What about a home server running multiple VMs like FreeNas Linux and maybe HoloISO for emulation I've always wandered how a SFF server would work hidden behind a TV or router
Yeah but its cool to see and honestly im excited about this type of computer because im so tired of having components fight each other not being compatible and what not. This is the future of desktop pcs for sure lol maybe not completely but def majority. Ive been building a pi4 emu station and that alone is crazy to have so much punch in such a small form factor let alone something as insane is this! 😮
Did I miss the price on this? I know industrial PCs typically aren't cheap. But it shows what a mini PC using this chip could do if priced for consumers.
I'm suddenly reminded of 2000's era micro ITX boards and people shoving computers complete with cdrw or DVD drives into ye olden Nintendo cases. This thing with an EGPU shoved in a sega tower of power, or a saturn.
Am I blind, or is the model number not listed in the title or description? If I can't look up the current price, then all the info in a review is kind of irrelevant.
It would be nice if ASRock sold the board on its own. Asking $700 from Newegg with tax is not something I can order for projects on a whim so my 4800U is just going to have to keep hanging in there. I really want to try an eGPU setup.
Don't forget to consider the Framework motherboards. They have a 14 core 20 thread i7-1280p on offer with 4.8GHz @ 65w. They offer low-profile desktop cases that can be 3D printed and VESA mounted too.
In my honest opinion the nuc sized mobos should replace the mini-itx boards as the smallest DIY platform standard. Look how much place it still has, it can easily have room for a full sized pcie- port as well in form of a gold finger if not as a slot. 100% it can even support a socketed cpu being this size as well. At least this is what I think having used itx board since around 2011 and seen nuc boards in person.
Intel and motherboard manufacturers have been really lazy for the last decade in terms of hardware efficiency. It takes Apple starting making insanely good ARM SoC for them to innovate and catch up. Before Mac Studio every goddamn Windows PC has to look like a freaking Panzer 🙄
no, it can't ,,..... yet ! mini itx not just small but fully upgradeable, use the same size of hardware like other mother board which make it easy to build, upgrade ,more value than nuc !
OMG I would love to have the technical prowess to use this as the new guts of my 'Sunflower' iMac and bring it back to life. Such a beautiful design of a case/screen.
I've bought a couple of $35 Xeon E5 2650 v4 which draw ~105 watts per CPU. While this alder lake CPU you show only draws about 40 watts for the same core count and performance.
I was wondering how well just adding more heat pipes would help. I could hypothetically replace the vrm thermal pad with a right angle heatpipe and fix a few more heatpipes on top to better transfer heat from the baffles to the fan body. It could also be interesting to extend the baffles out past the I/O either with a copper plate and mini finned heatsinks or with gently bent heatpipes a little.
I like your setup there, although I'd love to replace that fan with a sufficiently large heatsink, making it a SFF Silent Desktop. At NewEgg, it comes in a case.
I wonder how much this cost? The website doesn't say (have to inquire) and most of the "where to buy" sites are broken right now. The ones that do load don't even list the products.
Seeing as it's a site aimed at businesses, retailers in that space often consider their price lists to be proprietary information and probably ask it not be disclosed.
@@blingVolcano fair enough, I'm going to wait till the 6800U is widely available and pick up the best unit with that APU anyways. RDNA 2 is killing Intel's integrated graphics this gen. It's amazing how far X86 processors have come in the last few years as far as capability and power efficiency!
thanks great video, its nice to see next gen intel nucs still coming. Would be great if you can touch on with energy consumption (idle, max) numbers in your next video, everyone is desperate to save electricity due to world situation.
That single board computer would be GREAT for a home made router. Especially because it has two ethernet ports. so you can have one from ISP and then the out to a switch.... and then have a wireless access point attached to the switch along with all your other devices.... EDIT: my biggest gripe with "gamer" grade routers, its not for power users. its great for a single user, but multiple gamers and power users they fall short and you get not only packet failure (rarely) but you get insane buffer bloat and ping issues. while with a custom router with faster cpu's, you can bypass all those issues retaining low ping while downloading thanks to proper packet sorting via faster cpu's. im actually appalled at how bad gaming routers are.
@@keyboard_g but is the cpu powerful enough? because most "gaming" routers now cant handle more than 1 user in any realistic sense. and their cpu's are only akin to 2012 cellphones. the whole point of going with a faster processor is to make sure you can have multiple power users with 0 issues.
Well, the Board you tested is under the NUC section on their website, not the SBC section. So AsRock got it right. Or they fixed it on their website, after watching your video!
On the i7-1185G7 laptop, in Night Raid I got 18713 for graphics and a cursed 6666 for the CPU. My result is in the 3DMark database as nr/566264 (I did not put the complete link with the 3DMark website in front, as RUclips's artificial intelligence trained on natural stupidity deletes my comments). My laptop has DDR4-L 4800 128bit.
i don't think the reason its locked to 35 watts because of cooling. it probably does not have the power delivery hardware to support more either (things like VRMs)
I am sure it is the cooling. I have 4800u version, and the cooler cannot keep up at all. 90+ °c at 28 or 30W..... I DIY a custom cooler from an old 2 heappipes North Bridge cooler, drop to 60°c....
@@will3641 temperature will change depending on lots of factors, but they probably arent going to waste money and space by giving you a bunch of thermal headroom when there's no more the power to safely give
@@will3641 How did you go about getting the board on the industrial site? Im trying to figure out a price but dont have a company to make an inquiry for the product
it being singleboard doesn't mean it can't have replaceable ram and cpu ;-) it just means you don't need any daughterboards for it to run aka no gpu needed, no sata controller etc. etc.
When proving a link, provide it to the actual item being shown, not a generic lost to trawl through. Also give so me indication of price, especially here to get an idea requires an inquiry. These are undoubtedly nice but must come at a premium price to match. Whatever happened to that proposed $99 board that was recently reviewed?
Asrock is probably suffering from parts shortages just like every other electronics manufacturer in the world since 2020. It's reasonable to expect that they aren't mass producing these boards yet and you have to inquire on cost because it literally may fluctuate daily.
Could you please emulate model 2 and model 3 arcade emulators.. Would love to see Daytona 1 and 2, Sega Rally 1 and 2, house of the dead 1 and 2 arcade editions. Can't wait.. thanks
Many do not connect that industrial computers in these small form factors have been around since the 80386. They are now more mainstream because of the NUC ecosystem.
How does the performance compare when you just use the power cores or just the efficiency cores? I imagine the 4 P cores with hyperthreading still beat the 8 E cores. Also, how does the power consumption change? Maybe there is a use case for running this board with just E cores on battery, but there's probably much cheaper boards that would run at a lower TDP. Also, if you disable all the E cores can you use AVX-512 instructions on the P cores? That improves performance in RPCS3, which also doesn't work well with E cores anyway.
Are these available to regular consumers or just exclusive to industrial or company purchasers? I've tried to look at the websites who are supposedly selling, but they're not as straightforward i guess...
And the price? watched it all, no price mentioned? Kind of a pointless review if we don't know whether the thing is even economical to consider for XYZ when you don't give the price you paid.
The 2.5 Gigabit LAN is annoying, I would have bought some of these if they had 10 Gigabit. It could have been a perfect miniature FreeNAS or OpenMediaVault box.
@ETA Prime I followed your older Mattel Intellivision Intv Retroarch core / LaunchBox tutorial, but my Intellivision games aren't loading full screen. Is there a command line I can add to LaunchBox to get them to load full screen?
could you remote into a full size desktop with this so the desktop Is the one actually running the software and this only needs to display the images so you would hypothetically get better performance?
Need help. I have two minis forum pcs. Both of them act very similar in the way they boot. I just bought a B550 because I thought the old machine was dead and this one does the same thing. After the minis forum logo shows up the screen goes black. You usually have to boot them several times just get to the recovery screen. Even after windows does boot they randomly go to a black screen and have to reboot them again. I've updated drivers, windows and changed hdmi connects and taken the plug out of the shared power strip and plugged in directly to the wall. These are too expensive to have these kind of problems. Any insite would be helpful
Got an Awesome little project on the way using this board, when it’s done what do you want to see running on it?
Devil May Cry 4!
yuzu emulation crash team racing nitro-fueled and luigis mansion 3
Anything other than racing games
fallout 4 please
What about a home server running multiple VMs like FreeNas Linux and maybe HoloISO for emulation I've always wandered how a SFF server would work hidden behind a TV or router
Wow....does anyone else feel the pain of this being more powerful than ur main rig😢
The future is NUCs.
Yeah but its cool to see and honestly im excited about this type of computer because im so tired of having components fight each other not being compatible and what not. This is the future of desktop pcs for sure lol maybe not completely but def majority. Ive been building a pi4 emu station and that alone is crazy to have so much punch in such a small form factor let alone something as insane is this! 😮
Did I miss the price on this?
I know industrial PCs typically aren't cheap. But it shows what a mini PC using this chip could do if priced for consumers.
Ever found out the cost of this?
They're about $650 from Newegg. No ram or ssd included by the looks of it.
@@bobs.9375 That's a good bit of change. Something to think about.
Thanks for letting us know. This board does have lots of potential with the TB4 connectivity.
i7… Wow. Technology has improved a lot for these smaller X86 modules.
🤣
It never stopped. :)
I'm suddenly reminded of 2000's era micro ITX boards and people shoving computers complete with cdrw or DVD drives into ye olden Nintendo cases. This thing with an EGPU shoved in a sega tower of power, or a saturn.
Am I blind, or is the model number not listed in the title or description? If I can't look up the current price, then all the info in a review is kind of irrelevant.
NUC BOX-1260P-1U
Blind
Cost, should be in the first paragraph of the intro please.
It would be nice if ASRock sold the board on its own. Asking $700 from Newegg with tax is not something I can order for projects on a whim so my 4800U is just going to have to keep hanging in there. I really want to try an eGPU setup.
Don't forget to consider the Framework motherboards.
They have a 14 core 20 thread i7-1280p on offer with 4.8GHz @ 65w.
They offer low-profile desktop cases that can be 3D printed and VESA mounted too.
Tried googling it, but for some reason kept getting laptops rather than barebone motherboards 😕
In my honest opinion the nuc sized mobos should replace the mini-itx boards as the smallest DIY platform standard. Look how much place it still has, it can easily have room for a full sized pcie- port as well in form of a gold finger if not as a slot. 100% it can even support a socketed cpu being this size as well. At least this is what I think having used itx board since around 2011 and seen nuc boards in person.
Intel and motherboard manufacturers have been really lazy for the last decade in terms of hardware efficiency. It takes Apple starting making insanely good ARM SoC for them to innovate and catch up. Before Mac Studio every goddamn Windows PC has to look like a freaking Panzer 🙄
no, it can't ,,..... yet ! mini itx not just small but fully upgradeable, use the same size of hardware like other mother board which make it easy to build, upgrade ,more value than nuc !
OMG I would love to have the technical prowess to use this as the new guts of my 'Sunflower' iMac and bring it back to life. Such a beautiful design of a case/screen.
Not mentioned in the video, but the model number is a NUC-1260P $650.
Is it possible for you to test samples of codecs such as EVC, VVC and AV1 in your reviews?🤔
Please do 🥺
Or just try 7 zip benchmark.
Would love to see this!
The beautiful thing about this chip is what competition does for the PC market.
Hey ETA, I just bought the ThinkBook 13S Gen 4! AMD VERSION OBVIOUSLY! It’s coming Wednesday!
In the US I presume? I see nothing in EU/UK
@@arditm2178 is here for both
I've bought a couple of $35 Xeon E5 2650 v4 which draw ~105 watts per CPU.
While this alder lake CPU you show only draws about 40 watts for the same core count and performance.
I'm not sure why...I'm so happy that sbc has so much...take your eta prime you made my day
I was wondering how well just adding more heat pipes would help. I could hypothetically replace the vrm thermal pad with a right angle heatpipe and fix a few more heatpipes on top to better transfer heat from the baffles to the fan body. It could also be interesting to extend the baffles out past the I/O either with a copper plate and mini finned heatsinks or with gently bent heatpipes a little.
More heatpipe may not help much if the radiator capacity not increased
I like your setup there, although I'd love to replace that fan with a sufficiently large heatsink, making it a SFF Silent Desktop. At NewEgg, it comes in a case.
If there was a way to get a slightly better LFF cooler on this i’d love a little cluster of them
I wonder how much this cost? The website doesn't say (have to inquire) and most of the "where to buy" sites are broken right now. The ones that do load don't even list the products.
Pricy, you will be shocked
If they don't list the price they don't get my money. What a stupid strategy. I'm not filling out a form to get the price of a product!
Seeing as it's a site aimed at businesses, retailers in that space often consider their price lists to be proprietary information and probably ask it not be disclosed.
@@Ben-ry1py brand new board, parts shortages, not being mass produced as of yet, they don't have a firm MSRP.
@@blingVolcano fair enough, I'm going to wait till the 6800U is widely available and pick up the best unit with that APU anyways. RDNA 2 is killing Intel's integrated graphics this gen. It's amazing how far X86 processors have come in the last few years as far as capability and power efficiency!
thanks great video, its nice to see next gen intel nucs still coming. Would be great if you can touch on with energy consumption (idle, max) numbers in your next video, everyone is desperate to save electricity due to world situation.
Very interested to see Batocera running on that.
Me too.
That single board computer would be GREAT for a home made router. Especially because it has two ethernet ports. so you can have one from ISP and then the out to a switch.... and then have a wireless access point attached to the switch along with all your other devices.... EDIT: my biggest gripe with "gamer" grade routers, its not for power users. its great for a single user, but multiple gamers and power users they fall short and you get not only packet failure (rarely) but you get insane buffer bloat and ping issues. while with a custom router with faster cpu's, you can bypass all those issues retaining low ping while downloading thanks to proper packet sorting via faster cpu's. im actually appalled at how bad gaming routers are.
This is completely over powered to be a router. There are cheaper, passively cooled boxes the same size with multiple 2.5Gbps ports.
A router you can game on...
@@keyboard_g but is the cpu powerful enough? because most "gaming" routers now cant handle more than 1 user in any realistic sense. and their cpu's are only akin to 2012 cellphones. the whole point of going with a faster processor is to make sure you can have multiple power users with 0 issues.
Well, the Board you tested is under the NUC section on their website, not the SBC section. So AsRock got it right. Or they fixed it on their website, after watching your video!
I would prefer the Ryzen 6000 Variants (if exist)
Great! That's what I've been looking for!
I remember when 30fps was the norm - I doubt most people can tell the difference.
I'd love to know the cost of this please! Thanks for the video.
On the i7-1185G7 laptop, in Night Raid I got 18713 for graphics and a cursed 6666 for the CPU. My result is in the 3DMark database as nr/566264 (I did not put the complete link with the 3DMark website in front, as RUclips's artificial intelligence trained on natural stupidity deletes my comments). My laptop has DDR4-L 4800 128bit.
Man your the best. Thank You for all that you do
i don't think the reason its locked to 35 watts because of cooling. it probably does not have the power delivery hardware to support more either (things like VRMs)
I am sure it is the cooling. I have 4800u version, and the cooler cannot keep up at all. 90+ °c at 28 or 30W.....
I DIY a custom cooler from an old 2 heappipes North Bridge cooler, drop to 60°c....
@@will3641 temperature will change depending on lots of factors, but they probably arent going to waste money and space by giving you a bunch of thermal headroom when there's no more the power to safely give
@@will3641 How did you go about getting the board on the industrial site? Im trying to figure out a price but dont have a company to make an inquiry for the product
Maybe a better cooler will help with the clocks? Definitely a suggestion for your next video.
Off topic, but this 4:23 triggered my anxiety so bad when you lost all your skill chain score.
duuude, that boss from gow must be really hard to beat. it's been lots of computers and you haven't beat it yet lol
I think Elden Ring is going to be one of your best test games. I'd like to see that running with the GPU connected.
😆
ETA Prime,
Your awesome 👏
Nobody does it like you.
the 6800u is the only apu I'd buy in 2022
Great video
I ll follow you from now on
Could you try Unreal Engine 5 with the external GPU
This thing would rock on Plex transcoding
Very Informative video...What are you using for your eGPU enclosure?...
it being singleboard doesn't mean it can't have replaceable ram and cpu ;-) it just means you don't need any daughterboards for it to run aka no gpu needed, no sata controller etc. etc.
What the hell, this board is insane lol.
PRICE should be the first thing you mention.
Damn this thing is faster than my old 7700k vacation pc...
I wish you had included model number and price.
it's the NUC-1260P but in the webpage that he shows you have to ask for information, there are not prices listed :/
ASRock NUC-1260P is $650 on NewEgg, albeit in a box.
When proving a link, provide it to the actual item being shown, not a generic lost to trawl through. Also give so me indication of price, especially here to get an idea requires an inquiry.
These are undoubtedly nice but must come at a premium price to match.
Whatever happened to that proposed $99 board that was recently reviewed?
Asrock is probably suffering from parts shortages just like every other electronics manufacturer in the world since 2020. It's reasonable to expect that they aren't mass producing these boards yet and you have to inquire on cost because it literally may fluctuate daily.
he gets sent product.
Very very interesting. A mobile workstation with surprising modularity. This has promise.
At this point SBC might as well sit on the side of a GPU and that's it 😂 the size they are able to shrink motherboard down now are ridiculous 😭
CPU would definitely pass as a desktop.
Nice content!
I mean we do come for information. That's why we love your videos . But you never say how much. Why ?
Keep it up!
why you don't mention prices at all in reviews? its not same if this costs $200 or $2000
Could you please emulate model 2 and model 3 arcade emulators..
Would love to see Daytona 1 and 2, Sega Rally 1 and 2, house of the dead 1 and 2 arcade editions.
Can't wait.. thanks
Many do not connect that industrial computers in these small form factors have been around since the 80386. They are now more mainstream because of the NUC ecosystem.
Yha if we could get these kind of boards with USB 4 and AMD such as 6800U / 6800H that would be amazing.
Have you tried turning off E-cores to see if it does much of a difference on P-cores and IGPU clocks?
Will help
On desktop version that 8 e core take about 30watt under load
So it may probably release some power budget if disable them
07:40 yeah the Thunderbolt eGPU still runs at 22 Gbps anyway, not 32 Gbps or even 40 Gbps
Price is also a big factor people.
How does the performance compare when you just use the power cores or just the efficiency cores? I imagine the 4 P cores with hyperthreading still beat the 8 E cores.
Also, how does the power consumption change? Maybe there is a use case for running this board with just E cores on battery, but there's probably much cheaper boards that would run at a lower TDP.
Also, if you disable all the E cores can you use AVX-512 instructions on the P cores? That improves performance in RPCS3, which also doesn't work well with E cores anyway.
RPCS3 doesn't even use AVX512
Are these available to regular consumers or just exclusive to industrial or company purchasers? I've tried to look at the websites who are supposedly selling, but they're not as straightforward i guess...
You could make a portable pc with an sfx power supply and a 3060ti or something probably smaller than an Xbox series X. Would be great on the go.
this is not impressive after watching your video of the ryzen 5800U variant. It performed better in games and used only 8 watt ....its not even close.
And the price?
watched it all, no price mentioned?
Kind of a pointless review if we don't know whether the thing is even economical to consider for XYZ when you don't give the price you paid.
How much did you pay for it ?
What's under the fan acceptably? Maybe with stock desktop cooler sitting on top you can get lower temps for the same power consumption.
9:00 would love to see steamos on that thing
I wanna guy an old G4 iMac and put one of these puppies inside!
Will you do a comparison with the E cores shut off in Bios so the P cores get maximum power?
I’d like to see Saturn emulation in this board
Amazing video!
Honestly that thing is so small I bet you could just figure out a way to shoe horn it into that External GPU dock.
Is the cooling system standard or propietary?
Now I want one.
More please!
Only interested in a RDNA2 version... 6800U perhaps. Then Forza can run even at 1080p.
If I can buy this I'm happy already even with integraded
The 2.5 Gigabit LAN is annoying, I would have bought some of these if they had 10 Gigabit. It could have been a perfect miniature FreeNAS or OpenMediaVault box.
@ETA Prime I followed your older Mattel Intellivision Intv Retroarch core / LaunchBox tutorial, but my Intellivision games aren't loading full screen. Is there a command line I can add to LaunchBox to get them to load full screen?
technically, it's not a SBC when you add ram sticks. technically.. :P
Great!
Now try "steam os" vs windows using 5700g overclocked and new amd driver update...
Can you please start testing FSR on the Intel boards?
could you remote into a full size desktop with this so the desktop Is the one actually running the software and this only needs to display the images so you would hypothetically get better performance?
The true x86 industrial SBCs are the PC/104 ones
From all the prices I'd seen, this runs around $600-$800 US, is that right?
Would be nice if there are .STL to print your own case for the board hehe
Where on earth i can buy this tiny emulation beast?
You can literally store that thing inside the Ext.Gpu and call it a normal PC.
Does the 1260p cpu bottleneck the GPU badly? Would the Iris graphics run WOW well?
m,e thinking... SBC Gaming Rig . gtx 3060 12gb itx version and SFX psu, custom enclosure,.. just gonna be as big as a thick art book
What are some of the stores that sell these bare bone board? It doesn't seems easy to find where to buy for me in Canada.
Might make an awesome plex server. I wonder how well the gpu does teanscoding 4k
Just in time and to think I was going to repurpose a 3200G to replace a garbage sheild console that is failing. I'll see what is available.
But where can I buy one? Are they out yet? Do I need a special supplier? What would be the price?
What kind of dual NIC ports on this one? You didn't list it in the video...
You can't disable all of the P-cores, at least 1 always has to be enabled from the bios.
Why would someone disable the performance cores if he wants performance?
Need help. I have two minis forum pcs. Both of them act very similar in the way they boot. I just bought a B550 because I thought the old machine was dead and this one does the same thing. After the minis forum logo shows up the screen goes black. You usually have to boot them several times just get to the recovery screen. Even after windows does boot they randomly go to a black screen and have to reboot them again. I've updated drivers, windows and changed hdmi connects and taken the plug out of the shared power strip and plugged in directly to the wall. These are too expensive to have these kind of problems. Any insite would be helpful
Reseat the RAM perhaps, or if you can, try a better power supply unit
Where do you get yours. These things seem to not be anywhere.. At least just the motherboard variant.
he says we've tested, it's just him