This is a really weird part of RUclips I've stumbled on. Someone who actually defended Epic game store? Someone who's audience thought Stadia being basically dead on arrival was a hot take? Where am I??
Defending the Epic Games Store felt like arguing for pineapple on pizza. Predicting the downfall of Stadia felt like explaining why the Earth is round to a bunch of flat earthers.
Oi. Pineapple on Pizza is genuinely good tho. But seriously, Kudos to you for coming to terms with reality. It's okay to be wrong once in a while. It's not a crime. Good video mate.
Yea bro dont use epic games it is a spyware and give data china and rob us especially they go use ur credit card information to china and they rob ur money when the war starts and they use little kids who play fortnight and some lego game rip off things and china funding from china so who ever is gonna debate me with that 1. Your some fortnight kid 2. You are poor who get free games 3. Your an eastern spy If you agree with me 1.your real alpha man 2. Your rich 3. Your real American
You got it all backwards. The reason their dying is that they spend millions on free games and exclusivity. The only thing keeping them afloat is Fortnite.
Their strategy confuses me because it's so short sighted. There's no reason to use Epic at all when Steam is an option, and yeah these exclusivity deals are getting some people to actually buy stuff there, but I can't see that being sustainable. They really need to prioritize making their launcher better than it is. I don't see them fully catching up with Steam ever, especially with how advanced Steam Input or Remote Play is, but even adding smaller things that Steam doesn't have would do something to make people prefer Epic in some aspects. More game organization options is something I really wish Steam had, so that's one small thing Epic could do. I think even making a simpler version of Steam Input that just translates Switch and PS controllers into XInput would go a long way, so you wouldn't have to use third party programs to use non Xbox controllers on Epic anymore. Those are just a couple ideas, I'm sure they could think of way more. I just don't see their current strategy working, and I don't understand why they think it will. They need to change it, otherwise I don't see The Epic Games Store being around for that much longer.
To me, GOG seems to be the only other storefront that is worthwhile. It does something different from what Steam does, and actually works. Every other storefront I've tried just feels buggy and unfinished.
Sweeney still don't know why Steam dominates. It isn't because of the Steam store itself, but for the huge list of community features, library management, internal drivers etc. Steam is the most complete gaming app on PC. Even Xbox Game Pass app in Windows is better than Epic launcher now.
The fact it still doesn't have an offline mode is annoying, And Tim Sweeney isn't exactly playing nice when it comes to Linux and the steam deck. Also, Tim Sweeney sometimes tweets too much for his own good.
I can respect someone that can say "Listen, I was a troll and I was wrong", that takes bigger balls than trolling with a receipt on twitter.. I have nothing against competition for Valve, REAL competition only benefits us gamers. But what Epic is doing is not real competition, it is trying to undercut the competition with an inferior product. As for "I am getting older so I play less... aww.. you sweet summer child... listen... I have been a gamer since frigging PONG was released in my country. (late 1973) I am 55 myself, my group of gamer friends range from mid 30's up to well in their 70's. The fact I am getting older has never stopped me. Sure I have my times I play less, heck I have times I don't play at all for several weeks but in general?... the older I get, the more I play and the wider the range of games I play.
Anyone coming into the market is going to have tough competition. I was also advocating for EGS when it was released. But after 5 years, EGS storefront has shown little to no progress. Very clear that Epic isn't interested in pushing the platform forward. In the meantime, Valve has put so much into Vulkan, Steam VR, Linux gaming and the steamdeck. In my opinion they are trying their damnst to push PC gaming forward.
cool fact, 2015 Valve discovered a person who was working on translating windows to linux for a game he wanted to play on linux and had a dream to have all game to work on linux. at the time most people laughed at him or say its not possible for the amount of unending work need to be done to get almost all game to work on linux. valve took him in and supported him to develop Proton also help Wine. it was a monumental effort to have it working. i commend valve put the time and investment into this project. it changes everything for linux, now its viable for daily driver
epic has already achieved some things tho. like with the apple lawsuit, a lot of companies changed their revenue cut model. i think android store was the best for indies, but also steam changed for the largest selling games the cut down to 25 and 20. so its unfair to say the EGS was a total waste. but i wish they could figure out their issues
It’s just a matter of time; people just look at the quality of game launcher and customers base, but they don’t look at other aspects, such as durations of both stores in the game market, the benefits for game creators, and the resources. With Epic’s resources, its launcher’s quality will definitely be at least equal to Steam’s given the same duration of existence. About player base, they go to where hit games are, and with the Unreal Engine and the Epic Game Store’s great benefits for Creators, more hit games will appear in its store over time. And the most important aspect is Epic Game Store is setup in a way that is friendly with young generations, and they are the future while Steam’s environment is more toxic over time. Ask yourself this: If you have children, would you want them to use Epic Game Store or Steam? Even as a creator, I felt sick every time I think about Steam’s cut(throat) of the game’s share.
@@tagodain "With Epic’s resources, its launcher’s quality will definitely be at least equal to Steam’s given the same duration of existence." no, not with how little money they make from sales with EGS. it literally took 4 years for them to bother about a shopping cart, a feature so old it was baffling EGS didn't have it from the get go. Plus tencent have a 40% stake in epic, do you really think they're not gonna pressure epic into pumping more money? The reality is EGS has been unprofitable for too long already and tencent will stop investing when they're tired of losing so much money. So unless they turn around and somehow convince poeple to buy on EGS, it's not looking good for EGS. "About player base, they go to where hit games are, and with the Unreal Engine and the Epic Game Store’s great benefits for Creators, more hit games will appear in its store over time." we are seeing the opposite though, many games will now no longer bother with a potential deal with epic because it's too many potential sales lost over steam. "And the most important aspect is Epic Game Store is setup in a way that is friendly with young generations, and they are the future while Steam’s environment is more toxic over time." not true at all lmao, younger generation less toxic? have you not seen how fortnite players are online? "Ask yourself this: If you have children, would you want them to use Epic Game Store or Steam?" steam and GOG. i don't care about the lesser cut and it's not the consumer's responsibility. valve is actively pushing linux gaming in the right direction with cool projects backed up by red hat engineers at a time where windows is at its worst ever. Quite frankly valve has done more positivity for the whole pc ecosystem than epic ever will. Epic is anti linux, epic is anti-competitive, they are also anti-consumer. I will never encourage my kids to supports such an awfully evil company. "Even as a creator, I felt sick every time I think about Steam’s cut(throat) of the game’s share."uh huh. well whatever you say
@@tagodain Parents should be the ones to be monitoring their own kids. Not a company. If you think any company is good for monitoring kids you are just sad.
Steam may take a 30% cut from game developers, but some of does cut are use the make the steam experience better. And Epic Store is not available on my PC running Linux Mint, but Steam is! They think that Linux user can't pay!
My biggest problem with Epic Games is that it's a hassle to discover existing games, after reinstalling Windows. Ubisoft Connect has a button "Locate installed game".
@@Gogo-e9s steam has drm but it doesn't force publishers to use any kind of drm. There are a lot of games on Steam without any kind of DRM and you can launch them without Steam, move around your PC without problems
Yea bro dont use epic games it is a spyware and give data china and rob us especially they go use ur credit card information to china and they rob ur money when the war starts and they use little kids who play fortnight and some lego game rip off things and china funding from china so who ever is gonna debate me with that 1. Your some fortnight kid 2. You are poor who get free games 3. Your an eastern spy If you agree with me 1.your real alpha man 2. Your rich 3. Your real American
I don't think Epic Games Store is bad but I don't think I will commit to it because they don't provide client to Linux based OS Valve had smart move when they ported Steam to Linux. If next Windows sucks, I can play games on other system. Valve is at the core of PC gaming because they realize that.
How is it garbage? Because it’s not steam? What’s it matter as long as you got your game ? If there is a problem with the game it’s the publishers fault. Nobody blamed GameStop for EA’s BS.
@@taylorsmith9629 I don't have a problem with the storefront existing. My issue is the store is still lacking basic features after all these years and instead of improving it, they still go buying exclusively rights. The game I bought wasn't bad, I hated how I gave my money to that store.
@@taylorsmith9629 Epic launcher is as barebone as it gets and yet it's slower to use than any other launcher with a lot of more features. Another thing is that Epic icons is huge because Epic only care about people who is almost blind.
and btw EGS cut is 12%, not 15%. 2% percent is processing fees according to them. their whole stick was that 10% should be enough for a digital storefront. i kinda still believe in their ideologies, and do think they get too much flack. but that doesnt rly matters if they will never be profitable and a lot of people associate them with anti consumer practices (although this could be a vocal minority. i went to 3D uni program and there only the weird basement dweller type characters would say the typical anti EGS rhetoric, while the majority had a neutral or postive view of them)
I'm with you. I still buy my games on Epic nowadays, because I beleive in their 12% cut ideology. I still sincerely hope either one day Steam would lower there cut (maybe not as low as 12%) , or Epic would come to its senses and put more effort into improving their storefront.
@bingzhouchen5795 I still don't understand how some games in EGS is not cheaper than its steam counterpart even when they get more cut in EGS. I mean store cut were being taken into account when pricing the game so by that conclusion EGS should be slightly cheaper games because they only get 15% compare to steam 30%.
@@andreitaker3527 I don't have any evidence for this, but my guess is the publishers/developers would like to earn a bit more, and they didn't felt the need to lower their prices, or just didn't bother to come up with a new pricing strategy. With EGS's current reputation, some of them might even keep prices the same on purpose, because setting a low price on EGS might be seen as enticing players to buy it on EGS, people might think they are "standing up for EGS" which might draw unwanted heat.
@@bingzhouchen5795 You never work on game development, even you didnt know about busyness. 12% cut from Epic is really good for Publisher/Developer. It like add more fuel to them to produce better games.
Epic would become bankroupt, that store is not rentable, they give away games, have less price cut, buy exclusives that no1 buys, and devs know Epic sell almost nothing compared to steam or microsoft store. They are just losing money
Yea bro dont use epic games it is a spyware and give data china and rob us especially they go use ur credit card information to china and they rob ur money when the war starts and they use little kids who play fortnight and some lego game rip off things and china funding from china so who ever is gonna debate me with that 1. Your some fortnight kid 2. You are poor who get free games 3. Your an eastern spy If you agree with me 1.your real alpha man 2. Your rich 3. Your real American
7:36 Not saying EAplay, Uplay or BattlleNet Launcher should exist but you missed the one that basically has no purpose of existence, Rockstar's Social Club.
I went to certain length to avoid to have to start the epic launcher for games like Rocketleague. I am going through a 3rd party application to tie those sad few epic exclusive games that are worth it into steam, becausethe epic launcher is just plain bad.
I’m a gamedev, a competitor for valve would benefit me IMMENSELY. But honestly? I would pay valves fee ($100 per game which translates to around 300-400 in my currency) 5 times and put totally free games. Before I accept anything from epic games store, less cut percentage? Decent, but that’s the only benefit I believe I could get from them.
Why is it bad? How is it any different than Walmart, Target, Ralph’s, Aldi, Winco, Safeway-Albertsons and Whole Foods existing for groceries? More competition lowers prices.
@@taylorsmith9629 it's not trying to be competition when it is paying millions to have exclusives to try and monopolize the market while having the worst version of the client, it takes ages to lunch games and has less features
I agree with most points, but why do I have to buy a 2k game, or Rockstar or any of the Warhammer games and then register it TWICE. Once on steam and then on the company's proprietary platform. Steam or Epic games one registration should be enough.
My issue with Epic was the fact they axed Fortnite, a game I bought in day one, and turned it into just another pubg but with minor base-building attributes. I PAID for the story mode. I didn't pay for pub-bloody-g. Never again.
I just open Epic Games Store once a week and get free game, if i eventually get something that i actually want to play, good, if not, at least i'm making them lose money, they deserve it lol
Epic will fall. It's inevitable. Steam will stay the course for the next few decades easily. However, whether Steam will stay the best during that time remains to be seen. Valve is approaching a high management shift. Gabe Newell is getting really old and his health isn't so great anymore. Steam will be changing soon, and it would be wise to keep a keen eye on any new Valve CEO who steps up to the plate.
EGS has a couple of years before it becomes too much of a liability. If throwing the ungodly amounts of money Epic has at the problem hasn't solved it, I doubt anything will.
Without user reviews it's just not a trustworthy platform. There are problems with user reviews, no question about that. But they are still crucial. Before we had steam reviews, we only could take the word of some game reviews and had to search forums to find out if a game had serious technical issues. Many games published in a bad state and where unplayable, and never patched at all. Steam actually has taken down some games like that. Epic saying reviews are bad brings these business practices back. Also, they exploit steam, because steam has reviews and forums for games. I bet many people who buy something on epic, read steam reviews.
So i didn't watch the full video but i find it a really good trait to be able to acknowledge unlike other youtubers who are total narcisists. Keep up the good work !
Based on pure, objective facts, thinking that the epic store is great (as a store) is so incredibly deluded that I think nobody should take seriously anything you say or think. It's like saying that the earth is flat or that vaccines are used to control people minds, you need to have serious personal difficulties. Any time you make a choice, you should stop and do the opposite, just to be sure you don't die by accident. It requires a good pair to recognize mistakes in the internet though. Since you did it, it makes me wonder if it was really that good of a decision...
Why is it bad? How is it any different than Walmart, Target, Ralph’s, Aldi, Winco, Safeway-Albertsons and Whole Foods existing for groceries? More competition lowers prices.
I would like to see any type of source that indicates the existence of EGS has lowered Steam game prices. Digital storefronts don't set the prices. Game publishers do. And they've decided that we should pay more for games, not less.
Its like you have Wallmart and some Jonesx store that is only open at friday, accepts only cash and an top of that it bought all suplay of coca cola in town. I would be pissed.
Eh, competition is competition; Epic is the only competition for Steam. Steam knows that people only hold to their platform because of their well-developed ecosystem and rich features. They will need to continue improving their platform to maintain their lead.
So anti-consumer practices (buying exclusivity), the lack of support for other OS, and some of the worst Customer service, ON TOP OF laying off 16% of their staff is good competition? You know what Valve did to combat Epic? Nothing. At least nothing directly. Valve released the steam deck, they developed steam OS, they helped develop Vulcan, and assisted in decoupling your games from windows, and mac os’s. Valve yes, holds a large share of the market, but they are so pro consumer it’s not even funny.
@@LinkiePup Don't get me wrong; I prefer to use Steam whenever possible (Or GoG for DRM games). But I still like to see that there is something that exists that is not 100% worthless; any competition is good. Stopping companies from going public might do more good at this point. Shareholders need to improve at making good companies.
wrong. valve changed their revenue cut to 25% and 20% for games earning 10 and 50 million respectively. and there are probably other features that were done in response to EGS. this is how competetion works@@LinkiePup
Epic isn't even competition, at least in any sense that could ever benefit the customer. They burn through cash paying developers for exclusives so that they don't have to compete against Steam in selling their games. They're bleeding cash to give people free games so that they don't have to compete against Steam to get people to their store. Anyone can be a charity when you have tons of disposable money. But to actually be a competitor, they need to be a business, not a charity. A customer base you create through exclusivity deals and charity is not gonna stay when the reckless spending ends, unless you actually have something to offer them. Epic Games Store has nothing. In fact, they haven't really even tried to come up with anything. All of their efforts have been directed towards the developer side anyway. So much so that it appears they have forgotten that, at the end of the day, 70% of $59.99 is still more than 85% of $0.00.
Your question just translates to "When will Fortnite and that game making engine die?" To me. Because Epic Games is mostly dependent on VBucks and that game engine is a tool.
Not really. I'm talking specifically about their digital storefront. Not Epic Games as a whole. One singular game can't keep an entire storefront alive.
@@RealCynicalGamer Ah, guess I should've said "storefront" instead. But they have other battle royales and multiplayer games that I see them mismanaging, so, those games don't make as much as Fortnite. Despite that they're doing their part.
Epic Game Store will outlast Steam due to the following: 1. Unreal Engine (this is the huge key!) 2. Game Creator 88% and 12% Epic. 3. Even 5% Royalty Fee of Unreal Engine is waived if using their payment processor. 4. Gaming environment is setup for kids friendly and attract young generations over time and this is another big key! 5. With the drama of Unity Engine in the last few months, no game engines will catch up to Unreal Engine anymore. 6. Epic Game Store has been out for only 5 years; look back to the first 5 years of Steam for comparison. 6. What happened to Valve’s Half-Life game engine? 7. What happened to Steam when the old generation of gamers dies out? 8. Games porting to Steam are not friendly/compatible for other platforms. In short term, indie game devs may benefit more from Steam due to its current customer base, especially for non-live-service games, but in the long term, indie game devs are better investing in Epic due to many good benefits, especially for live-service games and made with Unreal Engine. On Steam Game Store in general, 30% Steam, 5% Epic passing 1 million revenue, Creator is left with 65%. On Epic Game Store in general, 12% Epic and 88% Creator. Most games don’t make 1 million mark, true, but it’s a dream most indie game dev have, and a big motivation for these creators to opt for Epic Game Store, especially those using Unreal Engine; and hit games generate tons of profits, and most live-service games would eventually pass the 1 million mark.
you are deluded if you think epic is gonna outlast valve. My dude, epic will not last, and will close in the long term because their business model isn't sustainable nor profitable. Publishers started coming back to steam and ignoring offers made by epic because in the end, games sell far better outside of EGS. EGS will die and epic will have to rely on unreal fees to survive, and fortnite money. just like before. Tim only sees short term profit, he doesn't see long term and it's gonna ruin the company. You forgot to take into account tha valve doesn't just have steam, they have the steam deck (their game platform on linux) and they actively push for linux gaming to compete with windows. If anything valve has backup plans already, epic doesn't. We'll see who will last the longest.
Yea bro dont use epic games it is a spyware and give data china and rob us especially they go use ur credit card information to china and they rob ur money when the war starts and they use little kids who play fortnight and some lego game rip off things and china funding from china so who ever is gonna debate me with that 1. Your some fortnight kid 2. You are poor who get free games 3. Your an eastern spy If you agree with me 1.your real alpha man 2. Your rich 3. Your real American
Buying stuff to make others mad is such a... sad thing to do.
This is a really weird part of RUclips I've stumbled on. Someone who actually defended Epic game store? Someone who's audience thought Stadia being basically dead on arrival was a hot take? Where am I??
Defending the Epic Games Store felt like arguing for pineapple on pizza. Predicting the downfall of Stadia felt like explaining why the Earth is round to a bunch of flat earthers.
Oi. Pineapple on Pizza is genuinely good tho.
But seriously, Kudos to you for coming to terms with reality. It's okay to be wrong once in a while. It's not a crime. Good video mate.
Yea bro dont use epic games it is a spyware and give data china and rob us especially they go use ur credit card information to china and they rob ur money when the war starts and they use little kids who play fortnight and some lego game rip off things and china funding from china so who ever is gonna debate me with that
1. Your some fortnight kid
2. You are poor who get free games
3. Your an eastern spy
If you agree with me
1.your real alpha man
2. Your rich
3. Your real American
Only reason why the store still exists is due to the free games offered.
i have 174 free games from epic store & i have never played any of them & never bought anything from them
And Fortnite
You got it all backwards. The reason their dying is that they spend millions on free games and exclusivity. The only thing keeping them afloat is Fortnite.
Nah the only reason it’s still standing because Fortnite keeps pumping the money.
Their strategy confuses me because it's so short sighted. There's no reason to use Epic at all when Steam is an option, and yeah these exclusivity deals are getting some people to actually buy stuff there, but I can't see that being sustainable.
They really need to prioritize making their launcher better than it is. I don't see them fully catching up with Steam ever, especially with how advanced Steam Input or Remote Play is, but even adding smaller things that Steam doesn't have would do something to make people prefer Epic in some aspects. More game organization options is something I really wish Steam had, so that's one small thing Epic could do. I think even making a simpler version of Steam Input that just translates Switch and PS controllers into XInput would go a long way, so you wouldn't have to use third party programs to use non Xbox controllers on Epic anymore. Those are just a couple ideas, I'm sure they could think of way more.
I just don't see their current strategy working, and I don't understand why they think it will. They need to change it, otherwise I don't see The Epic Games Store being around for that much longer.
To me, GOG seems to be the only other storefront that is worthwhile. It does something different from what Steam does, and actually works. Every other storefront I've tried just feels buggy and unfinished.
Sweeney still don't know why Steam dominates. It isn't because of the Steam store itself, but for the huge list of community features, library management, internal drivers etc.
Steam is the most complete gaming app on PC.
Even Xbox Game Pass app in Windows is better than Epic launcher now.
The fact it still doesn't have an offline mode is annoying, And Tim Sweeney isn't exactly playing nice when it comes to Linux and the steam deck. Also, Tim Sweeney sometimes tweets too much for his own good.
I can respect someone that can say "Listen, I was a troll and I was wrong", that takes bigger balls than trolling with a receipt on twitter..
I have nothing against competition for Valve, REAL competition only benefits us gamers. But what Epic is doing is not real competition, it is trying to undercut the competition with an inferior product.
As for "I am getting older so I play less... aww.. you sweet summer child... listen... I have been a gamer since frigging PONG was released in my country. (late 1973) I am 55 myself, my group of gamer friends range from mid 30's up to well in their 70's. The fact I am getting older has never stopped me. Sure I have my times I play less, heck I have times I don't play at all for several weeks but in general?... the older I get, the more I play and the wider the range of games I play.
Anyone coming into the market is going to have tough competition. I was also advocating for EGS when it was released. But after 5 years, EGS storefront has shown little to no progress. Very clear that Epic isn't interested in pushing the platform forward. In the meantime, Valve has put so much into Vulkan, Steam VR, Linux gaming and the steamdeck. In my opinion they are trying their damnst to push PC gaming forward.
cool fact, 2015 Valve discovered a person who was working on translating windows to linux for a game he wanted to play on linux and had a dream to have all game to work on linux. at the time most people laughed at him or say its not possible for the amount of unending work need to be done to get almost all game to work on linux. valve took him in and supported him to develop Proton also help Wine. it was a monumental effort to have it working. i commend valve put the time and investment into this project. it changes everything for linux, now its viable for daily driver
the UI is enough of a reason not to buy anything
it took me some time to find out how to turn off the darn free game notifications.
epic has crypto and eft games thats a strong indicator that they are on their last legs and will be gone within the next year
They better be.
I respect you admitting you were wrong.
epic has already achieved some things tho. like with the apple lawsuit, a lot of companies changed their revenue cut model. i think android store was the best for indies, but also steam changed for the largest selling games the cut down to 25 and 20. so its unfair to say the EGS was a total waste. but i wish they could figure out their issues
It’s just a matter of time; people just look at the quality of game launcher and customers base, but they don’t look at other aspects, such as durations of both stores in the game market, the benefits for game creators, and the resources.
With Epic’s resources, its launcher’s quality will definitely be at least equal to Steam’s given the same duration of existence.
About player base, they go to where hit games are, and with the Unreal Engine and the Epic Game Store’s great benefits for Creators, more hit games will appear in its store over time.
And the most important aspect is Epic Game Store is setup in a way that is friendly with young generations, and they are the future while Steam’s environment is more toxic over time.
Ask yourself this: If you have children, would you want them to use Epic Game Store or Steam?
Even as a creator, I felt sick every time I think about Steam’s cut(throat) of the game’s share.
@@tagodain "With Epic’s resources, its launcher’s quality will definitely be at least equal to Steam’s given the same duration of existence." no, not with how little money they make from sales with EGS. it literally took 4 years for them to bother about a shopping cart, a feature so old it was baffling EGS didn't have it from the get go. Plus tencent have a 40% stake in epic, do you really think they're not gonna pressure epic into pumping more money? The reality is EGS has been unprofitable for too long already and tencent will stop investing when they're tired of losing so much money. So unless they turn around and somehow convince poeple to buy on EGS, it's not looking good for EGS.
"About player base, they go to where hit games are, and with the Unreal Engine and the Epic Game Store’s great benefits for Creators, more hit games will appear in its store over time." we are seeing the opposite though, many games will now no longer bother with a potential deal with epic because it's too many potential sales lost over steam.
"And the most important aspect is Epic Game Store is setup in a way that is friendly with young generations, and they are the future while Steam’s environment is more toxic over time." not true at all lmao, younger generation less toxic? have you not seen how fortnite players are online?
"Ask yourself this: If you have children, would you want them to use Epic Game Store or Steam?" steam and GOG. i don't care about the lesser cut and it's not the consumer's responsibility. valve is actively pushing linux gaming in the right direction with cool projects backed up by red hat engineers at a time where windows is at its worst ever. Quite frankly valve has done more positivity for the whole pc ecosystem than epic ever will. Epic is anti linux, epic is anti-competitive, they are also anti-consumer. I will never encourage my kids to supports such an awfully evil company.
"Even as a creator, I felt sick every time I think about Steam’s cut(throat) of the game’s share."uh huh. well whatever you say
@@tagodain Parents should be the ones to be monitoring their own kids. Not a company. If you think any company is good for monitoring kids you are just sad.
Steam may take a 30% cut from game developers, but some of does cut are use the make the steam experience better. And Epic Store is not available on my PC running Linux Mint, but Steam is! They think that Linux user can't pay!
My biggest problem with Epic Games is that it's a hassle to discover existing games, after reinstalling Windows. Ubisoft Connect has a button "Locate installed game".
imo gog is the best since you own the games, steam is drm.
Steam doesn't force DRM, there are plenty of DRM-free games on Steam.
@@VORASTRA
Lol 😂😂 without drm steam doesn't exist
@@Gogo-e9s steam has drm but it doesn't force publishers to use any kind of drm. There are a lot of games on Steam without any kind of DRM and you can launch them without Steam, move around your PC without problems
Epic is half owned by Tencent, a Chinese subsidiary, Epic is not dogshite, that’s unfair to dogs, it’s bile and the CEO is creepy.
Yea bro dont use epic games it is a spyware and give data china and rob us especially they go use ur credit card information to china and they rob ur money when the war starts and they use little kids who play fortnight and some lego game rip off things and china funding from china so who ever is gonna debate me with that
1. Your some fortnight kid
2. You are poor who get free games
3. Your an eastern spy
If you agree with me
1.your real alpha man
2. Your rich
3. Your real American
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong
I don't think Epic Games Store is bad but I don't think I will commit to it because they don't provide client to Linux based OS
Valve had smart move when they ported Steam to Linux. If next Windows sucks, I can play games on other system.
Valve is at the core of PC gaming because they realize that.
Ea still has their own launcher and even if you biy games on steam you need the ea app
I don’t even know what the vid is about… but that fairly odd parents gameplay is SICK!!
Yeah the Epic Games Store is garbage. I bought one game from it year's ago and instantly regretted my choice.
How is it garbage? Because it’s not steam? What’s it matter as long as you got your game ? If there is a problem with the game it’s the publishers fault. Nobody blamed GameStop for EA’s BS.
@@taylorsmith9629 I don't have a problem with the storefront existing. My issue is the store is still lacking basic features after all these years and instead of improving it, they still go buying exclusively rights. The game I bought wasn't bad, I hated how I gave my money to that store.
@@taylorsmith9629 They took 3 years to add a SHOPPING CART. 3 FUCKING YEARS.
@@taylorsmith9629 Epic launcher is as barebone as it gets and yet it's slower to use than any other launcher with a lot of more features.
Another thing is that Epic icons is huge because Epic only care about people who is almost blind.
and btw EGS cut is 12%, not 15%. 2% percent is processing fees according to them. their whole stick was that 10% should be enough for a digital storefront. i kinda still believe in their ideologies, and do think they get too much flack. but that doesnt rly matters if they will never be profitable and a lot of people associate them with anti consumer practices (although this could be a vocal minority. i went to 3D uni program and there only the weird basement dweller type characters would say the typical anti EGS rhetoric, while the majority had a neutral or postive view of them)
I'm with you. I still buy my games on Epic nowadays, because I beleive in their 12% cut ideology. I still sincerely hope either one day Steam would lower there cut (maybe not as low as 12%) , or Epic would come to its senses and put more effort into improving their storefront.
@bingzhouchen5795 I still don't understand how some games in EGS is not cheaper than its steam counterpart even when they get more cut in EGS.
I mean store cut were being taken into account when pricing the game so by that conclusion EGS should be slightly cheaper games because they only get 15% compare to steam 30%.
@@andreitaker3527 I don't have any evidence for this, but my guess is the publishers/developers would like to earn a bit more, and they didn't felt the need to lower their prices, or just didn't bother to come up with a new pricing strategy.
With EGS's current reputation, some of them might even keep prices the same on purpose, because setting a low price on EGS might be seen as enticing players to buy it on EGS, people might think they are "standing up for EGS" which might draw unwanted heat.
@@andreitaker3527 The problem with your assumption is thinking publishers WANT to give consumers the best price out of the goodness of their hearts.
@@bingzhouchen5795 You never work on game development, even you didnt know about busyness. 12% cut from Epic is really good for Publisher/Developer. It like add more fuel to them to produce better games.
Epic would become bankroupt, that store is not rentable, they give away games, have less price cut, buy exclusives that no1 buys, and devs know Epic sell almost nothing compared to steam or microsoft store. They are just losing money
Yea bro dont use epic games it is a spyware and give data china and rob us especially they go use ur credit card information to china and they rob ur money when the war starts and they use little kids who play fortnight and some lego game rip off things and china funding from china so who ever is gonna debate me with that
1. Your some fortnight kid
2. You are poor who get free games
3. Your an eastern spy
If you agree with me
1.your real alpha man
2. Your rich
3. Your real American
7:36 Not saying EAplay, Uplay or BattlleNet Launcher should exist but you missed the one that basically has no purpose of existence, Rockstar's Social Club.
I went to certain length to avoid to have to start the epic launcher for games like Rocketleague. I am going through a 3rd party application to tie those sad few epic exclusive games that are worth it into steam, becausethe epic launcher is just plain bad.
I’m a gamedev, a competitor for valve would benefit me IMMENSELY. But honestly? I would pay valves fee ($100 per game which translates to around 300-400 in my currency) 5 times and put totally free games. Before I accept anything from epic games store, less cut percentage? Decent, but that’s the only benefit I believe I could get from them.
Don't need another store front thats fs. Glad discord isn't
Why is it bad? How is it any different than Walmart, Target, Ralph’s, Aldi, Winco, Safeway-Albertsons and Whole Foods existing for groceries? More competition lowers prices.
@@taylorsmith9629 it's not trying to be competition when it is paying millions to have exclusives to try and monopolize the market while having the worst version of the client, it takes ages to lunch games and has less features
@@moebino2685Upgrade your setup bro if egs takes too much time
I bought only 1 game on Epic
I agree with most points, but why do I have to buy a 2k game, or Rockstar or any of the Warhammer games and then register it TWICE. Once on steam and then on the company's proprietary platform. Steam or Epic games one registration should be enough.
My issue with Epic was the fact they axed Fortnite, a game I bought in day one, and turned it into just another pubg but with minor base-building attributes.
I PAID for the story mode. I didn't pay for pub-bloody-g. Never again.
The epic games will most likely shut down and go to steam
I just open Epic Games Store once a week and get free game, if i eventually get something that i actually want to play, good, if not, at least i'm making them lose money, they deserve it lol
Epic will fall. It's inevitable.
Steam will stay the course for the next few decades easily.
However, whether Steam will stay the best during that time remains to be seen. Valve is approaching a high management shift. Gabe Newell is getting really old and his health isn't so great anymore. Steam will be changing soon, and it would be wise to keep a keen eye on any new Valve CEO who steps up to the plate.
Which game is this?
EGS has a couple of years before it becomes too much of a liability. If throwing the ungodly amounts of money Epic has at the problem hasn't solved it, I doubt anything will.
Without user reviews it's just not a trustworthy platform. There are problems with user reviews, no question about that. But they are still crucial.
Before we had steam reviews, we only could take the word of some game reviews and had to search forums to find out if a game had serious technical issues.
Many games published in a bad state and where unplayable, and never patched at all. Steam actually has taken down some games like that.
Epic saying reviews are bad brings these business practices back. Also, they exploit steam, because steam has reviews and forums for games. I bet many people who buy something on epic, read steam reviews.
So i didn't watch the full video but i find it a really good trait to be able to acknowledge unlike other youtubers who are total narcisists. Keep up the good work !
I always thought it was garbage.
Based on pure, objective facts, thinking that the epic store is great (as a store) is so incredibly deluded that I think nobody should take seriously anything you say or think. It's like saying that the earth is flat or that vaccines are used to control people minds, you need to have serious personal difficulties. Any time you make a choice, you should stop and do the opposite, just to be sure you don't die by accident.
It requires a good pair to recognize mistakes in the internet though. Since you did it, it makes me wonder if it was really that good of a decision...
Why is it bad? How is it any different than Walmart, Target, Ralph’s, Aldi, Winco, Safeway-Albertsons and Whole Foods existing for groceries? More competition lowers prices.
I would like to see any type of source that indicates the existence of EGS has lowered Steam game prices. Digital storefronts don't set the prices. Game publishers do. And they've decided that we should pay more for games, not less.
Its like you have Wallmart and some Jonesx store that is only open at friday, accepts only cash and an top of that it bought all suplay of coca cola in town. I would be pissed.
bro dont play this shit....
Eh, competition is competition; Epic is the only competition for Steam. Steam knows that people only hold to their platform because of their well-developed ecosystem and rich features. They will need to continue improving their platform to maintain their lead.
When do you think they'll turn a profit then?
So anti-consumer practices (buying exclusivity), the lack of support for other OS, and some of the worst Customer service, ON TOP OF laying off 16% of their staff is good competition?
You know what Valve did to combat Epic?
Nothing. At least nothing directly.
Valve released the steam deck, they developed steam OS, they helped develop Vulcan, and assisted in decoupling your games from windows, and mac os’s.
Valve yes, holds a large share of the market, but they are so pro consumer it’s not even funny.
@@LinkiePup Don't get me wrong; I prefer to use Steam whenever possible (Or GoG for DRM games). But I still like to see that there is something that exists that is not 100% worthless; any competition is good.
Stopping companies from going public might do more good at this point. Shareholders need to improve at making good companies.
wrong. valve changed their revenue cut to 25% and 20% for games earning 10 and 50 million respectively. and there are probably other features that were done in response to EGS. this is how competetion works@@LinkiePup
Epic isn't even competition, at least in any sense that could ever benefit the customer. They burn through cash paying developers for exclusives so that they don't have to compete against Steam in selling their games. They're bleeding cash to give people free games so that they don't have to compete against Steam to get people to their store.
Anyone can be a charity when you have tons of disposable money. But to actually be a competitor, they need to be a business, not a charity. A customer base you create through exclusivity deals and charity is not gonna stay when the reckless spending ends, unless you actually have something to offer them. Epic Games Store has nothing. In fact, they haven't really even tried to come up with anything. All of their efforts have been directed towards the developer side anyway. So much so that it appears they have forgotten that, at the end of the day, 70% of $59.99 is still more than 85% of $0.00.
Your question just translates to "When will Fortnite and that game making engine die?" To me. Because Epic Games is mostly dependent on VBucks and that game engine is a tool.
Not really. I'm talking specifically about their digital storefront. Not Epic Games as a whole. One singular game can't keep an entire storefront alive.
@@RealCynicalGamer Ah, guess I should've said "storefront" instead. But they have other battle royales and multiplayer games that I see them mismanaging, so, those games don't make as much as Fortnite. Despite that they're doing their part.
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Epic Game Store will outlast Steam due to the following:
1. Unreal Engine (this is the huge key!)
2. Game Creator 88% and 12% Epic.
3. Even 5% Royalty Fee of Unreal Engine is waived if using their payment processor.
4. Gaming environment is setup for kids friendly and attract young generations over time and this is another big key!
5. With the drama of Unity Engine in the last few months, no game engines will catch up to Unreal Engine anymore.
6. Epic Game Store has been out for only 5 years; look back to the first 5 years of Steam for comparison.
6. What happened to Valve’s Half-Life game engine?
7. What happened to Steam when the old generation of gamers dies out?
8. Games porting to Steam are not friendly/compatible for other platforms.
In short term, indie game devs may benefit more from Steam due to its current customer base, especially for non-live-service games, but in the long term, indie game devs are better investing in Epic due to many good benefits, especially for live-service games and made with Unreal Engine.
On Steam Game Store in general, 30% Steam, 5% Epic passing 1 million revenue, Creator is left with 65%.
On Epic Game Store in general, 12% Epic and 88% Creator.
Most games don’t make 1 million mark, true, but it’s a dream most indie game dev have, and a big motivation for these creators to opt for Epic Game Store, especially those using Unreal Engine; and hit games generate tons of profits, and most live-service games would eventually pass the 1 million mark.
you are deluded if you think epic is gonna outlast valve. My dude, epic will not last, and will close in the long term because their business model isn't sustainable nor profitable. Publishers started coming back to steam and ignoring offers made by epic because in the end, games sell far better outside of EGS.
EGS will die and epic will have to rely on unreal fees to survive, and fortnite money. just like before. Tim only sees short term profit, he doesn't see long term and it's gonna ruin the company.
You forgot to take into account tha valve doesn't just have steam, they have the steam deck (their game platform on linux) and they actively push for linux gaming to compete with windows. If anything valve has backup plans already, epic doesn't. We'll see who will last the longest.
Yea bro dont use epic games it is a spyware and give data china and rob us especially they go use ur credit card information to china and they rob ur money when the war starts and they use little kids who play fortnight and some lego game rip off things and china funding from china so who ever is gonna debate me with that
1. Your some fortnight kid
2. You are poor who get free games
3. Your an eastern spy
If you agree with me
1.your real alpha man
2. Your rich
3. Your real American
@@user-us6ft2sj5q And if everything goes wrong, it won't, steam will release half-life 3 I hope