Funny thing is, while $20K difference is some people’s entire budget (like me LOL), on a car like this we’re only talking about a 10% difference between the owner and appraiser. Not enough to get upset over in my book.
Nothing is worth any more than someone is willing to pay for it. By that I mean this car is worth what a buyer will pay for it. If the right person with the money wants the car, they'll pay what it costs to buy it. The difference in what the owner thinks and what the appraiser thinks is small as you noted. 6 months from now everything could be different...
Correct, I was ready to go ghetto on “Haggerty” whoever he is; if he went total low ball. Screw Haggerty, look Chris … come and find me a Superbird in any condition within 500 miles of my location, all of ‘‘em are gonna be worth mucho coin. You did well, you’ll get your 250k just be patient.
I graduated from HS in 1980. Back then you could buy that car for less than $20K. But $20K was a pretty good pile of $$$ then. When I started driving there were a lot of muscle cars around with the big block V-8s and people didn't want them because of the recent gas embargo by OPEC. So the high school kids drove them and burned them up. The parking lot of my HS was full of Chevelle's, Chargers, Firebirds, Chargers, RoadRunners etc... I wish I'd bought a dozen of those cars and put them in storage.
1980? Way less than $20K. I bought one for $6300 with only 25,000 miles because of the gas shortages. Just like the one in this video except it's orange.
@@fotogmike9695 In the late '80s/early '90s, my best friend's neighbor had one in their backyard just parked, and we were always into Mopars, so when he told me, I was like, Whaaaat? No way! But it was true! But the guy wanted like $4K for it, and we totally dismissed it because we were just kids in their '20s and to us, even $500 was a lot of money, so we never thought about it again, but looking back, dammit, I wish we had $4K, but then again, being kids, we probably would have treated it like the kids we were (hammered in the wheel lips to fit N-50 tires, put a Grant wheel on it, slammed the front by loosening the torsion bars, all that nonsense). Ah well. It's another "the one that got away" type story...
My dad used to drive one of these to work in the late "70s...He bought it as a winter beater......It had a trailer hitch on it and he would pull me and my friends behind it in the snow with a rope.😭😭😭..It was just a regular 440,4bbl,automatic,black bench seat....It was orange.He junked it out after the frame rails got pretty thin....He sold the engine and tranny to some guy who put them in a "race car".My dad still has the hood hanging on his garage wall to this day and the A pillar chrome laying around somewhere...Good vid.👍👍👍
@@pennywise8182 Yes, this brings back memories. I went to high school (‘72,’73,’74) with a guy who drove it to school everyday - when it was running! His was blue with the 440 Magnum and 4-speed. The nosecone was always bumping into something and if I recall correctly it was fiberglass.
Super glad to hear this, for too long guys think their car is worth a million dollars after thry bought it for 2500 in the 80s. And they wonder why younger generations went to JDM cars so hard
Yeah you know actually I can agree with that point but at the same time the reason why a lot of these guys were thinking along those lines is because well at one point you really could command those prices!
If youre thinking performance, I can buy a nice 2000s 911 for under 20k. Cant spend house-kind of money on a bang it around car. Car collecting is not car driving. Too many trophy cars around
There’s a hierarchy with JDM cars too. Have you seen Supra prices? Skylines? Toyota 2000 GTs? 240Zs and RX7s are climbing. Honda CB 750, Kawasaki Z1s and H1, H2s. The so-called “younger generations” (who aren’t THAT young anymore) are emulating their older generation counterparts. So stop throwing shade on old guys. They didn’t corner the market on desirability.
I bought a wrecked 440 six pack Roadrunner when I was 17 in 78. I forget how much I paid, but it was the kind of money a 17 year old working in a garage would have. It was hit hard in the back, but with what I know now it was fixable. I stripped it for parts for a roadrunner I had that was a 383 car to build a clone. I scrapped what was left of the original 440 six pack car with the title. Later on I sold the clone I built to buy a 10 wheel dump truck. If you think that was bad, around the same time my buddy bought a Yenko 427 Nova with a blown up engine. We didn't even know what a Yenko was then. I remember him tearing off the Yenko decals because he didn't like them. Long story short, it ended up in his barn that then leaked in it for like 15 years or so. Then he came around and was telling us some "nut" gave him 3,000 for that old rusted out nova in his barn. A few months later he got educated and to this day if someone brings it up he leaves and goes home without saying a word
We would do donuts around the gas pumps at the Unocal 76 on Ortega Hwy on the graveyard shifts in my buddy's Superbird. It was a bit haggard, but was a heck of a lot of fun
That's the thing about cars. At one point they were just old worn out gas guzzlers nobody wanted, the only people who drove them were poor people and teenagers. The Dukes of Hazzard chose the 1969 Charger for the General Lee because at the time (1977-8) people were practically giving them away and there were a lot of them around. By the end of the show's run that had completely changed. Part of the reason why these cars are so valuable today is most of them were scrapped when they got old.
The reason why they were so hard to get rid of when they were new was the insurance companies were charging ridiculous premiums to insure them. of course some of it was justified because early on any frontal collision would damage the nose which was essentially hand made and expensive to replace. Along with that and they feared anyone buying one would either race it on the track or the street.
No, when they were new few people wanted them. They were not popular at all. Ugly damn things I would still be embarrassed to own one especially at what they sell for now.
In 1970 I bought my neighbors car after he passed away. His wife didn’t want it. 1967 GTX conv. 23k miles. Mint, he always kept it in the garage and never drove it in the winter. (Cleveland salt) it had a 440 super commando, 727, power top, windows, ddoor locks, & AC. He didn’t want it hot rodded. So it had full size hub caps with white walls. Dark metallic maroon with a white top and glass back window and black interior. I figured that was my car for life. In 1971 my insurance went from $120/yr to $1200/yr. They went after the muscle cars. All my freinds who had Road Runners, Camaros, Corvettes, Chargers, we all had to get rid of them. Many bought vans and other family cars. I traded mine in on a 1972 Hemi Orange Dodge Demon. 318 3spd. Just a Dodge Dart grandpa’s car. My insurance went back to $120/yr. Miss that GTX I got $900 on a trade in. But I still have that damn Demon. 52 years now. 👍 I still get looks like I just bought it.
A presale valuation is a highly educated guess. The value is what someone will actually pay on a given day and both gentlemen agree on that. Regardless of the price its a great looking car and I'm sure is a blast to drive.
Had a 66 Mustang fastback 2+2 in the early 70's. Would be nice to have now. I've been thru so many cars in my lifetime not sure I could list them all, and my age (77) would also limit my list. Now have a hybrid Honda and a C-6 Corvette, so I'm satisfied with my current inventory.
In 1970 when I was 11 years old the local dealer had 2 of these on the lot. One was Yellow and the other one was Brownish like color. I was blown away with the rear wing and I asked my father if we could stop by and look at it. My father looks at me like I was crazy and says "I wouldn't be caught dead in that car". Needless to say we didn't stop and check them out! About 12 years later we had moved to Arizona and my Uncle came down for the Barret Jackson auction. Back then it was in a parking lot and 1\20th of todays "experience". The rage back then was the Shelby 427 Cobra roadster. While walking into the auction there was 2 entering the auction. The side pipes were making the coolest lump-de lump noise and I said to my father "You should buy one of these cars and sit on it for a year, you would make a pretty profit from the sale. He looks at me and says " I wouldn't give $2,500 for that piece of....." I responded that the car was appreciating about $10,000 PER MONTH!! Went back the next year and sure enough the same cars were bringing $250,000 or $70,000 more than the previous year. Back then a Mercedes Gullwing was $90,000, Jag XKE Convertibles were $25,000, 1963 Split window Vettes were $15,000. My uncle was a Lagonda collector and had 2. One was pulled from a field in Singapore. He used to race it on Sundays around the local town. One was a racer and the other was a sedan. To say Cars have been a huge influence would be an understatement.
@@Loulovesspeed Or he was like my dad and uncle: Oldsmobiles on the way to arrive. Even after he had two million in cash and closed his shop, he restored two big block Olds. and they're not worth 10% what any of these other cars are worth. So we're keeping them: Olds 98's big blocks, as new. And we drive them. Tight engines actually get pretty good gas mileage.
Thanks for bringing back some memories. A friend of mine had a 4-speed Hemi Superbird back in high school. He did all of the stupid teenager stuff to it back then that would have reduced the value. It's nice seeing you go over this car and seeing all of the parts of it as I remember them.
Who was it, the high school kid, that owned a million dollar car? A running Hemi 4 speed combo has never been cheap, even when Superbirds were undesirable. What high school kid drives a 20' long, 5' tall car that gets 12 mpg at best?
@@scottnelson1713 a used 1970 superbird in 1970 would be unusual. A used hemi 4 speed car insured by a high school would never cheap. A daily driven hemi car would never cheap to maintain. How many 1970 hemi 4 speed superbirds were made?
I neither want to cause a ruckus nor call the veracity of anyone’s comments into question. I have personally owned: 1972 302 Ford Maverick Grabber, 1978 Dodge Little Red Express Truck, 1986 Ford Mustang GT (triple black) Convertible. All were OEM equipped and unadulterated- except for the Grabber b/c my father in law thought it would be a good idea to remove the decals and add a manual sunroof. All were purchased used and the total for all three was less than 15K. Assuming all survived and were in similar condition as when I sold them, what would the current market value be? In addition, my HS friend/neighbor owned a 340 Dodge Dart and a 383 Plymouth Roadrunner. If memory serves me correctly, the combined total sale price for both was less than $1K. Both were complete cars in fair condition and this was in the mid 1970’s. Lastly, my cousin owned a brand new GTO JUDGE, I don’t recall the year and my stepbrother bought a brand new Mustang Mach1 after his discharge from Viet Nam - possibly 68/69? My point being is that we were all of modest means but still owned vehicles that were not outrageously priced during that time period but might be highly value in today’s market.
These things are gonna' go nowhere but down. The entire muscle car hobby is aging out. I'm 58 and I'm at the younger end of the hobby. I've owned Superbirds, Daytonas, a Hemi Charger, a Shaker Hood 440 'Cuda, quite a lot of muscle Mopars. Same thing is going to happen to these as happened to big dog classic prewar cars - the hobby aged out of them. When I was a teenager, I drove Road Runners and 'Cudas to my job restoring Pierce-Arrows, Packards, Cords, and a host of other major cars for a local very wealthy collector who had 72 cars. I now own a '29 Packard Club Sedan with all its original paperwork and a very interesting history, it was a ground-up restoration on a 29,000 mile car 20 years ago, and I paid less for it than it would have cost back in the early 1980s. I guarantee, it cost three times what I paid for it to restore it in 1999/2000. I'm still heavily involved in old Mopar restorations, I caution people all the time, buy these cars with your heart, not your head, because in the next decade, they are going to nose dive in value - the average muscle car enthusiast is 65-75 years old. In ten years, they're not going to be that worried about the cars, they're going to be more concerned about their kidneys functioning.
Sorry to say, but I hope you're right. I'm 55 and would love to get a classic car but finances won't allow it. There are several articles out there saying America's love affair with the car is starting to weaken. Millions today, especially in the city, would rather call an Uber a few times a week than pay $30K for a car plus insurance plus gas plus repairs. Many more kids today are home staring at screens than out cruising the strip.
Absolutely correct. Boomers are too old or out of money and no one else really desires these or even anything pre 1980s or so. 200 grand for a car like this doesn't add up; this particular market just doesn't have the rampant speculation to support the massively inflated prices. I wouldn't be surprised if this is $40k in 15 years.
@@chimrichalds5205 40k for a restored a superbird in a couple years, dude what the hell are you smoking? spit my coffee out laughing when I read this....
@@briankendallRyanandBrian Theres a lot of 80s/90s street rods that are now priced pretty well...back then were 70, some over 100k. Has to be a demand. Most young people love new stuff.... To go backwards for them makes no sense .Tougher to drive worse mpg few or no creature comforts and didnt grow up wiht them Ill be dead by the time they get super affordable but I believe old cars are SO grossly overinflated its not even funny
Its not just that. The main reason they were high on insurance is because they were the 1st production car to hit 200 mph. The insurance companies knew this. Thats why insurance is not cheap on theses gems of the past. Back in the day they were cheap to buy but the insurance was too high. The dealer blamed it on the looks of the car but thats not true. Most people would love too own this car. I know i would. There was also a special edition Camaro in 69. It had alot of hp. Very expensive for insurance. But if i could afford it i would put in in storage because it is a gem. 😮
The winged cars indeed hit 200 mph but those were the nascar versions. The production ones off the assembly line you would be lucky to get 130 mph out of them .
Which is a very good point! It doesnt matter either what the owner thinks it is the price… utterly if you want to sell, the market will tell you the price… whether it is above o bellow expectations, that is something emotional.
True, but an Appraisal gives you a baseline to work from. Im sure if someone really wanted it he could get $225-250K easy. As you said, it definitely depends on the buyer.
Actually it's what the insurance is willing to pay as well so it's not completely worth less So unless you have a policy, that's one of those agreed upon sums which is generally more expensive. They'll usually only pay what the appraisal says it's worth.
back in the late 70's in our neighborhood there were a couple of red/orange superbirds, one of which was the poorer of the 2, owned by someone who lived on "the wrong side of the tracks". rumor was it had a 340 with an automatic, which of course makes no sense from a factory perspective. up until several years ago, I held out the possibility that there may have been a one off created as some kind of exception at the factory for one reason or another. given who owned it and where, it's possible someone could have replaced the 440 with a 340 for whatever reason. the only thing I regret is not tracking the guy down and making him an offer. even in beat up shape, that thing turned heads and would have been a blast to drive.
I respect the cars and owners that have went all the way and done a full nut and bolt restoration with all the correct everything with factory markings and all that so it looks like it just came from the factory. Having said that, in my opinion doing all that makes the car undriveable as it’s more of an expensive decoration than a car. Those cars were meant to be bought by everyday people to have fun with. I’d rather have a non numbers matching car that still looks good but not too good that you’re not afraid to enjoy it.
Mopars are getting a bit of a market correction. They were sky high for so long. My buddy has a one of one factory Daytona Modtop. The only modtop Daytona made and it was an SE car as well. A very hard car to appraise as there is nothing to compare it to.
Its cool cause its rare and factory built...... but myself Id expect a big discount for having a floral vinyl table cloth glued to the roof of a daytona LOL
This btw, is exactly the type of thing that many younger car enthusiasts are not into, all of these cars are one ofs or at most like three ofs if you dig into the options sheets enough.
I was in the navy stationed in Charleston, S.C., when I saw my first 1970 Superbird (brand new) sitting on a Plymouth dealer's lot. I was driving a stripped down 1969 Dodge Dart 340 Swinger I had bought in July of 1969 for $2,700. As I recall, the Superbird had a window sticker of around $4,500 (do not recall engine option and transmission). No way could I have afforded a car like that on my E-5 navy pay. But if I could have drove that car off the lot, I think I would have felt like king of Rt. 52 and I-26 (where I did a lot of street racing with my 340 Swinger). I was amazed at how the super cars were getting more and more power each year, spoilers, graphics, etc. I thought it was going to go on and on. Wrong! Then in 1971 Ford and GM started dropping engine compression, retarding camshaft and ignition timing, etc. (Mopar got in another year [1971] before they started cutting back performance. But as luck would have it, I had no idea we would have such powerful street cars like we have today.
I read these kind of muscle cars used would go for as low as $500 during the so-called energy crisis of the 1970s, sitting on a used car lot for well over a year.
Seeing the pop up about the Superbird Daytona club, I know who started it and recall seeing their driveway loaded with Superbirds and a Daytona in their garage (about a mile from where I live). Today they don't have as many as they once did back in the 80's.
Had a chance to buy an identical Superbird in 1985 for $10k! Car was in Aragon ,Ga. and was sitting off the side of a garage with no cover with about 7700 actual miles. All it need was a repaint.I couldnt raise the money at the time.Found out about 2 yrs. later Tim Wellborn had bought the car and restored it.Coulda , woulda, shoulda!
Standard equipment, even on a 'Cuda. Plymouths were supposed to be more affordable, so they had more basic features compared to a Dodge. I remember seeing a 1970 Hemi Cuda for sale and it had a bench seat, column automatic, and basic instrument cluster.
I absolutely love Superbirds!!! It's my #2 all time favorite Mopar!!! My #1 is the 69 Dodge Charger Daytona!!! I would be beyond over the moon to get either one though!!!! They are just a sweet sight!!!!
My first new car was a 69-383. When they brought out the Superbird in 70, god did I want one those. Would still love to own either of them today. Can you grasp that I was driving the wheels of the thing 54 years ago, never for a moment thinking that I was driving a future classic. What a great era 68/70 was and to expedience it as a mad as brush 21 year old. Would love to revisit the States/Canada and rattle one of those down the road once again.
Number 2 condition?!?!If the scale goes from 1-5, which is generally what I see in price guides, how can this not be a 1? If this is a 2, then what’s a 3,4,5? For this car to be this perfect and restored from reputable source, I’m really struggling to see how we can have only 5 number system. My cars wouldn’t make 5th condition
It's like in anything collectable. Tiny details make the difference. Some of the parts used in the restoration might be aftermarket replacement and not original or new old stock. That makes a difference. Look at other collectables. The difference in a mint state 65 and 70 coin van be huge. Same with a 90% vs 95% in firearms. At the top of the scale little things can add up.
Back in 1978, when i was thirteen, a dude took me for some doughnuts in a Superbird...He really loved that car and since i was on break...why not....We did doughnuts on a dirt lot! I didn't think much of it them but now? wow! what an experience!..I told him it reminded me of the batmobile...Little did i Know....Hell, i was 13 for gaudsake! (Outside Los Aguirre's Mexican Rest. South Lake Tahoe, circa 1978)
The appraiser mentioned Mopar taxicabs...when you consider what you are getting for your money with this Superbird, a 4-door 1970 Coronet with a 440 actually looks mighty attractive. (A Slant would be even less outlay...probably under $10K for a driver quality machine.)
The car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The valuation might not be what the owner thought it would be, but I'm guessing he can still get the 225K number.
Not only do we need to see more of these videos, we need to see more of these cars, and we need to see the glory of our yesteryear restored. EV vehicles are going to take over the internal combustion engine, and these beautiful examples will be even rarer to see and hear . Keep up the great work
Gonna be 30 to 50 years before EV takes over. The elephant in the room is mining production and energy generation. We will need @ double the power generating capacity to allow 150,000,000 people to get home from work and plug in their 240 volt, 50 amp car charger.
A local dealer had four of these new when they came out. As noted in earlier comments, they didn’t sell because they were expensive at the time ($4,500ish IIRC) and insurance was hideously expensive because the nose was hand laid fiberglass, extremely fragile, and replacement was about 1/4th the cost of the whole car. The story was that they ended up wholesaling them at auction for about $2,500 each. You need to remember that the average guy was probably making about $5,000 a year at that time.
I always enjoy this series, in particular for the variety of vehicles featured. Out of curiosity, how hard is it to determine that a fender tag such as this one is truly original and not a reproduction?
First: lettering is raised not punched in, which is harder to fake. Second, when you see enough you can tell the font and spacing is correct. A fake one could fool a cop but it would be very difficult to fool an enthusiast.
What a NEATO car - and as the owner mentioned - they had trouble selling them back when new. Nice color - and the owner seems to have a nice usable car on his hands - lucky guy and great to see his smile he get from his car. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA (HA - where a SUPERBIRD would not fit in the average suburban carparking space - HA).
Those are real classics not many cars nowadays will ever appreciate in value like the Superbird and other classic cars of that time those were real muscle cars💪
Unfortunate click bait title. The real story is the difference between a professional appraiser who is well versed with the current sales for these cars and the optimistic estimate by an enthusiastic owner. No drama here. Even the owner was quite accepting of the difference of opinion. Otherwise good video of how to properly appraiser the value of a classic car.
It would be costly to try and buy that sweet of a Super Bird at Barrett for much less than what the owner said he wanted, at $225k thats a nice solid score
I knew a guy back some years ago that had a 70 Plymouth Super Bird...The odd thing about that car was it has a 426 hemi that came out of a 69 Daytona....Years prior when the cars weren't worth anything the original owner had both a Daytona and Superbird...He took the Hemi out of the Daytona and put it in his Superbird because he wanted the extra power in the Plymouth because it was a better driving car and that's the way it stayed....It was an odd car because of it...The guy was from my area he ended up selling it as a non-numbers matching car for around 70k around 2010
Never had a chance to snap up one of these, but had a chance to buy two 69 Roadrunner GTX cars. One was a 440 automatic, the other was a 383 4 spd. Could have bought the pair for $5000. I too did not have the money but new it was a good deal.
I have seen actual survivor examples, that said, I think the restorations tend to be over done. That car has a lot of body color paint in places where there are normally black parts and the factory paint shop thought about body color paint as the gun passed by that area. The most recent one I saw was a survivor because it was a grocery getter so yup, they are out there and in the strangest of places.
There were still alot of unrestored survivor cars in the 90s. They actually looked like cheap junk. Ever watched movie Joe Dirt? That was like me in late 80s early 90s. You were a broke redneck if you drove these muscle cars back then, even if it was in good shape
The six barrel 440 was more powerful, but weren’t they very hard to keep tuned and balanced? Wouldn’t the single four make a far more enjoyable non-race, show car because it was so much easier to start and keep tuned?
If you get two guys bidding and both really want that car, you will hit your number. There are people out there with crazy money. Price isn't an object.
In 1970 I drove a car exactly like that one at a car lot in Wausau Wisconsin, and it could be the same car. I almost traded my 1969 Super Bee on it but just couldn't get past the fact that it had the 727 instead of the 4-speed like my Bee. I passed on it and regretted it when I bought a '68 GTX with 727 a few years later. So had a '69 Bee, '68 GTX and '73 Challenger Super Stock at the same time, but still know that I should have snagged that Bird when I had the chance.
@@paperandpavement -- All gone in the 80's but had another 50+ cars over time and most of them MoPars, including my current Chrysler Crossfire 6-speed although that is mostly built by Mercedes. The GTX was awesome. Got it to run in the mid 13's back in the day.
@@sheldonaubut you sound like a person that has a awesome life story. I wish i could come across a gtx sometime, Its my brothers favorite muscle car. I currently have a 1970 dodge Charger but it needs a TON of work. My goal this summer is to work hard and get it running 😃. I love this car because it has a deep sentimental meaning to me, but deep down inside i cant help but love the 68 Charger a bit more. Nice hearing your story Sheldon!
@@ebodycab -- I wonder if this is the same car. It sat at the dealer for some months before they fobbed it off on another lot and they just couldn't sell it. If memory serves me, and it often doesn't, they offered it to me for about $3,800.
Put it on the block, 200k all day, but find the right guy who has to have this and then you start getting to the 225k neighborhood. If you find 2 guys who just have to have this, then you start seeing 250k when you pit their egos against each other.
The people who are stupid enough to blow 200k on something like this are either 1. dead or 2. broke by now. He may be able to sell it now but in 10 years he'd have to give it away,
Like Chris said the value is in the eye of the beholder. I would have guessed its worth at least $350,000 as the restoration is top notch and the paint is beautiful. If you drove that car you I bet you would agree. Great show nonetheless.
I like to drive my cars, no garage art, no investments just drivers all 14. Each time l drive my 72 365 GTC, 70 Ghibli SS, 75 Countach or any of the other cars it is an event and l'm smiling the entire time. Not too long ago a friend let me drive his blue Superbird with the six pack and 727 auto. I have to say it only real attribute was the looks it received. The steering was slow and numb, wallowing suspension, poor brakes and from a dead stop not very fast. I'm not saying it's not worth $200k but to anyone who expects some magical street going Nascar racer it is not. It's just an old Plymouth with a funny nose. It's value lies in it's historic value and it's prestige amongst American car collectors. This one looks like a fine example
I distinctly remember a beige Superbird at local Concord MA dealership back in the day so I dunno about that "only" colors bit. I told the dealer I would be back in 2 years to buy it if they didn't move it -dealer dude said a lot of looks zero buyers, it wasn't going anywhere. A few dealers cut 'em up to make sell-able Belvederes out of them. I was 17. I ended up getting the 'Cuda instead, lol. 👀
When i was a kid,we thought these cars were ridiculous and not cool at all. Now the regular Roadrunners,Super Bees and Chargers hell yeah. But these were considered just dorky looking and nobody really wanted one. But hey Edsels are valuable now. Who saw that coming?
As my Grandpa use to tell me "boy, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder". And I'm drinkin' beer right now and she's a beautiful girl! Love that car.
5:50. I don't know Mopar, but among the first generation Camaros (67-69), there is an entire industry built around reproducing fake firewall tags (e.g., to pass off non Z/28 cars as potentially Z/28). On Camaros, the factory used a unique, almost impossible to reproduce epoxy to seal the rivets holding those tags to the firewall. When those tags get removed during a resto, it destroys the provenance of the tag/car. It can be re-established through a lot of hard work, but it's just a lot better to leave those tags alone. I'm not sure what Mopar did to affix the tags to the cars, but those philips head screws holding down the tag sure look modern. Any concerns about that?
The windscreen has an SABS (South African Bureau Of Standards) mark on it so it could be a PG Glass window in which case it is correct for the superbird?
Why wouldn’t the super birds in particular not have the secondary vin on the radiator support? It’s a roadrunner as you know and the rad supports we’re not altered during conversion. This leads me to believe that this front rad support was replaced. Usually I’d move the vin over from the old support but they didn’t feel the need to or were not able to.
While I do love the old Daytonas and Superbirds, I never thought that a little fiberglass in the front and rear of the car was a big deal. My 69 Road Runner was a 440 3- 2v (Six Pack) and 4 speed car, fun to drive but not super fast in the quarter. My 69 Dodge Dart 340 six-pack was faster in the quarter, faster than most of the cars I raced in the early 1970s. Late model technology blew away all of that "no replacement for displacement" thinking and there are 4 cyl cars that will blow a Superbird off the road, and needless to say there are EVs that are downright insane in the speed dept.... That yellow Superbird is beautiful, and worth every penny of that 200K. If it were mine selling it could never be an option- it is a vehicle that you leave a son or daughter, of very best friend at the end of life, LMHO.... Great upload, well worth the watch !
First off I'm not Superbird fan, but love ❤ the dodge Daytona chargers but I must disagree with the title of this video,meaning how can anyone lose money on a Plymouth Superbird based on engine, or transmission options that were not chosen at the time of original purchase, there are preferred options that make the vehicle worth more but in the end nobody loses money 💰..
Motortrend just posted a video from Mecum Kissimmee 2023 of a '70 Superbird 440 6 barrel 4 speed that sold for $170k. When I watched this a few days ago, my guess on value was around $150k and I think that's a much more reasonable figure. Maybe a few years ago it would have gone over $200k, but I think a lot of the muscle car high water marks are starting to recede.
I have a collector car also. Not that old but not many made, a 1990 1LE-IROC-Z , no air or radio, manual windows and door locks. Has an alum driveshaft from the factory. With 6.3 miles on the od.
I found two 1970s dodge hemi engines... I was supposed to get a finders bonus....but you know how that story goes...NOW I know how to play the game a lot better...
Didn't mention the hardware, bolts, etc. Sometimes, it gets down to that but since it's a base engine/trans., there's no need to get any further into it.
At 16 years old I took my Drivers Lessons (1972) in an Orange 70 Superbird 440 4 bbl Automatic with bucket seats, it was a promo car for Ringers Auto School in Saugus MA - car was really ratty and ran crappy until the the revs were up and the 4 bbl opened lol
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Funny thing is, while $20K difference is some people’s entire budget (like me LOL), on a car like this we’re only talking about a 10% difference between the owner and appraiser. Not enough to get upset over in my book.
Within the margin of error of the appraisal.
That happened to me on my aircraft carrier. I was off by $100 million, but didn't sweat it.
@@andrew_owens7680Perfect.
Nothing is worth any more than someone is willing to pay for it. By that I mean this car is worth what a buyer will pay for it. If the right person with the money wants the car, they'll pay what it costs to buy it. The difference in what the owner thinks and what the appraiser thinks is small as you noted. 6 months from now everything could be different...
Correct, I was ready to go ghetto on “Haggerty” whoever he is; if he went total low ball. Screw Haggerty, look Chris … come and find me a Superbird in any condition within 500 miles of my location, all of ‘‘em are gonna be worth mucho coin. You did well, you’ll get your 250k just be patient.
I couldn't be happier to see the car prices starting to take a dive again.
100% it’s great and there’s a long way to go!
As a brit I never got the road runner a big car with poor handling and a big engine with such small power but such a big following.
Only 375 HP, drum brakes and manual steering ain't worth quite as much as it used to be......
The car market new and used has been ridiculous?? Any type of normality would be nice as a buyer anyways!
Like the Foxbody Mustangs.
Spectacular car! I love the passion and respect the owner has for saving it. I’ve loved this car since I saw my first one at the 1969 Liberty Bowl.
I graduated from HS in 1980. Back then you could buy that car for less than $20K. But $20K was a pretty good pile of $$$ then. When I started driving there were a lot of muscle cars around with the big block V-8s and people didn't want them because of the recent gas embargo by OPEC. So the high school kids drove them and burned them up. The parking lot of my HS was full of Chevelle's, Chargers, Firebirds, Chargers, RoadRunners etc... I wish I'd bought a dozen of those cars and put them in storage.
1980? Way less than $20K. I bought one for $6300 with only 25,000 miles because of the gas shortages. Just like the one in this video except it's orange.
@@fotogmike9695
True that!
I passed on a very nice Superbird for $8500 in 1987. Admittedly, that was a fair chunk of cash back then.
I'm guessing there was a double dose of Chargers then?
@@fotogmike9695 In the late '80s/early '90s, my best friend's neighbor had one in their backyard just parked, and we were always into Mopars, so when he told me, I was like, Whaaaat? No way! But it was true! But the guy wanted like $4K for it, and we totally dismissed it because we were just kids in their '20s and to us, even $500 was a lot of money, so we never thought about it again, but looking back, dammit, I wish we had $4K, but then again, being kids, we probably would have treated it like the kids we were (hammered in the wheel lips to fit N-50 tires, put a Grant wheel on it, slammed the front by loosening the torsion bars, all that nonsense). Ah well. It's another "the one that got away" type story...
Or you could have invested in the stock market and have 5 million dollars, and rent out your garage.
My dad used to drive one of these to work in the late "70s...He bought it as a winter beater......It had a trailer hitch on it and he would pull me and my friends behind it in the snow with a rope.😭😭😭..It was just a regular 440,4bbl,automatic,black bench seat....It was orange.He junked it out after the frame rails got pretty thin....He sold the engine and tranny to some guy who put them in a "race car".My dad still has the hood hanging on his garage wall to this day and the A pillar chrome laying around somewhere...Good vid.👍👍👍
@@pennywise8182 Yes, this brings back memories. I went to high school (‘72,’73,’74) with a guy who drove it to school everyday - when it was running! His was blue with the 440 Magnum and 4-speed. The nosecone was always bumping into something and if I recall correctly it was fiberglass.
Nothing better than inhaling leaded fuel exhaust all day!
@@ThorstenKreutzenberger Yep, and 100 octane for 30 cents a gallon - good memories.
Super glad to hear this, for too long guys think their car is worth a million dollars after thry bought it for 2500 in the 80s. And they wonder why younger generations went to JDM cars so hard
Yeah you know actually I can agree with that point but at the same time the reason why a lot of these guys were thinking along those lines is because well at one point you really could command those prices!
Huh?? What guys?
You clearly haven't kept tabs on JDM prices in the past couple of years...
If youre thinking performance, I can buy a nice 2000s 911 for under 20k. Cant spend house-kind of money on a bang it around car. Car collecting is not car driving. Too many trophy cars around
There’s a hierarchy with JDM cars too. Have you seen Supra prices? Skylines? Toyota 2000 GTs? 240Zs and RX7s are climbing. Honda CB 750, Kawasaki Z1s and H1, H2s. The so-called “younger generations” (who aren’t THAT young anymore) are emulating their older generation counterparts. So stop throwing shade on old guys. They didn’t corner the market on desirability.
I bought a wrecked 440 six pack Roadrunner when I was 17 in 78. I forget how much I paid, but it was the kind of money a 17 year old working in a garage would have. It was hit hard in the back, but with what I know now it was fixable. I stripped it for parts for a roadrunner I had that was a 383 car to build a clone. I scrapped what was left of the original 440 six pack car with the title. Later on I sold the clone I built to buy a 10 wheel dump truck.
If you think that was bad, around the same time my buddy bought a Yenko 427 Nova with a blown up engine. We didn't even know what a Yenko was then. I remember him tearing off the Yenko decals because he didn't like them. Long story short, it ended up in his barn that then leaked in it for like 15 years or so. Then he came around and was telling us some "nut" gave him 3,000 for that old rusted out nova in his barn. A few months later he got educated and to this day if someone brings it up he leaves and goes home without saying a word
Now THAT'S a real "barn find." Not one of these videos we see all the time where the "barn" is a collector dispersing some of his collection.
I had this same color Superbird in 1975. Bought it used for $1,800. Nobody wanted one then. Sure wish I still had it!
We would do donuts around the gas pumps at the Unocal 76 on Ortega Hwy on the graveyard shifts in my buddy's Superbird. It was a bit haggard, but was a heck of a lot of fun
That's the thing about cars. At one point they were just old worn out gas guzzlers nobody wanted, the only people who drove them were poor people and teenagers. The Dukes of Hazzard chose the 1969 Charger for the General Lee because at the time (1977-8) people were practically giving them away and there were a lot of them around. By the end of the show's run that had completely changed.
Part of the reason why these cars are so valuable today is most of them were scrapped when they got old.
I had a friend who worked at a Plymouth dealership and saw them take the nose and wing off and throw them away because the car wouldn’t sell.
The reason why they were so hard to get rid of when they were new was the insurance companies were charging ridiculous premiums to insure them. of course some of it was justified because early on any frontal collision would damage the nose which was essentially hand made and expensive to replace. Along with that and they feared anyone buying one would either race it on the track or the street.
No. It was they won't fit in a parking lot.
they were also pretty obnoxious looking, and both then and today they were considered tacky.
@@DeusTex-Mex tacky. Old school word.
No, when they were new few people wanted them. They were not popular at all. Ugly damn things I would still be embarrassed to own one especially at what they sell for now.
In 1970 I bought my neighbors car after he passed away. His wife didn’t want it. 1967 GTX conv. 23k miles. Mint, he always kept it in the garage and never drove it in the winter. (Cleveland salt) it had a 440 super commando, 727, power top, windows, ddoor locks, & AC. He didn’t want it hot rodded. So it had full size hub caps with white walls. Dark metallic maroon with a white top and glass back window and black interior. I figured that was my car for life. In 1971 my insurance went from $120/yr to $1200/yr. They went after the muscle cars. All my freinds who had Road Runners, Camaros, Corvettes, Chargers, we all had to get rid of them. Many bought vans and other family cars. I traded mine in on a 1972 Hemi Orange Dodge Demon. 318 3spd. Just a Dodge Dart grandpa’s car. My insurance went back to $120/yr. Miss that GTX I got $900 on a trade in. But I still have that damn Demon. 52 years now. 👍 I still get looks like I just bought it.
A presale valuation is a highly educated guess. The value is what someone will actually pay on a given day and both gentlemen agree on that. Regardless of the price its a great looking car and I'm sure is a blast to drive.
Yep
Why it would be a blast to drive? Was it made my a muslim?
His valuation is based on recent sales, more accurate than not!
That's the sad part. You wouldn't dare drive that thing on the open road. Imagine getting T-boned by some clown at an intersection.
@@r5t6y7u8 probably illegal immigrant with nuffin but a Biden pass.
Interesting to hear what they look at in the appraisal at Hagerty. Nicely restored by Julius.
When it comes to these cars, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I just want my 66 Mustang back.
Had a 66 Mustang fastback 2+2 in the early 70's. Would be nice to have now. I've been thru so many cars in my lifetime not sure I could list them all, and my age (77) would also limit my list. Now have a hybrid Honda and a C-6 Corvette, so I'm satisfied with my current inventory.
exactly, that's why nothing beats a 79 Trans Am to me.
It rusted away in 1975
My brother in law had a Hertz Shelby Mustang in the early 1980's. Bought it cheap, drove it for awhile, sold it cheap. He really wishes he'd kept it.
In 1970 when I was 11 years old the local dealer had 2 of these on the lot. One was Yellow and the other one was Brownish like color. I was blown away with the rear wing and I asked my father if we could stop by and look at it. My father looks at me like I was crazy and says "I wouldn't be caught dead in that car". Needless to say we didn't stop and check them out! About 12 years later we had moved to Arizona and my Uncle came down for the Barret Jackson auction. Back then it was in a parking lot and 1\20th of todays "experience". The rage back then was the Shelby 427 Cobra roadster. While walking into the auction there was 2 entering the auction. The side pipes were making the coolest lump-de lump noise and I said to my father "You should buy one of these cars and sit on it for a year, you would make a pretty profit from the sale. He looks at me and says " I wouldn't give $2,500 for that piece of....." I responded that the car was appreciating about $10,000 PER MONTH!! Went back the next year and sure enough the same cars were bringing $250,000 or $70,000 more than the previous year. Back then a Mercedes Gullwing was $90,000, Jag XKE Convertibles were $25,000, 1963 Split window Vettes were $15,000. My uncle was a Lagonda collector and had 2. One was pulled from a field in Singapore. He used to race it on Sundays around the local town. One was a racer and the other was a sedan. To say Cars have been a huge influence would be an understatement.
@David Rabenius - With all due respect for your Dad, he clearly didn't know squat about collector car values!
Sounds like he cared more about cars than he did about money. Some people are weird that way.
@@Loulovesspeed Or he was like my dad and uncle: Oldsmobiles on the way to arrive. Even after he had two million in cash and closed his shop, he restored two big block Olds. and they're not worth 10% what any of these other cars are worth. So we're keeping them: Olds 98's big blocks, as new. And we drive them. Tight engines actually get pretty good gas mileage.
I thought the appraiser was spot on. It's a beautiful car. The owner should be proud of having a beauty like this in his garage. 😎
Thanks for bringing back some memories. A friend of mine had a 4-speed Hemi Superbird back in high school. He did all of the stupid teenager stuff to it back then that would have reduced the value. It's nice seeing you go over this car and seeing all of the parts of it as I remember them.
Who was it, the high school kid, that owned a million dollar car? A running Hemi 4 speed combo has never been cheap, even when Superbirds were undesirable. What high school kid drives a 20' long, 5' tall car that gets 12 mpg at best?
@@mwilliamshs In 1970 a used one was under $3500. And gas was under 30 cents a gallon. It was a long time ago.
@@scottnelson1713 a used 1970 superbird in 1970 would be unusual. A used hemi 4 speed car insured by a high school would never cheap. A daily driven hemi car would never cheap to maintain. How many 1970 hemi 4 speed superbirds were made?
I neither want to cause a ruckus nor call the veracity of anyone’s comments into question. I have personally owned: 1972 302 Ford Maverick Grabber, 1978 Dodge Little Red Express Truck, 1986 Ford Mustang GT (triple black) Convertible. All were OEM equipped and unadulterated- except for the Grabber b/c my father in law thought it would be a good idea to remove the decals and add a manual sunroof. All were purchased used and the total for all three was less than 15K. Assuming all survived and were in similar condition as when I sold them, what would the current market value be? In addition, my HS friend/neighbor owned a 340 Dodge Dart and a 383 Plymouth Roadrunner. If memory serves me correctly, the combined total sale price for both was less than $1K. Both were complete cars in fair condition and this was in the mid 1970’s. Lastly, my cousin owned a brand new GTO JUDGE, I don’t recall the year and my stepbrother bought a brand new Mustang Mach1 after his discharge from Viet Nam - possibly 68/69?
My point being is that we were all of modest means but still owned vehicles that were not outrageously priced during that time period but might be highly value in today’s market.
@@mwilliamshs Every highschooler that could buy one did.
These things are gonna' go nowhere but down. The entire muscle car hobby is aging out. I'm 58 and I'm at the younger end of the hobby. I've owned Superbirds, Daytonas, a Hemi Charger, a Shaker Hood 440 'Cuda, quite a lot of muscle Mopars. Same thing is going to happen to these as happened to big dog classic prewar cars - the hobby aged out of them. When I was a teenager, I drove Road Runners and 'Cudas to my job restoring Pierce-Arrows, Packards, Cords, and a host of other major cars for a local very wealthy collector who had 72 cars. I now own a '29 Packard Club Sedan with all its original paperwork and a very interesting history, it was a ground-up restoration on a 29,000 mile car 20 years ago, and I paid less for it than it would have cost back in the early 1980s. I guarantee, it cost three times what I paid for it to restore it in 1999/2000. I'm still heavily involved in old Mopar restorations, I caution people all the time, buy these cars with your heart, not your head, because in the next decade, they are going to nose dive in value - the average muscle car enthusiast is 65-75 years old. In ten years, they're not going to be that worried about the cars, they're going to be more concerned about their kidneys functioning.
Sorry to say, but I hope you're right. I'm 55 and would love to get a classic car but finances won't allow it.
There are several articles out there saying America's love affair with the car is starting to weaken. Millions today, especially in the city, would rather call an Uber a few times a week than pay $30K for a car plus insurance plus gas plus repairs. Many more kids today are home staring at screens than out cruising the strip.
Absolutely correct. Boomers are too old or out of money and no one else really desires these or even anything pre 1980s or so. 200 grand for a car like this doesn't add up; this particular market just doesn't have the rampant speculation to support the massively inflated prices. I wouldn't be surprised if this is $40k in 15 years.
@@chimrichalds5205 40k for a restored a superbird in a couple years, dude what the hell are you smoking? spit my coffee out laughing when I read this....
@@briankendallRyanandBrian Theres a lot of 80s/90s street rods that are now priced pretty well...back then were 70, some over 100k.
Has to be a demand. Most young people love new stuff.... To go backwards for them makes no sense .Tougher to drive worse mpg few or no creature comforts and didnt grow up wiht them
Ill be dead by the time they get super affordable but I believe old cars are SO grossly overinflated its not even funny
@@gordocarbo best buy yourself a 120k brand new half ton truck, lets compare value in 10 years lol....
Totally Insane pricing on these. All of them matter of fact really. I wish I would've kept all those muscle cars I had back then.
Aussie here.... that's a cool looking car. It reminds me of the sort of Hot Wheels vehicle I would have been stoked to receive as a kid.
Hay upside down guy i had it in hot wheels to
Its not just that. The main reason they were high on insurance is because they were the 1st production car to hit 200 mph. The insurance companies knew this. Thats why insurance is not cheap on theses gems of the past. Back in the day they were cheap to buy but the insurance was too high. The dealer blamed it on the looks of the car but thats not true. Most people would love too own this car. I know i would. There was also a special edition Camaro in 69. It had alot of hp. Very expensive for insurance. But if i could afford it i would put in in storage because it is a gem. 😮
The winged cars indeed hit 200 mph but those were the nascar versions. The production ones off the assembly line you would be lucky to get 130 mph out of them .
That restoration for a superbird having original engine block is top notch....period.
Appraisal means nothing. Its worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay for it
Which is a very good point! It doesnt matter either what the owner thinks it is the price… utterly if you want to sell, the market will tell you the price… whether it is above o bellow expectations, that is something emotional.
100%, the idea of chasing hard numbers in appraisals works only for insurance not actual sales, especially with unique cars.
True, but an Appraisal gives you a baseline to work from. Im sure if someone really wanted it he could get $225-250K easy. As you said, it definitely depends on the buyer.
@dezz nutz if it's optioned correctly, i.e. engine and trans. This one doesn't have a hemi which drives the price down.
Actually it's what the insurance is willing to pay as well so it's not completely worth less
So unless you have a policy, that's one of those agreed upon sums which is generally more expensive. They'll usually only pay what the appraisal says it's worth.
back in the late 70's in our neighborhood there were a couple of red/orange superbirds, one of which was the poorer of the 2, owned by someone who lived on "the wrong side of the tracks". rumor was it had a 340 with an automatic, which of course makes no sense from a factory perspective. up until several years ago, I held out the possibility that there may have been a one off created as some kind of exception at the factory for one reason or another. given who owned it and where, it's possible someone could have replaced the 440 with a 340 for whatever reason. the only thing I regret is not tracking the guy down and making him an offer. even in beat up shape, that thing turned heads and would have been a blast to drive.
I respect the cars and owners that have went all the way and done a full nut and bolt restoration with all the correct everything with factory markings and all that so it looks like it just came from the factory. Having said that, in my opinion doing all that makes the car undriveable as it’s more of an expensive decoration than a car. Those cars were meant to be bought by everyday people to have fun with. I’d rather have a non numbers matching car that still looks good but not too good that you’re not afraid to enjoy it.
Mopars are getting a bit of a market correction. They were sky high for so long. My buddy has a one of one factory Daytona Modtop. The only modtop Daytona made and it was an SE car as well. A very hard car to appraise as there is nothing to compare it to.
Sell it to Leno.
It might have to do with the price of gas doubling.
Its cool cause its rare and factory built...... but myself Id expect a big discount for having a floral vinyl table cloth glued to the roof of a daytona LOL
@@jasonrackawack9369 Ya I know what you mean, that pattern is hideous.
This btw, is exactly the type of thing that many younger car enthusiasts are not into, all of these cars are one ofs or at most like three ofs if you dig into the options sheets enough.
I was in the navy stationed in Charleston, S.C., when I saw my first 1970 Superbird (brand new) sitting on a Plymouth dealer's lot. I was driving a stripped down 1969 Dodge Dart 340 Swinger I had bought in July of 1969 for $2,700. As I recall, the Superbird had a window sticker of around $4,500 (do not recall engine option and transmission). No way could I have afforded a car like that on my E-5 navy pay. But if I could have drove that car off the lot, I think I would have felt like king of Rt. 52 and I-26 (where I did a lot of street racing with my 340 Swinger). I was amazed at how the super cars were getting more and more power each year, spoilers, graphics, etc. I thought it was going to go on and on. Wrong! Then in 1971 Ford and GM started dropping engine compression, retarding camshaft and ignition timing, etc. (Mopar got in another year [1971] before they started cutting back performance. But as luck would have it, I had no idea we would have such powerful street cars like we have today.
I read these kind of muscle cars used would go for as low as $500 during the so-called energy crisis of the 1970s, sitting on a used car lot for well over a year.
Seeing the pop up about the Superbird Daytona club, I know who started it and recall seeing their driveway loaded with Superbirds and a Daytona in their garage (about a mile from where I live). Today they don't have as many as they once did back in the 80's.
Daniel Marek, who might that be my friend, if you don't mind me asking?
Had a chance to buy an identical Superbird in 1985 for $10k! Car was in Aragon ,Ga. and was sitting off the side of a garage with no cover with about 7700 actual miles. All it need was a repaint.I couldnt raise the money at the time.Found out about 2 yrs. later Tim Wellborn had bought the car and restored it.Coulda , woulda, shoulda!
My 71 Plymouth Cuda 340 was all original with all the options. The little old guy who ordered it wanted columb shift and bench seats!
But it's still a 'Cuda! My '71 Roadrunner was a column shift, bench seat, open rear-end car . . .
I had a 70 cuda, the car was beautiful but. The guy apparently blew the 440 4 spd and put in a automatic 318!
Standard equipment, even on a 'Cuda. Plymouths were supposed to be more affordable, so they had more basic features compared to a Dodge. I remember seeing a 1970 Hemi Cuda for sale and it had a bench seat, column automatic, and basic instrument cluster.
I absolutely love Superbirds!!! It's my #2 all time favorite Mopar!!! My #1 is the 69 Dodge Charger Daytona!!! I would be beyond over the moon to get either one though!!!! They are just a sweet sight!!!!
My first new car was a 69-383. When they brought out the Superbird in 70, god did I want one those. Would still love to own either of them today. Can you grasp that I was driving the wheels of the thing 54 years ago, never for a moment thinking that I was driving a future classic. What a great era 68/70 was and to expedience it as a mad as brush 21 year old. Would love to revisit the States/Canada and rattle one of those down the road once again.
This guy has a good collection going on.
I think we all would of we had that kind of money lol
This is a storage facility in LA that rents out spaces to collectors that don't have secure parking at home
@@email4664 That's fascinating, and explains everything!
I always thought the Superbirds had a non-adjustable wing. That wing looked like it had the lock hole like a Daytona. Sweet ride. I'm mighty jealous.
Number 2 condition?!?!If the scale goes from 1-5, which is generally what I see in price guides, how can this not be a 1? If this is a 2, then what’s a 3,4,5? For this car to be this perfect and restored from reputable source, I’m really struggling to see how we can have only 5 number system. My cars wouldn’t make 5th condition
It's like in anything collectable. Tiny details make the difference. Some of the parts used in the restoration might be aftermarket replacement and not original or new old stock. That makes a difference. Look at other collectables. The difference in a mint state 65 and 70 coin van be huge. Same with a 90% vs 95% in firearms. At the top of the scale little things can add up.
If it had the correct glass, and NO reproduction parts at all, then it could be considered for #1 car grading.
Back in 1978, when i was thirteen, a dude took me for some doughnuts in a Superbird...He really loved that car and since i was on break...why not....We did doughnuts on a dirt lot! I didn't think much of it them but now? wow! what an experience!..I told him it reminded me of the batmobile...Little did i Know....Hell, i was 13 for gaudsake! (Outside Los Aguirre's Mexican Rest. South Lake Tahoe, circa 1978)
The appraiser mentioned Mopar taxicabs...when you consider what you are getting for your money with this Superbird, a 4-door 1970 Coronet with a 440 actually looks mighty attractive. (A Slant would be even less outlay...probably under $10K for a driver quality machine.)
The car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The valuation might not be what the owner thought it would be, but I'm guessing he can still get the 225K number.
Lot times depends on Seller is willing hold out for the price. I've watched at least dozen Muscle Cars for sale 2-3yrs until got the desired price
Not only do we need to see more of these videos, we need to see more of these cars, and we need to see the glory of our yesteryear restored. EV vehicles are going to take over the internal combustion engine, and these beautiful examples will be even rarer to see and hear . Keep up the great work
Gonna be 30 to 50 years before EV takes over. The elephant in the room is mining production and energy generation. We will need @ double the power generating capacity to allow 150,000,000 people to get home from work and plug in their 240 volt, 50 amp car charger.
We need to see more of these videos
We had the 70 Super B, with pistol grip Shift, 383 Mangum and the hood scoops for induction.....Awesome car.....
I never met a man who didn't grind going into 3rd gear on a pistol grip.
Have always liked the High Wing cars! 👍👍
Gorgeous Superbird, he got you on a couple minor technical issues but personally I love it. Drive the wheels off it, it is perfect like it is.
Nailed it CC. Cool car, and a driver.
A local dealer had four of these new when they came out. As noted in earlier comments, they didn’t sell because they were expensive at the time ($4,500ish IIRC) and insurance was hideously expensive because the nose was hand laid fiberglass, extremely fragile, and replacement was about 1/4th the cost of the whole car. The story was that they ended up wholesaling them at auction for about $2,500 each.
You need to remember that the average guy was probably making about $5,000 a year at that time.
I always enjoy this series, in particular for the variety of vehicles featured. Out of curiosity, how hard is it to determine that a fender tag such as this one is truly original and not a reproduction?
I’m spitballing here. He probably can’t verify it
Have Philly cheese steak or Mark Worman verify it
First: lettering is raised not punched in, which is harder to fake.
Second, when you see enough you can tell the font and spacing is correct.
A fake one could fool a cop but it would be very difficult to fool an enthusiast.
@@hphpackardlowrey2776 That's why I asked, because in this day and age, none of that sounds too terribly difficult to replicate.
@@VirtualGuth OK how would you do it to match perfectly then
What a NEATO car - and as the owner mentioned - they had trouble selling them back when new. Nice color - and the owner seems to have a nice usable car on his hands - lucky guy and great to see his smile he get from his car. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA (HA - where a SUPERBIRD would not fit in the average suburban carparking space - HA).
Chris, you have an awesome car! She is a head turner for sure!
People used to just laugh at them
Glad to have a long burning question answered about the horn. Thank you.
I keep looking at that F40 stowed away🤗
Those are real classics not many cars nowadays will ever appreciate in value like the Superbird and other classic cars of that time those were real muscle cars💪
Once the boomers die I am not buying one
That’s a beautiful car.
I wouldn’t own a car like that but hopefully someone will give this gentleman $200,000 for it. (:
Unfortunate click bait title. The real story is the difference between a professional appraiser who is well versed with the current sales for these cars and the optimistic estimate by an enthusiastic owner. No drama here. Even the owner was quite accepting of the difference of opinion. Otherwise good video of how to properly appraiser the value of a classic car.
Yeah what he said.
Beautiful car. I have always loved these winged cars.
I love the Superbird! I would want a 4 speed with a 440 6 pack, though not an automatic.
It would be costly to try and buy that sweet of a Super Bird at Barrett for much less than what the owner said he wanted, at $225k thats a nice solid score
I like the 440 4 barrel. You could beat on that drive train all day and hurt it.
I've seen high school kids do it.
Twas a new car though.
Cool car.
Charlie Wilson, I think you forgot the word "NOT" between and...and.... hurt it....
I knew a guy back some years ago that had a 70 Plymouth Super Bird...The odd thing about that car was it has a 426 hemi that came out of a 69 Daytona....Years prior when the cars weren't worth anything the original owner had both a Daytona and Superbird...He took the Hemi out of the Daytona and put it in his Superbird because he wanted the extra power in the Plymouth because it was a better driving car and that's the way it stayed....It was an odd car because of it...The guy was from my area he ended up selling it as a non-numbers matching car for around 70k around 2010
Beautiful car
I'd love to visit that garage!
I had the chance to buy one , 440 Four speed in 1981 for $3500.
I would feel dumber if I actually had the $3500.
Never had a chance to snap up one of these, but had a chance to buy two 69 Roadrunner GTX cars. One was a 440 automatic, the other was a 383 4 spd. Could have bought the pair for $5000. I too did not have the money but new it was a good deal.
@@unclemarksdiyauto My even dumber story is I sold my 69 440, four speed roadrunner the day I graduated high school for $600. 1980 by the way!
@@johnjubie7144 That is what they were worth! Will we be sorry that we sold what we are driving today when we look back in 20 years?
@@unclemarksdiyauto You're probably right.
@@johnjubie7144 Who really knows for sure, John. Maybe the muscle cars of today will be worth something. But not our Dodge Grand Caravan! Lol!
Thanks. Super informative. Would absolutely love to own a Plymouth Superbird!
200k usd no thanks
That's an awesome car. I'd love to buy one but I only use cars for toting bodies and grocery runs.
A b-body trunk is perfect 👌
Now I am going to look up this Julius fella.
I have seen actual survivor examples, that said, I think the restorations tend to be over done. That car has a lot of body color paint in places where there are normally black parts and the factory paint shop thought about body color paint as the gun passed by that area. The most recent one I saw was a survivor because it was a grocery getter so yup, they are out there and in the strangest of places.
There were still alot of unrestored survivor cars in the 90s. They actually looked like cheap junk. Ever watched movie Joe Dirt? That was like me in late 80s early 90s. You were a broke redneck if you drove these muscle cars back then, even if it was in good shape
The six barrel 440 was more powerful, but weren’t they very hard to keep tuned and balanced? Wouldn’t the single four make a far more enjoyable non-race, show car because it was so much easier to start and keep tuned?
Looking around, I don't think that guy cares about $20k.
If you get two guys bidding and both really want that car, you will hit your number. There are people out there with crazy money. Price isn't an object.
In 1970 I drove a car exactly like that one at a car lot in Wausau Wisconsin, and it could be the same car. I almost traded my 1969 Super Bee on it but just couldn't get past the fact that it had the 727 instead of the 4-speed like my Bee. I passed on it and regretted it when I bought a '68 GTX with 727 a few years later. So had a '69 Bee, '68 GTX and '73 Challenger Super Stock at the same time, but still know that I should have snagged that Bird when I had the chance.
Do you still have anyone of them?? 😃 How was the GTX?
@@paperandpavement -- All gone in the 80's but had another 50+ cars over time and most of them MoPars, including my current Chrysler Crossfire 6-speed although that is mostly built by Mercedes. The GTX was awesome. Got it to run in the mid 13's back in the day.
This Superbird was in Wisconsin in '70's
@@sheldonaubut you sound like a person that has a awesome life story. I wish i could come across a gtx sometime, Its my brothers favorite muscle car. I currently have a 1970 dodge Charger but it needs a TON of work. My goal this summer is to work hard and get it running 😃. I love this car because it has a deep sentimental meaning to me, but deep down inside i cant help but love the 68 Charger a bit more. Nice hearing your story Sheldon!
@@ebodycab -- I wonder if this is the same car. It sat at the dealer for some months before they fobbed it off on another lot and they just couldn't sell it. If memory serves me, and it often doesn't, they offered it to me for about $3,800.
He’s still got a fantastic car no matter what the price. It’ll always be an investment.
$25k for a sheet of paper & a 6-pack. Wow....
Ever drive one of these old cars? It's awful and terrifying in just about every way. Modern cars are amazing. This thing belongs in a museum.
Put it on the block, 200k all day, but find the right guy who has to have this and then you start getting to the 225k neighborhood. If you find 2 guys who just have to have this, then you start seeing 250k when you pit their egos against each other.
Anyone that wants one can go on you tube and punch in car and you will get the buyers coming out, just let it sit till you get what you want
Those guys are dieing off.
The people who are stupid enough to blow 200k on something like this are either 1. dead or 2. broke by now. He may be able to sell it now but in 10 years he'd have to give it away,
Good show and information
Plenty ofderps will pay more
Like Chris said the value is in the eye of the beholder. I would have guessed its worth at least $350,000 as the restoration is top notch and the paint is beautiful. If you drove that car you I bet you would agree. Great show nonetheless.
I almost bought one. I guessed 220.
I like to drive my cars, no garage art, no investments just drivers all 14. Each time l drive my 72 365 GTC, 70 Ghibli SS, 75 Countach or any of the other cars it is an event and l'm smiling the entire time. Not too long ago a friend let me drive his blue Superbird with the six pack and 727 auto. I have to say it only real attribute was the looks it received. The steering was slow and numb, wallowing suspension, poor brakes and from a dead stop not very fast. I'm not saying it's not worth $200k but to anyone who expects some magical street going Nascar racer it is not. It's just an old Plymouth with a funny nose. It's value lies in it's historic value and it's prestige amongst American car collectors. This one looks like a fine example
Better get used to it Boomers and the few wealthy Gen X. There is no market for buyers of these cars within the next 10 years. Get out while you can.
Yup
I distinctly remember a beige Superbird at local Concord MA dealership back in the day so I dunno about that "only" colors bit. I told the dealer I would be back in 2 years to buy it if they didn't move it -dealer dude said a lot of looks zero buyers, it wasn't going anywhere. A few dealers cut 'em up to make sell-able Belvederes out of them. I was 17. I ended up getting the 'Cuda instead, lol. 👀
I can't be the only car enthusiast who thinks 'Superbirds' are super dumb and weird looking.
They certainly weren't dumb, they accomplished exactly what they were built for.
Yes they were odd back when they came out, weren’t popular, but now whoa Nellie.
I like em modified, though I get a lot of hate for it, I think they look really good when they have been lowered, not scrape the floor lowered though.
@@toe-b203 Your right they look much better lowered, it's not a permanent modification, the competition versions were all lowered.
The front and rear are stinking ugly!
eyes of the beholder, my friends 👀
Built for speed, not beauty
When i was a kid,we thought these cars were ridiculous and not cool at all. Now the regular Roadrunners,Super Bees and Chargers hell yeah. But these were considered just dorky looking and nobody really wanted one. But hey Edsels are valuable now. Who saw that coming?
Waste of cash, 75K at most.
As my Grandpa use to tell me "boy, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder". And I'm drinkin' beer right now and she's a beautiful girl! Love that car.
FYI...my 70 Roadrunner has the secondary VIN stamped on the core support facing the engine, not on the flat side...
5:50. I don't know Mopar, but among the first generation Camaros (67-69), there is an entire industry built around reproducing fake firewall tags (e.g., to pass off non Z/28 cars as potentially Z/28). On Camaros, the factory used a unique, almost impossible to reproduce epoxy to seal the rivets holding those tags to the firewall. When those tags get removed during a resto, it destroys the provenance of the tag/car. It can be re-established through a lot of hard work, but it's just a lot better to leave those tags alone.
I'm not sure what Mopar did to affix the tags to the cars, but those philips head screws holding down the tag sure look modern. Any concerns about that?
The windscreen has an SABS (South African Bureau Of Standards) mark on it so it could be a PG Glass window in which case it is correct for the superbird?
I don't know that I would want a Superbird or Daytona. But I would definitely like to have a Mopar from that era
Why wouldn’t the super birds in particular not have the secondary vin on the radiator support? It’s a roadrunner as you know and the rad supports we’re not altered during conversion. This leads me to believe that this front rad support was replaced. Usually I’d move the vin over from the old support but they didn’t feel the need to or were not able to.
While I do love the old Daytonas and Superbirds, I never thought that a little fiberglass in the front and rear of the car was a big deal. My 69 Road Runner was a 440 3- 2v (Six Pack) and 4 speed car, fun to drive but not super fast in the quarter. My 69 Dodge Dart 340 six-pack was faster in the quarter, faster than most of the cars I raced in the early 1970s.
Late model technology blew away all of that "no replacement for displacement" thinking and there are 4 cyl cars that will blow a Superbird off the road, and needless to say there are EVs that are downright insane in the speed dept....
That yellow Superbird is beautiful, and worth every penny of that 200K. If it were mine selling it could never be an option- it is a vehicle that you leave a son or daughter, of very best friend at the end of life, LMHO....
Great upload, well worth the watch !
First off I'm not Superbird fan, but love ❤ the dodge Daytona chargers but I must disagree with the title of this video,meaning how can anyone lose money on a Plymouth Superbird based on engine, or transmission options that were not chosen at the time of original purchase, there are preferred options that make the vehicle worth more but in the end nobody loses money 💰..
Beautiful car, and the same colour as Pikachu. I want one
Car looks amazing.
Motortrend just posted a video from Mecum Kissimmee 2023 of a '70 Superbird 440 6 barrel 4 speed that sold for $170k. When I watched this a few days ago, my guess on value was around $150k and I think that's a much more reasonable figure. Maybe a few years ago it would have gone over $200k, but I think a lot of the muscle car high water marks are starting to recede.
Boomers are dying or out of money, '50-70s cars are going to crater unless a new crowd comes along to speculate like with 'art'
Recede?… not hardly!
@@Cstoreri Super rare stuff (Hemi anything, Boss 429, COPO) still brings crazy money, but not cars like this. Boomers are starting to age out.
I have seen these sitting on the dealership lots unsold in 1971.
I thought they looked awesome, but I was 16 years old at the time.
Classic cars are like fine art, you're not paying for the paint, you're paying for the legacy
I have a collector car also. Not that old but not many made, a 1990 1LE-IROC-Z , no air or radio, manual windows and door locks. Has an alum driveshaft from the factory. With 6.3 miles on the od.
I found two 1970s dodge hemi engines... I was supposed to get a finders bonus....but you know how that story goes...NOW I know how to play the game a lot better...
The rear left corner trunk seal looks wonky? Compare with right side rear corner, they look different?
Didn't mention the hardware, bolts, etc. Sometimes, it gets down to that but since it's a base engine/trans., there's no need to get any further into it.
At 16 years old I took my Drivers Lessons (1972) in an Orange 70 Superbird 440 4 bbl Automatic with bucket seats, it was a promo car for Ringers Auto School in Saugus MA - car was really ratty and ran crappy until the the revs were up and the 4 bbl opened lol
Id say its worth one-ten... No way this is a $200K car. Old Chris is probably upside down on this bird to the tune of several tens of thousands.