I'm currently relying on cell subscription already, due to costs)
I remember the discussion about the digital market will make games cheaper.. yeah, sadly
Those without internet have been abandoned
I would rather sacrifice all subscriptions for the right to buy, resell, break, or collect offline games that I myself own. I already buy all games I'm truly interested in on physical disk and keep my ps5 unplugged from ethernet, and would encourage everyone to do the same, for the sake of the consumer.
Me, who pirates almost every game I play: Am I a joke to you?
You will be when the games are no longer hosted locally. When that happens, when it's all streaming, piracy of them will be nigh impossible
but isn't piracy illegal '-'
Most games now are shit anyway@@gierrah
@@z0w0z.yeah?
@@z0w0z. piracy is best : )
I like having physical content because I like being able to display my games on a shelf, trade, share or sell my game if I want to, and I own it compared to having it be tied to an account. I only buy digital if there's no physical option. I've used Game Pass but as more of a way to try games before buying them. I know physical doesn't mean as much as it used to, especially with games requiring updates (or only a portion of the game being on disc) but I still like being able to display and do whatever I want with said games
If they go “subscription only” i keep
playing my old games!
I believe that it will be like movies where they still make physical games but some games will be exclusive to game pass kinda like netflix and squid game
That will never happen. They would lose on so much money from people who only buy games and never subscribe to services.
Gamepass and the like works because they get money from both audiences.
This is what happens when a company goes public.
I'm glad Valve is not a public company.
@@bigjoegamerI can see it going public once gaben passes
This is what happens when IQ drops and people accept bad business practices. Can you please tell me who is forcing you to buy video games at the moment?
Will you lose your job if you don't buy the "next big thing"?
Will your spouse beat you if you do not purchase the latest CoD?
Will you suddenly acquire cancer if you do not spend $50 on weapon skins?
Will your marriage breakdown if you fail to purchase the next Nintendo console?
Will your dog get run over if you don't purchase the Last of Us 3?
Will you mother be murdered in her sleep if don't buy a gamerpass?
@@user-og6hl6lv7pplus there is a good catalog of retro/older games that can keep you preoccupied to prevent you for supporting new games and services with bad buisness practices.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p yes
If buying isnt owning, then stealing it from them isn't piracy.
This makes me glad that the Retroid Pocket and AYN line of retro consoles exists.
I really hope the future of gaming will look brighter, but for me its brighter then ever
delusional if you think gaming is good right now
@@GimmieDaDnB im not talking about the gaming as a whole, I'm referring to the point that more and more inde games are out and inde studios can maybe even make aaa games that are better then anything we saw yet
@@GimmieDaDnB There are more amazing games being released per year than what I have time to play. The indie scene has never been better.
that's fair@@yis8fire
If you like Rougelikes (which I do) then yes somewhat true, indies are popping off last few years, but i'm more into AA games nowadays@@haruhirogrimgar6047
physical is not synonymous with preservation, DRM FREE is.
or piracy in case the company wont provide such option.
physical media get rotten and no longer work, you have to repair (if possible) then you might not have enough money to do so.
drm free on the other hand, you can make as many copies as you want to physical media if you want then that bad.
I hear this alot, but my 40 year old SEGA CD games are still fully functional, I rip them to my PC to test the data integrity every other year and they're all still 100%.
Meanwhile the 3DS, Wii U, Wii, PSP, and next year Xbox 360, PS Vita and PS3 stores are losing their ENTIRE digital libraries for new purchasers.
Not to mention, SSDs are physical, so digital content also requires physical media.
As for preservation, physical version 1.0 copies will always contain version 1.0, digital versions force updates and that's that.
Both physical and digital are better than subscription services though any day.
When I buy games I usually also track down the physical version and I also gravitate towards older games
If people don’t want to own anything than this is the path to take. Next will likely be cars or appliances.
Sounds like a Klaus Schuab WEF agent tbh.
This is an insightful video. The Steam terms of agreement made me question being strictly a PC gamer now with how you don't own digital games. I should still support home consoles that play physical video games.
"you will own nothing and be happy" sounds straight out of cruelty squad, and given the current direction, *yeah*