Why are so many in the comments misconstruing this clip as a debate over whether or not Stanton/the Yankees should have kept hitting/scoring? It’s not. The commentator’s gripe is about big league clubs throwing positional players out there and waving the white flag for the remainder of the game. Only to see them lob the ball and get knocked around like it’s a “slow pitch softball league”. The conversation and debate here is “how do you feel about the widespread strategy in the mlb currently with teams utilizing positional players to pitch late in blowouts?”
Hmm, thank you for the clarification. Even when that happened I assumed the gripes were over running up the score in a blow out. I feel like in basketball or football, it makes more sense to just run the clock out but that option is not available in baseball. But yeah, having position players throwing 60 MPH pitches is not fun to watch from a fans perspective.
@LaDante LaMichael LaTyrone The Wakandan KANG Where did I imply that there were guidelines? Lol. No one did that. I merely pointed out that a TON of people are misconstruing his argument for a totally different thing and arguing against that. As opposed to the actual topic at hand.
MLB is now tracking run differential as a potential tie breaking stat. If you have a chance to win 16-0 you take it. No one would complain if the Yankees were losing 16-0.
I was saying the same thing to my brother. Pitts commentator would be elated if the Pirates were doing this to the number 1 team in baseball right now.
he's not even complaining about the yankees continuing to hit.. lol he wants to see a reliever come in to finish it out rather than watch a position player throw BP. This is already the 4th time this year us Pirates fans and those announcers have had to watch this. gets real old
If they want teams to stop doing this, expand the rosters so teams aren't as worried about burning through their bullpen when they think they're down by too much to make a comeback. The problem is that it does make competitive sense to put positional players on the mound when the deficit is 10+ runs and you've got limited arms.
@@jjmadoublen7375 that’s literally not the point. Pitchers can pitch just fine, managers don’t want to waste bullets on a game you’re not going to win no matter what.
but heres the thing. People wre mad last year when tatis hit a grand slam to go up 10-3. This game was 10-0 going into this inning. Completely unnecessary
@@Smabe777 nobody is complaining about the Yankees scoring runs. He, and all Pirates fans, are complaining about putting in a position player to pitch for the 4th time this season.
if professional teams are quitting this easily we should stop MLB games once a team goes up 10 points and give every fan in the arena a full discount on their tickets if they are at the game
@@tvl2868 what are you talking about? It was a legit game until Judge hit a grand slam in the 8th. The pirates gave up for 1 inning. Why would you use a bullpen arm when you’re down 10 and only need 3 outs for the game and had no hope in the bottom of the 8th
ok lets take a team with a roster that is worth $230.8 million and have them play a team with a roster worth $31.1 million. Yep that's what happens. Baseball get your shit together and even this out so theres some competaviness in your game. Also, don't celebrate yankee's fans most of your wins are against AL central and the Angels. You don't stack up well with teams over 500. Your pathetic schedule is a joke play some good teams.
@@crossfox255 Also, 27 of the Yankees wins are against the AL East. 2nd is 19 against the AL Central, and 10 against the AL West, with 4 against interleague. So LITERALLY, most of their wins are against their own division, with 3 teams who currently have 45 wins. But again, keep screaming while the Yankees sit here with 60 wins.
I was always taught that you keep playing the game until the final out. The game isn’t over until then and unlike other sports, no score is untouchable. Any team can score as many runs at any point in time.
Yeah the people complaining are always the first ones to have their foot on your throat if the tables were turned. They, too, play until the last out until they get dominated fair and square. Then, they say, "oh come on, that's not fair".
Hey man did you even watch the video? The announcer is talking about position players pitching, not hitting home runs while the game is out of hand. Literally 99.99% of people have no problem with hitters hitting until the final out
@@iidoughnutholes3087 But you are missing the point. The game was only 10-0 before the Pirates decided a position player should pitch. That is on them. Did you see the Pirates bat in the bottom of the 9th? We all did so that means if they managed to score 16 or 17 those runs all count. The day the home team does not bat in the bottom of the 9th, then someone might have a point to make.
The only "joke" in Pittsburgh is Bob Nutting. There is NO EXCUSE for the Pirates pitching staff to be this miserable. I've been following the team since '94 and can't remember a year they've been blown out so many times.
Not really a meltdown. Its just that the game literally gets boring when you put position players on the mound. No one wants to watch their favorite team throwing 55 mph and losing 16-0.
If this was last night's game, I think the Yankees took my request a little to seriously. I just wanted the Yanks to win because my Cubs won their game earlier and that would bump us up just a little bit more over them. I didn't mean they needed to get their broadcasters to die a little bit inside.
i mean, you can't blame Greg Brown..He has seen this go on too long and he's frustrated. He's a fan, too. And when is the last time the Pirates made the playoffs? 2015. Last time they won the division was 1992, and the last time they were in the World Series 1979. Pittsburgh has 2 other sports teams and they draw, so the attendance could be good. Nope, this all comes down to the owner of the Pirates, Bob Nutting, You see Mr, Nutting doesn't have to make a winner, He can just break even,financially, on all the baseball stuff. No, he makes all that money profit sharing from the television revenue. What he does with the money, I don't know, but I can tell you what he doesn't do with the money: he does't spend it on the teams payroll. In 2022 the Yankees were spending 196 million on their payroll, the Pirates, 39 million. Revenue, on the other hand was a little more fair: Yankees 482 million, Pirates 258 million.That is pretty impressive for the Pirate Fans, they keep coming to games, even though their team has been lousy for decades. I don't know why Nutting doesn't sell the team: he bought it in 1996 for 92 Million Dollars, today it is valued at 1.32 Billion.
Thank you! I remember when ownership "had to have a NEW stadium" in order to compete. They got that new stadium and their payroll is in the bottom 5 almost every year.
Every player gets paid for production. Hitting HRs and driving in runs makes them money. Stats matter. If you don't want them hitting home runs, get them out.
@@nathanfuenffinger4364 If you want to act like there wasn't any hidden disdain for the Yankees in his comments, that's fine. But it's pretty clear he was harboring some resentment for the Yanks continuing to score runs.
@@WOODALLY No. There was disdain for watching the 4th time the Pirates put in a position player to pitch. His comments would be the same if it were against any team.
WOODALLY - “If you don’t want them hitting home runs, get them out.” Uh, that’s exactly why the announcers were complaining. They wanted the Pirates to use actual pitchers to get the outs rather than position players throwing softballs.
Exactly. Starters barely go 7 innings now, let alone complete games. Teams have started the game with relievers, and hodge-podged the remaining innings. If the MLB doesn't want this, they should either increase the number of pitchers allowed on the roster or block position players from pitching. One allows the teams to carry a few extra, expendable arms. The other forces them to use their starters deeper into games. How did pitchers throw 200+ innings year after year in the past and put long careers together? They treat their starters like their arms are made out of glass. Something's definitely 'broken' here, and it isn't their arms. "Pitching" has never been about going out there for 5 innings, throwing as hard as you can. Maybe they need to study the game and stop watching so much video of their windup/mechanics.
no. We are allowed to blame a privately owned sporting organization for allowing this. If they can force men to shave their beards, they can also stop this nonsense. Sports are not REAL things. They are just activities people agreed were entertaining enough to pay to watch people do. People can also decide if something is NOT interesting enough to pay to watch.... and then it's gone forever.... but sports are not REAL.
He gets twice the money he puts into his team just from Revenue sharing in MLB which means he’s immediately pocking like 70mil (not counting stadium expenses) without selling a ticket And this happens with a ton of teams
@@Hollowhalf17 oh I know. So they pay him to be in the basement but that’s never good for a city, especially Pittsburgh where we have a winning culture except for the schmuckos
@@Legendary-zh9hd it cost $10 to go to a Braves game, and that’s when they play the Mets. It’s pretty subjective based on the park. Cost me $40 to go to Tropicana when they play the Yankees
We have an entire rule, the DH because it is embarrassing watching (most) pitchers attempt to bat So explain to me why we can’t change something to the roster rules, so that this position player pitching useless innings crap becomes unnecessary???
Feel sorry for Pirates fans in the stadium. All of them should have been refunded some of their $$ as their team gave up before 9 innings had been played.
If the Pirates are offended then forfeit. Quit. Throw in the towel. They owe the Yankees some competition for the sake of the game. The Yanks owe them nothing.
@James Black "They gotta quit doing this...I'm not talking about the Pirates" He's talking about the Yankees, but won't use his chest to call them out.
@@Glokta6 No he was saying as in not JUST the Pirates. Referring to having position players picthing more often now. At least that's how I interpreted it.
@@Glokta6 lol assuming he meant the Yankees is ridiculous, when he immediately goes on to reference other teams using position players to pitch as well. he's sick of seeing it. makes a mockery of the game.
I don't see the problem with using position players on the mound. It's comic relief for an otherwise boring game with an all-but-foregone conclusion. It's fun to see how well a PP can pitch against the other team's best hitters. Sometimes they surprise you -- just look at the Freeman-Rizzo matchup from a year ago. I do like the MLB rule that the gap must be at least 5 runs for a PP to pitch, though I'd prefer if it was more like 9 or 10 runs. A 5-run gap, even in the 9th inning, is certainly surmountable. We've seen it a few times already this season.
These guys don't realize that if Stanton hits it, it'll be hit hard and most likely gone. They must not have seen his batting practice. He hits everything hard and gone.
who’s these guys? if you’re yet another idiot thinking the announcer are hating on stanton for hitting a home run, try paying attention and realize they’re talking about how the pirates are so bad that this is the 4th time this year they’ve finished a game with a position player
magichwoo - The announcers are not complaining about Stanton or any other player hitting home runs. They are complaining about the Pirates and other teams who use position players to pitch at the end of games when the other team is leading big.
Holy shit man. I cant believe so many people actully think this. Nobody is faulting any of the Yankees for hitting. Guys get paid based on counting stats. Everyone understands that. He, and all Pirates fans, are complaining about having to watch a position player pitch for the 4th time this season. "They have to stop doing this" is in reference to the FOURTH TIME hes had to call a blowout loss with a position player on the mound. And the fourth time fans have had to watch. Its embarrassing.
I kinda understand what they are saying about using position players to pitch. But when the game is over it's just a matter of getting the third out in the night any. The managers don't want to use up the bullpen. In a way it's the smart thing to do now your bullpen is getting another day off. For the Yankees running up the score they are not supposed to stop playing. People are paying good money to see these guys hit the ball a few hundred feet.
The way to solve this problem is the GM of Pittsburg pays for players that can play Baseball. To the announcers, yes this is a joke and it is Major League Baseball. The joke is the Pirates have no pitching and no offence. What's your point? Get a team and a new job.
The way to solve the problem is for the OWNER of the Pirates.....the Cheapskate Hillbilly Prince, Bob Nutting....to spend a little money putting a competitive team on the field.
Ya. when you can buy all the best free agents in the league you should kick the pirates asses like this. MLB needs a salary cap. The dodgers do this shit every year too and its killing the sport.
For a sport that prides itself on statistics and history, this makes a mockery of the game All statistical integrity is out the door NO other major sport allows non position player to impact the game
You could say the same of the 162 game season (used to be shorter) You could say the same of steroids You could say the same of the Astros cheating to know what pitch was coming Etc etc Point is, life isn’t fair, and MLB SHOULD try and tweak the roster rules so that we don’t need to see position players pitching, but unless and until they do, it’ll continue to happen, and the stats still ‘count’
@@ifbfmto9338 You're comparing apples to oranges I guess position players won't be allowed to pitch at all AFTER one of them gets smoked with a 120mph line drive off their coconut and ends their career!!!
@@kazitude1 Look I am all for a rule change to make the embarrassing position players pitching come to an end It’s boring and uncompetitive and it’s happening more and more frequently I don’t exactly what type of rule change would be most effective for this, but I’m all for changing something
Greg Brown finally found a way to tell the truth about what it's like to be an announcer employed by Bob Nutting. This poor guy was working for the Pirates way before him and deserves better.
This is what happens when you're league has such a disparity in team salaries. It's ridiculous to think all teams can remain competitive when some have the ability to spend a lot and some don't.
We've been so worried about Pittsburg fans that we never stopped to think about the broadcasters who have had to live through this hellish nightmare for the majority of the last 3 decades. Poor guys are going to need some serious therapy when it's all said and done
In all other sports they have legitimate backup players to take over during blowouts. Bench players in NBA, second and third string QB in NFL, etc. but in baseball you have to preserve your bullpen so we watch complete pitching amateurs lob 30 MPH pitches. It lacks all professionalism and is a terrible, embarrassing product.
I understand position players have been throwing a lot this year, but what does he want the pirates to do? It’s the 9th inning, you’re way down on runs, your bullpen is tired, you’re not winning this game, Yankees bullpen isn’t giving up 10 in an inning, who cares a position player is on the mound, they needed to save arms. So what you get hit for a few more in the 9th. Yankees had to do the same against Tampa at a game last year
If they’re worried about this kind of stuff happening - field a better baseball team; have your team’s owner spend some more money and get better pitching
So many people are saying it’s an unwinnable game, but if the other team can score 8 runs in an inning, you theoretically can too. In the garbage time of basketball games they put in the backup players, but they don’t put in the concession stand workers.
I dont understand why people are salty. Putting in a position player saves worthless pitches from relievers and if someone hits a homerun off of you so what, thats part of the fun. Throw 40 mph pitches. it is supposed to be something entertaining in an otherwise boring rest of a game. go look at when yadi or pujols pitched, just for the love of the game.
John Sterling -- in an increasingly rare moment of insightful lucidity -- recently said, "Look, if you really think that your only remaining option is to put a position player on the mound, just call the umpires around home plate at the start of that half-inning and tell them that your team doesn't wanna play anymore, and that's the ballgame. Simple. And then nobody risks getting hurt, and we don't have to sit through this nonsense."
John Sterling is more correct about this point of view than he has been with many of his Radio Calls this year, this is coming from a die-hard Yankee fan
@@johnkurtz7705 You didnt know. Say player instead of pitcher then. The announcers comments were based on the fact that a position player was in there giving the other team free runs. That seems to be lost on about 90 percent of the people commenting here which seem to believe the comments were about the Pirates losing 16-0 in the first place.
@@NothingToPointOut24 I had no idea that this guy was a position player. I couldn't understand why Stanton hitting a homer would be "ridiculous" as the announcer put it.
As bad as this appears... Pirates still splits the series. That's a minor victory for them. The ownership is on MLB though, they should have a mercy rule. Also with large score differential I'd say it's a great opportunity to try maybe let guys play different positions, rookie relievers...etc.
Mercy rule? Buddy what about epic come backs? And people got stats to chase and incentives to get paid bonus get outta here with the mercy rule what are we 12 years old?
The Oakland A’s were up 0-11 in the top of the 4th inning against the Kansas City Royals back in 2002, and the Royals came back and tied it 11-11 in the 9th inning. Then the Oakland A’s won a walk off homerun victory to win 11-12, but it just goes to show you that it isn’t over until the last out of the 9th inning had been recorded.
@@yurifrommw215 Ok but if you look at the percentage of the time a team comes back from down 10 or more runs, it’s only a fraction of a percent 🤷🏼♂️ Virtually anything that can happen will occasionally happen, but it’s still exceedingly unlikely Once a (losing) team puts a position player in to pitch they are essentially forfeiting the game 🤷🏼♂️
@@ifbfmto9338 that's exactly right. It's clear the Pirates were not planning for a epic comeback at that piont. Position players on the mount are lobbing because they don't want to get hurt. What ends up is an uncompetitive product anyway.
From a Pirates fan, I definitely would’ve hit a HR off a position player cuz that’s not part of the game, and either play well or expand the rosters. I definitely would’ve done what Stanton done in this situation
They are right. It is a joke. If you are the Pirates, in this case or the Cubs and others who have done it several times, throw in the towel. Quit. Dont take the field. Have a ten-run rule if teams are going to quit (NO. DO NOT DO THAT). OR, just ban players from pitching. Pretty simple.
If the Starter gave up 5 or 6 runs in the first 2 innings they might as well keep him in for 6 or 7 innings.. then make sure you have a RP in the bullpen that can throw more than 20 pitches and not be handled like gd baby.
They're probably right, but teams are gonna save arms when they're down by 12 in the 9th. When it was done once a year it was funny. Now I've seen it done by 3 different teams in 3 months. Yankees have like 4 homers off of backup outfielders...😁
It really started when the Yankees took home with a sac fly up by 10 at the time I believe. From that point on he was crying the rest of the game about everything.
I’m not a Yankee fan, but wtf do you want them to do? Go easy? Pitch better and get them out. I hate this “unwritten rules of baseball” shit. “You’re suppose to let us get you out!” 🥺 cry babies
it’s a position player on the mound, which the announcers are complaining about lmao, they don’t care that they lost, they don’t want to see a position player on the mound.
Yankees batters were in the middle of a cold front on offense. Manager should allow them to open up and break the funk. Sorry if it hurt the announcer's feelings.
People are starting to whisper that if teams keep using position players to pitch in blowouts, that a mercy rule should be instituted. Will never happen. Wanna know why? Gambling.
No it doesn't and position players pitching used to be a lot rarer. As far other sports I'll use the nfl as an example. Teams very rarely pull starters in a blow out in the nfl. This would be the equivalent of letting the punter be a qb for the fourth quarter when your losing by a lot.
I can't quite understand what they are going on about. At first I thought they were mad because Stanton swung for the fences against a position player, but then at the end it seems more like they are mad at the Pirates and MLB for allowing position players to pitch
@@tvl2868 Can't really blame them either. The dumb rule changes, the analytics, especially when baseball is still won the way it's been for over 100 years
I agree, Pirates are ridiculous. If you insert a position player to pitch, the hitters have every right to crush the ball and score a lot of runs. If the Pirates don't want to see this happen in a 10-0 game, put in a real pitcher, a legit pitcher and get 3 outs. This announcer is a whiner and a big baby and if he had any spine, he would criticize the Pirates and walk into the clubhouse and tell the team they are embarrassing the game with this moves.
Thats exactly what he would like them to quit doing. "they have to stop doing this" is in reference to it being the fourth time this season the Pirates have sent out a position player to pitch. its embarrassing.
Lol. Why are so many people complaining about the runs. This happens in all sports. Last NBA season the OKC Thunder lost a game by 70. It’s gonna be ok Baseball purists
@@StillProtesting I understand but if they didn’t go up by like 8 they wouldn’t have put in position players. An outfielder pitching only happens when a team is being blown out. Not like the catcher was the starting pitcher for the game.
@@SquashMelendez They just want teams to not be able or have a reason to use position players as pitchers, man. The public pays a premium price to watch these games and when we go to a game and see 8-0 we automatically assume we should leave because the team that is losing will most likely throw in a position player to pitch. And why is it that these position players can chuck the ball really hard in the field but when they get on the mount it's slow pitch softball? It is ridiculous.
By the time the position player came in and those home runs were, hit they were already down by 10....it was the 9th inning...what difference does it make at that point.....all the pirate fans left by then anyway!!
Geez they should just implement a mercy rule if people are going to be like this… (for maximum effect the manager has to wave a white flag). like if you give up on the game, don’t complain if the other team still competes.
Why are so many in the comments misconstruing this clip as a debate over whether or not Stanton/the Yankees should have kept hitting/scoring? It’s not. The commentator’s gripe is about big league clubs throwing positional players out there and waving the white flag for the remainder of the game. Only to see them lob the ball and get knocked around like it’s a “slow pitch softball league”. The conversation and debate here is “how do you feel about the widespread strategy in the mlb currently with teams utilizing positional players to pitch late in blowouts?”
Thank you! I’m barely a position player and then they made me pitch?!?!? My groin has never been the same.
Because it’s a poorly edited clip with no context
Hmm, thank you for the clarification. Even when that happened I assumed the gripes were over running up the score in a blow out. I feel like in basketball or football, it makes more sense to just run the clock out but that option is not available in baseball. But yeah, having position players throwing 60 MPH pitches is not fun to watch from a fans perspective.
@LaDante LaMichael LaTyrone The Wakandan KANG Where did I imply that there were guidelines? Lol. No one did that. I merely pointed out that a TON of people are misconstruing his argument for a totally different thing and arguing against that. As opposed to the actual topic at hand.
@@itscalleddesign9940 It has plenty of context. The commentator completely explains his gripe.
Man’s been calling Pirates games for 28 years. They finally broke him.
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Good 1!!!!
Mr. Milktoast strikes again. He’s one of the Mr. Rogers of baseball.
This was funny as hell 😂😂😂
MLB is now tracking run differential as a potential tie breaking stat. If you have a chance to win 16-0 you take it. No one would complain if the Yankees were losing 16-0.
I was saying the same thing to my brother. Pitts commentator would be elated if the Pirates were doing this to the number 1 team in baseball right now.
Big facts😂
he's not even complaining about the yankees continuing to hit.. lol he wants to see a reliever come in to finish it out rather than watch a position player throw BP. This is already the 4th time this year us Pirates fans and those announcers have had to watch this. gets real old
Yankees losing 16 to 0? You are so funny. As far as a tie breaking stat that would be a very idiotic way to determine a record. Go Stros!!!!
If the Yankees were losing 16-0 to the Pirates and they only had 4 hits some of us would uninstall life
Pirates announcers: "This is ridiculous." Yankees hitters: "I'm in heaven."
Like stealing candy 🍬 from a baby 👶.
Pirates fans if they have any left have been saying this is ridiculous since 1993
Are the Pirates even triple A talent?
If they want teams to stop doing this, expand the rosters so teams aren't as worried about burning through their bullpen when they think they're down by too much to make a comeback. The problem is that it does make competitive sense to put positional players on the mound when the deficit is 10+ runs and you've got limited arms.
Negative. Tell these Sally pitchers to man up and actually pitch a couple innings.
Teams are carrying 8 relievers these days. How is that not enough? Do they need 15 or something?
@@jjmadoublen7375 that’s literally not the point. Pitchers can pitch just fine, managers don’t want to waste bullets on a game you’re not going to win no matter what.
@@peterp2153 it’s enough, they just don’t waste their energy on blowouts like this, save their arm for games that can be won.
@@jjmadoublen7375 exactly
im sorry sir what's wrong with watching a softball game
Hahaha
It isn’t softball
Everything
The lack of parity
@@scottpigford8164 your joking right?
I've seen teams come back from 10 or more also. You never know, that's why you play all 9. That's why we watch.❤️⚾
bro a baseball lover 😂
Ur talking about the Pittsburgh pirates coming back 14 runs against one of the if not the best teams in baseball?
Yeah I don't think so
but heres the thing. People wre mad last year when tatis hit a grand slam to go up 10-3. This game was 10-0 going into this inning. Completely unnecessary
@@Smabe777 nobody is complaining about the Yankees scoring runs. He, and all Pirates fans, are complaining about putting in a position player to pitch for the 4th time this season.
Yep! Til the proverbial fat lady sings!
Well, usually that's at the beginning in baseball but you get what I'm sayin.
Don’t be down 14-0 then lol
thanks captain obvious. why don’t teams just win every game
If u actually listened they are criticizing the Pirates for putting a position player in, not Stanton or the Yankees
if professional teams are quitting this easily we should stop MLB games once a team goes up 10 points and give every fan in the arena a full discount on their tickets if they are at the game
@@tvl2868 what are you talking about? It was a legit game until Judge hit a grand slam in the 8th. The pirates gave up for 1 inning. Why would you use a bullpen arm when you’re down 10 and only need 3 outs for the game and had no hope in the bottom of the 8th
He's not complaining about the home run, he's complaining about position players pitching.
You know how you stop this: Score runs
Lol ikr
ok lets take a team with a roster that is worth $230.8 million and have them play a team with a roster worth $31.1 million. Yep that's what happens. Baseball get your shit together and even this out so theres some competaviness in your game. Also, don't celebrate yankee's fans most of your wins are against AL central and the Angels. You don't stack up well with teams over 500. Your pathetic schedule is a joke play some good teams.
@@crossfox255 the Yankees are 27-13 against teams over .500 this season, but go off
@@crossfox255 Also, 27 of the Yankees wins are against the AL East. 2nd is 19 against the AL Central, and 10 against the AL West, with 4 against interleague. So LITERALLY, most of their wins are against their own division, with 3 teams who currently have 45 wins. But again, keep screaming while the Yankees sit here with 60 wins.
Yeah I don’t know why anyone is picking on the Yankees. It’s not their fault the Pirates are awful.
I was always taught that you keep playing the game until the final out. The game isn’t over until then and unlike other sports, no score is untouchable. Any team can score as many runs at any point in time.
Yeah the people complaining are always the first ones to have their foot on your throat if the tables were turned. They, too, play until the last out until they get dominated fair and square. Then, they say, "oh come on, that's not fair".
How many games in Major League Baseball have you heard of when in the bottom of the 9th inning a team comes back by 16 runs?
Hey man did you even watch the video? The announcer is talking about position players pitching, not hitting home runs while the game is out of hand. Literally 99.99% of people have no problem with hitters hitting until the final out
@@iidoughnutholes3087 But you are missing the point. The game was only 10-0 before the Pirates decided a position player should pitch. That is on them.
Did you see the Pirates bat in the bottom of the 9th? We all did so that means if they managed to score 16 or 17 those runs all count.
The day the home team does not bat in the bottom of the 9th, then someone might have a point to make.
@@lavarball2058 Exactly.
Gave the fans something to watch at least.
The only "joke" in Pittsburgh is Bob Nutting. There is NO EXCUSE for the Pirates pitching staff to be this miserable. I've been following the team since '94 and can't remember a year they've been blown out so many times.
Pirates literally beat them yesterday…lmao
at least they're handing out souvenir baseballs to the people who stayed
@@nahor88 this guy might be a better pitcher than half the guys on the pirates.
@@billymuellerTikTok the fans got a free preview of the home run derby.
The Pirates haven’t been major leaguers for a long time 😂
Oh wow... that comment was a straight up murder.
Hi Mikey!
They made the wild card 2013,2014,2015 which is better then some clubs and they did that paying players in yuenglings and ramen noodles lol
Not really a meltdown. Its just that the game literally gets boring when you put position players on the mound. No one wants to watch their favorite team throwing 55 mph and losing 16-0.
If this was last night's game, I think the Yankees took my request a little to seriously. I just wanted the Yanks to win because my Cubs won their game earlier and that would bump us up just a little bit more over them. I didn't mean they needed to get their broadcasters to die a little bit inside.
Cubs aren't winning anything this year either, so wouldn't you want a higher draft pick?
This is still the funnest thing I’ve ever seen 🤣
The announcers 😭😭😭
i mean, you can't blame Greg Brown..He has seen this go on too long and he's frustrated. He's a fan, too. And when is the last time the Pirates made the playoffs? 2015. Last time they won the division was 1992, and the last time they were in the World Series 1979. Pittsburgh has 2 other sports teams and they draw, so the attendance could be good. Nope, this all comes down to the owner of the Pirates, Bob Nutting, You see Mr, Nutting doesn't have to make a winner, He can just break even,financially, on all the baseball stuff. No, he makes all that money profit sharing from the television revenue. What he does with the money, I don't know, but I can tell you what he doesn't do with the money: he does't spend it on the teams payroll. In 2022 the Yankees were spending 196 million on their payroll, the Pirates, 39 million. Revenue, on the other hand was a little more fair: Yankees 482 million, Pirates 258 million.That is pretty impressive for the Pirate Fans, they keep coming to games, even though their team has been lousy for decades. I don't know why Nutting doesn't sell the team: he bought it in 1996 for 92 Million Dollars, today it is valued at 1.32 Billion.
Thank you! I remember when ownership "had to have a NEW stadium" in order to compete. They got that new stadium and their payroll is in the bottom 5 almost every year.
How did you get those revenue numbers? Just curious
Ohhh man the announcers reaction say it all 😭😭
But if the Yankees had to put their position players in because the pirates were routing them, the pirates announcers would be ecstatic 😂
Exactly
Every player gets paid for production. Hitting HRs and driving in runs makes them money. Stats matter. If you don't want them hitting home runs, get them out.
What's your point exactly? Announcer was criticizing his own team for bringing in a position player to pitch.
@@nathanfuenffinger4364 If you want to act like there wasn't any hidden disdain for the Yankees in his comments, that's fine. But it's pretty clear he was harboring some resentment for the Yanks continuing to score runs.
@@WOODALLY Absolutely not. He even said something about other teams doing the same thing..bringing in position players to pitch.
@@WOODALLY No. There was disdain for watching the 4th time the Pirates put in a position player to pitch. His comments would be the same if it were against any team.
WOODALLY - “If you don’t want them hitting home runs, get them out.” Uh, that’s exactly why the announcers were complaining. They wanted the Pirates to use actual pitchers to get the outs rather than position players throwing softballs.
The way managers set up their pitching rotations, this is bound to happen. In the old days, pitchers would pitch longer whether they did well or not.
Exactly. Starters barely go 7 innings now, let alone complete games. Teams have started the game with relievers, and hodge-podged the remaining innings. If the MLB doesn't want this, they should either increase the number of pitchers allowed on the roster or block position players from pitching. One allows the teams to carry a few extra, expendable arms. The other forces them to use their starters deeper into games. How did pitchers throw 200+ innings year after year in the past and put long careers together? They treat their starters like their arms are made out of glass. Something's definitely 'broken' here, and it isn't their arms. "Pitching" has never been about going out there for 5 innings, throwing as hard as you can. Maybe they need to study the game and stop watching so much video of their windup/mechanics.
Blame the Pirates for bringing in a position player. Otherwise, don't complain.
no. We are allowed to blame a privately owned sporting organization for allowing this. If they can force men to shave their beards, they can also stop this nonsense. Sports are not REAL things. They are just activities people agreed were entertaining enough to pay to watch people do. People can also decide if something is NOT interesting enough to pay to watch.... and then it's gone forever.... but sports are not REAL.
every team does this. it’s stupid and a waste of time.
They did blame the Pirates.
@@tvl2868 Let us know when they let you out of the nut house.
@@tvl2868 if this not sport, what's the right and true Sport in your mind?
Lol @ the announcers
What needs to stop is having the Pirates owner not put any money into the team and just using them as a cash grab
He gets twice the money he puts into his team just from Revenue sharing in MLB which means he’s immediately pocking like 70mil (not counting stadium expenses) without selling a ticket
And this happens with a ton of teams
@@Hollowhalf17 oh I know. So they pay him to be in the basement but that’s never good for a city, especially Pittsburgh where we have a winning culture except for the schmuckos
@@Hollowhalf17 wish he would have sold to Mark Cuban when he wanted to buy
@@mjdj3360 That would’ve been awesome. The Revenue Sharing in Mlb pisses me off to no end because of this 😂 like half the teams need to sell
That’s Bob nutjob nutting for ya
Perhaps the announcers would be ok with a Mercy rule. They have that in some softball lgs.
Lol. They can forfeit the game , but somehow they think this is better because they can still charge full price for tickets.
people have to pay an absurd amount of money to go to an MLB game. You don't pay to watch a crappy softball league at your local park.
@@Legendary-zh9hd it cost $10 to go to a Braves game, and that’s when they play the Mets. It’s pretty subjective based on the park. Cost me $40 to go to Tropicana when they play the Yankees
They can’t do mercy rules. They sell too merch, food and beverages at the park. Broadcasters won’t want to lose ads between every half inning.
We have an entire rule, the DH because it is embarrassing watching (most) pitchers attempt to bat
So explain to me why we can’t change something to the roster rules, so that this position player pitching useless innings crap becomes unnecessary???
You can't call VanMeter a position player lol!
Treat it something like a rain delay-- put on The Little Rascals, but keep the game in a corner of the screen with no sound.
"This is ridiculous" sums up the Pirates in general, not just the positional pitching but the management as well.
The good news is it's only one loss.
The bad news is we'll have at least another 99 to go with it.
Feel sorry for Pirates fans in the stadium. All of them should have been refunded some of their $$ as their team gave up before 9 innings had been played.
they have a double header tomorrow. you cant throw the entire bullpen and expect to play 2 games the next day.
There was like 5 Pirates fans in that stadium...it looked like this game was in the Bronx.
Haha! Saw Pirates fans even filming and cheering Judge's homer!
If the Pirates are offended then forfeit. Quit. Throw in the towel. They owe the Yankees some competition for the sake of the game. The Yanks owe them nothing.
The announcers are literally saying what you're saying, though
@James Black "They gotta quit doing this...I'm not talking about the Pirates" He's talking about the Yankees, but won't use his chest to call them out.
@@Glokta6 No he was saying as in not JUST the Pirates. Referring to having position players picthing more often now. At least that's how I interpreted it.
he referred to position players pitching, it shouldn't be, I would say just apply a knock out rule and get it over with.
@@Glokta6 lol assuming he meant the Yankees is ridiculous, when he immediately goes on to reference other teams using position players to pitch as well. he's sick of seeing it. makes a mockery of the game.
Hes right though. Its like every other day someone is throwing 45 mph. Definitely more than in past
I bet you people that play fantasy baseball that have these players are not complaining.
MLB The Show on Beginner mode with the CPU sliders all the way to the left & User sliders all the way to the right lol
I don't see the problem with using position players on the mound. It's comic relief for an otherwise boring game with an all-but-foregone conclusion. It's fun to see how well a PP can pitch against the other team's best hitters. Sometimes they surprise you -- just look at the Freeman-Rizzo matchup from a year ago.
I do like the MLB rule that the gap must be at least 5 runs for a PP to pitch, though I'd prefer if it was more like 9 or 10 runs. A 5-run gap, even in the 9th inning, is certainly surmountable. We've seen it a few times already this season.
These guys don't realize that if Stanton hits it, it'll be hit hard and most likely gone. They must not have seen his batting practice. He hits everything hard and gone.
who’s these guys? if you’re yet another idiot thinking the announcer are hating on stanton for hitting a home run, try paying attention and realize they’re talking about how the pirates are so bad that this is the 4th time this year they’ve finished a game with a position player
magichwoo - The announcers are not complaining about Stanton or any other player hitting home runs. They are complaining about the Pirates and other teams who use position players to pitch at the end of games when the other team is leading big.
In this same game, the Yankees announcer was complaining about Joey Gallo. "Gallo strikes out which is not a surprise at this point."
Winning Bigly!
Greg, You need to talk to our owner. Its up to him to invest in better players. You shouldn't fault, Mr. Stanton for doing what he is paid to do.
Holy shit man. I cant believe so many people actully think this. Nobody is faulting any of the Yankees for hitting. Guys get paid based on counting stats. Everyone understands that. He, and all Pirates fans, are complaining about having to watch a position player pitch for the 4th time this season. "They have to stop doing this" is in reference to the FOURTH TIME hes had to call a blowout loss with a position player on the mound. And the fourth time fans have had to watch. Its embarrassing.
I think Greg want a mercy rule. I love his voice. His catchphrase rrrr great.
I kinda understand what they are saying about using position players to pitch. But when the game is over it's just a matter of getting the third out in the night any. The managers don't want to use up the bullpen. In a way it's the smart thing to do now your bullpen is getting another day off. For the Yankees running up the score they are not supposed to stop playing. People are paying good money to see these guys hit the ball a few hundred feet.
The way to solve this problem is the GM of Pittsburg pays for players that can play Baseball. To the announcers, yes this is a joke and it is Major League Baseball. The joke is the Pirates have no pitching and no offence. What's your point? Get a team and a new job.
The way to solve the problem is for the OWNER of the Pirates.....the Cheapskate Hillbilly Prince, Bob Nutting....to spend a little money putting a competitive team on the field.
My reaction to driving in Houston around every corner to find a construction zone…
Keep scoring those runs Yankees!⚾
YESSSIr
Absolutely. All of these players get contracts and bonuses based on stats. Every homer counts
Ya. when you can buy all the best free agents in the league you should kick the pirates asses like this. MLB needs a salary cap. The dodgers do this shit every year too and its killing the sport.
Actually it isn’t. That’s a fallacy.
For a sport that prides itself on statistics and history, this makes a mockery of the game
All statistical integrity is out the door
NO other major sport allows non position player to impact the game
You could say the same of the 162 game season (used to be shorter)
You could say the same of steroids
You could say the same of the Astros cheating to know what pitch was coming
Etc etc
Point is, life isn’t fair, and MLB SHOULD try and tweak the roster rules so that we don’t need to see position players pitching, but unless and until they do, it’ll continue to happen, and the stats still ‘count’
@@ifbfmto9338
You're comparing apples to oranges
I guess position players won't be allowed to pitch at all AFTER one of them gets smoked with a 120mph line drive off their coconut and ends their career!!!
@@kazitude1 Look I am all for a rule change to make the embarrassing position players pitching come to an end
It’s boring and uncompetitive and it’s happening more and more frequently
I don’t exactly what type of rule change would be most effective for this, but I’m all for changing something
Greg Brown finally found a way to tell the truth about what it's like to be an announcer employed by Bob Nutting. This poor guy was working for the Pirates way before him and deserves better.
This is what happens when you're league has such a disparity in team salaries. It's ridiculous to think all teams can remain competitive when some have the ability to spend a lot and some don't.
Many baseball teams arent trying to be competitive is the problem
Do you have any idea what you’re commenting on? I don’t think so
fans should be able to come down and pitch for the team
or come in and announce the game
I got a great 50 mph fast ball
Put me in coach, I’m ready to play.. Today. Hey hey 🤔
What does he want the Yankees to do just strike out on purpose? How about your team plays better and stop complaining. This is professional sports.
turn the table around on Yankees , I am sure, that the broadcaster guy would say the exact opposite.
We've been so worried about Pittsburg fans that we never stopped to think about the broadcasters who have had to live through this hellish nightmare for the majority of the last 3 decades. Poor guys are going to need some serious therapy when it's all said and done
Haha!!)
Implement a mercy rule in MLB already. It would fix everything. No more garbage innings and stat padding.
Blowouts happen in all sports, so have INSANE comebacks. Mercy rules are dumb. More so in baseball even where there is no time limit
They’ll never do that when fans pay to come watch the game. Beer, hot dogs, jerseys, souvenirs. At the end of the day it’s still business
In all other sports they have legitimate backup players to take over during blowouts. Bench players in NBA, second and third string QB in NFL, etc. but in baseball you have to preserve your bullpen so we watch complete pitching amateurs lob 30 MPH pitches. It lacks all professionalism and is a terrible, embarrassing product.
I understand position players have been throwing a lot this year, but what does he want the pirates to do? It’s the 9th inning, you’re way down on runs, your bullpen is tired, you’re not winning this game, Yankees bullpen isn’t giving up 10 in an inning, who cares a position player is on the mound, they needed to save arms. So what you get hit for a few more in the 9th. Yankees had to do the same against Tampa at a game last year
If they’re worried about this kind of stuff happening - field a better baseball team; have your team’s owner spend some more money and get better pitching
The pirates had a double header the next day. Obviously they aren’t gonna burn bullpen arms down 10
So many people are saying it’s an unwinnable game, but if the other team can score 8 runs in an inning, you theoretically can too. In the garbage time of basketball games they put in the backup players, but they don’t put in the concession stand workers.
I feel sorry for the fans honestly, to pay good money and or take off time from work and spending time with your family to come out and watch this
NHL teams have two goalies and after that it's "some guy on standby who has played goalie somewhere." Not one of the team's skaters.
It's a team SPORT
I dont understand why people are salty. Putting in a position player saves worthless pitches from relievers and if someone hits a homerun off of you so what, thats part of the fun. Throw 40 mph pitches. it is supposed to be something entertaining in an otherwise boring rest of a game. go look at when yadi or pujols pitched, just for the love of the game.
John Sterling -- in an increasingly rare moment of insightful lucidity -- recently said, "Look, if you really think that your only remaining option is to put a position player on the mound, just call the umpires around home plate at the start of that half-inning and tell them that your team doesn't wanna play anymore, and that's the ballgame. Simple. And then nobody risks getting hurt, and we don't have to sit through this nonsense."
John Sterling is more correct about this point of view than he has been with many of his Radio Calls this year, this is coming from a die-hard Yankee fan
@@johnweidler2235 Me too on both counts.
Poor pitcher, probably his last mound work. His era is 39.00 Go yanks
He is a position player, not a full time pitcher
@@BestPotatoMan I know, that's why I said his last mound work
@@johnkurtz7705 ok my bad
@@johnkurtz7705 You didnt know. Say player instead of pitcher then.
The announcers comments were based on the fact that a position player was in there giving the other team free runs. That seems to be lost on about 90 percent of the people commenting here which seem to believe the comments were about the Pirates losing 16-0 in the first place.
@@NothingToPointOut24 I had no idea that this guy was a position player. I couldn't understand why Stanton hitting a homer would be "ridiculous" as the announcer put it.
As bad as this appears... Pirates still splits the series. That's a minor victory for them.
The ownership is on MLB though, they should have a mercy rule. Also with large score differential I'd say it's a great opportunity to try maybe let guys play different positions, rookie relievers...etc.
Mercy rule? Buddy what about epic come backs? And people got stats to chase and incentives to get paid bonus get outta here with the mercy rule what are we 12 years old?
Eww gross mercy rule is lame! That’s why mlb viewership goes down because the games get limited.
The Oakland A’s were up 0-11 in the top of the 4th inning against the Kansas City Royals back in 2002, and the Royals came back and tied it 11-11 in the 9th inning. Then the Oakland A’s won a walk off homerun victory to win 11-12, but it just goes to show you that it isn’t over until the last out of the 9th inning had been recorded.
@@yurifrommw215 Ok but if you look at the percentage of the time a team comes back from down 10 or more runs, it’s only a fraction of a percent 🤷🏼♂️
Virtually anything that can happen will occasionally happen, but it’s still exceedingly unlikely
Once a (losing) team puts a position player in to pitch they are essentially forfeiting the game 🤷🏼♂️
@@ifbfmto9338 that's exactly right. It's clear the Pirates were not planning for a epic comeback at that piont. Position players on the mount are lobbing because they don't want to get hurt. What ends up is an uncompetitive product anyway.
Man saved my bet 15$ to 200 thanks stanton
From a Pirates fan, I definitely would’ve hit a HR off a position player cuz that’s not part of the game, and either play well or expand the rosters. I definitely would’ve done what Stanton done in this situation
The game was blacked out here so I didn't get to see this. WOW! I can't believe he said that. Major meltdown.
He's right. This is the fourth time he, and every Pirates fan, has had to watch a position player pitch. It's not ok.
Do not understand what the problem was please explain
They are right. It is a joke. If you are the Pirates, in this case or the Cubs and others who have done it several times, throw in the towel. Quit. Dont take the field. Have a ten-run rule if teams are going to quit (NO. DO NOT DO THAT). OR, just ban players from pitching. Pretty simple.
Complaining about complaining, let them be frustrated. It's never fun when your team is in that situation.
This game was like batting practice for the Yankees
If the Starter gave up 5 or 6 runs in the first 2 innings they might as well keep him in for 6 or 7 innings.. then make sure you have a RP in the bullpen that can throw more than 20 pitches and not be handled like gd baby.
They're probably right, but teams are gonna save arms when they're down by 12 in the 9th.
When it was done once a year it was funny.
Now I've seen it done by 3 different teams in 3 months.
Yankees have like 4 homers off of backup outfielders...😁
Yankees have hit 4 hr off of outfielders in the last week.. lol
So if a position player goes in to pitch are you supposed to just let him pitch and not swing?
It really started when the Yankees took home with a sac fly up by 10 at the time I believe. From that point on he was crying the rest of the game about everything.
Wouldn't surprise me.
I’ve been a Cubs fan since about 1980. I’m conditioned to things going wrong, lol….
I’m not a Yankee fan, but wtf do you want them to do? Go easy? Pitch better and get them out. I hate this “unwritten rules of baseball” shit. “You’re suppose to let us get you out!” 🥺 cry babies
it’s a position player on the mound, which the announcers are complaining about lmao, they don’t care that they lost, they don’t want to see a position player on the mound.
If you don't like the other team hitting home runs, STOP GIVING UP HOMERUNS!
Mad cause he’s “breaking one of the unwritten rules”
You're absolutely correct, like Tom Hanks said there's no crying in baseball!
Yankees batters were in the middle of a cold front on offense. Manager should allow them to open up and break the funk. Sorry if it hurt the announcer's feelings.
People are starting to whisper that if teams keep using position players to pitch in blowouts, that a mercy rule should be instituted. Will never happen. Wanna know why? Gambling.
This team is legendary!⚾
At least the fans know the difference between AAA and the bigs.
This type of thing has happened in baseball and in most sports since their inception.
No it doesn't and position players pitching used to be a lot rarer. As far other sports I'll use the nfl as an example. Teams very rarely pull starters in a blow out in the nfl. This would be the equivalent of letting the punter be a qb for the fourth quarter when your losing by a lot.
I bet he wouldn’t complain if it was the Pirates leading 14-0
He might if the Pirates put in a position player. Since that what he is complaining about.
Why would a team burn a bullpen arm when they're down 14 runs? Would you prefer a mercy rule? Wouldn't sell too many commercials that way.
I can't quite understand what they are going on about. At first I thought they were mad because Stanton swung for the fences against a position player, but then at the end it seems more like they are mad at the Pirates and MLB for allowing position players to pitch
Yeah they were talking about the position players
@@jimjordan29 call me crazy but what is position player?
@@NYinSD It just means a guy pitching that isn't a pitcher. Like a left fielder or what have you
they are embarrassed to be affiliated with the current state of baseball
@@tvl2868 Can't really blame them either. The dumb rule changes, the analytics, especially when baseball is still won the way it's been for over 100 years
Only time ill feel bad for a position player pitching is when they get a linedrive off the dome
I thought that was just reg Pirate pitching...
yeah, I agree with the announcer 😒😒💯
I agree, Pirates are ridiculous. If you insert a position player to pitch, the hitters have every right to crush the ball and score a lot of runs.
If the Pirates don't want to see this happen in a 10-0 game, put in a real pitcher, a legit pitcher and get 3 outs.
This announcer is a whiner and a big baby and if he had any spine, he would criticize the Pirates and walk into the clubhouse and tell the team they are embarrassing the game with this moves.
His tone changed real quick didn’t it lol
He’s right, just stop taking your pitchers out, so such things as running out of pitchers
Quit doing what ?? Lmao how about the pirates quit throwing pitches that could be hit into outer space
quit using position players to pitch. he literally says that in the video...
Thats exactly what he would like them to quit doing. "they have to stop doing this" is in reference to it being the fourth time this season the Pirates have sent out a position player to pitch. its embarrassing.
Lol. Why are so many people complaining about the runs. This happens in all sports. Last NBA season the OKC Thunder lost a game by 70. It’s gonna be ok Baseball purists
They arent complaining about the runs. They are complaining about position players pitching.
@@StillProtesting I understand but if they didn’t go up by like 8 they wouldn’t have put in position players. An outfielder pitching only happens when a team is being blown out. Not like the catcher was the starting pitcher for the game.
@@SquashMelendez They just want teams to not be able or have a reason to use position players as pitchers, man. The public pays a premium price to watch these games and when we go to a game and see 8-0 we automatically assume we should leave because the team that is losing will most likely throw in a position player to pitch.
And why is it that these position players can chuck the ball really hard in the field but when they get on the mount it's slow pitch softball? It is ridiculous.
By the time the position player came in and those home runs were, hit they were already down by 10....it was the 9th inning...what difference does it make at that point.....all the pirate fans left by then anyway!!
Geez they should just implement a mercy rule if people are going to be like this… (for maximum effect the manager has to wave a white flag).
like if you give up on the game, don’t complain if the other team still competes.
Seeing the manager wave a white flag is hilarious. That or throw an obnoxiously big towel out on the field lol
I absolutely love this lol
He should comment on the pirates bullpen not the Yankees
I think that's what he was saying...that this was the fourth time they did this in half a season so far.
It's getting ridiculous, Yankees are the favorite to win every game this season, it's not fair for small market team's.
This isn't on the Yankees in that situation you're told to swing for the fences if you fly out you fly out.
If you put in a position player your basically giving up, if im the batter im taking advantage of that and boosting my stats