I agree with him, that words do not have a meaning without context. And I do agree, that white people should NOT use the n-word in an everyday context. But that exact context is the thing he is not taking into considerstion when he talks about rap. Following his example: 1) Do I say 'honey' to a random person on the street? No, I do not. But if I'm in the club and 'Honey, Honey' from Abba starts playing, do I say it? I do. 2) Do I say 'b*tch' to a random person on the street? No, I do not. But if I'm in the club and 'About Damn Time' from Lizzo strats playing, do I say it? I do. Now I think everyone understands how I would l finish my example. I never use the n-word in an everyday situation, as a white man I beleive it is wrong. But since I live in Eastern-Europe, where the black population is relatively low (and therefore did not have adequate prior knowledge), up until recently had been singing the n-word in songs WITHOUT meaning ANY harm to people of color. A few months ago it came to my knowledge that some people find this offensive. I was really surprised, since by singing a lyrics I did NOT intend to hurt anyone in any way. Now I just feel really awkward whenever the n-word comes up in a song, for 2 main reasons. 1) The last thing I want to do, is to offend people unintentionally. 2) But at the same the, I love vibing to songs, singing every word I know in it, without having to think about social issues simultaniously. And this caused frustartion in me, which caused anger, anger that i do not want to feel, because it's harmful and wrong. My honest, interested question to people of color: is quoting the words of a black artist, that I love, hurtful? Being part of a sexual minority I have had my fair share of slurs used against me and my community. And I do find it extremely offensive when someone who is not a part of the lgbtq+ community uses inteded slurs in everyday contexts. But if a gay artist, let's say Lil' Nas X, uses the the word 'f*ggot' in his next song, and straight people starting singing along to it, would I find that offensive? I would not, since the context of quoting the lyrics written by an artist that you love and support takes away the offensiveness of the word in my opinion. I would be so interested in having a constructive conversation on the topic, because I do not want to offend anybody, but at the same time it just feels odd to me, that one quoting artists that they love and support, hurts others feelings.
I totally agree. If you dont want random people on the street calling your wife "honey", dont write a song calling your wife "honey", and record it and make millions of dollars from the song.
Hi @kpeti361. I'm black (African-american) and also a member of the LGBT community. I'll attempt to answer your question. If you were vibing to hip-hop music and they were using the n word left & right-I would find it odd if I heard you singing along and using the word. Before I dive deeper, I want to thank you for even wanting to glimpse the world through the eyes of POC. All of our experiences are different. One of the things that Ta-Nehisi Coates says in this video that stands out is that 3:05 “being a hip hop fan and not being able to use the n word is insightful”. To understand the word is to make an effort to understand the black experience. I want to lay the foundation of that a little more. I was reading an article once where it discussed “white privilege” and the “power of normal”. There are every day conveniences that white people aren’t forced to think about-a first aid kit having “flesh colored” band-aids that only match the skin tone of white people; products white people need for their hair on the aisle labeled “hair hair” while anything for my head is typically on the smaller “ethnic” aisle; stores stocking the traditional food options that reflect the cultural traditions of white people. The article further explained that if public spaces and goods were catered to one race and segregated the needs of others then there is something below the service. It sends the message that white people move through the world with their needs readily met while others do not. I’m saying this to point out that gaps exist. White people also benefit from the benefit of the doubt. When I wore my hair in cornrows, it was assumed that I was gang affiliated or unintelligent. If I’m walking down the street at night wearing a hoodie, I am perceived as a threat. I am considered to be suspicious when I walk in a high end store. I said all that to say that black artists are popular because of the fans that relate to the music and lyrics that they write. A lot of those stories come from a place of pain-pain that many POC perceive that white people know nothing about and refuse to make an effort to understand. The word represents something different when you say it. I’d like to go back to what Ta-Nehisi Coates says in this video. Eminem is an amazing, talented emcee-one of my favorites and also one of the BEST and he does not use the n-word.
@@commentate3652 yeah but then that would be crossing the line as disrespectful thats the whole point as long as your alone or there are no people you can offend i dont see a problem with it, im white so i dont get to make the rules and i dont use the n word anyway thats just my view
@@logansnow7179 if youre alone or anything like that thats a different story. I was mainly talking to people who think that they're so high and mighty and can use whatever word they want however they want
In the Latino culture, we often use words like love or sweetheart when talking to someone who is nice. It normally happens when you are getting something with a good approach, or someone is doing something for you and you know they care what they are doing. This always occurs with someone of the opposite sex. I remember one day in New York, I was registering for my university courses, and the lady who was helping me, also black American, was absolutely wonderful, helpful, and nice. By the time we were done, I say thank you very much, sweetheart. She dropped the pen on her desk and gave me the most unprovable look and said very harshly, " I am not your sweetheart" and walked away; I was so shocked that I had never done it again. That was in 1985!
My mother hated the word "hun" as it was used condescendingly to black woman in the south..... to this day I do not like being called that.... even if it's acceptable to everyone else......
@@strongtribe That explains also what probably happened to me, but I can't blame myself for being ignorant of the misfortune of others sadly. We need to educate our future more, keep being safe
@Nelson Castellanos Education is absolutely key. I have had the hun statements made numerous times.... at times I let it go and others I kindly request that it not be used. For you to realize you didn't know and then be okay with adjusting is huge. I've had many... stuck in their grown-ness.... try to explain why I need to just accept it and get over it. It's why we are stuck as a society to this day. Tolerance doesn't mean changing who you are but understanding that none of us should have to, but kindness is free and something that could bring pain to another should at least be a consideration.... with clarity of the unknown..... I think we would actually get somewhere in our world if people would not try to push societal norm on everyone. Appreciate you commenting with all this... makes for reflective thoughts for sure. Have a great day!!!
He starts off by saying that "words don't have meaning without context" but then goes onto tell us that when a white person uses the N-word it has a bad connotation in every context? Or that the context doesn't matter if a white person uses it? Surely if words don't have meaning without context, then you should be allowed to sing the N-word in a song because the context is that you're embracing the medium that the person has chosen to express himself through. Hardly gets more innocent than that.
run4walk Kanye and Travis are ok with White people singing it. That’s exactly what Kanye West said about context we simply sing his lyrics not mean anything harmful
@@MrBigSpuds12 Ya, that's racism. If you disregard the intention of the use word and look no further than the colour of their skin to determine whether or not they're permitted to say it, you are racist.
The context, you simpleton, is 250yrs of slavery and 100yrs of Jim Crow when white people historically used the n-word to oppress, lynch, kill, and torture black people. You spend 350yrs using a word as a weapon and that historical context will last forever. Meaning white people using that word will always come with a negative context and therefore isnt acceptable by any reasonable person’s standards. Just ask Jewish people how they feel about the words ‘Hitler’ or ‘Auschwitz’ being sung by Nazis. I am sure you’ll understand this concept much better when the people in question look like you, right?
All Americans do this. Here in Europe, or at least in Italy, everyone's white, we don't have this issue of saying the n word or not, we say it also cause nobody will be offended by hearing that
Stop the cap there’s nothing wrong with thinking in race and culture. When you pre judge people based off negative stereotypes that’s when it becomes an issue
@@omariorou1339idc, The origin of the word lies with the Latin adjective niger ([ˈnɪɡɛr]), meaning "black".[2][3] It was initially seen as a relatively neutral term, essentially synonymous with the English word negro. Just because its stuck with them doesn't make them only users of this word, you can't use this word from slur into endearment lol 💀
He doesn't even answer her question. He talks about a completely different thing. Most people agree you shouldn't call a black person the N-word if you're white. She wasn't asking about that. She was referring to songs with the N-word in them. Songs are there to sing along. If you create a catchy tune and use the N-word multiple times, you can't tell me I'm a racist for singing the lyrics. I'm not calling anyone the N-word. I'm simply singing along and it has no meaning at all. As long as black people can't make that distinction, there is no point in even discussing stuff like this.
@@JK-vl6ycsays the man who has the same Christian church in his country on pfp
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As soon as "THEY" stop calling each other "NIGGERS" I will stop using that word. I use it anywhere, anytime I please.. You CAN'T stop me, no one WILL and you never will.
well uh, it’s kinda racist to limit the n word to just one race. either everyone can say it and it isn’t considered offensive when people of different races say it, or it is racist and demeaning when anybody says it, even blacks. you can’t have it somewhere in between.
@@anum9703The n-word itself is a slur, WTF should i limit myself from saying slurs if they don't do that? Want to remind you: YOU CAN'T make a slur into endearment no matter what. Also, the word itself wasn't even initially a slur, just because it got stuck with black people, doesn't mean they own it. The origin of the word lies with the Latin adjective niger ([ˈnɪɡɛr]), meaning "black".[2][3] It was initially seen as a relatively neutral term, essentially synonymous with the English word negro.
Although “rap songs” are a part of the subject matter…….What’s missing from this discussion is the actual purpose for rap songs. The origin of Hip Hop. If you understand that then you’ll understand everything that’s attached to it.
This makes no sense at all. If I bump into a friend of mine I might say "Alright, wanker", but I'm not going to sit down at a job interview and greet the interviewer with "Alright, wanker", so the societal context of words is true and accurate. Where his argument falls apart is that I'm not asking to limit use of the word "wanker" to only a select portion of society who have "earned" the right to use it, or in fact to merely repeat it, which is what the broader question was about.
That is because you are also a wanker. Seriously tho, how tf does one have to do with another. Have you been subjugated, discriminated against, or dehumanized by the word "Wanker?" Think about it man.
tbh it's not that hard to just not say it and just let the word pass in the song. i mean im not black, so i don't have the right to say if someone can say it. but i mean i don't wanna piss anyone off and it's not that hard to not say it. i don't think im gonna offend anyone by not saying a racial slur...
I myself am black and I think personally think nobody should be saying N word not even black people, but if you yourself are going to say it or put it in a song you can't have a problem when other say while singing a song you made.
It will be weird if the stranger girl said honey to him BUT NOT if the stranger girl said it to her own boyfriend! And thats what it’s all about. Those were extremely stupid comparisons.
If someone says "honey" or "bitch" in a famous song though, it’s totally appropriate... at least have some equivalent comparisons The comparison of familiar language between the speaker and his wife/familiar language between her wife and her friends to familiar language between an entire race is an utterly ridiculous. He says the understanding is that he has some sort of relationship with his wife. I assume he also applies this logic to his wife and her friends. Am I supposed to believe that every African American person has formed a relationship with all the the others in existence? I hate to break it to you, but the term “relationship” implies that the people in question have at least met each other. The comparison doesn’t hold up. This author’s logic is that if a woman on the street calling him honey is not appropriate, so too is rapping the n word in a song that uses it. By extension he says that his wife and her friends call each other “bitch” but that doesn’t mean he can too… hence rapping the n word in a song is inappropriate. That makes no goddamn sense. In fact it’s invalidated by the very logic used to form the opinion. If you apply his example of the words “honey” or “bitch” to music, those words are used in songs very frequently and there’s no problem with any group of people singing along. In other words, his argument doesn’t stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. _By the speaker’s own logic,_ music simply operates under different rules. What’s appropriate to sing along with in a song is not always appropriate to say face to face with someone. The idea of writing a song with a word you don’t want people saying is utterly ridiculous. My opinion is this: if you are repeating something that you didn’t write, you should repeat it exactly as it was written. You may disagree with that opinion, but at least I didn’t base it on unequal comparisons and faulty logic.
The thing is, when people are being offended by the n-word (which is every black person) then it shouldn't be used. The reason black people are offended by it is the meaning in which it is used in(whether in context, or out). It comes from a horrible history. The only appropriate context in which it wouldn't be offensive to a black person is if it is used by another black person because the struggles throughout history that they've faced are understood by each other. It is a history that a white person never had to go through. That's what he is trying to convey through his speech. You should really humble yourself and look in the perspective of people other than yourself. If you don't understand something, do research, it's not that hard.
@@dari_elle I don’t care what you believe he is trying to convey. The bottom line is that what he said does not match what you personally believe he meant. His argument doesn’t make sense, plain and simple. His comparisons don’t line up. What he said is objectively wrong. _Your interpretation_ of what he said doesn’t change that. Secondly, I feel it’s appropriate to point out that many African Americans are _not_ offended by the n word (specifically in the context of music). Examples include G Herbo, Charlamagne, Travis Scott, and many more. It’s simply incorrect to say every African American person has the same opinion on this issue. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that opinions are very split. Many African Americans believe the word shouldn’t be used by anyone, regardless of color. Some believe the only way to remove power from the word is to let anyone and everyone say it. Your whole comment hinges on the assumption that every African American person is offended by the n word in all contexts, and that assumption is provably false. Remember, this whole debate is about the use of the n word in a musical context (or by extension a direct quotation of a written work). Most people (but not all, believe it or not) will agree that it shouldn’t be said by white people on the street.
Interesting you failed to adress the primary subject of his argument and went off on a convoluted tangent. Why didn't you also adress the white trash cabin as well? The first two examples were simply in context and escalating simple examples to the main issue. I don't know how you failed to grasp that.
@@dari_elleYOU CAN'T make a slur INTO endearment buddy, no matter occasion, your persona didn't suffer 150 of slavery. And white people DO get thought struggles, IF you forgot that NATIONALITIES exist too, which could've suffered MORE than just 150 years of slavery, people in 150 eastern europe suffered from hunger, war, slavery, genocide, so YOU should have no talk in this if you think only black man suffered, because i don't remember trubes in Papua New-Guinea suffer from slavery.
you were not paying attention to what Mr. Coates was saying at all. Say what you want tho but don't be surprised when you're waking up in the ER or with Jesus.
@James Bowling I forgot why I said this comment, but I believe that I probably said that because I think it was social media going viral... but I’m not sure, but it’s definitely not viral on here at all💯
The flaw with the "Honey" and "Bitch" examples is that those people are addressing an individual directly. The broader question is, can it be used when someone is not addressing an individual? For example, if it's in a song. I do my best to avoid using it nowadays.
No - his examples were used to explain RELATIONSHIPS between people whether it be two individuals or multiple. The RELATIONSHIP The Black Community has within itself is not the same RELATIONSHIP it has with other races. This is quite simple….
@@GMCworldwide1979 It is simple: this author's argument is absolutely ridiculous and basically disputes itself. His logic is that if a woman on the street calling him honey is not appropriate, so too is rapping the n word in a song that uses it. By extension he says that his wife and her friends call each other “bitch” but that doesn’t mean he can too… hence rapping the n word in a song is inappropriate. That makes no goddamn sense. In fact it’s invalidated by the very logic used to form the opinion. If you apply his example of the words “honey” or “bitch” to music, those words are used in songs very frequently and there’s no problem with any group of people singing along. In other words, his argument doesn’t stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. _By the speaker’s own logic,_ music simply operates under different rules. What’s appropriate to sing along with in a song is not always appropriate to say face to face with someone.
@@The_D0C70R wrong again. If black people were walking down the street singing songs calling white people rednecks and honkeys you would be just as offended as a black person here in a white person using the n word, especially if you were from a trailer park community or had gone through the same atrocities that black people have gone through FOH with the BS and the excuses. Use the n word if you want to, if you catch a swift ass whooping don't cry about it.
Again context. Even when it’s used in a song, the song is a story about black people and the black experience. So, even though you are free to enjoy and even appreciate it, you do so with the understanding that it is not about you, nor was it made for you.
It's crazy how confused people can be about this. There is a difference between using a word in practice, and using a word, either in reference, or singing along to a song etc. We are not talking about whether it's okay for a non-black person to go up to a black person and call them the N-word, we're all agreed that they shouldn't. Just as I as a guy don't call my female friends bitches (where their other female friends might) and just as I as a man in a relationship should not call a random woman "honey" or vice versa. This is basic. The problem is that Coates is using this analogy to convince us that there is NO context in which this word should be uttered by non-black lips. He may be right, but this argument does not prove him to be so. Notice how in his explanation, he was allowed to utter the word "honey", without abbreviating it to the H-word. This is slightly facetious as it is not a derogatory term, but the same applies to any insulting term you can think of, even a racial slur, so long as it isn't the N-word. Take what I will call for the sake of consistency, the "P-word", often used insultingly to refer to people from Pakistan or other surrounding countries. If I were to be recounting a story in which someone was called this, or having a discussion about that word, I would not be cancelled for using the actual word as the context makes it clear that I had no racist or even bad intentions. This is the difference, non-black people are being told that under no circumstances are they to ever say this word, regardless of context. Coates was allowed to use the words in his examples for the sake of reference, despite admitting that these words do not "belong to him", yet the woman asking the question, knows that she must say "the N-word". If the world settles on this rule, I won't particularly care. I'm black and I never use it, and don't miss hearing it now that it's become a cancellable offence. But man does it frustrate me when people bite on logic such as what Coates is presenting. The analogy does not hold, nor does the reasoning, and I think he knows it. Although maybe he's just confused as the rest of the world. Again, I'm not campaigning for this word to be allowed to be used, I don't much care, but I must call out a bad argument when I hear one.
okay aspiring racist, if you say it at home dingus what makes you think it won’t slip singing around others?…. Right now you’re just trying to prove that what you’re doing “isn’t that bad” cmon now gtfo
Mr. Coates argues that white people shouldn't use the n-word because that word belongs exclusively to the black people. If you watch the unedited clip of the question from that white female student and Mr. Coates' answer (linked below), he seems to admit at the very beginning that he would NOT have been offended if she actually used the n-word in her question because he understood the context. Perhaps, Mr. Coates does understand intention is equally important as context. ruclips.net/video/5p_cgzF1Neg/видео.html
My wife and I go out to eat and the waitress calls me honey and my wife doesnt freak out.Honey is alot nicer word than the n word.I am not conditioned to own everything .Dont tell me how i feel as a white man.I dont tell black people how to feel as black people.
The biggest mistake he makes is that he presupposes that everyone has the values as him. He says he wouldn't use the word bitch when talking to his girlfriend about stuff as assumes that everyone else feels the same way. I on the other hand, I would (and have) used the word bitch in the same kind of context that he is saying he wouldn't.
Alright, good for you. That's because you and your girlfriend are clearly cool about that. Doesn't mean that you can just walk up to marginalized people and use their words. Some of us are cool with it, some of us aren't. Safest thing is to check first.
@@bromo8874 Even if she wasn't cool with it wouldn't matter to me. I don't get to dictate the words she gets to use and she doesn't get to dictate the language that I use full stop. It has nothing to do with how cool we are about it.
@@kalechips5972 Oh. Well in that case then no, that's pretty cringe. Obviously everyone knows that nobody can truly dictate the language someone uses. So there's no point in doing the whole "muh freedom" thing. But If someone is telling you that what you're saying is making them uncomfortable, and you just continue doing it, then at that point you're just being disrespectful for no reason. I assume you wouldn't appreciate people constantly saying shitty things to you, so why would you do so to everyone else? Also, if this is the same logic you apply to the outside world then you're actively working against your own interests. Filtering what you say makes you easier to cooperate with. Why would you choose to escalate a situation by refusing to temporarily curtail your language? That's just dumb. No need to stir up conflict when it can be avoided.
@@kalechips5972 I mean you're more than welcome to exercise your free speech, but is it really worth getting beat up? It's great that you and your girlfriend operate that way but not everyone else does. There are actually people who will go apeshit on you for verbally insulting them. While I don't agree with that, I recognize that it's wiser to just avoid that possibility. You can do the whole "I say whatever I want to whoever I want", but get ready to deal with the consequences. (All of which could be avoided if you just asked what people are cool with by the way).
@@bromo8874 When I think about what think about things like this it's more about what we ought to be able to do without fear of ramifications. It isn't about what's best for a situation, just the ability to say something if I really wanted too.
There's that entitlement again. It's OUR music, not YOUR music. You are just a consumer of it. It's like if I started claiming Mariachi music as my own, and trying to relate to the singer, when I am not part of Mexican culture. You are a *consumer* of the music, you are *not* part of the culture, so why do you want to say it?
Because its music. Music is something all races should be able to partake in equally. Black people are using the n word to "get even" with white privilege but think about it. Does limiting the word actually benefit you at all? Does it give anymore privileges that you dont have? No. Its illogical
I’m sorry but saying the n word at all is disgusting, end of. It doesn’t matter what your race is, and to say that it is ok for a black person to say that word and a white person isn’t is just divisive.
@@mochitime9728 bro I don’t want to say the word at all. I know the history behind the word and why it was used, I also know how that word has been reclaimed by black people as a move of empowerment. However, using that word in lyrics to an audience of mixed cultures, ethnicities and nationalities and then not expecting people to use that word when singing is ridiculous. At least sing a different version if you are performing to a mixed audience.
the double standards.... Ta-Nehisi: talking about why you shouldnt use slurs also Ta-Nehisi: proceeds to say the f slur several times edit: i just realized that they removed that part from the clip so here it is: ruclips.net/video/QO15S3WC9pg/видео.html
He’s using these words in full effect to illustrate the point of how it sounds when some are using the other word without censorship or thoughtfulness.
No hard g or r but I think subbing the word nicca should be fine but it's not. Hopefully someday this won't be an issue and society will move past segregation of language.
A lot of this "confusion" or maybe lack of understanding of why white people shouldn't sing the n word, is bc it appears blacks are very divided themselves about who should use it or not. Many blacks say it's fine white people sing the word and other blacks are very offended when white people sing it. I don't like it, I don't follow rap, but this division in the black community has lead to great confusion to the white people about the n word in a song. Imho, this confusion is never going to end because some black people support white people singing along and others get mad. White people are damned if they do sing along and damned if they don't......I am just glad I don't listen to rap so this whole thing about singing is not even an issue.
''We the blacks experience racism, so now we're gonna make you experience just a little peak 3:08 of racism.'' Solving racism with more racism. What a childish take.
Wow! Missed the point completely. It’s not about eye for eye, that’s the root fear of oppressors and where the focus always seems to be when it shouldn’t. The point is if one is a spoiled child and someone tells them ‘no’ for the first time. It’s not about getting back or making them pay for spoiled treatment and behavior. It’s simply the fact that in said moment, for that situation, the spoiled kid has heard no and needs to learn to deal with it. Meanwhile, society would argue that a non-spoiled child is told no many times and still manages to navigate and thrive. The spoiled child gets a peek into how the non-spoiled live continuously, and not in just one snapshot moment of perceived personal inconvenience.
@@carolmae2209 what a long way of saying double standards are okay as long as whites get the short end of the stick. Yeah, your analogy sucks and it's still solving racism with more racism. Do better.
@@carolmae2209Lol, if yoy think white race is that "spoiled child" and oppressors then want to clear your mind, YOU CAN'T make a slur into a endearment, NO MATTER the race. Just because afro-american black man suffered, meaning that all black people suffered, then LOVE to break it to you, white people ALSO suffered, EVEN MORE than black race through history. The origin of the word lies with the Latin adjective niger ([ˈnɪɡɛr]), meaning "black".[2][3] It was initially seen as a relatively neutral term, essentially synonymous with the English word negro. Just because that "non-spoiled" child got stuck with this word, DOESN'T make them owners of this word, because someone called them like this, that "non-spoiled" becomes more childish than "spoiled"
If a little old lady called him "honey" I highly doubt his wife would care unless she's a psycho. But assuming she isn't, I gather that it would be acceptable. His entire argument is flawed here. He's saying words only matter based on the context (which is true) in order to argue that white people shouldn't use the n-word in any context. There's a longer version of this, but he also brings up other words that he doesn't use but then uses those words, assuming it's okay (it is) based on the context that he's using them in. But in his mind, if this were a white man giving the same exact speech but used the n-word as an example, he shouldn't say the actual word, lol
The honey illustration holds no water...I'm always called honey at the Jack in the box drive thru, and I don't see them being canceled because the drive thru lady calls everyone honey. Bottom line, the N word is a hateful word, and hip hop or anybody should not use it; no matter their color. If you're going to slam and cancel country bumkin for getting drunk and saying the N word, then don't be a hypocrite and give hoop dog a pass just because of the color of his skin. It's a double standard that's just wrong on all colors and ethnicities. Wrong is wrong.
You still don't get it do you? Some never will. It's not hateful from other Black people only when non whites say it, regardless of how you feel.in your heart about things.
Why are other words not retconned. Like "wet" people for a long time used in a derogatory way for years. Especially if nobody wants to be wet or doesn't want someone saying it to them. The itsy bitsy spider got wet in the waterspout no one cares about the history behind that word. If we as black don't want others to call us the n-word or say the n-word why the shell is it in so many good songs that are loved by many. Like is this a game with us? We make songs knowing it has the n-word in it and people who are not black like the song and sing it and as SOON as they say it we shame them Is that like a thing to get back at others in that kind of way? Or like a black person says the n-word all day around their cool not black friends but the not black friend says it on mistake and all hell brakes loose. Why are black people when saying the word casually if it is meant to be offensive towards us but get mad when others us it and call the other person racist. It makes no sense. If that's the case black and people who are not black shouldn't use it? Like??
@@nikkievans7133 thanks 😊 but it's weird that everyone uses here it so frequently as we say "lad", "bloke", "friend". English isn't our first language neither most of us know about US history whatsoever.
Let us also take a stand against the term "minority" when referring to Black / POC folx as well. We may be marginalized but we are not less than, or as defined in the dictionary as "the smaller number or part, especially a number that is less than half the whole number - think globally here- "a minority party" nor the state or period of being under the age of full legal responsibility' - particularly when legally children are being tried as adults.
Is it with the a or hard r......and is there a difference? I sure think there is. And if the two endings change the word, does that then mean that white people can say n with the A at the end?
WRONG. The word literally means a race of people ie. African American rac= It does not mean friend bro or whatever else you culture vultures tell yourselves. The N word is for BLACK PEOPLE AND ONLY BLACK PEOPLE. Stay in yalls lanes.
white privilege isn’t about having an easy-going lifestyle, it means that being white isn’t a factor that affects your hardships. You can be white have still have a hard upbringing, but being white isn’t a factor of that hard upbringing 🤠
but calling someone a n*gger and saying the world as part of a song is different . I think it's wrong to call someone a n*gger, but to just say the word?
Ah yes, name the two artist with the most white fan bases lmao. Also just so we’re clear, you’re still talking about Kanye who said that slavery was a choice correct ?
um, theres a difference between calling someone a slur and singing a slur. does that guy get that? it seems he only got part of the context, but not all of it.
racism (websters) n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Outlawing a word to a certain race is racist. Fool.
The usage of a term does not cause The Black Community to think it’s superior to any other community……smh. Other races not getting the approval to “act Black” is not racism LOL & SMH
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I beg you to use the n-word when describing black people in public and to their faces. I beg you! Make sure to film it and send me the video from your hospital bed!
I feel like if you even have to ask if you can say it, then the answer is no. I understand that you’re mixed race/ethnicity, but if you were dark enough and around black people enough, you would already know if you have that pass. This is going to sound really fucked up, but it’s honestly more about how you look and how other people perceive your race than what you actually are. You could be 75% black, but if you “pass” for white and no one can tell you’re black at all, you wouldn’t be able to say it by today’s standards. An example is the rapper Logic. He’s half black. His mother mother is white and his dad is a very light skinned black man. He looks mostly white though. He used to say it, but he stopped because of how he looks because he got backlash. Another thing to consider is that nearly all black Americans have some Level European ancestry because there is someone white in their family tree. Some were due to interracial relationships, but sadly most were because of slave owner raping/cheating on their wives with their female slaves and getting them pregnant. I read the average African American has about 25% white/European DNA, which is a lot if you think about it. So it really does come down to his people perceive your ethnicity. It also has to do with your socioeconomic background and where you grew up. To further confuse the issue, in big cities like NY, LA, and Chicago, it’s really common for hispanic people to say it and it is generally accepted as okay even by the black people there. But that’s because black and Hispanic people in those cities lived in a lot of the same neighborhoods and went through a lot of the same things. So basically, you could have a situation where you as a part black person can’t say it because you look too white, but a hispanic person with lighter skin than you could say it lol. It’s a really complex issue.
0:44, Bogus argument. His "context" argument is bulls***. N****, ain't "Honey." If his wife called him a sorry MF'er, would another woman on the street be able to call him that?? Not the question, is it? The question is, "why would his wife want to call him, or, why would he accept being called a sorry MF'er??" THAT's the question.
But would he have a problem with someone singing a song with the words "sorry MF'er" in it? I think that's the real question. I doubt anyone thinks it's ok to call people the n word on the street. What people are debating is if you can accurately repeat lyrics written by someone else.
2:00 This guy really thinks that he's "deep" when he isn't. If you don't want people calling you something don't say it too each other. We're talking about song lyrics.
I agree with him, that words do not have a meaning without context. And I do agree, that white people should NOT use the n-word in an everyday context.
But that exact context is the thing he is not taking into considerstion when he talks about rap.
Following his example:
1) Do I say 'honey' to a random person on the street? No, I do not. But if I'm in the club and 'Honey, Honey' from Abba starts playing, do I say it? I do.
2) Do I say 'b*tch' to a random person on the street? No, I do not. But if I'm in the club and 'About Damn Time' from Lizzo strats playing, do I say it? I do.
Now I think everyone understands how I would l finish my example. I never use the n-word in an everyday situation, as a white man I beleive it is wrong. But since I live in Eastern-Europe, where the black population is relatively low (and therefore did not have adequate prior knowledge), up until recently had been singing the n-word in songs WITHOUT meaning ANY harm to people of color. A few months ago it came to my knowledge that some people find this offensive. I was really surprised, since by singing a lyrics I did NOT intend to hurt anyone in any way.
Now I just feel really awkward whenever the n-word comes up in a song, for 2 main reasons. 1) The last thing I want to do, is to offend people unintentionally. 2) But at the same the, I love vibing to songs, singing every word I know in it, without having to think about social issues simultaniously. And this caused frustartion in me, which caused anger, anger that i do not want to feel, because it's harmful and wrong.
My honest, interested question to people of color: is quoting the words of a black artist, that I love, hurtful? Being part of a sexual minority I have had my fair share of slurs used against me and my community. And I do find it extremely offensive when someone who is not a part of the lgbtq+ community uses inteded slurs in everyday contexts. But if a gay artist, let's say Lil' Nas X, uses the the word 'f*ggot' in his next song, and straight people starting singing along to it, would I find that offensive? I would not, since the context of quoting the lyrics written by an artist that you love and support takes away the offensiveness of the word in my opinion.
I would be so interested in having a constructive conversation on the topic, because I do not want to offend anybody, but at the same time it just feels odd to me, that one quoting artists that they love and support, hurts others feelings.
I agree with everything you said man. You are very logical
I totally agree. If you dont want random people on the street calling your wife "honey", dont write a song calling your wife "honey", and record it and make millions of dollars from the song.
Hi @kpeti361. I'm black (African-american) and also a member of the LGBT community. I'll attempt to answer your question. If you were vibing to hip-hop music and they were using the n word left & right-I would find it odd if I heard you singing along and using the word.
Before I dive deeper, I want to thank you for even wanting to glimpse the world through the eyes of POC. All of our experiences are different. One of the things that Ta-Nehisi Coates says in this video that stands out is that 3:05 “being a hip hop fan and not being able to use the n word is insightful”. To understand the word is to make an effort to understand the black experience.
I want to lay the foundation of that a little more. I was reading an article once where it discussed “white privilege” and the “power of normal”. There are every day conveniences that white people aren’t forced to think about-a first aid kit having “flesh colored” band-aids that only match the skin tone of white people; products white people need for their hair on the aisle labeled “hair hair” while anything for my head is typically on the smaller “ethnic” aisle; stores stocking the traditional food options that reflect the cultural traditions of white people. The article further explained that if public spaces and goods were catered to one race and segregated the needs of others then there is something below the service. It sends the message that white people move through the world with their needs readily met while others do not. I’m saying this to point out that gaps exist.
White people also benefit from the benefit of the doubt. When I wore my hair in cornrows, it was assumed that I was gang affiliated or unintelligent. If I’m walking down the street at night wearing a hoodie, I am perceived as a threat. I am considered to be suspicious when I walk in a high end store.
I said all that to say that black artists are popular because of the fans that relate to the music and lyrics that they write. A lot of those stories come from a place of pain-pain that many POC perceive that white people know nothing about and refuse to make an effort to understand. The word represents something different when you say it.
I’d like to go back to what Ta-Nehisi Coates says in this video.
Eminem is an amazing, talented emcee-one of my favorites and also one of the BEST and he does not use the n-word.
EXACTLY.
ok
If black people sing it, white people will too. End of story. Don’t say what you don’t want repeated. That’s just how humans work.
Okay sing it around a group of black ppl then since you can say it
Adonis Fitzpatrick white people sing it when it’s in songs, and nothing happens
@@sheridan7475 Cool. Now here’s an assignment for you. Go to the hood and do the same thing and let me know if you get the same results
@@commentate3652 yeah but then that would be crossing the line as disrespectful thats the whole point as long as your alone or there are no people you can offend i dont see a problem with it, im white so i dont get to make the rules and i dont use the n word anyway thats just my view
@@logansnow7179 if youre alone or anything like that thats a different story. I was mainly talking to people who think that they're so high and mighty and can use whatever word they want however they want
In the Latino culture, we often use words like love or sweetheart when talking to someone who is nice. It normally happens when you are getting something with a good approach, or someone is doing something for you and you know they care what they are doing. This always occurs with someone of the opposite sex. I remember one day in New York, I was registering for my university courses, and the lady who was helping me, also black American, was absolutely wonderful, helpful, and nice. By the time we were done, I say thank you very much, sweetheart. She dropped the pen on her desk and gave me the most unprovable look and said very harshly, " I am not your sweetheart" and walked away; I was so shocked that I had never done it again. That was in 1985!
My mother hated the word "hun" as it was used condescendingly to black woman in the south..... to this day I do not like being called that.... even if it's acceptable to everyone else......
@@strongtribe That explains also what probably happened to me, but I can't blame myself for being ignorant of the misfortune of others sadly. We need to educate our future more, keep being safe
@Nelson Castellanos Education is absolutely key. I have had the hun statements made numerous times.... at times I let it go and others I kindly request that it not be used. For you to realize you didn't know and then be okay with adjusting is huge. I've had many... stuck in their grown-ness.... try to explain why I need to just accept it and get over it. It's why we are stuck as a society to this day. Tolerance doesn't mean changing who you are but understanding that none of us should have to, but kindness is free and something that could bring pain to another should at least be a consideration.... with clarity of the unknown.....
I think we would actually get somewhere in our world if people would not try to push societal norm on everyone.
Appreciate you commenting with all this... makes for reflective thoughts for sure.
Have a great day!!!
In the Latino culture? Let me correct you “ in my household”
Well, it’s New York-the North American capital of rude
He starts off by saying that "words don't have meaning without context" but then goes onto tell us that when a white person uses the N-word it has a bad connotation in every context? Or that the context doesn't matter if a white person uses it? Surely if words don't have meaning without context, then you should be allowed to sing the N-word in a song because the context is that you're embracing the medium that the person has chosen to express himself through. Hardly gets more innocent than that.
run4walk Kanye and Travis are ok with White people singing it. That’s exactly what Kanye West said about context we simply sing his lyrics not mean anything harmful
the white person saying it is the context.
@@MrBigSpuds12 Ya, that's racism. If you disregard the intention of the use word and look no further than the colour of their skin to determine whether or not they're permitted to say it, you are racist.
@@run4walk indeed, I agree that it is racist to limit the speech of another because of skin colour.
The context, you simpleton, is 250yrs of slavery and 100yrs of Jim Crow when white people historically used the n-word to oppress, lynch, kill, and torture black people. You spend 350yrs using a word as a weapon and that historical context will last forever. Meaning white people using that word will always come with a negative context and therefore isnt acceptable by any reasonable person’s standards.
Just ask Jewish people how they feel about the words ‘Hitler’ or ‘Auschwitz’ being sung by Nazis. I am sure you’ll understand this concept much better when the people in question look like you, right?
But if the word honey is in a
song i will say that
And if bitch is in the song, everyone sings along.....🤔
Exactly!! I won't call a stranger honey, bitch or n word. But if it's a song, that's a different situation altogether!
Some people just wont say any of those especially if they are a diabetic snowflake. Haha joke
i am hoping we stop thinking in races. We are all human beings and shouldnt think about which words we are using or in which "race" we belong
All Americans do this. Here in Europe, or at least in Italy, everyone's white, we don't have this issue of saying the n word or not, we say it also cause nobody will be offended by hearing that
@@Giovanni-ch1kw lmaooooo tell 'em to say it in front of a black person then. See what happens?
Stop the cap there’s nothing wrong with thinking in race and culture. When you pre judge people based off negative stereotypes that’s when it becomes an issue
I use word cuz lot
@@omariorou1339idc, The origin of the word lies with the Latin adjective niger ([ˈnɪɡɛr]), meaning "black".[2][3] It was initially seen as a relatively neutral term, essentially synonymous with the English word negro.
Just because its stuck with them doesn't make them only users of this word, you can't use this word from slur into endearment lol 💀
He doesn't even answer her question. He talks about a completely different thing. Most people agree you shouldn't call a black person the N-word if you're white. She wasn't asking about that. She was referring to songs with the N-word in them. Songs are there to sing along. If you create a catchy tune and use the N-word multiple times, you can't tell me I'm a racist for singing the lyrics. I'm not calling anyone the N-word. I'm simply singing along and it has no meaning at all. As long as black people can't make that distinction, there is no point in even discussing stuff like this.
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He wasn’t talking about “calling a black persons the n word”, just about using it in general..
Also he did address the idea of not being able to use it in a song...
Yea blacks are just clouded with emotions instead of common sense.
You are stupid
You're all weak if words hurt you.
Coming from a man that believes in man-made mythologies...
@@JK-vl6ycsays the man who has the same Christian church in his country on pfp
As soon as "THEY" stop calling each other "NIGGERS" I will stop using that word.
I use it anywhere, anytime I please.. You CAN'T stop me, no one WILL and you never will.
You definitely don’t say it anywhere.. cause u wouldn’t be alive to talk about it hun
@@kcrediblej5037Want to remind you that black man calling each other n-word, DOESN'T mean "buddy". You CAN'T make a slur into endearment.
Why did he say bitch instead of b-word?
Because BITCH wasn't shouted at people right before they were murdered like the N-word was for 100s of years.
Well we used to just say the word until the OJ Simpson trial, now everybody just refers to it as the n word.
well uh, it’s kinda racist to limit the n word to just one race. either everyone can say it and it isn’t considered offensive when people of different races say it, or it is racist and demeaning when anybody says it, even blacks. you can’t have it somewhere in between.
“It’s racist to limit the n word” bro what😭😭
@@anum9703 "its racist to limit the n word to one race"
@@anum9703The n-word itself is a slur, WTF should i limit myself from saying slurs if they don't do that? Want to remind you: YOU CAN'T make a slur into endearment no matter what.
Also, the word itself wasn't even initially a slur, just because it got stuck with black people, doesn't mean they own it.
The origin of the word lies with the Latin adjective niger ([ˈnɪɡɛr]), meaning "black".[2][3] It was initially seen as a relatively neutral term, essentially synonymous with the English word negro.
The racism oozes in this clip early to an almighty waterfall at the end.
Although “rap songs” are a part of the subject matter…….What’s missing from this discussion is the actual purpose for rap songs. The origin of Hip Hop. If you understand that then you’ll understand everything that’s attached to it.
This makes no sense at all.
If I bump into a friend of mine I might say "Alright, wanker", but I'm not going to sit down at a job interview and greet the interviewer with "Alright, wanker", so the societal context of words is true and accurate.
Where his argument falls apart is that I'm not asking to limit use of the word "wanker" to only a select portion of society who have "earned" the right to use it, or in fact to merely repeat it, which is what the broader question was about.
That is because you are also a wanker. Seriously tho, how tf does one have to do with another. Have you been subjugated, discriminated against, or dehumanized by the word "Wanker?" Think about it man.
@@yasuke9317 If he was it still wouldn't matter, lol
tbh it's not that hard to just not say it and just let the word pass in the song. i mean im not black, so i don't have the right to say if someone can say it. but i mean i don't wanna piss anyone off and it's not that hard to not say it. i don't think im gonna offend anyone by not saying a racial slur...
then why add one sir
I myself am black and I think personally think nobody should be saying N word not even black people, but if you yourself are going to say it or put it in a song you can't have a problem when other say while singing a song you made.
Or we can grow up and enjoy the music letting go of your skin color
@@Riskofrain527 facts
It will be weird if the stranger girl said honey to him BUT NOT if the stranger girl said it to her own boyfriend!
And thats what it’s all about. Those were extremely stupid comparisons.
If someone says "honey" or "bitch" in a famous song though, it’s totally appropriate... at least have some equivalent comparisons
The comparison of familiar language between the speaker and his wife/familiar language between her wife and her friends to familiar language between an entire race is an utterly ridiculous. He says the understanding is that he has some sort of relationship with his wife. I assume he also applies this logic to his wife and her friends. Am I supposed to believe that every African American person has formed a relationship with all the the others in existence? I hate to break it to you, but the term “relationship” implies that the people in question have at least met each other. The comparison doesn’t hold up.
This author’s logic is that if a woman on the street calling him honey is not appropriate, so too is rapping the n word in a song that uses it. By extension he says that his wife and her friends call each other “bitch” but that doesn’t mean he can too… hence rapping the n word in a song is inappropriate. That makes no goddamn sense. In fact it’s invalidated by the very logic used to form the opinion.
If you apply his example of the words “honey” or “bitch” to music, those words are used in songs very frequently and there’s no problem with any group of people singing along. In other words, his argument doesn’t stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. _By the speaker’s own logic,_ music simply operates under different rules. What’s appropriate to sing along with in a song is not always appropriate to say face to face with someone.
The idea of writing a song with a word you don’t want people saying is utterly ridiculous. My opinion is this: if you are repeating something that you didn’t write, you should repeat it exactly as it was written. You may disagree with that opinion, but at least I didn’t base it on unequal comparisons and faulty logic.
The thing is, when people are being offended by the n-word (which is every black person) then it shouldn't be used. The reason black people are offended by it is the meaning in which it is used in(whether in context, or out). It comes from a horrible history. The only appropriate context in which it wouldn't be offensive to a black person is if it is used by another black person because the struggles throughout history that they've faced are understood by each other. It is a history that a white person never had to go through. That's what he is trying to convey through his speech. You should really humble yourself and look in the perspective of people other than yourself. If you don't understand something, do research, it's not that hard.
@@dari_elle I don’t care what you believe he is trying to convey.
The bottom line is that what he said does not match what you personally believe he meant. His argument doesn’t make sense, plain and simple. His comparisons don’t line up. What he said is objectively wrong. _Your interpretation_ of what he said doesn’t change that.
Secondly, I feel it’s appropriate to point out that many African Americans are _not_ offended by the n word (specifically in the context of music). Examples include G Herbo, Charlamagne, Travis Scott, and many more. It’s simply incorrect to say every African American person has the same opinion on this issue. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that opinions are very split. Many African Americans believe the word shouldn’t be used by anyone, regardless of color. Some believe the only way to remove power from the word is to let anyone and everyone say it. Your whole comment hinges on the assumption that every African American person is offended by the n word in all contexts, and that assumption is provably false.
Remember, this whole debate is about the use of the n word in a musical context (or by extension a direct quotation of a written work). Most people (but not all, believe it or not) will agree that it shouldn’t be said by white people on the street.
Interesting you failed to adress the primary subject of his argument and went off on a convoluted tangent.
Why didn't you also adress the white trash cabin as well? The first two examples were simply in context and escalating simple examples to the main issue. I don't know how you failed to grasp that.
@@dari_elleYOU CAN'T make a slur INTO endearment buddy, no matter occasion, your persona didn't suffer 150 of slavery. And white people DO get thought struggles, IF you forgot that NATIONALITIES exist too, which could've suffered MORE than just 150 years of slavery, people in 150 eastern europe suffered from hunger, war, slavery, genocide, so YOU should have no talk in this if you think only black man suffered, because i don't remember trubes in Papua New-Guinea suffer from slavery.
@@gorapsSaying the slur to another man because you have same race doesn't make slur into endearment.
I put my cell phone down and now i cant see the video
I feel as long as you say a word and there isnt hateful meaning behind it then you should be fine
WHY do you want to say it, tho. Given the history of the word, why would you want to do that?
@@kendrasideeye9443 exactly. I can't even fathom why they would want to say the word.
@@kendrasideeye9443 Well, why do you want to sing along to a song you like? Same reason, we just like the song and it feels good to sing all of it.
you were not paying attention to what Mr. Coates was saying at all. Say what you want tho but don't be surprised when you're waking up in the ER or with Jesus.
@@MattMelon519
If you can’t enjoy the song because you feel the need to say the n word you’re insane and obviously lying.
This is viral rn
@James Bowling I forgot why I said this comment, but I believe that I probably said that because I think it was social media going viral... but I’m not sure, but it’s definitely not viral on here at all💯
Hahahh nope racism is good
The flaw with the "Honey" and "Bitch" examples is that those people are addressing an individual directly. The broader question is, can it be used when someone is not addressing an individual? For example, if it's in a song. I do my best to avoid using it nowadays.
but most people don’t evoid it..
No - his examples were used to explain RELATIONSHIPS between people whether it be two individuals or multiple. The RELATIONSHIP The Black Community has within itself is not the same RELATIONSHIP it has with other races. This is quite simple….
@@GMCworldwide1979 It is simple: this author's argument is absolutely ridiculous and basically disputes itself.
His logic is that if a woman on the street calling him honey is not appropriate, so too is rapping the n word in a song that uses it. By extension he says that his wife and her friends call each other “bitch” but that doesn’t mean he can too… hence rapping the n word in a song is inappropriate. That makes no goddamn sense. In fact it’s invalidated by the very logic used to form the opinion.
If you apply his example of the words “honey” or “bitch” to music, those words are used in songs very frequently and there’s no problem with any group of people singing along. In other words, his argument doesn’t stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. _By the speaker’s own logic,_ music simply operates under different rules. What’s appropriate to sing along with in a song is not always appropriate to say face to face with someone.
@@The_D0C70R wrong again. If black people were walking down the street singing songs calling white people rednecks and honkeys you would be just as offended as a black person here in a white person using the n word, especially if you were from a trailer park community or had gone through the same atrocities that black people have gone through FOH with the BS and the excuses. Use the n word if you want to, if you catch a swift ass whooping don't cry about it.
Again context. Even when it’s used in a song, the song is a story about black people and the black experience. So, even though you are free to enjoy and even appreciate it, you do so with the understanding that it is not about you, nor was it made for you.
It's crazy how confused people can be about this. There is a difference between using a word in practice, and using a word, either in reference, or singing along to a song etc. We are not talking about whether it's okay for a non-black person to go up to a black person and call them the N-word, we're all agreed that they shouldn't. Just as I as a guy don't call my female friends bitches (where their other female friends might) and just as I as a man in a relationship should not call a random woman "honey" or vice versa. This is basic.
The problem is that Coates is using this analogy to convince us that there is NO context in which this word should be uttered by non-black lips. He may be right, but this argument does not prove him to be so. Notice how in his explanation, he was allowed to utter the word "honey", without abbreviating it to the H-word. This is slightly facetious as it is not a derogatory term, but the same applies to any insulting term you can think of, even a racial slur, so long as it isn't the N-word. Take what I will call for the sake of consistency, the "P-word", often used insultingly to refer to people from Pakistan or other surrounding countries. If I were to be recounting a story in which someone was called this, or having a discussion about that word, I would not be cancelled for using the actual word as the context makes it clear that I had no racist or even bad intentions. This is the difference, non-black people are being told that under no circumstances are they to ever say this word, regardless of context. Coates was allowed to use the words in his examples for the sake of reference, despite admitting that these words do not "belong to him", yet the woman asking the question, knows that she must say "the N-word".
If the world settles on this rule, I won't particularly care. I'm black and I never use it, and don't miss hearing it now that it's become a cancellable offence. But man does it frustrate me when people bite on logic such as what Coates is presenting. The analogy does not hold, nor does the reasoning, and I think he knows it. Although maybe he's just confused as the rest of the world. Again, I'm not campaigning for this word to be allowed to be used, I don't much care, but I must call out a bad argument when I hear one.
Seeing the triggered white ppl in this comment section makes me laugh, bcuz these are the ppl he’s referring to in the video.
These mfs are proving this video right so hard.
I won't rap the N word when singing along around people but I do when I'm by myself. Is that ok??? Lol
Tree falls in the forest situation
When you have non black friends who ask why can't they say the word, just show them this.
I sing it when I'm at home but when I'm with other people I don't even bother singing because ill accidently say it
Why? Don't you think that's weird
weird
okay aspiring racist, if you say it at home dingus what makes you think it won’t slip singing around others?…. Right now you’re just trying to prove that what you’re doing “isn’t that bad” cmon now gtfo
Mr. Coates argues that white people shouldn't use the n-word because that word belongs exclusively to the black people. If you watch the unedited clip of the question from that white female student and Mr. Coates' answer (linked below), he seems to admit at the very beginning that he would NOT have been offended if she actually used the n-word in her question because he understood the context. Perhaps, Mr. Coates does understand intention is equally important as context.
ruclips.net/video/5p_cgzF1Neg/видео.html
Or perhaps he would have had to show her grace because of responsibility politics. Don’t undermine his intelligence.
My wife and I go out to eat and the waitress calls me honey and my wife doesnt freak out.Honey is alot nicer word than the n word.I am not conditioned to own everything .Dont tell me how i feel as a white man.I dont tell black people how to feel as black people.
The biggest mistake he makes is that he presupposes that everyone has the values as him. He says he wouldn't use the word bitch when talking to his girlfriend about stuff as assumes that everyone else feels the same way. I on the other hand, I would (and have) used the word bitch in the same kind of context that he is saying he wouldn't.
Alright, good for you. That's because you and your girlfriend are clearly cool about that. Doesn't mean that you can just walk up to marginalized people and use their words. Some of us are cool with it, some of us aren't. Safest thing is to check first.
@@bromo8874 Even if she wasn't cool with it wouldn't matter to me. I don't get to dictate the words she gets to use and she doesn't get to dictate the language that I use full stop. It has nothing to do with how cool we are about it.
@@kalechips5972 Oh. Well in that case then no, that's pretty cringe. Obviously everyone knows that nobody can truly dictate the language someone uses. So there's no point in doing the whole "muh freedom" thing. But If someone is telling you that what you're saying is making them uncomfortable, and you just continue doing it, then at that point you're just being disrespectful for no reason. I assume you wouldn't appreciate people constantly saying shitty things to you, so why would you do so to everyone else? Also, if this is the same logic you apply to the outside world then you're actively working against your own interests. Filtering what you say makes you easier to cooperate with. Why would you choose to escalate a situation by refusing to temporarily curtail your language? That's just dumb. No need to stir up conflict when it can be avoided.
@@kalechips5972 I mean you're more than welcome to exercise your free speech, but is it really worth getting beat up? It's great that you and your girlfriend operate that way but not everyone else does. There are actually people who will go apeshit on you for verbally insulting them. While I don't agree with that, I recognize that it's wiser to just avoid that possibility. You can do the whole "I say whatever I want to whoever I want", but get ready to deal with the consequences. (All of which could be avoided if you just asked what people are cool with by the way).
@@bromo8874 When I think about what think about things like this it's more about what we ought to be able to do without fear of ramifications. It isn't about what's best for a situation, just the ability to say something if I really wanted too.
RAPPING NOT RAPING massive description typo
Did this guy make a point or did I miss it? Can people not sing or rap along to music they like?
There's that entitlement again. It's OUR music, not YOUR music. You are just a consumer of it. It's like if I started claiming Mariachi music as my own, and trying to relate to the singer, when I am not part of Mexican culture. You are a *consumer* of the music, you are *not* part of the culture, so why do you want to say it?
Because its music. Music is something all races should be able to partake in equally. Black people are using the n word to "get even" with white privilege but think about it. Does limiting the word actually benefit you at all? Does it give anymore privileges that you dont have? No. Its illogical
You sing along to white produced music that doesn't mean you're claiming it as your own
I’m sorry but saying the n word at all is disgusting, end of. It doesn’t matter what your race is, and to say that it is ok for a black person to say that word and a white person isn’t is just divisive.
Nah your just upset white ppl can't say the slur plus we are already divided
@@mochitime9728 bro I don’t want to say the word at all. I know the history behind the word and why it was used, I also know how that word has been reclaimed by black people as a move of empowerment. However, using that word in lyrics to an audience of mixed cultures, ethnicities and nationalities and then not expecting people to use that word when singing is ridiculous. At least sing a different version if you are performing to a mixed audience.
i think we need to be more tolerant of the words others use... so we can get along
the double standards....
Ta-Nehisi: talking about why you shouldnt use slurs
also Ta-Nehisi: proceeds to say the f slur several times
edit: i just realized that they removed that part from the clip so here it is: ruclips.net/video/QO15S3WC9pg/видео.html
Exactly. The dude is a hypocrite.
oh wow lmfao
He’s using these words in full effect to illustrate the point of how it sounds when some are using the other word without censorship or thoughtfulness.
No hard g or r but I think subbing the word nicca should be fine but it's not. Hopefully someday this won't be an issue and society will move past segregation of language.
HIp hop and Ra= AA only music genre- hard facts.
"raping or singing along" (?)
A lot of this "confusion" or maybe lack of understanding of why white people shouldn't sing the n word, is bc it appears blacks are very divided themselves about who should use it or not. Many blacks say it's fine white people sing the word and other blacks are very offended when white people sing it. I don't like it, I don't follow rap, but this division in the black community has lead to great confusion to the white people about the n word in a song. Imho, this confusion is never going to end because some black people support white people singing along and others get mad. White people are damned if they do sing along and damned if they don't......I am just glad I don't listen to rap so this whole thing about singing is not even an issue.
minor spelling mistake in the description
''We the blacks experience racism, so now we're gonna make you experience just a little peak 3:08 of racism.''
Solving racism with more racism. What a childish take.
Wow! Missed the point completely. It’s not about eye for eye, that’s the root fear of oppressors and where the focus always seems to be when it shouldn’t. The point is if one is a spoiled child and someone tells them ‘no’ for the first time. It’s not about getting back or making them pay for spoiled treatment and behavior. It’s simply the fact that in said moment, for that situation, the spoiled kid has heard no and needs to learn to deal with it. Meanwhile, society would argue that a non-spoiled child is told no many times and still manages to navigate and thrive. The spoiled child gets a peek into how the non-spoiled live continuously, and not in just one snapshot moment of perceived personal inconvenience.
@@carolmae2209 what a long way of saying double standards are okay as long as whites get the short end of the stick.
Yeah, your analogy sucks and it's still solving racism with more racism. Do better.
@@carolmae2209Lol, if yoy think white race is that "spoiled child" and oppressors then want to clear your mind, YOU CAN'T make a slur into a endearment, NO MATTER the race. Just because afro-american black man suffered, meaning that all black people suffered, then LOVE to break it to you, white people ALSO suffered, EVEN MORE than black race through history.
The origin of the word lies with the Latin adjective niger ([ˈnɪɡɛr]), meaning "black".[2][3] It was initially seen as a relatively neutral term, essentially synonymous with the English word negro.
Just because that "non-spoiled" child got stuck with this word, DOESN'T make them owners of this word, because someone called them like this, that "non-spoiled" becomes more childish than "spoiled"
This is completely ignorant
If a little old lady called him "honey" I highly doubt his wife would care unless she's a psycho. But assuming she isn't, I gather that it would be acceptable.
His entire argument is flawed here. He's saying words only matter based on the context (which is true) in order to argue that white people shouldn't use the n-word in any context.
There's a longer version of this, but he also brings up other words that he doesn't use but then uses those words, assuming it's okay (it is) based on the context that he's using them in. But in his mind, if this were a white man giving the same exact speech but used the n-word as an example, he shouldn't say the actual word, lol
It’s plain common sense 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Who has a problem with this?
The honey illustration holds no water...I'm always called honey at the Jack in the box drive thru, and I don't see them being canceled because the drive thru lady calls everyone honey. Bottom line, the N word is a hateful word, and hip hop or anybody should not use it; no matter their color. If you're going to slam and cancel country bumkin for getting drunk and saying the N word, then don't be a hypocrite and give hoop dog a pass just because of the color of his skin. It's a double standard that's just wrong on all colors and ethnicities. Wrong is wrong.
You still don't get it do you? Some never will. It's not hateful from other Black people only when non whites say it, regardless of how you feel.in your heart about things.
Why are other words not retconned. Like "wet" people for a long time used in a derogatory way for years. Especially if nobody wants to be wet or doesn't want someone saying it to them. The itsy bitsy spider got wet in the waterspout no one cares about the history behind that word. If we as black don't want others to call us the n-word or say the n-word why the shell is it in so many good songs that are loved by many. Like is this a game with us? We make songs knowing it has the n-word in it and people who are not black like the song and sing it and as SOON as they say it we shame them Is that like a thing to get back at others in that kind of way? Or like a black person says the n-word all day around their cool not black friends but the not black friend says it on mistake and all hell brakes loose. Why are black people when saying the word casually if it is meant to be offensive towards us but get mad when others us it and call the other person racist. It makes no sense. If that's the case black and people who are not black shouldn't use it? Like??
No they shouldn't smh
I truly think the "n" word wouldn't exist without rap. Like I don't even think new generations of kids would know it.
Can brown people - living completely in different continent - can sing the N word?
you mean south asians and arabs
@@domtoretto6850 si
Noooo
@@nikkievans7133 thanks 😊 but it's weird that everyone uses here it so frequently as we say "lad", "bloke", "friend". English isn't our first language neither most of us know about US history whatsoever.
@@nikkievans7133 we caught that word from songs completely oblivious of the lyrics though.
Awesome!!!
the n word should be allow to say, if there a valable context, like singing a song by example..
Say that again to the people in the back!!!
I say the word bitch around my love ones
Let us also take a stand against the term "minority" when referring to Black / POC folx as well. We may be marginalized but we are not less than, or as defined in the dictionary as "the smaller number or part, especially a number that is less than half the whole number - think globally here- "a minority party" nor the state or period of being under the age of full legal responsibility' - particularly when legally children are being tried as adults.
Is it with the a or hard r......and is there a difference? I sure think there is. And if the two endings change the word, does that then mean that white people can say n with the A at the end?
WRONG. The word literally means a race of people ie. African American rac= It does not mean friend bro or whatever else you culture vultures tell yourselves. The N word is for BLACK PEOPLE AND ONLY BLACK PEOPLE. Stay in yalls lanes.
How about can any and all rappers quit saying b!tche$?
calling strangers hun isn’t okay but almost every women live this everyday ? bro
Literally I get treated the same as my black friends I have no advantage in rights and everything else we don’t get treated differently
Don’t matter ye ain’t black 💯
@@dirtydann02 not how it eorkd
white privilege isn’t about having an easy-going lifestyle, it means that being white isn’t a factor that affects your hardships. You can be white have still have a hard upbringing, but being white isn’t a factor of that hard upbringing 🤠
@@moody2x_ u the problem
@@oso332 no bro ur the problem
That’s about the only PRIVILEGE black peoples have....
but calling someone a n*gger
and saying the world as part of a song is different .
I think it's wrong to call someone a n*gger, but to just say the word?
You social system is so fucked up in the US.
He kinda disproved his point by using the term “white trash” without censoring himself
Just saying that Travis Scott and Kanye West are ok for White people sing the “N-word”. Plus is it ok to sing “Niha” or “Nia” or “Nina”
Let’s not forget Kanye was also ok with saying slavery was a choice.
Kanye isn’t a good reference for anything. His card was revoked long before he was born
Ah yes, name the two artist with the most white fan bases lmao. Also just so we’re clear, you’re still talking about Kanye who said that slavery was a choice correct ?
um, theres a difference between calling someone a slur and singing a slur. does that guy get that? it seems he only got part of the context, but not all of it.
racism (websters)
n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Outlawing a word to a certain race is racist. Fool.
The usage of a term does not cause The Black Community to think it’s superior to any other community……smh. Other races not getting the approval to “act Black” is not racism LOL & SMH
Why not?
GOML 2:01 and I think I know why-y-y
WOW!!!
Well ADDRESSED!
AND DEAD ON POINT!
THE ENTITLEMENT FACTOR...
WHICH IS WHY THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND...
Can someone explain to me why white artists are allowed to use n word in their songs?
this is sad.... thought i was following homie
We should use the word (I'm not writing it just because youtube automatically deletes comments containing this word) instead of calling them "blacks".
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I beg you to use the n-word when describing black people in public and to their faces. I beg you! Make sure to film it and send me the video from your hospital bed!
Yes totally you refer to black people as niggas, do it🤞🏾
Not "niggas",
n
i
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As a professional white person, I say YES, we should sing the N word, nay we MUST!
And get you chin checked! Stay in your lane white boi! Use your own racial slur!
Am I allowed to say the N-word if my family is black and i from usa
And I'm white and black
I feel like if you even have to ask if you can say it, then the answer is no. I understand that you’re mixed race/ethnicity, but if you were dark enough and around black people enough, you would already know if you have that pass. This is going to sound really fucked up, but it’s honestly more about how you look and how other people perceive your race than what you actually are. You could be 75% black, but if you “pass” for white and no one can tell you’re black at all, you wouldn’t be able to say it by today’s standards. An example is the rapper Logic. He’s half black. His mother mother is white and his dad is a very light skinned black man. He looks mostly white though. He used to say it, but he stopped because of how he looks because he got backlash. Another thing to consider is that nearly all black Americans have some Level European ancestry because there is someone white in their family tree. Some were due to interracial relationships, but sadly most were because of slave owner raping/cheating on their wives with their female slaves and getting them pregnant. I read the average African American has about 25% white/European DNA, which is a lot if you think about it. So it really does come down to his people perceive your ethnicity. It also has to do with your socioeconomic background and where you grew up. To further confuse the issue, in big cities like NY, LA, and Chicago, it’s really common for hispanic people to say it and it is generally accepted as okay even by the black people there. But that’s because black and Hispanic people in those cities lived in a lot of the same neighborhoods and went through a lot of the same things. So basically, you could have a situation where you as a part black person can’t say it because you look too white, but a hispanic person with lighter skin than you could say it lol. It’s a really complex issue.
No
@@ryananchors1967 Uhhhh Sorry i'm not races my brother says it he's black so sorry
@@ryananchors1967 bro explain bout the race again but if you mixed can you use the N word ?
So if a song says bitch, you skip it while singing the lyrics so you're wife doesn't get mad even though she says it everyday?
0:44, Bogus argument. His "context" argument is bulls***. N****, ain't "Honey." If his wife called him a sorry MF'er, would another woman on the street be able to call him that?? Not the question, is it? The question is, "why would his wife want to call him, or, why would he accept being called a sorry MF'er??" THAT's the question.
But would he have a problem with someone singing a song with the words "sorry MF'er" in it? I think that's the real question. I doubt anyone thinks it's ok to call people the n word on the street. What people are debating is if you can accurately repeat lyrics written by someone else.
Lmaooo at all the angry white people in the comments writing whole ESSAYS about why you should be able to say the n word ahaha
No
2:00 This guy really thinks that he's "deep" when he isn't. If you don't want people calling you something don't say it too each other. We're talking about song lyrics.
Toda la puta razón
He had me until the victim card privilege came out.
Stay mad and use your own damn racial slurs
Is his wife white?
No, Kenyatta Matthews is not white.
No❤
Remember DMX on woodstock 99? Kids today would have a heart attack