Melinoe: "I can't believe you had the audacity to trick the creator themself." Chronos: "Hey, don't look at me. Even I can't believe how easy it was to pull that shit off." Chronos is such an asshole, I love him.
@GooglyGook12 just personafies chaos too much, makes it less grand and ancient and more sissy and quirky and using they them for it feels like using something new to describe something older than everything before we used pronouns like we did today. Especially its character design, greatly inferior to the original. Too orderly, too neat, not very chaotic but people like it because Chaos is hot now.
@@vladdreemurr40 Nah Supergiant changed the lore to remove the incest. Demeter is the daughter of Helios I think, not Chronos, so he isn’t Persephone’s grandfather
Step 1: Kidnap Nyx to use as bargaining chips Step 2: Exchange Nyx to Chaos for Fate whereabouts Step 3: Chaos tell you everything you need on their own. Step 4: Ignore step 1 and 2.
Step 5: Piss Chaos off for the first time ever and teach the primordial creator animosity In Hades 1 Chaos was a blank slate with curiosity. They created the world but hadn't yet interacted with it greatly and experienced the emotions that comes with that. Zagreus started this on a hugely positive note and things really pushed along with Nyx reconnecting. It was neat cuz Chaos was being raised by their children and creations. However Chaos was still naive and pure hearted. Now they've been taught how to hate and oh boy. Really can't wait to see how supergiant pays this off.
Yea. Most people don't realize how powerful the Cthonic Gods were because after the Greek dark ages they focused more on the Olympians and fleshing them out. Theres a reason, for example, during the Odyssey that Zeus was VERY careful not to piss of "The mother of night" when she started complaining of the shenanigans going around causing her some idle headaches.
@Khontis 100%. The same reason Hades agreed to work WITH Nyx instead of overtaking the underworld. Nyx literally birthed the beings that dictate the fate of the gods themselves. If that isn't a testament to how ridiculously powerful she must be idk what is
Chaos is pretty indifferent. They don’t seem to care much for how everything turns out because the universe is a giant experiment. They made reality, set some parameters and sat back to watch it all play out. Even talking to you they don’t regard you in any way like a person. They talk to you like someone talking to a program they made. Even when talking about Chronos they didn’t care and were more concerned they compromised the integrity of the experiment on accident.
the Greek pantheon does love to think up cruel and unusual punishments for Titans dont they 💀 im looking forward to what this game will come up with in that scenario
I love how he comments that mel has come back to haunt him multiple times and says "is this really the best olympus can offer?" Like he hasnt gotten his ass handed to him at least once or twice by now
Honestly, it could be possible. Dumb theory, but what if in the game, we can free her (and maybe Persephone) and thus then can then grant boons. It’s a dumb thought, but we are still in Early Access, and I’m certain we’ll get at least 1 or 2 new gods along with Eris, Athena and Dionysus
Spoiler: after you find Hades he gives you boons. So, it's probable that Persephone, Nyx and even Zagreus give you boons too when we finally rescue them
Even if we don’t get boons from them, I think it’d be neat just bringing them back to the crossroads. I wonder how Nyx would react to Hypnos, lost in his endless slumber… Just slaps him awake lol
I believe we already see the three fates in hades 1. Do you remember the map of hades between levels? If you looks well there are Aleast 2 female with wings and in hood who look the map, I always thought they were fates
*10 Charisma Chronos* Chronos: I-I don't wish to kill the Fates, I just want to... Give them a gift? Chaos: if THAT'S the reason then i see no issue, they reside in this realm
Ouranus is not Chronos' father in Hades 2. You see, in Greek myth, there are two characters with his name: Chronos, the primordial incarnation of time, and Kronos, the titan of agriculture. The two are often thought to be the same, and Hades 2 played with this by actually having them be the same, but in actual myth they're not, Chronos is the son of Chaos and a brother to Nyx, while Kronos is the son of Ouranus (sky) and Gaia (earth) and father to Zeus and his siblings, and he has a scythe because of his association with agriculture (and he cut Ouranus' dick off because the children of Ouranus and Gaia were being born and squished between earth and sky, so the dick cutting caused Ouranus to fly off onto the top of the world). Hades 2 mixes them by having Chronos as the titan of time, and a direct son of Chaos, so in this continuity, he'd be a brother to Oceanus.
@@Macaulyn_97 is he said to be a son of Chaos in the game? Haven't seen any mentions of the such, and the way they both talk about the other, it doesn't seem to be like that
@@Macaulyn_97 Didn't Hades refer to Chronos as 'father' in the game though? I feel like Kronos and Chronos were indeed fused, but that the character is mostly Kronos still.
@@Macaulyn_97 In game they've referenced Chronos being cursed by the fates, and Chronos eating people. So I think they are going to run with the Kronos Myth that he overthrew his father, and so was cursed by the fates to be overthrown by his children.
Nah, if Nyx is up and moving she's fighting for the house back too. Remember that it's ultimately her domain that he's taken, she just permits Hades to wield the bulk of the authority and ruling while she prioritizes maintaining the realm itself. Plus he still has Zagreus, Thanatos, Meg, Persephone, and the rest of the house staff that she clearly cared about even if she didn't see them as family. Even if Chaos suggested that they simply withdraw from the conflict, I can't see her going along with it - I think it's more likely she'd fight regardless, and Chaos would ultimately join in her efforts. Chronos would have had to deal with the wrath of Night Incarnate AND Primordial Chaos in the aftermath, not just Chaos.
@@dakotamuich4108 Olympus is most likely his ultimate goal, it just makes the most sense to start with the Underworld since that's where his body has been since the war. Plus he need to rally an army quickly, and the undead are the most obvious choice - they don't care about injury, obey him without question, and can be brought back to fight again immediately with the underworld wide open. With control of the underworld he has a near endless supply
@@owenbridgers Would it tho? I mean they chopped him into a thousand tiny pieces and dumped him in the styx and reality was doing just fine afterwards.
Easily. Chaos is the most powerful entity in the Hades games, far and away, as they're the one responsible for all creation. Chaos just doesn't meddle much due to their curiosity
Chaos is the primordial creator of Greek mythos. All deities stem from them. Chaos simply chooses not to directly involve themselves in the matters of others, only doing so indirectly through others such as Zagreas and Melinoe. Tldr: yes.
You know'd be a hard twist? Chaos knew and wanted this to happen. Think about it, the gods have been living it up too well that shit in the universe gone quote stagnant. Chaos despises stagnation and lack of change. And things have gotten "Quite *Boring*"
yes is dumb to think " oh no this guy trick me" chaos and his kids are the personification of "order" (destiny and fate) or quite literally concepts very old . . . nix kids are all the bad things in existence and ERIS THE SAME
It seems like Chronos phrased his query regarding the location of the Fates in a manner that implied an experiment or pursuing one of Chaos' inquiries, he basically used Chaos' curiosity against him. Chaos doesn't really 'do' manipulation or lying and thanks to Zagreus' meddling in the prior game Chaos became more open to friendly and familial contact.
@@thomasparkin259Chaos is not really good at socializing with people. He is a giant nerd scientist that does not really think through the ramifications of his actions, he just too curious for his own good.
Chaos wanted to see what the world would look like without their influence. Chronos told them that he could help achieve this goal if they were to help him find them. Of course, Chronos conveniently left out that he would be using their absence to gain the upper hand.
I don't like Chaos's new design. It seems way too clean for a character meant to portray primordial entropy. I don't think Chaos in Hades 1 Even wore clothes
I think this design implies how chaos got closer to nyx and zagreus and is now taking a more human form as a physical manifestation of their now better relationship
@@Pi-is-Bi Not so much a robe as a... sort of floating ribbon of cloth, it doesn't give the impression of being worn, just sort of there. Which suits Chaos pretty well; I'm not sure they even have a full body in the first game, all you can see is head, torso, arms, and roiling mass of distorted faces. I think what I'm trying to get at is Hades Chaos went hard in a way Hades 2 Chaos just kind of doesn't. I guess it does make sense if this is a more sociable persona, but if there's one thing that primordial Chaos shouldn't be it's stuck in one shape; the premise of the sequel seems to preclude Chaos getting to go have friendly visits with people, so why aren't they in some extra-spicy angry abomination shape instead?
That’s disrespectful. Way more care have been put into these designs, and they’re way more intricately designed. Lore Olympus designs are generic enough for comparisons to be drawn between any design of these gods.
@@ma.2089I means come on lore Olympus has more accurate character design make hades more like parody hestia make to look like gramma when she just oldest among the sisters and aproite husband i forget his name litterally has a make foot and wheelchair why you need both like percy Jackson version just use walking stick.hermes litterally asian like what
@@SoughtAppleThe Gods in this series have always been designed like this, if it bothers you it's very obvious you're new to these games. The audacity to say Lore Olympus has better designs is crazy when all it uses this Mythos for is to write a mid romance 💀💀💀
It's a stitched-up corpse that has been kintsugi'd with gold. It's a rad design that evokes the imagery without a thousand fucking clocks on him or somethin
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Melinoe: "I can't believe you had the audacity to trick the creator themself."
Chronos: "Hey, don't look at me. Even I can't believe how easy it was to pull that shit off."
Chronos is such an asshole, I love him.
Themself? You mean Creation itself.
@@randomenvelope Nope. Everyone in Hades 1 and 2 use “them” when talking about Chaos.
@@rossvaljr.3852 ur right, feels wrong tho.
@@randomenvelope why?
@GooglyGook12 just personafies chaos too much, makes it less grand and ancient and more sissy and quirky and using they them for it feels like using something new to describe something older than everything before we used pronouns like we did today.
Especially its character design, greatly inferior to the original. Too orderly, too neat, not very chaotic but people like it because Chaos is hot now.
Chronos in 2 years after the speed runners have the game fully labbed out:
Okay so maybe I said some things...
Chronus you might be melionë's grandfather but chaos will show you, whose the real grandy of the universe 🗿
Chronos is a grandfather and grand grandfather at the same time :)
To bad he's introverted af
Chronos is the greatest grandfather there ever was or ever will be. By choice or by whim
@@vladdreemurr40 Nah Supergiant changed the lore to remove the incest. Demeter is the daughter of Helios I think, not Chronos, so he isn’t Persephone’s grandfather
@@Fullmetal_Gacha Helios is actually Demeter brother in this game and Hyperion Chronos's brother is their father
Step 1: Kidnap Nyx to use as bargaining chips
Step 2: Exchange Nyx to Chaos for Fate whereabouts
Step 3: Chaos tell you everything you need on their own.
Step 4: Ignore step 1 and 2.
On brand for both Chronos and Chaos. Time committing Elder abuse, and Chaos unthinkingly causing Chaos.
Step 5: Piss Chaos off for the first time ever and teach the primordial creator animosity
In Hades 1 Chaos was a blank slate with curiosity. They created the world but hadn't yet interacted with it greatly and experienced the emotions that comes with that. Zagreus started this on a hugely positive note and things really pushed along with Nyx reconnecting. It was neat cuz Chaos was being raised by their children and creations. However Chaos was still naive and pure hearted. Now they've been taught how to hate and oh boy. Really can't wait to see how supergiant pays this off.
"You were the best the Underworld and Olympus had to offer!"
"Considering I have now kicked your ass multiple times, I'd say that's a true statement."
I can only imagine what fate will be fall Chronos if there's a next game. It'd be interesting to see if Chaos themselves punish him.
Yea. Most people don't realize how powerful the Cthonic Gods were because after the Greek dark ages they focused more on the Olympians and fleshing them out.
Theres a reason, for example, during the Odyssey that Zeus was VERY careful not to piss of "The mother of night" when she started complaining of the shenanigans going around causing her some idle headaches.
@Khontis 100%. The same reason Hades agreed to work WITH Nyx instead of overtaking the underworld. Nyx literally birthed the beings that dictate the fate of the gods themselves. If that isn't a testament to how ridiculously powerful she must be idk what is
Chaos is pretty indifferent. They don’t seem to care much for how everything turns out because the universe is a giant experiment. They made reality, set some parameters and sat back to watch it all play out. Even talking to you they don’t regard you in any way like a person. They talk to you like someone talking to a program they made. Even when talking about Chronos they didn’t care and were more concerned they compromised the integrity of the experiment on accident.
@Khontis Don't forget when Hypnos pissed Zues off he ran to his mother Nyx and Zues left him alone
the Greek pantheon does love to think up cruel and unusual punishments for Titans dont they 💀 im looking forward to what this game will come up with in that scenario
I love how he comments that mel has come back to haunt him multiple times and says "is this really the best olympus can offer?" Like he hasnt gotten his ass handed to him at least once or twice by now
Man i wish Nyx was giving Blessings
Honestly, it could be possible. Dumb theory, but what if in the game, we can free her (and maybe Persephone) and thus then can then grant boons. It’s a dumb thought, but we are still in Early Access, and I’m certain we’ll get at least 1 or 2 new gods along with Eris, Athena and Dionysus
Or, and hear my wish fulfilment, Zagreus Boons ? Physically impossible ? Yes. Cool af ? Also yes.
Spoiler: after you find Hades he gives you boons. So, it's probable that Persephone, Nyx and even Zagreus give you boons too when we finally rescue them
Even if we don’t get boons from them, I think it’d be neat just bringing them back to the crossroads. I wonder how Nyx would react to Hypnos, lost in his endless slumber… Just slaps him awake lol
Well I wish Nyx would sit on my face
This makes me wish we’ll see Nyx’s redesign and maybe what the Three Fate sisters look like
I believe we already see the three fates in hades 1. Do you remember the map of hades between levels? If you looks well there are Aleast 2 female with wings and in hood who look the map, I always thought they were fates
The Titan of Time committing Elder abuse is on brand
*10 Charisma Chronos*
Chronos: I-I don't wish to kill the Fates, I just want to... Give them a gift?
Chaos: if THAT'S the reason then i see no issue, they reside in this realm
I wonder if they will make reference to Ouranos, Chronos’ father, in Hades II.
Ouranus is not Chronos' father in Hades 2. You see, in Greek myth, there are two characters with his name: Chronos, the primordial incarnation of time, and Kronos, the titan of agriculture. The two are often thought to be the same, and Hades 2 played with this by actually having them be the same, but in actual myth they're not, Chronos is the son of Chaos and a brother to Nyx, while Kronos is the son of Ouranus (sky) and Gaia (earth) and father to Zeus and his siblings, and he has a scythe because of his association with agriculture (and he cut Ouranus' dick off because the children of Ouranus and Gaia were being born and squished between earth and sky, so the dick cutting caused Ouranus to fly off onto the top of the world). Hades 2 mixes them by having Chronos as the titan of time, and a direct son of Chaos, so in this continuity, he'd be a brother to Oceanus.
@@Macaulyn_97 is he said to be a son of Chaos in the game? Haven't seen any mentions of the such, and the way they both talk about the other, it doesn't seem to be like that
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Didn't Hades refer to Chronos as 'father' in the game though? I feel like Kronos and Chronos were indeed fused, but that the character is mostly Kronos still.
@MorokLeviathan He did call him father. Hera also spoke to Zeus and said, "Son of Chronos"
@@Macaulyn_97 In game they've referenced Chronos being cursed by the fates, and Chronos eating people. So I think they are going to run with the Kronos Myth that he overthrew his father, and so was cursed by the fates to be overthrown by his children.
biggest plot twist of the game so far is chaos snitching just because they felt like it
Chaos: you didn't trick me i was just bored.
May have been wise to still have given Chaos Nyx back cause then Chronos may not have a beyond agitated cthonic Chaos wanting his hrad.
Nah, if Nyx is up and moving she's fighting for the house back too. Remember that it's ultimately her domain that he's taken, she just permits Hades to wield the bulk of the authority and ruling while she prioritizes maintaining the realm itself. Plus he still has Zagreus, Thanatos, Meg, Persephone, and the rest of the house staff that she clearly cared about even if she didn't see them as family.
Even if Chaos suggested that they simply withdraw from the conflict, I can't see her going along with it - I think it's more likely she'd fight regardless, and Chaos would ultimately join in her efforts. Chronos would have had to deal with the wrath of Night Incarnate AND Primordial Chaos in the aftermath, not just Chaos.
@@ashec.6824 Ah shit I forgot about that. Now I wonder though why target Hades realm as his new home? Surely Chronos could take on Poesideon.
@@dakotamuich4108probably it's just where he started, since his "bits" were "spread across Tartarus"
@@dakotamuich4108 Olympus is most likely his ultimate goal, it just makes the most sense to start with the Underworld since that's where his body has been since the war.
Plus he need to rally an army quickly, and the undead are the most obvious choice - they don't care about injury, obey him without question, and can be brought back to fight again immediately with the underworld wide open. With control of the underworld he has a near endless supply
Chronos is such a hypocrite. Dude keeps complaining that Melinoe should respect the elders yet he himself pulled this crap lol.
Chronos: respect your elders!!!
Also Chronos: murdered his father, kidnapped Nyx, and deceived his most distant ancestor Chaos.
Man's so sure of himself, as if Chaos isn't one turn away from turning him into a multiverse.
Chaos could 100% kill Chronos.. issue is that would also kill all of reality too-
@@owenbridgers Would it tho? I mean they chopped him into a thousand tiny pieces and dumped him in the styx and reality was doing just fine afterwards.
Chronus will rue trying to scheme Chaos
I wonder if eventually he will mention his mother, the first besides chaos
Wait, could Chaos take Chronos out? I figure that Chaos could tear him apart and then scatter his pieces all throughout space.
Easily. Chaos is the most powerful entity in the Hades games, far and away, as they're the one responsible for all creation. Chaos just doesn't meddle much due to their curiosity
Chaos is the primordial creator of Greek mythos. All deities stem from them. Chaos simply chooses not to directly involve themselves in the matters of others, only doing so indirectly through others such as Zagreas and Melinoe.
Tldr: yes.
You know'd be a hard twist?
Chaos knew and wanted this to happen.
Think about it, the gods have been living it up too well that shit in the universe gone quote stagnant.
Chaos despises stagnation and lack of change.
And things have gotten "Quite *Boring*"
yes is dumb to think " oh no this guy trick me" chaos and his kids are the personification of "order" (destiny and fate) or quite literally concepts very old . . . nix kids are all the bad things in existence and ERIS THE SAME
what did chronos do to “deceive” chaos?
It doesnt explained in the video but Chronos found the Fates thanks to Chaos who tells him where they are ^^
It seems like Chronos phrased his query regarding the location of the Fates in a manner that implied an experiment or pursuing one of Chaos' inquiries, he basically used Chaos' curiosity against him.
Chaos doesn't really 'do' manipulation or lying and thanks to Zagreus' meddling in the prior game Chaos became more open to friendly and familial contact.
@@thomasparkin259Chaos is not really good at socializing with people. He is a giant nerd scientist that does not really think through the ramifications of his actions, he just too curious for his own good.
I think chronos asked chaos where the fates were and said that if they didn't want him to know they just stop it cause they were the fates.
Chaos wanted to see what the world would look like without their influence. Chronos told them that he could help achieve this goal if they were to help him find them. Of course, Chronos conveniently left out that he would be using their absence to gain the upper hand.
I like his voice.
I don't like Chaos's new design. It seems way too clean for a character meant to portray primordial entropy. I don't think Chaos in Hades 1 Even wore clothes
Chaos did wear some sort of robe back then. I think Chaos wearing a suit a cleaner look is just trying to imply that they aren't bound to time
I think this design implies how chaos got closer to nyx and zagreus and is now taking a more human form as a physical manifestation of their now better relationship
@@Pi-is-Bi Not so much a robe as a... sort of floating ribbon of cloth, it doesn't give the impression of being worn, just sort of there. Which suits Chaos pretty well; I'm not sure they even have a full body in the first game, all you can see is head, torso, arms, and roiling mass of distorted faces.
I think what I'm trying to get at is Hades Chaos went hard in a way Hades 2 Chaos just kind of doesn't. I guess it does make sense if this is a more sociable persona, but if there's one thing that primordial Chaos shouldn't be it's stuck in one shape; the premise of the sequel seems to preclude Chaos getting to go have friendly visits with people, so why aren't they in some extra-spicy angry abomination shape instead?
to be chaos is literally holding thereold looks corpse as a new one is starting on the suit so it should bounce back after a bit
Were these character designs inspired by Lore Olympus?
That’s disrespectful. Way more care have been put into these designs, and they’re way more intricately designed.
Lore Olympus designs are generic enough for comparisons to be drawn between any design of these gods.
uh...?? NO..????
Me when I take inspiration for ancient Greek mythology and culture
@@ma.2089I means come on lore Olympus has more accurate character design make hades more like parody hestia make to look like gramma when she just oldest among the sisters and aproite husband i forget his name litterally has a make foot and wheelchair why you need both like percy Jackson version just use walking stick.hermes litterally asian like what
@@SoughtAppleThe Gods in this series have always been designed like this, if it bothers you it's very obvious you're new to these games. The audacity to say Lore Olympus has better designs is crazy when all it uses this Mythos for is to write a mid romance 💀💀💀
Tf is that, is that supposed to be Chronos? The titan that ate its kids? What a pathetic excuse of a titan.
Zues ate his first wife and love. It’s normal. Not much of a disrespectful jab when the king Chronos overthrew did the same thing.
Titan meat is very lean. Everybody knows this.
@@ThatShaggyMatt you're right. I've made a rookie mistake.
It's a stitched-up corpse that has been kintsugi'd with gold. It's a rad design that evokes the imagery without a thousand fucking clocks on him or somethin
@@g0lddustt29 nothing to do with him being a titan who ate his kids, except him being stitched up prolly after zeus freed his siblings from his gut.