Angry Officer Refuses To Leave
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It's so funny you think cops can say fighting words and get in trouble like they are CIVIES... COP CUCKS ARE SO FUNNY
My final rights! I'm fixing to get BLM up in here to show all Y'all
You should rethink that B for Sims. He could've got that guy killed by his actions
Then what's the point if you own property and you have no say what's the point in following the law if you have no legal Authority on your own property what's the point in following any law
"...he failed to invoke his right to remain silent..." Quite possibly the understatement of the year on this one. 😂
First reply!!!!
Someone is going to try to talk about how i had time to say that welp i beat u to it bud
@@rockstargemini4678 i was first but mine got deleted. Nube
You know when your laws fail if they don't prevent events and you know that as a country you fail if idiots like Mr. Justice even have a remote right to address it's fighters, who have the legal obligation to see what happens and have all the rights to extinguish a fire if they find it to be necessary.
The aggressive vocal behaviour would in every other country in the world be the reason to arrest such person.
It's distracting from a pretty complicated job as extinguish fires, and since he clearly did not want to reason and deliberately obstructing any de-escalation trick, he should be kept responsible for waisting time of EMS.
Sure.... The regular nitwits here will argue amendments and court cases from 1949, but the reality is that the entire system of justice is failing in the US, for decades!!!!
Freedom of speech, freedom, privacy etc are not words in a dictionary or law...
These are norms and values. Once youwant to use these these words you must realise that anyof them comes with responsibility.
Ignoring this means a lack of respect.
And hey 🙄 we all know about respect in the US.
De-escalation is communication.
Communication is a 2 way system.
Mr. Justice appears to be on a one way road....
Very sad... Especially the insult towards fire fighters. Can't wait to see Mr. Justice somehow desperately needing assistance, where a property owner refuses them right of way so they have to go on a 10 minute detour...
See if his mouth can stop then for 5 minutes.
Disgusting behaviour a a double F for Mr. Justice for not willing to cooperate straight from the beginning with a service ready to rescue 24/7.
They are not security staff or police officers who regularly commit crimes.
Haven't heard of a country yet where the population can behave in a disgusting mannerlike this without being removed from the premises.
Another amazing video of a country failing in nearly every aspect of life you can imagine....
Unbelievable! 😒
💀💀💀
“ I’m gonna take your ass to court”
- “are you threatening me?” 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
No, I'm not. But your donkey should be worried.
@@migueldelmazo5244 ba dum tsk
No I'm threatening your ass
There is no way around it. Mr. Justice is a jackass. Mr. Justice is confrontational. Mr. Justice at every point walks right up to the line of physical assault while stopping just short.
I think this is the 2nd time I have seen a video out of the hundreds I have seen where the officer accepts responsibility and apologizes. I am glad that he admitted he lost his cool. That is the actions of a man.
@piotrekjerzynski3435 when you are able to write English properly and with proper spelling , I won't try to decipher what you wrote.You're almost there 😂Keep trying!
Mr. Justice went crazy. Something that was totally avoidable.
We didn't see what happen before the camera was turned on.
@@faervas1234 dude is like that in so many of his videos, so I'm gonna take a swing here and say that the context before filming is irrelevant.
Standing up for your rights is crazy!??? Damn that boot must taste good to you people!
If he had just changed his tone the situation would have been much more peaceful.
@@mattglasgow4383 so constitutional rights are only allowed if your tone is agreeable!?? SMH. It would have been a peaceful situation if the firefighter and police were willing to follow the law and constitution. The guy trying to protect his rights was definitely in the right here. You must be one of those boot swallowers
"I'm gonna tell you once to calm down."
"I'm gonna tell you once to calm down."
"Let it go - I got this" - Now available on iTunes.
Overall I’m giving the officer a pass on this one. Not only did he tell the truth of the encounter to his supervisor and not try to downplay his involvement in the escalation but he owned up to his handling of the situation and apologised.
@@westbrick1118 only because of the video
@@westbrick1118 He knew it was all recorded and went into damage limitation mode. The fact he lost his shit so easily and then made childish, thuggish remarks like any time makes him unfit for purpose. He knew that a member of the public had a recording that could severely damage his career, So how can you say he owned up to his handling of the situation or think that his apology was sincere?
black love rejected
Never in the history of calamity has the phase "calm down" ever calmed down the situation.
Yeah, I find if you're wanting to remind someone to check themselves, a good, "Woah, come on now." or, "Really?" with an appropriately confused look gets most people who aren't _already_ flipping out to not flip out.
"Calm down" is like, at best a trigger to test _if_ they're going to flip out more than a good way to remind someone to check it...
@@ashkebora7262 I like to use "Alright, go easy, go easy." Usually let's them know you realize they are upset but you also need them to bring it down a notch or 2.
If you follow it up with an explanation of what you are trying to do or an overview of the situation for clarification, it tends to reassure that they are being heard so they don't find it necessary to flip out or yell and brings everyone to a equal level. Just in my experience
Please edit comment and add “relax”. Damn that word just adds fire - absolutely nuclear mushroom cloud rage.
🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣
That’s why you say “summer Donna” or “simmer dean”
Dang, I hope Mr. Justice never has a fire on his property
... and all his paperwork/licenses are in order!
I hope he has a fire and they don't help him. Fuck that dude, being hostile for no god damn reason.
Yessir!
I absolutely hope he does, and I hope the fire department takes their good ol time.
@@iananderson8363 it burns to the ground if they do or don’t get in a hurry…. Stop acting like they are Johnny on the spot.
Mr. Justice was very antagonistic this entire encounter. A lesson on how not to handle the situation.
ikr... Honestly, I can't believe he got a B+ after that... if he had a bad police officer instead of Mr. Sims, he possibly could've been shot (illegally). Yes, he has the right to swear etc. at the officer, but he really escalated and should've had a C+ or similar grade...
@@jffrysith4365 I concur.
Not making any excuses for the officer however that could have been worse.
im sure this comment wasn't racially motivated in any way, shape or form ;D
@@carsonapplebaum2266 Nope. I encourage everyone to act like an adult when dealing with the police. If you feel you've been wronged or mishandled get the footage, file a complaint, and get em in the courts. That is how you effect change.
Yelling on the street accomplishes nothing except getting views on social media.
Ya got it?
@@brianschlicher59 You and I can be objectively rational and agree in theory that your description is the most mature, socially responsible way to handle things. However, the world doesn't follow a specific etiquette just because you say it should, if you want it to follow a more reasoned and respectful course, you should embody that attitude yourself instead of using a condescending tone.
"Ya go it?"
Sounds like a bunch of seagulls fighting over a french fry🍟.
Well said
Lmao well put
😂 That is a great way to describe it
😂
🤣🤣🤣
This is one of the best police officers I’ve seen on this channel. Not because he was perfect, but because when he lost his temper he didn’t try and arrest or assault someone under cover of his job, he simply got angry and had an argument with them man to man, albeit with some threats. Like a normal human being and not an egotistical police officer. And then to immediately apologise and confess his actions to a superior in front of the person he’d just had an issue with. I hope he went away and had some proper time to calm down
The problem with the cops threats is what happens when someone takes his threats serious? I don't let people just threaten me especially when they got a gun
@Occam’s Razor lose* your moms loose….
@Occam’s Razor in this case the cop was right, and also the fire fighter, the was non-sense and aggressive, and provocations for NO REASON
Horrible police officer for sure! OP is swallowing a boot apparently. this is definitely not how police should ever handle themselves. This guy is a loose cannon and it's not hard to think of what he'd be like off cameras and away from any witnesses.
The "anytime" thing was bad, but I do think he's an honest guy because he did simply walk away
This guy really caused his own problems. Lol even the officer was like whoa. What am I doing?
He called them all?
@@wildboar7473 is not very relevant who called them, the fact that there was a fire in the area grants the firefighters the authority to investigate and extinguish the fire, it doesn't matter if the owner doesn't want them there, he should know that
@@omi6816 ....so if a irrelevent "Caller" says a fire in your yard, They can come extinguish your campfire and hang around investigating, been a while but recall some mattering the Owner wanted them out.
@@wildboar7473 This scenario is weird, if the campfire is prominent enough that can be easily detected from the outside, it should probably be scaled down, however what can happend is that if the firefighter detects the fire, you explain is a campfire, the firefighter can either go in, but he likely will ask (he has the authority to not ask and just force his way in) to go in to verify that the minimun safety requirements are met, after he verifies that, he'll call dispatch to ignore any further calls about that campfire. On this video what escalated the situation is that the owner of the land is a complete jerk
The all powerful all authoritative *CALL!* that allows all; cops demanding ID with dozens of questions, if not Detainment and Arrest (/Beatings, search etc). "not very relevant who called them (angry 5 year old next doors), the fact that there was a fire ... authority to extinguish the fire," ....
Open Fire Regulations in the U.S.A. (by State)
Even in California !!! As of October 27, 2023 fires allowed in provided fire rings only. No collecting of wood, leaves or other material to burn is allowed. You must bring your own wood to burn.
Common Backyard Fire Pit Laws and Regulations. Most cities and towns allow small recreational fires.
- imagine, got a not relevant Caller and Firemen show up and extinguishing your yard fire pit despite Legal. 😂
Mr. Justice deserves a "F-"
Turns to the other fire fighter. "you sound stupid" I chuckled hard.
I’m not done watching but I figure nobody is getting a A on this one
The fact that Mr. Justice got a B+ shows how bad of a take ATA had.
@@Deathlordalmighty yeah I definitely don't agree with that grade
@@ssgemactv1775 you must adore having your rights (whether morally accepted or not) violated by people who simply have a badge.
@@xenthia the side of the road is not the courtroom
@@xenthia what you're supposed to do is let them do what they do, record them and then take them to court which is what this guy didn't do LOL what he did was scream at them to leave knowing it wouldn't work
I would have told the Police Officers “Hey, Thanks for helping me with this unusual event, hope u have a good day and take care” and let the police Officer do his job while just standing there quietly
Cool story, bro
That's kinda gay
I would've said " Officer, please have these Public Servants trespassing on my property to leave immediately. If not, then you're gonna also be a defendant in my Lawsuit .
I believe that’s what you think a black person should do
@@careysimmons7690 I believe you've just admitted to being functionally retarded
Mr Justice was looking for a fight. He doesn't get an F, he gets kicked out of school.
He went onto THEIR property being aggressive? or did it happen the exact opposite way?
@@Nalianna he caused a fire that was prominent enough to call the firefighters, at that point, he lost the authority to determine weather the fire was under control or not, even if it was on his property, then he wanted to fight, yes fire fighters have broader scene authority than the police
@@omi6816 What fire?
@omi6816 prominent enough? All fires produce smoke. The most basic fire would be enough fire for a neighbor to call if they were so inclined. It didn't look like much of a fire in the video. Certainly not out of control.
I'm the training Captain at my FD. I preach to the crews about respecting people's Constitutional rights!
All of our officers are pretty level headed, and we haven't had any issues, but I think I may show this video at the next training. If nothing else, simply to reinforce the standard we have in place.
My dad was Capt at our station for 40yrs & there was def a better way to have handled this. Living in rural MD, there are places here that ppl legal have burns much larger. Idk if there is a city ordnance against a contained fire in a commercial area, but even then he still could have handled this much better. I will say though Mr. Justice for "knowing his rights" doesn't obviously know them all of he has to escalate so quickly to them legally doing their job.
I agree. The captain and his offsider were acting like jerks. I know the type.
We all have egos and we all screw up, ain’t nobody perfect, is what it is
The captian could have tried to deescalate but this guy is full of shit and looking for trouble
@@Hohmies86
Totally agree. However, the bar is set much higher for those who have not only been trained in this verbal judo crap, but are also PAID to handle their ego.
My man lost his temper wayyyy too quick. This is a public servant who is paid quite well to protect and serve by means of justice and this is honestly intolerable in my own opinion.
Thankfully he did calm down but woah. I feel like this is how some people get shot lol
"Imma show you how to do it with a pen!" Best slogan I've heard all year!
Jesus Christ is God
Well it's not really a slogan but we get what you meant.
That’s what I was thinking…Well said.
@Brendan McMahon
Jesus Christ is The everlasting Father
@Brendan McMahon Neither are real or anything. What is either of your points.
Mr. Justice gets an F because I can see he is the type of person to irritate people. You can't live your life yelling using aggressive words to people without expecting some type of counter aggresion. Patience is a virtue. Goc bless.
next time sumbody not just a peace officer but anybody enters your property are you on any given day gonna invite them for tea and see how their day is or ask them to exit your property goc is always blessing you bafoons
@@jussc933 I meant to type: God bless.
Reminds me of watching kids at preschool arguing over legos.
I was thinking the same thing. I have actually seen children get along better than these foolish people.
I know pre-schoolers who are able to deescalate arguments better than this Mr. Justice and Co.
Because there black ? @overhead18
@@jmoney4708 They're
@@jmoney4708 Legos usually come in multiple colors, not just black
Prof. Audit must've gotten laid before handing out these grades lol, I was bracing for the triple F
I think it's a good idea to save the Fs for when people get hurt. In the end, this all boiled down to a few guys yelling at eachother. The Bs were higher than I expected though lol
Well, I mean the guy does own his private property.
@@AdmiralKnight for when people get hurt? So giving a cop a passing grade for what to me seemed like wanting to fight a civilian is the exact opposite of the type of emotional control ANY cop should have in this job. It's exactly these type of cops who can't control their emotions who end up policing with their ego and trampling on people's rights. But according to you, I guess disregarding rights is passable so long as the cop doesn't "hurt" the person...
@@darktheories1758 But he didn't trample on his rights. He shouted at him for a while then apologized and left. Lets put it this way. Say the officer decided to arrest him, and maybe rough him up a bit. That's an obvious F right? But that would be MUCH worse than what happened in this video, and I don't think it makes sense to grade them as being the same. As I said though, I think the B was too high.
The grades were actually pretty reasonable, they were just yelling at each other. Nothing that bad.
A situation like this never crossed my mind honestly. Who tf sees someone like a fire fighter or EMS and screams at them to get off private property while fulfilling their duty? Some people can't be helped
....uh...because i too would be pretty pissed if i started a controlled fire and some tard came to my property unlawfully. (as said in the video)
the fact how he told him to be "Captain!" Retard just shows, thats the type of guy that wants to exert authority, not do the work he is supposed to do
You're right. The firefighters should've seen that a SMALL CONTROLLED fire that IS BEING WATCHED in a barrel on a rainy day on asphalt with no flammable materials within 60ft SHOULD'VE realized they are being dumb...
shouldve just gotten off his property
@@jamesseeker1538 is 100% their call though, if someone called them because at some point the fire seemed out of control, is now their call to go in, investigate and determine, the dude there should be completely aware and even if he claims is under control, he has 0 authority to do that at that point, so instead of being a jerk, he should have let them do their work in peace.
Right!
"Dissolved the credibility" is a key statement! In so many of these cases/situations that is exactly what happens. So many times the correct demeanor and some professionalism would keep these situations from escalating into unlawful acts!
To whom are you referring because the police and the firefighters are the professionals
I usually agree with your grades, but this time you should have given them an "E -" for Ego
No joke.
Egos too big for the town
Agreed
For all of them, egos took over
I feel like he needs to get rid of the + and - in his grading system. A-F seems fine to me
_"Make me leave!"_
Now THOSE...are fighting words
Yeah they're very tough with a badge, gun and their friends ready to jump in.
It wasn’t the right phrase at all… however, Mr. Justice didn’t make the phone call, it was the firefighters. If I’m not mistaken, Mr. Justice was not in his right to make any of them leave until their business was complete. The firefighters were in their right to enter the property, and when met with resistance, called the police. Ironic.
@@FatAlbert1020 That isn't entirely factual. We don't know if the fire Mr. Justice set was lawful or not. So that's up in the air. The fire fighters came and put out the fire. Mr. Justice was pissed about that. The fire fighters had to stay to make sure the fire didn't flair up again, so calling the police is understandable. The officer understandbly is frustrated with Mr. Justice and the fire fighters because of all the back and forth. But once all of this is completed the officer should've just left the property without saying a damn thing. Challenging someone to a fight you know most people won't accept because you're a cop is a punk move.
EXACTLY! The last person to say that to me, ended up leaving my house... tumbling down stairs...
@@Lord_Bibulous the commentator said the fire was a legal contained fire.
Sims seems like a cool officer, imo. He acted truly human and had a sense of honor. He respected Mr.Jackass’ request for a supervisor and actually was honest that he got heated. I’m impressed he didn’t just draw his gun and start arresting him.
WTF, his job is de-escalate the situation and he literally do the opposite. not because he didn't act like human garbage means he is good at his job.
@@Controversia101employ robots if you dont want police officers to have emotions aswell. As long as he appologized and stood up to his actions i dont see a problem with him. The Owner was clearly antagonizing him aswell as soon as he entered the scene
Geeeeeze... lots of hot tempers and nasty egos coming to head
I think this man is fucking absolutely insane. Granted, do what you got to do to get free payday I guess.
Policing is a stressful job. A minor loss of composure is to be expected (though still wrong.) I respect how the officer manned up and told the truth. It feels so rare these days for anyone, law enforcement or civilian, to just own up to their words and actions. That was the amazing aspect of this video to me:
Cop tells truth.
He should get extra credit for that
Welcome to Takoma Park Maryland. I may have been born there, but I'm suuuuper glad I don't live there
@@brianprinty112 Right! I accept people make mistakes, especially during heated encounters, so I tend more towards judging people on how they address the mistake. Owning up, acknowledging the mistake and apologising puts that cop high on my list for respect. As you say, it's rare, the prevailing zeitgeist is obfuscate, distract and divert..... hence the current collapse of western society.
@@smilebehappy6102 It is ridiculous to use the whole dept for this, and that's probably why the officer is saying it's all good. But if the fire dept was called they are legally obligated to respond. I think if the fire captain would have explained this, it would have diffused the situation. Of course, any time he tried to talk the officer started swinging his dick before 3 words were out, so hey. Guess things are tame enough in Maryland that public servants gotta go looking for drama to stay entertained.
I kept waiting for “Mr. Justice” to say “King Kong ain’t got shit on me!” 😂
He did have some damn good one liners!
SHOE PROGRAM
lol good one!😆
@Kilo Byte you'll be playing basketball in Pelican Bay when I'm finished with u.
Why??
“I’ll show you how to do it with a pen” 😂 best line I’ve ever heard someone say to a cop, pitty he didn’t deserve it.
right. lol TY for putting it up for me to like.
Saying that you're going to sue somebody is not a threat
"I'll take you to court!"
"Is that a threat?"
"It's a promise"
Lost it
I say that all of the time 😂😂😂 "It's not a treat it's a promise and I'm going to call the police on myself" It's a warning!
you never heard that before? my wife says that pretty often "I don't do 'threats', I make promises..."
That and, it's not a threat it's a warning
That's bullshit kid shit when anyone says that doesn't really protect you
Wow. No F in this video.
Everyone can do wrong. Admitting doing wrong is proof of character...
But unfortunately having character isn't enough for being a professional law enforcement officers, he can and should do better. They all should. Fuck cops who can't control their emotions, that's what they're paid for. They act like we pay them to shoot people.
@@heartsky Cops are human and therefore have human emotions. Not every human is able to control their emotions for long periods of time when faced with a loud cursing asshole like Mr. Justice.
@@Karlach_ There's something terribly wrong with policing in America, the near infinite list of videos on this site showing cops harass and abuse law abiding citizens should be enough to sicken every patriotic American.
Nobody is demanding police go above and beyond, we simply want them to be HUMAN, have the most basic regard for humanity that most other groups of people don't have a problem with.
@@Karlach_ yes they are human and subject to human emotions but being able to suppress those emotions can be accomplished with more training. How is a marine recruit able to stand silent while a di screams in he/she's face? Training. If cops are unable to suppress those emotions in a situation such as the one in the video, they aren't cut out for police duty.
@@Karlach_ The servants could have left since they were way beyond their time to assess the situations and rectify any issues! Assholes are the people that give up their rights and allows the state to think, process and react to situations for them! If you don't start thinking for yourself, the state shall continue to do it for you!
Being calm and respectful can go a long way Mr. Justice. Fight in the courtroom not the streets. That's where you win your battles. I had a neighbor call a fire to our house. We were burning brush and cut tree limbs. The firefighters walked up saw we had a hose on standby bucket of dirt and in the open. They said why were we called and promptly left.
Exactly!
Mr. Justice, in my opinion, gets a C at best. HE'S the one who escalated it.
Somewhat, on HIS property he wanted the refusing "peaceful" Firemen to leave, the cop could of asked them to move to the outside. He did not invite either, wonder how you would react on a quiet guy walking inside of your house, no escalation?
He gets an F. He’s a miserable human piece of trash. He’s an angry dude. Talking down to people who risk their lives for us.
Mr J did not allow the police officer to even get started on his job before he tore into him. The firemen were obligated to investigate and extinguish the fire. I give Mr J a D-
The one thing I respect about Sims is when he got emotional he didn’t use his badge and gun, he had an argument man to man.
Yeah I felt kinda bad for him. This property owner is an ass and so was the fire fighter.
How was the firefighter an ass?
There was no way he could remove the fact that he's a cop. It'd still be assaulting an officer and the cop still might shoot him if the property owner beat his ass. There's no way to legally accept an invitation to fight from a cop (on duty), as there's no way for a cop to invite someone honorably. It should simply never be brought up by a professional, armed law enforcement officer.
He acted like a damn child he shouldn’t even have went back and forth with another grown ass man like 2 little 12 year old children he’s in a line of profession where you act PROFESSIONAL not let your emotions get in the way of your JOB he acted absolutely childish and pathetic
@@Nick-hv8gj 100% accurate
I think the officer was right when he first said Mr. Justice was “doing too much”. Then afterwards it was pretty much just a pissing contest with all their egos.
It's his property, be can do what the fuck he wants on his property
B+ is way too high for "Mr. Justice". ATA marked the firefighter down for his behavior and, yet, Mr. Justice got a higher score even though he was the most hostile of all of them. Either mark everyone down for bad behavior or don't take behavior into consideration.
@@Deathlordalmighty disagree. The property owner is the employer and not in a professional capacity, the cop and firefighters are the employees and in their professional capacities; Mr Justice is free to be as impolite as he pleases.
@@NG-cf7zh Who called in the fire? Are the fire fighters not obligated to respond? It seemed like this fire was next to the forest.
Nah dude. That guy was escalating on purpose. The firefighter and the officer were doing their job.
You can't be charged with being loud and obnoxious to an officer on private property.
First thing I learned in EMT school and Fire academy, leave when they become hostile! It's not worth getting hurt. Call PD and let them handle it.
So much of this could have been different. First, explain what's going on and just ask to investigate. If he says no, say thank you and leave. My department got called for an open burn violation and my chief arrived first. While still on the way I heard my chief say over the radio, "I'm going to be clear of the scene. I was told to do something very uncomfortable to myself and he left. I'll be back in service." My chief was the man. He did the right thing. He made contact and left. All liability was left on the property owner.
That doesn't work that way though, even if the owner refuses, they have to investigate. If the fire goes out of control and there is proof that the department was called when it was still manageable, the department is liable.
As you said, the statue stated fire must be attended. It wasn't. No one was attending that fire when the fire fighters approached it The fire captain did nothing wrong. Fire captain Miller gets an A. I usually agree with you but your way wrong in this one.
Mr. Justice gets an F. The firemen did there job in a legal manner and should not have to put up with abuse from this moron.
Wrong. The beginning of the video goes: “Mr Justice had been supervising a fire, and when the fire department got there, he notified them it had been extinguished and asked them to leave the property.” Not only was that said in the first 1 minute of the video, there was clearly no active fire to corroborate that claim. Work on your comprehensive skills.
@@Sffker Unfortunately since the general public has NO EXPERIENCE fighting actual fires they are unable to make the determination that the fire is out. Nobody on youtube does either. It is the Fire Dept responsibility. When you go to work, how often do you allow a lay person to make determinations about your job? If you do and something ends up happening whos fault do you think it will be?
How long have you worked for that fire department under that captain
The fire department is generally given a broad amount of power in the interest of public safety. With that authority comes an enormous responsibility to be reasonable and professional.
Sincerely,
A fireman.
Fire fighters and park Rangers have a huge amount of power even more so than sheriffs. It’s for good reason! A single moron can cause a whole state to burn. Thank you firefighters for your service! You guys are the best people I know.
@@angelgjr1999 Exactly. I was wondering if I was watching the same video by the end. That fire had all the fuel and every potential to spread into the brush, trees and parklands and cause a wildfire. But what do I know? Everywhere around me is only burning down from them at the moment. This Justice guy was a complete POS.
@@RodsAndAxes So, while a fire may have the potential to get out of hand, that doesn't mean it will. This one clearly was not, and looked to have minimal fuel to get to that point. The ground and all surroundings were soaking wet. He clearly managed to get it extinguished without the aid of the FD. A professional Captain, or firefighter should have taken all of this into account. Could it have been further from that car, yeah. Is it ideal to have the fire where it was, no. But outside of what the contents of the fire were, which we have no context... it appeared to be under control and should have been let go. If the guy was in any violation of any municipal statutes, he should have advised of them, and gone from there.. But no, Captain here went full butthurt on a citizen. Then when police were finally there, added fuel to the fire intentionally, trying to get the guy to get himself arrested. The cop, should have told the Captain to shut up, just as much as he told the property owner; Honestly he should have said it to the Captain first.
@@ryanslemmer5905 I don't know if Montgomery has a fire ban but if they do then citizens have to follow that
@@angelgjr1999 No they don't LMFAO. Fire fighters can't arrest
Those unable to control their emotions and actions that follow will be subject to an incredible injustice
Well said
I mean he couldnt control his emotions but he definitely controlled his actions.
He threatened him, yes. But considering hes a cop, a threat is literally the least bad thing he coulda done. Such as lying to take him to jail, even if charges get dropped.
Though I'll always appreciate a cop that says "I'll give you the fair one, I dont need this gun and vest". Know homie from the streets.
@@Xeno455 If you can't control your own emotions how can you defend anything with an absolute truth? My right as a citizen and tax payer and lawful individual are not to be ignored. A good officer sees a situation and walks before apologies after the fact. Real talk.
Imagine almost burning a forest down and when the fire chief comes to investigate you give him a big fat middle finger and start yelling at him instead of giving him 5 minutes to do his literal job to make sure your dumbass isn't setting the entire forest right behind you ablaze and letting everyone be on their way.
@@Figgy20000 almost burning down a forest 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡
I love that the fireman thinks 'threatening' to take him to court is an actual threat to his person
It's easy to defend the rights of someone you like. Some of you folks need to get a grip and realize it's just as important to do the same for people you don't.
It's also important to realise the guy was a zealot and behaved hysterically. He wasn't really put upon and it only interferred with his life at all because he blew a trivial event out of all proportion.
@@MissBlennerhassett876 sad when people say the obvious trampling of our rights is trivial
@@chadgamer6942 Sad when people are melodramatic and have no sense of proportion.
@@MissBlennerhassett876 your just saying words with no explanation. how am I being melodramatic? How does proportion matter? Is it cause your rights aren't being trampled just this guys so you don't care?
@@chadgamer6942 No, it's that "rights being trampled on" is an unqualified term you would likely use on just about every video on this channel. And I'm saying there's a difference between being illegally detained and pepper-sprayed over a traffic violation, say, and screaming yourself hoarse over a fireman quelling a small blaze in a car park. One is actually traumatic and the other is more or less inconsequential and not worth screaming at the top of your lungs about. The man in this video worked himself up into a frenzy and it was completely irrational.
“get off my property”
“ill leave when i want”
“oh yeah, what’s your name?”
-walks away quickly-
Entire class gets F.
Leave the Fs for serious violations, not for just being assholes
Completely disagree. Their actions could have easily led to a physical altercation.
@@__-vo7iq this isn’t random people in a parking lot these are public servants.. they need to de escalate not escalate
@@lionsbetryin989 public servants acting and threatening like thugs. Not fit for duty.
@@LabMatt This wasn't being an asshole. This was abuse of authority. F is warranted, because this was just a half a step from a F-. Like LionsBe Tryin, the cop ESCALATED the situation. It was only during the process of his boss getting involved did he start to change his demeanor.
And by the way D for the second cop on the scene for not trying to deescalate the situation.
The fact the the officer told him to stop, back up, anytime, etc, then Turns around and told his superior the truth and took responsibility say a lot. He didn’t threaten with arrest and try to abuse his power. Unprofessional yes, but that’s about it. It’s the cops that abuse their power and can potentially ruin your life that I fear more.
Cops don't generally start out abusing their power, it happens gradually. So this was probably the genesis of a bad cop. As for him admitting his bad behavior, he knew he was being recorded. I wonder what would've happened if he wasn't being recorded.
Nope edge only told the truth because the guy filming has made people leave the force, raised many federal complaints and is actually white sucessful in his actions. He alludes to it in this video with talkk g about taking it a certain court and "make you the next guy to retire" statements
He was a real one
Confessing to what's on camera isn't admirable, it's damage control. He didn't threaten Mr. Justice with arrest, but you can be sure if Mr. Justice started throwing he would end up in jail, or shot. Respectfully, you're an idiot if you're not fearful of a cop trying to provoke you into a fight while on duty surrounded by other officers.
Weak minded, way more scary than a physically weak officer
There was a cop in my town that thought he was tough, and felt like fighting one of my boys from the block, so he took his badge off and proceeded to get his ass whooped. Ever since that we used to yell my boy's name out when the cop was around, till he was forced to change departments cause no one respected him and laughed at him. He never challenged anyone again.
Controlled fires usually have provisions against spread where they must be a minimum distance from dead brush or ignition sources because lit embers can be caught and blown several feet. It appears his fire is right on the property line where an uncontrolled amount of flammable brush can be seen in the background, an example is of the fire chief picture at the end, and his fire could possibly been in violation of the clearing rules.
Does the fact everything is wet have no impact on you?
A B+ for "Mr. Justice" is a horrific grade. Sometimes, you can be "within your rights" and still be a total @#$%! He caused literally everything about this conflict because it is exactly what he wanted. He was dying for a conflict... and he got one. He should get an F.
Facts
I agree, his attitude from the start was awful. He needs an attitude change. Although he was within his rights does not mean to say it is right.
He just wanted attention, he should be checked in.
Agreed
Too bad feelings don't trump rights.
This property owner was just trying to be difficult. He escalated this into some thing it did not need to be.
TRUE.The property owner shouting and being demanding was true A-hole worthy.
When he went to the front of the building and started yelling in earshot of the public he could’ve received a citation for public disturbance. There’s no reason for him to follow the officer and raise his voice.
What are you missing? He told them to leave and they didn’t. I’d be pissed too.
Uploader should have given him an F based on this alone regardless.
@@acuritis I agree with you
Sitting right next to a lifelong Maryland firefighter. Once the fire department got there the scene was theirs until released by the OIC. People forget that part of the job is making sure the fire is completely out and won't reignite. They can even have landowners removed from private property if needed to fight the fire or to hold the scene for an arson investigator. They can even order police officers removed from a scene if necessary. The FD was under no obligation to leave when asked.
I work in EMS and this captain was way out of line. Fire captains and their unions’ are pretty insulated and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had no punishment. Mr. Justice knew the rules but he was very unnecessarily hostile.
well .... no he doesnt
agree to it or ot, the firef. dude had the right, it was even his duty, to enter and check
while you could easily argue he remain longer then needed,it was clearly state with the according law that he doesnt need or have to comply with the owner in that matter
@@namonamo494 Mr. Justice deserves no higher grade than a C. The B+ was waaaay to generous.
Also, the right to remain silent applies to being questioned. You have the right not to answer questions or give self incriminating statements.
Mr. Justice was ordering the firefighters off of his property before they had had the chance to inspect the fire. Had he escorted them to the burn site, explained what he was doing, and that he kept a watchful eye on the fire to make sure it remained contained, I doubt any problems would've arisen from this interaction. The fire chief could have given some advice on how to best conduct a controlled open fire, and made Mr. Justice aware of possible risks and dangers.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 yeah he seemed like he was treating them like they are the police.
Mr Justice was well within his right.
He wanted them off HIS property and they disrespected his asking them to leave, PERIOD!!
Mr. Justice is kind of person who is oblivious to what it means when everyone they interact with turns into an asshole.
That means they were assholes from the beginning and not the professionals they are paid to be
Exactly! He will always wonder why everybody is against him and why it will get worse and worse.
There's the US Law, but beside that, there's other Universal Laws, which Mr Justice doesn't seem to have knowledge of.
Circumstances aside, that cop actually seemed like a nice guy. We're all human.
A C A B
His Hood side came out 😂. He gotta be careful to not do that while on duty though
@@adaircastillo4241 haha Yeah I saw that! I'm glad it didn't escalate beyond a heated conversation.
Yeah with some people even ones highly trained in scene management, you can only descalate so much until that fuse is lit. Mr. Justice just kept pushing its like he was trying to make something happen. Officer Sims fuse got lit but he knew to walk away thats commendable
@@randallcraft4071 Well said
These videos remind my of a traffic stop I had when I was 22 ish. The officer basically pulled me over to question me a lot and to see what I was up to. Because I was young and had no idea what rights I have I was short and to the point. I didn’t get aggressive but was assertive to why was I pulled over and what else he needed. After 1 hour of questioning I left no ticket no real reason for the stop. To this day I’m glad it went well .
I love this channel. I am so impressed how they find all this legal case law scotus rulings etc. That has to be time consuming. They put a lot of time and professionalism into this. It's always educational.
NEVER MENTION YOU'RE TALKING SOMEONE TO COURT, EVER
definitely Mr. Justice deserved a C at least. the dude was just looking for trouble from the very start. Some battles are worth fighting, but this guy just wanted a confrontation.
True. I agree with you although, it seems this isn't his first go-around with this kind of thing.
Without further context it's hard to say how much they harass him and how frequent he is burdened to file complaints.
He should have remained calm but there has to be an understanding that at some point enough is enough.
He, potentially, has every expectation to be angry. He also should understand that it won't drive his goal of them leaving him alone forward very well.
he didn't call the fire dept.
Who knows what he was doing with that little fire, but imagine you about to start cooking something and then they just come and put it out without a care in the world. I'd be heated too, then the cop trying to get the last word on my property telling me to gtfo. Nah you gtfo, could've been handled waaay better, but I get why he stayed hostile lol
@@Zadesniper who cooks something in a parking lot in rainy weather?
@@borrow4654 Good point. But the fire then would also be contained and that would favor Mr Justice.
As a fireman I have had to respond to these type of calls….
I talk to the owner and come to a mutual agreement that if I have to come back because it gets out of control I will extinguish it to the point it can’t be relit…after that it’s all on them.
I do it politely and respectfully.
Then I leave…works out pretty well for me
I met my obligation.🤷♂️
Absolutely right
What would u have done in this situation?
It can always be relit.
Well if you can atleast see how da fire doing and is currently in control, what you wrote Henweigh totally make sence.
Absolutely spot on. The fire Capt could have approached it better but given "Mr Justice" belligerent attacking attitude, he helped create the response he got.
Yo this vid is so entertaining mane. Mr justice is off the hook mane!
I'd like to know how on a wet rainy day the fire got started .I'm thinking it was deliberately started to bait the fireman to the property to start a altercation hoping to suit
The property owner may be in the right but he was unnecessarily being a huge asshole about it. I wonder if he was intentionally trying to get a pay day of this...
Being an asshole is not against the law, but trespassing is, lol. And he's not supposed to be trained to carry such interactions, but officers are.
They couldn’t even explain their right to be there because of the resident yelling and screaming at them, and not listening.
This is nothing that forces you to use nice words. If you have thin skin and get triggered easily, you should not be in public service.
@@wolfenstien13 agreed- but the legality of his actions doesn't mean he's not an asshole!
@@wolfenstien13 Common courtesy for a fellow human being? For God’s sake.
"I'm gonna tell you once to calm down"
Tells him twice
I think you will find repeatedly not twice
Congrats, you can count
In my experience having a fire Marshall declare a place safe has always been the norm. We weren't even allowed to say or assume that a fire has been "put out" or "extinguished". I think the fire captain should have gotten a B at least. The property owner was very confrontational. He didn't deserve the grade he got.
I agree. I can't speak to Maryland laws or their local city/county ordinances but based on my experience as a firefighter, this fire may have been very well illegal. In that event, we would respond regardless of the property owner's wishes and extinguish the fire. We would leave when we were released by the battalion chief either by person or by radio. On the few occasions that we did encounter a hostile, but not violent, property owner, we mostly ignored him/her or kept communication short and to the point until our job was finished. The captain seemed to do so to a degree.
To give Mr. Justice a B+ when the actual laws regarding his actions are unclear or unknown is absolutely ridiculous.
"I'ma show you how to do it with a Pen🖊️" Goes Hard AF
"I'mma show you how to do it with a pen"
-Mr. Justice
Probably the best thing he said the whole encounter.
@manny022 you must have an entirely different feeling about your own property than he did
@manny022 Masybe he has a problem with people refusing to leave his property. Jeez......
@@ponderoustomes9005 Firemen had a responsibility to investigate the fire. It is customary to wait a while before leaving an extinguished fire to ensure it doesn't flare up again. Auditor lied claiming he extinguished the fire when it was still smoking, and the auditor broke the law by not attending a fire that was still smoking. The auditor's "feeling" about his property doesn't override the firemen's responsibility.
@@1SCme Agreed
If someone asks you to leave and you are already leaving just keep doing it don't get into an argument about it.
Yea but that’s a tough pill to swallow as a man. That’s what people don’t understand. If the dude wasn’t a cop, he prob would have laid him out. That’s what happens 99% of the time ANYWHERE when there isn’t a person bound by a job.
@@ITRIEDEL Yeah I get it. I understand the emotional reaction but that just means anyone can get you in to a fight by telling you to do what you are already doing.
@@ITRIEDEL We call those ego battles, if you can't control your ego not only are you going to get yourself in trouble, but you can hardly call yourself a man.
I had a guy tell me to get the f*ck off his property; I said "ok!" and turned & started walking towards the street. Then he yelled at me, "where are you going, you can't leave, I'm calling the police to have you arrested for trespassing! Now get the f*ck off my property! You can't leave, I'm calling the police!" (N.B. I was not, in fact, trespassing.) I turned around, but continued walking backwards, and said "I can't get the f*ck off your property AND stay while you call the police, so which is it going to be? Do you want me to wait for the police, or do you want me to get the f*ck off your property?" He wanted me to stay so I stopped where I was. Eventually he calmed down and realized it was a case of mistaken identity - he thought I was this other guy, who *would* have been trespassing just by being there. All's well that ends well, and he waved off the police before they arrived.
@@ITRIEDEL no that's what happens when people have egos... it has nothing to do with being a man... egos have gotten people killed. Just walk away it doesn't make you less of a man. It actually makes you more of a man cause you are smart enough to live another day and do more things to provide for your family or community...
In some states like Massachusetts for example you are only allowed to burn on certain days and time of year depending on wind and chances of brush fires. If so they would be in their right to tell him to put it out or extinguish it themselves before leaving and do their due diligence to make sure the fire hadn’t spread to any brush in the area
Damn Officer Sims v. Mr. Justice is a true boxing match I want to see.
Seriously!!!
I got all my money on Sims... I don't want to watch a old feller get a savage beat down but if it's going to happen I may as well bank roll off of it... hell id even tip the old feller a percentage out of nothing more than feeling dirty for watching him get rocked. lol
I will never call a man who tries to bully another man Mr. He neither earned that title and his temper tantrum in any other situation woukd have gotten him his ass beat.
Sure the fireman and cop were out of line but this child justice was goading them for what? Did he want a lawsuit?
@@wowihaveachannel4862 what lawsuit you are talking about?
We citizens can curse them and it's not against any law, if they don't like it they should not be in these jobs...
Bottom line: they are serving me!!!
I got Sims. Dude looks like an absolute unit
So much respect for the officer for calming down and giving an honest record of events.
Bullshit. He only did it because his boss showed up. He showed he'll do whatever the hell he wants if nobody is looking. 0 integrity.
@@Cowabungas My, my aren't we aggressive... 11 months later...
He was on videos
I can see why some make the argument that he only calmed down because he was on camera. But I've seen so many of these. I don't get the impression that the bad ones care they're on camera. I think I saw a man lose his cool a little bit, admit to himself that he lost his cool, then be a man about admitting that he lost his cool. He also did not attempt to make an arrest, even when he was hot.
You sound like a cop
Basic politeness is so underrated.
I love the word 'fisticuffs'. I wish it was used more often.
Dude got a B+? He was acting a fool the whole time.
He was protected to do so by the fact that it’s private property. He grades them based on their conduct of business and knowledge; not necessarily particularly “how” it was carried out. Yes it is a factor in a lot of if not all cases, but that alone doesn’t determine the ultimate grading.
@@lol54776 He also factors in the demeanor and behavior of the individuals, primarily because the behavior can escalate or deescalate a situation. He just is a lot harsher on the police when they behave like this as opposed to the citizens. I get all the legal implications, but shouting at the police until it gets to the point of wanting to fist fight isn't the way to go about it. His channel, he can do what he wants, I really do love his content, but I would have been harsher on him because his behavior made the whole situation worse than it needed to be. C+ IMO, still, we are all free to disagree and like I said I love the content.
@@TenThumbsProductions because the Police are suppose to be held to a higher standard than civilians
He should get a F+ then for being a annoying fool
I'd give him an A. There was no uncontained fire. They should have immediately left when they discovered there was no fire to contain.
Badge or not, once he said "Make me leave!" that cop essentially became an armed tresspasser making threats to the property owner.
@Whats Your Pest its a direct threat to his constitutional rights to both privacy and property, my man. "Threat" isn't predefined as a physical nature.
@@everydaydubs1713 Yeah the cop just had that human moment when dealing with an asshole. I know what you're saying on a legal premise. The sentence was "Ill leave when i want to leave, ok bye." Idk where "Make me leave!" came from. I don't like cops that can't keep their cool so the last thing im saying is that he did a good job. But if saying ill leave when i want to leave and then immediately saying "ok bye" counts as a threat then i question our legal system LOL
@@justinmoonshine3742 the word threat was meant to be applied to the owner's rights to his privacy and property, not necessarily to his person. If you havent commited any crimes and a cop wont leave your property when asked, your rights havent been merely threatened, but actually violated. Admittedly my original comment was poorly worded bias based on our shared dislike of cops who cant stay professional, but the point I was trying to make still stands (I think).
@@everydaydubs1713 Yeah i get it, that's why i said on a legal premise you're correct. But you still don't think its a stretch claiming the cop wont leave his property when not even a second after his comment he says Ok bye? If it went to a jury and they watched the video i don't think they would agree that the cop was actually not willing to leave when he says Ok bye immediately after and literally walks until he is out of the property. But yeah, end of the day were all humans and the system will never be perfect and if i had to deal with people overreacting all day i couldn't say i would of handled it much better at the start.
@@justinmoonshine3742 oh I dont think theres any kind of tangible court case here. Like you said, he immediately said okay bye. Almost like he instantly realized the moment he heard his own words that he needed to get out of the conversation before he hung himself.
Those nice firemen just saved that concrete slab from iminant destruction. Our hero’s.
The worst thing I heard in this video is that a firefighter is held accountable for failing to put out a fire. Are you seriously telling me that firefighters, a totally selfless job, are held more accountable than police??
16:16 The property owner got a "B+"?? I think that's way too generous for a hothead like that.
17:06 "He may have benefited from invoking his right to silence more effectively." I don't think he invoked that right at all.
This channel is terrified to give a black person a low grade
Why do you have to remain calm and speak softly to trespassers? Yh it may be a more pleasant thing to do but if you come onto my house uninvited you think im going to speak softly to you?
I think the reviewer is purposely highly critical of the authority figure, and private citizens get a handicap when it comes to attitude, and ignorance of laws and ordinances. It's more a review on authority doing their job... then citizens awareness.
I think Mr. justice grade is a little bit too high. Officer Sims was trying to get the firefighters side of the story and Mr. Justice kept on interrupting over and over being very loud and rude. The officer initially tried to get him to calm down but Mr. justice kept going off. Mr. justice kept on escalating the situation just as much, if not more than Officer Sims was. I would say C- at best.
Lastly, why do you want to give fire fighters such a hard time? They are they are there to help, not to arrest or violate your civil rights as Mr. justice claimed
A hard time because they clearly didn't listen, the man told then that things were under control from the beginning, that should have been enough
Fire fighters in that area have been violating private property laws and causing destruction under fire laws for years. Breaking gates and even taking peons air conditioners out and entering homes, where there was no fire. This fire was in a fire pit.
As for Mr Justice, he was on his property, now with a broken gate, that will cost thousands to fix, and he was upset. His tone doesn't matter , he is a citizen that was angry, it's the job of the officer to CALM the situation, dealing with upset, angry, or crisis situations are their jobs. He didn't break a law, he was rude.
I absolutely agree with this. No way does Mr Justice deserve a B+.
If anyone enters my property I would be very pissed off if they refuse to leave. Whatever you say about the firefighters but they were asked politely at first and then they refused to leave the property, they know the fire was perfectly legal and even then, they extinguish it when it was already extinguished, so... The officer should have listened the owner of the property first. I have more authority on my property than a firefighter, what was the interest of the firefighters to stay on the property? That is called TRESPASSING, and it is a felony.
Who called the firefighter ? That caller was noisy busybody
“It will be back ON in a few minutes” So firefighters had to stay there to make sure it is not going to.
Your grade on mr justice is flatly absurd. C- at absolute best. Officer Simms is a phenomenal public servant and should serve as an example to policing in America
Goes to show how low the bar is for police if Sims' actions here are having him touted as a phenomenal public servant. He was out of line the second he said I'm going to tell you once and got in his face and started yelling, that's escalating behavior. He was out of line when he said I'll leave when I want to leave, that's ego driven, antagonizing, retaliatory behavior. Not to mention devoid of respect for the property owner's wishes. He was WAY out of line when he deliberately tried to provoke a physical confrontation by saying "make me leave". After that he continued to try to provoke a fight with Mr. Justice by saying "any time any time...". Sims calming down and becoming professional afterward, in front of his superior, and confessing to his behavior, which he knows is on camera anyway, doesn't excuse him of escalating and trying to start a fight with a citizen while in the course of his duties. Police are going to encounter rude and obnoxious people during the course of their duties, they need to remain calm and not escalate the situation. And under no circumstances should they deliberately try to provoke a fight, that makes them a danger to the public.
@@gr33dyglutton Wow! Dude you need to man up. If you think that was hostile, you should probably thank the stars you had such a soft life. Sure glad you’re not working in a position where a man would be required. You just go on keep holding that feminist party down. The world needs soft men too
@@pepperjack6749 I expect professionalism out of police officers so I need to man up? 🤣What do you think would happen if the property owner "manned up" and started swinging on the cop? Do you think all his armed cop buddies would have just watched? Beaten at best, maybe even shot and killed, certainly arrested and thrown in jail for years. The citizen is at a severe disadvantage, it's like an adult trying to pick a fight with a child; manly, right? Police are supposed to protect and serve citizens, deescalate, not goad them into dangerous situations. The cop even acknowledged he was wrong.... Go on and believe this is the way cops should behave, the world needs stupid people too.
"20% opacity for a total for more than 3 minutes in any 60 minute period" good grief. I'm a firefighter, gotten many of these calls, and my main concern is safety in these situations. Regardless of the open burning regulations, is what the person is doing safe? I don't know what they were dispatched to (the Captain almost said it but was interrupted), if there was a ban on open burning in effect or not (doubtful, as it appears to have recently rained), but if I arrive and tell him somebody reported a fire and he points at a smoking metal bin in the middle of a paved parking lot I'm going to say "sorry to bother you" and leave.
Out of curiosity, is it possible that the burning substance is dangerous and constitutes an investigation irrespective of the size/location of the fire?
@@Edgesundermined yeah definitely. Could be some kind of hazardous material, or burning insulation off copper wire. I'm really curious as to what it was.
By your actions, you failed at your position. If you are actually a firefighter. I don't believe you are cause you fail at your duties. Sounds like your easily intimidated. Go work at a nursing home chump
@@anthonyg1968
..spoken like someone who has never worked in public safety..
@@squidwardtortillini8816 he’s definitely the neighbor who ruins the Sunday bbq by calling the fire station about a lit grill
Mr Justice should have a B solid at highest. He constantly had an aggressive attitude, refused to listen to reason or explanations from either of the men, and was just an ass throughout
maybe and F with that condescending attitude
Id say C at highest
Being on your own private property affords you certain asshole privileges.....
Mr. Justice deserves an A. He held his ground firmly and never came to blows, even after being invited to..
@@Rukkus333 yea but he needed to stfu followed to cop all the way to his car
Of all the videos I have seen, this video is the best
I understand the Capt. urgency. Even small fires can sometimes lead to a bigger fire. There is a wooded area behind the fire.
Mr. Justice gets an F from me for escalating the situation the whole time and screaming and yelling. What a nutcase he seem to be. Many people will lose their cool with people like that
He knows his rights. The officer and the fire captain need to learn their fucking place
@@garywderock a fire captain’s place is near a fire in a city.
@@garywderock the fire captain was in his place and authority, is his duty is to investigate, put out and certify that is safe, the nutjob shouldn't cause prominent fires if he doesn't want the fire fighters there.
Mr. Justice has major anger issues. What a miserable human being.
I know, he REALLY pissed me off
Well if I was grilling outside my property and the fire dept showed up to check it out only to see I'm grilling a t bone steak and refuse to leave after they see its contained then damn right I'll be mad. Instead of arguing with this guy they could be attending to other serious calls.
Meh... they fucked up his bbq
@@Miguel323527 you don't get to decide what's a serious call. You're not qualified to decide when something is ko longer a danger. If you were you wouldn't have a situation you couldn't control.
And the law says you don't get to decide anything.
@@johnserino6 I suggest you read that again. It's not about me knowing what's under control. Once they see its contained (such as in the video) , then it's time to leave and get onto more serious calls. Hopefully your house never catches fire because if you get a fire dept like these clowns it might burn down for them acting this carelessly and prolonging their stay..
You can not verify whether or not the fire was contained by this video. The fire fighters are trained on the subject and they need to determine when they need to leave. Mr. Justice seems to be acting out of sorts for no reason other then his ego.
Fire fighters are want to be nazi pigs.
Yep, he’s annoying as hell. They’re not corrupt police officers, they’re f****** firefighters. The dude filming is an idiot and I hope he needs a fire fighters help in the future and doesn’t receive any
Although he was hilarious
Haven't finished the video but the way captain firefighter says nNo lol
How do you justify Mr Justice getting a B+??
He is the one escalating the entire situation. When the others DID try to talk reasonably, he wouldn't shut up and listen.
Not to mention he started the situation to begin with 😂
Because it is his roperty and the people inside it refused to leave?????? hat d you do if you have three morons inside your house refusing to leave¿¿¿¿
I perceived it differently. The firefighters had no intention to explain themselves.
Why are they there to put out a small contained fire with no chance at causing a bigger fire? How did they know to come there? It is contained and the ground it wet it seems. They are either there to harass him, possibly for past encounters, or at the very least are wasting resources, maybe to keep their funding high in the next budget.
@@YURAKAPTIV The fire was against a chain link fence with fallen leaves on either side. Even leaves that seem damp can catch fire very easily, and once a few start to burn, you'd be amazed how fast it can spread. Had even an ember got to the other side of the fence, "Mr. Justice" would have needed to run all around the fence, by which time it could easily be out of control.
Where I live burning leaves requires a permit and you need to have a hose at the ready to extinguish the flames. I don't see any hose in this video and "Mr. Justice" doesn't strike me as the type to get a permit to burn.
10:13 "im going to show you how to do it with a pen"
idk where this quote is from but thats some powerful shyyt
Simms never reached for his weapon or try to pull rank.
THAT is a good cop.
Bro leave the firemen alone, they not doing you no harm
“You’re a pee-pee doo-doo head!”
“No you’re a pee-pee doo-doo head!”
“I’m gonna tell that you called me a pee-pee doo-doo head!”
“I don’t care because you are a pee-pee doo-doo head!”
That’s what I heard.
When you pull the p word, there's no going back
@@Throbzzz YOU A DOO DOO FART 👌
@@alexrekzu4079 That's absolutely uncalled for.
I heard monkey ass when a white man said it 2 a black man it’s racist 😳
😂😂😂 so true
What a great example of turning everybody against you by being so aggressive. Mr justice has an attitude problem.
For real, this. Even if you disagree with the cop or fire captain...how does he think other human beings are going to respond to or handle someone screaming at them. When the cop is saying he'll handle it and let him handle it...just stop and let him. If it still doesn't go the way you want call up the court and make a complaint...but seriously I can't imagine a scenario where he starts flipping out and screaming at the cops and they say "OK, you right you right" and just walk away. That doesn't happen.
Totally agree! Sounds like he was trying to instigate an argument for content. Ridiculous!
@@kristinzazeski5725 It's very American to want people 'off your property', to push your rights over the cliff of reason.
You missed the whole point of this video it’s to make sure those paid trained professionals are just that Professional
I'm new to the channel and am enjoying the content and respect the amount of time and effort you put into these. Thank you. Perhaps because I'm confused or don't understand your grading criteria, but I'd be very interested to know how Mr. Justice deserves a B+ here? With the caveat that I recognize I may simply be ignorance to your grading criteria, your grading scale for the citizens involved in these videos seems to be on a steep, steep curve. I'm only about 15 videos in, so I don't know if it's a representative sample. In the videos I've seen, there seems to be one of three dynamics: 1) egregious abuse of authority by law enforcement and a violation of civil liberties 2) Citizen who seems to be seeking out the opportunities to be confrontational and difficult with law enforcement with the ulterior motivation to film the encounter 3) Situations where the citizen has some pretty obvious off ramps that would have resulted in a less problematic encounter, but choose not take the road to the clean, obvious solution. What seems consistent is that in nearly every video not involving the obvious is that the grade given the citizen is always very high, or at least much higher than what I anticipated. And, I say this as a person who is under under no illusion about what the abuse of authority and power looks like and feels like. I have been on both sides of the jail cell and am have a general default to holding law enforcement to the highest of standards. To me, I'm not sure of the difference between law enforcement saying "Do it because I said so" and a first amendment auditor saying "I'm doing it because I have the right to".
Keep living maybe you need a little more time to be able to recognize what is obvious those people are paid and trained to de-escalate if you know this what is your question
A lot of people here don't seem to understand that he never called the fire department. He was burning a small fire inside a firepit on his parking lot, and someone else called because they saw it.... He never wanted them there AND they ruined his fire AND they refused to leave his property. I would be annoyed too.
I’ve never seen anybody upset with the damn fire department! Lol
It happens, especially when the department writes you up for fire code violations.
The Captain was enforcing the Policy, *"Teaching them who's BOSS."*
REVELATION 13:10
YOU GONNA FIND OUT, WHO'S IN CHARGE !
Ego and feelings enforcement.
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Captn was pissed to go on a call like that cause his help was not needed at all. Had to stop whatever he was doing and answer the alarm slide the pole get dtessed like a normal fire man.....I am Captian so and so. He maid it very clear he was the captian that puts him in charge NOT. I am not related to officer Sims.
@@barrysims9906 Hahaha. His afternoon nap probably got interrupted and it was their 1st call in 3 days.
Firefighters are allowed to enter property and stay there against the property owner's wishes because the firefighters have the legal right and obligation to remain until a reported fire is controlled.
The fact the other officer didn't try to de-escalate the situation between Sims and Justice is ridiculous. I do give Sims props for calming down, admitting fault, and reporting truthfully, all without pulling his taser or gun, I do respect that of him. Hopefully he's better at controlling his emotions now.
Justice deserves a D, he was just demanding over and over and being stupidly aggressive with his behavior. Imagine if this dude was a cop. He owns a property and thinks he can boss literally anyone around? Ridiculous.