There are Native Americans with HEBREW and other Middle-Eastern languages and customs PRESERVED in their tribes even to this day. It's an undeniable fact. Enjoy! ruclips.net/video/1vcem3miWvY/видео.html
Hay Michael, on my farm is a large flat stone sitting in a stone circle that has what looks like Hebrew writing on it. It's on an ancient quartz quarry high up on a ridge. The people here carved images into white quartz of themselves. They were incredible artists and astronomers. A lost people for sure.
My issue with Zarahemla being in Iowa is that it's so far from any mountains. Mountains factor into battles that occurred in or around Zarahemla. The Lamanites and the G. Robbers came out of the mountains to attack. That's a long way from the Appalachians or even the Ozarks.
@@johnmohon6313 400 AD was only 1600 years ago. There were no mountains anywhere near that spot. Iowa doesn't work for Zarahemla. The only major geographic changes from that time were the recession of the Great Lakes. There was significantly more water 1600 years ago. But no mountains in there.
@@RAF71chingachgook well like I said I don't know , but I do know that there was massive logging that changed the geographic landscape and I do know being from Tennessee that when water is either pumped into a valley or drained out it definitely looks different but I don't know what I do know is I did not live back then so no one really knows but the people who lived back then I all so believe in Joseph Smith as much as I do in Santa Claus
If I could make a suggestion, it would be helpful if there was a site or document that you could link that contained sources for these claims and parallels. For example, it would be nice to know to which Hopewell sites you refer when you mention ~500 BC sites in Florida, the Carolinas, Tennessee, and Iowa. I'd also love to read more about the Algonquin and Iroquois origin stories/oral traditions referenced in this video - sources for those would also be appreciated.
"1. For the civilizations from 500 B.C - 400 A.D., he ignores that this group existed prior to living in this area, that Joseph Smith would have grown up around these and similar ruins (so there is the possibility of overlap), but Joseph Smith also claimed that there were only two migrations which destroys the possibility of the ancestors of these indians. Add to the fact that they don't have Jewish DNA and you've disproven the hopewell claim. They don't have swords or metal armor dating from a Columbia timeline. That's just wrong. 2. Haplogroup X doesn't help Jewish lineage. 3. Hebrew Artifacts/writing are equally problematic. He left out that they're proven hoaxes or don't match up timewise to the nephites. It would have been easier to identify if he could go through each, but we do what we do. 4. He's basically regurgitating the claims of Wayne May and others, which is problematic - see the source for rebutals to his white god claim. 5. The Phoenician ship he is likely referencing was traveling around the tip of Africa (as per this apologetic website, because no one else seems to make this leap). Traveling around and near a large landmass is dramatically different than ocean travel. There's no evidence to support an intimate view of the Gulf of Mexico before the 1400s. There is evidence to support the vikings landed here, but that was still around 1100 AD. Either way, this is still problem due to Joseph's claim in #1. 6. The Native American word for Jehovah is a real event. Do you know why? Because English Missionaries taught it to the natives. Amusingly, this claim appeared in the book of the hebrews, one of the books Joseph is accused of plagiarizing. I don't really know what he's trying to claim with the earthquakes, but I don't think there has been much debate on whether the earth's crust was moving around the 1800s or the 0s or the 600s."
Carlos Mendez ***** - Patience boys, patience. This is only 1/11 of a full video. There is plenty more to come. And even the full video is, as I said in the introduction, "barely scratching the surface". In the meantime, I encourage you to do some further study of the Hopewell, the Adena, and The Book of Mormon.
ANother problem is that the Hopewell did not know how to read and write. They were a Pre-Historic people. Not being a literate people eliminates any possibility of them keeping multiple historical records.
WE ARE ABORIGINAL to this land. We are the children of Abraham. We are black. We are brown. We did not find the Word of the Lord under a rock. We received it from heaven with great delight. Your Jerusalem is in the desert. Our Jerusalem is here in the land that flowed with milk and honey. Your lands languished in lack. Our lands retains the natural wealth that GOD blessed us. Though we are few in number now because of the great slaughter you wrought upons, we believe that your days are at an end. GOD will restore us as at the beginning. Amen.
5,000 years ago, 3 sons of Noah stepped off the Ark: SHEM, JAPHETH, and HAM. Other than their 3 wives and their father & mother, not a single other soul survived the great deluge sent upon the Earth by God to cleanse it of wickedness. There exists today, 3 primary Races of mankind: WHITE, ASIATIC, BLACK. We know that the 3 sons of Noah were of one Race having all 3 come from the same father & mother. Obviously the differences between the 3 primary Races of mankind today were the result of the genetic donations of the WIVES of the 3 sons of Noah. The ancient scriptural record reveals that HAM’S wife’s name was “Egyptus” and they had a daughter they named “Egyptus” in honor of her mother. The scriptural record further reveals that Ham’s daughter, Egyptus, eventually migrated south with her husband to settle in the fertile Valley of the Nile River, which area they named “Egypt”, after the name of she who first settled it after the recession of the flood. It was the descendants of EGYPTUS, daughter of HAM & EGYPTUS, who gradually moved further south into the rest of that continent, colonizing it as they multiplied. The BLACK Race of Africa are the descendants of HAM and his Black wife EGYPTUS. The children of JAPHETH and his wife colonized the lands EASTWARD. These became the ASIATIC Races. They received their signature “Asian” genetic traits thru Japheth’s wife. The scriptural record also reveals that Abraham and the mother’s of his children are descendants of SHEM. They are NOT descendants of HAM & Egyptus from whom the Black Race sprung. The descendants of SHEM includes the Hebrews, Abraham, the 12 Israelite Tribes, and all Caucasians. SHEM’s descendants are the WHITE Race. The White Race (SHEM’s posterity) moved WESTWARD, colonizing the Middle East, Europe, Britannia, and the Americas. The Hebrews, Abraham, The TWELVE Tribes of The House of Israel, and all Caucasians, are all the Children of SHEM. They are the WHITE Race.
The first time I read the book of Mormon, I read " white as the wind driven snow" I use to wonder how nephites in central America knew of snow. You do great work!
Central America has many high elevation areas above 8000 ft tjay can get snow, and in the BC eras the climate was also much colder in north and South America as we where closer to the last ice age
Snow is mentioned a few times in the Bible, so those in Israel knew about snow. And the only time that the word snow appears in The Book Of Mormon is in Chapter 11, before they even left the Middle East. And it was used to describe the color of the fruit of the Tree of Life in Lehi's dream. Even so, the tops of the high mountains in Mesoamerica also get snow. And there it's warm enough that snakes don't have to hibernate several months of the year, making it easy for people to pass by them.
I'm confused. You say the Hopewell Indians lived between 500 BC - 400 AD, yet I did a simple Google search and every website I went to stated that the Hopewell Indians lived between 200 BC - 500 AD. So can you site where you are finding your dates? Perhaps I am not understanding you correctly? The other problem I'm having with your evidence is that the Hopewell Indians would not come close to meeting the population demands needed to meet the requirements of the Book of Mormon cultures. I've read a couple of articles where archaeologists who are experts on the Hopewell culture have stated that the normal Hopewell Indian village couldn't have supported more than 100 people. Yet in the Book of Mormon you have big cities described able to hold 10's of thousands of people. Any clarification on these two issues would be much appreciated.
I don't think it's an exact science, but even if you're correct and there was a Hopewell civilization from 200 BC to 500 AD, have you considered that a smaller group could have easily taken a couple of hundred years to leave much of a footprint?
@@bwinms1"I wouldn't completely believe what Google tells you." this comes from audit the fed!! I love it!!! I have the bumper sticker! And uhh yeah people I do not believe everything Google tells me!
I am not Mormon but I can tell you there is evidence of 7 10 million living in North America back then probably more. very large city's with technology from around the world including Egyptian and Atlantian. I found this by following my o- blood back to Cherokee so the crazy stories in the book of Mormon are now backed up quite well so do more research. love to all.
Makes sense when King Limhi sent 43 men back to find the land Zarahemla (Mosiah 9) to appeal to his brethren to deliver them out of bondage. They found NOT the land of Zarahemla but went further north and found the 24 plates (Book Of Ether). Looking at a US map. Instead of going up the Mississippi River, Limhi's search team went opposite, up the Ohio River which leads to the land 'Northward' and the place where the last Jaredite battles took place near the Hill Cumorah.
They basically followed the wrong river. Which seems very probable. They might have followed up the Mississippi till it ran into the Ohio River, and instead up following up the Mississippi they went up the wrong river.
+byronofcalgary the stories are so true that all the witnesses bailed on joseph.... even Joseph's own family, so everyone close to joseph didn't stay with Brigham young. How could it not be true?
Wayne May goes into this in great detail and has no doubt whatsoever that the world of the Nephites and Lamanites was located between the gulf and Canada in the Easter U.S.
Hi Ben, I'm glad you like the videos. I got a few things wrong in the Cumorah video, so I took it down. Here's the explanation: ruclips.net/video/8v-TdMp8RqQ/видео.html
Absoluty love these clips you've done. Personally. I don't need evedance as I know and believe the church is true and that Joseph Smith had direct revelation like I saw it with my own eyes and that he restored the gospel and was and always will be an awesome profit. I just love the way you have taken your time to serve out Heavenly Father by helping his children see, seek and fund his truthes through his 100% correct and holy book centered on Jesus Christ himself, The Book Of Mormon. I'm currently re reading the Book Of Mormom with my husband and children. This has just brought it all to life for all to enjoy. I love that this caters to everyone. God bless you continually.
Whew, I’m feeling a little bit overwhelmed with this information. I’m not going to call you a liar or say this is fake. I believe you. I just feel like I got hit by a train by watching some of your other videos. Good insight and information. Also, hello fellow Utahn and LDS member 👋🏼🙂
Thomas Ferguson, a devout Mormon who wasted most of his life trying to find the Book of Mormon lands having obtained funding from LDS church. In 1975, he submitted a paper to a symposium about Book of Mormon geography outlining the failure of archaeologists to find Old World plants, animals, metals, and scripts in Mesoamerica. "The real implication of the paper," he wrote in a letter the following year, "is that you can't set Book of Mormon geography down anywhere-because it is fictional."
@@catheyskelton2516 I am sure the Book of Mormon is true. For a moment lets say its fictional. So everything in it is fictional. Consequently the statement "when a man is dead it is the end thereof". That must be fictional. So then there would be a God and a resurrection considering that is a fictional statement. So now we have to determine who is God and who provided the resurrection. Christians would say Jesus Christ. I don't know what the Muslims believe. I don't know if they believe Mohammed provides that or not. What about the Buddhists? The Shintos? Or other non-Christian groups. Someone provides the resurrection. I'm sure it is Jesus. Therefore that's what the Book of Mormon tells us. So is it true? Only the Spirit can really tell us. Also maybe other things. If you would like to comment further...e-mail me at baseballphila@gmail.com.
I would like to know where you acquired your data on their D.N.A. I was taught quite a few years ago when D.V.D's we're still new that there was absolutely no D.N.A. connection between the 2. They we're very interested in finding out that there would be a connection as the native people faced a genocide similar to the Israeli's could you please provide a link?
I'm reading this 4 years later and still no link to scientifically verifiable DNA evidence, so it probably doesn't exist as claimed here. Like you, I'm interested in well done, hard science--not speculative claims. Maybe there is some link between some Native American tribes and some ancient Israelites, but even that hardly proves the BoM is what it claims to be. Michael P. claims in his videos that some Native American sachem have been 'record keepers' through the centuries/ millenia, and if that is true, Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, and Sidney Rigdon had ample time and the connections to glean some true facts from ancient Native American histories and weave that into the BoM story. That gleaning could account for things like 'Nahom', 'Lehi', elephants, horses, etc. I also do not doubt that ancient peoples from the Middle East could have made voyages such as the ones described in the BoM. But, the more I learn about Joseph Smith & company, and the modern LDS 'apostles', the more I want to puke, so it would take a personal visit from a real angel or the Lord himself to convince me anymore.
@@andrewsky59Actually Nahom is in the Middle East, and wasn't located until 1994, using the local tribal name NHM (Hebrew doesn't have vowels) and location, it was located exactly in the area described, and also exactly as described in The Book Of Mormon almost due East is the only tropical oasis, just as described. There's no way to get that by talking to any Native Americans. And unless you have continued to dig deeper into the Apostles in The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints, it's unlikely you would have gotten past all the mud Jesus Christ prophesied would be slung at his true followers. Were they perfect? Of course not. Show me anyone in the Bible that was, besides Jesus Christ. Sure Job came close, as did Moses.
I like the Heartland model, but why is there no mention of cold weather, frozen rivers, ice and snow in the BoM? If you spent your life outdoors in the north it would be a massive part of your experience.
Not only is there no mention of snow, except before they left the Middle East, and that was only describing the color of the fruit from the Tree of Life. But in The Book Of Mormon it describes it being too hot for battles anytime except the cooler months.
@@bartonbagnes4605 Sounds exactly like Arkansas, Missouri, and Tennessee to me. Too hot and humid in the middle of the year to do anything, let alone wage a battle in heavy, hot armor. The evidence overwhelmingly favors the Heartland model for BoM activity.
@@iDONTdoFacebook Too hot and humid at the beginning of April? It was at the first of the year for that battle. Using the Jewish calendar, it would be even less likely if it was our calendar. However hot and humid you describe it, Mesoamerica will always work better.
Totally agree! Weather and conditions played a crucial part of early pilgrims here in the United States. It seems strange to me that not one time did it ever mention lacking of food for the cold or having to change battle plans because of snow and conditions. For me, it seems no one really has a good explanation of Hagoth. Please don’t tell me it was in the Great Lakes😂
+Carlos Mendez +Frank Dowling - Patience boys, patience. This is only 1/11 of a full video. There is plenty more to come. And even the full video is, as I said in the introduction, "barely scratching the surface". In the meantime, I encourage you to do some further study of the Hopewell, the Adena, and The Book of Mormon.
I'm glad you've decided to make these videos and educate people about evidence of the ancient inhabitants of North America... I'm also glad that regardless of any physical evidence that all can receive their own evidence of the truthfulness of these things through Earnest study and prayer and asking our Father in Heaven about the truthfulness of these things to receive their own personal witness through the Holy Ghost of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.
...my grandmother told me of her great-grandmother who was a M'ik maq Indian - in a book titled "America B.C." a came across the Lord's Prayer written in M'ik maq, & beside it, The Lord's Prayer written in Egyptian heiroglyph - the symbols were almost identical...i found The Church of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day Saints, & The Book of Mormon to be EXACTLY what it claims to be; i was raised Roman Catholic, but joined The Chrich of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day Saints the year in turned 20...THE best decision of my life....Ancient prophecy continues to be fulfilled - ALL will be fulfilled...& Christ will return soon...everyone get ready...i pray for ALL seekers of truth...❇️🌸❇️
I thought I read that the rise and fall of the Hopewell culture occurred between 100BC and 500BC. That doesn't line up with the Book of Mormon timeline. Am I missing something?
Hi Nathan, the Hopewell are estimated to start at approximately 100 BC in the Ohio area. But different states have different estimated times for when the Hopewell start showing up in their archaeologic timelines. This is likely due to migration and expansion to other areas in the east. For example, the oldest Hopewell is estimated around 550 BC in Florida. Georgia, Tennessee and Iowa also have Hopewell from the 500s BC. Most states do agree that the Hopewell move northeast and are over between 400-500 AD in the New York area though.
The "narrow neck" is one of the most important geographical point of references for the meso-model. The heartland model requires that Lake Erie extend beyond what it does today, to create a 'narrow neck' from 600bc to 400ad. Is there a source someone could point me to that supports this or even suggests it? For the record I'm not here to be combative I personally don't care which model however, I tend to believe Joseph Smith's references to Nephite artifacts and locations, fwiw.
Hello! Research the Great Black Swamp and the Grand Kankakee Marsh, how deep those areas were during the Hopewell time period, and how they were drained in the 1800s. Also, I believe the Western Interior Seaway, Hudson Seaway, and ancient Lake Nipissing and ice age are all much more recent than popular science says. I believe they existed shortly after the Flood and continental split (which The Bible says are also much more recent than popular science says), slowly draining during Jaredite/Nephite times, and were probably gone during the great destruction at the time of Jesus Christ's death.
How do you reconcile the accounting of Lehi traveling to the Indian Ocean and sailing from Bountiful around the Gulf area to the Americas? So many scholars believe they sailed via the Indian and Pacific Oceans to the west coast of the USA, NOT the east coast/Florida as you describe. I’m not saying your wrong. I’m just asking how you reconcile that? If Lehi had landed on the east coast he would have had to sail around the Cape of Good Hope. It would have been very stormy as they had experienced, for sure. But also there have been scholars who have identified what they believe is the oceanic channel that was used, sailing east, south of India and China and through the Philippines.
Good question! The Phoenicia Expedition ship has done it twice using 2 different Atlantic routes. It's all right here in my video about it - ruclips.net/video/RQQ0x-4hh-c/видео.html
@@MichaelP_IsMe thank you! I’m going through your videos one by one and just saw that one yesterday! I appreciate your thorough research! These all make sense to me, at least so far! 👍🏼
This sounds fascinating! The only thing that makes me doubtful is that I would think the Nephites/Lamanites would have mentioned the extreme weather changes in their accounts, especially if it had affects on wartime.
FALSE INFO! claiming Native American and Mexican artifacts , culture, history, and land to be theirs when these cultures had their own history . Perpetuating a lie form the book of lies " The Book Of Mormon " written by a con artist when he did not know any Jewish language ,translated from tablets with a rock that NO ONE HAS EVE SEEN! all whilst plagiarizing other aspects of different religions and cultures and calling it their history instead of THE TRUTH!
Cool :D So how does this relate with Alma 63 and the people of the pacific being "the people of hagoth"? Like what would be the narrow neck of land and stuff in your opinion?
It does appear to most people that linking Native Americans to the lost tribes of the Hebrews is a fairly far-fetched to claim. But the Mormons have got an interesting take on it. The mounds are interesting so are the artifacts and similarities with words. But its still a long shot and needs more research. The names don't sound very Aramaic.
Well the biggest problem is that God said he would sift Israel among all nations of the earth, any place without Isrealites would prove the Bible false. So all Christians have a problem if DNA works the way they are pretending it does to claim The Book Of Mormon false.
I don't see parts 3 - 11, what's the anticipated schedule? Can't wait! You explain things very well, I have watched the first two parts with my family for FHE.
+Brinda Bair , thanks! Life has been very busy lately, and these videos are very enjoyable hobbies for me. It would be awesome if my employment was in such things, but right now, as much as I love sharing these things that I've been researching for a few years, there are other priorities I have to see to first :( But I will continue to make the videos as often as I can!
Adena culture and (maybe?) Hopewell culture ran up into the Lake Winnepeg area. The geography up there (and the "seas") might factor into the potential BofM geography...
+Daniel Randell , thanks! I am really trying to keep it basic. I've learned SO MUCH more than what I've shared in the 2 videos and will share in the remaining 9 videos. I hope people will start researching this stuff on their own :)
Daniel Randell Thanks! And what I've shared in these videos is not even scratching the surface of what I've learned over the years :) I wish this was my profession so that I could put more time into making better videos, but unfortunately, I am limited to only making short, simple videos every now and again, due to higher priorities and time restraints. Good luck in your research, and have fun! There's so much to learn!
There are a number of reasons why New World archeology (not just Book of Mormon archeology) is much more difficult than the Old World. Some of those reasons include 1) little continuation of language and name-places, 2) destruction of much of the evidence by those who conquered the native people, 3) a much more moist climate, 4) a much longer history and more research going into the Middle East - and there are many more. That said, there is indeed a plethora of very interesting evidences in the New World. And the Middle East geography is bearing some amazing evidences, including places such as NHM, Bountiful, the trade routes and possible locations for Shazer, Valley of Lemuel and River of Laman.
I came across a reference that the early saints that lived in the Nauvoo area were calling the area across the river Zarahemla before the reference in D&C 125? is there any truth to this?
Interesting videos. I do have a question though and am curious as to how that may fit in. Although the people of Lehi traveled in the 6th century, and populated the land, the mounds of earth were not thrown up until much later. The fortifications that were built were not built until the time of Captain Moroni, in the 1st Century BC.
I don't know what doesn't seem correct to you...Nephites didn't build mounds until Moroni had to...to prevent their annihilation. Earlier on, the Nephites just fled. This matches the historical record.
As to X2a DNA, this is what FAIRMormon said: "Regarding the X2a being evidence for The BOM, this is only possible if you rely on the evidence used from the 1990's when population genetics was in its infancy. However, as more was learned on the subject we see that it is not evidence for The Book of Mormon. The Church has come out and taken a stance on this issue and has said that there currently is no DNA evidence for The Book of Mormon." in comments below RUclips video titled "Summary of Book of Mormon Evidence"
+Jeremiah Miller , sorry, life's been very busy since Oct. 2015, and my hobbies get pushed down on the list of priorities. But I was able to finish Part 3 yesterday :) Here's the link: ruclips.net/video/H2bk-UtYGbc/видео.html
In this video there are several assumptions that do not agree with BoM verses. The most glaring is the entry of Nephites to the chosen land. 1 Nephi 1:17 “we did travel nearly eastward from that time forth.”. They did not sail around Southern America, they entered the continent at a different point and actually came across the Pacific Ocean.
I'm not Mormon I have read all of the comments on the Video and went to all the Peoples Channels who have been arguing the content of this Post.I have found that on those Channels are Video posting of negative content of the Mormons Beliefs Coming from Ex members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. I see Contempt and anger and Hate being vented out from these You-tubers ( I guess that is normal on RUclips anywhere lol) Why don't you guys who hate these people JUST USE THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE AND SAY "THESE ARE NOT THE MOUNDS YOUR LOOKING FOR! Interesting these mounds even exist.
If you had given over 40 years of your life, your time, 10% of your income, and taught your children these things, and then found out that it was all untrue, how would you feel? I compare it to having been married to one person all your adult life and then discovering that your spouse had been unfaithful to you the whole time. How would you feel about that? It's normal for ex-Mormons to go through a period of bitterness at the sense of betrayal. Fortunately, we do reach a time where the bitterness is gone and only a determination to right the wrong takes its place. "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed; if we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." J. Reuben Clark.
Nick Trayton Well done. Many are unable to separate their learned beliefs or prejudices from the ability to research subject and maintain a fair and open mind to the elements of findings that unfold. It "requires a Mature Minded Wisdom, to accept that there will be time, our learned views will encounter challenges". One must also "have a MOST Logical understandIng of reality and self, knowing that humans are limited to the resources made available to them and their guaranteed factor of percent of error" - Which arrives at the final point: "One must have a quest for the greater truths and facts, with a willingness to adapt to the findings." If you simply walk in to the research knowing fair well that things have been lost from the past through, "judgmental opinions, desire for protecting power, desire for control, physical location without access to the knowledge, book burn8ngs, library burnings, conspiracies, and simple forgetfulness, among other reasons - The odds are - no one person or group, is all knowing, all right, nor likely to find - ALL THE ANSWERS... Then the journey holds so much, so many possibilities, so many options along the way... Humble attitude, Confidence in greater goals - ...and there will always be a-plenty of Know-it-all's, filled with arrogance and selfish of purpose.
Church historians say that D&C 125 allowed the saints to name the Stake across the river from Nauvoo, Zarahemla. In the Book of Mormon, the river Sidon does flow along the east side of Zarahemla, which seems to make it obvious to most readers that the Iowa Zarahemla could be the Book of Mormon Zarahemla. But you can't stop there. Manti is at the headwaters of the river Sidon, and is close to the narrow strip of wilderness that separates the land of Zarahemla from the land of Nephi. There are several citations throughout the Book of Mormon that place the narrow strip of wilderness and the land of Nephi south and west of the land of Zarahemla. Therefore, we can conclude that not only is Manti southward of Zarahemla, but that the river Sidon flows from south to north. The Mississippi River flows from north to south - the wrong way!. You're looking at the wrong river. That said, I have no doubt that the children of Lehi multiplied and covered most of what is now the eastern United States and southern Canada. But I think the Book of Mormon historically covers only western New York and round about. A good book to refer to is titled "The Book of Clues for Book of Mormon Geographers" on Kindle.
The Hill Comorah in New York was called that because the early saints gave it that as a nickname and it stuck-there's scant evidence that this is the same hill. Mormon buried the plates (save it were these, meaning the gold plates) in the Hill Comorah.
Wayne May doesn't think the Book of Mormon only took place around the Great Lakes. Wayne May is a supporter of it taking place mostly within the Hopewell interaction sphere (the Atlantic coast to the Rocky Mountains, and the Gulf coast up into Canada).
I have my God gift of testimony that the Book of Mormon and the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints is God given true. It never occurred to my interest to look for or forward for evidence of the Book of Mormon.
If millions of people are dying in battle for over 1000 years in the midwest and the south, don't you think there would be some archeological evidence to support it? I mean a sword, or chariot, or any evidence supporting massive wars? I don't think burial mounds quite justifies such a large claim.
***** +Carlos Mendez - Patience boys, patience. This is only 1/11 of a full video. There is plenty more to come. And even the full video is, as I said in the introduction, "barely scratching the surface". In the meantime, I encourage you to do some further study of the Hopewell, the Adena, and The Book of Mormon.
+Frank Dowling One of the "problems" of finding skeletons in the rather wet earth in the north-east. Remains simply rot away very quickly. A far as other findings are concerned, archeologists do fight for recognition and will attack each other to claim fraud by the other. I may be a matter of throwing pearls before the swines.
+Reinier Nielander Well There hasn't been too much of a problem finding skeletons buried in the mounds that are the focus of this video. Also Joseph Smith was able to find the remains of Zelph with little difficult. It seems to me that finding hundreds or thousands of years old skeletons hasn't been a problem for that region of America. Also, massive wars don't just leave behind bodies, but swords, breastplates, helmets, etc. Those things don't rot and would remain for us to find. So again, not much proof for this position. Besides, didn't Joseph Smith say the Book of Mormon took place in Guatemala?
+Frank Dowling You'd think, with all the thousands of lamanites and nephites who fought to the death on the hill cumorah, that the LDS church would dig into the hill and find evidence in the form of bones, metal weapons, etc. But, for some strange reason, nothing has been unearthed, probably because the church hierarchy knows there is nothing in that hill.
@@dow30000 No, he didn't. There is plenty of evidence of Book of Mormon in North America...you just have to search, and not make judgements before you have.
I watched this yesterday. I don't remember him mentioning the Kinderhook plates. There's some interesting commentary on the subject in episode 7 of Hidden in the Heartland. There's no perfect answer why J. Smith attempted an interpretation of them with something about ham and Pharaoh, but as far as I understand, J. Smith lost interest in the plates within a few days, never published a translation of them, and the people who played the hoax didn't reveal that it was a hoax until many years later. Those are more compelling facts to me that support Joseph Smith being a prophet than one simple attempted translation of one sentence, which isn't as significant and something Mike Norton overreacted about.
Here’s my honest question growing up and being raised in the church I always understood that church’s narrative was that the bom took place in central and South America. If you watch the church’s movie the testament it promotes the idea that the bom happened in Central America. If the church was promoting that idea wouldn’t the lord correct the prophet and reveal where the bom actually took place?
Hello Los Cosmos, all of Joseph Smith's confirmed statements on Book of Mormon people and locations deal only with North America, most of which he declares as revelation. In HC 6:318-19, it is assumed that Joseph Smith meant North and South America when he said "The whole of America is Zion itself from north to south," but the whole statement is this, "The whole of America is Zion itself from north to south, and is described by the Prophets, who declare that it is the Zion where the mountain of the Lord should be, and that it should be in the center of the land." So 1) the "mountain of the Lord" is the temple - Most Church members know that. And 2) the temple of Zion will be in Independence, Missouri, the New Jerusalem and center of Zion, revealed in the Doctrine & Covenants - Most Church members know that. And 3) New Jerusalem and its temple will be in "the center of the land" of Zion, as Joseph said in the whole statement above. So if Zion is both continents of North and South America, then where would "the center of the land" and the New Jerusalem and its temple have to be? Down in Panama somewhere, because that is the center of North and South America. But most Church members know that God clearly says in the Doctrine & Covenants that the New Jerusalem and the temple will be in Independence, Missouri, which is waaaay off from being in the center of the land of Zion, if Zion is North and South America. But another way to see Joseph's statement is this: The name "America" has always been a very common shortened name for "The United States of America" (one that even Joseph often said), and in Joseph's day, the South hadn't left the Union yet, but the division between the northern and southern states was happening, and Joseph knew as early as 1832 that the Civil War would happen (as revealed in the D&C), so when he says "The whole of America is Zion itself from north to south," he could very well have meant "The whole of the United States of America is Zion itself from the northern states to the southern states", and Independence, Missouri is nearly in "the center of the land" of the United States, or Zion (and if California ever does fall off into the ocean, then it will be dead-center in the land, but I hope not, because I like California!). So that's what I think. However, I know there are confirmed statements by Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, and Joseph Fielding Smith speaking of both North and South America, but I haven't found any where they declared their statements as revelation, so it could just be their thoughts on the matter, perhaps based on Joseph's quote above. My thoughts on the matter used to be North and South America as well, but I am currently of the North America opinion, based on all that Joseph Smith said, what's in The Book of Mormon text, and the strong similarities between 1) the Jaredites and Nephites/Lamanites and 2) the Adena and Hopewell mound-builder cultures. Whereas the ancient cultures down in Central/South America are very similar to east Asian cultures. The exact same style of pyramids and artifacts are found all over south and east Asia. Even Maya and Guatemala are Hindu and Buddhist words. The director of The Testaments is actually on video saying that he now feels that he made the movie in the wrong location, even though it's a great movie, and wishes he would have made it in North America. I have no problem with people who believe The Book of Mormon happened in both North and South America. The only real problem I have is when people say it only took place in a small area of Central America and that the Hill Cumorah is really in Central America somewhere. No prophet has ever said or supported Cumorah being in Central America, but have only supported the New York Cumorah. Joseph Fielding Smith actually spoke out several times against Cumorah being in Central America.
This model is a joke. They misquote a couple of statements from Joseph Smith Jr., and like Evangelicals with verses from the Bible, try to force them to fit, the more problems are pointed out for their model, the harder they try to make it fit.
Have you read “He Walked the Americas” by L. Taylor Hansen? It’s by a lady who lived among the natives in North and South America for about 40 years gathering their stories about the “pale God“ who visited them. Every nation was considered heathen before he arrived, except for the Hopewell mound building nation. Her studies eventually led her to join the church in the 60s and she died in the 70s. Worth the read
First video earthquake of 1811 and 1812 is supposed to be an earthquake that occurred during Christ crucifixion? I think that might be a typo of some kind.
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And if the ancestors of the Native Americans were of Mediterranean origin why were they so vulnerable to Eurasian diseases? And why did they not bring cow, sheep, goats, chickens or horses to this continent?
@@ategabbysev2993 You didn't answer my questions. Why were they so vulnerable to Eurasian diseases? Why did they not bring sheep, chickens, horses, or cattle?
What about these supposed red haired giants and the fallen angels? Where I live in New England we have "glacial erratics" that are perfectly balanced megalithic stone boulders orientated to the sun, moon and stars. The local Narraganset Indian historical preservation society has a professional surveyor and has found these stones represents constellations.
Michael, May I suggest that most Mormons make a mistake about dates, just as most Jews and Christians make mistakes about the dates in the Old Testament. The Book of Mormon, like the Torah and the New Testament, has no dates in it. We get our dates from constant repetition by religious scholars, not from any dates in those books. Rather than occurring thousands of years ago as our brainwashing has taught us to believe, the events in Genesis happened in the 12th and 13th Centuries AD. Many of them occurred in the USA in Missouri, Illinois, and other states. Remnants of the real Egypt still exist in the Midwest, including the "Mound Builders," who had cities bigger than London at the time. Illinois has the towns of Cairo and Thebes, right at the junction of the Ohio and Mississippi. Historians tell us settlers named those towns in the very eary 19th century, before Joseph Smith found the Book of Mormon. But Egyptology did not exist in 1802 or so and didn't really start until about 1820. How did settlers name a town Karnak when no one knew the name at the time? Joseph Smith found the plates at hill Cumorah because Moses passed by there during the Exodus from Illinois on his way to Europe. Many states have obvious Hebrew names. Nebraska means Candlestick. Strong's Hebrew 5043. Dakota means something like "Crushed Her" in Hebrew. Dak means crush. SH 1790 and 1792. Ota means her. Okla-homa has the Hebrew work for food from prey. SH 402. The list goes on. In Hebrew they call Egypt Mizraim. The -im ending indicates the plural. Take it off and you get Mizra, just like natives of Missouri call Missouri, or Misra. I have made several videos on the misdating of the Torah and the deception in where evens occurred: ruclips.net/video/ue4d8ZAtE5g/видео.html ruclips.net/video/JS7mJ7RCR3M/видео.html
@@mfiorito5550 Carbon dating has no validity. When archaeologists submit items for carbon dating, they must give an estimate of the date as part of the protocol. Remarkably the dates always come back near those estimates. People have written many articles about the problems of carbon dating. Willard Libby, the "discoverer" of carbon dating, got the Nobel Prize for the discovery. That in itself makes it suspect.
Only uncritical thinkers would accept the "discovery" of the dead sea scrolls in 1946 as anything other than a plant. Miraculously no curious children or others ever investigated these caves for thousands of years until after the Zionists took over Palestine. "Discovered" by unknown shepherds with the deep involvement of the family of Yigael Yadin, one of the leading Zionist families. Decades ago Solomon Zeitlin wrote a book where he argued the dead sea scrolls came from medieval Europe. Although everyone accepts Zeitlin as one of the great scholars of the Hebrew language, all "good" scholars reject his conclusions because they don't go along with the received narrative. Why do people buy the received timeline? Because they want to believe and not see themselves as dupes. "There's a sucker born every minute." @@bartonbagnes4605
I went down the rabbit hole today after realizing how persistent the missionary is who has been trying to contact me once a week for the past 6 months is. A Cristian sect of worship originating I north america is wild.
Could the rock wall of Texas be from the Nephies most say it is not man made but it's stacked up and lines up with the sun when it comes up and down. Or the Jaredits one big head was found but if walls it's 3 miles wide and goes around like a fort or castle same size as zarahma.
I don't need to believe or "know in my heart" that Joseph Smith was a prophet to KNOW the entire world seems to have criss crossed the western hemisphere at sometime in history.
FALSE INFO! claiming Native American and Mexican artifacts , culture, history, and land to be theirs when these cultures had their own history . Perpetuating a lie form the book of lies " The Book Of Mormon " written by a con artist when he did not know any Jewish language ,translated from tablets with a rock that NO ONE HAS EVE SEEN! all whilst plagiarizing other aspects of different religions and cultures and calling it their history instead of THE TRUTH!
Sources would really help. Hopewell originated in Ohio not Florida, then spread from Ohio. There were Moundbuilder cultures in the South long before Hopewell, such as at Poverty Point, Louisiana, but those date back long, long before 500 BC.
As I said, this is "tip of the iceberg" stuff. I don't have time to make extremely long and detailed videos, especially when I do it for free out of personal interest. These videos are simply to intrigue people to go do their own research. I know there are mound builder civilizations before the Hopewell that were all over this continent. The Adena date well into the 2000s BC. The Hopewell culture boomed in Ohio around the 100s/200s BC, but they didn't start there. Hopewell isn't even their real name. They're simply called Hopewell, because the first "official" U.S. excavation of their culture was in Ohio on the property of a man named Mordecai Hopewell. That doesn't mean the culture began in Ohio. Different states have different opinions on where the Hopewell began, but when people do their own research and start putting the pieces together without bias towards one state over another, the trail points back to 2 separate places that eventually merged together at least somewhat. Those 2 places are the Florida/Georgia area and Iowa. The Iroquois say their ancestors came in boats across the Atlantic Ocean and landed in the Florida/Georgia area. Mohawks (an Iroquois tribe up in the New York are) sometimes include alligators in their art, because they say it was the first animal their ancestors saw when they got off the boat. Algonquins say their ancestors came in 8 turtle-shaped boats across the Atlantic and into the St. Lawrence Seaway. They even call North America "Turtle Island". Many people have come to both the Atlantic and Pacific coast of both American continents long before Columbus and even long before the Vikings.
This would make more sense genetically speaking. Because the Native Americans in the heartland and Great Lakes area have a significant genetic resemblance with peoples of the Middle East, whereas Central and South Americans have almost no resemblance with them, and are more genetically tied to Mongolian and Siberian peoples.
It’s some solid information, but doesn’t Florida seem too small the house the entire laminate population?? They were 2 to 3 times the size of the nephites throughout the book of Alma... and if they were past borders of Florida, then where was the narrow neck of land
You are delusional. At least 11 others saw it. Some even touched it. Their testimonies are written in the front of The Book of Mormon. Lies are from Satan. You clearly are a Satanist.
great job on your presentation. The Nephites ARE the Hopewell people. Hopefully more members will embrace this information. Their testimonies would be strengthened of the reality of the people in The Book of Mormon.
The historicity of the Book of Mormon has never been established and no location has ever been officially acknowledged by the church. For the BoM to be historically accurate it must conform to the time, thinking system, place and technology it espouses otherwise it is anachronistic. It does not and should only be viewed as fiction.
I do not wish anyone to be mislead. Nobody in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints should be trying to show 'evidence' of the Book of Mormon through scientific research. The purpose of the Book of Mormon, like the Bible, is to lead a sincere seeker to Christ. A promise in the final portion of the Book of Mormon, by the prophet Moroni directs us to pray with real intent to know if the book is true. The promise is that if you are seeking with real intent you can know by the power of the Holy Ghost that it is true. I tried it over 40 years ago and got an answer to my prayer by the power of the Holy Ghost. I was subsequently baptised into the Church that is led by Jesus Christ in these last days.
BYU has been doing scientific research for years. ;) Sadly not much of their research was done in the actual promised land.... ;-) Guatemala, choice above all other lands and a land of liberty? lol The Book of Mormon is true. These people existed. There are treasures of knowledge for the individual to find, who wants to understand the vital importance of the prophecies and promises and warnings in the Book of Mormon.,
Question: If these mounds were in fact made by Israelites who came from the Middle East after 600 B.C.E. -- hundreds of years into the Iron Age -- then where is the bronze and iron? There is plenty of copper among the artifacts in the mounds -- a metal which can be picked up and smacked with a rock into shape. There's even shark teeth from the Carolinas and obsidian from Wyoming buried among them. But there is no evidence of smelting of copper and tin to make bronze, nor of smelting the very abundant iron ore in the Ohio region (the area is dotted with furnaces from the 19th century, requiring no power equipment to mine or smelt in the early days of the iron boom there). Smelting leaves not only artifacts made from bronze and iron, but also waste products like dross which do not decay and can be found thousands of years later. So these "Israelites" just magically forgot how to make more advanced tools on their boat ride despite ample local resources? Or is it that you're trying to fit the evidence to the narrative written by a guy who read the same books you are citing -- a guy who was, in fact, being racist against the Native American people who had been crippled by war and disease when Joseph Smith insinuated that they were so backwards that they were incapable of something as complex as literally making piles of dirt?
I can't get enough of this. When I'm having a rough day and I need a good gut laugh, this never disappoints. The part you don't see is when he goes to Burger King and accidentally squirts ketchup in his hair. What am I supposed to do? ...he says. This isn't supposed to happen. I paid my fucking tithing didn't I? And now their out of napkins...this is so wrong....Daddy, please tell me what's going on! My head hurts!
Yes, duh, we all know that the American indians lived in north and south america, built cities, fortified structures..which Joseph Smith saw around his area as well he could have described just by looking at them himself...why Smith even knew about those adobe homes and small clay towns, Canadian fort like structures, etc ..and cities found in Mexico, and in other parts of SA. but all this says nothing about them in connection to JS storybook of M. frankly, I find all of this to be very vague, biased, full of innuendo ...uneducated speculation, pseudo conjecture, and ultimately , just sheer wishful thinking. ...
It won't be put to rest because in all likelihood Christ went there also to another branch of the house of Isreal! He likely visited Australia also and possibly other locations. The only thing it will put to bed is that the BofM didn't take place in Central or South America. However He was there and we will eventually recieve that record! In Jacobs allegory of the olive tree which was really by the Prophet Zenos there are 5 main branches transplanted which would indicate the Jewish, the Nephite/Lamanite, the lost 10 tribes and at a minimum of two other branches! Who are they? Where were they transplanted? I think one key to understanding who these other branches are is to look at those indigenous cultures that were smitten and scattered like the other branches. Also look at the myths, legends and oral history of those cultures. Quetzoacoatle is a prime candidate for Christ visiting in Central America although the historical account has been distorted and perverted. We will one day have the historical account of that visitation unadulterated.
@@darrisellis8810Mesoamerica fits way better than Heartland, and continues to more and more. Especially with the Mayan writings we have, that read like cliff notes to The Book Of Mormon.
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints currently makes no official declaration of where the Book of Mormon took place..." Kinda says it all, doesn't it? I would bet that if there had been even ONE archeological or linguistic or cultural evidence that the BoM is a true historical record, the Mormon church would have made an OFFICIAL statement to the world. Since there is NO such evidence, they just say that members must 'have faith'.
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints currently makes no official declaration of where the Book of Mormon took place, other than it was somewhere in the ancient Americas." Why not? If it really is the true church, and the BoM is an authentic historical record, why not definitively declare where it took place? Bible cities and lands are officially recognized and can be toured today. We know exactly where Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Nazareth, and other biblical cities are located. But where is the city of Zarahemla? Where is the land Bountiful? Where is the 'narrow neck of land'? If the current leaders truly were "prophets, seers, and revelators", they could simply ask God for clarification on the subject. All the controversy and questions could be easily answered. However, it's a fact that for over a hundred years the Mormon church promoted the idea that the ancient Mayan and Aztec ruins were evidence of the authenticity of the BoM. I have an official copy of the BoM, published by the Mormon church, with full color photos of South American ruins and temples bound into its pages. Is this not an "official position" as to where the supposed Nephite and Lamanite civilizations lived? As to the Moundbuilder cultures, they were readily available to Joseph Smith, and that is even better evidence that he drew heavily on them to write his book. To now attempt to prove that the Book of Mormon people were actually the Moundbuilder cultures is in direct contradiction to what the Mormon church taught for decades. It's no wonder the church "makes no official declaration of where the Book of Mormon took place". They can't, because it is not authentic, and they know it. And they would rather leave it up to individual members to go around showing slides and giving talks to convince other members that the book is an actual historical record instead of a well-spun yarn. How can the church of Christ be based on such deceit?
Nephites clearly described their villages (cities) as built with wood and Moroni, the last Nephite, described every Nephite city as being completely burned and destroyed, 1200 years before any white man even came to America so the chance of finding Book of Mormon cities is not possible. Jerusalem is the only Bible city that is 100% verified by archaeologists, primarily because it was continually inhabited by people after the Jews were banished from it but no other Bible city has been truly identified, only speculated on. The narrow neck of land is most-likely the land between Lakes Ontario and Erie which the Algonquin have historically called Niagara, which means narrow neck.
There are Native Americans with HEBREW and other Middle-Eastern languages and customs PRESERVED in their tribes even to this day. It's an undeniable fact. Enjoy! ruclips.net/video/1vcem3miWvY/видео.html
Hay Michael, on my farm is a large flat stone sitting in a stone circle that has what looks like Hebrew writing on it. It's on an ancient quartz quarry high up on a ridge. The people here carved images into white quartz of themselves. They were incredible artists and astronomers. A lost people for sure.
Bat shit.
Bat shit.
ok so why have i seen people in the church describe Nephi sailing to south america first then traveling north?
The Hopewell people are not the Mormons. They are native American. Come on bro...
My issue with Zarahemla being in Iowa is that it's so far from any mountains. Mountains factor into battles that occurred in or around Zarahemla. The Lamanites and the G. Robbers came out of the mountains to attack. That's a long way from the Appalachians or even the Ozarks.
All the metals, metals are formed during mountain building. There's also a perfect description of a volcano.
I don't know either way but I can imagine a landscape was much different back then
@@klhwalker There's no evidence that there were mountains in Iowa. Not in the last 1600 years.
@@johnmohon6313 400 AD was only 1600 years ago. There were no mountains anywhere near that spot. Iowa doesn't work for Zarahemla. The only major geographic changes from that time were the recession of the Great Lakes. There was significantly more water 1600 years ago. But no mountains in there.
@@RAF71chingachgook well like I said I don't know , but I do know that there was massive logging that changed the geographic landscape and I do know being from Tennessee that when water is either pumped into a valley or drained out it definitely looks different but I don't know what I do know is I did not live back then so no one really knows but the people who lived back then I all so believe in Joseph Smith as much as I do in Santa Claus
If I could make a suggestion, it would be helpful if there was a site or document that you could link that contained sources for these claims and parallels. For example, it would be nice to know to which Hopewell sites you refer when you mention ~500 BC sites in Florida, the Carolinas, Tennessee, and Iowa. I'd also love to read more about the Algonquin and Iroquois origin stories/oral traditions referenced in this video - sources for those would also be appreciated.
"1. For the civilizations from 500 B.C - 400 A.D., he ignores that this group existed prior to living in this area, that Joseph Smith would have grown up around these and similar ruins (so there is the possibility of overlap), but Joseph Smith also claimed that there were only two migrations which destroys the possibility of the ancestors of these indians. Add to the fact that they don't have Jewish DNA and you've disproven the hopewell claim. They don't have swords or metal armor dating from a Columbia timeline. That's just wrong.
2. Haplogroup X doesn't help Jewish lineage.
3. Hebrew Artifacts/writing are equally problematic. He left out that they're proven hoaxes or don't match up timewise to the nephites. It would have been easier to identify if he could go through each, but we do what we do.
4. He's basically regurgitating the claims of Wayne May and others, which is problematic - see the source for rebutals to his white god claim.
5. The Phoenician ship he is likely referencing was traveling around the tip of Africa (as per this apologetic website, because no one else seems to make this leap). Traveling around and near a large landmass is dramatically different than ocean travel. There's no evidence to support an intimate view of the Gulf of Mexico before the 1400s. There is evidence to support the vikings landed here, but that was still around 1100 AD. Either way, this is still problem due to Joseph's claim in #1.
6. The Native American word for Jehovah is a real event. Do you know why? Because English Missionaries taught it to the natives. Amusingly, this claim appeared in the book of the hebrews, one of the books Joseph is accused of plagiarizing.
I don't really know what he's trying to claim with the earthquakes, but I don't think there has been much debate on whether the earth's crust was moving around the 1800s or the 0s or the 600s."
Carlos Mendez ***** - Patience boys, patience. This is only 1/11 of a full video. There is plenty more to come. And even the full video is, as I said in the introduction, "barely scratching the surface". In the meantime, I encourage you to do some further study of the Hopewell, the Adena, and The Book of Mormon.
ANother problem is that the Hopewell did not know how to read and write. They were a Pre-Historic people. Not being a literate people eliminates any possibility of them keeping multiple historical records.
WE ARE ABORIGINAL to this land. We are the children of Abraham. We are black. We are brown. We did not find the Word of the Lord under a rock. We received it from heaven with great delight. Your Jerusalem is in the desert. Our Jerusalem is here in the land that flowed with milk and honey. Your lands languished in lack. Our lands retains the natural wealth that GOD blessed us. Though we are few in number now because of the great slaughter you wrought upons, we believe that your days are at an end. GOD will restore us as at the beginning. Amen.
5,000 years ago, 3 sons of Noah stepped off the Ark: SHEM, JAPHETH, and HAM. Other than their 3 wives and their father & mother, not a single other soul survived the great deluge sent upon the Earth by God to cleanse it of wickedness.
There exists today, 3 primary Races of mankind: WHITE, ASIATIC, BLACK.
We know that the 3 sons of Noah were of one Race having all 3 come from the same father & mother. Obviously the differences between the 3 primary Races of mankind today were the result of the genetic donations of the WIVES of the 3 sons of Noah.
The ancient scriptural record reveals that HAM’S wife’s name was “Egyptus” and they had a daughter they named “Egyptus” in honor of her mother. The scriptural record further reveals that Ham’s daughter, Egyptus, eventually migrated south with her husband to settle in the fertile Valley of the Nile River, which area they named “Egypt”, after the name of she who first settled it after the recession of the flood. It was the descendants of EGYPTUS, daughter of HAM & EGYPTUS, who gradually moved further south into the rest of that continent, colonizing it as they multiplied. The BLACK Race of Africa are the descendants of HAM and his Black wife EGYPTUS.
The children of JAPHETH and his wife colonized the lands EASTWARD. These became the ASIATIC Races. They received their signature “Asian” genetic traits thru Japheth’s wife.
The scriptural record also reveals that Abraham and the mother’s of his children are descendants of SHEM. They are NOT descendants of HAM & Egyptus from whom the Black Race sprung. The descendants of SHEM includes the Hebrews, Abraham, the 12 Israelite Tribes, and all Caucasians. SHEM’s descendants are the WHITE Race. The White Race (SHEM’s posterity) moved WESTWARD, colonizing the Middle East, Europe, Britannia, and the Americas. The Hebrews, Abraham, The TWELVE Tribes of The House of Israel, and all Caucasians, are all the Children of SHEM. They are the WHITE Race.
So far so good. I look forward the other videos. Keep up the good work!
The first time I read the book of Mormon, I read " white as the wind driven snow" I use to wonder how nephites in central America knew of snow. You do great work!
Central America has many high elevation areas above 8000 ft tjay can get snow, and in the BC eras the climate was also much colder in north and South America as we where closer to the last ice age
Snow is mentioned a few times in the Bible, so those in Israel knew about snow. And the only time that the word snow appears in The Book Of Mormon is in Chapter 11, before they even left the Middle East. And it was used to describe the color of the fruit of the Tree of Life in Lehi's dream. Even so, the tops of the high mountains in Mesoamerica also get snow. And there it's warm enough that snakes don't have to hibernate several months of the year, making it easy for people to pass by them.
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I'm confused. You say the Hopewell Indians lived between 500 BC - 400 AD, yet I did a simple Google search and every website I went to stated that the Hopewell Indians lived between 200 BC - 500 AD. So can you site where you are finding your dates? Perhaps I am not understanding you correctly?
The other problem I'm having with your evidence is that the Hopewell Indians would not come close to meeting the population demands needed to meet the requirements of the Book of Mormon cultures. I've read a couple of articles where archaeologists who are experts on the Hopewell culture have stated that the normal Hopewell Indian village couldn't have supported more than 100 people. Yet in the Book of Mormon you have big cities described able to hold 10's of thousands of people.
Any clarification on these two issues would be much appreciated.
I don't think it's an exact science, but even if you're correct and there was a Hopewell civilization from 200 BC to 500 AD, have you considered that a smaller group could have easily taken a couple of hundred years to leave much of a footprint?
I wouldn't completely believe what google tells you.
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Audit The Fed - my friend made himself one of the inventors of glo sticks on wiki... yeah, google... nuff said
I am not Mormon but I can tell you there is evidence of 7 10 million living in North America back then probably more. very large city's with technology from around the world including Egyptian and Atlantian. I found this by following my o- blood back to Cherokee so the crazy stories in the book of Mormon are now backed up quite well so do more research. love to all.
Makes sense when King Limhi sent 43 men back to find the land Zarahemla (Mosiah 9) to appeal to his brethren to deliver them out of bondage. They found NOT the land of Zarahemla but went further north and found the 24 plates (Book Of Ether). Looking at a US map. Instead of going up the Mississippi River, Limhi's search team went opposite, up the Ohio River which leads to the land 'Northward' and the place where the last Jaredite battles took place near the Hill Cumorah.
+Robert Vo - Exactly! :)
They basically followed the wrong river. Which seems very probable. They might have followed up the Mississippi till it ran into the Ohio River, and instead up following up the Mississippi they went up the wrong river.
+byronofcalgary the stories are so true that all the witnesses bailed on joseph.... even Joseph's own family, so everyone close to joseph didn't stay with Brigham young. How could it not be true?
***** stfu you moron. You're a idiot
***** I appreciate your efforts but if I were to fly to NY it would be to beat your ass. LOL
Wayne May goes into this in great detail and has no doubt whatsoever that the world of the Nephites and Lamanites was located between the gulf and Canada in the Easter U.S.
We are sharing your videos, but the comorah videos are gone . HOW DO WE GET THEM BACK??
Hi Ben, I'm glad you like the videos. I got a few things wrong in the Cumorah video, so I took it down. Here's the explanation: ruclips.net/video/8v-TdMp8RqQ/видео.html
Absoluty love these clips you've done. Personally. I don't need evedance as I know and believe the church is true and that Joseph Smith had direct revelation like I saw it with my own eyes and that he restored the gospel and was and always will be an awesome profit. I just love the way you have taken your time to serve out Heavenly Father by helping his children see, seek and fund his truthes through his 100% correct and holy book centered on Jesus Christ himself, The Book Of Mormon. I'm currently re reading the Book Of Mormom with my husband and children. This has just brought it all to life for all to enjoy. I love that this caters to everyone. God bless you continually.
Whew, I’m feeling a little bit overwhelmed with this information. I’m not going to call you a liar or say this is fake. I believe you. I just feel like I got hit by a train by watching some of your other videos. Good insight and information. Also, hello fellow Utahn and LDS member 👋🏼🙂
Loving your videos. I've always loved archeology, as well as church history, and of course the Book of Mormon. Subscribed.
Thomas Ferguson, a devout Mormon who wasted most of his life trying to find the Book of Mormon lands having obtained funding from LDS church. In 1975, he submitted a paper to a symposium about Book of Mormon geography outlining the failure of archaeologists to find Old World plants, animals, metals, and scripts in Mesoamerica. "The real implication of the paper," he wrote in a letter the following year, "is that you can't set Book of Mormon geography down anywhere-because it is fictional."
What he is saying is all TRUE True TRUE
@@catheyskelton2516 I am sure the Book of Mormon is true. For a moment lets say its fictional. So everything in it is fictional.
Consequently the statement "when a man is dead it is the end thereof". That must be fictional. So then there would be a God
and a resurrection considering that is a fictional statement. So now we have to determine who is God and who provided the
resurrection. Christians would say Jesus Christ. I don't know what the Muslims believe. I don't know if they believe Mohammed provides that or not. What about the Buddhists? The Shintos? Or other non-Christian groups. Someone provides
the resurrection. I'm sure it is Jesus. Therefore that's what the Book of Mormon tells us. So is it true? Only the Spirit can
really tell us. Also maybe other things. If you would like to comment further...e-mail me at baseballphila@gmail.com.
Who is stanley Hall why did he put my name on that massage
@@catheyskelton2516 he didnt put your name on that message youtube put it there to show who it is that stanley is adressing/replying to
And many of those plants and animals have been found since, he gave up too quickly, he had no faith in God.
Very interesting! Can't wait for the next part!
I would like to know where you acquired your data on their D.N.A. I was taught quite a few years ago when D.V.D's we're still new that there was absolutely no D.N.A. connection between the 2. They we're very interested in finding out that there would be a connection as the native people faced a genocide similar to the Israeli's could you please provide a link?
I'm reading this 4 years later and still no link to scientifically verifiable DNA evidence, so it probably doesn't exist as claimed here. Like you, I'm interested in well done, hard science--not speculative claims. Maybe there is some link between some Native American tribes and some ancient Israelites, but even that hardly proves the BoM is what it claims to be. Michael P. claims in his videos that some Native American sachem have been 'record keepers' through the centuries/ millenia, and if that is true, Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, and Sidney Rigdon had ample time and the connections to glean some true facts from ancient Native American histories and weave that into the BoM story. That gleaning could account for things like 'Nahom', 'Lehi', elephants, horses, etc. I also do not doubt that ancient peoples from the Middle East could have made voyages such as the ones described in the BoM. But, the more I learn about Joseph Smith & company, and the modern LDS 'apostles', the more I want to puke, so it would take a personal visit from a real angel or the Lord himself to convince me anymore.
@@andrewsky59Actually Nahom is in the Middle East, and wasn't located until 1994, using the local tribal name NHM (Hebrew doesn't have vowels) and location, it was located exactly in the area described, and also exactly as described in The Book Of Mormon almost due East is the only tropical oasis, just as described. There's no way to get that by talking to any Native Americans. And unless you have continued to dig deeper into the Apostles in The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints, it's unlikely you would have gotten past all the mud Jesus Christ prophesied would be slung at his true followers. Were they perfect? Of course not. Show me anyone in the Bible that was, besides Jesus Christ. Sure Job came close, as did Moses.
I like the Heartland model, but why is there no mention of cold weather, frozen rivers, ice and snow in the BoM? If you spent your life outdoors in the north it would be a massive part of your experience.
Not only is there no mention of snow, except before they left the Middle East, and that was only describing the color of the fruit from the Tree of Life. But in The Book Of Mormon it describes it being too hot for battles anytime except the cooler months.
Climate change. Eastern US weather was less severe than it is today.
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Sounds exactly like Arkansas, Missouri, and Tennessee to me. Too hot and humid in the middle of the year to do anything, let alone wage a battle in heavy, hot armor.
The evidence overwhelmingly favors the Heartland model for BoM activity.
@@iDONTdoFacebook Too hot and humid at the beginning of April? It was at the first of the year for that battle. Using the Jewish calendar, it would be even less likely if it was our calendar. However hot and humid you describe it, Mesoamerica will always work better.
Totally agree! Weather and conditions played a crucial part of early pilgrims here in the United States. It seems strange to me that not one time did it ever mention lacking of food for the cold or having to change battle plans because of snow and conditions. For me, it seems no one really has a good explanation of Hagoth. Please don’t tell me it was in the Great Lakes😂
Thank you, I've been looking for videos explaining it in exactly the way you are doing. You are doing an excellent job, thank you for sharing!
+Carlos Mendez +Frank Dowling - Patience boys, patience. This is only 1/11 of a full video. There is plenty more to come. And even the full video is, as I said in the introduction, "barely scratching the surface". In the meantime, I encourage you to do some further study of the Hopewell, the Adena, and The Book of Mormon.
I'm glad you've decided to make these videos and educate people about evidence of the ancient inhabitants of North America... I'm also glad that regardless of any physical evidence that all can receive their own evidence of the truthfulness of these things through Earnest study and prayer and asking our Father in Heaven about the truthfulness of these things to receive their own personal witness through the Holy Ghost of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.
Why havent the tens of thousands of artifact collectors ever found anything with those writings. There would be plenty of youtube videos if so.
The Mormon religion is a hoax.
They have. There are. Look it up. Not all of them are attributed to the Hopewell, but the evidence is there
Because this is a dumb theory and the morman church is a cult lol
There are. Check out Wayne May and a host of others
@@jbailey1898 bullshit
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That's a great book. Read it years ago when it first published and several times again. ❤
I thought I read that the rise and fall of the Hopewell culture occurred between 100BC and 500BC. That doesn't line up with the Book of Mormon timeline. Am I missing something?
Hi Nathan, the Hopewell are estimated to start at approximately 100 BC in the Ohio area. But different states have different estimated times for when the Hopewell start showing up in their archaeologic timelines. This is likely due to migration and expansion to other areas in the east. For example, the oldest Hopewell is estimated around 550 BC in Florida. Georgia, Tennessee and Iowa also have Hopewell from the 500s BC. Most states do agree that the Hopewell move northeast and are over between 400-500 AD in the New York area though.
The "narrow neck" is one of the most important geographical point of references for the meso-model. The heartland model requires that Lake Erie extend beyond what it does today, to create a 'narrow neck' from 600bc to 400ad. Is there a source someone could point me to that supports this or even suggests it? For the record I'm not here to be combative I personally don't care which model however, I tend to believe Joseph Smith's references to Nephite artifacts and locations, fwiw.
Hello! Research the Great Black Swamp and the Grand Kankakee Marsh, how deep those areas were during the Hopewell time period, and how they were drained in the 1800s. Also, I believe the Western Interior Seaway, Hudson Seaway, and ancient Lake Nipissing and ice age are all much more recent than popular science says. I believe they existed shortly after the Flood and continental split (which The Bible says are also much more recent than popular science says), slowly draining during Jaredite/Nephite times, and were probably gone during the great destruction at the time of Jesus Christ's death.
How do you reconcile the accounting of Lehi traveling to the Indian Ocean and sailing from Bountiful around the Gulf area to the Americas? So many scholars believe they sailed via the Indian and Pacific Oceans to the west coast of the USA, NOT the east coast/Florida as you describe.
I’m not saying your wrong. I’m just asking how you reconcile that?
If Lehi had landed on the east coast he would have had to sail around the Cape of Good Hope. It would have been very stormy as they had experienced, for sure. But also there have been scholars who have identified what they believe is the oceanic channel that was used, sailing east, south of India and China and through the Philippines.
Good question! The Phoenicia Expedition ship has done it twice using 2 different Atlantic routes. It's all right here in my video about it - ruclips.net/video/RQQ0x-4hh-c/видео.html
@@MichaelP_IsMe thank you! I’m going through your videos one by one and just saw that one yesterday! I appreciate your thorough research! These all make sense to me, at least so far! 👍🏼
This sounds fascinating! The only thing that makes me doubtful is that I would think the Nephites/Lamanites would have mentioned the extreme weather changes in their accounts, especially if it had affects on wartime.
They mentioned worlwinds, storms etc. Also the climate changed in early 1800's due to a volcanic eruption and things haven't been the same since
The Book of Mormon also mentions the area where animals would migrate.
@@SecondDwight It's referring to BISON
@@traviss5100 Yes, and probably several other species now extinct.
FALSE INFO!
claiming Native American and Mexican artifacts , culture, history, and land to be theirs when these cultures had their own history .
Perpetuating a lie form the book of lies " The Book Of Mormon " written by a con artist when he did not know any Jewish language ,translated from tablets with a rock that NO ONE HAS EVE SEEN! all whilst plagiarizing other aspects of different religions and cultures and calling it their history instead of THE TRUTH!
The ancient land is here and it's not in the middle east. We have been lied to about everything.
What do you mean exactly? Name me a land that is not ancient.
Why do all of those artifacts stylistically look like they were crafted in the early to mid 19th century?...
scott jansen because there is nothing new under the sun.
Cool :D So how does this relate with Alma 63 and the people of the pacific being "the people of hagoth"? Like what would be the narrow neck of land and stuff in your opinion?
Look at Wayne May's material. He explains the narrow neck of land.
The narrow beach of land is between the Great Lakes
What they said:)
Now with it getting so cold snakes would have to hibernate at least three months of the year, how did they stop people from passing for many years. 🥶
No. It started in central and south america. 30 B.C., nephites went to the land northward. This is the start of the Hopewell culture.
It does appear to most people that linking Native Americans to the lost tribes of the Hebrews is a fairly far-fetched to claim.
But the Mormons have got an interesting take on it.
The mounds are interesting so are the artifacts and similarities with words.
But its still a long shot and needs more research.
The names don't sound very Aramaic.
Well the biggest problem is that God said he would sift Israel among all nations of the earth, any place without Isrealites would prove the Bible false. So all Christians have a problem if DNA works the way they are pretending it does to claim The Book Of Mormon false.
I don't see parts 3 - 11, what's the anticipated schedule? Can't wait! You explain things very well, I have watched the first two parts with my family for FHE.
+Brinda Bair , thanks! Life has been very busy lately, and these videos are very enjoyable hobbies for me. It would be awesome if my employment was in such things, but right now, as much as I love sharing these things that I've been researching for a few years, there are other priorities I have to see to first :( But I will continue to make the videos as often as I can!
+Brinda Bair Sorry, I forgot to send you this link for Part 3 :)
ruclips.net/video/H2bk-UtYGbc/видео.html
Adena culture and (maybe?) Hopewell culture ran up into the Lake Winnepeg area. The geography up there (and the "seas") might factor into the potential BofM geography...
Good content. Sweeter Stereo. Keep the vids coming.
Thank you for the time you spent researching and presenting this information. Very informative. You explain things really well 10/10
+Daniel Randell , thanks! I am really trying to keep it basic. I've learned SO MUCH more than what I've shared in the 2 videos and will share in the remaining 9 videos. I hope people will start researching this stuff on their own :)
I need to see the remaining videos. I can tell you've learnt loads. Thank you for sharing. I'll spread the links to my friends.
Daniel Randell Thanks! And what I've shared in these videos is not even scratching the surface of what I've learned over the years :) I wish this was my profession so that I could put more time into making better videos, but unfortunately, I am limited to only making short, simple videos every now and again, due to higher priorities and time restraints. Good luck in your research, and have fun! There's so much to learn!
;)
There are a number of reasons why New World archeology (not just Book of Mormon archeology) is much more difficult than the Old World. Some of those reasons include 1) little continuation of language and name-places, 2) destruction of much of the evidence by those who conquered the native people, 3) a much more moist climate, 4) a much longer history and more research going into the Middle East - and there are many more.
That said, there is indeed a plethora of very interesting evidences in the New World. And the Middle East geography is bearing some amazing evidences, including places such as NHM, Bountiful, the trade routes and possible locations for Shazer, Valley of Lemuel and River of Laman.
I came across a reference that the early saints that lived in the Nauvoo area were calling the area across the river Zarahemla before the reference in D&C 125? is there any truth to this?
Interesting videos. I do have a question though and am curious as to how that may fit in. Although the people of Lehi traveled in the 6th century, and populated the land, the mounds of earth were not thrown up until much later. The fortifications that were built were not built until the time of Captain Moroni, in the 1st Century BC.
I don't know what doesn't seem correct to you...Nephites didn't build mounds until Moroni had to...to prevent their annihilation. Earlier on, the Nephites just fled. This matches the historical record.
As to X2a DNA, this is what FAIRMormon said: "Regarding the X2a being evidence for The BOM, this is only possible if you rely on the evidence used from the 1990's when population genetics was in its infancy. However, as more was learned on the subject we see that it is not evidence for The Book of Mormon. The Church has come out and taken a stance on this issue and has said that there currently is no DNA evidence for The Book of Mormon." in comments below RUclips video titled "Summary of Book of Mormon Evidence"
Will you please finish this series?
+Jeremiah Miller , sorry, life's been very busy since Oct. 2015, and my hobbies get pushed down on the list of priorities. But I was able to finish Part 3 yesterday :) Here's the link: ruclips.net/video/H2bk-UtYGbc/видео.html
Thanks!
Your opinions are great! Maybe you'll should published them in a book!
In this video there are several assumptions that do not agree with BoM verses. The most glaring is the entry of Nephites to the chosen land. 1 Nephi 1:17 “we did travel nearly eastward from that time forth.”. They did not sail around Southern America, they entered the continent at a different point and actually came across the Pacific Ocean.
Well done! This video hits it right on with correct fact's and great imagery! Great job¡
where can I find your video showing Hopewell area shaded in colors? Also the video of the shaded areas of Lamanites surrounding the Nephites?
cant wait for the rest!! thanks for teaching and sharing!!
I'm not Mormon I have read all of the comments on the Video and went to all the Peoples Channels who have been arguing the content of this Post.I have found that on those Channels are Video posting of negative content of the Mormons Beliefs Coming from Ex members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. I see Contempt and anger and Hate being vented out from these You-tubers ( I guess that is normal on RUclips anywhere lol) Why don't you guys who hate these people JUST USE THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE AND SAY "THESE ARE NOT THE MOUNDS YOUR LOOKING FOR! Interesting these mounds even exist.
Excellent point
Amen to that!
Amen brother
If you had given over 40 years of your life, your time, 10% of your income, and taught your children these things, and then found out that it was all untrue, how would you feel? I compare it to having been married to one person all your adult life and then discovering that your spouse had been unfaithful to you the whole time. How would you feel about that? It's normal for ex-Mormons to go through a period of bitterness at the sense of betrayal. Fortunately, we do reach a time where the bitterness is gone and only a determination to right the wrong takes its place. "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed; if we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." J. Reuben Clark.
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Well done. Many are unable to separate their learned beliefs or prejudices from the ability to research subject and maintain a fair and open mind to the elements of findings that unfold.
It "requires a Mature Minded Wisdom, to accept that there will be time, our learned views will encounter challenges". One must also "have a MOST Logical understandIng of reality and self, knowing that humans are limited to the resources made available to them and their guaranteed factor of percent of error" -
Which arrives at the final point: "One must have a quest for the greater truths and facts, with a willingness to adapt to the findings."
If you simply walk in to the research knowing fair well that things have been lost from the past through, "judgmental opinions, desire for protecting power, desire for control, physical location without access to the knowledge, book burn8ngs, library burnings, conspiracies, and simple forgetfulness, among other reasons -
The odds are - no one person or group, is all knowing, all right, nor likely to find - ALL THE ANSWERS...
Then the journey holds so much, so many possibilities, so many options along the way...
Humble attitude, Confidence in greater goals -
...and there will always be a-plenty of Know-it-all's, filled with arrogance and selfish of purpose.
Church historians say that D&C 125 allowed the saints to name the Stake across the river from Nauvoo, Zarahemla. In the Book of Mormon, the river Sidon does flow along the east side of Zarahemla, which seems to make it obvious to most readers that the Iowa Zarahemla could be the Book of Mormon Zarahemla. But you can't stop there. Manti is at the headwaters of the river Sidon, and is close to the narrow strip of wilderness that separates the land of Zarahemla from the land of Nephi. There are several citations throughout the Book of Mormon that place the narrow strip of wilderness and the land of Nephi south and west of the land of Zarahemla. Therefore, we can conclude that not only is Manti southward of Zarahemla, but that the river Sidon flows from south to north. The Mississippi River flows from north to south - the wrong way!. You're looking at the wrong river. That said, I have no doubt that the children of Lehi multiplied and covered most of what is now the eastern United States and southern Canada. But I think the Book of Mormon historically covers only western New York and round about. A good book to refer to is titled "The Book of Clues for Book of Mormon Geographers" on Kindle.
I love this! Keep up the good work brother!
The Hill Comorah in New York was called that because the early saints gave it that as a nickname and it stuck-there's scant evidence that this is the same hill. Mormon buried the plates (save it were these, meaning the gold plates) in the Hill Comorah.
ok but what about Wayne May and the Great Lakes settings, the ore there etc.?
Wayne May doesn't think the Book of Mormon only took place around the Great Lakes. Wayne May is a supporter of it taking place mostly within the Hopewell interaction sphere (the Atlantic coast to the Rocky Mountains, and the Gulf coast up into Canada).
I have my God gift of testimony that the Book of Mormon and the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints is God given true. It never occurred to my interest to look for or forward for evidence of the Book of Mormon.
Does the LDS come to the aid of Native Americans concern in land claims?
If millions of people are dying in battle for over 1000 years in the midwest and the south, don't you think there would be some archeological evidence to support it? I mean a sword, or chariot, or any evidence supporting massive wars? I don't think burial mounds quite justifies such a large claim.
***** +Carlos Mendez - Patience boys, patience. This is only 1/11 of a full video. There is plenty more to come. And even the full video is, as I said in the introduction, "barely scratching the surface". In the meantime, I encourage you to do some further study of the Hopewell, the Adena, and The Book of Mormon.
+Frank Dowling One of the "problems" of finding skeletons in the rather wet earth in the north-east. Remains simply rot away very quickly. A far as other findings are concerned, archeologists do fight for recognition and will attack each other to claim fraud by the other. I may be a matter of throwing pearls before the swines.
+Reinier Nielander Well There hasn't been too much of a problem finding skeletons buried in the mounds that are the focus of this video. Also Joseph Smith was able to find the remains of Zelph with little difficult. It seems to me that finding hundreds or thousands of years old skeletons hasn't been a problem for that region of America. Also, massive wars don't just leave behind bodies, but swords, breastplates, helmets, etc. Those things don't rot and would remain for us to find. So again, not much proof for this position. Besides, didn't Joseph Smith say the Book of Mormon took place in Guatemala?
+Frank Dowling You'd think, with all the thousands of lamanites and nephites who fought to the death on the hill cumorah, that the LDS church would dig into the hill and find evidence in the form of bones, metal weapons, etc. But, for some strange reason, nothing has been unearthed, probably because the church hierarchy knows there is nothing in that hill.
@@dow30000 No, he didn't. There is plenty of evidence of Book of Mormon in North America...you just have to search, and not make judgements before you have.
Can you focus more on Ohio? Southeastern area between what is now Minford and South Webster along the Little Scioto river.
are you taking the position that the Kinderhook plates are not a hoax?
I watched this yesterday. I don't remember him mentioning the Kinderhook plates. There's some interesting commentary on the subject in episode 7 of Hidden in the Heartland. There's no perfect answer why J. Smith attempted an interpretation of them with something about ham and Pharaoh, but as far as I understand, J. Smith lost interest in the plates within a few days, never published a translation of them, and the people who played the hoax didn't reveal that it was a hoax until many years later. Those are more compelling facts to me that support Joseph Smith being a prophet than one simple attempted translation of one sentence, which isn't as significant and something Mike Norton overreacted about.
and by the way, you're not taking the Ohio Decalogue stone or the Bat Creek stone to be hoaxes either are you?
Here’s my honest question growing up and being raised in the church I always understood that church’s narrative was that the bom took place in central and South America. If you watch the church’s movie the testament it promotes the idea that the bom happened in Central America. If the church was promoting that idea wouldn’t the lord correct the prophet and reveal where the bom actually took place?
Hello Los Cosmos, all of Joseph Smith's confirmed statements on Book of Mormon people and locations deal only with North America, most of which he declares as revelation. In HC 6:318-19, it is assumed that Joseph Smith meant North and South America when he said "The whole of America is Zion itself from north to south," but the whole statement is this, "The whole of America is Zion itself from north to south, and is described by the Prophets, who declare that it is the Zion where the mountain of the Lord should be, and that it should be in the center of the land." So 1) the "mountain of the Lord" is the temple - Most Church members know that. And 2) the temple of Zion will be in Independence, Missouri, the New Jerusalem and center of Zion, revealed in the Doctrine & Covenants - Most Church members know that. And 3) New Jerusalem and its temple will be in "the center of the land" of Zion, as Joseph said in the whole statement above. So if Zion is both continents of North and South America, then where would "the center of the land" and the New Jerusalem and its temple have to be? Down in Panama somewhere, because that is the center of North and South America. But most Church members know that God clearly says in the Doctrine & Covenants that the New Jerusalem and the temple will be in Independence, Missouri, which is waaaay off from being in the center of the land of Zion, if Zion is North and South America. But another way to see Joseph's statement is this: The name "America" has always been a very common shortened name for "The United States of America" (one that even Joseph often said), and in Joseph's day, the South hadn't left the Union yet, but the division between the northern and southern states was happening, and Joseph knew as early as 1832 that the Civil War would happen (as revealed in the D&C), so when he says "The whole of America is Zion itself from north to south," he could very well have meant "The whole of the United States of America is Zion itself from the northern states to the southern states", and Independence, Missouri is nearly in "the center of the land" of the United States, or Zion (and if California ever does fall off into the ocean, then it will be dead-center in the land, but I hope not, because I like California!). So that's what I think. However, I know there are confirmed statements by Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, and Joseph Fielding Smith speaking of both North and South America, but I haven't found any where they declared their statements as revelation, so it could just be their thoughts on the matter, perhaps based on Joseph's quote above. My thoughts on the matter used to be North and South America as well, but I am currently of the North America opinion, based on all that Joseph Smith said, what's in The Book of Mormon text, and the strong similarities between 1) the Jaredites and Nephites/Lamanites and 2) the Adena and Hopewell mound-builder cultures. Whereas the ancient cultures down in Central/South America are very similar to east Asian cultures. The exact same style of pyramids and artifacts are found all over south and east Asia. Even Maya and Guatemala are Hindu and Buddhist words. The director of The Testaments is actually on video saying that he now feels that he made the movie in the wrong location, even though it's a great movie, and wishes he would have made it in North America. I have no problem with people who believe The Book of Mormon happened in both North and South America. The only real problem I have is when people say it only took place in a small area of Central America and that the Hill Cumorah is really in Central America somewhere. No prophet has ever said or supported Cumorah being in Central America, but have only supported the New York Cumorah. Joseph Fielding Smith actually spoke out several times against Cumorah being in Central America.
This model is a joke. They misquote a couple of statements from Joseph Smith Jr., and like Evangelicals with verses from the Bible, try to force them to fit, the more problems are pointed out for their model, the harder they try to make it fit.
Have you read “He Walked the Americas” by L. Taylor Hansen? It’s by a lady who lived among the natives in North and South America for about 40 years gathering their stories about the “pale God“ who visited them. Every nation was considered heathen before he arrived, except for the Hopewell mound building nation. Her studies eventually led her to join the church in the 60s and she died in the 70s. Worth the read
i have a question, is that picture of the plate at 1:26 was that drawn b.c? or no
Good job Michael =)
First video earthquake of 1811 and 1812 is supposed to be an earthquake that occurred during Christ crucifixion? I think that might be a typo of some kind.
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There are several Mound sites in Arkansas
Eureka Springs is really cool too 😊
And if the ancestors of the Native Americans were of Mediterranean origin why were they so vulnerable to Eurasian diseases? And why did they not bring cow, sheep, goats, chickens or horses to this continent?
not animals but they did in fact bring barley
which is a Mediterranean staple food
@@ategabbysev2993 You didn't answer my questions. Why were they so vulnerable to Eurasian diseases? Why did they not bring sheep, chickens, horses, or cattle?
What about these supposed red haired giants and the fallen angels? Where I live in New England we have "glacial erratics" that are perfectly balanced megalithic stone boulders orientated to the sun, moon and stars. The local Narraganset Indian historical preservation society has a professional surveyor and has found these stones represents constellations.
Michael, May I suggest that most Mormons make a mistake about dates, just as most Jews and Christians make mistakes about the dates in the Old Testament. The Book of Mormon, like the Torah and the New Testament, has no dates in it. We get our dates from constant repetition by religious scholars, not from any dates in those books. Rather than occurring thousands of years ago as our brainwashing has taught us to believe, the events in Genesis happened in the 12th and 13th Centuries AD. Many of them occurred in the USA in Missouri, Illinois, and other states. Remnants of the real Egypt still exist in the Midwest, including the "Mound Builders," who had cities bigger than London at the time. Illinois has the towns of Cairo and Thebes, right at the junction of the Ohio and Mississippi. Historians tell us settlers named those towns in the very eary 19th century, before Joseph Smith found the Book of Mormon. But Egyptology did not exist in 1802 or so and didn't really start until about 1820. How did settlers name a town Karnak when no one knew the name at the time?
Joseph Smith found the plates at hill Cumorah because Moses passed by there during the Exodus from Illinois on his way to Europe. Many states have obvious Hebrew names. Nebraska means Candlestick. Strong's Hebrew 5043. Dakota means something like "Crushed Her" in Hebrew. Dak means crush. SH 1790 and 1792. Ota means her. Okla-homa has the Hebrew work for food from prey. SH 402. The list goes on.
In Hebrew they call Egypt Mizraim. The -im ending indicates the plural. Take it off and you get Mizra, just like natives of Missouri call Missouri, or Misra.
I have made several videos on the misdating of the Torah and the deception in where evens occurred:
ruclips.net/video/ue4d8ZAtE5g/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/JS7mJ7RCR3M/видео.html
What about carbon dating?
@@mfiorito5550 Carbon dating has no validity. When archaeologists submit items for carbon dating, they must give an estimate of the date as part of the protocol. Remarkably the dates always come back near those estimates. People have written many articles about the problems of carbon dating. Willard Libby, the "discoverer" of carbon dating, got the Nobel Prize for the discovery. That in itself makes it suspect.
Cute joke. The Dead Sea Scrolls disprove your claims.
Only uncritical thinkers would accept the "discovery" of the dead sea scrolls in 1946 as anything other than a plant. Miraculously no curious children or others ever investigated these caves for thousands of years until after the Zionists took over Palestine. "Discovered" by unknown shepherds with the deep involvement of the family of Yigael Yadin, one of the leading Zionist families. Decades ago Solomon Zeitlin wrote a book where he argued the dead sea scrolls came from medieval Europe. Although everyone accepts Zeitlin as one of the great scholars of the Hebrew language, all "good" scholars reject his conclusions because they don't go along with the received narrative. Why do people buy the received timeline? Because they want to believe and not see themselves as dupes. "There's a sucker born every minute." @@bartonbagnes4605
I went down the rabbit hole today after realizing how persistent the missionary is who has been trying to contact me once a week for the past 6 months is. A Cristian sect of worship originating I north america is wild.
Could the rock wall of Texas be from the Nephies most say it is not man made but it's stacked up and lines up with the sun when it comes up and down. Or the Jaredits one big head was found but if walls it's 3 miles wide and goes around like a fort or castle same size as zarahma.
I don't need to believe or "know in my heart" that Joseph Smith was a prophet to KNOW the entire world seems to have criss crossed the western hemisphere at sometime in history.
So how come there is no bronze or iron?
1:18 is written in hebrew, the same alphabet used today, it says "Torat YHWH" meaning "the Torah of G'd"
Hey cousin! Great video! Well put together with great information. It all makes sense now!! Thanks for sharing!! 😀
Thanks Jen! It's very fun to learn about the mound-builders :)
FALSE INFO!
claiming Native American and Mexican artifacts , culture, history, and land to be theirs when these cultures had their own history .
Perpetuating a lie form the book of lies " The Book Of Mormon " written by a con artist when he did not know any Jewish language ,translated from tablets with a rock that NO ONE HAS EVE SEEN! all whilst plagiarizing other aspects of different religions and cultures and calling it their history instead of THE TRUTH!
Sources would really help. Hopewell originated in Ohio not Florida, then spread from Ohio. There were Moundbuilder cultures in the South long before Hopewell, such as at Poverty Point, Louisiana, but those date back long, long before 500 BC.
As I said, this is "tip of the iceberg" stuff. I don't have time to make extremely long and detailed videos, especially when I do it for free out of personal interest. These videos are simply to intrigue people to go do their own research. I know there are mound builder civilizations before the Hopewell that were all over this continent. The Adena date well into the 2000s BC. The Hopewell culture boomed in Ohio around the 100s/200s BC, but they didn't start there. Hopewell isn't even their real name. They're simply called Hopewell, because the first "official" U.S. excavation of their culture was in Ohio on the property of a man named Mordecai Hopewell. That doesn't mean the culture began in Ohio. Different states have different opinions on where the Hopewell began, but when people do their own research and start putting the pieces together without bias towards one state over another, the trail points back to 2 separate places that eventually merged together at least somewhat. Those 2 places are the Florida/Georgia area and Iowa. The Iroquois say their ancestors came in boats across the Atlantic Ocean and landed in the Florida/Georgia area. Mohawks (an Iroquois tribe up in the New York are) sometimes include alligators in their art, because they say it was the first animal their ancestors saw when they got off the boat. Algonquins say their ancestors came in 8 turtle-shaped boats across the Atlantic and into the St. Lawrence Seaway. They even call North America "Turtle Island". Many people have come to both the Atlantic and Pacific coast of both American continents long before Columbus and even long before the Vikings.
This would make more sense genetically speaking. Because the Native Americans in the heartland and Great Lakes area have a significant genetic resemblance with peoples of the Middle East, whereas Central and South Americans have almost no resemblance with them, and are more genetically tied to Mongolian and Siberian peoples.
Some of us were already here! Mount Nebo is in Utah Jasper is in Canada.
I'm a north east america theory type of guy.
It’s some solid information, but doesn’t Florida seem too small the house the entire laminate population?? They were 2 to 3 times the size of the nephites throughout the book of Alma... and if they were past borders of Florida, then where was the narrow neck of land
Is this all from the book that allegedly was dug up and read by one man and nobody else ever saw it?
You are delusional. At least 11 others saw it. Some even touched it. Their testimonies are written in the front of The Book of Mormon. Lies are from Satan. You clearly are a Satanist.
Holy cow the delusion in these comments is unreal. Do you people get all of your data from Sunday School? Jeez Louise
No. From your mom
Thanks for doing these videos! I've thought this for a long time after doing research to write a novel with Joseph Smith in it and Zion's Camp!
great job on your presentation. The Nephites ARE the Hopewell people. Hopefully more members will embrace this information. Their testimonies would be strengthened of the reality of the people in The Book of Mormon.
Interesting perspective of sequence of events .
Awesome..,.
What about Ammon, his obsidian sword is very well documented in meso America?
how'd they get there?
Ships. DUH!! The Book of Mormon is true. Have a read for yourself.
The historicity of the Book of Mormon has never been established and no location has ever been officially acknowledged by the church. For the BoM to be historically accurate it must conform to the time, thinking system, place and technology it espouses otherwise it is anachronistic. It does not and should only be viewed as fiction.
I do not wish anyone to be mislead. Nobody in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints should be trying to show 'evidence' of the Book of Mormon through scientific research. The purpose of the Book of Mormon, like the Bible, is to lead a sincere seeker to Christ. A promise in the final portion of the Book of Mormon, by the prophet Moroni directs us to pray with real intent to know if the book is true. The promise is that if you are seeking with real intent you can know by the power of the Holy Ghost that it is true. I tried it over 40 years ago and got an answer to my prayer by the power of the Holy Ghost. I was subsequently baptised into the Church that is led by Jesus Christ in these last days.
BYU has been doing scientific research for years. ;) Sadly not much of their research was done in the actual promised land.... ;-) Guatemala, choice above all other lands and a land of liberty? lol The Book of Mormon is true. These people existed. There are treasures of knowledge for the individual to find, who wants to understand the vital importance of the prophecies and promises and warnings in the Book of Mormon.,
Question: If these mounds were in fact made by Israelites who came from the Middle East after 600 B.C.E. -- hundreds of years into the Iron Age -- then where is the bronze and iron?
There is plenty of copper among the artifacts in the mounds -- a metal which can be picked up and smacked with a rock into shape. There's even shark teeth from the Carolinas and obsidian from Wyoming buried among them. But there is no evidence of smelting of copper and tin to make bronze, nor of smelting the very abundant iron ore in the Ohio region (the area is dotted with furnaces from the 19th century, requiring no power equipment to mine or smelt in the early days of the iron boom there). Smelting leaves not only artifacts made from bronze and iron, but also waste products like dross which do not decay and can be found thousands of years later.
So these "Israelites" just magically forgot how to make more advanced tools on their boat ride despite ample local resources? Or is it that you're trying to fit the evidence to the narrative written by a guy who read the same books you are citing -- a guy who was, in fact, being racist against the Native American people who had been crippled by war and disease when Joseph Smith insinuated that they were so backwards that they were incapable of something as complex as literally making piles of dirt?
very interesting stuff
Thank you Michael 👍
I remember I learn about Christopher Columbus at school about he sail to America which he didn't...
i don't doubt your information. but wow. you might want to credit wayne may and rod meldrum for doing all of th work you present here.
Check out the end of all of my videos, as well as the description boxes of all of my videos.
Too bad the Church is afraid of offending main stream archaeologists! Afraid of cancel culture. God said: "Fear not what man can do"
great research, thanks for bringing all this evidence together for very interesting presentation
I can't get enough of this. When I'm having a rough day and I need a good gut laugh, this never disappoints. The part you don't see is when he goes to Burger King and accidentally squirts ketchup in his hair. What am I supposed to do? ...he says. This isn't supposed to happen. I paid my fucking tithing didn't I? And now their out of napkins...this is so wrong....Daddy, please tell me what's going on! My head hurts!
Yes, duh, we all know that the American indians lived in north and south america, built cities, fortified structures..which Joseph Smith saw around his area as well he could have described just by looking at them himself...why Smith even knew about those adobe homes and small clay towns, Canadian fort like structures, etc ..and cities found in Mexico, and in other parts of SA. but all this says nothing about them in connection to JS storybook of M.
frankly, I find all of this to be very vague, biased, full of innuendo ...uneducated speculation, pseudo conjecture, and ultimately , just sheer wishful thinking. ...
Nice Mike.... Keep doing what your doing....Your easy to understand.....Eventually MesoAmerica will be put to rest☺
It won't be put to rest because in all likelihood Christ went there also to another branch of the house of Isreal! He likely visited Australia also and possibly other locations. The only thing it will put to bed is that the BofM didn't take place in Central or South America. However He was there and we will eventually recieve that record! In Jacobs allegory of the olive tree which was really by the Prophet Zenos there are 5 main branches transplanted which would indicate the Jewish, the Nephite/Lamanite, the lost 10 tribes and at a minimum of two other branches! Who are they? Where were they transplanted? I think one key to understanding who these other branches are is to look at those indigenous cultures that were smitten and scattered like the other branches. Also look at the myths, legends and oral history of those cultures. Quetzoacoatle is a prime candidate for Christ visiting in Central America although the historical account has been distorted and perverted. We will one day have the historical account of that visitation unadulterated.
@@darrisellis8810Mesoamerica fits way better than Heartland, and continues to more and more. Especially with the Mayan writings we have, that read like cliff notes to The Book Of Mormon.
Funny that Jeremiah didn’t mention anything about the trip to America. The two baskets of figs.
I prefer to consider the possibility that the Nephites pushed as far south as Caral Peru and Paracas home of the Paracas skulls . Food for THOTH
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints currently makes no official declaration of where the Book of Mormon took place..." Kinda says it all, doesn't it? I would bet that if there had been even ONE archeological or linguistic or cultural evidence that the BoM is a true historical record, the Mormon church would have made an OFFICIAL statement to the world. Since there is NO such evidence, they just say that members must 'have faith'.
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints currently makes no official declaration of where the Book of Mormon took place, other than it was somewhere in the ancient Americas." Why not? If it really is the true church, and the BoM is an authentic historical record, why not definitively declare where it took place? Bible cities and lands are officially recognized and can be toured today. We know exactly where Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Nazareth, and other biblical cities are located. But where is the city of Zarahemla? Where is the land Bountiful? Where is the 'narrow neck of land'? If the current leaders truly were "prophets, seers, and revelators", they could simply ask God for clarification on the subject. All the controversy and questions could be easily answered.
However, it's a fact that for over a hundred years the Mormon church promoted the idea that the ancient Mayan and Aztec ruins were evidence of the authenticity of the BoM. I have an official copy of the BoM, published by the Mormon church, with full color photos of South American ruins and temples bound into its pages. Is this not an "official position" as to where the supposed Nephite and Lamanite civilizations lived?
As to the Moundbuilder cultures, they were readily available to Joseph Smith, and that is even better evidence that he drew heavily on them to write his book. To now attempt to prove that the Book of Mormon people were actually the Moundbuilder cultures is in direct contradiction to what the Mormon church taught for decades. It's no wonder the church "makes no official declaration of where the Book of Mormon took place". They can't, because it is not authentic, and they know it. And they would rather leave it up to individual members to go around showing slides and giving talks to convince other members that the book is an actual historical record instead of a well-spun yarn. How can the church of Christ be based on such deceit?
+deskjockie49 Thank you!
All readily available AFTER publication, perhaps. I don’t see the connection to cause. :-/
Nephites clearly described their villages (cities) as built with wood and Moroni, the last Nephite, described every Nephite city as being completely burned and destroyed, 1200 years before any white man even came to America so the chance of finding Book of Mormon cities is not possible. Jerusalem is the only Bible city that is 100% verified by archaeologists, primarily because it was continually inhabited by people after the Jews were banished from it but no other Bible city has been truly identified, only speculated on. The narrow neck of land is most-likely the land between Lakes Ontario and Erie which the Algonquin have historically called Niagara, which means narrow neck.