Wow, they really dropped the ball. I was excited about the idea of moogerfooger plug-ins, but it’s like they just made plugins based on the feature set and not an emulation at all. They should have worked with UAD or Softube.
I have the Z version of the pedal and the external loop is rad and unlike anything else, you can feed the echos thru the phaser for some gnarly sounding effects.
From a delay standpoint you’re right. I think the selling point here is having the collection and the interaction between them. Soundtoys has its effect rack as well but doesn’t have the CV connectivity.
@@river718 if I can get my hands on them I’ll definitely be putting them up against my beloved Moogs… if the Model D is anything to go by I suspect they will be very good.
The 104 is legendary. I think the plugin sounds pretty good, but it doesn't sound exactly right when you're trying to do self-oscillations. I think it's pretty good for normal delay lines though.
I like the idea of integrating Moogerfoogers into DAW in a much easier and manageable manner, but these plugins sound nothing like their analog counterpart :(
As always brilliant video review, I’m just about thinking of buying these plug-ins I really didn’t like the way the delay sounded, I wonder if you’ve had any more chance to play with it because I believe there is some kind of analog setting you can get to under the hood on the plug in
Nice to see. I'm surprised they delay is so different as plugin. And the drive/output bug is just not acceptable. But the sound quality is so different anyway so probably not even worth doing it right. Maybe if you call them Mr Drive and Mr Output they would get proper attention from the Mowg team. (Sorry, had to.)
Well, this software suite is sort of disappointment. A proper software emulation of a hardware unit is a really complex job that requires a lot of expertise and experience. I wish Moog did a collaboration with Softube guys, then the final product would be almost indistinguishable from the hardware except probably some extreme use cases and the cost will be justified by the quality. Great work on plugin skins though, really an eye candy.
Not intentional. I had trouble with levels for some reason with this video and had to re upload with the vocals much louder. Perhaps that clip was caught in the uplift.
@@StarskyCarr Sorry my mistake. I was listening on my laptop speakers earlier and the right speaker is a bit naff. On headphones now and it sounds much closer volumes.
Hi, thanks for the demo ! Just on question, where did you find the plugin to control the hardware pedal ? Could you share a link or infos about it please. Nice vidéo by the way. Thank you. Ps: is there one plugin for the midimurf too ?
Great review. As an owner of several of the HW units, I've been on the fence as to whether or not to purchase the plugin versions. One question though - where did you get the controller panel for the hidden MIDI functions on the hardware? I'll probably end up getting the plugins as they're more eurorack friendly out of the box (using expert sleepers). I would definitely get the controller panel if it's available!
I cant remember tbh.. just google it and send a few hours searching ;). Haha,... but really Im sure it must have just popped up for me pretty easily as I can't imagine I spent too long looking, Let me know if you can't find it and I;ll see if I can find the link
@@StarskyCarr The only thing I could find was the device panel that someone built for cubase but since it's xml I tried to import it into Logic but got an invalid file format error. It was from the kvr audio forum. Is that the one you used?
@@boblasser5524 I think it was this one … but can’t open as I’m in my phone. But it’s definitely a CTRLR panel ctrlr.org/forums/topic/moog-moogerfooger-104m-analog-delay-panel/
I completely missed the hardware and still want them instead. I hope Moog will re-issue all the Foogers. I don't know what it is but I have yet to hear anything Moog be modeled accurately.
Wait, what is that control interface you’re using to expand the capabilities of the hardware? …and how can we get them to write a similar control panel for the awesome but neglected MIDI Murf?
@@StarskyCarr I used to have that, but they never updated it to 64bit, so it's been years since it would even install & I actually forgot it existed. It'd be great if they'd update it. Do you keep an older computer just to run yours? Might be an idea.
Try them before saying they suck. You don't think updates are coming..lol Moogetfoogers for 150.00 should they be the same? I have all of the hardware and software they sound different. Yes,but not.bad
It's impossible to satisfy all people, but still there's a non trivial part of the population that doesn't hear as well from both ears. So left right comparisons aren't ideal. Or at the very least, switch left & right every so often.
@@magusreaver I, myself am not deaf, but I know many folks who are hard of hearing. It really is just blatant ableism when there are poor or no subtitles on anything that can have them
They're fun, and they're useful and they've got the interesting modular capabilities of patching together, but they don't sound exactly like the originals.
Wow, they really dropped the ball.
I was excited about the idea of moogerfooger plug-ins, but it’s like they just made plugins based on the feature set and not an emulation at all.
They should have worked with UAD or Softube.
100%
I am never going to spring for the hardware, and for 150 bucks, I get some pretty unique results in the box, I'm happy.
I just purchased this bundle and I'm very happy that they were released even if they are not exactly like the hardware orginals...
Same here
I have the Z version of the pedal and the external loop is rad and unlike anything else, you can feed the echos thru the phaser for some gnarly sounding effects.
I tried them and felt that aside from “it’s Moog”, the delay didn’t add more than say echoboy. Your review convinced me I was right!
From a delay standpoint you’re right. I think the selling point here is having the collection and the interaction between them. Soundtoys has its effect rack as well but doesn’t have the CV connectivity.
The hardware version is amazing. I understand the insane prices now. Reissue please!
Haha… I only did this to increase the value of mine 😂
@@StarskyCarr lol😄
Why dont they reissue the actual hardware pedals again already….
Hiya… FYI I’ve re-uploaded as the sound was doing something very odd in the last one - this seems better. Good question.
Because everything has to go digital in order for you to own nothing and be happy in 2030.
@@StarskyCarr big fan of your videos! Thanks 🙏
I wonder the same thing, but I'm pretty sure the BoogerFoogers from Behringer will prove satisfying whenever those are available for purchase....
@@river718 if I can get my hands on them I’ll definitely be putting them up against my beloved Moogs… if the Model D is anything to go by I suspect they will be very good.
The 104 is legendary. I think the plugin sounds pretty good, but it doesn't sound exactly right when you're trying to do self-oscillations. I think it's pretty good for normal delay lines though.
The only thing this video convinced me of is that I want a hardware unit even more now
I like the idea of integrating Moogerfoogers into DAW in a much easier and manageable manner, but these plugins sound nothing like their analog counterpart :(
Thank you !!
Great video. Thanks for doing it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
As always brilliant video review, I’m just about thinking of buying these plug-ins I really didn’t like the way the delay sounded, I wonder if you’ve had any more chance to play with it because I believe there is some kind of analog setting you can get to under the hood on the plug in
Nice to see.
I'm surprised they delay is so different as plugin. And the drive/output bug is just not acceptable. But the sound quality is so different anyway so probably not even worth doing it right.
Maybe if you call them Mr Drive and Mr Output they would get proper attention from the Mowg team. (Sorry, had to.)
I just like the name of these things.
I'm surprised you didn't do a much longer video comparing more of them.
This took 2 days!! 😂😂
Leeeegend, just what I was wanting know.
The hardware is superb.
Great video! Thanks :) What software are you using to control the moogerfooger hardware?
It’s a CTRLR panel.
I owned a 104M Super Delay once but could not resist selling it for a fortune on E-Bay. :P
Haha and who could blame you! Try the Eventide Rose as a replacement. I’ve got a side by side demo on here.
Well, this software suite is sort of disappointment. A proper software emulation of a hardware unit is a really complex job that requires a lot of expertise and experience. I wish Moog did a collaboration with Softube guys, then the final product would be almost indistinguishable from the hardware except probably some extreme use cases and the cost will be justified by the quality. Great work on plugin skins though, really an eye candy.
yes they obviously haven't even been trying here tbh. Shame. Missed opportunity.
2:45 why have you got the software demo set a lot quieter than the hardware?
Not intentional. I had trouble with levels for some reason with this video and had to re upload with the vocals much louder. Perhaps that clip was caught in the uplift.
@@StarskyCarr Sorry my mistake. I was listening on my laptop speakers earlier and the right speaker is a bit naff. On headphones now and it sounds much closer volumes.
Hi, thanks for the demo ! Just on question, where did you find the plugin to control the hardware pedal ? Could you share a link or infos about it please.
Nice vidéo by the way. Thank you.
Ps: is there one plugin for the midimurf too ?
Yeah there’s a Moog plug-in for the MuRF it’s great for designing your own ‘sequences’.
Great review. As an owner of several of the HW units, I've been on the fence as to whether or not to purchase the plugin versions. One question though - where did you get the controller panel for the hidden MIDI functions on the hardware? I'll probably end up getting the plugins as they're more eurorack friendly out of the box (using expert sleepers). I would definitely get the controller panel if it's available!
I cant remember tbh.. just google it and send a few hours searching ;). Haha,... but really Im sure it must have just popped up for me pretty easily as I can't imagine I spent too long looking, Let me know if you can't find it and I;ll see if I can find the link
@@StarskyCarr The only thing I could find was the device panel that someone built for cubase but since it's xml I tried to import it into Logic but got an invalid file format error. It was from the kvr audio forum. Is that the one you used?
@@boblasser5524 I think it was this one … but can’t open as I’m in my phone. But it’s definitely a CTRLR panel
ctrlr.org/forums/topic/moog-moogerfooger-104m-analog-delay-panel/
@@StarskyCarr Thank you!
still waiting for the Behringer clones
Haha isn’t everyone!
Good work.
I completely missed the hardware and still want them instead. I hope Moog will re-issue all the Foogers. I don't know what it is but I have yet to hear anything Moog be modeled accurately.
@4:00 what is that display you are using to visualize the waveforms?
Meldaproductions free oscilloscope
Hmmm.. high feedback settings on a plugin is an absolute trash, harsh and unusable
exactly total garble...
Wait, what is that control interface you’re using to expand the capabilities of the hardware? …and how can we get them to write a similar control panel for the awesome but neglected MIDI Murf?
Did you know Moog has its own MIDI MuRF software controller? You can edit the sequences and stuff on it :)
@@StarskyCarr I used to have that, but they never updated it to 64bit, so it's been years since it would even install & I actually forgot it existed. It'd be great if they'd update it. Do you keep an older computer just to run yours? Might be an idea.
Try them before saying they suck.
You don't think updates are coming..lol
Moogetfoogers for 150.00 should they be the same?
I have all of the hardware and software they sound different. Yes,but not.bad
It's impossible to satisfy all people, but still there's a non trivial part of the population that doesn't hear as well from both ears.
So left right comparisons aren't ideal. Or at the very least, switch left & right every so often.
I’m going back to mono/central - got to
try different things now and then and I agree, I don’t think this works as well.
Sounds a bit disappointing TBH. I have better free delays.
Can’t you change the brightness & other things in the setting on each plugin. ?
You have 3 brightness settings on the delay.
Moo-ger Foo-ger 🐮🐄
Pale imitation
subtitles please
It’s still processing… come back later and they should be here :)
dont ever try watchn trainspotting or any guy ritchie film if ur have trubl here mate
@@soulballet see that's still a problem though. Hard of hearing or deaf folks shouldn't be pushed out of enjoying things because of their disability.
@@autumnbrushtail YOu know, I never thought about a deaf synth fan until now.
@@magusreaver I, myself am not deaf, but I know many folks who are hard of hearing. It really is just blatant ableism when there are poor or no subtitles on anything that can have them
Ah man... this is disappointing. they could have done so much better than this.
Oh the feedback is really night and day, how unfortunate.
They're fun, and they're useful and they've got the interesting modular capabilities of patching together, but they don't sound exactly like the originals.
This plugin actually sounds pretty bad… really an abyss of difference from the (amazing) hardware