Yah, married to a Spanish lady (I think Catalan). He did his acceptance speech first in English, then in Spanish. His extended Spanish family was there at the finish today. Sepp is just such a great role model and emissary for American Cycling -- I'm so impressed with this fine young man and the fine young American men (and women) in the European Peleton. Great sportsmanship, unflappable, grateful to be riding, never a cross word even when it seems he was given a sh*t taco on stage 16 by his own team. Bravo 🥳💯💪🚲⚡🔥👑
One should not understate that Jumbo-Visma really have lifted the Vuelta. They came in with two of the strongest riders in this discipline. The best team right now takes the Vuelta very serious. Otrher teams will look and say "Hey we will also focus on the Vuelta"
Sepp Kuss is an awesome domestique, pretty generous by Vingegaard to not go for the red jersey. I bet he have earned Kuss' loyalty for the coming years. Vingegaard said already on the 2nd rest day they should ride defensive and protect Kuss' lead, but management initially decided they should race for the win.
That decision didn't have anything to do with Vingegaard saying this in the press... hahaha It is Richard Plugge who made this decision. And besides that if Kuss would not have been in the lead it was Jumbo's intention that Jonas would help Roglic to win his 4th Vuelta. In December 2022 the decision was already made by the team that Roglic could go for the win in the Giro and Vuelta this year and Vingegaard in the Tour. (Which is of course also the reason that Roglic has been preparing for this Vuelta the moment he won the Giro, and that Kuss and Vingegaard did have zero special preparation for this Vuelta.) So it is very nice of you to thank Jonas Vingegaard, but you should in fact thank Primoz Roglic. 😉✌
@@swissbiggy Woah, we have Sherlock Holmes here! Vingegaard said they should protect Sepp Kuss' lead, but management chose to let them race instead. Who would have guessed management had the last word? Thank God we have swissbuggy, 12 years old, to tell us what everyone already knows. Vingegaard was always co-leader in the Vuelta, he is the number one guy at Jumbo Visma. He is the Boss Man.
This Vuelta was taken from You Vingo. I really feel for you. You were evidently the stronger rider for some charity give away plus some mysterious event like the break away let inexplicably go 7 minutes ahead. Vast majority of channels were stuck with their Team mentality and could not read the new situation of a race that became an internal affair between riders. Also cycling is not soccer, basketball, volleyball, its an individual team that is why there is the GC and not the team times, rarely shown. Cycling is also a Team sport however its secondary to the individual racers and winners. They should have raced at their best and let the best win a simple and obvious strategy not applied resulting of Vingo putting 21 days of super hard work in vain for some charity give away and thank you for the past work? I feel for Vingo a lot, Kuss would have wanted to win the race with Roglic and Vingo putting the best foot forward. It seems a bit selfish form Kuss to demand that 2 Capitans and superstars would become your domestiques only because you are few seconds ahead? To my eyes this is your Vuelta Vingo. Net year Tour and Vuelta
@@thesuperheroteacher6101Team it is a team sport. If not for that no one would work for anyone. It would be everyone for themselves. Jonas would have to do all the work for himself. Team, it is a team sport. It is up to the other teams to attack them and drop Jonas, Sepp and Roglic and they could not.
It’s a team sport. On each stage you have a order of who get a bike if all 3 had broken chains, flat tires at the same time and Wilco had to give up his bike to one of them. Sepp took the lead in the Jersey abd that how it goes. The guy was too 10 at the tour until he crashed. He earned far more than any other winner.
Sepp Kuss got his oportunity and it paid off. He got the time on that break and became the leader. You do not attack your leader. That is what the other teams are there for.
Johan is the only one of the great comentators who really takes a step back and re-evaluate the tatics of Jumbo and make a statement about being too criticizing or misundterstanding about the other two GCs; still there are too many critics or keyboard warriors stick to their bias and regard this happy ending as the efforts of their criticism. It's really a pity.
Congratulations to All American cycling fans with a win after such a long time. Also a good nice and super talented rider, Sepp Kuss. And thx Johan lance J.B And George for all year making the podcast, i enjoyed hopefully till next year...Greetz from the Netherlands
Congratulations to sepp kuss 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰❤️.its amasing for American cycling and a Big country Like The Usa coud have More Riders in the top.congratalions from Denmark 🇩🇰 and Hard work pays out ❤
The Move failed to ask the interesting question: would Lance have sat back and worked as a domestique if trailing his own team mate by a mere 8 seconds, and thereby possibly sacrificing a grand tour win?
Impressive that Remco watches/listens and reaches out to you, Johan, and WOW, 50 wins for him already is most impressive and maybe that should be his focus, go for the win of stages and races so much that his competition and the press are always all eyes on him, especially with teammates who are breakaway specialists to provide cover and chaos. Otherwise, he rides in the shadow of Tadej and Jonas and perhaps Sepp and others in the grand tours during the next number of years? Not sure but it is fun to wonder. And I do hope that Durango puts on a welcome home show for Sepp, maybe a rider parade through town and a big community gathering. And JB, I think you're right, no more breaks for Sepp on Team JV. 😀
Mano a mano, Remco is clearly stronger than even Vingegaard. Take the team protection and towing him around away from Vingegaard and he couldn't come close to producing the kinds of results Remco produces on his own.
@@biscaynediver Remco can most definitely shine his light and ride away from most on many parcours, not sure about the highest of mountains day after day but no matter, we saw in this Vuelta a new Remco who fired on all cylinders for stage animation and wins after he dropped out of GC contention and it was fascinating to watch this new way of racing and winning for him in a grand tour--and learning, too, as he pointed to his helmet upon at least one of his stage wins in this Vuelta. And again, his win total already is incredible and that puts him in the category of his great GC contemporaries, simply tremendous.
Lol! He won’t win next year if he competes. He was able to pull it off with the help of Jonas and Primoz. Those 2 won’t do the Vuelta if Sepp goes for it next year. Against Remco, Sepp won’t win next year.
@@ekm3820 Yeah, we get it. But he can still start with the "1" placard. Nobody thinks that just because he starts with the defender's placard that the team must support him the entire way. The ones that need to be split up are Jonas and Primoz.
Im a fan of Wout and totally want one of the JV beach towels with Primoz, Wout, Jonas. **Footnote: Wout won the Tour of Britain. But the Vuelta, Horners Butterfly Effect should be ON IT today I cant wait!! Wandered over here waiting for Chris, good show you guys!! From what Ive read, I thought Lance was a Diva but he presents like a regular guy. Pretty cool. Ill tune in again. Sepp triumphed as a domestique, it is remarkable, his glory is unique, it reflected his teammates wins but he earned the Red Jersey himself. Mashallah!!
I could see Sepp being the designated backup in GC for the GTs, in case JV or PR crash out. It seemed he already was in the TdF, being in top 10 most of the way. Do his mountain pacing, but not drop far back after. Elevate his TT as he did this time. Maybe make podium, or close to it.
First of all: BIG time congratz to Seb. he really deserve this win.If Seb stays with Jumbo (as i´m sure he will), the team has suddenly a very strong card to play, in their next grand tour. They can now put him in a break away, as a danger for the other gc teams/contenders, as they now know that he can win a Grand Tour. That is a pretty good card to have on your hands. Let´s see were this takes him, and let´s see what it brings? Cheers from Denmark.
This season must have taught both Evenepeol and Pogacar that they can't go for it all if they want to compete with Vinge in GTs. He's just on another level in week 3 where he becomes a GT destroyer and going up against that with a fighting chance means cutting way back on classics and what not. I get why they tried it and thought it viable, but now they have to show they can learn and adapt.
Is Sepp going to guide Jonas or Primož up mountains in next GTs or those days are gone? Tao Geoghen-Hart comes to mind who had to go back to superdomestique duties post '20 Giro win.
This win was huge for the idea of sportsmanship in cycling. Thomas said that no one should be given anything. That’s not right. With all that Kuss has done, when he gets into a position like he did, Sportsmanship says “for everything you’ve done for this team, we want to support you in this!” We’ve never seen this type of scenario. It’s all new ground. But it sets a huge example, that is so wide.
IMO. No matter how it gets framed, Sepp wasn't given anything. The only riders that could win where members of his own team, but he earned the win by being such a strong player in their strategy over the season.
@@maddb3457 Team meeting agreed that Sepp was to be supported. I won't argue that he didn't deserve it. I'm 100% behind that reasoning. 3 tours this year, in support of the other two & he got in the right move, which put him in the jersey. I will argue that both Roglic & Jonas were both able to pass him on GC, if allowed. It wouldn't be in their best interest. They need Sepp in the Future... At least Jonas does. We'll see if Roglic signs with Ineos.
Remco’s collapse was due to nerves. Even before the race started he spoke of his fear of Roglic teamed with Vingegaard. But when Remco had Sepp minutes ahead, coupled with the dynamic duo breathing down his neck, the pressure was more than he could bear. His central nervous system literally exhausted his muscles to fatigue. Once the pressure was off, he was relaxed and reenergized. Although he remained afraid of racing up mtns directly against Roglic and Vingegaard, hence the avoidance. The day after riding Bardet off his wheel, he was more determined to show that he was the strongest, rather than do what was necessary to win. Not to give him too much credit, but he certainly could have won from that breakaway group, had he not towed them predominately. But he had proven his point by winning the previous day, then leading the next day, so winning wasn’t as important as showing his strength (to prove himself after his collapse) For one day races or short stage races, his strength, aero, and explosiveness are a lethal combo. But for a 3 week race against the best, he needs psychological help in order to practice conservation of energy.
My speculation was that Remco lost that time on purpose. he knew he couldn't compete with Jumbo . being so far back freed him up from anyone caring what he did. If he was in contention, he never would have been given free reign to join the breakaways.
@@stevenmeyer9674 I like your theory. And it has merit. However, do you believe he went easy on purpose? Willfully and intentionally? And what about the bosses and his fans; could his ego allow himself to look so bad (weak, incapable)? Or, do you think it was more of a matter of the lesser of two evils: either look bad cause he couldn’t keep up, or look bad because he had a “bad day” (ie collapse)?
@@bikerbruce1988 I think in the end, he knew that he couldn't compete with Jumbo and took it easy on purpose. The way it ended up was that he got almost as much pub for his freelancing as Sepp and Jumbo did. I think his team was on board with him going for the KOM jersey, competing for the green, and most of all being allowed in the breakaways and winning his three stages, and being in contention for at least three more.
@@stevenmeyer9674 I like it. However, your theory does require that Remco intentionally put himself out of contention for GC, which would violate the orders of his bosses and betray his entire supporting staff of riders, mechanics, and helpers who profit based on his success. If your theory is true, Remco would need to keep that tidbit of info in the closet
I'm not sure money is a big driving force for the Sepp Kuss family, he's making more than many other teams GC leader @ a tic over 2 mil a year. It will be very interesting as he digests this over the winter. What he'll want in his future.
I would love to see that as well. But sadly, probably won't happen. As a huge fan of cycling living the US, it just hurts me to my core that this amazing sport has basically disappeared here. I have a job where I meet new people all the time and the conversation often turns to sports. When I tell them I follow pro cycling like most follow the NFL, you'd think I had just told them I was from Mars.
Excellent results for a dedicated deserving cyclist. Kudo's to Sepp AKA "El Durango" 💯🚴👍🏻🇺🇸 Jumbo is going to be a Juggernaut to contend with for its competitors 🤯
I think Sepp is the first and only one ever to win all three grand tours in a single season... Not sure if any of the other Jumbo Visma riders were part of all three Grand Tours this year besides Kuss. Edit: I mean only one ever to be a part of the winning team of course.
Good show, the only little piece missing to have made it a great one was for someone to have asked Lance how he would’ve felt on Roglic shoes? What would’ve happened if George or Chechu were in yellow in front of Lance… 🤙🇺🇸🇨🇴
Sepp Kiss lives in Spain, His wife and her family are from Barcelona. The entire country of Spain treats him like a Spaniard, Of course he speaks fluent Spanish. He is an amazing person.
Jonas, who went from Judas to jesus and got roped First of all I think it is proper to congratulate JUMBO VISMO. This sport is all about making myths, history and victories for the record books and this we most say that Jumbo did The first team ever to take all 3 GTs in same season and then with 3 different raiders and then just to put the nail in the coffin with taking the podium in the Vuelta in what will be known as the best team season in history. And I have to honor THE MOVE to admit that you went overboard with emotions after stage 17. And said you were sorry for that. Johan Brynell is the only one with balls to do that. For that I salute u. Jumbo did the right thing to back Kuss up(Jonas did all along). I really think that the world went crazy and bashed Jonas and Roglic without knowing what really went on. I respect Jonas for backing KUSS up and I salute Roglic for being a racer who wants to win and that's what his team management told him to do and pay him for and that's what he did. Shame on all of the haters of Jonas and Roglic. People also forgot that this have never happened in history before. Never have Mercxk, Bernard H, Lance A or indurain ever given a Gt away to a weaker super domestique. Never , never ever has that happened before and it will hopefully never happen again. Plus, its also very rare that 3 guys from the same team leads a Gt so comfortably that they could have the luxury to decide between themselves. I think everybody was a little confused about the whole situation. Though I personally think that it would have been the right thing to let the 3 of them race each other and let the strongest win. Well I am Danish and of course a big of Jonas and therefore biased, so I would have loved him to win the tour Vuelta double as only the 4th raider in history to do that(if I remember correct), and of course next year try to do it again to be the first one ever to do it twice. For the future legacy of the great champions Roglic, Kuss and Jonas, I really hope that Roglic will move to ineos so we can have a tour battle between the 3 best GT raiders in the world next year, with extremely talented Remco as an outsider. So 4 teams with 4 super strong raiders against each other tour 24 would be great for all who loves pro cycling. Kuss (as much as I love him) has to find out, if he wants to stay as a helper to Jonas, and back him up trying to go after history and records or go for your own merits as he of course deserves in another team. If I was Jumbo management I would back Jonas up trying to become one of the Goats of GTs. Jonas has shown in this Vuelta that he has the ability to win the tour and the Vuelta in one season, which means that he has a realistic chance at getting between 8-12 grand tour victories and become one of the all-time goats of GT racing. You can only get to those numbers if you can win 2 GTs a season and don’t have to give to many potential victories away because you are a decent guy and the world think you should give a GT as a gift to a sympathetic domestigue. It is seldom that a raider comes along as Jonas, who has the potential to compete against Anquetil, Merckx and Bernard H. I am not saying he will do it, a lot has to work his way and some luck too. But obviously they have to try and make this a reality or they are nuts. So if Roglic wants more than the giro the next 2 years, he will have to move to another team and the same goes for Sepp. American media already speculating that Kuss and Jonas goes as joint leaders for the next Tour de France. Absolutely mad. It's crazy how Jonas is constantly being underestimated. He is by far the best GT raider in the world right now. Jonas has the 2nd highest vo2max on 97 ever recorded cross all elite athletes. He has made world records with watts/kg over 15 minutes climbs. All experts rant about Pogi being the best raider since Merckx. And he has beaten him the last 2 ½ tour de France, since he took over as captain in midway tour de france 21. No he has not beaten him he has destroyed him, smashing him with over 7 ½ minutes in the tour. 23 with over 20 minutes lead over top 10 guys. Come on the world is ranting about pogi and Remco. But the fact is Jonas is ithe most dominant raider since Froome. When people discuss the potential and talent of Remco many people and experts says that he is not on the level of Jonas and POGI. How the hell is Pogi compared to Jonas. Jonas did not beat him, he smashed him, he destroyed POGI in tour 23 with over 7 1/2 minutes with top 10 over 20 minutes behind. Not really a comparison when u look at the clock and final result of the last 2 tours. Even the last 3 tours in the 3rd week. This is my point. IF Jonas was from a big country with a media pron personality, he would have been praised as the new Merxk/lance in GT races. But F..k now we have to hear that KUSS should have the Vuelta, Roglic the Giro and Jonas should be satisfied with the tour. This is absolute bullshit. When u have the best GT raider on your hands, who has shown that he is capable of winning 2 GTs a year, then you should go all inn on trying to beat records and make him the sole captain of the team. If it had been ROG, POGI or Remco with those numbers and results, we would have heard about nothing else and that is a fact. Of course I'm biased as I'm danish and a Hugh fan of Jonas. But let's look at the facts. What we really know and no speculations. No matter how good a team you have, you have to climb those high-altitude mountains yourself, no wind breaker here. Same to say about ITT. No team help and the GTs get decided in the mountains and on ITTs. Jonas has not cracked once. Not once has a team mate had to slow down and help him up a mountain, not once has he been dropped severely. The most he has lost is 21 sec to Pog in the tour 23 . And no team mates were there to help him.. Not once when he got dropped did he get help to close the gap. He did it himself. The only time u can say he has had help with a setback is the couples stage tour 22, where WWA saved Jonas for a setback due to a puncture. and the team helping him when he punctured on stage 1 Vuelta TTT. Of course it helps to have a strong time with attacking so your opposition get tied, like tour stage 13 cranon, where Roglic and Jonas attacked POG over and over again. One of the best stages in history in my opinion. Which led to Pog to crack. But facts are that Remco, Roglic and POG cracks once in a while. And Jonas don't. When the others go down to 90-93% in week 3, Jonas only drops to 95-97%, (these numbers I have from their Watts/kg numbers) which is what makes him superior to the others no matter what team is behind him. He definitely has the potential and talent to make history and this is what Jumbo should try to accomplish over the next 5-6 years with Jonas as the 100% captain on the team. Plus IF KUSS and ROGLIC moves to other teams it will be more equal competition for everybody and more interesting for us spectators. My last point. Jonas is 26 years old. Found his self confidence last in his career. I don't see anybody beating him the next 2 years. Which means he will have 6 GTS when he is 28 Years old. Right now. Merxk is on 11 GT wins, Bernard H 10 and Angetill 8 GT wins. A lot of raiders on 7. If you have a raider that has the potential to go in all-time top 3 GTs, then you should go for it or you are brain dead. Eventually a new young star will come from behind. But let's face it. What is the chance that a new POGI will come along soon. A guy all the expects say is the only one in history who you can compare to Merxk. And he is not even close to beating Jonas But congrats to Jumbo And KUSS. What a fairytale win for Kuss and what a season for the greatest GT team in history
Now if he can only learn to time trial. But sometimes it is just a gift. Just ask Andy Hampsten. Oh yea, and Congrads Sepp !!!! You deserved exactly what you got and more. Incredible only one of the three that raced and also supported in all three grand tours this year.
His time trial was pretty impressive as it was. However it looks to me like he had simply never prioritized the discipline because it wasn’t in line with his goals. I mean his position and components/setup clearly weren’t anything special when you compare to the other GC guys who take TT’s seriously.
Why is everyone saying cycling is a team sport? It is geared towards individual wins and prizes and obviously behind everyone's win there is a huge team of workers like mechanics, nutritionists, massagists, domestiques, etc. You don't play a two way team vs team matches out in the field, there are no matches, but people riding bikes as fast as they can to help either their designated leader in group of riders formed and named after their main sponsor's label or ride as fast as they can for whichever tropheys they are aiming to get. TJV had to re-designate their leader in the third week due to sponsors/social media peer pressure. I sympathize with Sepp but the confusion stemmed from the internal politics of TJV itself which kinda took away the mystery of who really was the strongest rider in the Vuelta to deserve that win.
Because if it was a pure no-team every-man-for-himself, it would just me a messy Time-Trial every day. It would be zero fun to watch, the stages would be 1/2 the distance and there would be 100 cars in the caravan. Total mayhem
@@coopaloopmex so you are saying, it is all a shit show anyway, the winner is already predetermined, sponsors happy, keep the viewers guessing , create lots of drama and social media contents. It is all bs
Nope. I am saying you know that slow cat-and-mouse that goes on during 1.5km-to-0.5km? Imagine that for 150km. How mind-numbing that would be@@stefand5034
Would you be willing to speak a bit about Bora Hansgrohe? I’d be interested in your thoughts on their achievements. After all, they finished third in the team ranking
Congrats to Sepp and Jumbo V ......I don't like the colors but respect the team and my buddy rides the same bike so I feel like I'm competing against Jumbo....super awsome team tho
Finally - after Johan has received inside knowledge from team JV - an admission that the hetz against Jonas from The Move has been wrong, untruthful and, moreover, contrary to what Jonas himself has stated to the media since the rest day. The conclusion - that it is The Move that has acted untrustworthy and not Jonas, who alone, as a double winner of the Tour de France, insisted on 2 stage victories and that Roclic did not run away with the victory. And by the way, not in a million years would Armstrong have accepted that a Danish co-rider should have had a victory in a Grand Tour at his expense - do you Americans really believe that? Nor would he have been pressured into it by his team
If you take everything Vingegaard says to the media at face value you are a complete dupe or a hopeless fanboi. This guy repeatedly lies and misleads. A simple example - his interviews prior to the Tourmalet stage. He was asked about whether the team would support Kuss for the stage. He could have said "we'll see," or some other evasive answer like "I can't tell you our stratgegy for the day, tune in and watch the race." But instead he said the plan is to let the road decide, whoever is strongest we will support. The reality is, the team plan for the day was NOT to let the road decide, but to have him attack and try to win the stage and Kuss and Primoz to be held back and prevented from going with him, but instead having to stay back and cover Mas and Ayuso. He didn't have to lie in order not to reveal their plan for the day, but it comes so naturally to him, that's what he did, as he often does. Incidentally, if the TJV had let the road decide, Kuss would have won that stage and all the rest of this drama never would have happened. He was clearly the strongest on the day -- he ripped more than 35 seconds out of Vingegaard in the final 1km when he finally got cleared to go. Vingegaard's wheels were coming off in that final 1.5km, he was pedaling squares. Kuss accelerated at warp speed when they finally let him, and took that time out of Vingegaard even though he got blocked by fan interference, had to jam on the brakes on his initial acceleration, then re-accelerate.
@@biscaynediver It's useless to debate with you. Admitting you were wrong (like Johan did) is a sign of strength, but continuing with the bla bla nonsense that you do, is quite the opposite.
This would have been quite a different discussion if Kuss hadn't been american. Johan opened it just a tad with stating Kuss hadn't won it if he had been on any other team at 11:25 - and noone contradicted that - in fact agreed on it- just glided off and onwards.
The fact that Sepp is American makes no difference. A lot of the social media outrage came from the fact that he's a popular nice guy, Johan said that he's more loved in Spain than he is in America so he wouldn't have lost out on any popularity based on his nationality.
Delighted for Sepp, he is the classiest rider in pro cycling. I hope Remco rides in the TDF next year with some decent support. I didn't enjoy some of the bullshit drama, mostly other channels used for clicks, I'll take the end results, Sepp had never won a grand tour, and they didn't know if he would have a bad day or not. This has been an amazing year of racing, the best in a long time!
I think a bit of both. A lot of the team they've had been developing for a long time, and it's a lot easier to fill these specific, niche holes in the future rather than finding the next big GC star.
If JV and PR was allowed to attack Sepp, Sepp wouldn't have won so it's not true to say Sepp wasn't gifted the win, he rightly gifted the win, he deserved it.
You can say this about any sporting event. "If that one thing didn't happen"...events are not independent. No game. No racing stage. They all affect each other. How many times do we hear, "XXXX team wouldn't have made it to the world cup if YYYY other team didn't lose that game they should have won." So what
Whenever a competitor wins a race where someone stronger holds back and races at less than his or her potential it is a gift. If this was a popularity contest or best teammate award then the best man won. Nonetheless, happy for Sepp like so many are.
@@nathansmith5041 whenever the weakest contestant wins it’s a gift. If three US track stars were racing the 2nd and 3rd place in the race don’t hold back so the lead competitor wins. Primoz and Jonas were in agreement that they would let the road dictate who the winner would be not public opinion. in other words they were going to ride as a team but let the best man win. Not hard to understand really.
Finding out his grandpa has a street named for him in Leadville and his dad as well a big part of Leadville. When he retires he should take on Leadville himself
While I agree that Sepp would not have won on any other team. I also believe that he could have won the Vuelta if Jumbo had put a full team (minus Jonas and Primoz) there to support him as GC. Look how well he did in comparison to GC riders on every other team.
I didn't see that Kuss would want to go back to chase GC. (he has tried in the past with JV). He didn't like the pressure and he has found his niche as the World Class Climbing domestique. What's next for JV in the stage race? Win Tour- check. Win Giro - check. Win Vuelta - check. Win Giro, Tour, and Vuelta (treble) in one season - check. 1-2-3 podium in GT - check. Winning every single WT stage race - check (except ToS?) What's left? • Giro-Tour Double with 1 rider? • Tour-Vulta Double with 1 rider,? • Giro-Tour,-Vuelta treble in one year or one season with 1 rider (impossible?) Also, I think WVA needs to consider stopping spreading himself too thin. He might be the most versatile rider in the world, but so far he only won - one monument. MVP might not be as versatile as WVA, but he has won the biggest racse (monuments, world championship). And he is not getting younger either. MVP might not win many TDF stages, but now, he is wearing the World Championship jersey. Perhaps WVA needs to consider forgoing wasting energy chasing stage wins in the Tour or being. a climbing domestique and concentrate more on classic and WC?🤔
LANCE, I was listening to Les Rois de la Pedale today, I noticed they are already talking about the doping. French commentators are very suspicious about the JV and PR. They won every category of the season Tour de France, Gyro d'Italia and now la VUELTA. Jumbo should no longer think in terms of strong athletes, but in terms of rotation of leaders. No pressure to win from 1 to 7 tour like in the time of LA. LA what do you think?
@@gmen1305 , Neither of them since both have long ongoing contracts with their current teams. Roglic until the end of 2025 and Evenepoel until the end of 2026. This is cycling and not football where clubs pay a transfer. In cycling such amounts of money are not paid. If Ineos wants to win Grand Tours again they will have to invest in their young riders like Arensman, Rodriguez, Plapp and maybe Pidcock. (Although I do not ever see Pidcock ride a top five in a Grand Tour, a top ten is already very hard for him.) On top of that why would Roglic leave the best team in the world and join a team that can not give him the same kind of support ? Same goes for Evenepoel of course who will have a team around him that becomes better and better with each season. At this moment Ineos is not the place to be anymore, there is a reason why everyone leaves.
Primoz will move because he only has one chance to win the pinnacle GT, the TdF, with another team. TJV will support Jonas at the TdF, period. He’s the best rider and Rog cannot compete when Jonas is at his best. Primoz has one a Giro and 3 Vueltas, he wants a TdF title and will move to Ineos to attempt, he’s 33 years old.
Armstrong doubting Remco can be a GC rider because he had a bad day. Most GC rider have had a bad day. Roglic at Planche des belles filles, Pog at Col de la Loze, they're still able to win grand tours. Only Armstrong never had a bad day, wonder why.
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Yah, married to a Spanish lady (I think Catalan). He did his acceptance speech first in English, then in Spanish. His extended Spanish family was there at the finish today. Sepp is just such a great role model and emissary for American Cycling -- I'm so impressed with this fine young man and the fine young American men (and women) in the European Peleton. Great sportsmanship, unflappable, grateful to be riding, never a cross word even when it seems he was given a sh*t taco on stage 16 by his own team. Bravo 🥳💯💪🚲⚡🔥👑
Jonas rode for him - Primos is finished at Jumbo and his reputation ruined (by himself)
Visca La Barça...groetjes uit Nederland ❤
Johan Cruyff named his kid Jordi...Nobody topping that
What you talking about Willis?@@elliotoliver8679
In Spain Sepp Kuss is known as "Durango Kid", it's true that we are in love with him... Congratulations Sepp 👏👏👏❤❤❤🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦
Awesome to hear. Let's go Kuss. Thanks from am American!
yeah Javi!@@andygendron
I love this!! Tell him Go Buffs as well 🎉❤
@@SpiritualStuntman Yes, think we could get Coach Prime to coach the Broncos in a couple of years ?
How do you say it, 'el niño Durango'?
It's been a great Sepptember. He'll never have to pay for another beer in Andorra or Durango.
Right !And also Colombia where he trains every year,people love him there.
Jumbos don't drink beer
@@ironmanders3469 He'll have to go to Groupama-FDJ.
So happy for Sepp!!! What a fantastic year he had!
beat thomas by a country mile.
Johan’s perspectives and insights are above all. Reason enough to watch this first thing In the morning.
Agree. Johan is the absolute best! And I like the show better without Lance.
From Lance, to Chris Horner and now Sepp Kuss thank you for winning Grand Tour! Love it!
Let's no forget Greg LeMond
Lemond AND Hampsten.
Lance didn't win no grand tours
@@davidlindsay6223 yawn
I'm genuinely interested, which grand tours do you believe LA won?
We love Kuss in Spain
One should not understate that Jumbo-Visma really have lifted the Vuelta. They came in with two of the strongest riders in this discipline. The best team right now takes the Vuelta very serious. Otrher teams will look and say "Hey we will also focus on the Vuelta"
All three jumpers together. Awesome.
Finally see Lance again. Sepp Kuss: the first American in 10 years since Chris Horner
And the second ever...
Did Andy Hampston win it?
Sepp Kuss is an awesome domestique, pretty generous by Vingegaard to not go for the red jersey. I bet he have earned Kuss' loyalty for the coming years. Vingegaard said already on the 2nd rest day they should ride defensive and protect Kuss' lead, but management initially decided they should race for the win.
That decision didn't have anything to do with Vingegaard saying this in the press... hahaha It is Richard Plugge who made this decision. And besides that if Kuss would not have been in the lead it was Jumbo's intention that Jonas would help Roglic to win his 4th Vuelta. In December 2022 the decision was already made by the team that Roglic could go for the win in the Giro and Vuelta this year and Vingegaard in the Tour. (Which is of course also the reason that Roglic has been preparing for this Vuelta the moment he won the Giro, and that Kuss and Vingegaard did have zero special preparation for this Vuelta.)
So it is very nice of you to thank Jonas Vingegaard, but you should in fact thank Primoz Roglic. 😉✌
@@swissbiggy Woah, we have Sherlock Holmes here! Vingegaard said they should protect Sepp Kuss' lead, but management chose to let them race instead. Who would have guessed management had the last word? Thank God we have swissbuggy, 12 years old, to tell us what everyone already knows.
Vingegaard was always co-leader in the Vuelta, he is the number one guy at Jumbo Visma. He is the Boss Man.
This Vuelta was taken from You Vingo. I really feel for you. You were evidently the stronger rider for some charity give away plus some mysterious event like the break away let inexplicably go 7 minutes ahead. Vast majority of channels were stuck with their Team mentality and could not read the new situation of a race that became an internal affair between riders. Also cycling is not soccer, basketball, volleyball, its an individual team that is why there is the GC and not the team times, rarely shown. Cycling is also a Team sport however its secondary to the individual racers and winners. They should have raced at their best and let the best win a simple and obvious strategy not applied resulting of Vingo putting 21 days of super hard work in vain for some charity give away and thank you for the past work? I feel for Vingo a lot, Kuss would have wanted to win the race with Roglic and Vingo putting the best foot forward. It seems a bit selfish form Kuss to demand that 2 Capitans and superstars would become your domestiques only because you are few seconds ahead? To my eyes this is your Vuelta Vingo. Net year Tour and Vuelta
@@thesuperheroteacher6101Team it is a team sport. If not for that no one would work for anyone. It would be everyone for themselves. Jonas would have to do all the work for himself. Team, it is a team sport. It is up to the other teams to attack them and drop Jonas, Sepp and Roglic and they could not.
It’s a team sport. On each stage you have a order of who get a bike if all 3 had broken chains, flat tires at the same time and Wilco had to give up his bike to one of them. Sepp took the lead in the Jersey abd that how it goes. The guy was too 10 at the tour until he crashed. He earned far more than any other winner.
Sepp Kuss got his oportunity and it paid off. He got the time on that break and became the leader. You do not attack your leader. That is what the other teams are there for.
Been watching cycling for many years....love Sepp...sophistication is a code word folks
Jumbo Visma is the Dream Team of cycling.
Johan is the only one of the great comentators who really takes a step back and re-evaluate the tatics of Jumbo and make a statement about being too criticizing or misundterstanding about the other two GCs; still there are too many critics or keyboard warriors stick to their bias and regard this happy ending as the efforts of their criticism. It's really a pity.
You are absolutely correct.
I agree, Well spoken😊
Congratulations to All American cycling fans with a win after such a long time. Also a good nice and super talented rider, Sepp Kuss. And thx Johan lance J.B And George for all year making the podcast, i enjoyed hopefully till next year...Greetz from the Netherlands
Congratulations to sepp kuss 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰❤️.its amasing for American cycling and a Big country Like The Usa coud have More Riders in the top.congratalions from Denmark 🇩🇰 and Hard work pays out ❤
The Move failed to ask the interesting question: would Lance have sat back and worked as a domestique if trailing his own team mate by a mere 8 seconds, and thereby possibly sacrificing a grand tour win?
Haha NO
Lance is a cheater and a Pro Bully
A guy who gave a nasty stare to his teammates when they didn't do a good job? Nah.
Just look when he came back with Contador. He definitely was not working for Contador lol
Impressive that Remco watches/listens and reaches out to you, Johan, and WOW, 50 wins for him already is most impressive and maybe that should be his focus, go for the win of stages and races so much that his competition and the press are always all eyes on him, especially with teammates who are breakaway specialists to provide cover and chaos. Otherwise, he rides in the shadow of Tadej and Jonas and perhaps Sepp and others in the grand tours during the next number of years? Not sure but it is fun to wonder. And I do hope that Durango puts on a welcome home show for Sepp, maybe a rider parade through town and a big community gathering. And JB, I think you're right, no more breaks for Sepp on Team JV. 😀
Mano a mano, Remco is clearly stronger than even Vingegaard. Take the team protection and towing him around away from Vingegaard and he couldn't come close to producing the kinds of results Remco produces on his own.
@@biscaynediver Remco can most definitely shine his light and ride away from most on many parcours, not sure about the highest of mountains day after day but no matter, we saw in this Vuelta a new Remco who fired on all cylinders for stage animation and wins after he dropped out of GC contention and it was fascinating to watch this new way of racing and winning for him in a grand tour--and learning, too, as he pointed to his helmet upon at least one of his stage wins in this Vuelta. And again, his win total already is incredible and that puts him in the category of his great GC contemporaries, simply tremendous.
@@biscaynediver”Take the team away” So, literally one of the most important components of grand tour success? Got it. Apples and Oranges.
@@biscaynediver I would say Jonas’ TT at the Tour was something even Remco could aspire to.
@@RyonBeachneragreed! More than elsewhere in a grand tour it IS a team sport.
Should we start thinking about Sepp Kuss coming back to La Vuelta next year wearing number 1?
I think that makes sense. Sepp can focus on La Vuelta. Primoz on the Giro. And Jonas on the Tour. So they could clean up again next year!
WOW
Um, yeah…that’s how it works, man
Lol! He won’t win next year if he competes. He was able to pull it off with the help of Jonas and Primoz. Those 2 won’t do the Vuelta if Sepp goes for it next year. Against Remco, Sepp won’t win next year.
@@ekm3820 Yeah, we get it. But he can still start with the "1" placard. Nobody thinks that just because he starts with the defender's placard that the team must support him the entire way. The ones that need to be split up are Jonas and Primoz.
Happy birthday Lance ! 🎉🍻
Im a fan of Wout and totally want one of the JV beach towels with Primoz, Wout, Jonas. **Footnote: Wout won the Tour of Britain. But the Vuelta, Horners Butterfly Effect should be ON IT today I cant wait!! Wandered over here waiting for Chris, good show you guys!! From what Ive read, I thought Lance was a Diva but he presents like a regular guy. Pretty cool. Ill tune in again.
Sepp triumphed as a domestique, it is remarkable, his glory is unique, it reflected his teammates wins but he earned the Red Jersey himself. Mashallah!!
No, you were right. Lance IS a diva.
I could see Sepp being the designated backup in GC for the GTs, in case JV or PR crash out. It seemed he already was in the TdF, being in top 10 most of the way. Do his mountain pacing, but not drop far back after. Elevate his TT as he did this time. Maybe make podium, or close to it.
I was thinking the same thing he was 14th in the Giro and 12th in the TDF he would have been to ten in the TDF without the stage 20 crash.
TJV 👏🍾🥂
Happy birthday Lance xx
Thanks guys!
First of all: BIG time congratz to Seb. he really deserve this win.If Seb stays with Jumbo (as i´m sure he will), the team has suddenly a very strong card to play, in their next grand tour. They can now put him in a break away, as a danger for the other gc teams/contenders, as they now know that he can win a Grand Tour. That is a pretty good card to have on your hands. Let´s see were this takes him, and let´s see what it brings? Cheers from Denmark.
I agree, but it is unlikely that Sepp will ever be allowed to get in a break away again.
El Aguila de Durango vino a sobrevolar las montañas de España. Dejó un campeón. El campeón de la gente...
Johan... The other rider next to Jorgenson is Tulett, who comes from Ineos to join Jumbo-Visma. 😉
This season must have taught both Evenepeol and Pogacar that they can't go for it all if they want to compete with Vinge in GTs. He's just on another level in week 3 where he becomes a GT destroyer and going up against that with a fighting chance means cutting way back on classics and what not. I get why they tried it and thought it viable, but now they have to show they can learn and adapt.
Team JV is the 1927 Yankees of cycling... and that photo behind Johan is the proof... Primoz in rose, Jonas in yellow. & Sepp in red🤓🤓
Is Sepp going to guide Jonas or Primož up mountains in next GTs or those days are gone? Tao Geoghen-Hart comes to mind who had to go back to superdomestique duties post '20 Giro win.
This win was huge for the idea of sportsmanship in cycling. Thomas said that no one should be given anything. That’s not right. With all that Kuss has done, when he gets into a position like he did, Sportsmanship says “for everything you’ve done for this team, we want to support you in this!” We’ve never seen this type of scenario. It’s all new ground. But it sets a huge example, that is so wide.
IMO. No matter how it gets framed, Sepp wasn't given anything. The only riders that could win where members of his own team, but he earned the win by being such a strong player in their strategy over the season.
@@maddb3457 Team meeting agreed that Sepp was to be supported. I won't argue that he didn't deserve it. I'm 100% behind that reasoning. 3 tours this year, in support of the other two & he got in the right move, which put him in the jersey. I will argue that both Roglic & Jonas were both able to pass him on GC, if allowed. It wouldn't be in their best interest. They need Sepp in the Future... At least Jonas does. We'll see if Roglic signs with Ineos.
Incredible! Chapeaux TJV!! Congratulations, felicidades Sepp! 🙌🏆🥲🇺🇸🚵♀️ exemplary cyclist, gracious leader, stalwart teammate, and above all beautiful human ❤Sepp❤️
Remco’s collapse was due to nerves. Even before the race started he spoke of his fear of Roglic teamed with Vingegaard. But when Remco had Sepp minutes ahead, coupled with the dynamic duo breathing down his neck, the pressure was more than he could bear. His central nervous system literally exhausted his muscles to fatigue.
Once the pressure was off, he was relaxed and reenergized. Although he remained afraid of racing up mtns directly against Roglic and Vingegaard, hence the avoidance.
The day after riding Bardet off his wheel, he was more determined to show that he was the strongest, rather than do what was necessary to win. Not to give him too much credit, but he certainly could have won from that breakaway group, had he not towed them predominately. But he had proven his point by winning the previous day, then leading the next day, so winning wasn’t as important as showing his strength (to prove himself after his collapse)
For one day races or short stage races, his strength, aero, and explosiveness are a lethal combo. But for a 3 week race against the best, he needs psychological help in order to practice conservation of energy.
My speculation was that Remco lost that time on purpose. he knew he couldn't compete with Jumbo . being so far back freed him up from anyone caring what he did. If he was in contention, he never would have been given free reign to join the breakaways.
@@stevenmeyer9674 I like your theory. And it has merit.
However, do you believe he went easy on purpose? Willfully and intentionally? And what about the bosses and his fans; could his ego allow himself to look so bad (weak, incapable)? Or, do you think it was more of a matter of the lesser of two evils: either look bad cause he couldn’t keep up, or look bad because he had a “bad day” (ie collapse)?
@@bikerbruce1988 I think in the end, he knew that he couldn't compete with Jumbo and took it easy on purpose. The way it ended up was that he got almost as much pub for his freelancing as Sepp and Jumbo did. I think his team was on board with him going for the KOM jersey, competing for the green, and most of all being allowed in the breakaways and winning his three stages, and being in contention for at least three more.
@@stevenmeyer9674 I like it. However, your theory does require that Remco intentionally put himself out of contention for GC, which would violate the orders of his bosses and betray his entire supporting staff of riders, mechanics, and helpers who profit based on his success. If your theory is true, Remco would need to keep that tidbit of info in the closet
I have to remind people that Carapaz did the same thing. He lost time on GC. And went rampage to win 3 mountain stages and a KOM jersey.
King of Denmark, Rolf Sørensen won atleast 51 meaningful races. Remco is amazing.
Love you guys!
They made Kuss an honorary policeman in Spain...
Durango also has a D1 road racing program at Fort Lewis College.
Sepp Kiss, the red eagle of Durango!
so well resonated by J. Bruynell...reg. kuss vs jonas vs roglic and what would have happened if he rode on another team
That’s a triple crown for Sepp 🤘🤘
Jumbo invests in the best young riders and slowly bring them into the team. Ineos and Emirates just buy in established riders on huge salaries.
When he comes back to the states I hope his agent can help him monetize this win with some appearances and new sponsors. He's earned it
Maybe throw out first pitch for Colorado Rockies baseball, GMA, Oprah? Late night? Throw the kid some publicity
I'm not sure money is a big driving force for the Sepp Kuss family, he's making more than many other teams GC leader @ a tic over 2 mil a year. It will be very interesting as he digests this over the winter. What he'll want in his future.
I would love to see that as well. But sadly, probably won't happen. As a huge fan of cycling living the US, it just hurts me to my core that this amazing sport has basically disappeared here. I have a job where I meet new people all the time and the conversation often turns to sports. When I tell them I follow pro cycling like most follow the NFL, you'd think I had just told them I was from Mars.
Love the podcast guys 💪💪💪
Great that since Greg LeMond an American finally managed to win a grand tour.
Excellent results for a dedicated deserving cyclist. Kudo's to Sepp AKA "El Durango" 💯🚴👍🏻🇺🇸
Jumbo is going to be a Juggernaut to contend with for its competitors 🤯
I think Sepp is the first and only one ever to win all three grand tours in a single season... Not sure if any of the other Jumbo Visma riders were part of all three Grand Tours this year besides Kuss.
Edit: I mean only one ever to be a part of the winning team of course.
EVEN MORE Exceptional analysis and insight......"The Move" is #1....and I can't see #2 it's so far BEHIND The Move.
Those specs are dope Lance!!
Good show, the only little piece missing to have made it a great one was for someone to have asked Lance how he would’ve felt on Roglic shoes? What would’ve happened if George or Chechu were in yellow in front of Lance…
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There is a reason, they didn't ask him. He obviously would have torn their heads off. No way Lance would accept a teammate to win over him.
@@Shantiante
That’s what I was thinking… 🤔
Sepp Kiss lives in Spain, His wife and her family are from Barcelona. The entire country of Spain treats him like a Spaniard, Of course he speaks fluent Spanish. He is an amazing person.
Jonas, who went from Judas to jesus and got roped
First of all I think it is proper to congratulate JUMBO VISMO. This sport is all about making myths, history and victories for the record books and this we most say that Jumbo did The first team ever to take all 3 GTs in same season and then with 3 different raiders and then just to put the nail in the coffin with taking the podium in the Vuelta in what will be known as the best team season in history. And I have to honor THE MOVE to admit that you went overboard with emotions after stage 17. And said you were sorry for that. Johan Brynell is the only one with balls to do that. For that I salute u. Jumbo did the right thing to back Kuss up(Jonas did all along). I really think that the world went crazy and bashed Jonas and Roglic without knowing what really went on. I respect Jonas for backing KUSS up and I salute Roglic for being a racer who wants to win and that's what his team management told him to do and pay him for and that's what he did. Shame on all of the haters of Jonas and Roglic. People also forgot that this have never happened in history before. Never have Mercxk, Bernard H, Lance A or indurain ever given a Gt away to a weaker super domestique. Never , never ever has that happened before and it will hopefully never happen again. Plus, its also very rare that 3 guys from the same team leads a Gt so comfortably that they could have the luxury to decide between themselves. I think everybody was a little confused about the whole situation. Though I personally think that it would have been the right thing to let the 3 of them race each other and let the strongest win. Well I am Danish and of course a big of Jonas and therefore biased, so I would have loved him to win the tour Vuelta double as only the 4th raider in history to do that(if I remember correct), and of course next year try to do it again to be the first one ever to do it twice. For the future legacy of the great champions Roglic, Kuss and Jonas, I really hope that Roglic will move to ineos so we can have a tour battle between the 3 best GT raiders in the world next year, with extremely talented Remco as an outsider. So 4 teams with 4 super strong raiders against each other tour 24 would be great for all who loves pro cycling. Kuss (as much as I love him) has to find out, if he wants to stay as a helper to Jonas, and back him up trying to go after history and records or go for your own merits as he of course deserves in another team. If I was Jumbo management I would back Jonas up trying to become one of the Goats of GTs. Jonas has shown in this Vuelta that he has the ability to win the tour and the Vuelta in one season, which means that he has a realistic chance at getting between 8-12 grand tour victories and become one of the all-time goats of GT racing. You can only get to those numbers if you can win 2 GTs a season and don’t have to give to many potential victories away because you are a decent guy and the world think you should give a GT as a gift to a sympathetic domestigue. It is seldom that a raider comes along as Jonas, who has the potential to compete against Anquetil, Merckx and Bernard H. I am not saying he will do it, a lot has to work his way and some luck too. But obviously they have to try and make this a reality or they are nuts. So if Roglic wants more than the giro the next 2 years, he will have to move to another team and the same goes for Sepp. American media already speculating that Kuss and Jonas goes as joint leaders for the next Tour de France. Absolutely mad. It's crazy how Jonas is constantly being underestimated. He is by far the best GT raider in the world right now. Jonas has the 2nd highest vo2max on 97 ever recorded cross all elite athletes. He has made world records with watts/kg over 15 minutes climbs. All experts rant about Pogi being the best raider since Merckx. And he has beaten him the last 2 ½ tour de France, since he took over as captain in midway tour de france 21. No he has not beaten him he has destroyed him, smashing him with over 7 ½ minutes in the tour. 23 with over 20 minutes lead over top 10 guys. Come on the world is ranting about pogi and Remco. But the fact is Jonas is ithe most dominant raider since Froome. When people discuss the potential and talent of Remco many people and experts says that he is not on the level of Jonas and POGI. How the hell is Pogi compared to Jonas. Jonas did not beat him, he smashed him, he destroyed POGI in tour 23 with over 7 1/2 minutes with top 10 over 20 minutes behind. Not really a comparison when u look at the clock and final result of the last 2 tours. Even the last 3 tours in the 3rd week. This is my point. IF Jonas was from a big country with a media pron personality, he would have been praised as the new Merxk/lance in GT races. But F..k now we have to hear that KUSS should have the Vuelta, Roglic the Giro and Jonas should be satisfied with the tour. This is absolute bullshit. When u have the best GT raider on your hands, who has shown that he is capable of winning 2 GTs a year, then you should go all inn on trying to beat records and make him the sole captain of the team. If it had been ROG, POGI or Remco with those numbers and results, we would have heard about nothing else and that is a fact. Of course I'm biased as I'm danish and a Hugh fan of Jonas. But let's look at the facts. What we really know and no speculations. No matter how good a team you have, you have to climb those high-altitude mountains yourself, no wind breaker here. Same to say about ITT. No team help and the GTs get decided in the mountains and on ITTs. Jonas has not cracked once. Not once has a team mate had to slow down and help him up a mountain, not once has he been dropped severely. The most he has lost is 21 sec to Pog in the tour 23 . And no team mates were there to help him.. Not once when he got dropped did he get help to close the gap. He did it himself. The only time u can say he has had help with a setback is the couples stage tour 22, where WWA saved Jonas for a setback due to a puncture. and the team helping him when he punctured on stage 1 Vuelta TTT. Of course it helps to have a strong time with attacking so your opposition get tied, like tour stage 13 cranon, where Roglic and Jonas attacked POG over and over again. One of the best stages in history in my opinion. Which led to Pog to crack. But facts are that Remco, Roglic and POG cracks once in a while. And Jonas don't. When the others go down to 90-93% in week 3, Jonas only drops to 95-97%, (these numbers I have from their Watts/kg numbers) which is what makes him superior to the others no matter what team is behind him. He definitely has the potential and talent to make history and this is what Jumbo should try to accomplish over the next 5-6 years with Jonas as the 100% captain on the team. Plus IF KUSS and ROGLIC moves to other teams it will be more equal competition for everybody and more interesting for us spectators. My last point. Jonas is 26 years old. Found his self confidence last in his career. I don't see anybody beating him the next 2 years. Which means he will have 6 GTS when he is 28 Years old. Right now. Merxk is on 11 GT wins, Bernard H 10 and Angetill 8 GT wins. A lot of raiders on 7. If you have a raider that has the potential to go in all-time top 3 GTs, then you should go for it or you are brain dead. Eventually a new young star will come from behind. But let's face it. What is the chance that a new POGI will come along soon. A guy all the expects say is the only one in history who you can compare to Merxk. And he is not even close to beating Jonas
But congrats to Jumbo And KUSS. What a fairytale win for Kuss and what a season for the greatest GT team in history
This may be the longest comment ever posted on RUclips.
@@RyonBeachner thx did you read it
Now if he can only learn to time trial. But sometimes it is just a gift. Just ask Andy Hampsten. Oh yea, and Congrads Sepp !!!! You deserved exactly what you got and more. Incredible only one of the three that raced and also supported in all three grand tours this year.
His time trial was pretty impressive as it was. However it looks to me like he had simply never prioritized the discipline because it wasn’t in line with his goals. I mean his position and components/setup clearly weren’t anything special when you compare to the other GC guys who take TT’s seriously.
What a happy ending for a potentially volatile situation at Jumbo-Vee.
Why is everyone saying cycling is a team sport? It is geared towards individual wins and prizes and obviously behind everyone's win there is a huge team of workers like mechanics, nutritionists, massagists, domestiques, etc. You don't play a two way team vs team matches out in the field, there are no matches, but people riding bikes as fast as they can to help either their designated leader in group of riders formed and named after their main sponsor's label or ride as fast as they can for whichever tropheys they are aiming to get. TJV had to re-designate their leader in the third week due to sponsors/social media peer pressure. I sympathize with Sepp but the confusion stemmed from the internal politics of TJV itself which kinda took away the mystery of who really was the strongest rider in the Vuelta to deserve that win.
Because if it was a pure no-team every-man-for-himself, it would just me a messy Time-Trial every day. It would be zero fun to watch, the stages would be 1/2 the distance and there would be 100 cars in the caravan. Total mayhem
@@coopaloopmex so you are saying, it is all a shit show anyway, the winner is already predetermined, sponsors happy, keep the viewers guessing , create lots of drama and social media contents. It is all bs
Nope. I am saying you know that slow cat-and-mouse that goes on during 1.5km-to-0.5km? Imagine that for 150km. How mind-numbing that would be@@stefand5034
Ah a one team 1,2,3. Takes me back to the glory days of Gewiss Ballan.
congrats to Sepp-a-Ku! Perhaps he can elevate the status of the super-domestique and give more depth to the story going forward.
Would you be willing to speak a bit about Bora Hansgrohe? I’d be interested in your thoughts on their achievements. After all, they finished third in the team ranking
Lance Armstrong checking in from the space station.
Imagine the line up Jumbo for the tour next year Vingegaard Roglic Kuss Van Aert
@@TimS-i4v and he is a selfish prick
For the amount of ad reads you would think they would have better lighting and audio
St. Sepp of the Mountains! Love this kid. 🚵♀️
If Sepp arranges a Durango to Silverton and back train ride, I'm buying tickets and going.
Congrats to Sepp and Jumbo V ......I don't like the colors but respect the team and my buddy rides the same bike so I feel like I'm competing against Jumbo....super awsome team tho
Finally - after Johan has received inside knowledge from team JV - an admission that the hetz against Jonas from The Move has been wrong, untruthful and, moreover, contrary to what Jonas himself has stated to the media since the rest day. The conclusion - that it is The Move that has acted untrustworthy and not Jonas, who alone, as a double winner of the Tour de France, insisted on 2 stage victories and that Roclic did not run away with the victory.
And by the way, not in a million years would Armstrong have accepted that a Danish co-rider should have had a victory in a Grand Tour at his expense - do you Americans really believe that? Nor would he have been pressured into it by his team
If you take everything Vingegaard says to the media at face value you are a complete dupe or a hopeless fanboi. This guy repeatedly lies and misleads. A simple example - his interviews prior to the Tourmalet stage. He was asked about whether the team would support Kuss for the stage. He could have said "we'll see," or some other evasive answer like "I can't tell you our stratgegy for the day, tune in and watch the race." But instead he said the plan is to let the road decide, whoever is strongest we will support. The reality is, the team plan for the day was NOT to let the road decide, but to have him attack and try to win the stage and Kuss and Primoz to be held back and prevented from going with him, but instead having to stay back and cover Mas and Ayuso. He didn't have to lie in order not to reveal their plan for the day, but it comes so naturally to him, that's what he did, as he often does. Incidentally, if the TJV had let the road decide, Kuss would have won that stage and all the rest of this drama never would have happened. He was clearly the strongest on the day -- he ripped more than 35 seconds out of Vingegaard in the final 1km when he finally got cleared to go. Vingegaard's wheels were coming off in that final 1.5km, he was pedaling squares. Kuss accelerated at warp speed when they finally let him, and took that time out of Vingegaard even though he got blocked by fan interference, had to jam on the brakes on his initial acceleration, then re-accelerate.
@@biscaynediver you are way off on you take on Jonas. But hey i dont blame you, with the amarican media everyting most look fake.
@@biscaynediver
🤡 You are a fool, i pity the fool 🤡
@@biscaynediver It's useless to debate with you. Admitting you were wrong (like Johan did) is a sign of strength, but continuing with the bla bla nonsense that you do, is quite the opposite.
@@oleandersen5634Agree
The Eagle of Durango has landed!
One of the most popular Champ in world of cycling = Sepp K!
Thank you Johan
This would have been quite a different discussion if Kuss hadn't been american. Johan opened it just a tad with stating Kuss hadn't won it if he had been on any other team at 11:25 - and noone contradicted that - in fact agreed on it- just glided off and onwards.
The fact that Sepp is American makes no difference. A lot of the social media outrage came from the fact that he's a popular nice guy, Johan said that he's more loved in Spain than he is in America so he wouldn't have lost out on any popularity based on his nationality.
An American on top of a Grand Tour, will we see a new big American Team soon? It could something like Team TeslaX.
Delighted for Sepp, he is the classiest rider in pro cycling. I hope Remco rides in the TDF next year with some decent support. I didn't enjoy some of the bullshit drama, mostly other channels used for clicks, I'll take the end results, Sepp had never won a grand tour, and they didn't know if he would have a bad day or not. This has been an amazing year of racing, the best in a long time!
What better explains JV's success in building a superstar team: spotting under-the-radar talent or just spending the right money on the right riders?
I think a bit of both. A lot of the team they've had been developing for a long time, and it's a lot easier to fill these specific, niche holes in the
future rather than finding the next big GC star.
Hey LA ….what’s going on with the Clarke Kent glasses….dude?😊
Sepp Kuss is my GUY! 🎉
If JV and PR was allowed to attack Sepp, Sepp wouldn't have won so it's not true to say Sepp wasn't gifted the win, he rightly gifted the win, he deserved it.
GC Kuss - Dance like Lance!
I'm happy for Sepp, but ... if Remco hadn't had that day off I don't think he would have won the Vuelta
You can say this about any sporting event. "If that one thing didn't happen"...events are not independent. No game. No racing stage. They all affect each other. How many times do we hear, "XXXX team wouldn't have made it to the world cup if YYYY other team didn't lose that game they should have won." So what
All three grand tours, all three won by different riders, on the same team..
Lance❤
Whenever a competitor wins a race where someone stronger holds back and races at less than his or her potential it is a gift. If this was a popularity contest or best teammate award then the best man won. Nonetheless, happy for Sepp like so many are.
They are on the same team lol they are not competitors.
@@nathansmith5041 whenever the weakest contestant wins it’s a gift. If three US track stars were racing the 2nd and 3rd place in the race don’t hold back so the lead competitor wins. Primoz and Jonas were in agreement that they would let the road dictate who the winner would be not public opinion. in other words they were going to ride as a team but let the best man win. Not hard to understand really.
@@luiscolon921 why did you type out your first comment again lmao bro is truly heated
@@nathansmith5041 just restating a fact with a little more detail, did u take offense? all pro cyclists are competitors. especially GC leaders.
17:04 JB clearly hasn’t been watching NBC coverage. Bob Roll hasn’t said Kuss with out Durango. 😂
Hi Remco, if in addition to listening to the podcast, you also read the comments!
Super domesticque, super champion, super pro...
Tom Danielson had ties with Durango. Didn't realised he's lost a finger to Cancer. :p
Finding out his grandpa has a street named for him in Leadville and his dad as well a big part of Leadville.
When he retires he should take on Leadville himself
I'm sure he would. He started out as a mountain biker, and was a collegiate national champ in XC, before switching to road
I wish Lance and Jorge would have broke down the role of a leader and how this situation would have effected them during their time.
Sepp lives in Spain so he is home at the moment.
It's more of a commercial win, Cervelo has to overtake sells in the US from Specialized.
While I agree that Sepp would not have won on any other team. I also believe that he could have won the Vuelta if Jumbo had put a full team (minus Jonas and Primoz) there to support him as GC. Look how well he did in comparison to GC riders on every other team.
I didn't see that Kuss would want to go back to chase GC. (he has tried in the past with JV). He didn't like the pressure and he has found his niche as the World Class Climbing domestique.
What's next for JV in the stage race? Win Tour- check. Win Giro - check. Win Vuelta - check. Win Giro, Tour, and Vuelta (treble) in one season - check. 1-2-3 podium in GT - check. Winning every single WT stage race - check (except ToS?)
What's left?
• Giro-Tour Double with 1 rider?
• Tour-Vulta Double with 1 rider,?
• Giro-Tour,-Vuelta treble in one year or one season with 1 rider (impossible?)
Also, I think WVA needs to consider stopping spreading himself too thin. He might be the most versatile rider in the world, but so far he only won - one monument. MVP might not be as versatile as WVA, but he has won the biggest racse (monuments, world championship). And he is not getting younger either. MVP might not win many TDF stages, but now, he is wearing the World Championship jersey. Perhaps WVA needs to consider forgoing wasting energy chasing stage wins in the Tour or being. a climbing domestique and concentrate more on classic and WC?🤔
LANCE, I was listening to Les Rois de la Pedale today, I noticed they are already talking about the doping. French commentators are very suspicious about the JV and PR. They won every category of the season Tour de France, Gyro d'Italia and now la VUELTA. Jumbo should no longer think in terms of strong athletes, but in terms of rotation of leaders. No pressure to win from 1 to 7 tour like in the time of LA. LA what do you think?
Please can we see Roglic in Ineos next year please? it would be a lot more fun!!!!!
I bet you see Remco with Ineos next year
@@gmen1305 , Neither of them since both have long ongoing contracts with their current teams. Roglic until the end of 2025 and Evenepoel until the end of 2026. This is cycling and not football where clubs pay a transfer. In cycling such amounts of money are not paid. If Ineos wants to win Grand Tours again they will have to invest in their young riders like Arensman, Rodriguez, Plapp and maybe Pidcock. (Although I do not ever see Pidcock ride a top five in a Grand Tour, a top ten is already very hard for him.)
On top of that why would Roglic leave the best team in the world and join a team that can not give him the same kind of support ? Same goes for Evenepoel of course who will have a team around him that becomes better and better with each season.
At this moment Ineos is not the place to be anymore, there is a reason why everyone leaves.
Primoz will move because he only has one chance to win the pinnacle GT, the TdF, with another team. TJV will support Jonas at the TdF, period. He’s the best rider and Rog cannot compete when Jonas is at his best. Primoz has one a Giro and 3 Vueltas, he wants a TdF title and will move to Ineos to attempt, he’s 33 years old.
Bubbles!!!
KUSS KUSS KUSS KUSS KUSS KUSSSSSSSSSSSS SEPPY SEPPY SEPPY LETS GOOOOOOOOOHOGOGOGOGO
INEOS I love Rod Ellingworth, but they were feared and consistent winners under Sir Dave 🤷
Inneos Need David back urgently
They need to let powless go for the GC. He's more of a 1 day classic guy but why not.
Don’t you have to be like 80 before you call a 29 year old a kid.😂
I was thinking exactly the same LOL
Armstrong doubting Remco can be a GC rider because he had a bad day. Most GC rider have had a bad day. Roglic at Planche des belles filles, Pog at Col de la Loze, they're still able to win grand tours. Only Armstrong never had a bad day, wonder why.
Tadej Pogacar is still the Best in Cycling. He just needs to race smarter and not have bad luck.
All knows Vingegaard coud Win if he wanted 😂😂😂