I can just never get over how incredible current gen CPU and GPU tech is. 2003 was really not that long ago (twenty years sure but I went from being a kid to a young man in that time and it feels like just yesterday) and the idea of having a board the size of a two pop tarts side by side that can run ANYTHING at good framerates let alone some of the most demanding current titles at 1080p was just absurd back then. You expected you would have games with amazing graphics, sure, but you didn't expect it to be possible using so little power and in so small of a package. We truly live in an age of wonder.
If you think about it though this is really just a gaming laptop without the screen and battery. Makes sense that they could make it this size without it needing to fit a laptop case with keyboard etc. Maybe not in 2003 but I could imagine this in 2010 - but there probably wasn't much of a market for this sort of device then.
@@ThereminHero No, it's not. This is less than half the size of the average laptop board, even today. Regardless of 'fitting a screen and keyboard on it - the I/O is still present, and the board size gives them much more real-estate to spread out chips and components.
If these were $200-300 barebones boards, I'd love to see a DIY handheld built around it. Especially if some work was done to support the SBC with the Steam Deck OS 🙏
This is the proof that 7840U is one heck of a good design from AMD, they are used everywhere, sold in a lot of forms like this 4x4 box, then the SBcard, in the Rog Ally as the Z1 Extreme ( trust me it's easy to disable the AI circuits than make a new SoC), sold it laptops, etc...
That success is part of the problem. The 7840u is in such high demand that a lot of 7840u products are being delayed due to AMD not having enough 7840u's in stock to meet the demand.
@@robertkeaney9905 minisforum shipped me a unit that doesn't work - it isn't stable for more than 8 hours. Every BIOS has update has worsened the problem. There is no possible way ETA PRIME didn't experience this.
that starfield performance is pretty good .. looks playable to me, depends on whether you feel microstutters or general slugishness when you are aiming
Would be nice to see some beefy cooler on this APU and see what would be max performance without throttling. Also... passive cooler? Imagine Noctua NHD-15 without fan, just passive tower... I'd love to see that on this board.
Yeah, I was thinking about the exact same thing. If there was just a way to install a quiet Noctua Cooler - This would be the perfect machine. There must be a way
@@pawelgrund4540 Even unofficially, all you need is to press any descent cooler against CPU, so most likely there are no brackets included, but you can always make new ones (must find some cheap metal shop to fabricate them). Also would need new case, like 3d print something, again with a shop to fabricate. I'm thinking for such build for my father, it will definitely cover all his needs, and will be descent quiet machine for many years (without a need of any service). Thanks ETA PRIME for all your reviews!
@@artbluestack5250 I believe it's not even that hard to built a case even without a printer. There are lots of videos on youtube showing costum builds with wood or plexiglass or other materials. Would be definitely cool to build such a machine.
This would be really interesting for me...i make music so Fan Noise is even more important than max power/cpu speed...is it possible to put an nuctua fan on one of these sbc's?
Dude pulled out a tupperware container filled with SODIMM RAM and NVME form factor drives! Always check your volatile RAM for spoilage and salmonella outbreaks!!! lol. Love the content!
I'm only young but I still never thought I'd be able to live to see the day that's such a small PC could run a game like cyberpunk at 89 FPS I almost cried
FYI the new Anti-lag+ feature is causing people to get VAC banned in Counter-Strike 2. I wouldn't use it in any game that uses an anti-cheat or you risk a ban.
Love the device and the strides these companies make with APUs and Mini PCs But I will always hate the price on these things. I know why they cost this much, but as much as I want one and have a big use case for them, I cant justify the price being at 5-600. The day these drop to about 2-300 ill snatch up about 3 of them
Thanks for your video. Great as always. I wonder what kind of Gekkbench 6 cpu and gpu results can we get? If you have them you can just reply here. Thanks
Did you get this directly from Asrock? How could a normal person get their hands on one of these? Can't seem to find these on eBay and the only company that has it for sale in the UK won't sell for personal use only to businesses. Does anyone know how much the barebones sbc costs?
*@ETA PRIME* If you have a RTX dual fan GPU. Like a 4070 TI Super. It'd be nice to see a tiny build (like the single fan 4060 tiny builds you've done). Whether it be in a super small sff case or a mini workstation style case. Backpack size 4070 build
if the 8000 series of amd igpu's will be as great as they say i can't wait for the 4x4 using a 8000 series cpu altho, 1 thing i really want to try, is get one of those M.2 to PCIe slot thingys and put like a Low profile 4060 on there, see how good it goes if it went well, i think that would be a real breakthrough point for the Cyberdeck community
Hey, great review. Would you spare some time, to test these mini pc's and SBC's with Linux OS (example: ubuntu, pop os etc) for development work flow. Thank you.
so at 70 watt this is basically desktop level performance (lots of desktop chips start at 65 watts). Something like this would be amazing to put SteamOS on it and attach to the back of a TV or bigger monitor and just rock.
Thanks for the demo. Early in the video you mentioned that it could run on either 19 or 12 volts, that is very useful. Do you happen to know if the versions in the case can also run on 12 volt?
Games are running great especially when you look at the amount of vram being used (350-400mb) but a dedicated GPU uses 4gb or more lol I understand that it uses the system memory but why does it show a low vram amount at all when it's system memory where all the textures and stuff is stored..
Have you tried the 6400mt/s SO-DIMMs? KIngston does sell them, iirc. Would be interesting to see how performance would scale with faster RAM speeds, going from 4800->5600->6400.
I know it would not be officially supported but it would be interesting to see the Steam Deck Recovery can put Steam OS on it. This is why I hope Valve will hurry up and release Steam OS 2.0 as this would make a great device in the family room. I hope enough people buy this to drive the price to $500 as that would be the sweet spot.
Could you test Street Fighter 6? I'm still looking for a portable Street Fighter machine that can run it has 1080p on high. Linux testing would also be great as always.
So the data sheet say's you can have two storage solutions on this board. One is M.2 the other is sata. Would it be possible to use the sata port for the ssd and use the m.2 for an Oculink adapter and use it with an egpu? The seems like it would be a cool little project to test out and make small all in one mini gaming pc for the DIY crowd.
I wonder if CRTemudriver / groovymame runs at 15khz on this. If so, instant buy, because it would also handle every PC fighting game alongside mame in a cab.
"SBC". Riiiight, its just a NUC motherboard. That said I am building a Switch style DIY steam Deck by modifying the NUCDeck project. Sooo, this might be perfect if it didn't cost more than an entire Steam deck.
Don't wanna be mean but, your video demonstration isn't running in HDR. It says under color "by.709" which is the standard color range, HDR should be dci-p3 or bt.2020.
Something I'd really like to start seeing for performance metrics on these SBCs as they become more powerful. Run a 7b LLama/Mistrel LLM with text-generation-webui and show performance of it asking a question that has a decently long answer. Man I wish I could poke that board :D
Would you say this offers about 85% of the performance of the Xbox Series-S ? I'm impressed with this as it is, and am surprised Valve hasn't taken one of these, stick it in a box and call it the "SteamBox" and sell it for $399 for a Base 16GB/256GB version and up to $799 for a 32GB/2TB version. Maybe try one of the versions of SteamOS on this to see how that goes?
Valve has been adding a lot of desktop/docked features to SteamOS so it might be possible they want to make a "Steam Box" but I personally think that because the Steam Deck has been selling so well that effort will most likely go into their next handheld system that will probably be based on this chipset AMD 7840u in a year or two when it's more affordable for Valve. using the Steam Deck with the dock feels like a very console like experience (with all the updates they've added since launch).
The 780m is about an equivalent of a 1060 3gb. An Xbox series x is about a 2080 in performance. One x is about 1070 in performance, so if I had to guess series s would 2060ish in performance.
Does this have NVMe to support an external GPU? I've been thinking about stripping down a single fan GPU, connecting it to an SBC, adding an AIO cooler to the GPU chip and a fan over the SBC, and building a makeshift case around that - that way you could theoretically have upgradeability in a very small and efficient package. I'd be happy if I could see you explore the idea before I make the jump to get parts.
Not sure why everybody is hesitant to call a small PC an "SBC" just because you have to add RAM. The name "Single Board Computer" comes from ISA card PCs where the CPU and everything else was on an ISA card that slotted into a passive backplane, even they had socketed RAM. Raspberry Pi did coin the phrase.
This looks like the perfect thing to chuck in an old Shuttle SK41G case with a screwy form factor. (X2 6400+ and a 9600pro currently) - pretty sure the caps are due to die imminently.
a10-7800 would be a joke.. cpu side, 2~4x the cores [depending on how you count bulldozer's shared frontend/fpu between 2 integer cores setup] IPC gains like crazy+clockspeed+actual dual-threading on each core for zen4 vs 2 cores sharing a single frontend/fpu, not to mention the nodesizing differences, igpu side, rdna3 vs vliw4~gcn1/2, and the nodesizing differences.. 3200g, 2x the cores, ipc gains[though not as drastic as vs bulldozer/variants].. gpu side, rdna3 vs gcn3~4
@@niteriderevo9179 its not the point to show that zen 4 is better than bulldozer. what i would find interesting is how much more performance these low power zen4 apus have in comparison to a full 65 watt desktop a10 7800. maybe i am weird, but i would find that very interesting.
@@DanielRumbacher some extremely rough calculating.. the zen4 apu to match the a10 would be only pulling about 5~15w tdp at most.. my steamdeck [custom zen2/rdna2 apu] matches the heck out an a8-5k build with an rx570 gpu at about 8~10% the total wattage of the a8 build
Is the steam deck still a good buy for price to performance ratio? Or more specifically vs this form factor, could you beat a steam deck in performance for the same price docked stationary on a TV? My steam deck hasn't left the dock in months and really this form factor has more appeal to me if it matches the price but beats the performance (no battery, controller, or screen to factor into cost) sounds possible but this market used to be sooo expensive back in the day
Can you kindly get a power bank like of 10,000 mah capacity and use that to power these, and see how long they last, I feel like arm and x86 sbc with portable power would be amazing but there are no videos where such comparisons are made.
Please start putting the model number of the item you are reviewing in the video description, because sometimes (like with this item) it's impossible to find the thing. There's like a million AMD SBC exists.
I have a question, i bought minisforum UM790 pro, i have red that ps5 pro , now has rdna3 graphics, so, why cant we play the same games like ps5? Thank you!
I can just never get over how incredible current gen CPU and GPU tech is.
2003 was really not that long ago (twenty years sure but I went from being a kid to a young man in that time and it feels like just yesterday) and the idea of having a board the size of a two pop tarts side by side that can run ANYTHING at good framerates let alone some of the most demanding current titles at 1080p was just absurd back then. You expected you would have games with amazing graphics, sure, but you didn't expect it to be possible using so little power and in so small of a package.
We truly live in an age of wonder.
The next 10 to 15 years are going to blow your mind if you thought this was amazing not that it isn't because this is pretty crazy.
Agreed brother! Just wish we had another cpu maker to drive innovation, kinda like the gpu space. Cytrix ftw! LoL
If you think about it though this is really just a gaming laptop without the screen and battery. Makes sense that they could make it this size without it needing to fit a laptop case with keyboard etc. Maybe not in 2003 but I could imagine this in 2010 - but there probably wasn't much of a market for this sort of device then.
Storage too. It's all so wild to see
@@ThereminHero No, it's not. This is less than half the size of the average laptop board, even today. Regardless of 'fitting a screen and keyboard on it - the I/O is still present, and the board size gives them much more real-estate to spread out chips and components.
If these were $200-300 barebones boards, I'd love to see a DIY handheld built around it. Especially if some work was done to support the SBC with the Steam Deck OS 🙏
Seeing this makes me SO excited for their next desktop APU. Hopefully we see it soon.
Same here. But, if I correctly remember, only at the end of 2024 :(
@@rael_gc really? Do you have a source?
This tiny pc can play Star Wars Battlefront 2 in 1080p ultra 50fps. I know it, i have a rog ally. If this pc cost 400, its definately worth buying.
I'd love to see Chimera OS running on this and a big honkin' passive cooler. It could be a silent steambox for the living room.
This is the proof that 7840U is one heck of a good design from AMD, they are used everywhere, sold in a lot of forms like this 4x4 box, then the SBcard, in the Rog Ally as the Z1 Extreme ( trust me it's easy to disable the AI circuits than make a new SoC), sold it laptops, etc...
ETA prime is a bad reviewer. There is no possible way he didn't pick up on the UM790PRO crashing.
That success is part of the problem.
The 7840u is in such high demand that a lot of 7840u products are being delayed due to AMD not having enough 7840u's in stock to meet the demand.
@@robertkeaney9905 minisforum shipped me a unit that doesn't work - it isn't stable for more than 8 hours. Every BIOS has update has worsened the problem. There is no possible way ETA PRIME didn't experience this.
Over priced with no upgrade path. Fine for laptops or specific use cases
@@togawearer2799 yeah the issues with the UM790PRO are indeed horrible. I wonder why no youtuber is covering this topic.
that starfield performance is pretty good .. looks playable to me, depends on whether you feel microstutters or general slugishness when you are aiming
Will be nice to check out the performance of this SBC with an occulink eGPU.
Would be nice to see some beefy cooler on this APU and see what would be max performance without throttling. Also... passive cooler? Imagine Noctua NHD-15 without fan, just passive tower... I'd love to see that on this board.
Next AMD "strix point" GEN but with a real silent 120mm Fan,
>>Alphacool Apex Stealth Metal
Yeah, I was thinking about the exact same thing. If there was just a way to install a quiet Noctua Cooler - This would be the perfect machine. There must be a way
@@pawelgrund4540 Even unofficially, all you need is to press any descent cooler against CPU, so most likely there are no brackets included, but you can always make new ones (must find some cheap metal shop to fabricate them). Also would need new case, like 3d print something, again with a shop to fabricate. I'm thinking for such build for my father, it will definitely cover all his needs, and will be descent quiet machine for many years (without a need of any service).
Thanks ETA PRIME for all your reviews!
@@artbluestack5250 I believe it's not even that hard to built a case even without a printer. There are lots of videos on youtube showing costum builds with wood or plexiglass or other materials. Would be definitely cool to build such a machine.
This would be really interesting for me...i make music so Fan Noise is even more important than max power/cpu speed...is it possible to put an nuctua fan on one of these sbc's?
The 8840u just released hope u get them in soon!
Dude pulled out a tupperware container filled with SODIMM RAM and NVME form factor drives! Always check your volatile RAM for spoilage and salmonella outbreaks!!! lol. Love the content!
ETAPrime has a cold!!! hope you feel better bro
I can't believe ETA prime is at 1.1million subs amazing
Id love to see this in a gamecube console shell
Great review! Thanks. Would be keen to see pricing for sure too.
I'm only young but I still never thought I'd be able to live to see the day that's such a small PC could run a game like cyberpunk at 89 FPS I almost cried
FYI the new Anti-lag+ feature is causing people to get VAC banned in Counter-Strike 2. I wouldn't use it in any game that uses an anti-cheat or you risk a ban.
This with a egpu as a travel/ small ff pc. Very solid performance.
Santa must really love this guy .. lots of toys to play with
Upping to 70W doesn't add too much, I would just go with the 45W boxed version, at least I could use my monitor to PD in.
Assuming that is where it would just bottle neck and need an external gpu
@@GrimReaper1675 Exactly, good point. I could PD from eGPU as well.
We've arrived at the moment we've been waiting for . . . zen4-rdna3 bliss.
Thx Prime.
Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
So this 4x4 comes with a 7840U chip? This is a failed 7840HU chip that didn't meet specifications, right?
Really good performance by this SBC ✌️
Love the device and the strides these companies make with APUs and Mini PCs
But I will always hate the price on these things. I know why they cost this much, but as much as I want one and have a big use case for them, I cant justify the price being at 5-600.
The day these drop to about 2-300 ill snatch up about 3 of them
Hi, Thanks for the video, this looks amazing and would be great for a gift. Any idea how i can get my hands on this?
Also any instructions on how you got the TDP up. would be great to see it with an EGPU
Thanks for your video. Great as always.
I wonder what kind of Gekkbench 6 cpu and gpu results can we get? If you have them you can just reply here. Thanks
Did you get this directly from Asrock?
How could a normal person get their hands on one of these? Can't seem to find these on eBay and the only company that has it for sale in the UK won't sell for personal use only to businesses.
Does anyone know how much the barebones sbc costs?
Nice video, thanks :)
Awesome single board computer. Love your videos so much. What software/tool do you use to show the fps / gpu and cpu temperature in overlay ?
So this one is not limited by 30W?
how did you get hands on a 4X4-7840U ??
If only you had a 3D printer! Would be fab to see what kind of airflow optimized 3D print cases could be designed for this.
great video! 😄
If i ever get my hands on one of these im finna make a whole 3d printed tiny pc with this.
This thing actually can use AFMF , huge boost for some games , very interesting for emulators
Those mini-PC's are getting quite fun nowadays
this looks awesome
*@ETA PRIME*
If you have a RTX dual fan GPU. Like a 4070 TI Super. It'd be nice to see a tiny build (like the single fan 4060 tiny builds you've done). Whether it be in a super small sff case or a mini workstation style case. Backpack size 4070 build
any insight on how much the 7840Us are gonna cost? I wonder if I can finally have an in-home non rpi cluster 🤔
if the 8000 series of amd igpu's will be as great as they say
i can't wait for the 4x4 using a 8000 series cpu
altho, 1 thing i really want to try, is get one of those M.2 to PCIe slot thingys
and put like a Low profile 4060 on there, see how good it goes
if it went well, i think that would be a real breakthrough point for the Cyberdeck community
Hey, great review. Would you spare some time, to test these mini pc's and SBC's with Linux OS (example: ubuntu, pop os etc) for development work flow. Thank you.
so at 70 watt this is basically desktop level performance (lots of desktop chips start at 65 watts).
Something like this would be amazing to put SteamOS on it and attach to the back of a TV or bigger monitor and just rock.
Does it support ECC memory?
If supported, it looks good as a mini server as well.
Thanks for the demo. Early in the video you mentioned that it could run on either 19 or 12 volts, that is very useful. Do you happen to know if the versions in the case can also run on 12 volt?
I've been watching your videos for a long time now just wondering where did you get that plant ?
Games are running great especially when you look at the amount of vram being used (350-400mb) but a dedicated GPU uses 4gb or more lol I understand that it uses the system memory but why does it show a low vram amount at all when it's system memory where all the textures and stuff is stored..
Yes please a test with chimeraos, and some 4k tests with fsr, in my dreams I replace my xbox with that. Thank you
Would you consider this to be a good candidate for media server such as Jellyfin?
Can you test the performance of this box with your eGPU? Great vid!
Cant wait until the
AMD Ryzen 8000G Series arrives on SBC
- AMD Ryzen AI
- AMD Radeon™ 780M
Have you tried the 6400mt/s SO-DIMMs? KIngston does sell them, iirc.
Would be interesting to see how performance would scale with faster RAM speeds, going from 4800->5600->6400.
5600 is max u can use
@@idimidodjimi6760 while it might not be on the QVL, it's worth a try considering ryzen 7000 SoCs are regularly paired with 6400mt/s soldered RAM.
I know it would not be officially supported but it would be interesting to see the Steam Deck Recovery can put Steam OS on it. This is why I hope Valve will hurry up and release Steam OS 2.0 as this would make a great device in the family room. I hope enough people buy this to drive the price to $500 as that would be the sweet spot.
Could you test Street Fighter 6? I'm still looking for a portable Street Fighter machine that can run it has 1080p on high. Linux testing would also be great as always.
So the data sheet say's you can have two storage solutions on this board. One is M.2 the other is sata. Would it be possible to use the sata port for the ssd and use the m.2 for an Oculink adapter and use it with an egpu? The seems like it would be a cool little project to test out and make small all in one mini gaming pc for the DIY crowd.
@@N_N23296 More of a fun idea more than anything else honestly. lol
@ETAPRIME, do you have the link for the plastic stand knobs? Would like some for a different SBC build
I wonder if CRTemudriver / groovymame runs at 15khz on this. If so, instant buy, because it would also handle every PC fighting game alongside mame in a cab.
Can it play 4K with 7.1 ATMOS over Plex (client software)? How about using it as Plex server (especially encoding) over some Linux distribution?
"SBC". Riiiight, its just a NUC motherboard. That said I am building a Switch style DIY steam Deck by modifying the NUCDeck project. Sooo, this might be perfect if it didn't cost more than an entire Steam deck.
I'd like to see Photoshop AI filters. They can take dual-digit minutes on even good machines. How would they do here?
Looks like a home run to me. What do you think the price point of this is going to be around?
File it firmly under the "never to be seen available in the public domain" price point.
Overpriced
@@Jimmys_TheBestCop do you know the price?
@@Dvlx1 You think it will be that expensive?
@@bbay1977 Nothing to do with price, its just another product that won't be available to purchase anywhere. Ever.
Imagine putting that in a snes classic like case while you run god of war. Wild.
As an aside, whats up with that starfield low? No textures at all is acceptable is it?
Depending on how happy you are with fps, you could increase the quality of you surpass 30, 60 or 90fps.
can you try running vr?
Don't wanna be mean but, your video demonstration isn't running in HDR. It says under color "by.709" which is the standard color range, HDR should be dci-p3 or bt.2020.
Hey ETA! How well will this and the other ASROCK 4x4 run Warframe? That and NFS Heat are all I'm interested in for now.
Something I'd really like to start seeing for performance metrics on these SBCs as they become more powerful. Run a 7b LLama/Mistrel LLM with text-generation-webui and show performance of it asking a question that has a decently long answer. Man I wish I could poke that board :D
Would love to see this with a HTPC OS or maybe an android TV OS
Would you say this offers about 85% of the performance of the Xbox Series-S ? I'm impressed with this as it is, and am surprised Valve hasn't taken one of these, stick it in a box and call it the "SteamBox" and sell it for $399 for a Base 16GB/256GB version and up to $799 for a 32GB/2TB version. Maybe try one of the versions of SteamOS on this to see how that goes?
Valve has been adding a lot of desktop/docked features to SteamOS so it might be possible they want to make a "Steam Box" but I personally think that because the Steam Deck has been selling so well that effort will most likely go into their next handheld system that will probably be based on this chipset AMD 7840u in a year or two when it's more affordable for Valve. using the Steam Deck with the dock feels like a very console like experience (with all the updates they've added since launch).
The 780m is about an equivalent of a 1060 3gb. An Xbox series x is about a 2080 in performance. One x is about 1070 in performance, so if I had to guess series s would 2060ish in performance.
I wish ETA would add Hogwarts Legacy and Cities Skylines (I & II) to his routine of tests, especially with the 7840 and upcoming Meteor Lake chips.
AMD's Anti-lag is getting players banned on counter-strike 2. They hope to have that fixed soon.
And it seems like you can't turn it off
I was just going to say please test these small form systems playing counter strike 2. Lol.
@@VictorContesBlackSon - Yes, you can turn it off. It is turned off by default.
It’s also on Anti lag + not just Anti lag. Only 7000 series is able to even turn on Anti lag +
Just on Anti-Lag+. Regular Anti-Lag doesn't cause issues.
Does this have NVMe to support an external GPU?
I've been thinking about stripping down a single fan GPU, connecting it to an SBC, adding an AIO cooler to the GPU chip and a fan over the SBC, and building a makeshift case around that - that way you could theoretically have upgradeability in a very small and efficient package. I'd be happy if I could see you explore the idea before I make the jump to get parts.
I wanna see Nobara's steam deck edition used in a video. I'm so curious and I don't really have the hardware to do it myself.
Not sure why everybody is hesitant to call a small PC an "SBC" just because you have to add RAM. The name "Single Board Computer" comes from ISA card PCs where the CPU and everything else was on an ISA card that slotted into a passive backplane, even they had socketed RAM. Raspberry Pi did coin the phrase.
It is just like a modern PC/104.Wished you could stack them, I guess it is possible but isn't modular in the same way
This looks like the perfect thing to chuck in an old Shuttle SK41G case with a screwy form factor. (X2 6400+ and a 9600pro currently) - pretty sure the caps are due to die imminently.
its ridiculous that this little thing has more power than my sisters full desktop.
More PS2 Benchmarks please, try to render 4k on everything. I love this apu, I need to buy it 😊
Nice video - you know we need batocera 38 running on this....
These boards looking interesing. Is there any fanless cooling for these boards out there?
This would be a great choice for NucDeck 😮
it would be really interesting to see how this runs compared to desktop apus like:
the amd a10 7800 (old bulldozer apu) or the ryzen 3200g.
The 780m beats Vega 8 soundly (7840u vs 5700g). You can find a lot of video's comparing 5700g to 3200g
a10-7800 would be a joke.. cpu side, 2~4x the cores [depending on how you count bulldozer's shared frontend/fpu between 2 integer cores setup] IPC gains like crazy+clockspeed+actual dual-threading on each core for zen4 vs 2 cores sharing a single frontend/fpu, not to mention the nodesizing differences, igpu side, rdna3 vs vliw4~gcn1/2, and the nodesizing differences.. 3200g, 2x the cores, ipc gains[though not as drastic as vs bulldozer/variants].. gpu side, rdna3 vs gcn3~4
@@niteriderevo9179 its not the point to show that zen 4 is better than bulldozer. what i would find interesting is how much more performance these low power zen4 apus have in comparison to a full 65 watt desktop a10 7800.
maybe i am weird, but i would find that very interesting.
@@DanielRumbacher some extremely rough calculating.. the zen4 apu to match the a10 would be only pulling about 5~15w tdp at most.. my steamdeck [custom zen2/rdna2 apu] matches the heck out an a8-5k build with an rx570 gpu at about 8~10% the total wattage of the a8 build
Is the steam deck still a good buy for price to performance ratio?
Or more specifically vs this form factor, could you beat a steam deck in performance for the same price docked stationary on a TV? My steam deck hasn't left the dock in months and really this form factor has more appeal to me if it matches the price but beats the performance (no battery, controller, or screen to factor into cost) sounds possible but this market used to be sooo expensive back in the day
These 4x4 need a x8 PCIe. Even an x8 SFF connector would make it way more useful
Is it possible to pair an external GPU with this? Would make a great Portable Productivity/Creativit Rig...
Can you kindly get a power bank like of 10,000 mah capacity and use that to power these, and see how long they last, I feel like arm and x86 sbc with portable power would be amazing but there are no videos where such comparisons are made.
nice little machine. can we see batocera on it, pls.?
Would an external gpu help with low frame/quality issues?
One of these generations you'll be able to run games maxed out.
I can’t find this one on eBay.
Any suggestions???
Closest I can find is a 7735 or 7535. 7840U SBC is exactly what I’ve been looking for.
Maybe I’ll just get a UM790 Pro then.
Please start putting the model number of the item you are reviewing in the video description, because sometimes (like with this item) it's impossible to find the thing. There's like a million AMD SBC exists.
SteamOS would be nice, Batocera would be cool to see, although it probably runs anything flawlessly that you throw at it.
I have a question, i bought minisforum UM790 pro, i have red that ps5 pro , now has rdna3 graphics, so, why cant we play the same games like ps5? Thank you!
Do you mind sharing what the PSU model you used?
I would like to see what you think of Bazzite. They have fixed a lot of things with version 1.3.0.
would really like to see chimeraOS on here and really curious as to how well it would run MGS4 i know that is a harder one to run for ps3 games
This is more or less a CPU slapped to a cooler. And that is cool xD
Can you give some energy measurements, please?
Looks great. Would be nice to see how the Steam Deck OS runs on this.
How do this go with the newer 24.X.X drivers now?
At this rate, a Steam Deck set top box is inevitable.