To make our statement clearer, I posted a new topic into the forza motorsport car issues forum talking about the issue & the current state of so many copy pasted sounds. Here’s the link: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
Even tho FH5 didn't perfectly capture Huayra R sound, at least it's pretty close to real life counterpart, even tho that sound should've been perfect for the Zonda R rather than Huayra R
@@fastlanegaming and to think that this sound is actually made by PG itself AFTER sound copyright issues is a bit strange, maybe should've been copied to 599XX EVO and the LaFerrari/FXXK series Hopefully PG take notes for FH6 tho
All I know is that T10 might having problems inside. Lot of changes on people. With this game they killed the reputation of this game. If they launch another Forza in next year's we all go a remember this flop and not believe them.
I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
You know, I was thinking about getting the new console to get the new motorsport. After seeing everything unfold, I'm so glad I didn't. This is honestly disgusting how fans have been disrespected. Also remember, its managements fault, not the devs themselves.
The new console is fun anyways, it will improve your gaming experience by far, but forza can‘t keep up with their own hype they build around FM8 with all those streams talking about you know *build from the ground up* - and I honestly think it was the most bugged release of an Motorsport title ever. And yes you are right, who knows how much the devs have to say behind the curtains…
Im glad people are adding that it isn’t just the devs. These days more than ever, its not the devs’ fault more than often. People forget they have a job to do and can’t always do what they should/want to with these games
Naaaa it's the devs TOO They made it, so the pub can release it Can't have one without the other so they deserve to be clowned too When did personal accountability die? They don't have to make this trash and a swindle is out of OUR HARD EARNED MONEY We pay for this trash so they can get paid, so they can get the heat too, are you crazy?!?!
The game plays very well but stuff like this is super disappointing 🥲. Like why? I wish ubisoft wanted to take the reigns of a sim approach and put t10 to shame. Even if the physics aren't top of the line, the real tracks, god tier car sounds, and some fun original tracks, oh and detailed tuning, would make it a force to be reckoned with in the "genre"
Its the Lamborghini Murcielago. I remember it because it was the closest I could get to an LFA engine. It was a BEAST to drive with, but they had to ruin it like they do every car in these damn games now.
@@bottomtext593 I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
@@bottomtext593even all LMP1 and Group C cars including Ai Miyashita's BMW V12 LMR and Ayumu Uehara's Sauber C9 in Forza Motorsport 2023 are sounded very strange.
@@purwantiallan5089 actually no. FM has always had the same progression idea, you start in one group do some races earn some cash move to another and this has been the case through all of them. the devs wanted to try something new to not make another revamped pretty looking FM3 and this is what we got. the problem isn’t the devs it’s the player base being comfy with easy progression instant unlocks and being able to drive an X class car within 10 minutes of playing. FM2023 is arguably the best forza motorsport to come out since it introduced basic motorsport stuff like proper tyre wear, proper safety regulations and penalties etc. also the people who are getting mad also forget the game is on gamepass which most people have thus meaning you can play it entirely for free… cant get too mad over a free game lol.
sadly yes Santiago....I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
Ayo, I‘m might need to send some hints towards Ferrari, stating that a lot of lambos in Forza sound better than the Ferraris, due to the lack of development 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@brendonvinicius5745 I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
Motorfest specially nailed the Electric Cars, i dont care if they dont sound realistic, i would always choose something unrealistic and cool over something realistic and boring, what i hated about electric car sounds in video games is that they just add a little wine to the sound and then all u listen is the air and passing by cars, im glad Motorfest didnt do that
@@FranquitoMV2004Motorfest deserves racing game of the year, not Forza motorsport lol. It’s corruption like hell no one in right mind put new FM into racing game of the year
Only that now that we have FH5, FH4's flaws seem only to be the sound design choices and some minor things...I don't have ANY traffic in FH5, the game feels like a *I am Legend* spinn-off
The way some of them don't EVEN change the tone from 1 car to another, I bet that if I closed my eyes at certain points, I would think it is the same VEHICLE.
That is exactly what I do when editing to really test myself....I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
You know it's not just the sound but the powerbands too. Every V12 in the game has the same shift point... changes to differential or transmission do not affect the sound. In reality even if two cars shared the same engine(MC12, Enzo) they would still sound different from the exhaust lengths, exhaust pipes, power level, transmission and differential gearing, dog gears or not, ect... EVERYTHING sounds the bloody same or has a filter on top...
TBH, 2023 FM has one of the most realistic Car Revs in terms of RPM, but i don’t understand why do most of the cars in FH5 or FH4 have to be a bit lower pitched. The Murcielago doesn’t even sound like that at 9K RPM. This is really confusing
I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
It's like marvel man, from art to printing money...I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
I remember my journey with this channel. I first started playing racing games seriously with FH3. I fell in love with Horizon. But FH4 is where I really dove in and started playing online with other people. And I remember a video from this channel complaining about the car sounds, and since I didn't know anything about cars and didn't really care about car sounds I argued that most of the cars sounded fine. Because they did to me back then - I didn't really care. But since then I've become obsessed with racing games, with cars, with sim racing, and in particular sim drifting. And I ended up getting and playing most racing games out there, because I love racing games and I love cars, and slowly I realised how much I love the way cars sound. The different way they sound depending on how you drive them, the noises of forced induction, the difference between engine note and exhaust note, between cockpit and chase. The Zonda, the Carrera GT, the LFA, the craziness of rally cars, V10 F1 engines, gear whines, superchargers, turbo flutters...all of that character is part of the car as much as the laser scan that the devs return with. So just getting a 3D model of the car isn't enough if the sounds aren't there, because you've only come back with half the car. Half the car is missing. With those Lambo V12s in this video? They look like modern Lambo V12s, but half the car is missing. Same with the Ferrari V12s. Half the car is missing. And I wanted to say thankyou FLG for documenting this - I didn't used to care, but gradually I realised this is such a crucial part of racing games, and seeing how piss-poor FM8 is in this repsect, how unbelievably shoddy the V12 sounds are, even after six years, well maybe this video might shame the people at Turn 10 into getting their act together. We had to do it to Playground, and to be fair they ended up putting some effort in. Maybe T10 will respond similarly. Or maybe it's too late and this is the last Motorsport we'll ever see. Either way, you made the effort to show them what they were doing wrong, so cheers.
ctrl a + ctrl c + ctrl v, that is why 😂😂😂😂😂 I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
@@fifteen8850 yeah, same of "F" engine but different type and different pitch each per ferrari, but in FM all ferrari had recycle sound and its same pitch
Its really crazy to say that gt7 has better sounds than fm but it really does, remember the days back with gt5 and fm4, fm was league a head here in car sounds, the tables has really turned, fm has getting worse sounds for every game since fm6, gt has massivly been improved after gt6, many would proably never expect the the day where gt would have better sounds than fm if we just look back 10 years ago
@@ibrahimalameddine100 maybe but its difficult to say the sound designer from forza has not be involved the last 2 years, and the cars we have got still sounds great, demon 992 gt3 rs lfa, that was added last year sounds fantastic, i think its also possible that kaz is more involved now than before and he is a car collector and been racedriver in reallife
Oh yeah damn forgot to put the FH5 clip into it...I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
the engine structure and the engine note are the distinct feature when lambo first debuting aventador (which shared by a lot of modern lambo v12 variants). Murcielago used the classic lambo that they used for more than 40 years. using the new lambo sound for murcielago is more offensive than sharing ferrari sounds since 812 and laferrari's engine does sound similar even in Motorfest 3
What you mean with "never knew"? They where great in fm4, fh1, 2, fm6, and even fh3. Only after fh3 they started sucking ever since the sound designer switched to GT
It was simple. I just checked the shape of the car in the thumbnail. These sharp edges on the sides are from the active aero from (the car in question)
If they want the next Forza Horizon to actually stand a chance against other racing games, they need to step up their sounds. Like yeah, car sounds are massively improved in Horizon 5 but sometimes they feel bland and boring. There's no crackles, pops and bangs when you upgrade your exhaust. Stock cars backfire for some reason. And the list goes on. Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 has the best engine sounds and that game is from freaking 2012. The cars sound raspy and depending on the car you can hear crackles, pops and bangs and that's just amazing. Like bro, how tf is a 12 year old game beating the shit out of modern racing games that have more technology? It just doesn't make sense. If Forza Horizon combined some sound design elements from The Crew Motorfest, NFS Most Wanted 2012, GT7 and of course, some things from their own game, we would have the best sounding cars ever, but I guess they're too lazy so they will just reuse the generic cars sounds that everyone loves.
I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
I say they shut the game down for a month to fix absolutely everything, something anything because it’s seeming straight up intentional and they don’t care at all
It sounds like a pagani, (I have over 800 h on forza horizon 5) *edit: MURCIELAGO?! I guess it does sound like the murcielago now that I think about it...
I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
What I experience using some V12 in forza games (especially the newer ones) is that some of them are hissing instead of howling, the howl is not like the typical v12 howl, but more like my granpa's dog howl. Idk if it just me, but why hissing? Sounds like it got exhaust leak on the headers
@@fastlanegaming I noticed it too, sounds like being held on by a valve, a bad resonator made to pass a certain regulation, a catalytic converter, or a Db Killer. It's good overall but, it's like hearing my old R6 with a db killer, beautifully awful
Thanks for this video. I generally think turn 10 does a decent job at audio but this format of viseo really exposes it. They need to get their priorities in check. Car sounds should be top 3 for sure
Tbf, the copy and paste sounds is in all modern Forza titles simply because they put full priority on car list size hence why cars sound bad, they dont get remodeled, they have terrible customization etc etc. It's always quantity over quality which this video points out perfectly
Since I was a kid in FM4 days, the Murcielago was my favourite sounding car in Forza. The soundfile staying relatively the same up till FM6 was primarily showcasing the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” because it was great. Now it’s just an insult to the glorious Bizzarini V12💀
3:35 what the fuck is this. I think it's probably the worst sound they could give to that car, it sounds *SO* off and also pretty bad, how can they even mess it up so much?
I am genuinely shocked at how lazy the developers have become with the car sounds, the bit at the end showing how much copy and paste there is made me go wow they really didn't put any effort it this at all and really starts to make me wonder what went wrong behind the scenes, However as you say on the flip side there are some pretty nice sounding v12 engine's in the game, also the murci did not deserve to be done that dirty also as you pointed out why don't turn 10 who work on horizon 5 and turn 10 who work on motorsport just share car sounds like they did back in the day, on a more positive note though, the lotus esprit v8 in horizon 5 sounded pretty good imo when i drove it in the rivals showcase compared to how it sound's in motorsport, here's hoping we get a massive car sound update fast because motorsport needs it, like what motorsport 7 had but on a *Much.* bigger scale.
Yeah I also thought some will get it from the FH4 gameplay as it really stood out from all other V12 sounds...I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
If you think about how Microsoft changed every 18 months the developers then yeah..instead of re doing new sounds they just change them and re use them lol
At least we could use Revolusound as an unofficial fix for a lot cars but since the last update PG Games have locked the ability to override their files so we are stuck with the (poor?) choices they've made. I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happened to FM 2023.
Also a revolusound enjoyer here and yea ngl i just cant play the game anymore with those shit original sounds (talking about FH5, FM is just straight up a joke)
Here is what T10 sound team does : take 3-4 masters, re-EQ them ; BAM you get the sound for 80 cars. Easy job, see you next day. I left FM franchise since FM4 and I'm very happy I did. Crap audio, lazy work. They don't deserve my money.
TCM got robbed last year...I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
There are some cars where it would make sense to have the same sound because they have the same engine or they’re mostly the same car such as the Ferrari Enzo and Maserati MC12. However, the Pagani Huayra BC does NOT have the same engine as the Huayra R, nor are they even made by the same company. The BC has an AMG engine; the R has a bespoke in-house made engine.
Clearly passed by some Purple Haired "Diversity hire" who is *Not* a Car Enthusiast in any way, shape or form and would not know a Bizzarrini LE65 from an F130B even if you clonked her on the Shins with the Crank Journals! :( those are PS2 level Bad :(
@@simeonyves5940 oh yes you did 😂 I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
I feel like because I spent such a huge part of growing up playing gran turismo 1-4, that sounds never really seem to bother me, as long as the game itself isn't crap.
There will be a GT7 Sound Video in the next weeks, they put so much love into the series and improved a lot (not only sound design, but also insane details)
Regulations for exhaust systems change & I watched some clips of the different models with stock exhaust (from the same channel to avoid microphone differences) and they do NOT always sound the same even tho the engine block is the same…headers, manifolds & more change the tone too, same for the exhaust diameters and headers diameters…
Its really sad to see Forza franchise unfold this way.. On the other hand, im glad people who worked at TDU and TDU2 made The Crew possible. Motorfest is such an underated gem. They get one sound or another at wrong, but most of it its too damn precise! Not only that, but they add details to their sounds that make even richer!
Racing games have to go back to quality over quantity. I'm sick of them making their car lists a selling point rather than a good game. It's become "We have more cars than the others!" Instead of "We have *better* cars than the others!" It's so stupid now.
In my opinion at this point every game have cars that are a hit or a miss when it comes to sound (some more than others) but when it comes to all forza studios the game is no longer being developed by authentic car enthusiasts and it shows
Nice mix. It's interesting that Horizon 5 is meant to be behind, in graphical terms, due to being able to run on the older system. On the other hand, Horizon 5 is ahead with some of the noises and especially in the paint shop, adding features that Motorsport 8 doesn't even have, i.e. matt decals.
The people they hire for a 6-month contract doesn't know the previous guy's file naming system and nobody knows who to talk to about getting the correct sound files.
To make our statement clearer, I posted a new topic into the forza motorsport car issues forum talking about the issue & the current state of so many copy pasted sounds. Here’s the link: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
They closed the topic. Fucking wow.
@@still_gunslazy ass devs for you
@@still_gunswhy they closed the topic btw?
@@purwantiallan5089 Because it didn't follow the posting guidelines. Just read what the moderator said.
@@still_guns f k them. That should be in only one single post.
Murcielago: Possibly one of the best ever sounding cars
Forza: "And I took that personally"
forza 7 murci sounds great
Honda RA300 in Forza Motorsport 8 and Kasumi Nakasu's XJR-9 in FM8 are sounded way off compared to even GT6.
I downloaded a mod for car sounds on horizon 4 and it sounds so much better, makes me laugh how a mod does a better job than the developers
Thankfully I drive the Murciélago in Forza Horizon 5. That thing sounds beastly there.
The back to back to back to back to back.... Ferraris was mind-blowing.
I was flabbergasted when I was editing and looking for similar sounds...I thought *okey this is getting out of hand*
It makes sense tho. It has basically the same v12
@@fifteen8850the same V12 like old NFS HOT PURSUIT 2?
@@fifteen8850not exactly
@@Kkkk-ll3ed maybe not, but the road cars should all sound pretty much the same
7:47 No other racing game has fudged up a howling Pagani sound as badly as THIS. Like, it sounds like a turbo V6
Best sounding road derived car ever, made like a vacuum cleaner
Even tho FH5 didn't perfectly capture Huayra R sound, at least it's pretty close to real life counterpart, even tho that sound should've been perfect for the Zonda R rather than Huayra R
@@stoje8405 remember the 599XX in FH5? That sound could also fit to a lot V12 Racecars, they're just not getting it
@@fastlanegaming and to think that this sound is actually made by PG itself AFTER sound copyright issues is a bit strange, maybe should've been copied to 599XX EVO and the LaFerrari/FXXK series
Hopefully PG take notes for FH6 tho
But the modern AMG V12 actually kinda does sound like that. It's very bassy it doesn't howl like a typical V12
I feel like Turn10 was extremely lazy with this game
The problem that I have was the long wait between 7 & 8, and all the *build from the ground up* nonsense
All I know is that T10 might having problems inside. Lot of changes on people. With this game they killed the reputation of this game. If they launch another Forza in next year's we all go a remember this flop and not believe them.
@@Victor4293not good enough excuse
@@nathanthomson777 it's not an excuse boy. Every studio has its own problems.
Mediocrity is a constant in all Xbox games
"Built from the ground up".
They forgot to mention that this ground is at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
And by 'built' what they mean is shovel a pile of cowshit into that trench
Its sad how forza is showing a lack of care for their newer games. They lost their minds honestly
I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
You know, I was thinking about getting the new console to get the new motorsport. After seeing everything unfold, I'm so glad I didn't. This is honestly disgusting how fans have been disrespected. Also remember, its managements fault, not the devs themselves.
The new console is fun anyways, it will improve your gaming experience by far, but forza can‘t keep up with their own hype they build around FM8 with all those streams talking about you know *build from the ground up* - and I honestly think it was the most bugged release of an Motorsport title ever. And yes you are right, who knows how much the devs have to say behind the curtains…
I wish Turn 10 delayed FM8 to January 2025.
Im glad people are adding that it isn’t just the devs. These days more than ever, its not the devs’ fault more than often. People forget they have a job to do and can’t always do what they should/want to with these games
Naaaa it's the devs TOO
They made it, so the pub can release it
Can't have one without the other so they deserve to be clowned too
When did personal accountability die?
They don't have to make this trash and a swindle is out of OUR HARD EARNED MONEY
We pay for this trash so they can get paid, so they can get the heat too, are you crazy?!?!
The game plays very well but stuff like this is super disappointing 🥲. Like why? I wish ubisoft wanted to take the reigns of a sim approach and put t10 to shame. Even if the physics aren't top of the line, the real tracks, god tier car sounds, and some fun original tracks, oh and detailed tuning, would make it a force to be reckoned with in the "genre"
The Huayra R sound in Motorsport had me dying laughing
Its the Lamborghini Murcielago. I remember it because it was the closest I could get to an LFA engine. It was a BEAST to drive with, but they had to ruin it like they do every car in these damn games now.
@@KingCeee They ruin the Murcielago sound, they ruin everything.
@@bottomtext593 I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
@@bottomtext593even all LMP1 and Group C cars including Ai Miyashita's BMW V12 LMR and Ayumu Uehara's Sauber C9 in Forza Motorsport 2023 are sounded very strange.
@@KingCeeenothing? FM2023 ruined everything including game progression yet Luke Reilly, the IGN reviewer, is too kind towards this game.
@@purwantiallan5089 actually no. FM has always had the same progression idea, you start in one group do some races earn some cash move to another and this has been the case through all of them. the devs wanted to try something new to not make another revamped pretty looking FM3 and this is what we got. the problem isn’t the devs it’s the player base being comfy with easy progression instant unlocks and being able to drive an X class car within 10 minutes of playing. FM2023 is arguably the best forza motorsport to come out since it introduced basic motorsport stuff like proper tyre wear, proper safety regulations and penalties etc.
also the people who are getting mad also forget the game is on gamepass which most people have thus meaning you can play it entirely for free… cant get too mad over a free game lol.
0:45 No way that's a Murciélago 💀
sadly yes Santiago....I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
@@fastlanegaming guess what man, they fucking closed it, so glad I stopped buying their games after Horizon 3.
Well that's just the spirit of motorsport, Isn't it?
All I will answer is: *2202 DAYS BETWEEN THE RELASE...2202*
I'm surprised that T10 hasn't recieved a cease and desist from Ferrari yet because of the shitty engine sounds...
Ayo, I‘m might need to send some hints towards Ferrari, stating that a lot of lambos in Forza sound better than the Ferraris, due to the lack of development 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is such a fh4 moment
That racing v12...
@@brendonvinicius5745 I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
@@brendonvinicius5745FM8 also dont have VW ID.R from FH4 either.
Thanks for all your work and exposing those who are responsible for this mess.
My pleasure man, I hope they learn but they updated the Sauber C9 and it still doesn’t sound like a V8 💀
The Huayra R 😭😭😭 What a colossal fumble. That should be screaming so loud that wearing headphones would be dangerous
Love to see the FH3 Vulcan appreciation. That was one of my favourites to cruise around in.
I swear, it feels like they used the same FH3 V12 sound for all of their games
3:17 fh3 vulcan was godly
I felt like Pedro Pascal after that reveal, the timing was outstanding 😂😂 -> 😅😅 -> 😢😢
And I have to admit: TCM & GT7 nailed the sound though ✅
Motorfest specially nailed the Electric Cars, i dont care if they dont sound realistic, i would always choose something unrealistic and cool over something realistic and boring, what i hated about electric car sounds in video games is that they just add a little wine to the sound and then all u listen is the air and passing by cars, im glad Motorfest didnt do that
@@FranquitoMV2004Motorfest deserves racing game of the year, not Forza motorsport lol. It’s corruption like hell no one in right mind put new FM into racing game of the year
@@danifit24 agree 100%
@@danifit24 They got robbed like Kendrick, Kanye, Jay-Z & Drake back in 2014 at the Grammys by Macklemore...
@@FranquitoMV2004Pagani Huayra BC 2016 and Huayra R 2022 in FM8 sounded quite the same.
It’s like forza horizon 4 all over again
Only that now that we have FH5, FH4's flaws seem only to be the sound design choices and some minor things...I don't have ANY traffic in FH5, the game feels like a *I am Legend* spinn-off
Yep. I still don't forgive PG for fucking up the R34 Skyline and making it sound the same as the 97 M3, which also sounds godawful.
Which means they still haven’t learned, likely because the ignorant fan base is still buying these games.
The way some of them don't EVEN change the tone from 1 car to another, I bet that if I closed my eyes at certain points, I would think it is the same VEHICLE.
That is exactly what I do when editing to really test myself....I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
You know it's not just the sound but the powerbands too. Every V12 in the game has the same shift point... changes to differential or transmission do not affect the sound. In reality even if two cars shared the same engine(MC12, Enzo) they would still sound different from the exhaust lengths, exhaust pipes, power level, transmission and differential gearing, dog gears or not, ect...
EVERYTHING sounds the bloody same or has a filter on top...
At least they fixed the 812 sound. I remember it sounded like a 488 at some point.
Oh yeah right, another one bites the dust on the sound design list 😂
just let them go .. both forza's are beyond saving
TBH, 2023 FM has one of the most realistic Car Revs in terms of RPM, but i don’t understand why do most of the cars in FH5 or FH4 have to be a bit lower pitched. The Murcielago doesn’t even sound like that at 9K RPM. This is really confusing
I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
Its because Forza Motorsport is build from the ground UP!
LMAOOOOO
They're not creating for art. They're creating for money.
It's like marvel man, from art to printing money...I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
Truly a build from the ground up moment, such realistic games even the original gran turismo from the ps1 era can't compared
One thing: the V12 used for the SV isn't actually generic, but it's the same file of the Aventador, which is correct
7:47 What have they done to the Huayra R 😭😭😭 It sounds like they put the microphone in an air intake💀💀💀
I remember my journey with this channel. I first started playing racing games seriously with FH3. I fell in love with Horizon. But FH4 is where I really dove in and started playing online with other people. And I remember a video from this channel complaining about the car sounds, and since I didn't know anything about cars and didn't really care about car sounds I argued that most of the cars sounded fine. Because they did to me back then - I didn't really care.
But since then I've become obsessed with racing games, with cars, with sim racing, and in particular sim drifting. And I ended up getting and playing most racing games out there, because I love racing games and I love cars, and slowly I realised how much I love the way cars sound. The different way they sound depending on how you drive them, the noises of forced induction, the difference between engine note and exhaust note, between cockpit and chase. The Zonda, the Carrera GT, the LFA, the craziness of rally cars, V10 F1 engines, gear whines, superchargers, turbo flutters...all of that character is part of the car as much as the laser scan that the devs return with. So just getting a 3D model of the car isn't enough if the sounds aren't there, because you've only come back with half the car. Half the car is missing. With those Lambo V12s in this video? They look like modern Lambo V12s, but half the car is missing. Same with the Ferrari V12s. Half the car is missing.
And I wanted to say thankyou FLG for documenting this - I didn't used to care, but gradually I realised this is such a crucial part of racing games, and seeing how piss-poor FM8 is in this repsect, how unbelievably shoddy the V12 sounds are, even after six years, well maybe this video might shame the people at Turn 10 into getting their act together. We had to do it to Playground, and to be fair they ended up putting some effort in. Maybe T10 will respond similarly. Or maybe it's too late and this is the last Motorsport we'll ever see. Either way, you made the effort to show them what they were doing wrong, so cheers.
The people responsible for the sound should be shameful, how can they get a salary when they clearly don't do their work properly...
Seems like the audio team finished 6 months after the hole team got the green light to develop Motorsport 2023.
Would even make sense lol
Holy shit, the traffic in FH3
4:54 - 5:13 T10 why 🥲🥲🥲
ctrl a + ctrl c + ctrl v, that is why 😂😂😂😂😂 I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
It’s basically the same engine bro
@@fifteen8850 yeah, same of "F" engine but different type and different pitch each per ferrari, but in FM all ferrari had recycle sound and its same pitch
@@danardwi6873 I’ll admit the road cars sound a bit different from the track variants, but all the road going ones are fine imo
They are all identical in a way that u can't distinguish between them 😮
the fact that THE CREW MOTORFEST out of all games beats forza is CRAZY
Its really crazy to say that gt7 has better sounds than fm but it really does, remember the days back with gt5 and fm4, fm was league a head here in car sounds, the tables has really turned, fm has getting worse sounds for every game since fm6, gt has massivly been improved after gt6, many would proably never expect the the day where gt would have better sounds than fm if we just look back 10 years ago
Totally agree with you there, isn't it true that the sound design guy for Forza got hired by GT and that's when GT started sounding better?
@@ibrahimalameddine100 maybe but its difficult to say the sound designer from forza has not be involved the last 2 years, and the cars we have got still sounds great, demon 992 gt3 rs lfa, that was added last year sounds fantastic, i think its also possible that kaz is more involved now than before and he is a car collector and been racedriver in reallife
the essenza is godlike in fh5 why does it sound more tame in fm23
Oh yeah damn forgot to put the FH5 clip into it...I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
I loved how loud the cars were in FH1. Especially the muscle cars.
Yeah we’re calling you out, audio devs.
the engine structure and the engine note are the distinct feature when lambo first debuting aventador (which shared by a lot of modern lambo v12 variants). Murcielago used the classic lambo that they used for more than 40 years. using the new lambo sound for murcielago is more offensive than sharing ferrari sounds since 812 and laferrari's engine does sound similar even in Motorfest 3
Let’s be honest forza never knew how to make accurate or good sounds
What you mean with "never knew"? They where great in fm4, fh1, 2, fm6, and even fh3.
Only after fh3 they started sucking ever since the sound designer switched to GT
They did know, but after FH4 started development it started going Downhill, FH5 showing that to everyone and FM2023 being the absolute pain
Even MW05 has a great sound for the Murci 🫠
Playground Games and Turn 10 should switch games, FH sounds miles ahead for some cars
It was simple. I just checked the shape of the car in the thumbnail. These sharp edges on the sides are from the active aero from (the car in question)
If they want the next Forza Horizon to actually stand a chance against other racing games, they need to step up their sounds. Like yeah, car sounds are massively improved in Horizon 5 but sometimes they feel bland and boring. There's no crackles, pops and bangs when you upgrade your exhaust. Stock cars backfire for some reason. And the list goes on. Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 has the best engine sounds and that game is from freaking 2012. The cars sound raspy and depending on the car you can hear crackles, pops and bangs and that's just amazing. Like bro, how tf is a 12 year old game beating the shit out of modern racing games that have more technology? It just doesn't make sense. If Forza Horizon combined some sound design elements from The Crew Motorfest, NFS Most Wanted 2012, GT7 and of course, some things from their own game, we would have the best sounding cars ever, but I guess they're too lazy so they will just reuse the generic cars sounds that everyone loves.
The audio is the best part of FH5, it's everything else (or, should I say, the lack of anything) that made me dump it
I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
I say they shut the game down for a month to fix absolutely everything, something anything because it’s seeming straight up intentional and they don’t care at all
It sounds like a pagani, (I have over 800 h on forza horizon 5)
*edit:
MURCIELAGO?! I guess it does sound like the murcielago now that I think about it...
Maybe they hear us when we post it in their Forum.
I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
@@fastlanegaming Very good! Maybe you tell them, that you make RUclips and have many followers.
What I experience using some V12 in forza games (especially the newer ones) is that some of them are hissing instead of howling, the howl is not like the typical v12 howl, but more like my granpa's dog howl. Idk if it just me, but why hissing? Sounds like it got exhaust leak on the headers
I know what you mean, I think in GT7 you can slightly noticing it, as there is a howl but it looses volume & power towards the limiter
@@fastlanegaming I noticed it too, sounds like being held on by a valve, a bad resonator made to pass a certain regulation, a catalytic converter, or a Db Killer.
It's good overall but, it's like hearing my old R6 with a db killer, beautifully awful
So glad i only played this game for the E-Ray
This is driving f*cking nuts r.n
I got you Dishan
Thanks for this video. I generally think turn 10 does a decent job at audio but this format of viseo really exposes it. They need to get their priorities in check. Car sounds should be top 3 for sure
“From the ground up”
People on Facebook can see a video like this and still say “but I like the game!l 😂
Tbf, the copy and paste sounds is in all modern Forza titles simply because they put full priority on car list size hence why cars sound bad, they dont get remodeled, they have terrible customization etc etc. It's always quantity over quality which this video points out perfectly
First one has got to be the aventador, or any other car with the L539 V12 in it. Forza has an iconic sound for that specific motor.
Since I was a kid in FM4 days, the Murcielago was my favourite sounding car in Forza. The soundfile staying relatively the same up till FM6 was primarily showcasing the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” because it was great. Now it’s just an insult to the glorious Bizzarini V12💀
2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque: Allow me to introduce myself
yep... working on it
Forza MotorSport 4
Forza Horizon 1 & 2
Best Sounding Game in the Forza Series
3:35 what the fuck is this.
I think it's probably the worst sound they could give to that car, it sounds *SO* off and also pretty bad, how can they even mess it up so much?
I took my eyes off the screen and heard the same engine sound for at least 30 seconds. "Built from the ground up" 💀
“Built from the ground up”
I am genuinely shocked at how lazy the developers have become with the car sounds, the bit at the end showing how much copy and paste there is made me go wow they really didn't put any effort it this at all and really starts to make me wonder what went wrong behind the scenes, However as you say on the flip side there are some pretty nice sounding v12 engine's in the game, also the murci did not deserve to be done that dirty also as you pointed out why don't turn 10 who work on horizon 5 and turn 10 who work on motorsport just share car sounds like they did back in the day, on a more positive note though, the lotus esprit v8 in horizon 5 sounded pretty good imo when i drove it in the rivals showcase compared to how it sound's in motorsport, here's hoping we get a massive car sound update fast because motorsport needs it, like what motorsport 7 had but on a *Much.* bigger scale.
It's the Murcielago. Got it at 0:58, because I played way too much FH4.
Yeah I also thought some will get it from the FH4 gameplay as it really stood out from all other V12 sounds...I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
Yeah maybe this is why I've become obsessed with racing turbos on everything.
The scv12 has been updated it seems, when the game launched or sounded much worse
If you think about how Microsoft changed every 18 months the developers then yeah..instead of re doing new sounds they just change them and re use them lol
I miss the days that forza was a "quality product" it sure has been awhile
At least we could use Revolusound as an unofficial fix for a lot cars but since the last update PG Games have locked the ability to override their files so we are stuck with the (poor?) choices they've made. I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happened to FM 2023.
Also a revolusound enjoyer here and yea ngl i just cant play the game anymore with those shit original sounds (talking about FH5, FM is just straight up a joke)
It has no drama all it's wow factor and it's very tame sounding
Here is what T10 sound team does : take 3-4 masters, re-EQ them ; BAM you get the sound for 80 cars. Easy job, see you next day.
I left FM franchise since FM4 and I'm very happy I did. Crap audio, lazy work. They don't deserve my money.
The BMW 850CSi actually has the god tier McLaren F1 sound from FH4, and the McLaren F1 has trash 😅😅😅
At this point, you get more sound variability in Automation...
that FH3 vulcan is fucking mint
718 gt4 rs's sound is broken btw. Sounds like a high pitched flat 4 GTS.
Game of the year moment
TCM got robbed last year...I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
4:41 Are we all going to gloss over the fact the BRM P201 sound like a fucking V8? It's completely wrong! 😂
pagani zonda r in fh3 was just an insane sound
There are some cars where it would make sense to have the same sound because they have the same engine or they’re mostly the same car such as the Ferrari Enzo and Maserati MC12. However, the Pagani Huayra BC does NOT have the same engine as the Huayra R, nor are they even made by the same company. The BC has an AMG engine; the R has a bespoke in-house made engine.
Clearly passed by some Purple Haired "Diversity hire" who is *Not* a Car Enthusiast in any way, shape or form and would not know a Bizzarrini LE65 from an F130B even if you clonked her on the Shins with the Crank Journals! :( those are PS2 level Bad :(
BRO THIS COMMENNT GOT ME ROLLING
@@fastlanegaming I am glad I raised a good Laugh :)
@@simeonyves5940 oh yes you did 😂 I posted a new topic into the FM23 car issues forum talking about the this! Here’s the link to the forum: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan
I feel like because I spent such a huge part of growing up playing gran turismo 1-4, that sounds never really seem to bother me, as long as the game itself isn't crap.
There will be a GT7 Sound Video in the next weeks, they put so much love into the series and improved a lot (not only sound design, but also insane details)
And that's why people say every car feels the same
Fm7 car sounds actually goated
Thank you for talking about the sound in fm8, it's mostly terrible and needs more develloping in it
notice how some of the quote on quote "copypasted" sounds are put into cars with the same engine?
Regulations for exhaust systems change & I watched some clips of the different models with stock exhaust (from the same channel to avoid microphone differences) and they do NOT always sound the same even tho the engine block is the same…headers, manifolds & more change the tone too, same for the exhaust diameters and headers diameters…
It's the case with alot of these, it's kind of an unfair comparison I feel. But holy shit did they do the murci dirty
Its really sad to see Forza franchise unfold this way.. On the other hand, im glad people who worked at TDU and TDU2 made The Crew possible. Motorfest is such an underated gem. They get one sound or another at wrong, but most of it its too damn precise!
Not only that, but they add details to their sounds that make even richer!
To be fair, i did instantly realise the murci is a lambo V12, but i havent even bought the game so im definitely not defending that pos
Racing games have to go back to quality over quantity. I'm sick of them making their car lists a selling point rather than a good game. It's become "We have more cars than the others!" Instead of "We have *better* cars than the others!" It's so stupid now.
In my opinion at this point every game have cars that are a hit or a miss when it comes to sound (some more than others) but when it comes to all forza studios the game is no longer being developed by authentic car enthusiasts and it shows
Apparently, every V12 Ferrari from 2013 onwards is the exact same car. SMH
Whats hysterical is they gave the SV, the SVJ and the Sian DIFFERENT sounds........when should all be indentical, same as base Aventador and Veneno xD
1:00 Lamborghini Aventador SV. Sounds like an Italian V12, but not in the Ferrari kind of way
Nice mix. It's interesting that Horizon 5 is meant to be behind, in graphical terms, due to being able to run on the older system. On the other hand, Horizon 5 is ahead with some of the noises and especially in the paint shop, adding features that Motorsport 8 doesn't even have, i.e. matt decals.
Crew motorfest really cooked forza with it's sound design🤣🤣🤣💀
That car reveal took ages
They made a v12 sound like an inline 4
they have just used a same sound file for every v12 car and they just changed the bass and pitch and some other elements
The people they hire for a 6-month contract doesn't know the previous guy's file naming system and nobody knows who to talk to about getting the correct sound files.