Epic Games Store Still Not Profitable 5 Years After Launch
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The strategy around Epic Games Store has basically been throw money at free games and exclusives, but the Steam ecosystem is still far ahead in terms of features and usability. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Epic hasn't made that much of a dent.
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Epic calling Steam a monopoly while paying developers/publishers to take their games away from Steam is peak lack of self awareness
It’s okay for epic but not okay for anyone else.
It's even better when they demanded Steam offer competitive rates for developers...and then Steam did. Then Epic made a surprised pikachu face when steam is still more successful and makes more money.
@@robertnapier624 *"Rules for thee, but not for me!"*
@@wdf70 sounds like a teenage challenged a full grown settled adult and surprised on why they still did it better then them :v
@@wdf70 Yeah, Valve added that threshold profit. Timmy Tencent is braindead as hell.
You know, if they simply put all their money into making the Epic Game Store user friendly rather then throwing so much money into these lawsuits that went nowhere they might've had something rivaling Steam
Agree 100 percent
i mean if they revamped and redid unreal 1998 or remaster old titles and kept them exclusive on egs
They would not have something rivaling Steam and they know it, no store will rival Steam, ever. Because Steam has a 20 year head start on everyone and vast majority of PC gamers have their game libraries and friends on Steam. No store can rival something like that. That is what Epic knows and why they probably don't give a feck about vastly improving their store.
Also that is why Steam takes 30% from devs and they don't care, because they know they are untouchable.
Epic games store is actually just a bad game launcher. The only time I have ever bought a game that came with no achievements was on epic games store. Borderlands 3 and red dead redemption 2 both don’t have achievements which Is INSANE especially if I just bought the game on Steam I would have avoided all these unnecessary issues.
Only game I ever bought there was THPS1+2. Got it on early 2021 because it was supposed to never come to Steam, and it really didn't until this year. I'm glad I got to play the game, but if I had been given a choice I would have gotten it on Steam.
I have a friend in game development that worships Epic Game Store because of their more generous cut to the developers per game sold. And I keep on trying to tell him that the cut doesn't mean anything if no one buys your game.
thats ironic because they treat their employees like shit, cutting 16% of their work force so that the ceo can keep getting paid millions isnt a good thing, especially for someone that cares about game development
I'm more ok with it given Valve time and time again has shown itself to actually use the money for something, more often than not releasing those tools back to the community or contributing to open source projects. Or they are taking the money and throwing it into research and development for what is probably the best handheld to ever release or even after 4 years, the Valve Index continues to be one of the best VR devices on the market and have been dumping money into creating its successor. Valve has been a pioneer of the gaming medium pretty much since its inception and continues to do so. Even if its a 30% cut, there's a good chance that money went to nearly perfecting windows emulation on linux, in which that code was released publicly and anyone can use freely.
Epic is cool rn for smoe countries due to steam removing region price for some countries.
@@gaiatifulas someone who worked there for a few years… they treated there employees better then most studios… they treated the Temp workers like shit… but still sadly better then most other studios
You can hate epic… but the current situation is more complex, then again I left when tencent got power
As someone who is learning game development with Unreal Engine, using the client is hell, I swear half the time the buttons dont work. Navigating the marketplace is unstable AF. Asset pages just fail to load. It's just a very unstable platform. Sometimes when upgrading the Unreal Engine version, it'll get stuck at 99% for several hours. Only to have it been completed hours ago and only restarting fixes the bug.
Being perfectly blunt, I actively avoided using Epic Games Store at all. From the early period where it was monitored as *actively trying to uninstall and delete Steam* to allowing Tencent to buy a sizable voting stake in the company were huge red flags for me. Especially the latter because Tencent is known to just automatically fork over whatever China's government wants on a whim, so it just felt like any future "data breach" incidents would be by design, rather than by incident or malice.
Steam did nothing and still won while epic crashed and burned lmao.
The only good thing about Epic is that it doesn't try to override my dualshock buttons with PC inputs.
It's such a hassle whenever I play any games with my controller on with steam open.
Gabe Newell still wipes himself with $100 bills in a gold bathtub with Half-Life 3 stored behind a secret wall….just in case Epic gains the upper hand.
Yes because Steam is incredibly entrenched, but Steam is a very bad product for how long it's been around. Valve has gotten lazy but hey, theyre in the catbird seat
Steam is living and letting live while Epic keeps picking fights left and right
That's the funny thing, every single time, Steam win. Not by trying to steal customer from other, not by doing huge ads campaign, not by stealing exclusivity... They just worked on their shop and optimisation, and what would be best for their customers.
Everyone tries to make their own launcher or gamestore, but in the end, they all come crawling back to Steam.
Even blizzard did recently.
I must thank all the Epic games users for beta testing the timed exclusive games before they launch on Steam on -50% sale.
You make it sound like it's exclusive to Epic, but there is really no difference if the games were on Steam, you might as well tell that about Steam users who purchased games for full price and later you buying it for 50% less on sales months later. So just stop the making fun of, when there is no difference.
@@BIOSHOCKFOXX There's difference though. It's not on Steam so users have money to spend on other games instead while waiting. Epic users are guinea pigs.
Yeah FR, I remember the Saints Row 3 remaster had me so hyped, I was devastated and bitter when I learned I had to wait a full extra year to play it.. and then I eventually struggling to justify paying 7.50 for it when i would have blindly dropped 40 on launch.
@@BIOSHOCKFOXXThere's a difference
Metro Exodus start out as Epic exclusive
After the exclusive period ends guess what happens?
A better version dropped on Steam with discount
It happens more often than you want to admit
@@BIOSHOCKFOXXYes there is a difference, I have to make another fucking account to yet another platform to use these one or two games that are artificially restricted on one place. Worst of all, that platform is utter shite and has had controversy with user information leaking to where it shouldn't in the past.
When it comes to Epic vs. Google, I remember a commenter (I believe it was on this channel) once saying something to the effect of:
"So what we have here is a multi-million-dollar monolithic corporation, picking a fight with an even bigger corporation, and the smaller corpo is trying to convince the public that they are on the side of the little guy, the average Joes."
It's mind boggling that Epic is the more scummy party in this conflict with Apple and Google. :D
Multi billion. And frankly they are all bad. There is no reason to try figuring out which one is worst.
Fast forward to december , Epicgames won the lawsuit against Google monopoly. LoL, big L.
I had a friend who only used the epic games store to get free games, and even he eventually just stopped using it altogether because of how annoying it is to use when compared to steam. He eventually ended up buying the free games that he already owned ON STEAM despite already owning them on the EGS due to Steam's wider array of features and for multiplayer purposes. Epic made a digital storefront and decided to put all of its budget on marketing rather than actually creating a high-quality store with UX in mind.
These losers can't even make decent UX for Artstation. I have zero hope for the Epic Store either.
I used to check epic on a regular basis for free games since they give away some pretty bigs ones every once and awhile. I just realized I hadn't checked in like 2 months.
The launcher sucks lol. I was playing tomb raider from epic through steam lol
I still do that lol Got 260 games in the launcher and only paid money for like 3 of them
I have never seen a buggier launcher than steam. Especially after 15 june 2023 update.
Imagine not having user reviews 5 years later. The store itself is sh*t. They can offer whatever games for free, or entice devs into exclusivity deals, but they won't ever reach the same level of Steam without comparable features.
Still shit store 😅😅😅😅
The worst part is that those devs who were enticed by that fortnite money slice, couldn't keep their game alive due to the negativity that egs has. Yager's the cycle had a huge player base on steam even as that game was on alpha/beta until they switched to egs... that game is dead now.
@@devilussionI looked it up. Yager had other issues that contributed to its downfall. It was going downhill anyway.
Agreed. I just use it as a free game dispenser
Offering free games is something that makes them less money.
For me it’s the fact they try to one up Steam on the negatives, remember the moment Valve declared they wouldn’t host NFT/blockchain games Epic went “well we will, take that Steam” and now Epic is flooded with shovelware nft games
I remember that. That was pretty funny to me.
10% - 20 games are good the rest are bad
it's incredible to me how the few Epic defenders ever claimed that "well Steam wasn't so great back when it released either!", ignoring that Epic was never competing with release!Steam but adecadelater!Steam
And yet, half a decade has gone for Epic and it's still just as laughable as it used to be.
Out of curiosity, why do you have exclamation marks between words like that? I also seen this done occasionally on websites like TV Tropes when mentioning versions and what have you.
Generally it demarcates variants of entities. I think it originates from fanfiction where it was used to differentiate between various "canons". Basically read the word before the ! as the variant and the word after as the entity. So in this case, they're saying that EGS isn't competing with Steam at release, but with steam a decade later. @@cadethumann8605
@@cadethumann8605 It's a sort of modifier thing, as far as I know it's sourced from Homestuck fandom. The word(s) before the ! are modifiers to notify of some sort of significant change in the character, but I'll admit, its usage is a touch odd here.
And they launch in a state worse than Origin even
@@DraconisLeonidas It's also something that fandoms use when talking about something from an alternative universe
Timmy also touted that his store's 88/12 revenue share would result in lower-priced games for consumers. That happened once. Games continued to be priced at the full $60 and $70. Publishers are the only people who benefit from EGS revenue share. That's not enough for me to go from Steam to EGS.
Yeah. Can't fathom why he thought we'd be fooled by the classic trickle down economics pitch. We all know how that works out.
It happens alot…. Just not on the AAA games.
Edit:
Just to be clear im saying indie games have been cheaper on EGS
Though Ive been told by a few that they don’t change the price because making the game cheaper on EGS will make Steam gamers angry even if you explain the Rev Share
I think David Szymanski (Iron Lungs developer) comment on Epic Games was pretty accurate. Putting up with Valves 30% and defacto monopoly is just better than supporting a company like Epic who has shown that all they want is profitability. If Epic took hold of more of the market or became the key market, we would no doubt see Epic putting in some really terrible stuff.
Even if Steam isn't perfect, they are not as money hungry and anti competitive as Epic is.
I wouldn’t say valve isn’t necessarily more or less greedy then the average company. They did essentially invent lootboxes afterall. They just know the importance of happy customers. They aren’t gonna be actively antagonistic and are just gonna get their customers by providing a good storefront. They also realize that sometimes the best thing you can do is nothing
they invented nothing, because similar systems existed before valve made anything close to it, they (along with multiple other companies) POPULARIZED them, but definitely not created. doesnt mean that valve doesnt want money - but they just seen these work, which... they do. thus they started using it.
but yeah, 20 years on the market taught valve well the art of pleasing customers @@ultimaterecoil1136
@@ultimaterecoil1136 To be exact it was a chinese mmo that started it all in 2007 and lootboxes were introduced to america through fifa09(Still in infancy and not monetized yet) in 2009. As for Valve popularized it by starting a trend in 2010. But my biggest blame is still gonna be EA for Fifa's ultimate teams the year after.
@@JTruong3rddefinitely EA's fault those ultimate team were already in plan
it not an OR choice... you can choose NOT to support epic NOR use Steam... the only added value Steam really provide to the product itself is the refund policies. the rest are just community feature which are good, but does not actually add to the value of the product being offered, because you can buy from the developer's store directly where the developer get the full cut minus only credit card fees and get the exact same product.
the problem comes from the fact that more games are not "retail" games, we are unfortunately moving into microtransaction, like what Epic court case with Apple and Google is really not about retail, it about microtransaction. i dread the day where you will have to buy gems on steam but that's a future problem...
Baffling how long they've insisted on exclusives and weekly free games, instead of making the platform appealing to use. There must be a whole army of us now who only start the client once a week to claim the free games, close it, and never play those games.
Yep only time I purposely open Epic is when the "hey check out the free games for the week" pop up shows it's head. Claim game/s - close Epic for another week - rinse and repeat 😅.
i don't even start the client, i just claim them through their web, i only open the client when my friends want to play fortnite every 8 months 😂
I stopped claiming games altogether. They aren't worth the bad user experience.
Not always
Yeah I had to report the to the ACCC (Australian) because THEY LIED TO ME when I requested my info and account be deleted.
I deleted it when the whole Metro debacle was a thing. Did the deletion and never went back.
A few months later I started getting junk mail from EGS with MY GAMER TAG ON IT advertising DIVISION 2!
I went to log back in via the website and yup... account still active.
I emailed egs support back with screen shots and demanded they delete the account or further action would be taken.
They said it wasn't being deleted basically and asked me for way too much info to verify who I was including my credit card details..
I NEVER SPENT A CENT ON EGS OR FORTNITE SO THEY DIDNT HAVE MY CARD!!!!
I said that's way too much information. I quoted their ABN to them in my email response (Australian Business Number... if you have a presence in Australia and you're a business you need a ABN) which was super easy to find and demanded full deletion or the ACCC would be contacted and a complaint lodged.... which I did anyway... the ACCC HAS ONLINE COMPLAINT FORMS WHICH ARE EASY TO FILL OUT IF YOU HAVE THE ACCUSED ABN!
I did report them and their response was this is basically borderline ID theft.
Epic emailed back WITHIN THE HOUR! saying it was deleted and to not report them.
I told them it was reported anyway and maybe they shouldn't have tried this in the first place to boost numbers.
Tried to log back in via the website and yep... account deleted.
Tweeted at Tim Sweeney calling this out and showing screen shots with my name blurred out.
He called me a liar, named me BY NAME ON TWITTER WHICH IS A FKN DOX which HIS LAPDOG EISBERG OR WOLFEISBERG ON STEAM echoed then blocked.
Want angry messages with your name attached?
Have Tim Sweeney for you to his cult on Twitter.
I deleted my Twitter account.
FUCK SWEENEY! FUCK HIS PR B!TCH EISBERG/WOLFEISBERG/CORD_CUTTER_VR! AND FUCK EPIC GAMES!!!!!
Have we even talked about the crypto based games that steam clearly banned while Epic Games allowed them in? Those games are definitely a work of art that would have taken a lot of Epic’s resources.
If you pay for the same games that I get for free, does that make me the loser?
@@fynkozari9271Only if you spent at least a portion of your life span, maybe.
Valve is probably the only company I'm okay with having a monopoly because they've shown to not abuse it but in fact they're actually very pro consumer.
i agree with you but if all the old people like Gabe Newell retire someday things might change very fast if they see how greedy they can be from having a monopoly.
@@troy1993 If Valve ever becomes publicly traded it's so joever
But Steam isn't a monopoly. If they get greedy and start pulling shit like Epic, then we can choose to use GoG, or even Epic, or other store fronts. We can also start pirating again.
@@shorewall GoG is great - I got like a 7 game bundle when I was looking for one older title.
They play great and I dont have to go through the launcher to enjoy them
Yup, something not mentioned enough is how much piracy is prevented by GOG and steam
It's not going to be profitable until it actually COMPETES with Steam. Buying exclusive timed release rights just tells PC players "this game comes out in a year". We don't want to deal with a shittier version of an existing platform. There are no benefits to using it.
That and the fact in a year, they have started rolling out patches and dlc content invariably leads to better product launch on steam with better informed buyers and fewer refunds
The games aren't even cheaper. You'd think a big selling point of a lower revenue split could be passed onto gamers, but they couldn't even do that much, lmfao.
That is up to developers and publishers. They decide to not lower the price while earning more, Epic has no control in the actual price. What Epic had hoped was that enough good faith developers and publishers will actually lower their prices that the storefront fees being lower actually has a tangible ad positive effect on all parties.
This sadly rarely happens however, due to the nature of most publishers not being in good faith @@Spectacular_Insanity
Especially these days were, outside of Early Access, 1.0 isn't really 1.0, most games except of AAA releases are receiving 1.1 to even 4.0 updates so why would ANYONEW actually pay for an incomplete 1.0 if you can pay half for a 2.0 or 3.0 ESPECIALLY when we have MILLIONS of games already out there.
There's not enough time in our lifes to play all those games *g*
@@arioamin Epic 100% can by making it so that they reduce their split when a game goes on sale and by not requiring price matching across platforms. But unfortunately, they overplayed their hand during the Apple lawsuit.
I forgot about the Epic Games Store simply because its done nothing to really stand out from Steam. Only time I genuinely remembered it was over a year ago where a friend of mine signed up for the store and kept messaging me about what each game was that was for free in the store. Eventually, I asked him to stop telling me what games are free on Epic because I'm never getting their launcher. And he respectfully stopped.
Look on the bright side. At least you weren't giving them money!
I’ll admit I forgot they were still a thing. I don’t play PC games but I know steam is the go to for many PC gamers. And will remain the go to for the foreseeable future.
I have the epic games app primarily to log in and get a free game every so often, other than that I haven't used it for anything else
Ive had epic this whole time, and i havent wanted a single one of the free games theyve offered. And i havent bought anything because everything im interested in is on steam and usually cheaper than it would have been on epic ..
Bro is anti epic games consumer
On top of this, Steam is fairly pro-consumer with its lenient refund policy, its transparent and integrated user-reivew system, and its built-in community hubs and modding workshops.AND Steam is also extremely feature complete with an in-game overlay that I can actually confidently use, the previously mentioned modding and community hubs, groups, the community market, an easy to navigate library where you can easily move games, a well designed and sortable wishlist feature, and so much more. I can literally go on for hours on the features that steam has that we've taken for granted because EGS lacks. If they put as much money in developing their storefront as they did in marketing, then it might've been competitive now. What a joke...
I remember when they started buying exclusive indy games and people even then realized Epic was just trying to keep games out of steam instead of trying to build a catalog worth paying for
at least epic store has all the NFT abandonware games, an achievement steam could never have😂
Thank you for covering this! I’m baffled they still pay tens of millions of dollars to lock down games on their platform when it’s proven to be a failed business model. PC gamers just aren’t having it and not supporting Epic despite their shoehorned anti-consumer efforts to brute force themselves into the market.
The thing is it could have worked, IF they had a good store to go along with it. But, they didn't have a store to go WITH the exclusives, just the exclusives that people could wait out more often than not. But because the store and launcher are still shit, no one wants to buy stuff from there, and go only for the free games, or occasional exclusives. They were never going to keep money that way when Steam's whole plan is give people amazing value and let them come.
epic needs to create a console to do with exclusives@@wesleyfravel5149
@@wesleyfravel5149kinda crazy. The crapy UI has been the most common complaint I've seen since day one. For a company that has so much money to burn I'm surprised they haven't done anything about it yet. Steam isn't all that user friendly imo; it just does the bare minimum, so the bar is petty low.
How is this any different from what console makers do? EGS has a lot of issues but it’s hardly any more anti-consumer than Microsoft or Sony’s approaches
@@terribletimes902the difference is Xbox and PlayStation have been established brands for decades so they had time to build up their storefronts with features and updates that consumers enjoy and also they’re competing with each other which helps out the consumer
My brother and I each bought the Fortnite Founder Editions way back at the start, before the Epic Games store was really a thing.
The problem is, we were more interested in the "Save The World" PVE mode and when Epic made it clear they were going to focus on the PVP it kinda pissed us off because we felt like we weren't getting the game we paid for.
When Epic expanded into a full fledged platform/store, we were happy to take the free games they offer every week but to this day neither of us have ever put a single penny into the products on sale there.
Why would we, when we can never tell what game might come up free next?
I don't want to pay for a game and see it free a couple weeks down the road, so it's better to wait and see what comes through.
We cannot be the only ones who think this way. Their free game scheme has backfired.
Also, their store layout sucks, my games library lags hard whenever I try to look at it, it took them forever to implement achievements, any community functionality like customizable profile pages, etc. is nil... Epic just lacks the "It" factor needed to overtake Steam in any way.
They should have taken the money they invested in giving out free games and spent it on more comprehensive improvement of their platform and community building.
I was exactly the same when it came to helping fund Fortnite via the founder Edition. And I felt absolutely betrayed by them after they just.. dumped the game I had paid for in exchange for something I no interest in
I made epic account to play fortnite early 2018, now 2023 I still have 3 hours 25 minutes. Pubge I have 59 min on steam. LOL pvp is not my forte.
I'm not sure how long I've been following here, but I do want to say that I appreciate that I've been following both your content and your personal story long enough to see a video pop up observe the background and think "oh Yong is home for the holidays".
Keep on keeping on.
Epic tried to take on a defacto monopoly in Steam by acting in an anti-consumer way (while trying to be developer friendly) and not providing any incentive for customers to move to their platform. Nice try Epic, you still missed.
developer friendly? most devs who went to epic excluiveity looked like scammers who cant back thier word on a promice. EGS did nothing to help devs other than pay them upfront for going to epic, but many of those devs lost money in the long run because noone wants to support them on epic lmao
@@neock What you described is Epic being developer friendly lol. Paying devs upfront and taking less of a cut than Steam's 30% is exactly that, no matter how scummy it seemed to everyone else. Those devs losing out in the long run is just a consequence of the Epic Store just not being successful for the reasons I originally said.
@@MilkWasABadChoice17 That doesn't matter when the platform itself sucks and no one wants to use it. Epic wanted easy profit and easy PR without having to actually put in the work it takes to get there. Steam has been tweaked and perfected for almost 2 DECADES. Epic could have made their storefront feature complete but CHOSE not to, and they are failing as a result. Can they still succeed in the future? Maybe, but they have to change course RIGHT NOW and be feature complete and stop trying to coerce gamers into buying exclusives, and maybe in 10 years they might recover enough of their reputation to at least have a foothold.
But I doubt it. They're publicly owned, unlike Steam which is private. Epic is beholding to money-grubbing investors, whereas Steam can ALWAYS choose the consumer-friendly course that benefits users AND Steam.
"Trying" to be developer friendly. The only good thing for the developers is the better cut. I heard about a dev that had horrible experience EGS service. I don't remember if it was about a update or something else but he waste a big amount of time that he could used for improve or fix the game. After that he decided that it was better to work with steam that allow him to work with the game without time wasted on stuff not related to the game. All EGS can see it's only money and not features for both players and developers. The argument here is not longer about if steam 30% cut is worth the features they provide. It's about if EGS better cut worth the amount of extra effort you need to put in working with their store. Well, nowday it is basically an empty store but if half of money they wasted on buying esclusivity and allow free games was actually used for adding features for everyone, they wouldn't be on such bad situation.
The issue is throwing money at devs isnt truely dev friendly.
It actually turns devs against the players and reduces the quality of their products by giving them advanced pay.
For example if my teacger is gonna give me an A+ on my test before i even finish it, why the hell should I even try on it?
Epic gives these companies tons of money for exclusivity and the devs use that to say "ah we dont havr to keep maming it better we already got paid"
The only good thing I can say about EGS is I've never spent a cent on the storefront. All the games in my EGS library have been the weekly free ganes.
I thought you were talking about ESG for a second (the racist narrative pushed by anti-wokes when they see a black woman in video games).
The only free game i got on EGS is Dying Light, controller is malfunction while playing in EGS and i can’t find help cuz there is no Forum on EGS. Ended up bought the game on Steam the same day.
Have you ever used it?
@@Half-Vampire Same happened to me with Fallout NV, doesn't have mod support so i ended up buying it on steam
Hahaha ironically, Epic strategy ended up making Valve more money cuz of their horrible “Game Store”.
you mean to tell me that the store that made a huge deal about adding in a cart feature is unprofitable? I am truly shocked!
i think there current strategy could have been a success if they only started implementing it after making there store at least as good or better then steam
@@MyIndieGameDevJourney3818 IIRC The Epic store still doesn't have friend features like friend pages groups and private chats nor does it have the ability for you to make your own profile. Like how hard can it be to have features that other services offer?
If there's one thing I can commend Epig for is that them buying the timed exclusivity rights for all those games basically covered most of the costs the companies incurred during development. They removed a lot of uncertainty for the developers and made it great for the players when those games came to Steam at a nice discount
Epig lol. I heard they have 33% coupon for holiday season.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THAT FACT. A lot of us that hate Epic aren't blind Valve fanatics, we WELCOMED a true competitor because Valve was basically doing nothing. Christ, no new games, the Steam refresh beta came FIVE YEARS AFTER THE SUMMER IT WAS SUPPOSED TO RELEASE, so we were like, YES, FINALLY. However, Epic ended up being the villian in the end and the way they competed meant Valve's only realistic response would be to ignore them or also fight for exclusives, which I'm glad they didn't. That's why Epic failed. It gave us nothing of value and then was shameless in its greed think we'd care about its rattling solid gold cup and silken beggar's robes.
I like Valve, but if I were to be biased then I grew up with Epic more than I did with Valve and they were on a pretty nice track record with the new Unreal Tournament game. Then they smelled the kids' blood with Fortnite and they went all in with brute force and Tencent money.
Valve gave us Linux support, an amazing handheld, incredible VR among other things. Epic gave us....removing their games from Steam, buying Rocket League, adding their launcher, and removing it from Steam? Dumping AI sewage on Artstation? Buying Bandcamp, selling it, and let it be hollowed out? Free games tied to their trash launcher, I guess?
Valve pretty much championed Linux and made it a more viable system for gaming over the years. And thank fucking god they did that because more and more people are getting fed up with Microsoft's shit with Windows. So, I wouldn't say they did nothing.
@@RNorthex You forget that Epic is the creator of unreal engine the all iterations of UE has played a large part in the past 20 years of gamedevelopment. I have been waiting the public release o source 2 which valve put out an article about almost 10 years ago, yet they have still to release it as they promised in 2015, during that time I've seen hundreds of triple A games and indie games been created with epic games unreal 4 & 5.
Ignoring something this crucial while also at the same time nitpicking on issues you do not like is disingenuous at best.
Valve and Epic are bad in different ways, but valve has done very little the past 10 years to actually contribute to significantly to the market they serve, they have instead spent almost all of that time on internal R&D projects for game ideas they want to explore solely with their own games and the only good thing to come out of them the past years have been the SteamOS linux distro.
The amount of hate you have towards Epic Games without realizing how many great games would not even have had a chance to exist without their continued contributions to the industry from everything to the indie scene all up to the triple-A developers.
Now for some positives that you either didn't know about or are choosing to ignore to bolster your skewed arguments:
- Epic Games created UE and gives away free unreal engine related content packs each month
- Epic Games owns Megascans and give all its user the full library of 3d scans for free, work worth millions of dollars which is actively being added to
- Epic Games had Epic Megagrants running for almost a decade, giving away over 100 million USD with no strings attached to development teams in and outside UE ecosystem
- Epic Games created EOS and EAC for free for any developer , both have counterparts on Valve which are not free (Steamworks & VAC)
And now a non-exhaustive list of some iconic games from the past years which would not have existed without Unreal Engine and the multitude of gamedevelopment tools Epic Games have created for everyone to use for free, not only the teams that created the below games:
- Hogwarts Legacy
- Days Gone
- Hellblade
- Dishonored 1 & 2
- Stray
- PUBG
- Ark: Survival Evolved
- Sea Of Thieves
- Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order / Survivor
- Final Fantasy 7 Remake
@@arioamin and none of that is relevant to their store. Their store is still cancer.
They might be good or they were good once upon a time, but their store does not reflect that and you're in denial.
Never said it wasn't@@Wyzai But you didn't read what I was replying to it seems.. It was a general claim about Epic Games as a company
Maybe you should understand the full context of what you are replying to before replying
I've never used EGS on principle and never will. Its whole advertising schtick was exclusivity. It was aimed primarily at companies and developers looking to sell their product without paying as high a cut of the sales as on Steam.
Consumers were not only shafted but attacked for vocing their discontent with the predatory practices and lack of features on the store.
Competition is healthy for the market. But I WON'T use a shitty product just because it is not the mainstream one.
Yeah, Epic was built on shitting on the customers. What a bold strategy. :D
Exclusivity also is not competition. Epic decided to not compete with Steam, so what's left is competing with pirates. And my god I don't even WANT to pirate what's on the EGS.
Remember what they did to Unreal Tournament and the Unreal community?
I remember... >_>
Google does allow other stores. Epic's contention is that the warning about using other stores and installing apk outside the Google App Store are inherently dangerous and they aren't wrong.
Valve even updates a game that is 25 years old, just shows they really care a lot about their products, services, and gamers
While Epic delists the franchise that put them on the map in the first place. RIP Unreal.
You mean they still sell 20 year old games at 75%? Lol just give the games for free, no one wants to play them anyway.
I have a high end gaming PC I built during the pandemic. It handles everything flawlessly except for launching the Epic Game Store. Something about it makes it sound like a plane taking off.
After that experience, I haven’t gone back.
steam was like that around 7 years ago or so. pc practically freeze up whenever there's some big update from games
@@lehoangminhso that excuses epic how?
@@lehoangminh
And they cant compete with 7 years old launcher in 2023? When they literally own a giant powerful engine called Unreal Engine?
Ain't no fucking way they cant make a launcher better and easier to use than Steam. Fucking brain dead comment thinking 7 years did something.
Just fucking copy steam style or their program structures. Even microsoft edge and other browsers copied Chrome. Its not fuckin hard to follow industry standard
@@sgtsnokeem1139 not an excuse, it just pathetic how something been solved years ago and now Epic still playing catch up game
@@lehoangminh well they tried the whole "we're new and this is hard...." excuse and thankfully few people let them have that lol
8:55 this is pretty much the reason i never use EPIC store. They tried to pull a fast one on the player base, hoping that we were all too stupid to notice what they were really saying.
As devs have pointed out, better revenue split on Epic Game Store doesn't mean much when there are no customers on it. You make a lot more money on Steam with a lower revenue split because of its huge community and user base.
Really? Pubge has 502,374 players monthly on steam, total 301 million monthly in pubgee. So can you double check this online? Because thats a very small playerbase playing on steam platform.
Gabe Newell talked a long time ago about piracy and called it a "service problem," saying that producers simply had to create a better product than what's being received from pirates. I feel like that's exactly what Valve has done with Steam and continues to do, and the result extends even past piracy. Steam is quite simply the best storefront-type product for PC gaming, and created a majority group that will defend that sovereignty because of how pro-consumer Valve is among other things.
While there are many reasons that the Epic Games Store hasn't made a profit (Bigger market on Steam, lack of features, etc.), I think the whole exclusives debacle back in 2019 really shot the store in the foot long term.
Sure they made some short terms profits and gains in the market, but I think it soured their reputation to the point where many devs simply didn't want the backlash from going exclusive on the Epic Games Store and consumers didn't want to use a storefront that had such negative backlash.
I will rather wait 1 year for the "epic exclusive" to end and the game coming to STEAM, than I would even think of buying anything on EGS.
@@mikkelnpeterseni wish Kingdom Hearts exclusivity with Epic only lasted 1 year
@@speed3414 Kinda comical, cause I've barely heard anything about anything that game releasing on PC, when it came out, only heard about it like 8 months AFTER. I think Square-Enix regretted doing exclusive shits now, since their company is in shambles due to its higher-ups are very incompetent, and want short-term gain, rather that long term growth. Exclusivity isn't just worth it. I think that Square noticed this now, after 5 YEARS.
@@mikkelnpetersen Almost all Epic exclusives I never even played when they finally came to Steam. By that time my interest for the game has died, and I was onwards and upwards towards newer, better games. All the devs who sold out to Epic did was hurt their own reputation and guarantee that their future game releases on Steam have stunted growth.
Personally, I boycotted them out of pure spite. Usually gaming boycotts don't work, but Epic pissed off enough people in PC gaming that they were never going to be able to be profitable.
@@mikkelnpetersenyeah...timed exclusivity isn't a good strategy imo considering gamers aren't lacking in games to play....and gamers with purchasing power to play, that is working class are too busy too play too many games anyway.
I have never spent a single dime on Epic, my entire library is weekly free games.
I don’t understand why giving games for free is a good strategy. What they did is basically giving us free demo to test the game and then buy it on Steam. lol
@@Half-Vampire Because that's Timmy Tencent's Galaxybrain in the works.
@@Half-Vampire LMFAO. I never thought about it that way, but you're absolutely right.
How did the store front that doesn't show user reviews or let you blacklist crypto, nft and porn games from your front page not turn a profit? How could this have happened?
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Steam started on a foundation as part of a loved game developer with Valve, back when the gaming community was much smaller. Epic came out of nowhere and the average gamer doesn't even known Epic made Unreal.
and they didn't even make the Unreal games by themselves. They were co-developed by Digital Extremes, developers of Warframe. It's important to remind people of that fact.
@@ScorpDKgood to know that Tim Sweeney isn't THE man that made Unreal Tournament.
@@LocksleyNg That does explain why you can't even buy the old Unreal Tournaments anymore.
I just want Left 4 Dead 3
@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger We got L4D3 it was just called Back 4 Blood and it sucked
I consider the Epic Game Store a paid test area where people can spend money to test games and once it completed it will be released on Steam.
That's absolutely genius.
Except that because review system is nonexistent you get the most barebones “test area” so not even that is good
@@user-kz6jp9kl4lI think they are meaning more like a paid beta test for developer benefit. Test it with a limited customer base while getting paid - a higher-paid form of Steam's "early access" program.
Epic allows crypto games while Steam banned them. That’s all the reason I needed to never give Epic my money.
I open up Epic once in a while, check the free games, close it. That is literally it.
The Epic Store was never about being profitable. It was about trying to choke Steam out. That was the goal from day 1. They said as much when they started throwing around Fortnite money at all of the developers for exclusivity.
This is the truth here. It was never about competing with Steam, it was about finally getting rid of the lower prices and better options PC players have. Mobile and console games are controlled economies where they have all the power. The goal was to make Epic part of that exclusive list of economy controller.
they just admitted it that it wasnt profitable...
Honestly I just feel like Epic have some old grudge against Valve. It's like when some nerdy guy gets super rich but still can't get over that one guy in high-school who everyone liked way more than him.
That is just the first phase, don't we all forget that. They eventually want to become a more proper (relatively speaking) Steam competition and when it gets to that phase, all these free games will stop. Once it gets to the next phase, the free games will stop and I am guessing they will try to get whole publishers to sign exclusivity deals instead of just one game each time. I doubt they can choke out Valve unless Valve do something suicidal.
@@Kingstalk I forget when, but Epic Games admitted that the store wouldn't be profitable until 2027. But even then, I have my doubts. That assumes many people would actually use the store by then.
Some games I waited a year to play just I could buy them on Steam. Every time I yearned to play these games I put my mind at ease by thinking Epic would suffer from my resolve.
Some games I told myself I would buy on Steam when their exclusivity ended, and then I forgot about them and never purchased them at all.
Some releases were fire though. Metro, Satisfactory. Worth the gnashing of teeth. They were even cheaper because of this. So sweet.
Borderlands 3 omg how could I forget
@@Knowbody42 Same.
@poelmeister Yep. I bought Metro HEAVILY discounted. I think it was like 70% off when I bought it. Shame for the devs because I would have been willing to pay full price if it had released on Steam Day One.
That was me with FF7 Remake. And I'm still patiently waiting for Steam to get the Kingdom Hearts series.
I don't get why they believed offering free games for 5 years straight was a good idea. Its effectively bleeding money at that point. I get like.. maybe offering a free game or two every few months in order to entice people to use the app towards the beginning, but doing it for five whole years is insane to me.
They also had this coming by not actually living up to the standards which people held steam at. By not having things like user reviews or a cart at launch.
Steam is too awesome. There is no stopping Valve. Not only can no store on PC top them, I wouldn't be surprised to see them get bigger than Xbox or Playstation at some point because of the awesome way they do business.
You forgot the Tencent link and the user data hubbub. Epic would look in places it wasn’t supposed to and would upload a little too much to the ‘overlord’ servers.
an important point
True, yet it seems most people forgot about that or didn't care, as is proven by the amount of comments stating they have an account to grab the free games. I didn't even make an account for this exact reason.
I still remember that exclusivity stuff they were trying to pull and never tried their platform. Heck I don't even play the games that had temporary exclusivity to epic games.
On the bright side those games are beta tested before coming to steam
And this is responsible decision. There is no point in supporting those who side with your enemy.
In my eyes, the biggest problem is that the Epic store is really just an alternative to the Steam store but NOT the Steam community. There are no real review or rating features in the Epic Launcher, no forums or modding community, customization options, etc.
Hell, even the friendlist is unfriendly to look at compared to steams individuality.
The fact that very little stick around even after trying it from the free games just show that the platform itself is half back, if it was decent people would stick around and use it more.
I was not keen on supporting the Epic Games Store’s business strategy of exclusivity deals, and so I’ve never signed up for it.
It would seem that a lot of other people weren’t interested in using the platform either, judging by this report.
Yup, same here.
Same here, I don't take bribes, make something worthy of using or I don't use it, simple as that.
No exclusivity on my fucking PC. Not one cent, not even a free download from me if you try to do that shit.
More that they paid up for a LOT of exclusivity and free games, but nobody was BUYING games from them.
Same here, never used + installed Epic since I dont need it. Steam on the other hand has a community and content outside just launching a game which I use
The main issue with epic is simply Steam is way more usable, user friendly and is just generally better for the average user with tech like steam link and steam VR. I think epic could bring back some market share if developers made their games cheaper relative to the cut they give to Epic for selling on their store, but that’s up to developers. Plus most devs feel justified giving Valve 30% of a cut simply due to the user experience making their games endlessly more accessible.
I heard there were Epic exclusive games that were using Steam Forums to respond to customer feedback. It's a joke all around.
Steam is a community, Epic is a store.
Shrimple as that...
I'm surprised that the Epic Games Store still exists.
Well how the kids gonna play Fortnite?
I got the evil within games and the whole Borderlands franchise for free cause of epic's weekly free games.
@@thahirshibu5042both games that REGULARLY go on sale for $5 or less on Steam. that isnt gonna convert anyone
exist because they still get a crapton of money from fortnite, and the ceo prefers to fire people than stop with his wet dream of topple steam with a halfassed shop plataform
tho gonna admit, its strategy "works" when it is related to draw people to the platform, not so much in matters of getting people spend their money 🤣 since they allow people to get games for free paid by the epic store itself, so no wonder its still not profitable, people simply is draining watever they could earn thro those free games
@@thahirshibu5042but have you played them yet? When the store eventually shuts down, you won't own them anymore.
Epic is so obsessed with being Bizarro Steam that they forgot to include "actually succeed" onto their agenda.
Steam doesn't care about exclusives -> Epic literally poached games from them as exclusives
Steam doesn't allow crypto/NFT -> Epic embraces them
Steam left it's flagship titles to rot (TF2/Half-life) -> Epic keep updating Fortnite (okay, this one is an Epic W, I'll give them that)
Steam has user reviews and communities -> Epic refuses
Steam Sales are almost worldwide holidays -> who even remembers last Epic Sale, if they even have them
Steam is very comfortable to use -> Epic is garbage
Steam free games are rare exceptions -> Epic free games is literally all they are good for
I hold no sympathy for Tim Sweeney or Epic game store, I wish other employes a better job so they can abandon this sinking ship.
Tbf, Valve did push a 25th anniversary update to the original Half Life that adds some pretty cool stuff
Valve's flagship titles are Dota 2 and CS, not TF2. Dota got huge update changing pretty much the whole gameplay and is receiving constant balance patches. CS got Source 2 treatment and is also receiving constant updates, with lots of content planned to add in the future. Not to mention Valve is investing heavily into its ecosystem, which is Steam Deck. And Half-Life got 25th anniversary update too.
"Epic keep updating Fortnite (okay, this one is an Epic W, I'll give them that)"
Actually, Epic fucked the Unreal community when they pulled ALL Unreal games off ALL digital storefronts. On Christmas. Unreal Tournament is one of the absolute greatest games ever made with zero exaggeration. And Epic took a shit all over it. Who gives a fuck about their Fortnite Daycare Center?
If Half-Life is Valve's flagship title, then Unreal is Epic's - which they have delisted and abandoned.
Of course they regularly update Fortnite, it is basically their only source of income aside from their revenue from licensing Unreal Engine. On the other hand, while Team Fortress 2 doesn't get new content that often, Valve do a lot to keep the game running, there were six patches in october alone
Personally, I have no intentions of ever switching to EGS for the simple fact they allow garbage like blockchain/NFT games to run rampant. Even being remotely supportive of garbage like that basically makes me say 'Yeah, I don't want anything to do with you if you think that's a good basket to chuck your eggs in.' It's pretty obvious that they're just chasing maximum profits with decisions like that, so I can't trust them to offer a compelling product should they receive a majority market share.
Way too few/no people brings up the fact that Epic silently ditched their entire roadmap for the client too. Remember how it was promised that they'd be a full featured client with more features than Steam YEARS ago? Then silently scrubbed the entire roadmap, and no one seems to remember...
Half Life 1 is free on Steam today, well worth picking up if you have not played it
Still hate it 🤨 i only owned it back in the day so i could play Counter Strike.
Personally I have avoided epic like the plague because of their aggressive business practices. I don't even have an account for their free games
The Epic Games Store is trash! Epic lost my entire Games library that I had been collecting for almost 3 years. When I contacted them and asked for help, they asked for the receipt info for all of the Games I lost. I never thought to save my receipts in a separate folder, so all of my emails have since been deleted. Since I had no receipts, Epic told me to kick rocks. I had the founder's edition of Fortnite and a long time customer. This is what they thought of me and couldn't be bothered to even look at my account even a few months earlier. At the very least, just use this as a reminder to save all your receipts to cover your Games. Obviously, I dispise Epic Games for their complete and utter lack of helpfulness and can only hope they flame out of existence.
I think the biggest issue is just the lack of games. Personally, epic rarely has games I want to get except the 1 or 2 timed exclusives. So I just look to steam by default and eventually forget about Epic until another exclusive is released. That and a lack of features and accessibility for games. The worst part is I have actually forgotten about the Epic store for months at a time.
On top of waiting to play Borderlands 3 after its exclusivity on Epic, which was years, I finally played the game on Steam only to discover an overtuned drop system where legendery items were dropping every 15 seconds: I think I happened to pick it up during some drop-event, but I would have never gotten that experience playing at release. It seemed to be tuned to players who had gotten bored of the base game already.
"You just have to be better than Steam" - agree this is the way! Not easy to overthrow Steam, but the current strategy of giving away free games is not working for Epic - gamers are not going to buy games on Epic if the platform sucks.
I'm surprised yongyea didn't mention the controversy about epic games allegedly going through your PC files and looking through your Steam data and other stuff. Just another nail in the coffin right on launch. It's as if Epic Games Store had its PR team paid by Steam.
Proud to say I never even downloaded it in all this time, not even for exclusives or the freebies that I already had in my library on Steam. I have an extreme amount of spite for corporations but I especially hate the ones that do nothing to advance the industry they're in, or actively make it worse
Edit: The last part is referring to the storefront only, it definitely doesn't apply to Unreal Engine, UE is cool
Whaaaat that’s crazy. It’s almost like using all your funding to buy exclusives instead adding value to your program *doesn’t add value.*
To be fair, Steam has also spent very little adding value to their program
What have they added in the last 5 years? emojis you can buy with points? I mean I GUESS thats what people want, but Steam is really not all that great. ITs the best option, but its not great.
@@Dre2Dee2 yeah but the difference is Steam doesn’t need to add value because they already have more than anyone else. Social system, community systems including screenshot sharing and workshop. Steam already added basically everything you could need from a program like that, what else COULD they add?
@@Dre2Dee2 "What have they done to add value? I mean aside from that thing that added value but COME ON it's not REALLY that great!"
Also acting like the Steam Deck doesn't exist and hasn't foundationally changed the portability side of the industry, permanently, or do you think that all of the backend that supports that side of the ecosystem just manifested overnight? Not to mention the VR support improvements, the entire rework of the tagging system that happened a couple of years ago and the upcoming updates that if they go to live will basically let the entire community run custom store pages/genre tags. Then there was the revamp to the discovery queue in 2022. The massive update to controller support for Big Picture and Desktop Experience that happened earlier this year. Oh, and they just announced earlier this month that true privacy account options are being added like hiding playtime or certain titles from whoever you choose.
Steam quite literally adds value to their platform annually. Just because you personally don't use any of it doesn't mean improvements aren't happening.
@@Exotac I've also heard Linux users praising Steam for their work in Linux compatibility. I'm considering switching to Linux before Windows 11, so that is good to hear.
On Steam Deck, users can use Heroic games launcher but if Epic just made a little effort, making a simple Linux launcher distributed as a Flatpak, people could install it from the deck store with a click, add a link in game mode (they could make it automatic, it's easy). They could even use Proton from Steam. No work needed. Valve is NOT trying to put barriers anywhere.This is an Open device.
You know, what's even more funny? Their launcher works with no problems on even bare bones version of Wine, which means they're pulling CEF's Linux extensions during compiling stage. So their launcher is ready to release on Linux already, it's just enough to add several Proton-specific options, some launch commands, done.
And of course they won't do it. Releasing Linux native means they're relying on Proton... which is Valve's software. No matter it's open source. It's enough it's released by their "worst enemies on gaming market". And Timmy is too proud to admit it.
@@Calslock lol reminds me when he changed his mind about W11 on twitter because we started to tell him he could help Linux like Valve, so we get rid of this nonsense. His next tweet was the exact opposite of the first one. Like a politician ! Like Emmanuel Macro who said video games bring violence blabla but some days later, after his counselor told him it was a huge industry in France, said how much he loves it ! 🤣
@@JauStudioFR Oh yeah, I remember his reaction to the short film on what can you do with Linux desktop😆WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THIS??! 😂
5 years, still no comments section for buyers to review the game.
...at this point, the sheer amount of failure is just plain impressive!
Well Epic did make an inferior store despite having a great example of how it is done and many examples of how not to do it. I stayed away from the Epic Store out of spite for everything aside from Alan Wake 2 because I was just too eager to play it after waiting 13 years, even then I played it via GOG Galaxy, something I like much much more than than Epic and any other launcher/store.
GOG is the only store platform i feel secure in buying into other than Steam. it blows my mind that any of these other storefronts are still online. I figured there was no way these other stores were making any money, and I guess EGS just proved that correct
Best part about the gog galaxy launcher is you don't even need it!
You can install and run games without it.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
Maybe Epic would be singing a different tune if they focused on making the storefront/launcher actually competitive over trying to bribe their way to the top with exclusivity deals that got shadier and shadier.
They banked on giving customers the shaft, and it worked as well as you'd think. Surprising that Customers don't like getting screwed over.
Over the past two years, I haven't really been on any game store that much. I've been digging into my already existing libraries The only time I even remembered that epic game store was a thing was when the new tiny Tina game released on it early and I was forced to wait to play one of my favorite franchises. Although I'm kind of thankful because after I saw some of the gameplay and reviews. I realized it wasn't really what I wanted anyway
You can't even watch the trailers for games as the store(or possibly just the app) does constant forced refreshes which start the trailers from the beginning and also force the store to the the front of your screen, whether you want to look at it or not.
Well if they would make it better and not a laggy mess and actually give it good features like people have been asking for years then it wouldn’t be so bad, I basically only use it for Fortnite or rocket league and free games, that’s it
I take the free games on Epic Game Store, but even when they give them to me, if I find them on Steam for cheap, I usually get them again. All of my friends are on Steam and I feel like it's a community there. When I play on the Epic Game Store, I feel so isolated. I don't know if it makes sense. I just feel like playing on Steam is more "fun" but I can't really explain why.
I got that same feeling. My friends are on Steam, it got Forums there, Guides, Groups and Profiles. Also prefer to keep all my games on my Steam Library. EGS felt so barren, so unfinished, so barebones that even the only game i got there for free, Dying Light, refused to run properly.
i have no friends and i still dont go to epic
8:00 I'm not surprised this hasn't panned out. I have an 80+ library of games on EPIC & I got all of them for free, from EPIC. It is customer friendly, and allows a lot of people to won games they wouldn't normally be able to own (or think of owning) otherwise, so it's quite nice & i appreciate it a lot as i don't have disposable money to buy a lot of games. That being said, it doesn't incentivize me to want to buy any games, especially from them (since Steam tends to have better sales) so tldr; i'm not surprised all this is not pocketbook friendly...
80? only? me I have 300 exactly atm & btw haven't played any of those ever although there is around 10-15 in all those games that I would like to play at some point if I ever find the time :P
@@SABER_Knight-King And i thought i had a lot! Clearly i have been outmatched XD
One thing often gets omitted from the discussion about EGS. When EGS was launching one of their selling points they marketed was that EGS will be taking a smaller price cut from the publishers. People intuitively understood this as having lower price on EGS, which would indeed compete with Steam. That, however, did not happen, and the prices on both store fronts are the same.
Why would anyone have thought that would be the case?
Lower cut from the publishers would just mean that the publishers earn more per sale. No one with a functioning brain would EVER have thought that the publishers would not take home more pay.
Steams alternate controller custom remapping is light years beyond Epic and that's just one feature.
Epic Games Store: I’m your great and worthy opponent
Steam: But it can't be. Not this pitiful, spineless, pasty, bloated codfish I see before me.
Yikes. That was unexpected. I knew they weren't quite equal with Steam yet but I figured they were building toward that. That they 're still no profitable is baffling.
But if u websearch Epicgames net worth its 32 billion usd, Steam only 10 billion usd. Is steam really bigger?
The Steam competitor already exists in the form of GOG, imo. EGS on the other hand is still a dumpster fire of a store. By now I even have uninstalled this sh*t and don't care for the free games anymore.
People only use Epic games store becose of the free games
I forgot Epic games had a store...........
Epic Games: Google won't allow Epic Launcher on their phones.
Also Epic Games: Your games aren't allowed on any launcher
I wait until the games release on Steam. I would not mind buying on Epic if they had a good platform and if they didn't want to bring exclusivity as a concept to PC gaming. the reasonning of your take is on point for me.
Things I like from Epic: Unreal Engine & Unreal tournament,
Things I don't like from Epic: Fortnite, Easy Anti-Cheat & the game store.
This store is no longer a business, it's a hobby.
The modern CEO strategy. Give em some cheap shit but never ever do something consumer friendly.
Yeah, what you said is my situation exactly. Epic trying to force me to use their store to get access to games early just made me go "nah, im good, i can wait and get the games cheaper when they are done on Epic" Trying to force me to do anything will just make me go "nope" 😂
You do realize Epicgames also discount the games from time to time, and give coupons? Steam is not exactly a saint.
how has it been 5 years already
Almost as old as you huh
This... does put a smile on my face.
Is this the chode that ruinined kiryu
I... completely forgot Epic Gamestore existed, thanks for reminding me Yong 😂
As many found out, exclusivity doesn't mean much if there is no exposure for any of said exclusives on their storefront. There were so many cases of "Wait, that came out?" or "How have I never heard of this before?" or "Wait, there was a PC port stuck on EGS?". Indies and big companies were both affected by this. The only positive of this I can think of was that it was also true of the crypto-junk they allowed.
I remember games that were kick started and advertised as being available on Steam, that then were scooped up with Epic Exclusivity deals. That is a fuck you from Epic, but also from the game devs. I'm glad that consumer awareness punished such behavior, instead of having it become the new normal.
All that Fortnite money and nothing to show. How amusing.
The epic games store isn’t the only place for fortnite as it’s in mobile*, xbox ,playstation, and nintendo switch
@staringcorgi6475 and yet they could've used some of it to make a better game store. So far they haven't.
i had an account there years ago and i got emails constantly about attempted logins from other countries and i just canceled it which was also hard and annoying to do, it was at that point i said i would never use it.
Who knew wasting money on exclusivity deals instead of adding features to your platform would resut in loss of revenue??
Its almost like after 5 years the platform has only added a shopping cart. Still no review tab, no community, no profiles, no nothing.
Its not even a platform its a glorified sorefront and nothing more