Arizona 1864 abortion law: ‘Pregnant women face a harsh new reality’
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- Doctors in 1864 did not yet understand basic medical hygiene protocols and even the basics of reproduction on a cellular level were still being sorted out. But now Arizona women have to live under abortion restrictions that were passed at that time.
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AZ so-called supreme court should be removed today.
The Republicans who appointed them.
People keep voting against their best interests.
Along with the SCOTUS!
@cecilroberts1648 Tells you what the majority think.
Guess your the minority and always have been .
Complete illussion
Why? They didn't do the marxist thing and legislate from the bench? They did their job.
The AZ legislators must now do their job.
I feel like we're all in a remake of The Truman Show, and all of the outrageous, horrible, unbelievable, and maddening events that have occurred since 2016 are just storylines for the entertainment of the viewers. There's no way this crap is real life.
Sadly, it’s real. It’s scary as hec
More like idiocracy mixed with 1984.
It is scary as hec when people want to murder their own children.
That’s exactly how many people feel over this nonsense.
A result of not voting for Hilary in 2016.
Man America is weird,desperate and sad. Going backwards like Afghanistan. If these states only focused on , poverty, healthcare and unaffordable housing.
We did focus on thise things. We very purposely made thise issues worse.
Please get it straight. It's conservatives, xtian nutters, Republicans, and neoFacists who are doing this.
They say that great minds think alike.
Too much stupidity here.
How about education.
Turn America Blue in 24, go out and Vote. Remove these Maga Judges along with the GOP Insurrectionists in the House and Senat. Give women their Rights back.
Democrats have given us double digit inflation, 2 wars, and 10 million illegal immigrants in just 3 years. If we vote for them they'll give us more of the same.
Only women should have rights!
Men still need to sign up for selective service though.
😂 voting blue is stupid stay in your state.
@@dmanletsgoIn 2012, FL GOP put forth an abortion ban as a ballot initiative. The ballot failed spectacularly & Obama won FL. Guess what will happen in AZ & FL in November!
The economy, war, and the border are the top 3 issues to voters right now. Abortion is something like 48th
February 15, 2011
South Dakota Moved To Legalize Killing Abortion Providers bill House bill 1171 would make preventing harm to a fetus a “justifiable homicide” in many cases. The bill failed ..
Yeah that’s insane they should have just outlawed it if they didn’t want it in South Dakota, though at that time Roe v. Wade was in effect so they couldn’t. I guess it just shows how far people are willing to go to try to save people who haven’t been birthed yet, I don’t think good ends justify bad means though so yeah good thing Roe v. Wade was overturned so states can decide for themselves the laws for their state and people aren’t trying to pass a law where you can legally murder someone of a particular profession. Although at least they are being ideologically consistent in their view because they see abortion as legal murder so they wanted to make it legal to murder legal murders. Still is egregious though to make that bill. Thank God for the overturning of Roe v. Wade so states can decide for themselves and violence from both sides is minimized and some resemblance of peace can be had. Thats good governance in a nation that hasn’t had much good governance lately.
As usual, it is so disingenuous for trump to say 'let the people decide' in one breath, while it is courts, judges, & a handful of mostly male Legislators in the other. That's hardly representative of "The People!"
What do you have against men, bigot?
As usual when something you don’t like happens you want trump to save you not the president but trump also your comment shows the extreme lack of accountability you are use to
How can this even be considered? Basically going back so far to strip women... Are they insane?
Yes .
Well, on a more positive note, at least prostitution was legal in 1864.
This post shows that we need to focus on education
Do you know when the constitution was ratified?
This will turn Arizona blue! Women have had enough! 💙
LOL nobody cares.
Think about what you just wished for.
VOTE MAGA OUT !!!💙🖖
YES we have had ENOUGH ! MAGA IS HISTORY ! 💙🖖
@@stoopidpursun8140 dear @stoopid your name fits you well !💙🖖
Arizona should change it's nickname from the Grand Canyon State, to the Grand Inquisitors State.
Each state has some old laws that haven't even been used.
Biden spent Easter celebrating the transgender community I think that pretty much says it all. God bless President Trump!
Poor Charles has to wrap it up in Arizona now
Just remember that the bloodiest wars were all in the name of their magical skydaddy.
@@lynnrunningdeer7364Where were you when Abolishionist men who were mostly practicing Christians, lit the fuse of civil war and fought to end slavery in the US. When have you anted up to fight for life and liberty? When have you stood up for those who cannot defend themselves? Where were you when Dr. King and the men and women of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference were battered on the Edmund Pettis Bridge? What have you given?
I suspect women in 1864 knew how to use knitting needles. Really, we're going to uphold a 160 yr law. Insane. Vote Maga out.
I'm sure they did but, they didn't know about disinfecting them BEFORE they inserted them. Germs were for the most part unknown at that time.
@@judithwake2757 my point exactly. Incredibly risky.
Everything that MSNBC says is a lie and you people fall for it so easy.
If they're going to use an 1864 abortion ban, they should have to use 1864-level medical knowledge to determine when a person is pregnant!
They had no pregnancy tests at that time, no ultrasound, and no way to hear a fetal heartbeat. Because of many factors like poor diet or the medicines they took such as mercury and lead, period timing was unpredictable. The only reliable measure of pregnancy was "quickening," when the baby can be felt moving. This usually happens at 16 to 20 weeks.
@@judithwake2757Most people didn't know about what Pasteur and Lister learned about germs.
Most people had no idea what caused disease back them.
If they're going to use an 1864 abortion ban, they should have to use 1864-level medical knowledge to determine when a person is pregnant!
They had no pregnancy tests at that time, no ultrasound, and no way to hear a fetal heartbeat. Because of many factors like poor diet or the medicines they took such as mercury and lead, period timing was unpredictable. The only reliable measure of pregnancy was "quickening," when the baby can be felt moving. This usually happens at 16 to 20 weeks.
You are an intelligent voice in this Wilderness of Despair thank you for commenting😅
Watching Republicans reacting to this ruling is pathetic. Haven't seen such mad scrambling since Rose climbed onto that door in Titanic.
HANDMAID’S TALE! Thoughts and prayers go out to the women in Arizona. They NOW have the same rights as women had there in 1864! 😬
What do abortion laws have to do with women? They affect men just as equally.
this is a slanted piece of propaganda - can't you see that - the left wants you mad and angry and emotional so you side with their big government agenda and don't think for yourself
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What's so hard to believe or think the same AZ fought to maintain slavery was and still is equally opposed to equal Constitutional rights, civil liberties, and justice for ALL Americans- even in Arizona. 😮
I thought States can decide their own laws
I am not aware of any legal requirement for women to register for selective service.
AZ wasn't a state until 1912. How did it fight to maintain slavery?
@@aishabintabubakr4944lll
@@aishabintabubakr4944wasn't a state then, just a territory :)
Saw this on TV last night… been waiting for this clip so I could post and share. Thank you for prompt sharing! 🌷
Thanks for your awareness Alex, great report! 👍
Her "to put this into context" approach was perfect 👌🏾
And its not even enough really, just to tell Arizonans 2B sure & elect a Dem Gov & AG; & vote out those 'Justices' - they must ALSO, re-elect Biden, & give him a DEM Senate AND House. We must leave NO STONE unturned in order to best secure a Woman to maintain her bodily Agency, not just in AZ even, but Nationally!
Men don't realize pregnancy is not simple.
You white women don't realize black folks are owed reparations.
They don't care.
That's BS ladies don't blame men for this blame the voters who voted for those looney tunes women for trump remember that
The same can be said for some women unfortunately
Women for Trump remember them ? Don't blame us men for the crap y'all voted for
The court should have left the 2022 law in pkace pending the decision the voters make on election day.
Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.
Yes, and that’s why overturning Roe has had such a devastating effect on the country, because now there is no federal law that can protect women from forced-birthers enacting draconian laws like this, where a woman can’t even have surgery to remove a completely nonviable embryo from her uterus. Something that has zero chance of becoming a baby. Now she has to wait until she becomes septic and is about to die (“to save the life of the mother”) until a doctor can perform a D&C procedure aka an abortion. If it’s too late, and that woman dies anyway from sepsis and can’t take care of her other children who have already been born, or has such damage from septic shock that she is infertile, loses her limbs from infection, or myriad other horrific complications from letting an infection run rampant in a persons body, than that’s what has to happen. Laws like this don’t take into account all the nuances that can happen when a woman becomes pregnant. And doctors aren’t given the latitude because of the way the law is written to make the decisions that are needed on a minute by minute basis.
Blame the dems for not passing a federal law the past 50 years. It isn’t a complicated situation
Pretty sure it's also illegal for women to wear pants in Az, skirts only!
But like many laws, enforcement has fallen by the wayside. And they (the lawmakers) don't bother to take the time to strike the law from the books because it seems like a waste of time. Until stuff like this happens
Fury is The correct response from women and men Who love us.😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
You COULD just keep your legs closed or use protection
@@debbylou5729we're not talking about abortion as birth control. Educate your ignorant self.
@@debbylou5729okay bot or comrade whoever you are anti-American and anti-freedom
@debbylou5729 you COULD just make the MEN hold up their own Responsibility, cuz women can't always overpower a man's desire.
When this law was enacted, it would still be another five years before the Transcontinental Railroad was completed and somebody could take a train/s between the East & West Coasts. Back then people travelled by Stagecoaches and nowadays, we think nothing about flying across continents & oceans in hours. Heck, it would be another 18 years before Thomas Edison out open the Pearl Street Station, the first centralised, commercial Power Plant, in lower Manhattan.
This is actually what Big Government control means in Practice.
Governments job is to protect life and liberty, this is not big Government just because you want murder to be legal out of convenience.
@@drakebrown762 I take it you support gun control and oppose the death penalty? You are, after all, pro-life.
I support small government. Just small enough to fit into your bedroom.
This is local..
@@drakebrown762 Is it wise to empower the government to force any free citizen to put their health in medical risk for an extended period of time without that citizens consent?
My nephews in AZ are about to turn 18 and they don't know where their local posse is located. How do we find one so they can avoid being arrested or charged? Guess it's time to start calling the governor to find out.
When was the constitution ratified?
I knew what a shoat was, cuz i read grapes of wrath. 😊
Stop adding to karma AZ! Listen to the women!! The governor and the attorney general 🌚
Not if they find another olde law still on the books disenfranchising them! And you know they are combing through history trying to find one.
All women aren’t with you. Some of us know that a baby isn’t a clump of cells
❤ 👍
Im proud of Arizona
Yes, Arizona is Aweaome. Save the innocent babies.
Ridiculous!
Whats wrong with with 18 yo to help and aid in stopping criminal activity. How freaking cool is that. Whats also wrong with the other law on defacing branding on someone elses property.
Arizona 304s are in shock. 😮
They're never going to stop, And neither will we. Vote D to go forward not R to go backwards 🇺🇲🌊🌊🌊🇺🇲
Red wave coming
Howdy partner. Looking mighty fine this evening. I see you later in the saloon.
Show me your photo you sound hot for some reason
Arizona leader has lost her mind.
i like the part where this for 10 year olds because they was legal.
@diegojines Is English your native language? Your comment doesn't make sense.
There is a reason these laws are our PAST. Like Trump and MAGA thats where they belong. KEEP OPPRESSION THERE VOTE BLUE.
Nope, always vote Republican no matter what after my son was born I became against abortion ever since and same with my wife. She basically said she will sacrifice her life for our kids.
@@Warhead_235Go ahead. My father, sister, nieces, & I will vote for reproductive rights & the Democrats. We’ll see what happens in November.
*Courage* & *integrity* are the character values required for these times. *We can DO this. We WILL do this!!* VOTE *BLUE* all up & down the ballot!
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@@belladonnatook8851 vote for Democrats, who also want to take away guns such as commonly owned rifles and magazines. No, I’ll continue to vote Republican all the way I will always vote for constitutional Republic.
Humans didn't discover flight until 1905
It ise not just anti abortion, it is anti woman
It’s so interesting how all the progressives have so much clarity on what a woman is all of a sudden.
If you want to get rid of ancient laws that no longer make any sense in today's world, how about at least modifying the Second Amendment? You know, the one that was passed in 1791, 233 years ago?
1791. When the best available firearm was a Musket. An un-rifled, smooth bored, barrel loading Musket with an effective range of only 50 yards and a rate of fire, in experienced hands, of just 3 rounds per minute. Not a Semi-automatic with an effective range of about 600 yards and a rate of fire of 45+ rounds per minute. Or even more if the Shooter can pull the trigger faster. Or a powerful handgun that can be concealed in a pocket or a belt loop.
Just a thought. 🤔
Don't forget, grenades and rockets were also in use back then.
Cannons, mortars and the pickle gun.
We should also let people own rifle, as well as breach loaders.
All of which existed back then.
We should require that gun owners be members of a well-trained militia available to protect their state and state government at need. Sort of like a volunteer guard that trains in case there’s some kind of emergency. Yeah, each state could have its own Guard. Since there’s already lots of cops, they should also be training to act as rescuers and first responders for non-shooting emergencies, like floods or earthquakes. Gun owners could each have a 6 chamber bolt action rifle and a similarly low capacity, lower speed handgun. They would have to spend a few months training full time so they can be evaluated for competence and character, and then spend 1 weekend a month training or volunteering in a relevant task.
I live in Idaho and I am voting BLUE.
I'm sick of Idaho making new laws that take away our rights.
That was before Arizona was a state. Just a territory. You are really reaching here for a comparison to make your straw man
Scare tactics brought to you by a grant for "educating" the masses. Make better choices and this topic goes away
if this is a territorial law which Arizona wants to impose, then abolish Arizona State Supreme Court because they are NOT YET STATE, this law is TERRITORIAL
This just in : Supreme court Arizona: A beard shorter than to the neck shall hence forth be banned a shooting competition shall be held to see who draws fastest in the land.
Yes we mean it, we are going back baby! Yeeeha
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America is definitely on the decline. Idiocracy is the new norm. The world is laughing.
My wife just gave birth to our third child. It's amazing how progressive little babies are: They always want to be on the move - they prefer if the stroller is moving. They prefer being held while their mother and father are moving. They thrive on mixing things up and changing their scene.
You are an extremely intelligent and engaging communicator Alex!
This item was very well presented and powerful! 'Great factual story telling!
You rock Gal!
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Does anyone have a count of how many women in Arizona have died from not having abortion available since the Arizona Supreme Court ruling? It’s got to be in the hundreds or even thousands by now. This is horrible, somebody post the body count in the comments.
Abortion is healthcare plain and simple.
Vote 💙
You are insane
Welcome to New Zealand.
@@theashpilez
I bet if it was your little sister your mom or your wife you would be talking out of the other side of your face ..
@@theashpilezthis law is insane, the gop and conservatives are insane.
Is Circumzion healthcare?
Fantastic emotional argument!
What does that have to do with a person killing another person? Thats been around for a long time.
The media is failing so bad😂😂
This is pathetic.......
I’m sure murder was illegal back then as well but we aren’t saying “murder is an archaic law established when only white men could vote”.
Ridiculous how race has to be involved in everything political.
He who does not learn from his mistakes is doomed to repeat them. They don't call them regressives for nothing. They won't be satisfied until we are living back in the dark ages.
"civil war" eh? how fitting
3:31
Since you read out loud all the other laws preceding the law regarding women,
You should have read the last old law regarding women shown on screen!
That was the sound bite!
It's all that heat. They can't help it. Heat stroke is a mother on the brain.
As per the current legislation, males over the age of 18 are legally obligated to register with the Selective Service System of the United States federal government.
And get our privates mutolated (sic).
Yes, the Selective Service exists, and it is still in force for gaining legal rights. The problem is that this is compelled service in a volunteer law enforcement position. The volunteer law enforcement group no longer exists, but if that law is on the books, every male could be fined from $50 to $1000 for simply living in the state because the law is still on the books, and their Supreme Court is crazy enough to force that statute to be real. This is probably never going to happen because their Supreme Court has no bias to make that statute a reality. The problem is that it exposes the bias as the Supreme Court actually did it for the abortion statute. Selective enforcement of law compared to those repealed or amended.
Don't forget the unequal nature of the gentile mutolation laws.
“As per…”
bfd
It’s an old law that’s never enforced.
But they’re enforcing some old abortion law.
That is a bad analogy.🤦♂️
MSNBC the arbiter of all things
Does AZ still punish possession of pot by life imprisonment?
There are state laws on the books that go back to the founding of the states. The vote was a technicalitie in order to move it to a referendum in Six months. I know your base is pretty ignorant, but don't add to the problem.
Florida and Arizona are about to get a wake up call
So true! Can't wait. Women 18 to 40 better take notes.
@@dallasborn8574women? Smh so insensitive
The judges who made this decision, gathered around the state seal and commenced to speak in tongues. This is who made this decision. Folks had better learn to vote.
That New AD is the cringiest, most annoying thing I've seen in a while. Are the majority of MSNBC viewers 75+ years old?! If you don't know how to install an app, I fail to see how that same person would be able to find and open your app, let alone navigate it.
Posse comitatus, as I recall, was a rule of exception: the Federal government can not deploy for action, where civil Authority still prevails under established and prevailing legal remit.
There were more requirements to vote back then besides just be a man. But I suppose yall not interested in informing people of that
Why do they care if the people from India buys liquor? Money is money😅.
Lots of our constitution is 200+ years old and still in force
So according to the Supreme Court abortion isn't a right under the US Constitution so why bring it up
There maybe bad laws passed in AZ in the 1800s , but this one banning the homicide of a child in the womb was not one of them. How evil is it that we now embrace murder of children, yet they had more sense on this one issue in 1864.
No man should be involved in making the decisions concerning abortion.
Same as someone who doesn't know anything telling another person, I know what's best for you
I bet there are many laws that need retiring.
This is why judges and politicians should not be allowed to serve a lifetime term position for their backward ideologies, that's what senior retirement homes or insane asylums are for.
By the way it's high time we give them all time limits, and don't tell me it's impossible, just contact your nearest cellphone provider and they can tell you how they changed your unlimited usage to various slow speeds which depends on the account holders package.
Awesome as this AG's stance may be ... if they have many years to play with, in terms of delayed prosecutions; all they have to do is to wait for a maga AG, no?!
Meanwhile, next door in New Mexico it's still 2024 with full rights for women.
Our clinics are booming.
New Mexico lucked out in that it's population centers were north of the Union/Confederate divide during the Civil War. AZ is pretty much Alabama but without the southern hospitality.
@@bchristian85 good point! I never thought of that before.
We're actually a Union state, and AZ is a Confederate state!
AZ was a territory and had quite different borders. The north half of the territory was Union and the south half was Confederate. And NM clinics aren’t “booming.” They’re overwhelmed.
@@mariag.8242 a distinction without a difference.
Jesus said " I knew you in your mother's womb."
What's next go and dig up every antiquated law out there? what are we doing?
Didn't Alito go back to the *1600s* to overturn Roe?
0:45 50 USD back then are due to inflation 988 USD now ... And if you had to go up to 5 years in prison back then, we can assume as people nowadays live a lot longer that that would also be a lot more today (maybe 15?). Only when putting it into such a context everyone will understand how ridiculous such laws are nowadays.
My sister-in-law had to have an abortion due to an ectopic pregnancy and had two miscarriages, and she wanted to have a baby. These bans will make being pregnant like Russian roulette.
No, ectopic pregnancy is exactly why the life of the mother provision is in these laws. This is just false
Carl Sagan predicted this😮!!!
Welcome to Iranizona.
Too late! Youre too late! I've been calling this for years now. I saw this same things coming since then, how come so many missed it. Go back on my comments
Arizona citizens have the choice to follow these ancient laws or relocate to one of the other 49 states and US territories. Arizona DOESN’T HAVE JURISDICTION over indigenous peoples territories. ⚖️😎🇺🇸
How’s that racist? 🤷🏻 🤦🏻♂️
You fail to mentioned that pro abortion laws unequally affected minorities. Yes history and the mindset of people then were positive in some areas and not good, to say the least, in many other areas. We have the luxury, today, of looking back, and judge that time.
How will people judge our time 70 years from now were there is more and more pressure put on to allow the killing of the unborn as well as the just born.
Devaluation of human live and the human spirit is pervasive and unconscionable.
Imagine a time when the magnificent human embryo becomes so valuable to a community that if any parent at a difficult time in her life can totally rely on that community to take full responsibility for that life.
Politically, corporately and economically the human being has been commodified and has no more unique standing in this world as it should.
It is for this reason that, for example in Canada, assisted suicide can be accomplished for young and old alike.
We in Canada have the highest legal assisted suicide rate in the world.
If we can do it to the most vulnerable, the unborn and the one just born, then we can do it to anyone.
Yes we are a society in decline and have not reached the bottom yet.
It will be disastrous.
There were 1,026,700 abortions in America. The most in over a decade and the first time over 1 million babies were aborted since 2012. There are over 2813 babies aborted daily in the country and I still h want seen a post with the names of the women who have died because they can’t get an abortion. I’ll pray for you all.
How did the Arizona SC justify going years before statehood to find a law to attack women? Has the AZ legislature never taken the time to review and discard laws that were made before statehood or before 1970? Seems strange.
How can I say this, so people of the 1800's and today and even into the future can understand this dumb law... "How STOOPID ARE YOU?"
WOW, there, I asked it.
How about an intelligent response.
Half the people who are anti-abortion can't even understand your reply
Maybe hes "off the reservation" Alex? Ever think of that? Of course you have, no problem using that terminology as you see fit.
I hope those justices realize they are not honorable. They are dishonorable. They will have BLOOD on their hands. ARIZONA, GO BLUE AND COME INTO 2024 NOT 1864!
Why? For doing their jobs? Blame this on the legislature and governor.
womp womp
Well, on a more positive note, at least prostitution was legal in 1864.
That shows they do not know thier history.
It shows you don’t know the facts.
Maybe America needs to return back to Great Britain too. All hail to the 50 colonies! God save the King! King Charles III!🇬🇧🫡
Good idea!...and make President Trump King Trump for Life!
@@Shadowman-1960Thats exactly what Trump is trying for ! Turn coat !
@@judithwake2757 No one cares what a child molester thinks or says except other child molesters.
@@Shadowman-1960king of cell block 45 … conman can pretend he’s Prison’dent 😃
@@judithwake2757pretend billionaire trump conned you. Hopefully one day you’ll see that
Nice job on the research! Thank you
I gave an Indian some liquor, and he complained "what? No Kingfisher?" JOKE
We could take away the right for women to vote or the abortion law which one
All those laws seem legit
Not quite all but the branding is still actively used because people still raise and brand livestock and people still steal them. They might have been amended in potential imprisonment but not much. Also Murder laws came from way before then. I personally think that law was for specially protecting women from an abusive relationship because 1 they recognized it as a life 2 they were settling a Territory that took Months for people to get there sometimes required populations to grow. As a military/Law social and economic necessity.
This woman is lying to you
No
Yes
very interesting ⁉️ now what's going to take place this MAY 2024 this vote treaty