Rocket League's Rank Crisis, Explained
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Rocket League has faced a growing problem with it's rank ladders, one that is pretty unique to the game itself, and one without a concrete solution. So what is this rank issue? And how are Psyonix going to solve it?
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Spent alot of time on this one, hope you enjoy!
What's your rank range looking like? Mine is abysmal.
Thanks for the time on this one, it was interesting! I personally think each rank has its variances not only because of player count ratios but also the skills required to excel in said rank. As most people like the flashy mechanics and to 'flex', they do better in 2's because it encapsulates the methods of fancier solo goals (classic ignoring the easy centre pass for an open net). It essentially is the most 'ball chasing' mode of the three main modes, so it has more like minded players up to the highest GC ranks which cancels out a lot of the faults of that style. In 3's, this gets exposed much more, there are more players to 'beat' with the mechanics and there is less boost available as it is shared out more by good rotation. Many low Gc's are in the diamond and low champ ranks not because of play time or player count, but purely because of the additional dimensional thinking required for 2 more players on the field. If I make sense. Essentially, its a more complex mode that still requires skill but one of which is more varied and spread across a variety of attributes, not just fancy mechanics. Tactical>technical. 1's is so damn hard because it is a much more pressure filled mode, it lasts forever as it typically has a much higher goal count and doesn't have team mates to watch your successes or cover your errors. I am a GC in 2's but in 1's, I either smash it against other GC's or fumble it against Diamond 2's. I have high anxiety so its sadly not for me!
Its probably why Snow day has GC's at Plat ranks or why Diamonds are very good at Dropshot. Hoops is fairy balanced to be fair. Waffling over!
Fantastic video as always and i love the topics you cover and conversations you start!
I disagree with your suggestion of the daily MMR drop. i think it more punishes those who don't play as often and rewards those heavy grinders who arent deserving of their ranks in the first place and i think it is those people who were targetted by this harsher MMR reset because then they need to grind their 51% win-rate for either hundreds of games or even multiple seasons to get back to their inflated ranks.
As a player who barely has time to play but who when does usually dusts the cobwebs off quickly to get back to the same level... I think a possible better solution would be to both give more than 10 placements per mode each season e.g. 20, with a far bigger MMR + or - for each game of placements to a point where it is more strictly reaccessing a players skill level, but with a more scientific number of games. That way these 51% win rate grinders wont be able to start so high.
Then my main want is to proportion the base season reset MMR drop a player has each season in relation to the amount of games they played in that competitive mode in the prior season...
E.g. I am a GC1-2 player but i played
Gold3 to champ 1
Was C3, now im Diamond, #FeelsAccurateMan
C1 2v2, D2 3v3, P3 1v1 (im basically always playing againts champ players in plat 1v1😅)
Makes sense to me. In 2s, it's easy to communicate with a single person, rotation is self explanatory, and there is enough space to take your time with mechanical setups. In 3s, everything becomes more complicated and faster paced, it takes much more effort. Then you have 1s, where the pressure is immense because...well...it's a duel, you have no one to watch your back.
Much more succinct that I was! Well put. Brevity is NOT my strong point xD
rotation in 3s is a lot more straightforward than 2s
2s is hard becuase we get opponents who has the same advantages
@@Outfled at the lower ranks it is but at GC it's much more dynamic and can shift very quickly as the ball changes direction and possession much faster. If 3rd into 2nd is happening but a high challenge pushes the ball into an unexpected place, 1st may have to become 2nd, 2nd into 3rd and 3rd becoming 1st very quickly. Then positioning becomes important as spacing and body facing is key.
I see a lot at champ bad front post rotations into main boost, or wide back boost rotations, double commits into corners and huge gaps in midfield. 3rd sitting deep or 1st not transitioning into 3rd or 2nd but opting for boost over play. That's just the mistakes without considering the ball and opposition positions. 2's is much more simpler in terms of two roles and less variances I guess.
1’s is the only important rank. It’s your true representation of your rank. All other game modes have other factors involved. You can be better than teammates or worse. Then the opponents can also have the same variety meaning you cannot know your true rank in those
Am I wrong or does the player base improving have nothing to do with rank drift? Rank isn't a reflection of your RL skill, it's how you compare to other players. If every single player suddenly got 30% better, no one's rank would change at all.
something about the last argument doesn't sound quite right...
I mean technically you are right. Relatively speaking, if everyone’s rank got 30% better, there wouldn’t be any more or less players that are better or worse than you. But since the ranks are based off mmr, your mmr going up by 30% makes a hell of a difference on what your rank looks like even if you are technically the same skill level as before
That part of the video is a blunder on my part. You are right essentially that playing ranked is a zero-sum game, meaning that the amount of MMR before or after a match is the same. In an airtight model where the playercount is static you would be absolutely right.
What I could've included is the idea of players leaving and entering the ecosystem, which because RL is coming off the free-to-play boon the game suffers a continual loss of players, meaning that *technically* the average player becomes better, since the often more numerous lower-ranked players leave and take their MMR with them, while the people committed to reaching higher ranks are more likely to stay. Which is why Psyonix has to adjust the MMR every season; it's to account for players leaving and joining ranked.
@@NorthstarUK If mmr is being leaked out from the game, wouldn't the remaining players have less of it, leaving them with lower ranks? I'm confused.
@@eterty8335 he is right tho, if avoiding the unpredictable variable of performance
Me and my buddy were diamond for multiple season in a row and then the reset put us back to Plat 2...now we're struggling.
everyone low gc and below is struggling to get back their old rank. its soo sad i cant get back champ either
My biggest issue was that they based it around 1v1s. This was always going to be the option that caused the most backlash. Base it around 3s and 2s players will be a touch upset and the 1s players will find a new sense of joy in life.
While you're right that this option would make more people happy, if they bumped up 1v1 ranks to match 2v2 and 3v3, it wouldn't fix the rank inflation problem; it'd just make it worse. Now they'd have artificially inflated 1v1 as much as the other modes. They'd need to create new ranks above SSL. This would make for good content from pros and high-level players and give them more to grind for. On the other hand, endlessly making more ranks in the face of rank inflation might go as well as printing more money in the face of economic inflation: not very.
@@VoidLantaddI don't agree. GC 1 is already top 1 percent in 2s. And no one I know is a ssl. Ssl is basically pro players and people that are trying to go pro. I don't see a problem with that. After ssl you can look at your mmr and see where you stand in the world rankings like the top 100.
1v1 is the only mode that counts for anything because you're alone, not teammate to blame or carry, just you and your own competence. I just got out of being hardstuck in plat 3 in 1v1 and when I do placement matches all the way back in gold 3 you can easily get diamond 2. I'll say it again, 1v1 is the only mode that counts for anything.
@@icebox1954 and I'll state the obvious, rocket league is a team based game. In the same way basketball and soccer are but can offer some fun in 1v1s. Having teammates opens up this incredible ability for specialization which tends to thrive in almost any situation when applied. For instance, a specialized playmaker, striker, and defender will often perform much better than a team of dedicated 1s players. This is obviously a showing of the advantage of a min-max skill distribution versus a even skill spread. 3s simply offers an advantage to min-max players, while 1s requires that you go for an even spread.
@@kwame20101 That doesn't change what I've written. 3v3 and 2v2 are casual modes for people who don't want to feel responsible for their own mistakes whereas 1v1 have to face the cold hard truth every single game.
1v1 is and has always been the mode where skill defines victory unlike getting carried or hindered in 3v3 and 2v2.
1v1 requires excellence in everything, the other modes require mediocrity in most but one aspect.
Also, the pros actually disagree with you as you can't just be a defensive player, an aggressive player etc, you need to be everything and fill the need your team requires.
3v3 and 2v2 teaches complacency and mediocrity, 1v1 teaches excellence and to constantly improve in any and all aspects because it only takes one mistake to get scored on.
The pros tell you to do 1v1 to improve the most as a player and then when you go semi-pro you do nothing but 3v3 as you are assumed to have all the skills needed to go pro except amazing coordination with one team.
Without 1v1 you'll never be your best, whereas 3v3 only teaches you 3v3 and not personal skill.
As a GC2 last season, it was frustrating to be struggling in low c3 in 2v2. That said, I think it would be cool for c3, for example, to represent a similar skill level across modes. I don't think it's possible, though, with the difference in popularity in modes. That will always be an issue somewhere in the ranked ladder.
I’m in the same boat. I’m a long time player and I hit gc2 div 4 way back in season 3, then stopped playing. Coming back to see the champion ranks a complete mess of what used to be gc1 players is quite uncomfortable, but it will motivate me to actually grind my skill back up to my two peaks (1650mmr pre ssl, gc2 div 4). For months I had simply played to get my rewards and then turned the game off for the rest of the season, and now that it’s difficult again it’s a good motivator. I’ve already climbed 300mmr out of low champ 1 to low champ 3 at this point, the longer I wait into the season the easier matches are getting as players escape the elo hell that is champion right now.
@VeryButtery yeah I'm with you on that. It's weird to be lower mmr with the same level of competition but it's not totally demotivating. I still want to improve and keep climbing. Plus, I think they adjusted the mmr back up a bit, which is nice
yo great video my man, the points you made and the explanations were simple enough that anyone could follow them, big props
Small detail but I really liked the rocket league sounds to go along with the visuals lmfao. However there is one that sounded like I got invited to a party tho and I wanted to check who it was but I didn't even have the game open. Much love this video is extremely well made keep it up!!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🎮 *Rocket League's Unique Rank System*
- Rocket League has distinct rank ladders for each game mode.
- Nine different modes, including competitive, extra modes, tournaments, and casual MMR, contribute to varied rank distributions.
- The main issue lies in the inconsistency of rank distributions across different game modes, causing challenges for players aiming for the same rank.
01:28 📊 *Impact of Rank Drift on Players*
- Rank drift results in different skill requirements to reach the same rank in various modes.
- Season 9's example highlights the significant variation in the proportion of players at Champion 1 in standard, doubles, and solo modes.
- Achieving the same rank holds different values, affecting the perceived skill level of players at that rank.
03:25 ⚙️ *Pysonix's Attempted Solutions and Backlash*
- Pysonix attempted to address the rank drift issue through a significant shift in MMR values across modes.
- Community backlash ensued due to unexpected rank adjustments, leading to a partial rollback.
- The traditional approach of soft resets failed, prompting Pysonix to explore alternative solutions.
04:23 🔄 *Causes of Rank Drift in Main Modes*
- 1v1 mode experiences rank drift due to lower popularity, increased stress, and limited opportunities for improvement.
- 2v2 mode, being the most popular, faces challenges such as smurfing and a more relaxed environment.
- Understanding the causes helps contextualize the disparities in rank distributions.
05:51 📈 *Proposed Solutions and Community Engagement*
- Pysonix aims to implement cross-season changes to prevent modes from drifting apart.
- Suggested improvements include subtle day-to-day MMR adjustments and aligning modes meaningfully.
- Encourages community input to address this complex statistical issue and maintain a balanced rank system.
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nice one using AI to get the info of the video without even watching it,, shows that you have no idea what you're talking about in your own videos.. wonder if you're using this AI to test it can be helpful for your own channel or to rip this ideas from this video :)
I mean, the ranks were bad in the beginning, but now I'm back to where I was last season
Thanks for this video. I always get so angry when I can’t bring my 1s to champ (champ is my rank in every other mode) and I always think I’m just bad at the game. This makes it all make so much sense.
Im not sure that the endgoal should be to keep the 3 modes as close together as possible. They all utilize drastically different skillsets and it makes sense to rank players based on their success with those skillsets.
I think 2s are inflated because of smurfing and booster services. There was a community report that found at Diamond and Champ, 1 in every 6 games had a smurf. Thats a lot.
Agree. As someone who's been champ 1- champ 2 for awhile, the skill disparity between games is absurd. One game getting straight smurfed on. Next game opponents can barely touch the ball properly and/or play with players like skills. Makes climbing exceptionally difficult cause every game you never know what you're going to be playing against. I'd really like to see some solution to the smurfing. At least something to make it more difficult. Also I saw this same video saying 1 in 6 games. But sometimes I feel like there's even more.
Its not only smurfs. Because of solo que and teams are in the same rank , you have a big difference each game. I kept track of my games at Champ 1 to 2 and when I won it was a blow out , 5 goals difference on average , but you also have games where the teammate is tilted , carried to the rank and it is just impossible to win. Now my winrate is about 60 percent till Champ 2 and then it drops of a bit and I also team up with a D1 rank which usually means dropping a few games.
Imo you should have the teams only vs and the solo que only version for 2v2 and 3v3 modes. Maybe even for the extra modes.
@@guitarJK1988 I only play with friends and never with randoms, we mostly only see other teams queued together but there are some games where two randoms beat us pretty bad. Neither of us smurf and we are consistently at the C1/C2 line. Separating these into two new playlists I think would end up killing the game.
It always feels like the teams that aren't paired up together are individually solid, and it is notably more difficult to beat them at 50s and other neutral game decision making. Our victories against most of those tend to come from just solid decision-making and breakaways.
Meanwhile, its the games where people are queued together that we see huge disparity of skill-levels. One person capable of essentially scoring on us both and just depending on the one person behind them to get enough of a touch or block to slow down the play long enough for them to recover.
The smurfing, boosting, and otherwise just overall high level players carrying their friends is the root of the issue. There is a huge difference between a C1 and a C3, and an even larger difference between a GC1 and a GC3. It really needs to be addressed.
@@LunaticSoldiers I played a number of games the other day with my nephew who just started playing. We were being put up against quite a few other teams that would have one bad player on the team. If that is the norm, then people who queue with a friend of equal skill have quite a bit advantage not only with communication but playing a large number of paired teams with one vastly inferior player. I don't get paired up against parties nearly as often when solo queuing 2's
@@cmdrfunk When I play with new players in casual that happens a lot. When I'm playing ranked with someone new who is at the very lowest end of where the two ranks can play together I end up getting another team that is even with us (One good, one not as good) ) or two players "In between" us but just good enough that I can't carry.
The matchmaking system itself certainly needs to have another once-over to make sure it is accurately balancing teams. I won't deny that. But I'd also be lying to you if I said that we only ever saw other duos together where one was carrying the other. Often we just pick out someone who seems to struggle against our playstyle and try to put them in situations where they are uncomfortable and it works out for us. In the games where one player is significantly better than the other, often the "bad" player is still high Diamond or Low Champ levels of skill, so we're basically going against someone a notch below us and 6 notches above us. i.e. Boosters/Smurfs. It's annoying.
Great Video! Good voice for this type of thing / articulated everything perfectly, keep it up!
Smurfing is awful in RL. Especially when next game ur tm8 leaves bc of bad connection. Then it takes 4 games to get back to where you were , before you run into another Smurf
They need to crack down on smurfing to fix the ranks. If multiple people report a player for “xp farming,” then RL should look into games played, win streak, teammate, and possibly footage. There’s nothing worse than grinding 2’s and having someone who absolutely got carried as your teammate and a couple games later you play against a GC disguised as a D3.
The answer seems simple to me, the brackets should shift to match the player percentiles, such as top 1% = gc 2-5% = champ etc
Very well made video from an underrated creator (only 6.8k subs at the time). First video I've seen by you, but definitely a great introduction!
i literally just touched gc (1435) for the first time soloq in 3s on the last day of last season didnt even get my rewards, and i got sent all the way back down to c2 and im literally fighting for my life at 1250 when i was comfortably at like 1350 last season its insane
yup same here, GC in 2's last season (with rewards luckily) but fighting tooth and nail to stay in C3 lol
In season 9 I was Diamond 3 in 3v3s and only barely made it to C1 at the end of the season. At the same time, I was Diamond 3 in 3v3s and also with that I almost got to C1.
But since season 10, I started dropping and dropping and was fighting for my life in D1 and even dropped down to Plat 3 earlier this season. Even now I’m still not comfortably at least D3, but at least slowly but surely I’m climbing and trying to get back. So frustrating and I just did not know what the problem was, cuz it seemed very weird to me that even tho back then in 2s and 3s I was at least D3 and I’m way better now than back then and even peaked into C2 in 2s, I’m still much lower in 3s than back then when I wasn’t even as good as now…
U need 10 gc wins to get gc reward
@@EricGoingCrazy i know bruv i hit gc with like 3 hours of the season left and i had to go to work right after lol
I hit C1 last season in 2s (barely) and now struggling heaps in d3 while I’ve improved quite a bit since then already
thanks for covering this topic. It seems no one is pointing to the obvious culprit for rank drift. The main reason why we have so many GCs in 2v2 is not because of the above...It is simply because of F2P and alt accounts. High rank players are more likely to have a second or third account. So the most played competitive mode will see the most duplication of accounts. Those alt accounts can be smurf accounts like you mention, but many players also have a second account just for chill or friends at the same rank they are on their main account. Please make the community aware of this issue. If we get rid of alt accounts via identity verification (phone or email), we will solve rank drift and smurfing.
They won't address this. If they did, they'd appear to loose players which would be bad for the share price.
Nah it's just because people like playing 2s
Those accounts for "chilling" or "playing with friends" are still smurf accounts.
@@BawlBag maybe, but its the only way i can play ranked with my fam without skewing my main, its the fairest way i have - also for practicing how to play with awful tm8s :}
@@dantakeoffI'd argue that you get much more practice playing with bad tm8's on your main account. If you play with your main, yes you will drop a bit, but naturally you climb back up again. If you play on your main both you and your friends will improve the fastest
this is a really well made video, everything paced well, visuals were attractive enough, audio and music was perfect. first time coming across this channel and I subscribed! can't wait to watch new and old vids dude
the matchmaking and ranking system is what makes it so bad, it would be so much fun if ranked was fixed
I can't remember the last time the 1500 mmr range in 2s was this sweaty! I'm currently fighting for my life trying to break into GC2 lmao!
what used to be easy to get out of c2 is now insanely difficult, dragging all the good players down to this rank
I was a C2 before all of this madness, managed to get back, but the games are so much harder rn
@@JVRD27 That's kinda how new seasons should work though. I'm also still like 80mmr from where i finished last season, but i'll have those back within the next 2 weeks, i'm pretty sure. And that's how it's been the last 2 seasons for me.
I was C1 last season in 2s (barely) and I’m struggling way more in D3 when it felt quite easy last season even though I’ve improved quite a bit already since then
@@JVRD27 Bruh i hear ya.
Why should higher ranks be a certain percentage of the player-base, as opposed to reaching a certain skill floor?
The big issue, is they shafted the 2's playlist to satisfy the 1's playlist. The result is that ex 1600's are now hashing it out in C3/GC1, solo queueing with a good proportion of players who were not 1600..... and the lack of consistency in this compacted area of the playlist means that the natural drift back up has become utterly constipated (win, loss, win, loss, win, loss). The knock on effect of this, is that SSL players have been extremely thinned out and are struggling to get more than 5 games a session due to long queue times. While I don't have the data to prove, I have seen anecdotal evidence that high level players are turning to alternate accounts and smurfing their way up the ladder again just to be able play the game period. And due to the inconsistency in the squashed centre, more and more average players are seemingly teaming with higher level players to get themselves back to their usual GC position.
Plain and simply, the S11 changes were too big and too sudden, even with the walk back.
Hace 2 temporadas era gc2 y ahora estoy en c1dv4 no es normal lo que han hecho con los rangos
I’ve always felt like 1v1 is the best indicator for a players skill level at mechanics
So this is why my 2s rank went from diamond 2 to plat 2
In 2's if you get a tm8 with bad game sense (ball chasers) you can easily play behind them so when they inevitably miss the ball your there to save them. In 3's though, if you get 2 ball chasers, you're at the very least in a 2v3 situation as both your tm8's fight over the ball. You can play back as you watch them flop around in the corners making miss after miss or as they come flying in from an angle that even if they could hit the ball it would result in an easy goal attempt for the other team.
I will always prefer a lower rank tm8 with good game sense over a higher one with good mechanics and no sense. They still miss the ball occasionally but at least they put themselves in a position to actually make a decent play.
You described about 90% of all 3s games in d3/c1 where I hang out, I watch them either double commit like apes the whole game, or one guy hangs back the entire game and never pushes much
@@opliko
TBH, I wouldn't even care about it (I just enjoy playing the game) but they turn around and blame you (and not in a nice way). I'm a low plat myself and I should be. I have terrible mechanics but guess what... you're the same rank (or you're smurfing which is worse) so don't come at me because you think you're "marginally" better.
Anyway, thanks for letting me know things won't get any better as I progress. At least I have that to look forward to.
Sorry for the rant.
@@CeriusDeluge LOL well 3s is just a mess in general below c2 without a team, 2s is a lot better. My policy is if my own teammates are toxic I insta mute them, because screaming children should not be acknowledged lol. I would *never* be spiteful and throw the game after that ;). Remember to have fun and don't care about winning so much as improving(or for me just having a good time)
ballchasers are the epitome of you had one job
@@zxibs3645
ROFL!
2s is a disaster this season jeez
I had no problem with the Rank Drop as I did get my Rank back pretty quick since I did keep my ranks even across the board (D2/D3). Smurfing is still such a problem, however. 1s and 2s get it the worst. People getting inflated by someone on a smurf account in 2s and low GCs/high Champs (who couldn't get higher in ranked), decide to attempt to "beat up on" lower players. Just to get from D1 to D2, I had to play roughly 70% of my games against smurfs in 1s, so I have to work so much harder for a lesser prize, as it were. You get the same MMR whether you play a Diamond II or a GC II and it gets annoying.
EXCUSES. I'd rather play 1v1 against an SSL and lose 100/100 games ALL DAY,
than play against Bronze players and win 100/100 games.
Playing - to win - as a goal in ranked 1v1 - is the STUPIDEST thing you could do to yourself. LMAO.
Only play to win as a goal when there's money involved, idiots.
They should find a way to make smurfing a lot harder or rather impossible then it is today. In my opinionthis is the main reason why the game is sometimes no fun or real crap.
Great video by the way!
Agreed, some nights I go on and play 20 games and 15 of those are blatant smurfs..no cosmetics, ridiculous mechanics and plat 2 playing against diamond 3s but doing ridiculous level mechanics, ruins the game
Well if you just Smurf yourself it gets fun again.
@@grocer3 "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain"
1v1 is the only mode that actually reflects anything meaningful about ranks... the other modes simply have too many variables and if you break it down in a sense they are just mini moments of 1v1, 1v2, 1v3 etc.... essentially 1v1 tests your ability to know when to go and when not to go, as well as how to go.... it's not a surprise that people hate the mode the most and it's the hardest to reach the top in
I was THIS close to reach 1v1 champ today until I had a 1v1 against a top 10 SSL Smurf. This is rocket league
I hate to tell you but champ in 1s is relentless. I’m c3 almost gc in 1s and I’ve been playing ssls almost half my games. Many just don’t play 1s and aren’t smurfs, they are stuck in that lower rank. Not many people Smurf 1s. The reason people Smurf is to carry a friend, not torment you in 1v1
it sure as hell makes you better though
haha same I was one game off c1 in 1s then I got put against an ex 1v1 ssl/current 2v2 ssl
There is nothing wrong that ranks are not the same in different game modes. That is exactly why they are separated!
That makes sense but I suspect people want to average their RL skill based off of three ranks which doesn't work well
Exactly my thoughts
great video dude, underrated channel
Overall really solid video. Well thought out and gives perspectives from both RLs side and the players side.
Percentages aren’t really fair comparison because everyone plays 2’s and many ignores 3’s and 1’s, I could play a couple hundred 2’s games like 10 3’s games and not even finish my 1’s placements, so of course my 2v2 rank will be higher. This also applies to the majority of the player base
Yes, but it's still easier if there is 12.5% of the player base gc. If you grind 3v3 you will probably become like top 8% in 3v3 while you're top 12% in 2v2, but you don't get the gc title. The more players in the playlist, the more easier it gets to hit a rank, and that discourages a lot of people to start playing 1v1 or 3v3
1v1 or 3v3 isnt harder, its harder to hit a rank in those playlists. So more people see it as difficult and dont play the gememode, which makes it even harder for the remaining players. I find the fix good. If you can reach gc easier in 1v1 or 3v3, you would play it a lot more often. (I would at least)
@@Ernie-wl7zw those percentages are C1 tho, not GC. I actually like that in 2's when you get GC its basically the same as being top 1%. I feel like that is pretty accurate for that rank and a nice accomplishment.
@@driesjansen3273 oh yes mb. True btw. I think 2v2 doesnt need to get lowered (or perhaps a little bit), but 1v1 highered.
@@Ernie-wl7zw bro what? people don't hate 1's because it's hard to get a rank. we hate it because it's hard. i'm plat 1 and feel like im versing champs 3's every other game. one game i go 7-1 the next i get 7-1'd. and no it's not "inconsistency" they are just way better for no reason. Also, obviously you'd play more if you got easy rewards. This reset just made smurfing a huge problem for like 3 days. and in no way helped fix the "rank drift".
I understand why there's a drop but I would really like them to do something about smurfing. I was diamond 3 div 3 end of last season and now I'm diamond 1 div 4, but I feel like I run into more and more smurfs. Just earlier today I had someone hit a ceiling shot musty flick three times in one game (we lost 6-3). It was definitely someone's second or third account because they had 28 hours on it and used a bare bones octane.
They probably make money off of smurfing as people pay more money to get the items they want on multiple accounts. The stocktane smurf isn't every smurf.
You’re so underrated ❤ love insightful videos like this
this explains why I was borderline champ in 2s then dropped to diamond 1 in a matter of days. i had no idea
Just fix smurfing in 2's its part of the problem. Playing 2's with a random guy when you had an amazing game and want to play more games together so you pre-made each other because you feel the vibe playing with that random dude but when you do that you often play against pre-mades aswell! And thats when the smurfs are destroying you. Its very different when playing solo games 2's. So the first thing that comes to mind for me is FIX SMURFING!!!!!!!!!
This content is so insanely high quality , you're gonna explode soon fr
thank god psyonix made me go from a 1400 to a 1 100
Good video, appreciate you talking about this topic
I dont understand why they dont just add more ranks to the ranking system it will balance everyone out better instead of keeping the best of the best at the very top ranks which they only allow 1% out of all player's and leaving literally everyone else at way different skill levels in the same rank pool they added ssl, ssl was supposed to be a pro only rank and now look at it pros are like 500+ mmr above an average ssl they need to add more ranks above ssl
This was a really informative video, hope it blows up!
Your channel is so underrated
Quality video!
Thanks!
This will make it difficult for champ players to even grind cause due to the 300 mmr drop more GC players. GCs start grinding back to their ranks but then the people who worked so hard to get to champ or worked hard to get their rank back lose every single match from going against opponents who reached Gc with ease.
Why don’t they just increase the average amount of MMR lost when losing a game unique to each rank
the risk of they do something like that os they could punish players for playing.
the best way to not lose rank would be to just not play.
I wonder if hiding ranks while keeping matchmaking could help. Some games don't show how your rank changed after a match if you've lost, so you have to explicitly check it yourself if you really want to know.
I personally think the biggest issue with 2s and somewhat 3s are the number of people smurfing. It really damages the ranks. It doesn't affect 1s though because people tend to smurf because they're playing with a lower ranked friend. FTP was a great idea to get the player base back up again but it's really screwed the ranking system imo. You just have to look around c3 season 10. Pretty much every game I played the other team had someone with incredible mechanics (SSL level) and then a player that was driving round in a circle and missing the ball constantly.. then you find out they're both C3?!
Smurfing should be a IP ban...Period.
No wonder why I've lost my original rank down to diamond, I left off last season at low c3 and now I can't get back to it
I don't understand why rank drift is a problem at all. If said I was D3 in 1v1, GC1 in 2v2, and D3 in 3v3 would anyone be confused. We all know which modes are easier to rank up in. Does anyone actually have a problem with being different ranks in different modes? I do wish that the modes with lower numbers of players (extras) were less volatile in terms of a players actual skill vs rank.
honestly man, you bring up a good take.i guess some people might find rank drift discouraging if they know they're higher ranked in one playlist than other, or just not "pleasing" to the eyes lol. i do wonder if there is some legitimately damaging effects to rank drift other than slight emotional problems
I think the top % of players depends on the popularity of the mode than the skill of the players. 3v3 probably has 2.5x less players than 2v2 and 1v1 has 5x less than 3v3.
Yeah, this is how I understand it. It's just a different number of players. I don't play 1v1, and rarely 3v3. So I'm usually unranked in those. Which means I shouldnt count towards the percentage, but I'm guessing that the numbers listed, counts me among them anyways. 1% of players are champ in 1v1 because of all the champ players, only like 20% of them are playing 1v1. What they need to do is re-calculate those percentages based off the player count for that mode. It won't be 1% of players anymore. It'll be x% of 1v1 players.
It is about the popularity, but mostly the number of game done more than everything else.
Since rank are achieve by reaching an MMR that means to reach X rank you need a minimum number of game.
So if next season there would be a hard reset and we agree the average MMR win per game would be 10.
1s C1 is 995 MMR so it will be 100 games
2s C1 is 1061 MMR so it will be 107 games
3s C1 is 1075 MMR so it will be 108 games
Meaning someone would have to play about 100 game in 1 season to got a chance to reach the C1 in any games mode. Knowing that almost all player do there placememt in all game mode but majority also stop playing 1s after their placement that how you create the unbalance between each game mode.
There is less player that only do there 3s place or about but still enough to create a difference between 3s and 2s.
I have noticed this. I'm low diamond in 2s and high plat in 3s. I've never hit diamond in threes and sometimes fluctuate between plat 3-diamond 1 in 2s. Meanwhile, when tournaments happen I get thrown in diamond tournaments, even in 3s. I tried a snow day tournament, I got ranked silver in snow day, it threw me in a diamond snow day tournament lol. This tourney system does not work for me
yeah noticed this, stuck around plat 2 in 3v3s but i am nearly in diamond 2 in 2v2s its wierd
Now I don’t feel as bad for being diamond in 1s when peaking gc2 in 2s
They should increase it by 500 for all fun modes so more people can get GC without the slog of bs in the swet modes.
then everyone will have GC rewards and it won't be exclusive anymore
To be honest, the number of incompetent gcs in 2v2 is appalling and their egos are even more so. A lot of times when my teammates end up challenging me to 1v1 because “l sucked” or “l was ball chasing “ it comes to light that l don’t suck very quickly as l am also gc in 1s. It’s extremely frustrating when you try your hardest to support your teammates and have them completely ignore proper positioning for a pass. In addition to that the constant passive aggressiveness.
If you are gc in 2s and champ 1 or less in 1s there’s a high chance you suck as a teammate as 1s is the basis for 2s and other modes.
Not everyone enjoys playing as much 1s, everyone that doesn’t would definitely improve faster if they did but you can be a good teammate and not even play 1s at all what are you talking about?
There is so much Smurfs in 2s I be playing with a terrible teamate when an x ssl is scoring on me
Would adding an overall rank help? Like an average rank that shows up alongside the other ranks but then the season rewards are dependant on the overall rank. idk just a thought
One thing that shocks me is i'm d2 on the edge of d3 in 2's, where most people can't airdrible n stuff, in ones tho, i'm d1 and i fall against people that are SO MECHNICALLY SKILLED, it's just insane
My favorite game mode is 1s I kind of wish it had tournaments and had unique titles for each gamemode so we know where people got their tournament win from.
It's very annoying for me because im diamond 3 div 2 and it says im only 1008 mmr. Its very weird because 1008 is supposed to be diamond 3 div 1 not 2, and it also means that ill have to get roughly 6 wins to secure champ and get the 1100 mmr for it
Why does having a different rank in different modes matter? I wasn't aware of this "problem" until now, and tbh, I don't care because the important thing is that I'm matched against players around my own level.
percentage based mmr divisions will solve a lot of the problem in my head. solves inflation and this inconsistency between modes.
this would create other problems but it would make it clear where you stand.
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What is close to making me quit is losing rank for trolls smurfs and carried players.
was c2 the last 2 seasons. Started this season at d3. was c3 in tourney last season. started c1. Impossible to climb back solo q for a casual player
I came back after 2 years to climb and reached c3 solo-q for the first time, and now Psyonix stopped me in my tracks of any gc dreams in 2s, at least I peaked while I could eh?
Very interesting video! I'd expect this kind of quality to come from a channel with a few hundred thousands of subs!
I used to be gc2 in 1s peaked at gc3 div 3. But now im hard stuck c2. And im gc 1500 in 2s. 1s ranks have been so messed up for ages its horrible looking at c2 rank when u ckearly are not a c2 overall in comp
Honestly as a veteran player from 2015, the rank system has always been a joke. Remember the whole season 3 controversy? Even back there were so many GCs that got boosted due to inflation that my rising star ass could beat them from time to time. I'm talking 100% boosted accounts. That rank and season has always been a joke to me esp compared to the season 2 title, but those are all 99% bought by now or so old that the person is hella rust. I have 4 yellow, 10, 11, 13, and 14 with 10 being rumble. I only display the rumble one cuz it's funny watching people mald over what rank I display, but I just got a S10 red one last season. I play with a low champ friend but on my own my rank rapidly climbs out of champ and into the low GCs.
I think I could sit comfortably mid GC2 if I keep up training, but I've stopped caring about my rank. I have 5 titles now, I don't ever wear newer ones, I've proved that I can play at Grand Champion levels both past and present, and that my seasons were technically harder than these seasons. Some seasons will be easier than others as everyone improves and Psynoix shakes the snowglobe, but if you've reached a specific rank in the past and cant get it again, don't worry. Like me, you've proven you can play to that level, it may not be reflective of modern levels but it is worth _something_ like.
Anyway, I'm still climbing out of champ after the 2s adjustment, low C3 rn and it's horrible. There is no consistency anymore. Just gotta keep grinding games
I got into this game super late, started last year, and only played with my friends. My friends were all platinum and diamond rank, and I was silver. So you can imagine how those games went lol, but I did get better at the game because I was playing better opponents. However, once I reached gold rank (in 3v3) we lost every game until I was back at silver. Then I queued up by myself in 3s, only to play with the absolute worst trash I’ve ever seen. It took me a month to get back to gold, but again I’ve been cursed with horrible teammates and keep losing almost every game. This system is hot garbage. Just for testing purposes I played solo duels and ranked diamond 1, so you tell me. Am I really playing at a silver/gold level, or am I playing at a diamond level? It’s just the luck of the draw, no individual MMR, only based off whether you win or lose.
6 months late, but if you don't know how to rotate or read your teammates then you wont make it in the other gamemodes. You playing with better teammates id assume has done at least one of two things for you. One is that you are spoiled, so you learned to play with people who cut out the slack you left behind. Essentially you don't notice certain mistakes you make, since you never had to worry about them when playing with better players. Two, you know only how to rotate a certain way or you try to rotate with teammates who don't know how to. They can't read your mind, so they might have a different plan than you have. You also have to take into account their skill level, in other words, don't expect a gold player to be able to cleanly hit a high aerial pass from you. If you have a GC as a teammate then you can basically throw whatever pass you have in mind, and if you succeed even decently they will probably be able to make a play out of it. The same can't be said for a gold player, if your pass isn't ON POINT then you are relying on a gold players skill to hit the ball into a favorable spot.
If you are diamond in 1s then you should be able to 2v1 gold players. Sometimes when I totally ignore my teammate (in lower ranks) and think of the game as a 2v1, I do a lot better. Obviously I don't steal the ball from my teammate if he is going for a play, I wait and see what he does with it, and if he fails miserably, then I will take the ball again and try to go for solo plays again. If he makes a good play on the other hand, well good for us, since I will be able to play off his play and the chance of scoring will be even higher.
Every match I que I’ll be up against high level diamonds while my team mates somehow same rank can barely stack up to most gold and platinums I regularly play with
I like percentage based ranks, top .1% ssl, 1% gc, 5% champ, 15% diamond, 30% plat etc. It might be more difficult to climb ranks as mmr inflates, but season resets should keep happening
Percentage based ranks are bad it only benefits better players leaving lower ranked players with very wide varietys of skill sets in the same pool that's why at Lower ranks the matches are less fair and balanced because majority of players are in mid to lower ranks meaning a bunch of people with different skill levels playing against each other causing unbalanced matches
its unique in its own way making it super hard to rankup but different than other games
i think that a way to somewhat fix the issue is to make 1v1 players get more mmr but they shouldnt lose much more then they lose now for 2v2 lowering the mmr gain and for 3v3 keeping it as it is
Nice vid, but you forget to mention that psyonix already try to fix it because to reach SSL in 1v1 there is ≈200mr (If I’m remember well) less to have than SSL in 2v2
The simple solution is let them drift. It will just mean you have more high lvl players. after awhile add ranks to the top for the best of the best players.
I guess I’m the weird one but I knew about the rank drift and liked it. We all knew and understood a champ in 1v1 is not the same as a champ in 2s. Once you know that there’s nothing else to worry about.
Because of the reset and the servers this season. I was c3 ready to touch gc for the first time and now I’m fighting for my life against gc’s in champ1. And honestly I have teammates ranked at Diamond that I’m pretty sure are gc as well
Same exact issue... I was about to hit GC for the first time, I got dropped down to D3...and now I'm struggling against GCs that are sitting in Champ.. it's actually unbearable.
yea its annoying. I lukily just hit GC last season but it feels like me and my mate are playing bad because we keep falling in and out C2-C3 instead of getting back to GC. And ofc for previous C3 players its impossible to get to GC since the whole of C3 is full of GC gatekeepers in essence
@@driesjansen3273 yep. same in diamond 3. i was 1k mmr before the reset. won 9 of 10 placements and got put in d1 div1. then got reset back to 1k over night and dropped to 930. thank fully this season got me out of smurf elo, so now im at 1030 on good days and 1k bad days.
@@driesjansen3273 well, that's not always the case. In my personal experience, i was frustrated at first that i have to battle gcs every game and my mindset that "well, they are better" dropped me to c1 div3 compared to stable c3 over last couple of seasons. But then i just got used to all this and started to play like i usually do and not underperforming which literally brought me back to my c3 next day. I'm pretty sure that i'll get gc soon
I was GC1 most of last season but now struggling in low champ 3
one of the real problems with rocket league is how skilled different ranks are. on the lower end. bronze can fight a silver fairly well due to the skill gap being smallish. however at the other end of the scale a champ fighting a grand champ is almost always a huge blow out. what im saying is there is a smaller skill gap between bronze silver gold than there is between diamond champ grand champ. and one of the goals of a ranking system is to represent the different skill levels. pretty difficult in a game where the skill ceiling is borderline non existent.
Rank is still absolutely garbage, I have the feeling I do everything (saves, shoots, goals, assists, etc) in the same game and still I lose because my teammates cant even touch the ball. In fact I remember the latest one I won I even had an AFK. After that I just kept losing games (10 in a row) and went down like from Platinum to Gold 2.
Im so frustrated and I remembered why i left the game.
Surprisingly when I still played consistently I was champ 2 in 3s and 2s and low champ 1 to high diamond 3 in 1s. My friends were always jealous cus they were only c2 in 1 mode and then d3-c1 in another and then low diamond in 1s so I knew it wasn’t the norm but I didn’t know it was as rare as it is.
I mean I really don't have a problem with this, given how the ratings works.The far less popular and far more mechanical mode, 1v1, is gonna be a lot harder to rank up in, but that makes sense
I just encounter sweats in almost every single match. They always seem to reach the ball faster than me and when a 50/50 does happen, they always win it regardless of the position of my car and the ball. When they mess up and I capitalize on it, they somehow manage to catch up to me despite going top speed. Another minor thing is the teammates I queue with. Sometimes I get normal players with decent game sense bit more often than not, I get ones that play like absolute bots.
Don't get me started on the ball physics. This game just took a weird turn after it became free to play.
I dont really see why 'rank drift' is a problem though. When asking for someones rank or comparing, you usually specifiy what mode its in, as like you said theyre all different. They all require a different approach so I wouldnt expect them to all be the same anyway
I assume that the ranking discrepancies between gametypes is entirely based off player count. Like, I don't play 1v1 hardly at all, so I'm not included in the 1v1 percentage.
Regarding the current ranking, it's a mess. Diamond is a mix of diamond, plat and champ now. It's ridiculous. It's near impossible to move up or down anymore. I got Champ 1 rewards last season. Now it's pretty much hard stuck in D2.
I dont think 1s should go up even that much ,1s is so demanding in every aspect. Which makes achieving a higher rank in 1s more regarding
I was 1400mmr then 1220mmr this season. Struggling to keep 1250-1300mmr currently
Every season I get champ 3 by the end of it, I have to do my placements in Champ 1 and work my way back up for the whole season... I stopped playing and recently returned near the end of last season, once again placed in Champ 1 and the season ended, next season win all my games and get placed in Diamond 3...
My 1's rank didn't just maintain, but it actually raised with the reset 🤣🤣
All I’ve noticed this past week is people in the ranks that really should not be where they are as a result of these changes, and I mean as in they are not good enough to be at that rank, I’ve had chronic whiffers, chasers, and even played around them and picked up 100% of the slack I could, and then once my team loses, it’s my fault because I gain a title every season solo in 3s because it’s my favorite. I’d say RL has one of the most toxic communities in gaming, and that’s just because lack of accountability in the community, and gaming in general, so if you’re out there, and you’re passing to the enemy team, bumping your teammates because you rotated back on the wrong side, and stealing hits and double or triple committing regularly…..do everyone a favor and play casual 🎉
I dont think its a particularly difficult issue to resolve. There should be an "Overall rank" which is just the sum of your 3 competitive MMR's divided by 3. This is used to place you into matches but you still have a separate rank for each different game mode. The only issue i can see with this system is people who refuse to play all 3 modes, but even then, you can just change it to be the sum of all of the MMRs you currently are ranked for. For example, if you only play solos and duos, your overall MMR is your solo rank vs your duos rank divided by 2. This also fixes the issue were you are a diamond in ones but end up facing against a grand champ in duos.
while this is a good idea.. idk man i get mechy tm8 that are obviously more familiar with ones. i’m high gc2 for2s and then i get the tm8 y who just know how to shoot , pass, play well. and if these people decide to have a go at it and play ones. or maybe decide to grind it finally it’s going to throw off their whole ranking system if there’s an overall rank. if u get what i’m saying. basically ur a great tm8 and deserve the rank but u decide to play one’s for a season let’s say ur gc1 in 2&3s but ones ur d2? that would make where u get placed for ranked horrible but this is only if they decide to play ones. other then that it’s a great idea
I placed 2s and 3s the last few days. I experienced the opposite oddly enough. My 3s matches didnt go well and dropped from champ 1 to d1. My 2s matches were about right and dropped from champ 1 to d3 div3.
I was 1750 and they reset me to 1300. Crazy. That’s like 4 6 hour sessions to get back
2s is a weird gamemode. i am a c3 myself and sometimes i play with people who are so good that i personally think they belong in at least gc or even gc2 (they dont feel like a smurf, because of all of the items or tags). but you also have the people that cant even hit the ball. and in 3s its much more the same skilled people you face and play with. with the rare occasion of players that never play 3s and are ssl in 2s.
yea, that's what my friend and i call "smurf elo" you get right to the next rank mmr and then get hammered by smurf after smurf. so you stay in that rank. i've been in diamond from s2 til now. and every rank had the smurf elo. this season reset feels like it took me out of it so HOPEFULLY i dont get some when i get to 1060 mmr
All the items and tags? I had a smurf talking to another smurf in a game about getting together to derank and that smurf had over 2000 games
More rocket league players need to watch the first half of this video.. I had a 1s opponent calling me a smurf for being C1 in 2s yet I'm hardstuck D1 in 1s 🤦🏼♂️
im the exact same bro
haha i was C2 last season and now have S8-10 GCs in EVERY fkin C1 game in 2s and 3s. its stressful^^
That’s weird because I was gc1 last season and I’m back to gc1 although I’m only at 1442 compared to 1518 last season. I don’t understand how a actual gc would be down in c1? I was c2 after placement and then got the 150 mmr and was 1389 so I just had to grind a few games to get gc. How are these gc’s in c1 after getting 150 mmr?
@@Unknown-oz7dr no joke I'm c2 atm but I've seen SO many old GCs in c1
Definitely grew apart from this game the past few weeks. Play maybe once every week or two as opposed to daily