Defensive is a great skill mid league after everyone has guardspammed their front line, it's a real spanner in the works. To be given it for free is even better...no spp increase for further skills and doesn't take up one of the six advancement slots. An excellent starting skill...
The thing Ben failed to mention is one of the reasons I love On the Ball and that is that the movement from OtB at the kick-off is before the ball lands! So there is a good chance that you get a free catch roll when the ball drops!
Seems that the regenerated Amazon team are all about disrupting the opposition. From the blockers with Defensive, to the snake man and frog lady stars who dodgestep where you want. A very technical team.
On the Dungeonbowl roster update from what I’ve seen, Throwers and Blitzers are 5k cheaper and Blockers are 10k cheaper than their BB counterparts. Will be interested to see if you do an updated College of Heavens vid to talk about how Amazons shake up that roster. Heavens has received two updates now, first adding some Norse players and now Amazons - turning a roster I have no interest in into one I’m quite keen to build a Dungeonbowl team for! :)
Dam op, its the opposite to the norse team but with more options. Hit and run. Without even looking at the the rules I would say using it with a frenzy is a no if you have no movement left. As you can't frenzy if you don't have any movement left. You can of course can use the going for it.
Losing 4xBlock peices hurts the new Amazon roster a lot in tournaments, where a couple of those would also probably have guard. The offset however is this lot are gonna be a much better team for league play as traditionally in a long league that's where Amazon's started to lose their power. That Jag is disgusting. 1 Block skillup and you have an even better Blitzer than before. Even the new blitzers are better than the old once once they get Block. Conclusion: They're still good, but they're not coming off the blocks like Usain Bolt, now they're more Mo Farah. Takes longer for them to really shine.
Just getting into blood bowl and find your video super useful in understanding the basic tactics and strategies for teams. I've bought into Norse and Amazons as they seem most fun as teams, but seasoned players suck their teeth and say 'good luck' a lot. What could possibly go wrong!
Sorry, Ben, there's a good chance that your beloved Gutter Runners may drop to fourth place on the totally unofficial DBBB best positional in BB20 Power Rankings, the Jags look intriguing. The ladies may have lost their four blodgers, but I think that will be a temporary thing in league play and what they have in recompense is quite unique.
Is "hit and run" used after or instead the optional movement that comes with a "pow" or "push"? Additional is awesome to grab the ball after punch the enemy carrier
I think in the league I'm going into next year they will do great. Somehow without starting with block it makes them safer when they get it mid way through the league. They have a lot more tools without base block making them oppressive early. They're just really fast and defensive. I like it more than old Amazons which I did fine with last league.
Disagree that the blockers are fair. Compare to chaos blockers. For 10k more, they lose AV, gain MA, Dodge, & Defensive? And 6 SPP is all it takes to make them Str 4 blodgers. What I want to know is what the formula for valuing players is, because apparently two skills are only worth 10k. Makes zero sense to me.
@@nathanstruble2177 mutation access is certainly nice, but realistically, how often are you going to chose a mutation over block for your first skill? And when that chosen blocker finally gets block, the Amazon is a blodger.
I find these roster very unbalanced. The blockers are maybe the best positionnal in the game, while the throwers are basically useless : poor thrower with PA3+, no sure hands, no viable target (no catcher), not even a good leader caddy since you have 1 linewoman + 1 team reroll for only 10k more and without spending any SPP.
This is how I feel... they essentially get 4 possitional players and that's about it... the numbers are so stiflingly low that you are gonna see essentially the same teams everytime. Maaaaybe 1 thrower to be a ball scooper... but the lack of sure hands is so bad at AG3+
Yeah it also seems a bit of a waste of the pass skill tbh. Think they would have been better going for a 'runner' positional. A fast player with Sure Hands and Sidestep, to add to this team's disruptive play style?
@@grumpfable yeah, who are putting catch on to try to receive the pass from this thrower… And how do you justify missing block or guard, or tackle, or any other more useful skills… This team needs a lot of work to try to show horn a passing game onto it. Sure hands instead of pass? All of the sudden the “thrower” can use on the ball on kick off return to give you burst of movement into a hand off to move the ball up the field with exciting traits. This team just feels so incomplete out of the box…
I don't think Hit and Run works with Blitzing. I agree with you that you blitzers double as receivers so Sprint/Sure Feet and Catch are good choices. The blocker would be good with Block and Stand Firm.
It wouldn't have worked under the old LRB rules, but in the new rules Blitizing includes a Block Action in addition to a Move Action. It would have to be written like Brawler to specifically disallow on Blitzes..
Hit and Run should be just that - not allowing you to move after. I’m good with the “escape” but not against Tackle or Wrestle. There is literally no down side to this skill.
How would it not make sense lore wise? Surviving in the jungle of Lustria, especially with all those dinosaurs running around, would require a decent amount of strength
@@nathanstruble2177 cause an orc is strength 3 and they have fucking gorrilla steroid infused muscles. A saurus is strength 4 and it is a literal dinosaur
I don't think GW is too concerned with lore, otherwise Skaven would have more expensive rerolls (chronic backstabbing) and animosity (they hate each other).
Also this is isn't even about the blo ker being female. It's more to do with it being a non-star player human. Look at Norse linemen and berserkers. Also it doesn't seem balanced game wise. This piece has it all as described in the video
Defensive is a great skill mid league after everyone has guardspammed their front line, it's a real spanner in the works. To be given it for free is even better...no spp increase for further skills and doesn't take up one of the six advancement slots. An excellent starting skill...
The thing Ben failed to mention is one of the reasons I love On the Ball and that is that the movement from OtB at the kick-off is before the ball lands! So there is a good chance that you get a free catch roll when the ball drops!
Seems that the regenerated Amazon team are all about disrupting the opposition. From the blockers with Defensive, to the snake man and frog lady stars who dodgestep where you want. A very technical team.
On the Dungeonbowl roster update from what I’ve seen, Throwers and Blitzers are 5k cheaper and Blockers are 10k cheaper than their BB counterparts.
Will be interested to see if you do an updated College of Heavens vid to talk about how Amazons shake up that roster. Heavens has received two updates now, first adding some Norse players and now Amazons - turning a roster I have no interest in into one I’m quite keen to build a Dungeonbowl team for! :)
Amazing thanks, I am having a lot of fun with the Amazons for sure.
Dam op, its the opposite to the norse team but with more options.
Hit and run. Without even looking at the the rules I would say using it with a frenzy is a no if you have no movement left.
As you can't frenzy if you don't have any movement left. You can of course can use the going for it.
I’m about to pick this team up as my very first team against my wife who is going to be playing wood elves! Hope we have fun with this game!!!
Please can you do an updated tournament roster build video?
Losing 4xBlock peices hurts the new Amazon roster a lot in tournaments, where a couple of those would also probably have guard. The offset however is this lot are gonna be a much better team for league play as traditionally in a long league that's where Amazon's started to lose their power.
That Jag is disgusting. 1 Block skillup and you have an even better Blitzer than before. Even the new blitzers are better than the old once once they get Block.
Conclusion: They're still good, but they're not coming off the blocks like Usain Bolt, now they're more Mo Farah. Takes longer for them to really shine.
Just getting into blood bowl and find your video super useful in understanding the basic tactics and strategies for teams. I've bought into Norse and Amazons as they seem most fun as teams, but seasoned players suck their teeth and say 'good luck' a lot. What could possibly go wrong!
low armour both teams
The Blitzer can be developed to be a natural one turner!
+Mv twice, sprint gives 12 squares. Add in a Hit and Run free movement!
Sorry, Ben, there's a good chance that your beloved Gutter Runners may drop to fourth place on the totally unofficial DBBB best positional in BB20 Power Rankings, the Jags look intriguing. The ladies may have lost their four blodgers, but I think that will be a temporary thing in league play and what they have in recompense is quite unique.
I love the Amazon Ladies great to play as but I've absolutely hated painting them, give me a nice big chunky troll or Orc to paint any day 😆
Will you do the other team again soon ?
sadly i wish i knew how to 3d print. so i could print the futurama amazonians and use those women as piece.
Commission a 3d artist.
Vampire blitzers don't have block either xD but then they are a team of legends so that is always subject to change.
In dungeon bowl Pestigors and Khornegors are listed as Blitzers and no block either!
Giving them two Chaos Warriors with dodge,defense and more movement is ridiculous
I can see happening is they can’t take frenzy, similar to not being allowed to take grab after frenzy and vice versa
I would actually consider dump-off on that thrower.
Thanks
Is "hit and run" used after or instead the optional movement that comes with a "pow" or "push"? Additional is awesome to grab the ball after punch the enemy carrier
Since it's after a Block action, it is after you go through the whole process, including potential armor/injury rolls.
@@nathanstruble2177 make sense, thanks
Do I need one or two boxes to play the full rooster?
Looks like we’ll need some more linewomen, it’s a 1 box team but will probably need linewomen if we wanna play it in a league
It can definitely be played with one, but think I will prefer the extra Linewomen
I think in the league I'm going into next year they will do great. Somehow without starting with block it makes them safer when they get it mid way through the league. They have a lot more tools without base block making them oppressive early.
They're just really fast and defensive. I like it more than old Amazons which I did fine with last league.
Disagree that the blockers are fair. Compare to chaos blockers. For 10k more, they lose AV, gain MA, Dodge, & Defensive? And 6 SPP is all it takes to make them Str 4 blodgers.
What I want to know is what the formula for valuing players is, because apparently two skills are only worth 10k. Makes zero sense to me.
Chaos Chosen Blockers have access to Mutations as Primary, and you can have 4 of them, which is where the extra value/cost comes in.
@@nathanstruble2177 mutation access is certainly nice, but realistically, how often are you going to chose a mutation over block for your first skill? And when that chosen blocker finally gets block, the Amazon is a blodger.
@@OmegaDestroyer99 why are you only looking at 1st skill. CWs get Claw on 2nd or 3rd depending on the meta.
I find these roster very unbalanced. The blockers are maybe the best positionnal in the game, while the throwers are basically useless : poor thrower with PA3+, no sure hands, no viable target (no catcher), not even a good leader caddy since you have 1 linewoman + 1 team reroll for only 10k more and without spending any SPP.
This is how I feel... they essentially get 4 possitional players and that's about it... the numbers are so stiflingly low that you are gonna see essentially the same teams everytime.
Maaaaybe 1 thrower to be a ball scooper... but the lack of sure hands is so bad at AG3+
Ouch what a zinger! Ben's comments sections need to have an icon for GWWR games workshop warning rated, or they will all be off on stress leave
Yeah it also seems a bit of a waste of the pass skill tbh. Think they would have been better going for a 'runner' positional. A fast player with Sure Hands and Sidestep, to add to this team's disruptive play style?
Thrower may be a useful player in tournament format, but I don't see any reason to buy it before playing a good amount of games in league format.
@@grumpfable yeah, who are putting catch on to try to receive the pass from this thrower… And how do you justify missing block or guard, or tackle, or any other more useful skills…
This team needs a lot of work to try to show horn a passing game onto it.
Sure hands instead of pass? All of the sudden the “thrower” can use on the ball on kick off return to give you burst of movement into a hand off to move the ball up the field with exciting traits.
This team just feels so incomplete out of the box…
I don't think Hit and Run works with Blitzing. I agree with you that you blitzers double as receivers so Sprint/Sure Feet and Catch are good choices. The blocker would be good with Block and Stand Firm.
Hit & Run does work on the Blitz, since Block Action is done as part of a Blitz.
It wouldn't have worked under the old LRB rules, but in the new rules Blitizing includes a Block Action in addition to a Move Action. It would have to be written like Brawler to specifically disallow on Blitzes..
Yeah "Blitzers" are definitely the Catcher template and not Blitzers in this roster.
Hit and Run should be just that - not allowing you to move after. I’m good with the “escape” but not against Tackle or Wrestle. There is literally no down side to this skill.
Why strength 4 blocker? Definitely makes no sense lore or game wise
How would it not make sense lore wise? Surviving in the jungle of Lustria, especially with all those dinosaurs running around, would require a decent amount of strength
@@nathanstruble2177 cause an orc is strength 3 and they have fucking gorrilla steroid infused muscles. A saurus is strength 4 and it is a literal dinosaur
Because GW needed to include a strong independent wammin to keep the woke crowd from cancelling them. Not even joking...
I don't think GW is too concerned with lore, otherwise Skaven would have more expensive rerolls (chronic backstabbing) and animosity (they hate each other).
Also this is isn't even about the blo ker being female. It's more to do with it being a non-star player human. Look at Norse linemen and berserkers. Also it doesn't seem balanced game wise. This piece has it all as described in the video
The blitzer is a runner and the thrower is useless. Every amazon team will be 7 linewomen, 2 runners, 2 blockers. Boring. I wanted to love this team.
Jaguar Warrior Blockers are the dumbest thing ive seen in BB. GW why you need to do dumb things like this?
Did you fail to notice the Keg strapped to a Boar on the Norse team? Your argument is invalid. 🤣